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is 30% HS problem?
i am | 
So let me give some context. I have always been a bodysprayer and it has really worked for me so far for 2 reasons. I not trying to go pro and just playing for fun I have amazing spray control and reaction time so I can usually win 50/50 duels since I always hit every bullet. I usually though prefer playing nerdy angles and playing "unfair" since that is reliable. but even with this 30% is low af, lower than most AWPers even. Even after all this I can still frag hard and have a 59% winrate (all time). So is this still a bad thing or is winning only thing that counts?
2023-09-25 06:14
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Finland z0re1
no, had 33% non-awp and 33 avg in my prime
2023-09-25 06:18
22 replies
That just means your prime isn’t much tbh
2023-09-25 07:10
20 replies ??? I know he is impersonating a pro 99% but still "his" prime is literally a pro player?
2023-09-25 07:35
19 replies
oh i wasnt aware he is pretending to be some tier99 semi/quarter pro that no one has heard of, probably cus he didnt make it big given his 33% headshot. sorry i was not know this details.
2023-09-25 07:37
8 replies
$140,962 nuh said
2023-09-25 07:37
3 replies
props to him then.
2023-09-25 07:38
2 replies
still a nobody
2023-09-26 11:30
1 reply
not only that, he actually earned 140k in 8 years lol. thats actually terrible
2023-09-26 12:18
press alt-f4 to stop trolling lul
2023-09-25 09:49
known enough for hltv to make an article about his retirement
2023-09-25 10:13
2023-09-25 11:33
Andorra mopGOD420
2023-09-26 01:44
Duuude, c'mon. I linked you BlameF here and you go with this? And even now on HLTV Zoree has 47% still after playing with Allu
2023-09-25 07:38
8 replies
also played rifle a lot + was rifller as well as AWPer in different teams + z0re1 is the nickname that ZOREE uses on 99% of platforms except on HLTV
2023-09-25 07:40
7 replies
Except on rifle he has way higher %. Here's 2022 and 2023 for you
2023-09-25 07:40
6 replies
idk wtf he is on but this is ZOREE's faceit: and steam: given his flag it's pretty obvious he is trying to impersonate ZOREE and that 33% he made up or is his (the faker's) HS percentage.
2023-09-25 07:43
5 replies
OK? And what's FaceIt supposed to prove here? Still 40%
2023-09-25 07:45
Oh, sorry, I'm dumb. Should have looked at the nickname of the first commenter in a branch. Also I think if Zoree has an HLTV account, it should be older than 2022.
2023-09-25 07:49
2 replies
+1 that is what I was trying to say xaxaxaxa that 33% does not exist or it's the fake account's own HS np bro)) I hope you have a great day :))))
2023-09-25 07:51
Alt accounts are impossible on jony e secured forum.
2023-09-25 10:02
wow ranked #9 in europe that is pretty freakin good
2023-09-25 16:10
ZOREE used to be an awper in LGR and iGame times
2023-09-25 19:03
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New Zealand stam_
2023-09-25 11:13
i think winning is what matters, bc i hit over 50% hs, but im mid or bottomfrag and do no impact on the game, so.. its up to you to decide - care or not
2023-09-25 06:18
ANGE1 | 
Russia ultnie
Not nessesarily, there are even pro examples
2023-09-25 06:19
Brazil dio_scuro
not a problem but not good either.
2023-09-25 06:20
“I not trying to go pro and just playing for fun“ “I started playing CS:GO in August of 2012 on the Xbox 360, and I transitioned over to playing on Steam in late 2018. I joined my first team in 2019. I have competed in Counter-Strike and Quake tournaments held both online and on lan. Open to analyst or coach work, inactive as a player.”
2023-09-25 06:22
2 replies
Yeah I do that for fun? By doing this casually I have made great friends and memories. I could never go full-time pro so I focus on my university degree.
2023-09-25 06:26
1 reply
So then why are you asking if this is a bad thing? Of course it's bad. But it doesn't matter if you don't care
2023-09-25 18:52
United States KhanQu3st
Obviously a stat means virtually nothing without context, but a higher hs% will likely lead to more entry duel wins, as you are (theoretically) reacting and killing faster. For example, YEKINDAR and Rain, two of the hardest entry pros, have 57% and 56% respectively, while a player like BlameF, who is often considered to be good, but extremely passive has crazy impressive stats, but only a 34% hs%. Obviously this correlation isn’t always the case, some entry fuels are won by timings, or pushing smokes, or frankly, luck. But I do think hs% is a huge factor.
