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Woman pro CS
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Ukraine graveyard_dancer 
So many orgs opened their female roster in last few years: NIP, Ence, Gamer Legion, G2, Virtus Pro, Furia, when there is no big tournaments happening for them, most of those team are stuck in lower tiers of Esea (open,main,advanced) and have like 2-3 hltv tournaments in 6 month with 1 big from Esl , or maybe charity event, so what's the point of having to pay 6+ salaries, and for this team to be in top 150 of world ranking
2023-09-24 09:21
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United States Virgin Islands bazovik
2023-09-24 09:24
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#55
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Germany Teuton1813
xD
2023-09-24 11:34
lmaooo
2023-09-24 21:36
#119
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Italy Hema
lmao
2023-09-24 22:03
XDDDDDDDDDDDD
2023-09-24 22:33
Also, me saying that they will be stuck in top 150 is overestimating , best female team rn (Nigma galaxy) is ranked 182
2023-09-24 09:26
7 replies
navi is 178
2023-09-24 10:04
2 replies
yeah, my bad, before nigma was best team, but i guess its not the case anymore and navi took their spot
2023-09-24 10:07
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nigma still best, lol, they won all female tournaments and haven't lost to navi javelins, xd
2023-09-24 12:21
because they only can farm points from 2-3 events every 6 months, and those "ranking points" are not as big as ESL, BLAST or even CCT events by far: 1 Region ESL Impact League / 6 months (Online) 1 Global ESL Impact League finals / 6 months (LAN) 1 IESF / year (and they play representing the country, not their org) Some region Cash Cup This is not a promising events list :(
2023-09-24 10:49
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#30
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Poland Turtezin
its not like they can't play CCT open quali to farm points but random 5 stack will rekt them
2023-09-24 10:58
1 reply
True
2023-09-24 11:20
Although they may be ranked 182, there are far more than 182 male teams out there that are better than them. Tbh they shouldn’t even show up on the ranking
2023-09-24 21:48
#3
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Argentina jturi
Hello! I really don't know, but I think that men's sources of income may be totally different from women's. For example, with women teams, orgs mayby earn income from other sources: small advertisers? + social media content? (IG, TW, FB, YT) + live content? (twitch, yt), + others thigns. Adding that they have already designed the entire structure: equipment, personnel (psychologists, nutritionists, etc.) and a lot of tournaments that are LAN so there is really no expense: girls connect from home. A simple point of view :) All the best!
2023-09-24 09:28
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#108
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Finland Khroni
These players remain nameless and faceless because hardly anyone sees them after the announcement they have been signed, and engagement with social media posts alone isnt enough to offset the brainrottingly high salaries How many fe players can you name off the top of your head? I can literally only name mimi, zaaz, and the two dutch ones from NiP Impact with the weirdly spelt names If no one knows of these players, no one cares, and if no one cares, there is basically no profit
2023-09-24 21:43
#4
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Sweden souI
i get org like g2 doing it cuz they easily afford but i dont know why small orgs do it, i guess the salaries arent as good as u think
2023-09-24 09:30
The only reason for female eSports to exist is matchfix. That explains why so many orgs waste their time and money. I can't think of anything else tbh.
2023-09-24 09:34
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you cant think of anything else because you are probably not very smart
2023-09-24 11:16
8 replies
You can't take the truth, it's okay.
2023-09-24 11:38
7 replies
what truth?
2023-09-24 11:41
6 replies
If you can't comprehend English then don't even try to get into an argument. The truth is pretty obvious as explained in #5
2023-09-24 11:46
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Can you prove they use their female rosters for match fixing? What site allows you to bet money decent enough for orgs to be worth to sign entire roster just to fix their matches?
2023-09-24 11:48
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#67 Do you want me to sign up in all betting sites to check? Chinese ones usually have the highest,but some European as I mentioned PM have a somewhat high limit. As for match fixing you are either delusional or in simple protection mode. 322 in eSports happen constantly in tier3-4, people get banned and there are plenty proven fixes in dota 2 tier3 on YouTube. Hell even in real sport where TENS of thousands dollars can be placed there are serious cases of fixing(Bolivia closed their professional league of football because of that this year lol, China banned 2 pro basketball teams for match fix, and you could bet 50k Euro on those matches) . Now think of eSports. So do you research, before talking kid
2023-09-24 12:06
If he could prove it, then there wouldn't be any matchfixing at all, dont you think?
2023-09-24 21:37
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Was there a case where tier1 org were involved in matchfixing?
