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So let me give some context. I have always been a bodysprayer and it has really worked for me so far for 2 reasons.
I not trying to go pro and just playing for fun
I have amazing spray control and reaction time so I can usually win 50/50 duels since I always hit every bullet. I usually though prefer playing nerdy angles and playing "unfair" since that is reliable.
but even with this 30% is low af, lower than most AWPers even. Even after all this I can still frag hard and have a 59% winrate (all time). So is this still a bad thing or is winning only thing that counts?
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That just means your prime isn’t much tbh
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liquipedia.net/counterstrike/ZOREE ???
I know he is impersonating a pro 99% but still "his" prime is literally a pro player?
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oh i wasnt aware he is pretending to be some tier99 semi/quarter pro that no one has heard of, probably cus he didnt make it big given his 33% headshot.
sorry i was not know this details.
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$140,962
nuh said
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props to him then.
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not only that, he actually earned 140k in 8 years lol. thats actually terrible
known enough for hltv to make an article about his retirement
hltv.org/news/37009/zoree-retires-from-c..
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Duuude, c'mon. I linked you BlameF here and you go with this? And even now on HLTV Zoree has 47% still after playing with Allu
imgur.com/a/JMoFLdw
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also played rifle a lot + was rifller as well as AWPer in different teams + z0re1 is the nickname that ZOREE uses on 99% of platforms except on HLTV
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Except on rifle he has way higher %. Here's 2022 and 2023 for you
hltv.org/stats/players/8576/zoree?startD..
hltv.org/stats/players/8576/zoree?startD..
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idk wtf he is on but this is ZOREE's faceit:
faceit.com/en/players/z0re1
and steam:
steamcommunity.com/id/ZOREEjepz/
given his flag it's pretty obvious he is trying to impersonate ZOREE and that 33% he made up or is his (the faker's) HS percentage.
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OK? And what's FaceIt supposed to prove here? Still 40% imgur.com/a/p4DYqDR
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+1 that is what I was trying to say xaxaxaxa
that 33% does not exist or it's the fake account's own HS
np bro)) I hope you have a great day :))))
Alt accounts are impossible on jony e secured forum.
wow ranked #9 in europe that is pretty freakin good
Not nessesarily, there are even pro examples
hltv.org/player/15165/blamef
“I not trying to go pro and just playing for fun“
“I started playing CS:GO in August of 2012 on the Xbox 360, and I transitioned over to playing on Steam in late 2018. I joined my first team in 2019. I have competed in Counter-Strike and Quake tournaments held both online and on lan. Open to analyst or coach work, inactive as a player.”
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Yeah I do that for fun? By doing this casually I have made great friends and memories. I could never go full-time pro so I focus on my university degree.
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So then why are you asking if this is a bad thing? Of course it's bad. But it doesn't matter if you don't care
Obviously a stat means virtually nothing without context, but a higher hs% will likely lead to more entry duel wins, as you are (theoretically) reacting and killing faster. For example, YEKINDAR and Rain, two of the hardest entry pros, have 57% and 56% respectively, while a player like BlameF, who is often considered to be good, but extremely passive has crazy impressive stats, but only a 34% hs%. Obviously this correlation isn’t always the case, some entry fuels are won by timings, or pushing smokes, or frankly, luck. But I do think hs% is a huge factor.
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Yeah this shed some light and much needed perspective. I checked and have like 7% entry duel attempts but like 80% winrate in them xd massive passive player but I usually que with my buddy who is SUPER aggressive so it balances out for a 70% winrate :D
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7% is hilariously low. Even Jame has 12% opening attempts on T side so you are baiting a lot. If you win matches then it is fine but going for easy body shot farm is the smartest when you ar trading a lot
Yup, this is prob the best comment here
I have around 35%, global on MM, highest level in Brazilian faceit, but I´m mainly lurker / support.
So I don´t think 33% is a problem at all, depending the role you play.
I think it's also a lot to do with "panic" aiming, instant spraying means you're probably not anticipating the enemy at all and have bad aiming habits.
i have 18% and i'm global. Higher hs% can be a good thing, but at the end of the day what it matters most is knowing how to win games.
