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Aruba defoliant 
in shambles again. The only hope is CoL carrying the flag. Dont take me wrong, turks played well and won it fair and square but holy shit, Liquid performance was so mundane. It looked like they had very limited list of ideas for the matches. Will cheer hard for CoL in playoffs. Gl to them.
2023-09-24 22:13
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"in shambles" liquid is mostly EU now, naf washed and osee always been bot COL is the new NA cs saviour
2023-09-24 22:14
38 replies
well, almost, i still perceive them as NA team for sure.
2023-09-24 22:16
31 replies
weird take
2023-09-24 22:16
#9
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United States Algezir
Nah they abandoned NA they can get the tier 3 EU moniker now
2023-09-24 22:17
they are not an na team mens. They are majority eu.
2023-09-24 22:18
25 replies
so C9 is russian team now?
2023-09-24 22:18
24 replies
uh yes?
2023-09-24 22:19
13 replies
uh no?
2023-09-24 22:20
12 replies
oh okay team of 4 russians isn't a russian team ok
2023-09-24 22:20
#23
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United States KhanQu3st
How is it not?
2023-09-24 22:21
10 replies
2023-09-24 22:29
9 replies
#30
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United States KhanQu3st
The org is NA, not the team, those are 2 totally different things.
2023-09-24 22:31
8 replies
just to test your reality check, 1 question for you: at some point (for several years) Arsenal had 0 english players in the squad. Was it still an english team?
2023-09-24 22:41
7 replies
Comparing apples and oranges lmao football and csgo are completely different games and the roster structure is nothing alike
2023-09-24 22:44
3 replies
how is it different? In both cases you found and org, you hire players to play for it, you pay salary to them, you carry out marketing and promoting, you participate in competitions against other orgs who do the same (founding, hiring etc.)
2023-09-24 22:46
2 replies
if you just simplify everything like that, it’s very easy to compare two very different things. Arsenal plays locally, CSGO teams play internationally, that’s the biggest difference. Arsenal is closer to an OWL/CDL team if anything. I’m from near San Francisco so I’d support San Francisco Shock, regardless of whether they have NA players or not, but I’d never support TSM despite them being from the US cuz they have a European CS team.
2023-09-24 22:50
1 reply
2023-09-24 22:56
#40
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United States KhanQu3st
Football clubs have stadiums they play in in local areas they represent, and are often actively involved in their local community. That is not the same as calling a team of majority Europeans, playing in Malta a NA team.
2023-09-24 22:45
2 replies
Many football clubs dont have their own stadiums and more often then not they play outside their areas, the only things football players represent is the their club logo on the shirt which says that "this player was hired by this organisation and meets all obligations which are provided by the contract clauses". Cs players more often then not play at the same area (bootcamp training grounds), also represent their orgs with the logos on their shirts and are involved in community all the time via Twitter or YouTube, or HLTV for that matter.
2023-09-24 22:55
1 reply
"Many football clubs dont have their own stadiums and more often then not they play outside their areas" thats simply not true teams that dont have their stadium will play on a public stadium from their city they play outside their area when playing against other clubs that will be playing locally thats the whole concept of "home" and "away" lol
2023-09-25 06:18
yeah? just because they're an NA org doesn't mean they're an NA team. if the logic of "NA org = NA team" was applied, Luminosity's major win was a win for NA.
2023-09-24 22:21
9 replies
I consider Luminosity winner to be NA team for sure. The only real ground for me in this dispute is where money comes from? (for salaries, marketing etc) and who are major share holders, and most importantly, what country an org is due to pay taxes. If all those conincide - then its easy to define. If not, for instance taxes are paid in US but main stock holders are from Saudi Arabia - then its partly US, partly Saudi org. As an org founder i can hire 5 monkey to play CS (all those monkey could be from different part of the worlds) but if i am a US org my team of monkeys will be considered to be NA team.
2023-09-24 22:29
8 replies
you're either big dumb or trolling hard
2023-09-24 22:47
so faze is na?
2023-09-24 23:25
#59
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Romania Hunortamas
Damn, this is either the biggest bait or you're actually mentally challenged
2023-09-24 23:31
Liquid is Dutch org?
2023-09-25 00:16
1 reply
partly Dutch, partly US yes
2023-09-25 00:58
the only thing that matters is the players
2023-09-25 01:07
by that logic Faze Clan is the one carrying the flag of NA CS
2023-09-25 06:12
Man you're putting a lot of effort into this
2023-09-25 18:39
bro identifies an EU majority team as NA, peak hltv
2023-09-24 23:52
1 reply
#67
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United States KhanQu3st
If they lose, they are NA, if they win, they are EU. Genius.
2023-09-25 01:21
#70
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United States Azaqa
NA team with 3 EU players that live and play in EU... ok
2023-09-25 01:23
Naf washed is the most braindead thing I've seen all day.
2023-09-24 22:19
2 replies
flag
2023-09-24 22:20
1 reply
My flag certainly isn't Canadian :)
2023-09-24 22:20
stopped caring as soon as I read NAF washed. All that smog in the UK must be damaging your brain inb4 "flag"
2023-09-24 22:47
1 reply
#73
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United States Dust2lamb
+1
2023-09-25 05:47
#71
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United States Azaqa
NAF washed is hilarious
2023-09-25 01:24
That’s why they’re all playing valorant instead
2023-09-24 22:15
#4
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United States KhanQu3st
Liquid is an EU team, and CoL is exceeding expectations at this tournament.
