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Think it's interesting that Ax1le plays good for one day and HLTV say he's back whereas Niko can dominate a tournament and they'll only make a post about it towards the end of the event. Idk Ax1le is great but I don't think we have to celebrate every time he frags out against a B-tier team.
Ax1Le is a nobody compared to NiKo, don't insult the greatest rifler in CS:GO history by putting him next to Ax1Le
NiKo carries his team 99% of the time while Ax1Le ghosts the biggest events
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"NiKo carries his team 99% of the time while Ax1Le ghosts the biggest events"
No dispresect to NiKo, but he has not and never will win a CS:GO Major. His accomplishments and legacies aside, that argument is also the same one used against NiKo.
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Yes because Ax1Le won many Majors
Stop coming up with these ChatGPT replies please
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That's not my point at all.
Ax1Le is far younger than NiKo, has been playing far less than NiKo, and hasn't played nearly as many tournaments as NiKo. I would be very impressed if Ax1Le managed to accomplish Major gold in the time that he has played in tier 1 CS but "ghosting the biggest events" is not a fair argument to make for either player here.
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At Ax1le's age Niko stats were better. Niko's stats are still great but he actually solo carried his way to the top of tier 1 with no talent on his team to support him. Ax1le has had support since day one.
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Yeah, Ax1Le has always played with sh1ro, one of the best young prospects in recent memory. NiKo carried Mousesports to tier 1 and kept FaZe Clan alive to net number 2 that year.
It's an interesting debate to be had but the comment of "NiKo carries his team 99% of the time while Ax1Le ghosts the biggest events" is definitely not a good one, even if Ax1Le probably should be compared to NiKo at all.
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I love Niko, but pretty much throughout his all T1 career he's been in great lineups.
Axile is overrated asf tho.
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thats why he is the mvp of C9's most impressive title wins such as 2 IEM's and EPL? :D
sh1ro has 1 more MVP than him and his mvps are :FunSpark, V4 and IEM Fall CIS
so basically, Ax1le was the MVP of all the bigget events that c9 has won besides IEM KATOWICE :)
including their last event Dallas
and Ax1le's highest rating against top-5 teams in 2022 and yet very good rating in 2023 too :) Yeah bro, you proved so much with your words, too bad facts are against you.
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Thats what I'm saying, I think that people are over hyping Ax1le, because as I said, Niko will have whole tournaments where he's untouchable, I haven't seen Ax1le do that, so why do people freak out when he has a good game?
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Ax1Le and Clown9 fanboys are attacking me for speaking the truth
hltv.org/news/35371/top-20-players-of-20..
Maybe because he's top-1 player against top-5/10 in 2022
and top-1 rifler of 2022 aka the last season? people are hyped because he's starting to gain back his form that he had with nafany, c9 are slowly adapting and so does Ax1le. Ax1le has won 4 mvps within 3 years while playing with sh1ro. NiKo has won 1 mvp between 2021-2023
Are you sure you're not overhyping NiKo who's according to all stats achieved far less in the past few seasons?
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Past few seasons? Look at their ratings. On LAN Ax1le has a 0.97 rating for the last few months. Niko has a 1.23. They are not anywhere near the same.
NiKo 2021-2022 : 0 mvps. carried 0 important matches
Ax1le 2021-2022 : 4 mvps
Last 3 big events that G2 has won : m0nesy MVP, hunter MVP, NiKo mvp
Last 3 big events that c9 has won : Dallas Ax1le mvp, IEM summer Ax1le mvp, Blast H0bbit
NiKo at IEM KATOWICE 2023 in the finals - second lowest hltv.org/matches/2361345/heroic-vs-g2-ie..
NiKo at BLAST FINAL - second lowest hltv.org/matches/2360646/liquid-vs-g2-bl..
/closed + destroyed
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Look at the event calibre you're talking about and remember that there was an online era. Since we went back to LAN, how many tier 1 tournaments have c9 won?
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So NiKo hasnt won any mvp in 2021 and 2022 because "online"?
First of all, 2022 wasnt online. Second of all, all the big names such as s1mple, ZywOo had no problem with winning the mvps in 2021, whats NiKo's excuse?
