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is it possible? this year
he is in god form and still has 3 more months
zywoo has better stats + major mvp but is semi awp abuser
maybe cs2 will rob him and steal all his skill?
thoughts?
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No way. There are only 3 chances (4 if G2 qualify for Blast Fall through showdown) for G2 and NiKo to do this miracle. ZywOo is confirmed n1 and will remain such with 99% certainty till the end of the year.
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+1 and on top of that it's very likely that Vitality will have better results than G2 in the last quarter
NiKo would have to put up 1.6+ rating to have a chance across the last couple of months
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Exactly
+2, though I've also stated this many times.
The gap can certainly become closer but ZywOo already has way too big of a lead, actually more so than the s1mple lead in 2022 with ZywOo last year, so it's even more unlikely.
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im talking about recent times, not 10 years ago
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Meta wasn't awp doninant when they played, also they both had a decent % of kills on an awp.
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The only thing different was the crouch speed movement after you shoot. Regardless the meta was centered around riflers.
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I can't explain it but it's pretty obvious considering almost all top 10 teams have an awper as their sole star player. The only exeptions are FaZe, heroic and mouz. Also the fact that the top 1 position has been gatekeeped by an awper since 2018. And not only top 1, even looking at top 5 positions each year since 2017 you will see mostly awpers with an exeption of NiKo that apears as a rifler on a consistant basis.
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Flag you have no idea what you're talking about
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Why is it so weird that we disagree on this take, but I have heard plenty of casters and analysts talk about this lol
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I didn't even read what you said
not all analysts and caster takes are correct, it was bad take that became rly trendy. If u asked coaches they would give a whole different reasoning as to why awp is so vital in meta. They can go for some picks without taking as big of a risk, and awp can be very good anchor on some bombsites, but it has nothing to do with overall stats and how well they can perform. The advantages the AWP role has in meta is the same as a teams star rifler in terms of potential for stats/impact. Idk if i explained it well but oh well
not really true at all. look at rankings from every year 2018+ and a lot of top 10 teams didnt have awpers as their sole star or hard carry. reason awpers made up a lot of the top 3-5 since then is because we've have goat contenders like s1mple, device, and zywoo. the only other awper to make the top 5 in those years is sh1ro. besides those players, the rest of the top 10 have pretty much been all riflers. also, over the years hltv have changed their player ranking criteria to be less team achievement focused
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But the meta is more awp centered and it has been for years. It's not something I made up, it has been talked about so much to the point "awp abusing" is now a term. Why is everyone dissagreeing ?
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theres a lot more saving in the meta nowadays, and the awp is being saved a lot because its the most expensive meta gun. id say this the main idea of the meta being more "awp centered", aka awpers get to use the gun more now. but there are situations where awping is easier and situations where its harder. not saying these situations are 50/50, but "awp abuser" is pretty much a meme. the gun was objectively better at the beginning of csgo than it is now.
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Awp was way better before 2018.
Sk Gaming the best team of 2016-17 ran 2 awps on almost every map
fnatic the second best team of all time had JW on awp and flusha/olof 2nd awped on 4/7 maps in the pool
envy 2015 had kennYS and happy/kio awped sometimes depending on the map
etc etc etc
how many teams double awp now? Its very rare and only when they pick up 2 by accident, back in the old days 2 awps was ALWAYS a thing.
Just because the best players are awpers doesnt mean awps are more OP now.
EDIT: fuck everyone being toxic to you though, yes you are wrong but that doesnt mean they need to be dicks about it.
+1 hahahahaha
+111111
cold 6 years ago, not 10
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Rating 1.0, even with awp being op af, which means the rating was more fair
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Rating 1.0 was more awper-friendly than rating 2.0 because it was closer to K/D
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Now you have KAST that's the same but rewarding them two times.
olof was main awp in LGB, prior joining fntc and 2nd awp on fntc
coldzera was 2nd awp
nt tho
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olof 2015: 12% kills with awp
coldzera 2016-2017: 15%
nt tho
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zywoo 2023 : 32%
main awp 32%, 2ndary awp 12/15%
much a fucking awp abuser, such wow
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awp abuser starts at 50, 12/15 is nothing
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there is only 1 person that uses it over 50% for the last couple of years
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shiro, device, junior,afro,monesy, jame,headtrick in 2023
cadian and broky very close 49
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broky has 49
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Who on Earth invented that rule?
