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S1mple major play off:
played againts vitality with kyojin tier 3 talent. washed shox and botsutaa
played againts literally kids in their first big lan tournament
played againts G2 who only good players were hunter and Niko with amanek awping lmao
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"goat simple"
Got dabbed on by 19 year old zywoo 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 👌
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How many top 10 riflers Zywoo had in his team back then I'm curious?
Also S0mple wasn't the real #1 in 2018 by your logic lol.
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they literally played bo3s against #3, #4, #5, #6 and bo1 against #2 and #12
there were only to teams that could actually beat NAVI and that were Vitality and Gambit - both of them NAVI had in their bracket
in Vitality case they didnt play single bo3 against team that was in top20
NAVI were clearly the best there but I dont understand how people are saying that teams knew there were going to make changes etc so they "didnt care" and on the other hand in Paris you had same thing teams knew cs2 is gonna be there and after the major there were big changes in many teams
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How did you misinterpret my statement as Navi's major run being easier than vitality's major run?
I literally even mentioned about this in #8. Vitality had the worst major playoff run of all time, nobody can dispute that.
Those who are trying to argue that "well it's not their fault that t2 teams defeated t1 teams", it had more to do with those t1 teams having poor form than Vitality being dominant.
"hardest major ever" is such a joke.
And I'm a s1mple fan.
c9 played against 1st best team, 2nd best team and 3rd best team.
navi played against 2nd best team, 3rd best team, and 4th best team.
hence boston major was harder
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That was one of the easiest majors ever.
Navi were the favorites by far, no other team was close.
it'd be like if prime Astralis was playing in 2015
Navi and especially simple played amazing that event and for the second half of that year, but saying it was the hardest major is just plain cope. So many teams were dead or dysfunctional and the ones that werent were more-or-less completely new to playing LANs
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Navi was really good, but the other teams were also bad.
Most of the teams that were good that year fell off when lans started since they were used to the online setting, like Gambit, Heroic, and Syrson.
Their only competition was G2, who were still leagues behind them due to roll issues and a lack of firepower (Jackz as a player, amanek on the awp instead of support, etc.)
2021 teams ranked like this:
1. Navi
Gap
Gap
Gap
2. G2
Gap
3. Gambit/Heroic/Vita
4. Everyone else
Not even Astralis at their peak had as big a gap from second as Navi did, not because Navi was so much better than everyone else, but because everyone else was also so bad.
(I'm not discrediting the win, S1mple put up an amazing performance and Navi made history by not dropping a single map. It was really impressive. But it was not the hardest major win ever or even close)
i hate zywoo fans but hes got a point
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unjudgeble when all matches were basically online or lan studios
only major and big lan and big event makes a big difference in rankings
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so the best teams at big events, major and big lan are not the ones who would be the best at the major ?
ok ? points are still valid lmao
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0/8 b8 m8
Doesn't matter. He still had an easy run
Zywoo major play off:
Into the breach with bot Thomas and bot awp crucial
Apeks with bot styko and jL having a big slump since legends stage
Gamerlegion with KEOZ THE BIGGEST BOT ever and iM the only player from the team doing well
+ the fact that it was THE FIRST MAJOR for all of these 3 teams
s0mple's major playoff run was bad, but zywoo's major playoff run was unironically worse
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put some respect on siuhy's name mens)))
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zywoo major play off :
teams that raped every tier 1 teams besides vitality because they were actually good
people cry about vitality for defeating weak teams but dont cry about g2/faze/navi for losing to those same teams
all this is in reality a cope because you know deep inside that no matter the teams they faced, vitality woudve won
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so itb apex and fucking gl r better than vita gambit and g2? xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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what is this bait lmao
S0mple should made it to the playoffs if it was that easy
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Faze was bad at the time so no it was miracle they did get through.
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nope only faze
As happy as I was for ZywOo when he won the major, I don't think it was necessarily earned. He played against only Tier 2 teams to win it
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what are you trying to prove with this?
Vitality played and beat a single Tier 1 team. Congrats I guess?
"I don't think it was necessarily earned"
bcs its fault of vitality that other so called t1 teams blew it...? ofc it was earned lol
omegalul opinion
s1mples run was easy because navi was the best team at that time, and they dominated all the good teams at that time.
