Forum thread: 2023 roster moves ranked

Staying together is no roster move .

2023-09-14 23:34

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that's why I put quotation marks around >>move<< mr pradesh

2023-09-14 23:39

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still doesnt makes sense tho

2023-09-15 17:51

Everything is fine apart from Liquid moves. Can't wait for them not to make the major

2023-09-14 23:34

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as a liquid fan since 2015 yes please that would be hilarous

2023-09-15 18:10

I don't think Liquid was making moves, they were just forced to pick up 2 players and see how it went. I won't be surprised when your prediction comes true.

2023-09-15 18:11

how is NAVI not bottom looool im sorry but iM just kinda sucks for a supposed breakout star

2023-09-14 23:35

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because furia has been losing to tier 45 before epl hltv.org/team/8297/furia#tab-matchesBox zero tier 1 teams beaten so far even with their epl groups run

2023-09-14 23:40

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yeah but furia is its own tier loool they are beyond gone

2023-09-15 00:24

they barely even played any tier 1 teams lol and still, 00nation, movistar, sprout, mongolz are all decent tier 2 teams with capable and experienced players, wdym tier 45 lol, don't act like FalleN was supposed to make Furia top 3 or something

2023-09-15 17:57

tbf iM went from like complete star roles to more of a supportive element in navi, with players of a higher caliber, plus its only been a couple months. I would say that they need atleast 6 months together before there could be any meaningful criticism that should be dispatched their way.

2023-09-14 23:41

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nah iM sucky sucks too much money spent

2023-09-15 00:25

i'd put heroic lower tbh, they looked dismal, maybe even under navi, and put faze a bit higher, but overall a pretty good list

2023-09-14 23:36

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yes but heroic still had an alright cologne and a decent g8 run even though they had piss easy brackets on both occasions

2023-09-14 23:41

How is C9 is 3 lmao

2023-09-14 23:42

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because everyone below them is worse

2023-09-14 23:44

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C9 described as goat move and they are yet to touch levels of heroic vita ence and g2 They are literally on same level as NAVI

2023-09-14 23:57

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I'm not sure if you read #11

2023-09-15 15:06

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"imo, relative to their expectations: " U say that and put c9 over navi and Astralis

2023-09-15 15:25

10. Liquid

2023-09-14 23:43

+nertz top 1 or top 2 at least

2023-09-15 00:02

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I think he means the player break changes

2023-09-15 00:05

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that makes sense now

2023-09-15 00:08

Liquid is ten bro. They got rid of Elige who was mid and replaced him with Patsi who is bad. Naf fell off in his roles Yekindar is horrible and cant call Rainwaker is okay but not ready for tier 1 Osee is mid for an awper The moves themselves? The team overall is worse, rainwaker is similar individually to Nitro, Patsi is so much worse than Elige, Yekindar cant call and also made it so he cant frag. This team is bad.

2023-09-15 00:11

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it's hard for me to rank these and have a straight face because so many of these failed miserably to the point where I have to put some teams way too high someone who didn't watch CS will think that liquid is doing good or especially c9 based on this list, while the reality is that they're simply not doing worse than the teams below

2023-09-15 15:09

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navi got top 8 in cologne. Liquid? Navi hasnt been that great but they've had decent performances, qualified for spring final, top 8 cologne. Liquid won two bo3's and has gotten locked out in all other matches

2023-09-15 16:43

Liquid, C9, and NaVi are literally bottom three lmao.

2023-09-15 00:12

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good luck making a logical argument as to why teams like heroic (supposed world #1) are shitting the bed relative to their own expectations and how that's better than a liquid lineup that's supposed to be mid and is mid c9 isn't good but they're not worse than the teams below them

2023-09-15 15:08

The most excessive rebuilds have had the hardest time to rise in level, no surprises here.

2023-09-15 17:49

1. Vitality +flameZ 2. Heroic staying together (other than +device, I dont see any upgrade) 3. G2 staying together (there is not any good IGL for them) 4. Cloud9 +electroNic +Perfecto (nice players, but electronic as IGL is meh) 5. NAVI +iM, +jL, +Aleksib (yeah yeah, there is no way they can replace Perfecto and electronic, but if changes were inevitable, I think that this were really good moves) 6. FaZe staying together (They are not bad team, but they missed timing to get good players) 7. MOUZ (siuhy is really good signing) 8. fnatic (I think firepower and player wise they are not worse than previous fnatic, but at least Mezii can be unlocked with IGL in the team) 8. NiP +hampus (+hampus -aleksib is not really good or bad move, its just that combination of players in the team is dogshit) 9. Astralis +b0RUP, +Staehr (I liked Altekz, but this combination of players makes more sense) 10. Liquid +Rainwalker, +Patsi (Nothing against this players, but with Yekindar IGLing, I dont see any future) 11. FURIA +chelo +FalleN (OK Fallen can be fine, maybe, but while having old voices arT and maybe even coach in the team, I dont he can really do what he wants. And +chelo is joke for me)

2023-09-15 15:20

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some people have said +depreeh for heroic, for the experience, especialy in final lol, so i was like, yeah why not tbh

2023-09-15 17:25

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For experience maybe, but people overate him because he was good like 2 events.

2023-09-15 17:36

9INE +hades

2023-09-15 15:30

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-wrong thread lol

2023-09-15 17:24

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what?

2023-09-15 17:46

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rewrite bc my previous answer was about something else ansd you can't delete , don't pay attention bro

2023-09-15 17:50

C9 proved nothing yet for you to rank them that high Ence not being in that list is crazy

2023-09-15 15:32

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and bottom 3 teams all having won an event this year being below the likes of c9 and furia is crazy to me lmao

2023-09-15 17:27

1. Cloud9 +electroNic +Perfecto 2. Heroic staying together 3. Astralis +b0RUP, +Staehr 4. Vitality +flameZ (they were just as good with dupreeh) 5. G2 staying together 6. NAVI +iM, +jL, +Aleksib 7. FaZe staying together 8. Liquid +Rainwalker, +Patsi 9. NiP +hampus 10. FURIA +chelo +FalleN

2023-09-15 16:59

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Very good but C9 should be lower & Vita higher

2023-09-15 18:35

The bottom 3 teams you mentioned have all won events this year? lmao nice grading

2023-09-15 17:27

compared to expectations: 1.vitality 2.astralis 3.furia 4.navi 5.g2 6.heroic 7.nip 8.faze 9.liquid 10.cloud9

2023-09-15 17:37

Your ranking is trash. You have 0 iq.

2023-09-15 17:39

ENCE -valde + nertZ

2023-09-15 17:52

I don't really care about the remaining 9, but Liquid is definitely the worst out of the ones you mentioned. Even Furia has greater potential with Fallen than Liquid will ever have with this clown fiesta roster.

2023-09-15 17:58

dude, your list only has half of every respective move, you fucking fish frog

2023-09-15 18:07