2023-09-24 22:16
#6
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United States PRLiN
it's not NA, thus is your EU team now
2023-09-24 22:17
4 replies
#11
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United States KhanQu3st
EU fans still trying to pawn off Liquid’s losses to NA is hilarious lol
2023-09-24 22:18
3 replies
Somehow they always manage to blame NAF and oSee too in the process as if oSee and NAF aren’t their highest rated players at big events
2023-09-24 22:45
2 replies
#47
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United States KhanQu3st
I don’t know how you can watch Liquid play and think NAF is the problem lol
2023-09-24 22:49
1 reply
+1
2023-09-25 18:34
#7
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Portugal ReyZ555
col is currently carried by floppy if that guy disappears col is eliminated
2023-09-24 22:17
5 replies
first: over this EPL all members contributed quite heavily. second: why floppy should disappear?
2023-09-24 22:21
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#26
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Portugal ReyZ555
what i mean is if floppy has a bad game Col will crumble
2023-09-24 22:24
2 replies
its a moot point. What if S1mple has a bad game?
2023-09-24 22:32
1 reply
it's not a moot point. He's saying that Complexity needs better squad depth
2023-09-24 22:47
#44
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United States 1Tuurtle
it's funny cause Col considers Floppy their support player
2023-09-24 22:47
yeah i mean rn the best na teams are CoL m80 Wildcard Forsaken Nouns there really isn't a lot of hope in the scene atm
2023-09-24 22:17
7 replies
You missed EG :^)
2023-09-24 22:19
1 reply
YOURE RIGHT my bad
2023-09-24 22:21
if some of these players combine into one team, we could definitely have a team that could win some international matches. M80 just needs a better player in place of reck and malbs (malbs is really good at farming tier 2 but completely chokes vs tier 1)
2023-09-24 22:53
4 replies
i think the problem rn is that you kinda can't combine all the best NA talent into a "superteam" most roster moves would just be a sidegrade or a slight upgrade, not enough of a difference to justify shaking up team synergy etc. there just isn't a lot of outstanding talent atm
2023-09-24 23:24
#69
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United States KhanQu3st
Malbs and reck have been quite good, their problem is WolfY is a terrible Awper, and maNkz is a nothing at IGL.
2023-09-25 01:22
1 reply
eh, give another few months with maNkz. Wolfy however needs to be considered towards the bench in the future.
2023-09-25 18:38
M80’s actual problem is the AWPer. Wolfy sucks, but no other good NA AWPer available.
2023-09-25 18:37
Why are you calling Liquid NA? It's like calling Faze an NA team or Complexity an EU team lol They are EU's problem now, us NA fanbois can only hope oSee and NAF have good games because there is literally no connection to any of the other players. That team is one player away from having Russian comms brother.
2023-09-24 22:21
6 replies
+1
2023-09-24 22:21
#27
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United States PRLiN
+1
2023-09-24 22:27
#31
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United States KhanQu3st
+1
2023-09-24 22:31
2023-09-24 22:33
1 reply
Lmao I respect the troll but cmon brother
2023-09-25 18:30
+1
2023-09-25 18:33
Its not about NA CS bad man it is just EF is too stronk
2023-09-24 22:32
1 reply
EF played well, not gonna lie.
2023-09-24 22:33
#36
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Canada Lachance
Basic HLTV user doesn't know TL is an org from Netherlands KEKW
2023-09-24 22:34
7 replies
#51
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United States KhanQu3st
Are they really? I don’t care, but that’s interesting.
2023-09-24 22:54
6 replies
actulaly its true, i did not know that. And looks like they pay taxes in Netherlands too but most shareholders are from US. So i assume Liquid are indeed partly EU team lol.
2023-09-24 23:01
5 replies
#55
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United States KhanQu3st
They ARE an EU team lol, regardless of what you want.
2023-09-24 23:02
4 replies
haha, again, i mentioned all the metrics. You can believe this is a team from another galaxy, i dont care :)
2023-09-24 23:05
3 replies
#60
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Finland ThaMuse
It isn't a matter of what your opinion is, the definition is recognized by everyone in the scene. It's up to the players' nationalities. That's why Liquid is now an EU team an not an NA team
2023-09-24 23:37
2 replies
from my experience most people i met are pretty clueless so i am fine with that :)
2023-09-25 00:58
1 reply
hltv is as clueless as us smh hltv.org/team/5973/liquid
2023-09-25 01:22
NACS looking good today despite the col choke, it was a W to see Liquid lose seeing as they are not NA
2023-09-24 22:37
0/8 try again later
2023-09-24 22:50
#62
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Canada K1nGoldY
I guess then you should Write a letter to valve for giving back that 5th americas major spot that liquid took away with them To EU when they made a core of 3 EU players, since according to your logic Liquid is still America's team
2023-09-25 00:04
#72
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United States r0l4nd_
lulquid international team tho
2023-09-25 01:26
#77
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Turkey a45r
at this point save naf and yekindar and disband the rest
2023-09-25 18:32
Liquid ain't NA buddy
2023-09-25 18:39
save NAF
2023-09-25 18:39
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