AWP abuse doesn't exist and it never will.
who tf is 2 this year then?
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probably s1mple again but i can see niko getting it
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0% chance s0mple gets top 2. Top 5 if hes lucky
Do literally nothing alm year, get #2 hltv anyways for being p1mple
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i think its gonna be niko, he's been crazy this year but sadly another awp abuser will be #1
You can't be serious, friend.
don't forget niko tried awp was bad with it
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he wasnt bad with it. just no one can be as good as in on the rifle so the team needed him back to rifle.
Wrong on both accounts.
Nice job.
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no
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The argument "he does it with a rifle" is just stupid
are you actually that dense?
being an awper still takes skill, nowhere did he say it's an easy role, by your logic every silver, even you, could go and play for Vitality if you knew the correct AWP angles
doing what NiKo does with rifle is harder than what ZywOo does with the awp
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Zywoo has proven time and time again he's good with the rifle (This year he's played 65-35%).
We already know what happened when Niko had to be the AWP because G2 benched KennyS...
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But unless the person playing the awp is a total moron they will just play an angle that allows them to get away. With an awp you can essentially play angles that make you almost immortal and still get easy kills, you cant do that with a rifle.
Its not a full second, also given you have an entire target to aim for its much easier. With an awp you can basically do everything wrong and still have and easy shot and a get out of jail free card. With a rifle far more game sense and mechanical skill is required. With an AWP if you just play passive angles on a decent team you will farm kills and the rest of the team will take up the slack.
Also with a rifle when you spray given how inaccuracy builds you have a higher and higher chance of missing. With an AWP all you have to do is make sure not to hit the legs and that is it.
Also with an AWP you don't need to learn to tap or spray, you dont even really need to know how to counter strafe as well as you do with a rifle, you don't need to learn the fine detail of how weapons work because the AWP is simple and noob friendly. When I first started playing CS I couldn't rifle, but because I had played loads of other FPS games my one shot accuracy was decent and my understanding of angles was ok so I could AWP.
Before I started playing Faceit I got to GE basically just awping. I actually declined in rank for a while because I wanted to start rifling. It took me about 4-6 months to get back to my previous rank. A great rifler with minimal extra practice can become and elite awper and awper will not be able to transition to a rifle in the same manner.
Two of the greatest awpers of all time s1mple and Device were both riflers at one point.
To give you an example Device was a rifler. KennyS was always an awper, Device and KennyS are the same age. One is still putting up great numbers, one isn't even in a team. You had Olof back in the day, the man was the best rifler in the world and one of the best secondary awpers in the world. You had JW who was a good awper but couldnt really rifle, you see it everywhere. Riflers have to be the mechanically superior players as their weapons demand it.
I know he was extremely young but this is the only year he rifled more than awped.
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start..
That year he was 16, this is Niko when he was 16.
hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/3741/niko?..
Both only rifling. Extremely small sample sizes but it gives you some idea.
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doesn't matter what I know or don't know, Zywoo is sealed for the 1st ranked player by tourney stats whether he plays by his left foot or his right thumb with an awp or with a rifle sometimes, the results say it all. He's gonna be 1st this year regardless how you want it to turn out other wise.
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Well said, i awp abused all the way up to global as well. Its free kills, people just peek into you thinking they will outaim an awp lol.
Then i decided to get good with the deagle and deranked to dmg.
Awp is the easiest weapon, unless you play vs top 20 teams. Then you need to be exceptionally good.
Teams play around the awp, bait for the awp, the awp clutches. Its no coincidence every good team has a good awp.
Go watch when heroic and faze win, broki and cadian do put numbers. Now broki is ass and guess what faze is ass.
People on this site are blind or worse.
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This is Zywoo on maps where he mostly used rifles vs Niko who only rifles.
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/3741/niko?startDa..
Very similar rating and Zywoo was still awping on all those maps, just less than the other maps. So you can see when you take his awp away vs top level teams his rating drops.