2023-09-25 06:30
6 replies
Yeah this shed some light and much needed perspective. I checked and have like 7% entry duel attempts but like 80% winrate in them xd massive passive player but I usually que with my buddy who is SUPER aggressive so it balances out for a 70% winrate :D
2023-09-25 06:35
3 replies
That's how chemistry works, yeah
2023-09-25 11:31
7% is hilariously low. Even Jame has 12% opening attempts on T side so you are baiting a lot. If you win matches then it is fine but going for easy body shot farm is the smartest when you ar trading a lot
2023-09-25 13:41
Scotland kaninCS
blameF cosplay
2023-09-26 01:13
Yup, this is prob the best comment here I have around 35%, global on MM, highest level in Brazilian faceit, but I´m mainly lurker / support. So I don´t think 33% is a problem at all, depending the role you play.
2023-09-25 15:54
I think it's also a lot to do with "panic" aiming, instant spraying means you're probably not anticipating the enemy at all and have bad aiming habits.
2023-09-25 18:54
Canada halfbaked
no it doesnt matter. you dont need to rationalize your low hs% nobody cares, just do what you do man
2023-09-25 06:32
i have 18% and i'm global. Higher hs% can be a good thing, but at the end of the day what it matters most is knowing how to win games.
2023-09-25 06:34
4 replies
global isnt even that good tbh, but rest I agree
2023-09-25 11:12
3 replies
Global equals being in 3,5% of the best MM players in the world, and that's definitely a synonym of being "good" (if we are talking about casual players, and not those with going pro/semi-pro ambitions)
2023-09-25 11:34
2 replies
Ye, have to take it back. Global is in that case good, I was puting it more in relation with faceit lvl10 (2500+ elo).
2023-09-25 13:34
1 reply
Yeah, I got you, but 2500+ rating requires thousands and thousands of hours invested in the game, and that's definitely not a casual level :)
2023-09-25 15:23
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Indonesia ycrows
if it works keep doing it))
2023-09-25 06:39
if below 40% and not an awper youre just bad Im at 50% with occassional awping as its just too op not to use
2023-09-25 06:47
2 replies
yeah i'm sure you're better than blameF because he has 30% HS. and also people with high HS usually just happen to be low avg players, the kind of teammates with 75% HS and 8/15 KD (6 kills being headshots). high HS is literally irrelevant. with your logic screaM (78% HS) (1.09 rating) is better than ax1le (48% HS) (1.16 rating)
2023-09-26 01:09
1 reply
Im 50% flat and I can tell you that one bullet is faster than 4, you may believe otherwise but I do not care, you also have higher multikill potential with more headshots but that should be intuitive. BlameF has a lot of flank kills and with those spraying might be more consistent but it doesnt matter if youre to get traded you will
2023-09-26 01:36
The issue is vs better players you will start to lose. My HS percentage is around 45-60 depending on if I have a longer T side or CT side.
2023-09-25 07:03
1 reply
Yeah I believe you but I not planning to grind super high elo cause not going pro so whats the point? Luckily around lvl 10 it has not been an issue so far :D
2023-09-25 07:12
if your adr is good then you’re good
2023-09-25 07:07
4 replies
i dont know how to find my average adr but my kpr is 0.81
2023-09-25 07:11
3 replies
That's 81 ADR I think. Definitely not bad.
2023-09-25 11:42
2 replies
kpr is kills per round
2023-09-25 13:44
adr =/= kpr
2023-09-26 08:23
if you play against someone who insta headshots you then you lose. against easier opponents it's not a problem, obviously if your spray control is amazing, how come the shots you spray don't hit heads? you're dead after the first kill? people with amazing spray control can mow down opponents for multi kills, and often their spray is so good that they get headshots on moderate range even after multiple shots. so maybe your spray control is just sub-amazing?
2023-09-25 07:15
5 replies
I never aim for the head and purposefully aim for the body. I usually play anchor roles and by aiming that way I usually get my kills even when I am having an off game/day. It is only 4 bodyshots to kill and if you play off angles you can 90% of the time get 1+ kill and delay or 2+ kills. but yeah of course not "amazing" if you count amazing as in pro level. I can still hit headshots on pistols, I just never go for headshots with rifles.
2023-09-25 07:20
4 replies
*on T-side I usually play with the pack and not going in fist but as second/third throwing the utility and carrying the bomb.
2023-09-25 07:22
I think of "amazing" literally. Does something amaze me? Yes: it's amazing; no: not amazing.