NiKo has won 1 mvp since 2021. BLAST - m0nesy mvp. Kato - huNter. its just funny that people say that NiKo is carrying "solo" or stepping up in big matches
2022 was offline, Ax1le has won 1 LAN MVP and was crowned as the best rifler, NiKo's excuse? He had a much better team and the only event that they won was carried by m0nesy
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Even Niko said 2022 was terrible for him, look at how his form changed. I never said Niko was carrying every event but I do think that saying Ax1le has done more is just ignorance and doesn't match the stats. Ax1les rating this year has been way worse than Niko's was in 2022 and Niko said he thought that was one of his worst years in his career.
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NiKo was top-5 in 2022 what are you on lol.
He had won 0 mvps and barely 1 event, thats why.
NiKo in 2022 had 1.22 rating,
Ax1le has 1.18 in 2023 and people are saying that he's washed. C9 has an awful year and had a complete roster change, thats at least understandable
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What am I on? It's what the man said himself. He didn't think he deserved top 5.
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He never said that. By this logic he didnt deserve top-3 iin 2021, he was even worse
He said that they had a bad year as a team and that he couldnt win a single mvp, stop twisting the words.
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What are you talking about? He said it in multiple interviews. He's even said it a couple months ago on the podcast with yanko and chad? Bruh do your research before discounting other's knowledge. I admit, I've seen almost every Niko interview that there is but these were pretty mainstream.
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he had worse rating and pretty much the same titles in 2021, 2020 too
Anyway, what he says doesnt mean shit. He can say that he's the worst in the world, it doesnt mean that its true.
And I have no idea what are you trying to prove by saying that. He can admit whatever he wants, c9 had a bad year, yet managed to win one LAN that was carried by Ax1le.
as I said, Ax1le has won 4 mvps in 3 years. NiKo has won 1. Lets not overhype him only because he's playing and won one mvp in 3 years of professional CS.
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If you want to go with that argument, Look at the MVP's and medals on Nikos player page. then go look at Ax1les. /closed
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NiKo is playing since what year? please remind me?
Ax1le is playing on t1 for a few years and already won 4 mvps and managed to surpass NiKo in 2022, and yet he has much more to come.
/closed
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Alright where did Ax1le go then? Why didn't he win Kato or Cologne or a major or anything of significance this year? If ax1le is a better rifler why is his rating worse against top5, top 10, top 20 etc. His achievements are nice but they're b-tier, g2 has one 2 of the 3 biggest events this year. Niko has more MVPs. Ax1le had an insane year last year but if you're talking about longevity he's all over the place. If you don't look at their stats, don't listen to their interviews and only listen to Mauisnake then I guess I get where your opinion comes from but bro you're better than that.
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Where did NiKo go in 2019? Where did he go in 2022 when Ax1le surpassed him?
What significant did he win in 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019?
We are not comparing who is a bigger GOAT, its fckin obvious that NiKo has been playing for many years.
But Ax1le was far more impressive than NiKo in the past few seasons, winning much more events and surpassing him in 2022. thats why people are so hyped after what he did in 2021 and then 2022, completely destroying every rifler
c9 had a very rough year and competely changed their roster. Ax1le is doing just fine and if you put NiKo in FaZe he will perform much worse.
And as I said, never say "NiKo won" because he has won absolutely nothing in g2 before m0nesy joined him and instantly won BLAST and took the MVP.
It's also notable to mention that in that interview he said that his 2022 performance was unacceptable and that he would get his form back up. Look at 2023 now, his rating is much higher. He was able to return to his form immediately. Not many players can just do that.
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"his form" m0nesy BLAST mvp, hunter KATO MVP and jks EVP LOL
It's literally because of how strong their team has gotten since m0nesy+jks arrival. lets stop being delusional and say that its because of NiKo who has won 1 mvp in the last 3 events.
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I think it is because of Niko, if you listen to interviews with the team he is very active and was training one on one with m0nesy for months. This dude tried to carry teams for his whole career and it didn't work out, now he's being more of a team player and they are winning. Watch how he plays before and after aleksi left. He plays more supportive now and is constantly talking. He is honestly the soul of that team and he knows it. He also knows m0nesy is insane. He's playing smarter not harder and even when he's playing more supportive, he's still better than ax1le.
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haha its not solely because of him. they started winning since m0nesy joined the team. him being good friends with m0nesy is no secret
yeah, he has an amazing year but so does G2 and he has 2 other teammates who have won mvps in the past 3 events + jks EVP. Their team is just much better in general. Put NiKo in FaZe and he would suck.