2023-09-24 21:39
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uhhh...no org ever tells its players to matchfix, but to pretend that tier3 counter-strike is NOT bombarded with raging matchfixing would be absurd, i don't normally bet, i only bet for majors and i only enter 5$, thats my rule for betting. If i had friends in the semi-pro german or bulgarian scene, i would be making so much money i wouldn't even have to work a day for the rest of my life in Argentina, the lower tier male scenes of these countries are half-legit, half-cheater/matchfixer (again, i have NEVER put a cent into a domestic german or bulgarian online match) , to pretend like female pro cs, which is way lower level than that, is fully clean and legit is just pure fantasy. I would agree with you if you said that the organizations aren't actually setting up the fixes, but let's just say that they are not trying to clean it up neither, you and i know how dirty the gambling at these levels are, you think they dont?
2023-09-24 21:43
ok, and which company give high limits for women games?
2023-09-24 11:40
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2023-09-24 11:41
2 replies
i mean idk, i never seen more than 300 euros for women games.
2023-09-24 11:43
1 reply
He's just deluded bettor that can't think about basic shit and every bet that he loses was because of matchfix.
2023-09-24 11:44
PariMatch - more than 1k$ in many cases. In China you can place even more.
2023-09-24 11:45
3 replies
So bet 1-2k on a match to get $500 once every 3 months when there are matches while you are paying x times more in salaries. Gotcha! Smart guy, you caught the orgs good.
2023-09-24 12:04
2 replies
Are you brain damaged? You can place hundred of bets everywhere that's how 322 works. You place as many bets as you can across all regions, that's how you profit from low limits. You can't be that stupid to think they literally place 1 bet on 1 site.... Do your research for once.
2023-09-24 12:17
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You are right, they only exist to match fix. It is profitable, and it is worth the risk.
2023-09-24 12:20
#6
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Wales Hi_Im_New
The salary is relatively low and they're probably playing tournaments that just aren't covered on hltv
2023-09-24 09:53
18 replies
#14
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Bhutan woogah
relatively low to what? the best teams in the world? thank god now let's see how much better paid the best female teams are compared to similarly ranked male teams
2023-09-24 10:09
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#20
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Wales Hi_Im_New
You are a few years behind the topic, catch up and then come back and maybe we can have a conversation
2023-09-24 10:20
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#22
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Bhutan woogah
no, this is still the case more than ever. female pros get paid a lot more than males at the same level and it's not even close
2023-09-24 10:21
8 replies
male pros at their lvl doesnt get paid or get 100-200$ per month lmao
2023-09-24 11:15
friend of mine playing for ac team one of the known orgs from baltic, and they offered to him 150$ per month + some stuff like mousepad or sometimes some periphery such like mouse etc. but for 150$ he need to grind and spend ~8+ hrs with his team and try to achiev something
2023-09-24 11:16
5 replies
your friend is getting scammed, someone tell him lmao
2023-09-24 11:18
4 replies
nah, his mates get pretty same offer, maybe he negotiate better offer, but i didn't talk with him about this since then ~(1-1.5month ago)
2023-09-24 11:19
2 replies
$150 per month for 40 hours a week is a scam, idc lmao. tier3 in my country gets easily over 2k a month
2023-09-24 11:21
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2023-09-24 11:21
but yeah if they pay like this, it's literally scam hah especially if you dont live parents who dont want to feed you if you dont work/going to school....
2023-09-24 11:20
source on this?
2023-09-24 11:17
how much attention similarly ranked male team gets? I mean esports is mostly about advertisment, not skill.
2023-09-24 10:44
#31
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Poland Turtezin
tbh they probably are earning more than 99.9% of the t4 teams and they can't even play in t4
2023-09-24 11:01
4 replies
#34
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Bhutan woogah
yeah thats my point. female cs is way overpaid already and some predatory men are already taking advantage of it
2023-09-24 11:06
3 replies
explain how its overpaid? skill level of tier3 - tier4 pros is irrelevant btw
2023-09-24 11:19
2 replies
#48
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Bhutan woogah
they're probably paid on par with male tier3, while performing like tier6
2023-09-24 11:19
1 reply
ok, how much are tier3 pros getting paid, and how much are tier1 female pros getting paid? how many ppl willing to invest into tier3 male events and how many ppl willing to invest into female events?
2023-09-24 11:22
my team who is currently orgless beat them 16-7 in ESEA Main and not to seem condescending or anything but the only rounds they won was because we did something bad, not because they outplayed us or something. so i would say males on their level currently earn $0 (they didnt even retain their ESEA Main spot lmao, they dropped out of the league with 3 wins and 9 losses)
2023-09-24 21:49
Optics? 50k for first place on the ESL LANs is really not enough, and convincing sponsors to pay up for a micro niche esports team that has 30 fans combined is hard.