Didnt see Vitality playing G2, Heroic, Ence for the major win
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They did play Ence one in the Legends Stage in a BO1, but that was still when Ence were finding their footing. But yeah I agree, s1mples run seemed "easy" because navi were just untouchable at the time
You probably didn't watch the major then because they beat both G2 and ENCE, and they also beat the team that beat Heroic, so...
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Cause Vitality won against those in bo3s teams in previous events so them winning against them too in bo1s shouldn't surprise anyone ? Vitality were clearly the best during those 2 months there is no point arguing that although yes a bo3 would have been better but it wouldn't have changed the result (especially against Ence cause Vitality won on Vertigo which is the map where they throw the hardest against ence)
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huh? who tf cares about other events it's known that teams don't always perform as well at Majors as other irrelevant events.
This person is saying NaVi only beat these teams because they were easier but they continued to beat these teams into 2022 at 75% of their strength. They were literally just as good as FaZe in the first half of the year and mostly lost games due to small mistakes not overall skill.
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And who said BO1 was a trash system? certainly not me, if teams lose BO1s, then they just have to get better, it's just an easy excuse for the losing fans, they can act like it wasn't a real match because it was BO1
Also, more than half of the criticism towards Vitality comes from Navi/Navi players flairs, so maybe you're the one being biased, don't you think?
I'm neutral on that, Vitality is not the team I cheer for, but if you think that Vitality didn't deserve that major, or that they weren't clearly the best team at the time, then you're either baiting or extremely biased
And if you think their run was easy (not comparing to Navi or whatever other team, I don't care about that kind of camparison, Navi 100% deserved their major as well), then how come all the other apparently good teams lost with similar runs? How come Navi lost to Monte (0-2 in a BO3)? How come ENCE lost to Nip (0-2 as well)? How come G2 lost to Fnatic (BO3 as well)? How come Heroic lost to GamerLegion? I can go on and on, but maybe it's because it's not so easy after all?
Don't you think it's weird how all these teams that lost these supposedly meaningless BO1s ended up getting eliminated when they played so-called weaker opponents in BO3s? That's because these BO1s are not meaningless, and they were just not good enough.
Yea man, imagine if NAVI had lost the PGL Major vs G2...
"NAVI lost the chance to win the major", "Navi choked with all easy opponents", "Navi lost vs a team without an awper".
Now imagine the same think with Vitality...
"VIT chocked hard vs T3 opponents", "They should have won everything", "They are so bad"
Worst take ever xD. Can't deny ZyWoO will go down as 1 of 2 goats, but his major win was shit. Worst major in a long long time.
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pretty sad that niko wasnt able to win even such a bad major i guess
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Outsiders had to beat current Vitality in an important 1-1 game 16-12 on Overpass
They beat the same Fnatic that sent G2 home from Paris Major in 4-0 fashion
They beat MOUZ 2-1 in their best maps that MOUZ sent Cloud9 and ENCE home at the Major
And took Heroic 2-0 ending 16-5 in Heroics best maps Overpass winning the most comprehensive Major victory of all time
G2 got sent packing by 1win and Gamerlegion at Rio and Bad News Eagles Fnatic at Paris and Vitality got sent out by Outsiders and ENCE
I’d say in fluke CS exhausted it be the few and far between wins G2 has
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The overall field was better during s0mple's major, have been like maybe 3-4 good teams for the past year and even then its not "whos better" it's "which team is not gonna choke"
Mom calls you boy
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No matter the team he beat rank 2,3 and 4 to win his Major meanwhile zywoo beat rank 55,100 and unranked almost like be serious at least. Everybody literally everybody called the weakest Major and the weakest play offs run of ALL TIME.
and btw that Vitality with kjojin was better then the first 8 months of the new Vitality.
those were the best teams at that time
ur just salty and mad LMAO
NAVI 2021 still infinitely better than Whotality
s1mple > overratedwOo (undeserved GOAT shouts)
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there is no asterisk at all...you can beat only teams that you face. blame other so called t1 teams that they blew it.
