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DEAR HLTV COMMUNITY AND DEVELOPERS OF CS2,
Playing as a 5-stack team can provide a significant advantage over solo queue players, potentially creating an imbalanced gaming experience. To address this issue, it's essential to reconsider the matchmaking system. The system should be adjusted to prevent 5-stack teams from playing against non-stacked players. While this adjustment might slightly increase the wait time for 5-stack teams to find suitable opponents, it ensures a fairer and more enjoyable gaming environment for all players involved.
People said "get friends" and "its just a beta" when I went over it about a week ago :D
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you and OP cry like bby
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huge projection
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you're the one crying about 5 stacks. not sure how that's projection. i don't think you understand englando
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i brought up a prevalent problem in the matchmaking and youre out here responding a week later calling people babies, are you ok?
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thread got bumped. are you ok? do you understand how HLTV works?
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so thats why you go around replying to me over a week later instead of adding something meaningful of your own to the conversation, jesus
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pointing out your crybaby attitude was significant to add to the convo. get some friends. get over yourself too.
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i love how you keep trying to estabilish some kind of superiority over me with your dumbass comments
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i'm no better than anyone else. your perception is just that. your perception. youre still a crybaby btw
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spoken like a true nerd, thank you for that
im apparently crying because i pointed out an issue that is all things considered, pretty important
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you're crying bc you have no friends. end of discussion.
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please stop projecting, you wouldnt be this upset over a week old comment if you had anything meaningful going on in your life
logout bro, thx
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lmao you keep bringing up the week old thing which is the funniest bit like that matters at all. learn what the word projection means before you use it too.
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youre the one crying and replying to me constantly because you have nothing better to do
"the mental process by which people attribute to others what is in their own minds"
i even got you a definition so you could finally stfu, appreciate it
Those are probably mostly people who just don't want Valve to get rid of the advantage they get when playing as a full stack, duo or trio.
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maybe they are doing it on purpose for the beta?
get friends
maybe once CS3 comes out in 15 years, Valve will have fixed it. For now, you have to endure the dickriding Valve fanboy's "arguments" as Valve itself is a very small indie company with little manpower, no way they can fix their game
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5 stack against non 5 stack isnt that bad
what is bad is how the ratings of the 5 stack doesnt match the ratings of the other team
then its just 5 good players vs 5 noobs, then even without cheats its easy for good players (1-2% of world, less than 10k players) to farm easy ratings with 95%+ win rate easily just because the system cant put fair opponents against them
them boys are preparing for the next major
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i remember when calyx was playing 5 stack faceit with his fellow turkish teammates
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kekw
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this is common in many pvp games. even destiny 2 (ultra competitive esport shooter!!!) has pvp matchmaking that puts groups mostly with other groups. csgo is supposed to be the pinnacle of competitive shooters, not really sure how they haven't figured this concept out.
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I am fairly certain there was a post about valve MM actually trying to match 5 stack vs 5 stack back in csgo many years ago. But I think this was not implemented in cs2 for some reason. Faceit still supposedly has this built into their matching algorithm. I'm sure it will be re-added eventually
I believe implementing a stack restriction system would be an effective approach. For instance, with a 2-stack limit, you can have one group of two and three individual players, or two groups of two and one individual player, and so on. Similarly, with a 3-stack limit, you could have one group of three and one group of two, or one group of three and two individual players, and so forth. While this may increase wait times, it helps maintain fair and balanced stacking.
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I had some free time and was playing some solos.
- vertigo, ppl rushing b stairs and dying EVERY SINGLE ROUD HOLY SHIT
- mirage, vs lvl 10 faceit stack
- overpass, 1 guy is a silver even after last years rank reset and another playing OP for the 2nd time ever
- inferno, thankfully this time I got some good teammates but the opponent team was trash. constantly getting knifed
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Yesterday mens took Mirage and our lovely team decided to choose T. I thought they would have some strats or know some smokes, but no, his only strat for first round was to rush tv, then under to finish A, all of this running, so there was already 5 CT waiting on mid...
Same when they choose nuke and decide to go outside with glocks and no smokes to take fights one by one.
The worst thing is there's people this braindead in all the levels
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you shoulve gone mid to under first, back to tv and then a through either palace or pit
oh and its so funny when the team decides to go outside to secret, you ask for their smokes and see 2 mac10, and 2 awps with no utility whatsoever
exactly, playing against 5 stacks suck, i played against one yesterday
while my team had better individuals, teamplay was just much worse and it was really hard to gain advantage over weaker but more coordinated players
This is why i will play faceit for the time being.
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If you play 5 stacks and only get 50% win, you should train a bit more.
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At same elo numbers, is harder to play against 5 stack than play against 5 solos.
I understand the theory of numbers but it's not true in reality, because if you have just 1 player who's mad, shot own players, change positions every time and give no info, all the stats of everybody will tank
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If I play 10 games vs 5stack and lose all the games and play 10 vs soloq and win 10 games, I still have 50% win in total while playing against 5 stack is still harder than against soloq, the 5 stack are on my elo but road to global while the others are on my elo but road to silver.