Dallas, IEM Summer big events hahahahahaha you're a joke mate, move on
Ax1Le is an online merchant, his entire career is based on online achievements, COVID merchant
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thats why NiKo has 0 LAN MVPS and Ax1le has 1, right?
thats why Ax1le was the highest rated player out of all (including s1, ZywOo) against top-5, right?
thats why the only event that G2 has won in 2022 was carried by m0nesy and not NiKo, right?
Niko career pre 2023
-0 prestigious tournaments won
-no relevant MVP
-was in superteams and still was choking doing silver mistakes like pushing an smoke and die to tarik XDD
-Played with karrigan and failed unlike ropz real deal
-did nothing apart from choking and farming ecos
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Facts
he Won NOTHING relevant before this year and has been sooo many years in the Scene
Even Jame is a bigger legend and major winner unlike this choker
yes. IEM events are counted as big events in HLTV stats and filters. g2 choked against Gambit in the semis at Summer, g2 choked to FURIA at EPL 7-8th place. g2, once again, choked to FURIA and ended up at 5-6th place at IEM Dallas
and I said last biggest events that c9 has won, not in general.
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being the reason guardin didnt won a major
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didnt guardian fail 3 times ? maybe niko is not the problem....
Ax1Le gets way too much praise for what he actually brings to the server
Different standard
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Not really
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it's not a close one, s1mple is far far greater than ZywOo , s1mple carried harder than ZywOo at his best for doble the timeframe.
But i would agree that the gap between NiKo and Ax1Le is way bigger than s1mple vs ZywOo.
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S1mple unfortunately is finished and only hanging on to this conversation because of his legacy. In no time, he gets overtaken by zywh0
+1 I don't think anyone can compare the Niko with Ax1le thats why I made this post. If we aren't celebrating the best in role's success then I think maybe we should be hyping Ax1le. Makes no sense
I think the point is that the Ax1Le vs NiKo debate in itself is not really a debate to be had whatsoever.
At least the ZywOo vs s1mple debate has some weight behind it because of ZywOo's accomplishments. The only think that Ax1Le has over NiKo is he placed higher in the respective years that he had and had potentially higher peaks but even still, he probably shouldn't be compared to NiKo really...
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That's kind of the point, yeah...
It's subjective, sure, but it doesn't matter how you slice it; NiKo vs Ax1Le is nowhere near as debatable as ZywOo vs s1mple, statistically or accolades alone.
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go ahead and look at the stats, if Ax1le spoke english he'd be in FaZe, G2, Vitality, or ENCE.
You can make an argument just as weak as the s1mple vs zywoo for ax1le vs niko
Ax1le first years are equivalent if not better then Nikosports era but NiKo still way better due to time just like s1 vs zywoo
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He also placed higher than NiKo last year.
My point being it's not a nig enough sample size in order to make a comparison. ZywOo at least tied s1mple's Top 2 and now again for the third this year Ax1Le placed higher once and has played tier 1 CS for less than three years thus far.
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NiKo missed major and was his worst year individually and that was ax1le's best year and ax1le barely outperformed NiKo lol
This is statistically inaccurate. Niko's rating in Mouse and Faze was higher, his rating for the past three months is higher, he has played more tier one events and has on average deeper placements. In the past 3 months Ax1le had a 0.97 rating for LAN events. This argument is silly.
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I said Nikosports which he averaged a 1.17 in while Ax1le first 2 years on Gambit in T1 was 1.20...
Ax1le first years in gambit was 2020 which was not in top 20 then got 4 and 5
-Won various amounts of trophies in online era and placed high in LAN
Niko first years in mouz was 2015 which was not in top 20 then got 11 and 2
-Won nothing, maybe a few quarter finals lol
Past 3 month Ax1le has new igl if u didnt know
No one is saying Ax1le > Niko
Niko clears Ax1le
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Comparing NiKosports where he had to carry whereas ax1le had multiple tier 1 players and fucking sh1ro and fucking online era
Nah zywoo vs s1 conversation is much more equal, I know a ton of people that truly believe that zywoo is better, even some pro players like hunter
Whereas ax1le vs niko isnt even close, everyone knows that niko is the better player
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Just because u say it doesnt mean u are right my friend :)
There's people that know way more about the game than u that think otherwise
Also, u could argue that despite zywoo having a shorter career, he has had a flawless career so far, even in his worst year he still got a 1.27 rating, while s1mple hasnt had a perfect career, That's lau's argument for zywoo.
s1 this year isnt performing at all and before liquid he wasnt a dominant player, those are 2 periods in his career where he hasnt been close to being the best player in the world.