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global isnt even that good tbh, but rest I agree
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Ye, have to take it back. Global is in that case good, I was puting it more in relation with faceit lvl10 (2500+ elo).
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if below 40% and not an awper youre just bad
Im at 50% with occassional awping as its just too op not to use
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yeah i'm sure you're better than blameF because he has 30% HS. and also people with high HS usually just happen to be low avg players, the kind of teammates with 75% HS and 8/15 KD (6 kills being headshots). high HS is literally irrelevant.
with your logic screaM (78% HS) (1.09 rating) is better than ax1le (48% HS) (1.16 rating)
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Im 50% flat and I can tell you that one bullet is faster than 4, you may believe otherwise but I do not care, you also have higher multikill potential with more headshots but that should be intuitive.
BlameF has a lot of flank kills and with those spraying might be more consistent but it doesnt matter if youre to get traded you will
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Yeah I believe you but I not planning to grind super high elo cause not going pro so whats the point? Luckily around lvl 10 it has not been an issue so far :D
if your adr is good then you’re good
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i dont know how to find my average adr but my kpr is 0.81
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kpr is kills per round
adr =/= kpr
if you play against someone who insta headshots you then you lose. against easier opponents it's not a problem, obviously
if your spray control is amazing, how come the shots you spray don't hit heads? you're dead after the first kill?
people with amazing spray control can mow down opponents for multi kills, and often their spray is so good that they get headshots on moderate range even after multiple shots. so maybe your spray control is just sub-amazing?
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I never aim for the head and purposefully aim for the body. I usually play anchor roles and by aiming that way I usually get my kills even when I am having an off game/day. It is only 4 bodyshots to kill and if you play off angles you can 90% of the time get 1+ kill and delay or 2+ kills.
but yeah of course not "amazing" if you count amazing as in pro level. I can still hit headshots on pistols, I just never go for headshots with rifles.
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*on T-side I usually play with the pack and not going in fist but as second/third throwing the utility and carrying the bomb.
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yes it's a problem. it's hard to consistently multi-kill with a hs percentage that low unless you're playing bots that don't shoot back. you could easily get it into the mid 40s with minimal aim practice. maybe you need a smaller crosshair, maybe you need to lower your sens to be more precise, maybe you need to change your resolution.
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320 edpi :DDDDDD
800x600 bb
what do you recommend :D
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320 edpi? are you physically handicapped? if the answer is no, you're definitely mentally handicapped for using such a low sens. 540 epi is the lowest you should be using.
800x600 and not even stretched? I didn't know finland was a 3rd world country and you were playing on a 2nd hand 20 year old CPU. you should try moving to a first world country/getting a job, buying a modern PC and a 1440p 360hz monitor, then play stretched 1920x1440.
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Lmao, why so hard on some dude who got used to play like he did? How can you know if he has potato PC? And isnt having high sensitivity more handicapped since you dont need to move your hand that much? Or is having a high sensitivity like being broke or fat as a average american burger so you dont have enough space to have a large table and mousepad?
You see how flawless your logic is?
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nah, having extremely low sens is more handicapped because you don't have fine control over your extremities, which is why you can't play high sens. nobody should be lower than nikos sens and if you have the hand eye coordination to be precise with 1200 edpi then by all means use it. Im not even telling him to use high sens, im telling him to use a normal low sens lol.
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reddit is that way ---->
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I did it to add humor to the thread. you laughed at it. so who's the real asshole?
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Where you see me laughing? You had a good point, not denying that but the way you said it first was little off imo. You can deliver your point better without being hostile.
Even if you were joking in #74 the jokes were pretty bad considering you were trying to deliver a good point.
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scroll up and look at #89. what are they putting in the water in finland? your brains are drier than a biscuit after a long voyage at sea.
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you said "Lmao" in response to my post. not only did you laugh, but you laughed your ass off. my reading comprehension is fine. your memory is so bad, i'm left wondering if your brain is full of holes.
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So you are so dumb I have to teach you how to understand your own stupid and bad jokes.
If you want people laugh to your jokes and not to you as a person you need to learn how to make better jokes.
And to be honest, I didnt even laugh at you since it would be bullying to laugh at someone like you.