So imagine what happens when you take Zywoos AWP away totally.
Niko is doing just as much as Zywoo but with an inferior weapon, case closed. Take away his and he becomes a standard top 5-20 player with a rating between 1.10 and 1.16.
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ouch xd
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1.26
vs top 5 opponents
(18 maps)
1.28
vs top 10 opponents
(24 maps)
1.34
vs top 20 opponents
(36 maps)
1.35
vs top 30 opponents
(43 maps)
1.37
vs top 50 opponents
(52 maps)
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hltv.org/stats/players/3741/niko?startDa..
choko as an awper
why put ranking filter? , its not accurate , it just account the game zywoo played when his team was in top 5 against all opponents , those are the real ratings imgur.com/a/XAO19oX
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No its his rating vs top 5 teams. It's a very simple stat.
hltv.org/stats/players/matches/3741/niko..
See, all top 5 teams. Or top 5 at some point this year.
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No it literally is vs top 5 teams.
hltv.org/stats/players/matches/11893/zyw..
Those are all top 5 teams from parts of this year. It's a very basic stat sorry you cant understand it.
Even hooxi out awps niko
that's why zywoo is by far the highest rated T side player oh wait
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yup my post was badly phrased i agreed with that
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2. uhhhh...
3. heroic
After Cologne, and more so after Gamers8, Zywoo confirmed his no1 of this year. Nothing can change that anymore.
No...
No way. Zywoo wins it 100%
zywoo is the better man in every single way, even with the rifle he is much better
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+1
in all fairness, if zywoo doesnt win top 1 hltv this year its gonna feel a little bit robbed, from the start until now he has been on the talks of being the best player in the world, he's been top 3 rating in every event from the start of 2023, he won 3 mvps including a major, i think he has this year best playoffs rating, did some pretty popular plays, i think that clutch against g2 might be the best clutch of the year
but to be fair with niko too, if he doesnt get top 2 or at least top 3 its gonna feel like its robbed too, the best rifler this year no one denies that, won a cologne mvp and won kato, insane stats in pretty much all events etc
no
also nice excuse
> but is semi awp abuser
NiKo wouldnt even be top 2 if he didnt farm ecos
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ok show me those numbers....
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hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start..
As soon as he plays real top teams and isn't maining the awp his numbers drop. And even on these stats basically half his kills are awp kills.
This is Niko and Zywoo on the same maps vs the same teams one is hybrid AWP one is main rifle.
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/3741/niko?startDa..
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so he has 1.21 vs top5 as a rifler which is exactly what niko has...? ok nice selfrekt that "primary awper" has same stats with rifles as the "goat rifler" lmao...
also funny that you only nit picked stats from certain maps but completely ignored for example t-side rating where zywoo barely uses awp and he has the best stats vs top5 or pistol rounds that has literally NOTHING to do with awp where he is BY FAAAAAAAAAR the best rated player...
and you dont even have the exact stats with rifles anyway so your claim isnt valid at all and you just made that 1.1x range out of your a**...
zywoo will be 1st this year and rightfully so
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No, his total kills in that stat was 285, 87 of them were with the AWP, it was still he second most used weapon, so he was still awping just less. So take away the AWP totally and his rating will decline more.
I picked certain maps because those are the maps where he AWPs less. But the fact when he goes from dedicated AWP at like 1.3x to hybrid at low 1.2s. If he goes dedicated rifle he will dip more.
Niko in this setting where Zywoo awps a little less Niko has a higher rating, more impact, a higher ADR and higher KPR.
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"So take away the AWP totally and his rating will decline more."
first of all this is speculation since you just dont have the exact numbers and secondly zywoo actually kinda struggles with awp lately and he plays better with rifles(not saying that he is better rifler in general but lately he kinda is)...
btw im not arguing about him being better rifler than awper or that he is better rifler than niko BUT he would still be easily top3 player even with rifles which you even proved with your links...
anyway noone can convince me that niko deserves top1 this year more just bcs he is only rifler(btw we saw his attempt to abuse awp and it didnt go rly well...just saying)
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Its really not the less he awps the lower his rating is. It's plain to see.
This is nonsense hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start..
Its still by far his most used weapon.
