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All respectable pros including s1mple ropz, m0NESY consider this game unplayable to say the least.
youtu.be/6f5fEgSRAKg Should I even say how Valve outright lies straight to our faces?
And there are still someone who defend this game. Unbelievable
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+1 the pros would prefer an ultra high skill ceiling because its their job to be good at the game but 80% of the player base just wants a fun competetive shooter and they dont have 14hr/day to grind cs.
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With an entirely different engine that was never a possibility. You couldnt make a 1 to 1 cs:go replica in unreal, frosbite or iw engine either. The "feel" of csgo came naturally, they just made a game and that's how it turned out, but with cs2 they can thecnically make the same game (same size hitboxes, same gamespeed, same everything) and it would still feel different, and from that point you can fine tune the new game to emulate the feeling of the old one, but is that really worth it? 5 years from now even if they leave cs2 as is people will eventually get used to it. It's not like god himself created csgo as the best possible fps game so i dont get why cs2 should be the same.
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There are a million fun competitive shooters that you can play instead if you feel that way. CS is and has always been an esport, normies come and go but the people that stay are the people that care about the game, and it's those people who's opinion matters. Designing the game with the pro scene in mind is how it has been able to stay alive for 23 years.
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They are getting paid, simple as that. Not to mention they are mm players and mge at best
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Hes getting paid by riot to talk shit about volvo, he would know something about that.
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+1 these 2000 elo clowns think they know more about gameplay than ropz.
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Man is actually Silver 1 yet thinks he should have an opinion
Isn't this the same clown that battened down against Richard Lewis's report that CS2 was coming out and then refused to apologise/stop being a retard when it actually did? It's amazing that someone can get proven so completely wrong about the one thing their online presence was dedicated to yet still retain such a large base
Its not unplayable, its a good game but replacing csgo with this any time soon would be a huge mistake imo and hurt the competetive scene a lot
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imho the tweet is referring that Valve is releasing as open beta and take some data from it and make changes accordingly. And release the full game october or something.
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valve tied their own hands with reshceduling whole cs calendar for 2023/2024.
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yeah.. we will have to wait for CS 2.6
We expected it to be better, not worse
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In all my years of CS, I never wanted this source2, I don't care about graphics and I knew Valve's ability to ruin things, making stupid updates since 2014,
I don't carry this guilt
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+1
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I thought it too. When i returned to cs go after 2 weeks of cs2 i immediately noticed the worst graphics but thats it. The movement is faster and more precise, the shooting is responsive. The game just feels good.
Afterall we play cs for the gameplay, shini graphics are needed to attract new players but if the game feels ass....
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You are not wrong, i belive in 6-12 months if they manage to fix the subtick feeling, good anticheat and a reason to grind (pro players on top of leaderboards, not 5 stack or cheaters) this game will be the best cs version ever.
Right now, no thanks. I hope valve dont force it on the pro scene this week. Wait actually i hope valve does, i will enjoy the clown fiesta.
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This so much. Subtick and 64 tick is fine. I saw a video, that explains the weird feeling really good. Its because animations are not synchronized with the shooting registration. If they fix it it will be fine again.
I hope they make premier mode for solo/duoq, otherwise it wont be competitive. All top players have like 80%+ winrate, because they are just grinding fullstack.
Anticheat will be interesting, i hope its good.
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Who the fuck do you think you are? You're just another retard crying about the game, as if it's going to change anything.
Get over yourself and deal with the fact CS2 IS playable, whether you like it or not, and it will come out next week and kill CSGO.
You can cry like the little bitch that you are all you want, but it won't change anything.
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Yea man it's playable. And casual players might even enjoy it more than CSGO. But in it's current state it's way worse than CSGO and it's going to replace it. It would be a disaster to make it take over csgo in it's current state when it lags behind in every part of gameplay except smokes
csgo looked pretty broken in early years, idk how it compared to 1.6 for competitions tho
They said so because CSGO was dogshit compared to 1.6. Pros and other people have to keep giving feedback or valve won't either change anything, or they will make it worse. We're talking about a company that gave the community a 800$ awp pistol at one point before 99% of the community told them it's a shit idea.
