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oSee
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United States kamenator 
No more defending this guy. How does he keep getting away with this? Constant 0.99 rated performances with a 1.2 rating every 6-8 games is not enough, he needs to be benched
2023-09-21 02:51
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#1
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United States 1Tuurtle
bro Osee is the smallest issue in Liquid
2023-09-21 02:52
29 replies
#3
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United States kamenator
only bigger issue I see is yekindar igling. finding a new awper is easier than a new igl
2023-09-21 02:54
18 replies
nah Yekindar is by far the best player and Liquid played well. a good awper would make the real difference
2023-09-21 03:17
1 reply
hltv.org/stats/players/13915/yekindar?st.. He was the best player. Since he is igling, he has a 1.00 rating while playing rotator roles. Osee is not good, he need to be remplace, but bringing a new awper won't make this team a contender.
2023-09-21 03:37
#10
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United States PlankCS
The problem is finding an awper better than Osee that would willingly join that pile of trash.
2023-09-21 03:17
2 replies
junior wouldnt?
2023-09-21 03:51
1 reply
#26
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United States PlankCS
Junior is not better than Osee
2023-09-21 04:10
#29
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United States 1Tuurtle
Rainwaker being really poor indiviudally and not ready for tier 1 Patsi having been in a slump for over a year and being painfully average while being a star rifler. Also role clashes with Yekindar Yekindar can no longer frag and his calling is some of the worst in tier 1 Naf isnt used to his new roles and is no longer as consistent as he was, move him back to his old roles and the team is 100X better. Osee is pretty poor for an awper, but he's okay. Everyone else on the team? only Naf is better
2023-09-21 15:53
12 replies
#47
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China Aksi
star rifler? He is the hard entry lol
2023-09-24 15:17
11 replies
#53
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United States 1Tuurtle
He was brought in to replace elige, the team’s star rifler. So I am comparing him to elige. He is meant to be one of the team’s star riflers and he fails to do so
2023-09-24 16:56
10 replies
#55
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China Aksi
yeah you clearly dont know what you are talking about then
2023-09-24 17:03
9 replies
#58
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United States 1Tuurtle
Tell me who is meant to be the second star rifler then. The igl, the support, or the awper
2023-09-24 19:38
8 replies
#61
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China Aksi
yekindar igl rainwaker support osee awp patsi entry naf lurker aka star rifler
2023-09-24 21:07
7 replies
#62
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United States 1Tuurtle
every team has multiple star riflers. Patsi is the secondary star rifler, him and yekindar are both the team's entries. Patsi is meant to be the second/third star of the team and he can barely hold a 1.00 rating.
2023-09-24 21:35
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#65
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China Aksi
guy who goes first into the bombsites every round has same rating as your main AWPer :)
2023-09-24 21:44
5 replies
#67
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United States 1Tuurtle
Im not gonna argue Osee is good. But Patsi is bad. He's been in a slump for over a year and shows no signs of being able to adapt or improve. He also clashes roles with Yekindar. Liquid never should've signed him and the only reason I can think of as to why they did is Yekindar wanting to play with Patsi
2023-09-24 21:47
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#69
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China Aksi
I dont think he clashes roles with YEKINDAR when YEKINDAR has already started to lurk more and more before Patsi joined
2023-09-24 21:49
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#71
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United States 1Tuurtle
Yekindar certainly has started to lurk more, but tbh I think that's bad for the team. Rainwaker and Naf both seem more comfortable lurking and tbh Yekindar's skill on the entry role is something very few players have. If I were Liquid I would've kept Yekindar on entry, make Naf full time lurk, after that though idk what the moves would be. Siuhy as igl would be ideal, and wonderful on awp. Siuhy could fill the support role and then you could sign someone with a lot of potential at the time like iM. I feel like that roster would work better than the current one. The issue with getting rid of Osee is a. getting an awper that would 100% be an upgrade, there's wonderful and maybe zorte but not many others who are guarantees, and b. you lose the RMR invite for Copenhagen, which is probably the only reason Liquid kept Osee
2023-09-24 21:57
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#73
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China Aksi
yeah I agree, this team is one big mess. They should have never kicked ELiGE
2023-09-24 22:07
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#74
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United States 1Tuurtle
idk, Elige is hard to figure out. He didnt want to go to EU for practice and he was slumping quite a bit, but at the same time there are very few players who I'd say are upgrades over him. His recent for with Col has been nice to see as a bit of a resurgence from him.
2023-09-24 22:10
Smallest lol, put a good AWP in liquid they will actually become a top 5 team.
2023-09-21 02:58
7 replies
delusional
2023-09-21 03:15
a top 5 team, yeah sure. Yekindar whiffed important killls on rotator roles, NAF struggled to get kills. Rainwaker is having one good game on 5. Patsi inconsistent as always. Top5 team in your head.
2023-09-21 03:38
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Patsi is entry he will have good days and bad days is hard role to perform in tier 1. Yekindar is a good IGL and he already reach a final with Osee being actually DECENT not a god but just decent with a 1.08 rating something like that, it was enough to reach a final. They just need a awper to get those kills and knowing how to be aggressive. (I don't care just +regali because OG is dead) Rainwater is literally his first time in tier 1 so give him some time liquid already gave Osee 1 years almost so I think it's fair for him
2023-09-21 11:55
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wasnt rainwaker brought in to slot into nitr0's roles? if so i would not expect him to post super high numbers
2023-09-21 11:57
lets not exaggerate, they would become top 10
2023-09-21 03:52
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Maybe even top15. Even if you remove Osee (which I agre ), nobody is really playing an A game. Yekindar is missing easy shots. NAF is playing horribly bad, patsi is inconsistent and rainwaker is very often sleeping while listening rain.