2023-09-25 07:44
2 replies
Okay then probably not amazing. I would describe it like a train. Stable and strong but nothing mindblowing but still "impressive".
2023-09-25 07:52
1 reply
yeah. sounds solid, and solid's alright.
2023-09-25 11:08
Germany Germen
"I not trying to go pro and just playing for fun" There you go, it isn't a problem
2023-09-25 07:20
1 reply
2023-09-25 07:28
yes it's a problem. it's hard to consistently multi-kill with a hs percentage that low unless you're playing bots that don't shoot back. you could easily get it into the mid 40s with minimal aim practice. maybe you need a smaller crosshair, maybe you need to lower your sens to be more precise, maybe you need to change your resolution.
2023-09-25 08:11
19 replies
320 edpi :DDDDDD 800x600 bb what do you recommend :D
2023-09-25 11:21
16 replies
800x600? Probably you have a low-end PC and low FPS, and body spraying is much easier for such conditions, so your playstyle makes perfect sense.
2023-09-25 11:52
320 edpi? are you physically handicapped? if the answer is no, you're definitely mentally handicapped for using such a low sens. 540 epi is the lowest you should be using. 800x600 and not even stretched? I didn't know finland was a 3rd world country and you were playing on a 2nd hand 20 year old CPU. you should try moving to a first world country/getting a job, buying a modern PC and a 1440p 360hz monitor, then play stretched 1920x1440.
2023-09-25 13:01
14 replies
Lmao, why so hard on some dude who got used to play like he did? How can you know if he has potato PC? And isnt having high sensitivity more handicapped since you dont need to move your hand that much? Or is having a high sensitivity like being broke or fat as a average american burger so you dont have enough space to have a large table and mousepad? You see how flawless your logic is?
2023-09-25 14:21
13 replies
nah, having extremely low sens is more handicapped because you don't have fine control over your extremities, which is why you can't play high sens. nobody should be lower than nikos sens and if you have the hand eye coordination to be precise with 1200 edpi then by all means use it. Im not even telling him to use high sens, im telling him to use a normal low sens lol.
2023-09-26 02:10
10 replies
You can do it in a civil manner tho.
2023-09-26 08:16
9 replies
reddit is that way ---->
2023-09-26 08:20
8 replies
You dont need to be an asshole either way.
2023-09-26 11:27
7 replies
I did it to add humor to the thread. you laughed at it. so who's the real asshole?
2023-09-26 13:57
6 replies
Where you see me laughing? You had a good point, not denying that but the way you said it first was little off imo. You can deliver your point better without being hostile. Even if you were joking in #74 the jokes were pretty bad considering you were trying to deliver a good point.
2023-09-26 15:00
5 replies
scroll up and look at #89. what are they putting in the water in finland? your brains are drier than a biscuit after a long voyage at sea.
2023-09-26 15:29
4 replies
I think you have a slight problem with reading comprahension even though we are using your native tongue. Dude, I know muricans are pretty damn dumb and you are only confirming it.
2023-09-26 16:15
3 replies
you said "Lmao" in response to my post. not only did you laugh, but you laughed your ass off. my reading comprehension is fine. your memory is so bad, i'm left wondering if your brain is full of holes.
2023-09-26 16:27
2 replies
So you are so dumb I have to teach you how to understand your own stupid and bad jokes. If you want people laugh to your jokes and not to you as a person you need to learn how to make better jokes. And to be honest, I didnt even laugh at you since it would be bullying to laugh at someone like you. Sorry that I pretended to laugh since I didnt. You are not funny as a person and neither are your jokes.
2023-09-26 16:44
1 reply
you laughed and now you're trying to backtrack. you're pathetic.
2023-09-26 17:06
Sweden go0s3
look at his flag lmao that alone explain his arrogance
2023-09-26 02:24
1 reply
Its hltv after all.
2023-09-26 08:17
it doesn't make sense. Sensitivity, resolution and crosshair don't really affect the way people play. No matter what conditions, they are gonna play the same. This is all about genes. Some people just have superior muscle memory, inner reaction time, fine motor skills so they play great with 150 ping 40 fps 60 hz office mouse without mousepad, still like better than 99% of players with good gears. You can't just change settings to increase hs ratio. You will have to djust your brain somehow, say energy drinks or just go for a walk. But his gaming capabilites will be the same overall.