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And its totaly fine to pro players give feedback etc
My point just was that we need to give it a time csgo was bad at the beginning and after it was great and it will be with cs2 as well
I just dont understand why so many people complaining about it here… no member of valve is going to read it here
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Well. It was natural for csgo to be shit at the start if you go take a look at how different the 2 games look. CSGO was a massive upgrade graphically, and they completely reworked everything. Maps, guns, everything. It's not the same case with CS2. They had many years to do it right, and it's like CSGO 2.0. Very similar. But somehow, by their own choosing, they haven't made many upgrades. Smokes, nades and graphics are the only upgrade I can think of quickly. Everything else is a downgrade, and this game is supposed to take over csgo very soon. 1.6 and csgo were 2 different games and it took a long time for people to swap from 1.6 to csgo.
I have no doubt that CS2 will be great eventually. But right now it's everything but, and it's supposed to completely take over CSGO very soon
So it's very natural to people going "wtf?"
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ofc he does
everyone with a brain knows that cs2 is unplayable and not ready for anything except the most casual matches
its just the 10% of bots that like it
what I get from the 2nd video, is that only pros are able to tell the difference between 64 and 128 tick. Neok is a very good player and he got it right less than half the time
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that is true.
But I can't help but feel like the entirety of HTLV feels like 64 tick is so shit and unplayable, because of course all HLTV users are pro
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did you watch the 2nd video? the entire point was that a level 10 faceit player couldn't even tell the difference and that only ropz, a real pro, was able to get it right most of the time. Like, the evidence was right there, and sure it was only a sample size of 1 player but "can't believe that these clowns think that only pros can notice the downgrade omfg" is a bit misplaced here
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haahhahahahaha ok, ropz is right and I, as level 10 player, indeed can't tell the difference because ropz said so
alright dude, I get that ur a matchmaking player but come on, you gotta swallow a pill that 64tick is foremost unplayable because of the feeling that you are playing on 50 fps, but again who am I to say that, when only Ropz can notice that
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If you say that you can feel the difference, I believe you, but when Neok had it right less than half the time, you can't help but think that it was not noticeable for him.
"I, as level 10 player, indeed can't tell the difference because ropz said so" why would you even say this? This has nothing to do with anything that I said? It is not that ropz said that "average" players can't notice it, I am saying that the evidence in the video suggests it.
I get your argument that 64 tick is like playing on 50 fps, which sounds reasonable, but I would love to have natosaphix do this test with other "average" players to see whether it actually makes a difference or not. Maybe you can hit him up :D
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I get it, but you shouldn't bring it up like it is a fact because you know it isn't, he can't be saying all those things in everybody's name, he can say that as an assumption or his opinion, but stating that only pro players can tell the difference whatsoever is at the very least dumb take
I believe that both nato and ropz know that majority of the faceit players feel the difference otherwise they would be playing matchmaking, maybe they were just misunderstood or maybe just expressed themselves in a wrong way
I haven't watched the video yet as I'm still at work, but will do it afterward and then I guess I'll see what it is about
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ahh okay yeah understandable, the first 1/3 of the video is basically a blind test with Neok, the second 1/3 is a blind test with ropz. Here, they are shooting at some bots and try to guess whether it is 64 or 128 tick.
Yeah you're right about the fact that players would otherwise play matchmaking.. so there has to be something of a different feel I guess.
Would be nice if valve unlocked the tickrate in cs2, if especially the pros feel a significant difference.
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I don't really know either :/ but for cs2 maybe faceit wasn't able to pay enough money for the cs2 version so valve decided to hardcode the 64 ticks to try and keep more people on their MM and premier lol, who knows
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Kinda think of 64 vs 128 ticks the same way as playing on 60hz vs 120hz monitor, the difference is immense when you are playing competitively.
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yeah he talked about how the short bursts with the AK produce a slightly different sound at 64 vs 128 tick, like wtf lol
I just think that most people here have a confirmation bias, they see 128 tick and think: "yeah for sure, I can feel that my bullets are registering way better"
Nevertheless, it is very weird from valve to lock all servers to 64 tick if there is no bypass, why wouldn't you want the best servers for the pro players?
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ahh okay, to me it sounded like he said: "the sound cue when bursting is slower, or not slower but at least different". If the time between bullets is actually different, that's a pretty big problem I reckon (I haven't tested it so I can't say)
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ye it might be that ak ha a set firerate and it may be the case that its not in sync with the tickrates so at some intervals shots are not "hitting the ticks", which can possibly mean that these off sync intervals are different on 64 and 128 ticks.
but if that is the case then it has to be very minimal but still noticable
if youre interested in sound design that can be a similar effect to the chorus effect
but again I'm just theorizing and not actually making a point here so dont@me
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ohh yeah sure there is a 15 ms interval between ticks on 64 tick, might be just enough for the ak shots to not be spaced evenly like you say.
