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Impact of igls are overvalued
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Russia bodysprayer 
Every time I think of igls being highly praised or trashed on I think of that moneyball scene where the Oakland As go on a record winning streak and the radio/media is calling the coach a genius for making a low budget lineup work when it was all about the GM seeing value in certain players nobody else saw In cs however I think the coach has more impact because mostly the responsibility of how the team is structured, how the team want to approach situations, how the team practices to make sure they are milking the most out of a scrim, has more say in roster changes, preparing the team with antistrats in tandem with the analyst... Of course there are igls like karrigan that come as a package deal and do most of the tactical coaching, so I think he merits more scrutiny than other igls as well as equal praise. No other igl has done what he has accomplished. But overall I don't think the igls are the end all be all solution for a team. Only until they declare that they are delegated with most of the responsibility like karrigan we can call value the igls as much as we do right now Tldr coach > igl in most teams
2023-09-21 13:45
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thats why c9 are top 1
2023-09-21 13:46
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Yup exactly That's why hltv thought nafany was the problem but even with the huge firepower upgrade somehow we aren't living in a c9 era
2023-09-21 13:50
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bring papatronic back to rifle, install blad3 into the monitor
2023-09-21 13:55
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That wouldn't change things I'm saying groove deserves more spotlight now that nafany has been swapped for a better fragging igl and counter strike mind even though he has less experience igling. I'm not saying he was a better caller but being the 2nd best rifler of all time, surely he's not making brain dead calls all the time. At the very least it's probably neutral impact.
2023-09-21 14:07
they lost to the #1 and #2 ranked teams in playoffs of their first two events together lol. why are people acting like C9 has been some failure that drops out in groups? I don't think C9 is going to have an era because the upgrades they made aren't as big as people think. It's not prime electronic and perfecto is overrated, he's still just a support player. they certainly will be a great team and could win a tournament or two, even a major but an era is unlikely unless they get an actual upgrade to make them a super team like donk > hobbit.
2023-09-21 14:44
low elo post
2023-09-21 13:46
0/8 HooXi god
2023-09-21 13:46
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World Evil32167
+10000 HooXi upgrade G2 attack too much
2023-09-21 14:38
name checks out
2023-09-21 13:50
Waiting for the tiktok brains to get filtered so the real discussion can start
2023-09-21 13:51
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#21
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United States ViperXZ
I'm pretty sure you qualify as a "tik tok brain" as you don't understand central part of things which is just typical for your generation of people who simply don't possess wisdom and still talk a lot about things they have no clue about.
2023-09-21 14:37
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Tiktok brain was clearly a reference to the 3 word replies above who pride themselves on not able to have the attention span to read a few paragraphs. Forgive me for not making braindead bait threads and actually try to bring up something not discussed a lot Yeah it's ironic I bring up the moneyball point in which the fan knows jackshit what goes on behind the scenes but we have interview snippets to go off from and your flair is exemplary for why we give too much focus on igls Hooxi doesn't call m0nesy's rotates. He doesn't even call CT side. He thought pistol rounds were completely random until he learned from hunter they arent where they went to on a 70% winrate at their peak. He doesn't tell Niko to consistently deliver frags yard on nuke. He doesn't tell when jks should pop out of palace on the lurk. Likewise when the team is failing individually and m0nesy is whiffing all his shots that's not on the igl and I'm not going to fault him on that We should be pushing to treat igls more towards as individual players to judge rather than solely their calling. Let's look at their highly successful inferno, It's such a huge advantage to have the best banana player in the world because you can send the rest of the squad on A and have more trade potential. The opponents have to respect B and sometimes send their awp even though they know it's most likely just Niko. They first have to condition g2 by shutting him down multiple times to show that he can't solo entry against them so they can be more lenient and overrotate on A I don't really credit hooxi for igling that way. It's just logical counter strike. Hooxi has decent calling and conditioning but I think he is a highly replaceable igl because of his abysmal fragging. If g2 win everything I won't call him a top igl, if they lose everything I won't call him the worst igl as I know it's impossible for it to be all his fault
2023-09-21 15:22
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#28
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United States ViperXZ
Your huge mistake is that you think too plainly machinistic, objectively, humans are humans and hooxi is a guy who unites them, it's beyond the things you apparently seem to be able to recognize. "Hooxi has decent calling and conditioning but I think he is a highly replaceable igl because of his abysmal fragging." It's complete nonsense because if you would know, you'd know that before Hooxi G2 had multiple other IGLs who failed to deliver. You have no respect for igls, that's obvious by now, that's also why you fail to see how rare good igls are.
2023-09-21 15:52
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You can't seriously say that the g2 with Nexa,jackz and amanek is the same g2 with jks and an improved and experienced m0nesy with Niko in fantastic form. It was a miracle that g2 even got to the major finals with amanek on awp but sure, hooxi was the magic piece that without him they wouldn't even contend for trophies. I'm sure hooxi would have told amanek to awp as well as zywoo in order to beat prime s1mple. What an utter failure from Nexa. It's so pointless to compare the different g2 iterations that weren't in positions to win events and you know that perfectly well
2023-09-21 20:17
Bumping this thread Btw sent you a reply on your alt Or are you 10year'd on there as well 🤣
2023-09-21 22:31
Most teams? Really? Remove navi c9 vitality, all the other coaches are cheerleaders. Igl>coach in the server. Coach>igl outside.
2023-09-21 13:55
#9
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Argentina PauloDybala
FaZe without Karrigan went out in groupstages in Berlin.
2023-09-21 13:55
#11
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Germany s1kk_k46
yes the coach has to manage the structure and the basic tacital identity of the team. But the IGL is reliable for ingame decision that have to be made during the game and they need to adapt every round, coaches make the the tactical identity, IGL´s are taking that identity and adapt it to every enemy, every round.
2023-09-21 13:58
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But in scrims you are constantly training the team what mid round reactions you want them to do at different scenarios. It's up to the players to manage the micro, like being aware of the possible off angles, if there is a strong possibility the anchor will play an awp so you have to jiggle or peek differently etc It's not faceit where you do random shit and moves/plays you havent practiced for in the most important parts of the game (early round, defaulting and most mid rounds) Pugs helps you with the micro and the clutching but that's not on the igl.
2023-09-21 14:15
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#18
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Germany s1kk_k46
the task of the igl isnt to tell every player every move, so the coach isnt either. both want to get every player in their most comfortable position to make them get the best possible outcome. the coac tries to make it as good as pos in a theoretical scenario while the igl makes adjustment during the game with his own view and the player input every match. p.s someone calling in pugs isnt a igl and no matter how good of an igl youre you wont have a huge impact with calling during pugs. it will help if youre really good but for the most, its just not possible to do so since you cant pull any real tactic or build a system or know any player in a pug, if youre with players you can work with on a proper level they should mostly be aware enoguh for them selfs for the most part if were talking about pug calls. in most cases its just a direction as a team that might help to gather players but every player with a decent understanding of a game can do that :D
2023-09-21 14:39
Naa IGL are very good on the day. Some players need to be told instructions others like to be free to do how they please. however every map is different any depends on the time of day and the team they play. Some IGL have made massive calls that seem unorthodox and they pay off.
2023-09-21 14:04
Im not reading that
2023-09-21 14:21
Girls are important
2023-09-21 14:35
+100 agree with ya
2023-09-21 14:43
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