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no there isnt. all top teams were there with their full lineups. its that simple...
if those top teams would have stand ins due to for example visa issues or illness then i could understand that but it wasnt the case. they were just outplayed there.
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By your logic, every major pre-2018 or smth like that is irrelevant and dogshit cuz teams in 2023 are more much more advanced
use brain
At the end of the day this is the only thing that matters:
At least S1mple had to beat all Tier 1 teams. You can say whatever about the status of the rosters of G2/Heroic/Vita etc. back then, the rosters definitely werent as good/as experienced as they are now but those teams STILL had Niko/Hunter/Zywoo etc. on them because theyre still t1 teams(and even back then I mean...they were still top 10 teams)
Zywoo at Paris though? They literally had to beat a SINGLE Tier 1 team. Otherwise all they had to beat and play were t2 teams.
Biggest fluke and joke of a "major" ever.
Personally I think G2 winning both Katowice and Cologne in the same year this year is WAY, WAY more impressive and carries far more weight, even though they arent technically major's anymore(which is stupid af, theyre still 2 of the biggest events of the season and often the most competitive/hard to win too).
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Are you really American?
I agree that the teams at Stockholm were not that competitive but you should probably roll back on the implication that ITB, Apeks, Gamer Legion are even in the same tier of counter strike as Vitality, Gambit, G2.
s1mple was also better in stockolm than zywoo was in paris regardless and in spite of facing much better teams (stats do back this)
if you are a real Zywoo fan, then you are making him look worse by making arguments like these.
the difference is that s1mple faced all the toughest opponents he possible could have, back at the time. meanwhile the only "good" teams vitality beat are g2 (who looked lost af in paris, losing to fnatic) and a relatively new ence, also both in bo1s.
also, navi's stockholm opponents would've given vitality a much tougher competition than its paris opponents.
just accept it, your idol's major run was an even bigger fluke than Rio
P.S. Stockholm Navi would've thrashed current vitality 2-0 at any given time
Stockholm Major was a big joke , i mean Top2 team had no Sniper LOL
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No need to have awp if u have god 2021 niko, good team with awp(!!!!!!!!(heroic)) lost to g2 without awp
So, how does it relate to Zywoo?
What the hell is even this thread?
How does s1mple having easy major denies the fact that Zywoo also had easy major?
name checks out
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ye i cant believe 2 years later and ur allowed to bait that navi did not smash all the top teams of that time. Bannable offense honestly
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And that's the issue, rankings don't show certain things, i mean if Vitality were top 2 with a huge 0.8 rating bot like kyojin, a shox playing to not even 20% of his prime, apex pulling a 1.00 rating in star roles and misutaaa or G2 that was also top 2 multiple times during that year despite having no awper and 3 guys with a 1.00 rating (jackz, amanek and nexa) then it says a lot of things about the level of cs that year no ?
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I'm not saying that those lineups weren't flawed, but s1mple beat ZywOo, sh1ro + Ax1Le and NiKo to win his major while ZywOo beat Cypher, nawwk and iM. Those are not the same.
Vitality did have Kyojin, yes, but also mega veterans and ZywOo himself who was #1 player in the world in previous years. Gambit players were labeled as onliners, but online they were undisputed #1 team with certified stars which remained legit to this day, and even nafany and interz were way better back then. NiKo was playing out of his mind and was an MVP contender for that major, huNter- was also amazing and the rest of that team was punching above their weight. It's easy to manipulate those narratives to make s1mple's major seem fraudulent but in no way are those teams the same as garbage teams that ZywOo had to face.
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back then navi make every team looks bad. they was level above everyone.
navi make the scene look bad.
btw zywoo major should be respected ass any other major. wasnt his fault teht other teams failed.
vitality was favorite for this major and probabaly wcan win without other team falls
dont worry zywoo will win cs2 major and become goat of counter-strike
why are people still trying to justify that blast major it was a joke one of the easiest playoff runs if not the easiest
"Easy" is subjective.
It's fact that they faced the lowest-ranked teams in Major playoffs history, that doesn't automatically imply that the matches themselves were easy, especially in context with how performed at the Major in order to make the playoffs.
solid bait, so many replies from idiots
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