I will take a look at the chorus effect!
Ofc any sane person realizes that CS2 is nothing but a garbage.
Dayz is , still and will be on beta/apla forever
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I just wanted to know what's the problem with cs:go? graphics ? the game is fine, they canceled a second major of the year, because of this senseless idiocy, they canceled operations, and caused confusion in the community and the professional scene thanks to this shit
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yes, but if its not ready they had no reason to rush the release. they could have not cancelled the second major and released the game next year.
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its not unplayable or anything, but csgo is way more refined and competitively tested. teams are going to get at best two months with the game before rmr qualifiers begin in january. there will likely still be issues with the game during that time. horrible planning by valve.
Def not as bad as some make it out to be BUT I also think it’s genuinely not ready for play at a competitive level where people’s livelihoods are at stake. I hope next week is just open beta then they work on it for 1 or 2 more months
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Yeah, you probably also fail at understanding the intricasies of game logic and netcode?
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since you understand, explain why 128 subtick is not possible
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Where did I say I understand that? I dont:
1) Care enough about CS2 to figure it out.
2) I'm not into game development and I wouldn't want to be either.
There's just the fucking theory I have, that Valve does maintain a lot of servers and 64 ticks makes their load lesser, and you get more servers apps on a given server, hence mitigating the cost of running servers. This is my theory. I might be wrong, however.
Why should they do something nobody but "pro" gamers whine about and the bootlickers join them in whining about something like 64/128ticks which is badly understood and nobody cares except the idiots who play it a bit too much? It's a game not for progamers but for us, the people. Why is this so hard to comprehend? It's not a game that belongs to you or your favourite progamer, but the fucking normal players. The concept of shitheads like these pro people is bogus, since they can't comprehend the operation of the game. It's like a room full of idiots, and nobody knows anything about the fucking issue at hands.
This takes me back to the CS1.6 players talking about how shit CSGO was back in 2012.
Suck it up, it's just nostalgia, CS2 is the better game.
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I want to change my name but option is gone now but if it had the option it would be AtlasJoC so I can be cool as fuck just like you :D.
Y mad?
typical comparison of a person who has no idea what he is talking about, nice joke
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It was a joke, it's called sarcasm.
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You don't know what sarcasm is don't you?
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this lol
did yall even watch the video
Agreed with all of the James' takes
Hello Jame, we love you
"Unplayable" isn't correct but I still highly doubt that the game will be released this year.
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Rmr quals start in January. We will get a game in barely playable state in following weeks unfortunately.
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Yeah, I forgot about that.
+1 nobody is talking about this. we will 100% see some drama around game bugs when the quals start. also, teams are going to have almost no time to practice the new game beforehand.
If Jame can't win, someone else will. That's the beauty of it.
That's why f0rest is not the best csgo player in the world anymore.
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f0rest was never the best in cs:go, and he was better when the game was starting when he had some features that were nerfed later
hes not even exposing anything? lol
Every pro was complaining about csgo in beta too
cs2 is so fucking frustrating to play, matchmaking is one of the worst i've ever seen in any game
goat loba did it first but everyone hated him.
unfortunately for haters truth is objective
Test looks flawed and are confirmation bias - at least as we do not see the full video of the test. Not that I disagree with what would be the hypothesis, it's just that the test is flawed from what the video shows.
- Ropz burst/sprays to identify the tick but others only tapped (normal gameplay people would burst and spray too)
- 10 or 30 tests may be subject to random answers from the people who may not be able to determine which tick it is as they are too little of a sample (flip a coin 10 times, sometimes you won't get the expected 50/50)
- The subjects are in communication with the conductor, which can skew results
- May be an argument about delivering a different number of tick tests to each subject. For example it would be possible one gets only 64 tick tests, and lets say they got them all correct, it does not mean they will be correct when given a 128 tick test until actually tested. This can be made worse because of low no. of tests
Did you even watch the video? In the end, he says it will be a legendary game if Valve does three things:
1. Tickrate
2. Anticheat
3. Good ranking system
But CSGO does not have either of the three and is still a legendary game.