2023-09-24 10:00
2 replies
#32
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Poland Turtezin
mb if other woman start watch esport/sport and cheer their team it would look better
2023-09-24 11:03
#110
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Finland Khroni
We may be able to tell in a year or so, since ENCE signed a woman's team and actually disclose their finances
2023-09-24 21:45
theres literally zero sense for a woman to grind her ass off in a video game for years and countless of hours infront of a pc when she can just focus on being pretty and developing her social media which will essentualy bring her all she wants given she doesn't look like a bison.
2023-09-24 10:05
7 replies
#10
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United States KhanQu3st
HLTV has no end to red pill incel takes lmfao.
2023-09-24 10:07
so what's the reason fur guys to grind their ass of a game when they can start a business and get more profit from it
2023-09-24 10:08
#15
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Germany Germen
You only see the few that actually make a living out of that but never see the hundreds of thousands that try it and fail. Besides "all she wants" is gonna be different from person to person, and money certainly is not everything one could want
2023-09-24 10:09
3 replies
See im not talking about money brother. It's validation and attention they desire the most.
2023-09-24 10:11
2 replies
so u think that they cant get validation and attention when playing game for Thousands of people ? And most of the time they are streaming when not playing officials
2023-09-24 10:16
#19
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Germany Germen
Even then, not everybody wants attention, especially not this type of attention. Validation to an extent but with the validation comes a shit ton of judgement as well
2023-09-24 10:17
You haven't seen the success and $$$ of Valorant Game Changers, which is, if you didn't know, a FPS: liquipedia.net/valorant/VCT/2022/Game_Ch..
2023-09-24 10:54
#12
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Bhutan woogah
female cs is amogus right now
2023-09-24 10:08
#16
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United States KhanQu3st
I would assume female players are paid significantly less than their male counterparts, and it's easy PR to roster a female squad. Not to mention the potential long term benefits of carrying a roster in a fledgling scene. Who knows, years from now the women's circuit may be much bigger, and having good relationships with the big name female players now could be invaluable in the future. And even if it makes no money, and 0 sense, I'm all for more people getting paid to do the thing they love, I don't see any downside as a fan of pro cs to orgs carrying female rosters.
2023-09-24 10:10
35 replies
+1
2023-09-24 10:21
#23
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Germany Germen
+1
2023-09-24 10:24
i can see that, good explanation
2023-09-24 10:25
#35
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Poland Turtezin
I would say that they get paid significantly more than their male counterparts, as a male with that skill lvl you woudn't even get paid at all
2023-09-24 11:07
26 replies
you are aware of what sex is, right? tier1 male pros dont get paid? or they get paid 20-50 times more than tier1 female players?
2023-09-24 11:27
25 replies
#56
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Poland Turtezin
woman t1 = male t5+ male t5+ = 0$ woman t5+ = probably lowest possible income but still more than male at that lvl (+ ofc somone need to pay for hotel and plane to event) even some male tems in t3 don't have a org lmao
2023-09-24 11:35
24 replies
i know its hard to understand (very advanced thinking, 2 digit IQ is sometimes not enough), but female t1 (best female players) = male t1 (best male players) differences between two sexes are obvious I think?
2023-09-24 11:39
20 replies
You have a brain damage if you think so. That is another level of delusion even for hltv standards
2023-09-24 11:42
6 replies
I don't think so, it's literal fact and that's why ENCE, G2, GL, NIP and other orgs are signing those rosters. These girls are tier1 of female CS, nobody their gender is a better player. Once they get same views as tier1 male CS, they will be getting paid the same money even if they are 5k elo lower on faceit than monesy or other males. Doesn't matter, but I understand you have no clue about business.
2023-09-24 11:45
5 replies
You have no clue what tier means, I see. Orgs are signing them either for matchfix or woke ideology to look trendy(likely both). That is a little truth that makes you butthurt, but it's the truth nonetheless. There is no business involved, female eSports is completely dead from business perspective, any sane person understands that the right move would be to invest more in male eSports and that would give you way better profit. It's just basics. Second of all, your theory of tiers gets crushed by a fact that women in CS compete together with men on Faceit(or well MM in cs2). Their "training" or semi-pro road to "pro" Is not separated from mens, unlike in real sports. The pro female players constantly play with men and even play rare tournaments together. That is why tiers are solely skill and performance based. That is why Faceit elo matters, because they are not separated like in real sports. I hope that is easy to grasp for your tiny intelligence.