That's obviously not the real numbers, but for sure I don't have the same % to win against a full stack than against randoms even if all of them are on same numbers at that game, plus the ranks are still f*cked up and sometimes people with 3000 points more than me play really bad while people with 3000 less play like lvl 10.
Maybe on the future it will be that way after everybody have hundreds of wins and loses, but it's not like that rn
In a perfect system sure, but once you get to the high elos you won't meet same elo opponents because there are so few of them so you won't get to the elo that you get 50 % wins on.
playing vs 5-stacks 80% of the games its ridiculous
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No, because they have dynamics, favourite positions, knows lineups and hace good comms.
You have to play with randoms that half of them cries because noone give info, when they never used the mic before or they keep changing positions depending if they have money to buy awp or not, without counting when you say rush B, 4 mens get there while the bomb guy decided to die in the other side of the map
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Again, it doesn't matter if you all have the same rating
I'm not saying 5 stacking doesn't boost rating, it does, but if all 10 players have 15k rating then the match is balanced.
The team with 5 soloq players that are 15k will have better aim/movement, while the 5 stack with 15k rating will have more coordination, but worse aim (10~12k level). Neither the aim nor the coordination will make a difference in the chance of winning, that's why everyone is 15k. Now it's your job to outaim the less skilled players of the 5 stack. If you can't, skill issue.
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And why you think players in a stack must be (much) worse individually? I know playing in a stack boosts your rating, but just because you are playing in a stack doesn't mean your mechanics must suck. Just being a little bit worse isn't enough to compensate for the huge advantage they get from being in a stack, getting flash support, knowing where the enemy is because of info etc.
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I mean, you're arguing against yourself.
"isn't enough to compensate for the huge advantage they get from being in a stack, getting flash support, knowing where the enemy is because of info etc".
If they have all that and still have the same rating as you, a SoloQ player, then the only logical explanation is that their aim/movement/mechanics are worse. Git gud and outaim them.
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Or, you know, they haven't played alone enough to get higher rating? If a guy only plays in a stack every game it doesn't matter how good he is, he will get just as much rating as his friends in that stack because the rating system doesn't take into consideration your performances. Rarely a stack consists of 5 equally good players even if their ratings are the same. For example just recently I had a game against a full stack where 2 players both had basically the same rating (15 999 and 15 848) while the other was a 2,4k Faceit elo player with mediocre stats and other a 3,2k elo player with great stats. Same rating, but completely on a different league in terms of individual skills.
Also if enemy has 5 players in a stack it doesn't mean they have played all their games in a stack so your point of them being worse because they boosted their rating by playing in a stack doesn't work then too. A guy can get 15k rating soloq and then play a game in a stack and he obviously isn't suddenly a worse individual player.
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1st paragraph: Again, irrelevant. The stack is 15k, you're 15k, so the match is balanced. If that's all they managed to get while 5-stacking then their lobby, OVERALL (AVERAGE), is 15k, even if some players are better or worse.
"A guy can get 15k rating soloq and then play a game in a stack".
Correct, this is the only instance where this is a problem. But this is rare and he won't last in his current elo, he'll move up and be hardstuck somewhere else, maybe 17k. Maybe do the same and find some people to play with and stop crying? Ever thought about that?
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Oh so now we are talking about facing players who can't get any higher? Ofc it's different if you face a stack that are lets say 10k rating players who boosted their rating to 15k by playing in a stack. Most of the time you face a stack it's not when the stack is at their peak rating they can get. If we now take 5 random players that are 15k rating against 5 players that are in a stack the stack will most likely win. Only way they aren't any more likely to win is if the stack already got to the peak they can get to.
Not everyone wants to play with others, ever thought about that?
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"Most of the time you face a stack it's not when the stack is at their peak rating they can get".
You can get over 22.000 after 10 wins...What's your rating? If it's around 15k then you're just making excuses, a 5 stack around this range is just bad. A friend of mine only 5 stacks and is 14.000 with a 53% winrate, you're overestimating how much 5 stacks win.
"Not everyone wants to play with others, ever thought about that?"
Okay? And some people do, ever thought about that? kkkkkkk. Go play SC2 then or solo Warzone.
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What I mean is you are talking about a ideal situation where 1. Everyone on the server has same rating, 2. The enemy stack is as high as they can get (they are not on their way to high rating and rather stuck in their current rating getting 50/50 wins and losses) and 3. The players on your team are all also truly 15k rating players (for example one can get 15k rating by just being lucky with teams for those 10 first wins or unlucky by actually being a better player but just getting unwinnable games). In reality it's not as straight forward.
Ok so your friend probably plays with players who are (and he himself is also) a worse player and they simply aren't good enough to get better and higher win%. I'm not saying if you play in a stack it doesn't matter how good you are. Also if you play in NA/SA (or anywhere but EU) the experience is different. In reality when you go to a game the MM tries to make so the average rating of each team is as close together as possible, but if it's 5 randoms vs a full stack the stack has the advantage ESPECIALLY in EU when everyone doesn't speak the same language so the comms are often way worse. In for example Brazil it's different when everyone has the same mother language so there is less advantage in being in a stack.