Also, at some point, he said, "This game is free so your expectations are your problems."
So there you have it, CS2 will be a legendary game anyway.
Keep crying tho, I enjoy watching!
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Plot twist, VALVE will do none of the needed things... just keep it casual to compete with valorant and launch more operations and skins to milk the game... CSGO achieved the needed changes you numbered via 3rd parties, same ones that CS2 will basically force to downgrade to their "standard"
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CS2 is much more casual in terms of gunplay than csgo mate, don't know what game you've been playing but you have the same shitty peekers advantage + run and gun in cs2 than you get in valorant.... they even killed sprays to a point where you have to burst and tap like in valorant as well.. (this one might be fixed soon hopefully)
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Nah, its not. In fact its far harder now to even spray with certain guns like AK. You might find it easy because you play with randoms thru a beta matchmaking. They didnt killed sprays thats a BS statement. They changed it so you need to actually train it a bit till you get used to it. Try tap me and see what happens if you miss.
Valorant is the epitome of casual CSGO, not even close with CS2. Lets chill game is in beta
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It's harder to spray basically because even the pattern is the same the spread is random after the 4th-5th bullet which is the same in valorant lol, they didn't change spray pattern they just literally ruined it... the peekers advg summed up with the netcode and shitty svs literally makes the gunfights a coin toss... game is not even close to csgo standards and not even close to valorant either, as the latter has at least 128tick and a decent anticheat (even tho is a chinese rootkit)
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In Valorant is super easy to tap heads because the head hitbox is HUGE. Also the maps in valorant are close corridors which make shooting really easy and in valorant there is NOT accuracy range at all. Also everything is automated from smoking to flashing to killing from walls etc .. I mean come on, dont bring Valorant in this discussion when it comes to gameplay. Valorant is for casuals.
The spread is not as random as you think, personally i had to mildly change my spray pattern and it works so i wont say ruined, i would say not as effective .. yet.
Now for 128 tick i agree. The ridiculous claim and excuse of " many people will be screwed " is a stupid excuse. If it worked with Valorant it can work with CS2 comparing the population playing . Subtick is not as good and it needs more work.
CS2 is still in beta, Valorant and CSGO are out for years. Everything will get there. Valorant is not CS, is a CS mod. It will never be a CS subtitute for CS2 for CS fans. Its easy, its cheesy and 128tick servers or better anticheat is not enough of a reason to me to move there. I did try it for a month and the overall experience was BAD.. plain and simple.
valve will not do any of those things. our best hope is to bug Elon Musk on Twitter for a CS clone with 128 tick servers an anti cheat and no stupid grandma+grandpa agents.
I’m not booting up the game until it feels as good as csgo, might take a month or two years, who knows?
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Sadly same for me... I even upgraded my pc to get 300-400fps but everytime I play that game I can't even finish a match without feeling deeply underwhelmed by the feel of the game, super demotivating tbh
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if you actually watch the video he's not destroying cs2 at all lol.
"when so many things is good you say nothing but soon as they do something bad its oh valve is shit corporation they dont care, the game is free by the way, nobody owes you anything"
"the game is actually dope" - jame words
i cant tell if you didnt watch your video or if this is a social experiment to see how many hltv users don't watch the videos
edit : cowboy bebop reference and tokyo ghoul slander ? this guy is actually the goat I'm becoming a jame fan
csgo was fine af idk i hate that they brought cs2
Is watching a 16 minute video really too much for you? You couldnt focus and watch the video for 16 minutes and hear the dude out? Like cmon has tiktok messed your brain up to such a point that only 16 minutes are enough for you to say "boring wont watch"???
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i dont use tiktok but why should i waste 16 minutes or in other words 2% of my daytime to watch a guy complaining about a game he doesnt like lmao
I believe in Loba supremacy. :prayGE:
Pros said the same when csgo came out and wanted to stay at 1.6, pros said th same when valve added molos, pros said the same when they choose overpass and cbble for the mappool, pros said the same when skins came out, pros said the same when the first awp nerf came out
And pros will always cry for any changes sure cs2 is not good as csgo right now but as always in cs the update needs to release for everyone and played at t1 level to find balance and what need to change
reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/5r..
quick reminder that 99% of pros called CS:GO terrible in the begining
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