2023-09-24 11:57
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Not going to bother reading all of it, you're being intentionally stubborn anyway. I guess you didn't notice males are not allowed to participate in female tournaments, you should do some research about that. Also tier3 male scene is filled with cheaters, so no one really cares about them and in no universe is tier3 worth investing into over female scene, every org knows this.
2023-09-24 12:03
3 replies
So you chose delusion instead of counter-arguments. Another femboy destroyed with facts and logics.
2023-09-24 12:08
2 replies
What arguments? You don't even have any arguments, you are just straight up making stuff up and claim them as facts lmao. There's 0 evidence of any female roster matchfixing and it literally makes no financial sense to sign 6 players to matchfix just to get 0 profit lmao.
2023-09-24 12:09
1 reply
Yeah no profit from putting hundreds of bets across all regions, we are talking about hundreds of thousands $ annually. You are so ignorant, it's insane.
2023-09-24 12:25
the sex comparison in a computer game is really dumb. there is no reason for segregration like in real sports. it's just a fucking marketing agenda and that's why it's annoying as fuck and female "pros" shouldnt get paid at all for that shit. it goes against any form inclusivity and equality, there should be no segregration in esports at all. they just get used because they are female for a marketing stint.
2023-09-24 11:54
10 replies
Actually, you are very wrong. there is difference between male and female even if it's just esports. There's been done a lot of research on this, maybe you've heard about things such as chromosomes and hormones and that females and males don't actually have the same brain, I mean surely you did, you are not just sharing your assumptions as facts online just to spread hate and misinformation about women on video gaming forum.
2023-09-24 11:59
9 replies
sure there is a difference but it seems neglectiable when we just talk about moving your mouse or controller and sitting in front of a screen instead of real sports where physicality plays a role. this whole "women esports" is a joke really. the only reason they are so bad right now is because they don't put in the same hours and dedication as all these young nerds and why would they have reason to when you can just live in your own bubble created for you. with computer games we have a chance to be as inclusive as possible and be an example that it works. when you play games it doesn't matter if you are shy, introvert, outgoing or not, solo or teamplayer, male, female etc. it all works together in some way and there is something for everyone. but again this chance is ruined by this marketing agenda. it doesn't matter what is right or wrong when we talk about money.
2023-09-24 12:06
8 replies
"sure there is a difference but it seems neglectiable" Well, it is obviously not neglectable if people who know more about this subject than you do decided to make female leagues and thus separate the scenes. You assume it was done for fun or what?
2023-09-24 12:08
6 replies
LOL as if this whole female league thing is based on scientific reports about differences between men and women in playing computer games (if there are any at all which i doubt, subject is barely scratched) how deluded are you
2023-09-24 12:09
5 replies
"as if this whole female league thing is based on scientific reports about differences between men and women in playing computer games" Yes actually, there are peer reviewed scientific papers about this matter, and it's obviously not just for computer games, but for other things as well.
2023-09-24 12:11
4 replies
show sources. there is so many bullshit "scientific studies" out there nowadays. you can't even trust most studies in actual relevant subjects without vetting everything. there can't be any serious study about this topic because it's simply not relevant enough to put much resources into it. the female league thing happen because it's just easy to copy real life segregration even if it doesn't make sense because you can market it as "pro female" and inclusivity while actually doing and causing the opposite. you talked about how business works, that's how it works. nobody does things because it's the right thing to do.
2023-09-24 12:17
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I never said it's not good business for orgs to make female rosters lmao, if it wasn't profitable obviously they wouldn't do it. I also don't see what's wrong with giving females their own scene if the biological sex differences are proven to exist in 238908 different studies lmao.
2023-09-24 12:18
2 replies
IT'S NOT RELEVANT IN FKN COMPUTER GAME
2023-09-24 12:20
1 reply
Flag checks out ig.
2023-09-24 12:21
reaction time? testosterone and competitiveness? There are many factors why women can't compete with men even in video games
2023-09-24 21:45
#88
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Poland Turtezin
best female players =/= best male players look at raiting best female team is what ? top 170 hltv ? best male team is what top 1 hltv ? open eyes ? ( I know its hard for a guy with 1 digit IQ KEKW) top1 female team is at skill of the t5 of male team so if you look at equality t5 male earn 0$ and their female counterparts earn some I would say good money Start looking at where are people in world ranking not where are they the best bc its bullshit
2023-09-24 12:20
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#104
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United States KhanQu3st
2023-09-24 21:38
bro t5? Nigma Galaxy (best female team) playing in ESEA Main, they're literally losing 16-6 to kids Just check their results play.esea.net/league/standings?filters[game]=25&filters[season]=220&filters[region]=2&filters[round]=regular%20season&filters[level]=main Tier 10 at best
2023-09-24 21:35
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#103
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United States KhanQu3st
You guys are misunderstanding what he’s saying. He’s saying if you compare tier 1 male CS salaries, to what would be “tier 1” of female CS, the salaries aren’t even close. He’s not suggesting they are similar in skill.