2023-09-21 04:10
#30
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United States 1Tuurtle
#29 Also top 5 lol. no
2023-09-21 15:53
delusional
2023-09-21 03:00
1 reply
#31
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United States 1Tuurtle
2023-09-21 15:53
okay thanks for oppinion
2023-09-21 02:52
#5
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United States KhanQu3st
With any luck, oSee joins a real NA roster if he gets benched. Also you seem to be forgetting about Rainwaker being terrible so far, Patsi being disappointing, and YEKINDAR’s IGLing being anything but inspired.
2023-09-21 03:00
Kick osee and get Degster and liquid will be a top 10 team
2023-09-21 03:07
1 reply
delusional af. Youre stupid if you think this team would be able to setup Degster (or any other awper for that matter) properly
2023-09-24 21:44
What the fuck were they fucking thinking when they let YEKINDAR start to IGL?
2023-09-21 03:31
2 replies
Yekindar is really good at convincing ppl. Ppl almost believe that he is better player than niko last year.
2023-09-21 03:40
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#68
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Finland HAVU_CHOKE
Niko wasnt as good last year as he is now tho
2023-09-24 21:47
#14
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United States KentaKinte
highkey Osee not the problem
2023-09-21 03:40
Liquid is one move away from speaking Russian. Is this what we want?
2023-09-21 03:40
3 replies
Net, moy drug. But Yekindar will probably scapegoat everyone and say it is because of NA players. -Osee first, -daps second and then Naf leave.
2023-09-21 03:44
#49
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Asia flipflop
- osee + degster
2023-09-24 15:24
da
2023-09-24 19:47
#17
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Portugal ReyZ555
NOSEE must have some strong connections inside liquid I already seen a lot of players being benched for less and yet he is still playing after being trash for months/years
2023-09-21 03:43
Lol a .99 rating isn't even that bad.
2023-09-21 03:54
1 reply
It is when he gets to use the AWP
2023-09-21 04:05
Osee is not enough good for t1. It is getting more and more clear, but this team have way more to overcome than this obvious change. Put zywoo in this team and I don't think they could win a title. The chemistry, the setups, the calls, nothing is really amazing. This is a "new" team, but honestly, I see very little progress every match, specially on t side. They look like a mix pug.
2023-09-21 04:07
Problem with oSee is that when he has confidence he is a really good top 10 awper but that version of him never comes out and he is always nervous missing sitters, what is his problem
2023-09-21 04:08
15 replies
Lol this man has never had 1.7+ rating map vs a bonafide top 5 team. Ive watched basically every single liquid match that osee has played and he has rarely passed the eye test.
2023-09-22 09:25
14 replies
oSee on inferno vs c9 rn is what i am referring to
2023-09-22 21:11
11 replies
Lol, how can u support a 1 rated awper being given all the room he wants. U had to wait for his life game today in order to respond to me
2023-09-22 23:17
10 replies
had to wait for what i made the comment today and responded today
2023-09-22 23:46
1 reply
you made the comment 2 days ago...
2023-09-23 07:28
also 1 rating when starboys naf and yekindar are 1.06 and 1.03
2023-09-22 23:47
7 replies
bro how many maps/events has liquid played in the last 3 months? If u want to use flawed reasoning to support ur argument then go ahead and die on this hill. You obviously dont watch enough counterstrike if you cant use your eye test to see that osee putting himself in must-kill or die situations is not good since he whiffs more than broky.
2023-09-23 07:34
6 replies
Did you watch him before he joined liquid cause the way liquid used him from the beginning was wrong. He's an aggressive awper and one who can win the game himself. He will never be device, or shiro, or jame. Liquid neutered him from the beginning, he lost confidence and only recently he's starting to become what he was on extra salt
2023-09-23 07:48
5 replies
omg, this fucking narrative needs to stop. Dont you think adren and Daps WANT osee to be comfortable? Ill agree with you, in the beginning they did put osee in a dedicated role and had him on a leash but that stopped. Liquid are probably the org with the most position changes out of any tier 1 org in the past couple of years. They tried their best to accommodate to him but still lacks what it takes to be a dominant awper. Do you think daps is telling him to MISS his shots? ACTUAL SITTERS that any lvl 8+ can hit. Btw this is nothing close to how he played on extra salt,
2023-09-23 08:00
4 replies
Did u even listen to daps post game interview
2023-09-23 16:02
3 replies
I dont need too lol
2023-09-24 12:31
2 replies
sorry for questioning the one who knows all
2023-09-24 15:16
1 reply
np /closed
2023-09-24 15:18
#54
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United States Koosh34
oSee at cologne 2 years ago was good. Then the issues on Liquid happened and he has been bad.
2023-09-24 16:58
1 reply
he was the 3rd fiddle in a blow out against c9. He played well against spirit. Didnt do well on stage but Ill let him slide since that was his first time on stage.
2023-09-24 17:03
i like him
2023-09-23 07:41
NEVER TALK SHIT ABOUT OSEE
2023-09-23 08:02
1 reply
+1
2023-09-23 08:11
1 reply
meds
2023-09-24 15:33
Um the three Europe guys are a much bigger problem
2023-09-24 15:36
Lmao I agree with you that he should leave, but not because he's doing bad. Save him from Yekindars 'system.' Col looking better anyway.
2023-09-24 17:04
oSee is literally the highest rated player on the team by far in the past 3 months at big events
2023-09-24 19:44
#63
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Poland KPR23
hades owns him (not good)
2023-09-24 21:42
nosee
2023-09-24 21:46
any good awper?
2023-09-24 21:54
Lmao imagine thinking oSee is why they are losing. That being said, always the most ignorant people who are the loudest
2023-09-24 21:57
1.03 in past 12 months, at big events vs top 50 totally not a prob lol.
2023-09-24 22:14
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