Sorry that I pretended to laugh since I didnt. You are not funny as a person and neither are your jokes.
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you laughed and now you're trying to backtrack. you're pathetic.
it doesn't make sense. Sensitivity, resolution and crosshair don't really affect the way people play. No matter what conditions, they are gonna play the same. This is all about genes. Some people just have superior muscle memory, inner reaction time, fine motor skills so they play great with 150 ping 40 fps 60 hz office mouse without mousepad, still like better than 99% of players with good gears. You can't just change settings to increase hs ratio. You will have to djust your brain somehow, say energy drinks or just go for a walk. But his gaming capabilites will be the same overall.
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false. the things I suggested have actual reasoning behind them to improve HS percentage.
it's easier to HS with a dot crosshair or very small cross. why? because it's easier to see the head while you're aiming. if you have an thick, old school crosshair with an outline, you're not going to be able to see the head while you're trying to aim at it from a distance.
I suggested lowering your sens because it's very hard to be precise with anything over 800 edpi. you have to be like you suggested, gifted, or have 10k hours practice/muscle memory. you can get away with high sens in shooters like call of duty because precision doesn't matter and body/leg shot ttk isn't that different from hs ttk, but for a game like CS, precision is king and that's why HS's matter. after 1 duel you're most likely going to be under 50 hp if you're a body shooter, good luck winning another duel while still body shooting.
as for res, it's much easier to spot heads at distance with higher resolution. OP is on 800x600, that's a blurry mess. I play on 1920x1440 and it's so easy to spot pixel detail at range. I guarantee you this plays a part in him aiming at bodies over heads.
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there are also certain scenarios you should be thinking of when to aim for headhsot or bodyshot. you need to find the perfect balance and choose when to use which.
for e.g, if you are clearing angles as a T, always pre-aim at head level. if youre holding 90 degree angles like tucked-in on inferno half wall as a CT, and you are expecting a wide swing you have two options: 1) pre aim crosshair further away towards right at head level 2) preaim at chest level but closer to the wall.
if you are holding from mirage ticket to a main with an m4 then it is long distance so i would go for bodyshot.
so yeah headshot/bodyshot is very situational and varies if you are holding an angle. but always preaim at head level when clearing angles without a doubt.
I played with a friend who always had 30-35% hs and all he did was body-spray.
He literally got stuck at faceit lvl 8. He's good player, he understands CS well but he simply keep loosing when playing against stronger players and I told him its because he's getting one tapped and he needs to go for HS but he doesnt listen.
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+1. I am not naturally tatalented in this game and I remember when I was a kid I had relatively high rank and I wonder that I used to play dm and to keep my aim on decent level and reflected on my game a lot. After all those years I don't want to do any of this shit and just play for fun so I can't consistenly hit those shots anymore and I am not even mad about it. And plenty of csgo players could be theoretically better at this game but progress requires some efforts but it's just a game after all.
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I am the low hs% player, I`ve managed to get 3600 elo. Hardstuck in 8th lvl is not about aim at all, it matters, but there are a lot of aimless players in 2k-3k elo lobbies.
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Sure but he's playing alot of those headshot possitions.
For example, body spray is fine if You hold doors on nuke but he wants to play mid on anubis for example and he's playing really agressive. He wants to spray down some1 and he's dead from awp or other guy insta HS him and he screams shit like "yea, sure, insta headshot"
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I actually play mid on anubis. Aim matters, but this position is more dependent on utility, spams, timings, movement. I think anchor positions depens on aim much more.
Not a problem many times when you have higher hs you have less kills and what matters are kills.
Im like b1t in terms of HS% lmao, I usually get 70+% with 25 kills but still lose because my team are bots
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Let me guess...crisp clean lock bois
tldr
if awping no
else if you are consistantly contributing to the team again no
else yeah
not really if you pull your own weight
Only u can answer to this question, if u find it a problem in ur games then it is one. I only play ones a month in low elo so there its not really a problem
dw man, many +60hs players are actually bad and care only about their hs :D, hs % doesnt tell ANYTHING about skill
Its very easy. You can be an amazing bodyshot player even in the pro scene aka blamef and naf. You will be more consistent but you need to play advantageous angles.