No he would not be a top 3 rifler. Given that just from the AWP going from he most used to his second most used gun he went from a 1.3x rating to a low 1.2, imagine if he didnt AWP. Low 1.1x here we come.
For a start with Niko AWP he does it rarely. Zywoo has to rifle because you cant always have the AWP. If you gave Niko some time to become a main AWPer he'd have little issues. But he peels open bombsites by himself with a rifle, Zywoo cant do that to the same degree. He is a far more passive player who utilises the AWP on that manner.
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yes he would be and you literally proved it yourself...btw i love how you just throw random 1.x here and there without any real evidence
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but statistics don't favour niko and if zywoo wins this epl one its gg especially if iem sydney also would be won then there s road open for Grand Slam.
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Ill state this again. Zywoo is awping, that right away gives you an advantage. An awper should be carrying everything. Niko is doing it in a far more aggressive manner with a rifle. He is playing a much harder game than Zywoo is. A 1.15 rating with a rifle is equivalent to a 1.25-1.3 with an AWP.
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It's not about equivalent nor anything like that, its about statistics and MVP's so far ZywOo edges out, there are no comparison rifle or not. There's a reason NiKo didn't take 3rd place in 2021 despite having even bigger stats, NiKo needs EPL and Sydney + Blast MVP if he wants to take zywoo Top 1 away to kill the Major MVP 2 tourneys and 1 for G8 MVP he didn't get.
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It does matter. Niko never really AWP consistently so its not really a comparison however Zywoo does have to rifle when he doesnt have an AWP and it just so happen that on the 3 maps he rifles more than AWP he does worse vs top teams. He goes from a 1.3 rating to a low 1.2, he dips below Niko.
I will add on these maps he is still awping just not as much. So he still benefits a little from the stat boost of being a consistent main awper.
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"I would say its very close if not in favour of Niko"
this is pure delusion...and btw there is literally no race at all...
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Sure if you dont understand the difference between playing a an aggressive rifler and passive awper. One is easy and one isnt.
Go on Faceit now vs average player and try and play like Niko, youll end the game 5-25, and thats not insulting you, the same would happen to 99.9% of players, he just plays a very hard game. Zywoo doesnt.
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first of all we are talking about the best players, not the best riflers. secondly what kind of games do you even watch? zywoo is nowhere near passive awper lmao...
you can think what ever you want but there is literally 0% chance that niko can be 1st in hltv top20 if you like it or not
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Zywoo is passive compared other awpers and aggressive riflers. He is almost never in first. And he is very often alive last.
The HLTV top 20 wont put him first as its biased on favour of main awpers. Because its statistically flawed, buy anyone with a brain knows Niko is a far better player.
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hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
yea you are either drunk, trolling or completely deluded...
yea you are completely wrong in literally everything you say but then you mention brain LMAO
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Opening kills don't mean aggression even on T side. They arent the same as entries, Zywoo is getting those from standard awping angles that arent aggressive. Niko is getting those openings with a rifle, that takes far more aggression.
Device was never an aggressive awper hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
He still had a high opening kill rating. Any decent awper will get the majority of the teams opening kills.
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"Opening kills don't mean aggression even on T side"
then show me your stat...? oh you cant? nice so probably your deluded eye test...
"Zywoo is getting those from standard awping angles that arent aggressive"
zywoo barely plays with awp on t-side but i would expect that objective expert like yourself knows that...
again, literally 0 evidence, just your absolutely biased point of view favouring niko over and over and over agian...well played
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Well the site only collect certain stats. What really needs to be added are entries, open kills in site takes. Or opening kills that lead to sites being taken. Those are stats that are important, an opening kill from T side could literally be you kill someone rushing top mid on Mirage who has USP. Or you hold con and get a kill on a peaking CT.
It is a pretty nebulous stat, we know s1mple is aggressive we know Device isnt yet device scores almost as high as s1mple of opening kills.
The only evidence I need is watching almost every Vitality game.
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so if we dont have those stats how can you claim that he isnt agro? or that he doesnt go for entries? or that his stats with rifles are actually worse...?
yea thanks for proving that you are just biased once again...
btw everyone, literally EVERYONE who actually watch games know that zywoo is agro player on t-side and definitely one of the most if not the most agro awper in general...