2023-09-26 08:34
1 reply
false. the things I suggested have actual reasoning behind them to improve HS percentage. it's easier to HS with a dot crosshair or very small cross. why? because it's easier to see the head while you're aiming. if you have an thick, old school crosshair with an outline, you're not going to be able to see the head while you're trying to aim at it from a distance. I suggested lowering your sens because it's very hard to be precise with anything over 800 edpi. you have to be like you suggested, gifted, or have 10k hours practice/muscle memory. you can get away with high sens in shooters like call of duty because precision doesn't matter and body/leg shot ttk isn't that different from hs ttk, but for a game like CS, precision is king and that's why HS's matter. after 1 duel you're most likely going to be under 50 hp if you're a body shooter, good luck winning another duel while still body shooting. as for res, it's much easier to spot heads at distance with higher resolution. OP is on 800x600, that's a blurry mess. I play on 1920x1440 and it's so easy to spot pixel detail at range. I guarantee you this plays a part in him aiming at bodies over heads.
2023-09-26 10:41
India Tekkzera
bodyshot players are more consistent than headhsot players. you will have higher peaks if you improve your hs% but your consistency might fall off if you dont train your aim enough. thats how it works for me.
2023-09-25 08:30
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India Tekkzera
there are also certain scenarios you should be thinking of when to aim for headhsot or bodyshot. you need to find the perfect balance and choose when to use which. for e.g, if you are clearing angles as a T, always pre-aim at head level. if youre holding 90 degree angles like tucked-in on inferno half wall as a CT, and you are expecting a wide swing you have two options: 1) pre aim crosshair further away towards right at head level 2) preaim at chest level but closer to the wall. if you are holding from mirage ticket to a main with an m4 then it is long distance so i would go for bodyshot. so yeah headshot/bodyshot is very situational and varies if you are holding an angle. but always preaim at head level when clearing angles without a doubt.
2023-09-25 08:41
Europe 2old4hltv
I played with a friend who always had 30-35% hs and all he did was body-spray. He literally got stuck at faceit lvl 8. He's good player, he understands CS well but he simply keep loosing when playing against stronger players and I told him its because he's getting one tapped and he needs to go for HS but he doesnt listen.
2023-09-25 08:34
6 replies
Maybe he is just too lazy to work on his aim. It's a game in the end, not a job where professionalism and work-ethic are a must.
2023-09-25 12:05
2 replies
+1. I am not naturally tatalented in this game and I remember when I was a kid I had relatively high rank and I wonder that I used to play dm and to keep my aim on decent level and reflected on my game a lot. After all those years I don't want to do any of this shit and just play for fun so I can't consistenly hit those shots anymore and I am not even mad about it. And plenty of csgo players could be theoretically better at this game but progress requires some efforts but it's just a game after all.
2023-09-26 08:50
1 reply
Same with me. Once uni is over serious Counter-Strike is over as well
2023-09-26 08:59
I am the low hs% player, I`ve managed to get 3600 elo. Hardstuck in 8th lvl is not about aim at all, it matters, but there are a lot of aimless players in 2k-3k elo lobbies.
2023-09-25 13:39
2 replies
Europe 2old4hltv
Sure but he's playing alot of those headshot possitions. For example, body spray is fine if You hold doors on nuke but he wants to play mid on anubis for example and he's playing really agressive. He wants to spray down some1 and he's dead from awp or other guy insta HS him and he screams shit like "yea, sure, insta headshot"
2023-09-25 13:44
1 reply
I actually play mid on anubis. Aim matters, but this position is more dependent on utility, spams, timings, movement. I think anchor positions depens on aim much more.
2023-09-25 13:52
Not a problem many times when you have higher hs you have less kills and what matters are kills.
2023-09-25 08:36
HS matters, if you land it with initial shots. Otherwise it's just a waste to land a finishing shot in head. So if you want to improve your HS percentage, then focus on first 1-3 bullets of spray only.
2023-09-25 08:39
Im like b1t in terms of HS% lmao, I usually get 70+% with 25 kills but still lose because my team are bots
2023-09-25 08:42
1 reply
Let me guess...crisp clean lock bois
2023-09-25 10:05
tldr if awping no else if you are consistantly contributing to the team again no else yeah
2023-09-25 08:42
not really if you pull your own weight
2023-09-25 08:44
Only u can answer to this question, if u find it a problem in ur games then it is one. I only play ones a month in low elo so there its not really a problem
2023-09-25 08:52
dw man, many +60hs players are actually bad and care only about their hs :D, hs % doesnt tell ANYTHING about skill
2023-09-25 08:52
Its very easy. You can be an amazing bodyshot player even in the pro scene aka blamef and naf. You will be more consistent but you need to play advantageous angles. The problem is you will never be a true top aimer because you will lose 50-50 duels against them. Every top aimer is an insta hs.