The problem is you will never be a true top aimer because you will lose 50-50 duels against them. Every top aimer is an insta hs.
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Well, that depends. If ypu look at zywoo for example he also sprays on body a lot but when he jas to hit head he somehow manages to hit head. Maybe its just an extraordinary understanding of when you can die fast and when not or just a coincidence. But there are a lot of fights where you dont necessarily need to headshot, especially if you are a more passive player who plays a lot around good offangles, good timings and other advantages.
hs% is not relevant, if you are a good teamplayer and get the job done with and for your team, then who the fuck cares. people saying otherwise is probably the same people that thinks stats is important in this game without watching other factors such as flash-assists/general utility-usage, positioning with teammates, in-game IQ. so many players can shoot headshots like gods, but they do SILLY mistakes that will never make them tier1
"I not trying to go pro and just playing for fun"
If you're having fun, just keep doing it. Enjoy life my friend
Sounds like massive skill issue
HS % should 55 at worst
Not at all but u could just try aiming a bit higher. But high hs% fpr a lot of players usually means that they just cant hit anything if they dont hit head becaise their spray is ass. So if you feel confortable in your spray and play a blameF style when it comes to playing "ratty" (good) angles and positions its all good.
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True. High hs players always die without any damage and have less adr in average. I`m the body sprayer, I have around 90-100 adr with around 0.7-0.8 KR usually, because after every fight I hit the enemies. But 99 in 4 situations are so fucking real, so many times I choke kills with 1hp, it`s embarassing.
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I mean getting kills with hs is usually better than not hs people, you just need to be good at both. But for me some days i have games with like 25 kills where i have 10% hs. On other days i cant kill anyone so i have high hs but low kills and on most days its balanced but i could win more duels if i was better at movement and shooting
I have the same story. 40% hs, 3500 elo rifler. Used to have even 25% when I has 7th lvl.
Let me guess, 16:9 player
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It's no problem if you're a baiter, play it safe, etc.
As someone who plays entrying/rushing every round I need at least 60-75 when not awping
But my guess is that you are low lvl. Bodyspraying won't work vs better players mate
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blameF
/closed
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won't work vs better players mate if you don't bate the shit out of your team mates*
who gives a shit about hs%, look at the old astralis lineup - no one gave a f*** about hs% and still dominated
The logic is, if you're at an advantage in the gunfight (positioning, weapon, reaction time etc.) then spraying for body is better but if you're at a disadvantage or going for a hard entry you should always shoot HS.
It literally comes down to playstyle, it's why the best openers have the highest HS% and the best closers have the lowest.
As long as you're winning and being impactful for your team it's all that matters.
Also, you said that you prefers playing nerdy/unfair angles and that could explain the low HS%. Because you're playing weird and unfair angles you're more likely to kill ennemies in the back or in awkward positions, thus you don't need to try to get an instant HS on first bullet, thus you just spray them in the body to make it reliable and secured kill.
You can live without it, a few pros have rlly low hs, I myself also have low hs, but I feel it's only become a problem lately that I'm getting into higher elo where I'm often peaking and more often I'm getting hs fairly quickly where if my first bullet accuracy to the head was better I would win way more duals I feel
If you're playing pubs and even if you're GE or even if you were top of faceit at least you know what you probably need to work on. If you're not going pro it doesn't matter, but if you want to improve at your hobby you can figure out things to assist in having better initial aim, then moving towards your spray.
hs% is probably the most useless stat
Seems pretty low, but if some tier1 riflers can get by having ~40% I wouldn't necessarily think too much about it
yes
LMAO bot
if u have amazing spray control just spray for the head. Kills them faster and increased HS%
good, bad, helpful not helpful, who cares?
Do you have fun playing the game? Do you think it's holding you back? Those are the only two questions that matter. And there are much more important stats than hs%. A 7% opening duel attempt rate will hold you back more than a 30% hs rate. Either way, unless you think you're losing head to heads (like on t-side if you watch demos if you lose 50/50 fights when u peek into them) then it doesnt matter, keep playing and enjoying the game.
if it worked for hltv.org/player/15165/blamef
then u are ok
Why do you even care if you're playing for fun? And if it doesn't bother you then it's not a problem.
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