2023-09-24 21:38
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#120
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Poland Turtezin
Yes and No in the same moment. If you put everyone as a equal the best woman is just some t5+ in world ranking so its saying like t1 polish cs is not earning the same as NA t1 cs its just totaly non sens, I mean its true but there are reason for that. If you compare t1 women to t1 men yes there is diff in money because men : - are better (in the meaning of skill, huge gap even mix 5 faceit lvl 10 can rekt t1 woman in cs) - atract more viewers (no one want to watch bots playing) - men watch men playing, women don't watch women playing + probably some other stuff too
2023-09-24 22:05
"getting paid to do the thing they love" sounds about right.
2023-09-24 11:14
+1
2023-09-24 12:32
then maybe pay some money to 14 y.o kids every time when they destroy Nigma Galaxy 16-2 in ESEA Main. "I would assume female players are paid significantly less than their male counterparts" - teams from Esea Main or even top150 hltv don't get paid as much as Nigma Galaxy.
2023-09-24 21:30
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#100
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United States KhanQu3st
I’m referring to their respective counterparts, as in, tier 1 female CS makes significantly less than tier 1 male CS, and so on. Obviously lower tier male pros make less, but given how job markets work, that makes sense, among a number of other factors.
2023-09-24 21:36
Do you think the female teams shouldn´t get payed until they win something like top50-top100 teams?
2023-09-28 11:21
No big sponsor would be interested in an event that won't get views
2023-09-24 10:24
#26
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Israel RoyBenji
Liquid: -Nosee +Ana
2023-09-24 10:35
esg score
2023-09-24 11:04
1 reply
#37
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Bhutan woogah
that explains it
2023-09-24 11:10
"female"
2023-09-24 11:07
2 replies
#39
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Bhutan woogah
well, for the most part. it's only what, 3 impostors in the top10 female teams?
2023-09-24 11:12
1 reply
Yeah EU is chill, but NA is a shit show
2023-09-24 20:25
fe cs=joke /closed
2023-09-24 11:45
What's the point of any business ? Making money Money is not just tournament prize pools, money is also advertisement, sponsors, apparel and gaming gear, streaming , etc. E.g. Ana is adverising L'Oreal products Nigma Galaxy is sponsored by Etihad Airways and BMW
2023-09-24 12:12
women living life on easy more for real
2023-09-24 12:35
advanced? Only in NA, any EU advanced team will destroy Nigma Galaxy Every male player went through 100s of open quals, low tier teams, but these lazy bitches don't even play open quals, they get orgs, salary and invites just for being a woman. They're just a product of feminism. P.S. i like the idea of female leagues, but just be grateful for what you have and stop saying that women are oppressed in CS. And it should be women only, no olga and his gay friends
2023-09-24 21:16
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The capeless hero
2023-09-24 21:27
Maybe in the future there will be more FE tournaments? thats why they are starting to sign FE squads. But honestly i dont care, its their money they are burning. For us it should be good because if CS gets even more popular specially in twitch because girls are playing thats good for us and the health of the game
2023-09-24 21:35
Everyone who believe in female CS just check this play.esea.net/teams/8736941 ESEA MAIN 3 Wins/ 9Loses/ 2 FFW and this is the best team in Female CS But simps still believe that women can compete with men.
2023-09-24 21:40
there's always a point, they're not doing this out of charity that's for sure btw even charity itself does not have helping those in need as the main goal when we're talking about big companies, sometimes it's part of marketing, or a signal for the market, or tax cuts or many other non-obvious reasons
2023-09-24 21:49
Female leagues = most teams look like 80s heavy metal band, just dudes with long hair)))
2023-09-24 21:50
they can qualify to major or other big events but they cant its not because they are not allowed to play there they just cant qualify
2023-09-24 21:54
i would like to see best paid fe team vs worst paid mens team see how they stack up
2023-09-24 21:58
#117
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Italy Hema
who car
2023-09-24 22:01
Chicks suck at cs. Also nobody cares about women CS
2023-09-24 22:02
They should abandon CS and play Valorant at least Riot games will support the scene with regional league in all region.
2023-09-24 22:07
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