Zywoo most passive awper abviously: youtube.com/watch?v=B9mIT15FE_Y
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what are you talking about zywoo has 36-40% AWP usage this year lowest of all awpers
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Obviously NiKo is rifler and an entry, and ZywOo is awper with certain adjustment roles in case if needed (entry, support, anchor etc) but that disproves ZywOo is awp abuser.
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His most used weapon is rifle by the statistics but he uses awp. ZywOo also can't really be dedicate rifler without an awper in a team that would be suicide for a team, also it would be downgrade. The best players in the world have insane flexibility and the argument that they are abusers is just wrong.
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0/8
This thread is an absolute nightmare...
NiKo is not possible to get Top 1 and ZywOo is not an AWP abuser at all.
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NiKo is Top 2.
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Those other players don't have ZywOo-level statistics, Cologne MVP and Katowice EVP, though. m0NESY and huNter- have the Katowice + Cologne win but m0NESY has zero MVP's and huNter- is not a Top 10 player whatsoever.
NiKo is practically guaranteed Top 2, only ZywOo has been better this year statistics-wise.
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Yes and no...
Even if ZywOo goes invisible for the rest of the year, he still has the best 2023 statistics, three MVP's, playoffs EVP's, Major MVP, etc... His Top 1 is practically guaranteed.
Even if NiKo goes invisible for the rest of the year, he still has Katowice EVP, Cologne MVP, the second-best statistics, etc...
I will admit the gap between 2nd and 3rd is closer than 1st and 2nd, though. With three months, there are still MVP's/EVP's and trophies to be had but it's unlikely the order will change in three months, BWF will probably be the final decider.
The players closest to NiKo are Spinx, m0NESY, ropz, Sunpayas and stavn. Honourable mentions are: s1mple is technically there but his drop-off might be unrecoverable; Device is a potential Top 10 candidate but Top 5 is not possible for missing out on too many events this year.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah please not stavn...god please no...
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Yes... technically he's a Top 10 contender, friend.
Though obviously nowhere NiKo's level, there is a chance he could be a potential Top 5 contender if Heroic/stavn dominate the rest of the year.
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i mean...yea you are absolutely correct. he has actually better numbers than last year(and he was 10th) so i dont blame you for mentioning him but...i dont know, maybe it is just me...but i dont want underperforming player in play offs when it matters the most nowhere near top5 again and saying that stavn is even remotely close to niko is just wrong on so many levels to me :D
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Yeah, I know what you mean. ^^
stavn is unfortunately usually absent in important matches but he has decent Top 10 statistics and big event/LAN rating. So anything is possible. ;)
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yea it is...but man im not rly fan of it tho
even tho that i hate niko blind diehard fans its pretty foolish to say that niko isnt 2nd tbh...
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he has pretty big lead already...at least in my opinion
/edit yea zywoo is locked
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he maybe isnt "guaranteed" but his lead is pretty big and i would bet my bank account on it :D
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they shoumd -20% ratings for awpers tbh.
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So they don’t too the ratings list e wry time like you complained? Since awp is so low effort, and are dropped dropped by teammates a lot of times rather bought by the awper himself, there ought to be de-bufs to the ratings of awp kills.
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Can’t you see you have just proved why Niko shouldn’t be awping without dispel the the notion that awping is easy though?
Since Niko is the goat rifler but average with the awp; the rifling prowess his team lost would be too much and they won’t find someone to that’ll be a 1:1 replacement either, so it’s much more sensible get an average player to awp so that all the rifling firepower remains.
At best, it’s a unique case of ‘Niko’, not a “most rifilers can’t be awpers” cus we’ve seen plenty.
Buy tbh he probably just never had the time to get all the angles familiarized.
Indeed, he is the fierce competitor this year with zywhoo who is just a little higher.
youtube.com/watch?v=5fD5IwBIS9M
HLTV wont make NiKo number 1 because he isnt an awper that makes no sense little man
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no they wont make him top1 bcs...wait for it...he isnt top1
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+1
"semi awp abuser" is not a degrading factor for the top 20
no not possible...as simple as that
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