Forum thread: avoid noob role

tommorow he's going back to that role dont worry, 1 lucky day

2023-09-20 23:28

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noob role will give you max 5 points, team and player performance is the major contributor. hence if hooxi gets below 0.8 rating then, you get +5 role points, -20 player and team points .nett -15 hence its bad option to chose noob role

2023-09-21 04:02

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0.8 doesnt give you -20. it gives you -10. player points = (palyer rating - 1) / 2

2023-09-21 04:33

True, I never use this Role and if you aim to get to the top (which you do, otherwise what's the point), then you have to avoid any roles that compromise your potential success.

2023-09-20 23:28

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i used it on adven in group c and got 20 role points 4 games (max) but still went -10 or something

2023-09-20 23:33

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yea but advent is an exception cause he is one of those that really suck that on a really good day will have a 1.05 so you wont lose anything, he is a good noob

2023-09-20 23:44

2023-09-20 23:33

+1 instead of using noob role on players like hooxi & apex, put stathunter instead. the good energy will make them perform

2023-09-20 23:29

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+1 I have noob on niko right now and almost got full 5 points. tommorow we get it

2023-09-20 23:30

why did you make me pick fl1t and perf over fame and hallzerk?)) look how is hallzerk doing and fame did better then fl1t))

2023-09-20 23:34

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it's just the first set of games bro dont worry, hallzerk can't do this against real teams plus i saved you from picking fame, you should be thanking me. dude sucks

2023-09-20 23:41

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1st map he carried (fame) last 2 was just decent but i feel like he is going to be a factor for vp

2023-09-20 23:44

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he had less adr and kills than fl1t, he would have been more than -2 if he didnt jame time so much. He farmed his rating this series

2023-09-20 23:46

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damn with fame and hallzerk i would be top5% right now) now we both stuck at 65))

2023-09-21 00:50

lately i would say fame is the second best in the team actually which used to be fl1t. and mir is very good lately for his cost which isnt settled yet

2023-09-20 23:46

Noob role worked for me with nealan well .

2023-09-20 23:29

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yea nealen is a bit hard cause he has good games as well like once in 3 games but yea he is not too bad for noob

2023-09-20 23:50

noob on jT

2023-09-20 23:31

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#19

2023-09-20 23:49

mynio is my noob

2023-09-20 23:32

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#21

2023-09-20 23:49

mynio is my noob

2023-09-20 23:34

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mynio is lately not really good for noob he usually will get you on 2 points rather than 5 cause he is performing way beter than he used to

2023-09-20 23:49

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the thing with him is that none other roles fit him well.. although im happy if he makes 2 points

2023-09-20 23:56

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i dont remember but i think he has some other ones or at least those that will give you a 20% for 5 points and like 60% for 2 points, those i usually prefer over noob. like right now vs complexity he gets you 2 thats true but yea its good or bad idk depends

2023-09-20 23:58

Same here better 2 points than -2 points

2023-09-20 23:58

2023-09-21 12:51

I have JT as the noob and so far so good tbh

2023-09-20 23:34

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JT is a tricky one but im almost sure you can have a good role that dosent require him to be bad

2023-09-20 23:47

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23-40 after 2 maps bro i think cope

2023-09-20 23:51

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i wouldnt pick him in the first place i would pick mynio or hooxi over him, but yea sometimes when his team plays bad or really good he can be top of scoreboard but on close games he will usually just be bottomfragging

2023-09-21 00:13

oh yea also #39 way better in my opinion

2023-09-21 00:13

HS Machine, he has good raw aim

2023-09-21 00:11

Idk, looking at CoL's bracket it was just worth it to take JT into the fantasy as he made me afford JKS, M0nesy, Mir and Electronic, and giving him the noob role basically saves me from him giving me -10/-20 points every game :D Currently only sitting on -2 after he went 35-58 against 9ine. Seems worth it to me. Also their next opponent is C9, I highly doubt JT will go above 0.85 in that game... ofc I might be wrong but I think it's fair to assume that the noob role is gonna be worth it again today. I think it's not worth it to put the noob role on players like Hooxi or Apex because their team might dominate so much that they go positive - or even topfrag like Hooxi yesterday. But with a team like CoL, that is pretty much heavily tier2 (if not tier2.5) and might get some upsets here and there but overall their chances of going to playoffs are really slim, it's a safe call to put the noob role on players like JT, just like it would be safe to put it on players like NealaN, Maj3r, Mynio, Walco etc

2023-09-21 11:35

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i mostly agree with you, i think some of the players you mentioned still have space for creativity but overall i agree with your approach more than alot here

2023-09-21 17:19

For this group hooxi best role is leader, g2 going to 2-0 everyone

2023-09-20 23:36

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leader or eco friendly, eco is actually safer cause even if they fall for vp or the final of the group he would still get you points on eco but not on leader

2023-09-20 23:48

why would you put noob role on a obvious group's winner IGL? Just put leader, quite literally free points, and you can easily double that with a booster

2023-09-20 23:49

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alot fall for that convenient assumption of bad rated player = Noob role, it makes sense in your brain but if you think outside of the box a bit you realize there is alot of options even for bad rated which also dosent have to be IGL role (if that team somehow lose its insta -2)

2023-09-20 23:53

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I mean, I suppose people really be expecting +- 30 points from a Bronze players. They are mostly really bad and sometimes have a really great tournament like aleksib for example. They are just used as fillers to fit the absolute beasts into a team and fill it with what's remaining and you just hope you can use boosters that he will trigger because he's bad (Cannon fodder, scoreboard bottom, bait ..) However there are stupid decisions like this one:

SSM.FDs

ESL Pro League Season 18 - Group B

frozen

SunPayus

dycha

siuhy

ADK

Go to team Create your own fantasy team!