Niko choked so many years and until this one he won relevant trophys lmao he is the biggest choker in history
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This is fair. I think he's the best rifler and biggest choker any version of CS has seen. It's honestly incredible.
it’s insane that after stockholm, people forgot how s1mple choked in 3 (three) major grand finals
If you really wanna count them, you can see that s1mple choked more than NiKo. The only diffetence is NiKo’s chokes were iconic while s1mple basically played like bot.
major grand final - 0.81 (9th best player of bo3)
hltv.org/matches/2326427/natus-vincere-v..
major grand final 0.89 (9th best player of bo3)
hltv.org/matches/2356169/faze-vs-natus-v..
major grand final 0.63 (10th best player of bo3)
hltv.org/matches/2303403/sk-vs-liquid-es..
This is a fact but you are free to act like NiKo choked more than s1mple like most of community.
I wont reply anyway, i just wanted to show the truth the people who read this.
bye!
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Thats not really how I would classify this. Niko and Ax1le are both star players and on some maps play the same positions, Niko is just a more aggressive player and he often gets punished for it. Ax1le plays safe and honestly in much more forgiving positions that will net more kills and fewer deaths for the average player. Look at BlameF. Passive with insane stats. If Ax1le played as aggressive as Niko (which he has tried on occasion) he just gets dumpstered. Thats why Niko is better, no one can play like he does. Lots of players have played like Ax1le.
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Aight first let's move past classifying players in roles like we did in 2015. Niko is barely an entry. If you want to pigeonhole players thats fine but even the analysts, pros, everyone that calls Niko an entry puts an asterisk to it. I think it's better to think of aggressive versus passive play styles in teams like G2 and C9. The players are too versatile to call them just one thing. So comparing is fine it just takes a deeper look at how they perform when playing like the other player, and as I said, When Niko plays passive or aggressive he is dominant. Ax1le is not nearly as much of a force in the server the same way. You can see it in stats, or you can see it in pro interviews of how the pros feel.
actuallys it’s easy
Entry - 1.20 rating - 1.30 impact rating
Lurker 1.20 rating - 1.10 impact rating
which is fair
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you cant be serious, NiKo playing hard entry since blast world finals 2022. He has the most opening kills per round in 2023. Noone is making him star. He is a star. M0nesy has a chance to get higher ratings than NiKo. Noone is stopping m0nesy, but NiKo is higher rated because he is just better.
Also it’s eaiser to get exit kills as an anchor. This is why players like spinx, ropz and ax1le have much lower impact rating than NiKo.
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+1 but he is either hard entrying or supporting. Very selfless star player
We got used to Niko being a god,he's done that since 2016(with small pauses),for Ax1le its not old news,he just hasnt been around for that long
>Go to player stats
>Sort vs top 20 in last 12 months
>Look at rating
>NiKo 1.21 vs Ax1le 1.15
>Click their names
>Look at impact
>NiKo 1.28 vs Ax1le 1.15
NiKo/S1mple/Zywoo/Device are held to higher standard, like LeBron or Steph Curry. We know they are great so when they are just good we scrutinize. Ax1le is more like Luka Doncic, even if his form dips his potential warrants an excuse as long as the dip isn't too low/long. Add in that it's popular to hate the best players (NiKo and S1mple especially so) and you have people not giving them their flowers just because they aren't dominant day in and day out.
NiKo just better
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Dev1ce too
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I like to put it this way, devve is peak of human performance in CSGO, what you can achieve by working very, very hard.
s1mple, Niko and zywoo have inhuman level that hasn't been touched by mere mortals.
Statistically, they shouldn't be that good, it shouldn't be possible for Niko to run one of the most aggressive roles in the game and keep such level of stats over such period of time. Good players get countered but no one is able to figure out a consistent counter for these guys.
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lmao guess I was right
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noforce does not work in csgo either
Niko is the goat of rifling and no one does what he does with the rifle, at that level and as consistently.
Ax1le is close which is impressive in and on itself. And he's young so he has room to improve.
But I doubt he'll ever reach that level, because there has been so many people in CS and no one came even close, like, statistically it's unlikely.
Ax1le and Niko different level
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