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They are too bad? 0mega isn't completely wrong in that if you only play in a stack, but you can't get any higher in rating, it just means you reached the max you can with the current skills as a team. I'd say if you are a stack of lets say 10k rating players in soloq, together you'll probably pretty comfortably get to 15k rating, but getting higher requires the players in the stack to become better.
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Well at least from my experience most of the time you meet a stack they aren't at their peak yet so it's not like bunch of 10k rating players that got to 15k rating by playing as a stack and that's as high as they'll get and rather a bunch of 15k rating players that are now playing in a stack and will get to however high they will.
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I'm just pointing out that there is a big advantage for playing in a stack while you guys seem to disagree with that
just met germen 5 stack in global mm. got trashed on nuke 7-16. fuck them bots using legit strats in fckin mm
skill issue.
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I prefer playing against stacks, because then there at least there is some rhime and reason how they play. Playing against randoms can be harder, because they do nonsensical things. And for me in particular, it causes confusion and losing focus on game, because I'm distracted by trying to make sense out of what is happening.
+1, you might only win against a 5 stack if your random team communicate; which seldomly happens.
I've played 5 matches today, all of them against 5 stacks - it's crazy how that happens. Only won one of them when my teammates used their mics.
Communication is 50% of this game, it's stupid to put a team of 5 stacks that are guaranteed to tick this requirement (that have also probably played together and know how each others play), against some randoms that might or might not use mics.
I always cried about this on faceit and i will continue to cry about this when it happens in MM. Solo player should never face 5 stacks. NEVER.
i agree
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We’re a 5 stack, almost always play against other 5 stacks
why are people suddenly crying about 5 stacks now? people just use it as an excuse to why their rating is so low it seems. csgo never had it's own que for 5 stacks and neither did faceit
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Because 1. now it feels there is a reason to play because you gain rating (so the games matter more -> annoying to lose when there are consequences)
2. There are at least from my experience way more stacks than there were in csgo mm
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once you get up in rating, people will start communicating decently even if you are soloq. and faceit also has elo, but people never complained this much.
Yeah, for me it's almost always like this: I play against a non-stack = very easy win, I play against a stack = very close win, tie or lose. So far out of 9 losses and 3 ties 8 were against a full stack. I got 18 wins.
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Well, if you playing competitive 5x5 game solo, then probably you do something wrong :)
Just do what #57 tells: you play game, find decent teammate, add him and play together. If he's toxic - delete, forget and move on. Dont worry about adding, I think a lot players wanna play with good m8s, just be that good m8!
As a solo player I can confirm imagine getting double peeked/triple peeked every round and not being able to do anything. It's not even the multiple peeks but the perfect flashes and utility usage.
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> it’s fine as long as everyone wants to play together.
I had only one time in the past 2 years when my soloq team knew the map and we played as an actual team. that was beautiful
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but if you want teamplay and your teammates don’t even have a mic then it’s not really fair
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it should be another league as well
Same thing happened in CSGO for years.
There was a guy on HLTV (10 yeared now) who made threads about CSGO matchmaking, provided screenshots etc every 4 months or something like that.
I remember once he had 88/100 games against 5 stack. Literally 88%...
What surprise me, Valve doesn't do anything to force 5 premade to play against 5 premade. Its few lines of code and that would fix the problem. 2 hours of coding and testing, thats it
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you cant reach 25k points in premier mode if you dont have atleast 2 more friends queing with you. you are just leaving the game to chance.
i think the best solution for global leaderboard would be to remove individual rankings and elo, and add team rankings or smth. where you register a team to play premier mm.
and for individual rankings keep the old silver1 to global elite rankings, as a separate game mode.
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so the problem is boosting?
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Your argument starts with the assumption that the 5 stack is actually good which is often not the case.
Putting 5 stacks against any stack is totally fine. 5 stacks against 5 random I don't think is a good idea.
I enjoy shitting on 5stacks as a soloQ, pls dont do this volvo
I have no idea why they cant pair similar stacks against each other. In valorant, 5 stacks can only play against 5 stacks, if there is a trio and 2 solo, the opponent team has a trio and 2 solos, very rarely there's a trio and duo but still. You can count the premades are mirrored in most cases in valorant. I dont know why they cant do that. You can instantly tell if you're playing against a pre-made or not and in most cases, 5 solos get put against 5 stacks due to non-availability, then you're just fucked.
what kind of bs is this? it feels amazing to destroy a 5-stack with 5 randoms. are you kidding?
CS before match making was introduced or any sort of faceit type system, you had have 5 friends or a team to play 5v5, CS has always been best experienced playing with 5 people you know, there was no such thing as solo queuing.
I don't really understand why people want to solo queue in the first place , however hopefully when the game goes live they match make it in a way where yoi only play with solo queues.
I played casual against a 7 stack on mirage and every round I got flashed and smoked on mirage B, kill one and get traded instantly. Then they would shit talk. Funny thing is they still lost cuz aim is shit. Force pre-mades to queue against pre-mades, problem solved. You literally can’t play against coordinated util, might as well take hands off keyboard.
Make sure you vote for Winston next month okay Kiwibro
Man you are not playing against Ence stop crying
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