Picking ADK wasn't the smartest move, but the noob* role saved me 15 points on the other hand.. And top 17% was quite cool since Heroic whiffed.

2023-09-20 23:59

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for sure on someone like that from this team i would gladly take a Noob role all day long thats a must. The thing is that for example on Snappi and apex i would never give a noob they always have other options and im not even talking leader role. the absolute worst has to have noob but those IGL's that have eco friendly or support or whatever going for them is just better

2023-09-21 00:05

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Agree it's case to case basis, but there are players like adk or mynio, where it's the best choice. Especially when they have strong bracket or something like that.

2023-09-21 00:06

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specifically for mynio this time since hsi first game is against comlexity and if he looses he is gainst EF i wouldnt consider too hard of a bracket and also: #35

2023-09-21 00:10

What if every other role is low % though? Mynio literally had nothing else to offer.

2023-09-20 23:58

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i didnt pick him this time but im almost sure he has some 20%/60% roles or stuff like that still would always give you 2 points or even 5 when he does good at that role. i prefer to give them the chance to perform good cause if you get close to the top of the scoreboard you'd want him to do good when unlikely and by having positive roles you push him further. but if he triggers noob in the first place then you also are unlikely to get to the top anyway you get me?

2023-09-21 00:08

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no, he has very low trigger rate on every role (<20%), even the support role

2023-09-21 04:16

Well atm im on #72 position with top 1% with him on my team and -1 points atm, sadly 9ine lost to coL, gonna se now tomorrow.

KANTZ CONSPIRACY

ESL Pro League Season 18 - Group D

HooXi

huNter-

sh1ro

Ax1Le

mynio

Go to team Create your own fantasy team!

2023-09-21 04:24

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wasted 22booster, should have use it on leader or awp role, mostly free points

2023-09-21 12:34

They adjusted the noob role slightly so its better option than it was before. But obviously it requires Hooxi to not play like he played today. Well actually is the -2 even that bad if he gets good scores today regardless and after that is shit like usual. I know what you mean and can see the logic, but I don't actually know if the logic holds up in every case.

2023-09-21 00:10

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not every case, like my guy on #32 but then it falls to the category of REALLY BAD players which is ez Noob

2023-09-21 00:11

Noob role is used for tournaments where u pick 160k player who plays for a terrible team who go out after one loss

2023-09-21 00:20

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true, most ppl will still give it to an apex or hooxi and lots of others like them which have very good alternative roles

2023-09-21 00:29

then you shouldnt pick a player that will be eliminated after first loss

2023-09-21 04:25

Noob role is not bad and should not be avoided in my opinion. It is a strategic role. Personally I use it when I see the chance of picking two great players for my team but need the absolute budget pick to make it work. I usually put it on a bad player with chances to win matches. Noob + bad boosters (bottom of the scoreboard, Cannon fodder and such) and 6 points for victory can make a 0.80 player still get 1 or 2 positive points. If your gold players do their job, this is more than enough for budget pick + noob role to work out. Of course, if you think the budget pick will win matches, leader might be better. But noob is a great insurance for a well rounded team. And keep in mind that all that I said is for people looking for consistency in the fantasy leaderboard. If you want the skin then yeah, avoid noob

2023-09-21 03:52

idk whats with that noob role for me.. Last time I picked some dude like ADK or something, put noob role, they got trashed by someone he had 9 frags 20 deaths or something, and I got -31 point?

2023-09-21 04:12

hooxi, snappi and apex are exception because hooxi and snappi play smg every time on anti-eco/force buy round, and apex just wins game with vitality so leader role is fine but how about those players that are shit on every role except Noob? for example players like mynio, karrigan, dexter, nealan etc i guess the title should be "dont use noob role on overdogs"

2023-09-21 04:23

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Honestly I agree with the thread, noob role is shit because it only gives you an average performance out of the pick, which can help if you need to stabilize but will never go far if you are going for the top of the season scoreboard (which you don't have to, it's ok, but it also means you won't ever get top 3 and get a free skin). For me, if a player can only get Noob Role, then it means you should try everything possible to avoid drafting him. I learned my lesson with Dexter in Group C. I gave him Eco Friendly because don't want to have an average performer, and I ended up with an awful performer. For Hooxi or Apex for example, IGL or Eco Friendly role goes a long way because they have great rounds and strats, and usually win hard or win the pistol rounds and can get some SMG kills after. For Dexter, FNATIC is not a very stable team so if they shit the bed he's gonna be an ever worse liability, which I will try to avoid in the future

2023-09-21 11:02

Noob is good. Even if the player plays well, you will probably get yellow.

2023-09-21 04:30

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yea but its not that unlikely for one of them to pass a 1.12 rating sometimes which will lead to a minus

2023-09-21 09:52

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So don't give the role to someone who will likely play well

2023-09-21 09:53

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hooxi is someone i wont give the noob role, but you do expect him to play bad no? but at the same time he can have a decent game here and there and he has other alternatives for roles that dont require him to play bad so why dont you use them instead for example?

2023-09-21 10:51

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I would give Hooxi the role for which he has the highest percentages.

2023-09-21 12:21

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the best one was the eco friendly role and its always better than the noob role so even if it has a bit less % its better because of what it is and who is supposed to play against

2023-09-21 16:04

if you don't put HooXi on IGL role when you pick him up you're trolling (unless you pick him for fantasy playoffs where he's much likely to play against top teams and bottom frag)

2023-09-21 10:07

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Eco friendly role???? he has a VERY high % of triggering it AND he can play good or bad and still activate it

2023-09-21 10:52

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yeah true forgot about that role

2023-09-21 11:17