Forum thread: Heroic at the End

TL;DR Heroic could have been 2x time major winners and maybe even get more S-tier events, but they choked time and time again, proving themselves as Danish Number Two.

2023-09-09 23:25

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If they had someone like Magisk instead of TeSes, they could have been already 2x Major winners. Rio and Paris. No doubt

2023-09-09 23:26

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''If's'' are useless, you can pretty much say anything like this. ''What if Gambit haven't disappeared against NaVi in Stockholm?'' Well then they would probably be major winners. ''What if the Berlin Major was before the player break?'' well then liquid would be major winners.

2023-09-09 23:28

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Its not something hard to understand. Its in the numbers and common logic. You aint winning Major without experienced star player. TeSes is supposedly star player by his roles, yet his skill ceiling is probably same as someone like dycha

2023-09-09 23:32

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Heroic are always one move away. They could have been major finalists in Stockholm and Antwerp if it wasn't for refrezh. Now it's teses. Maybe there is a dane who can fix their problem ( not someone named magisk who is unavailable), but I doubt it will launch heroic into major winner status.

2023-09-09 23:34

2023-09-09 23:56

nah they need a real awper, only time cadian shows any major prowess with it is in the clutches, which i think is more that he is good in the clutch and knows what he has to do in order to give himself a chance, i think another awper and moving cadian to just igling would give them greater chances of winning matches, their teamplay wouldn't have to be as perfect as they would have more individuals to bail them out if shit hits the fan

2023-09-09 23:45

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Cadian as a rifler would probably be 0.9

2023-09-09 23:48

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pretty generous considering he averages around .35 kpr with awp

2023-09-09 23:55

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0.6?

2023-09-09 23:56

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:D hooxi averages .8-.85, do we think cadian is better?

2023-09-09 23:58

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Question is what hooxi could do with the awp and freedom of Cadian :D

2023-09-10 00:02

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Good question, except that i've seen monesy dropping him an awp and playing famas they lost the map XD

2023-09-10 00:06

>heroic are done CS2 literally upcoming next months with whole new meta and competetive scene with probably reworked economy Calm down with that lost game in dead esports dyscpline

2023-09-09 23:27

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Their mental is fucked, that's what is done. Cadian made a lot of headlines with taking out their problems in public. It has always been shaky in big games, heroic are choking in big games almost every time. It's not even stavn or cadian, it's the entire 5-men roster.

2023-09-09 23:27

The roster is done with a new game coming in, with one of the youngest cores in the world? I just think it's a dip in form just like it happened to multiple teams. They will probably be back fighting for trophies in the future if they fix this choking mentality.

2023-09-09 23:32

Teses went from being the upcoming 2nd star alongside Stavn to being just your average player. Jabbi either being an absolute unit or borderline afk. Cadian just absolutely choking under pressure, missing shots he has no reason to and taking duels he doesn't need to, he's always just trying to be the flashy player instead of the safe awper when he doesn't have the consistency for it, and by taking these flashy plays is he putting his team in disadvantageous positions even if he survives. Heroic is entirely a hype/go with the flow team. If they dominate they dominate hard, but when they're slumping they struggle against anyone. The biggest difference in them compared to for example Vitality is just how insanely big their gap in best/worst performance is.

2023-09-09 23:35

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And that's why they are destined to fail. Their flow depends on morale. Morale good = we win easily. Morale bad = we lose 16-7. Now what does the Rio Grand final, Paris semis and Katowice Map 4 have in common? There the entire roster tilted and went afk :))

2023-09-09 23:36

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Jabbi, Teses, Sjuush and Stavn all have superstar potential (not zywoo level, but dupreeh/magisk level). But the only one consistently around there is Stavn, and even that is barely. I don't want to call them all out before I see them under a different IGL, I feel like atleast 50% of the blame does lay in Cadian, and not just for his mediocre awping but also in his IGLing. Cadian is too verbal for a team of "kids"(yes I'm using kid as 20-25 now), he is the one controlling their mood, a calmer IGL and I could see a lot of change, even with worse overall strats. It is a shame cause Cadian is a good player, but he's just too much.. Cadian?

2023-09-09 23:44

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Also maybe, but I feel like he is the backbone for all of them in terms of stress. Maybe it will all end up like zeus and navi, where the igl goes somewhere else and outperforms his previous team

2023-09-09 23:50

Imo in this meta it is a liability to have an igl who is also awp It isn't 2016 anymore, every detail counts to reach to top. The ceiling is too low with an igl awper skill wise

2023-09-09 23:50

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Xizt to either be kicked or moved to analysist ( way too quiet in my opinion). Move cadian to coach, but I have no idea who could IGL

2023-09-09 23:56

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Yeah it could be a first step

2023-09-09 23:53

Just break up the roster or get Gla1ve and new AWP

2023-09-09 23:53

They are still ahead of Astralis and the best danish team Lol danish teams are just dead and have to realise Denmark dont have enough good players and start go international. They should got Boros when they could. They need to get some other upcoming fragger to replace Jabbi, he is just way to inconsistent, same with Tesses. maybe try get Xertion, we already seen by now how insane Isrealian players can be from Flamez, Sphinx and Nertz and he is the next upcoming Isrelian superstar if he gets on a more experienced team like Heroic he could do wonders.

2023-09-10 00:01