2023-09-25 08:57
1 reply
Well, that depends. If ypu look at zywoo for example he also sprays on body a lot but when he jas to hit head he somehow manages to hit head. Maybe its just an extraordinary understanding of when you can die fast and when not or just a coincidence. But there are a lot of fights where you dont necessarily need to headshot, especially if you are a more passive player who plays a lot around good offangles, good timings and other advantages.
2023-09-25 11:16
hs% is not relevant, if you are a good teamplayer and get the job done with and for your team, then who the fuck cares. people saying otherwise is probably the same people that thinks stats is important in this game without watching other factors such as flash-assists/general utility-usage, positioning with teammates, in-game IQ. so many players can shoot headshots like gods, but they do SILLY mistakes that will never make them tier1
2023-09-25 09:27
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Switzerland f3ni_
2023-09-25 19:04
Hungary jadyn_x
My hs% is like 40% which is considered normal but i'm mostly dropping 30-40 kills in per game So it doesnt really matter, spray > hs
2023-09-25 09:32
"I not trying to go pro and just playing for fun" If you're having fun, just keep doing it. Enjoy life my friend
2023-09-25 10:07
going full body spray is insanely op in csgo, youre doing it correctly look at blamef
2023-09-25 10:10
Sounds like massive skill issue HS % should 55 at worst
2023-09-25 11:11
Not at all but u could just try aiming a bit higher. But high hs% fpr a lot of players usually means that they just cant hit anything if they dont hit head becaise their spray is ass. So if you feel confortable in your spray and play a blameF style when it comes to playing "ratty" (good) angles and positions its all good.
2023-09-25 11:14
2 replies
True. High hs players always die without any damage and have less adr in average. I`m the body sprayer, I have around 90-100 adr with around 0.7-0.8 KR usually, because after every fight I hit the enemies. But 99 in 4 situations are so fucking real, so many times I choke kills with 1hp, it`s embarassing.
2023-09-25 13:16
1 reply
I mean getting kills with hs is usually better than not hs people, you just need to be good at both. But for me some days i have games with like 25 kills where i have 10% hs. On other days i cant kill anyone so i have high hs but low kills and on most days its balanced but i could win more duels if i was better at movement and shooting
2023-09-25 18:10
My playing style is a carbon copy of yours (and hs% as well) Try to play DM HS only - it helps a lot, but requires work ethic, which I heavily lack and therefore don't care.
2023-09-25 11:23
bro i have 48% as awper on faceit how do u manage to get only 33 as rifler
2023-09-25 11:37
I have more as AWP main xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2023-09-25 12:02
Really depends on what rank/level you are
2023-09-25 13:03
People striving for HS ratio are *losing* more often than not because it's harder to hit the head.
2023-09-25 13:05
I have the same story. 40% hs, 3500 elo rifler. Used to have even 25% when I has 7th lvl.
2023-09-25 13:06
Lithuania PagMan
No, it's fine. As long as you have the perfect spray and secure the kills, you don't have to worry about it.
2023-09-25 13:11
anyone under 50% should consider applying to mcdonalds
2023-09-25 13:45
Argentina fribergoat
Let me guess, 16:9 player
2023-09-25 13:49
1 reply
2023-09-25 14:46
It's no problem if you're a baiter, play it safe, etc. As someone who plays entrying/rushing every round I need at least 60-75 when not awping
2023-09-25 14:09
But my guess is that you are low lvl. Bodyspraying won't work vs better players mate
2023-09-25 14:22
2 replies
United Kingdom scroonyman
blameF /closed
2023-09-25 14:35
1 reply
won't work vs better players mate if you don't bate the shit out of your team mates*
2023-09-25 14:37
i have 28% :^) no, im not awping yes i am gold nova
2023-09-25 14:25
Germany zodiakkkkk
who gives a shit about hs%, look at the old astralis lineup - no one gave a f*** about hs% and still dominated
2023-09-25 14:37
United Kingdom scroonyman
The logic is, if you're at an advantage in the gunfight (positioning, weapon, reaction time etc.) then spraying for body is better but if you're at a disadvantage or going for a hard entry you should always shoot HS. It literally comes down to playstyle, it's why the best openers have the highest HS% and the best closers have the lowest.
2023-09-25 14:40
b0RUP (the GOAT) has 60% get it together
2023-09-25 15:25
Armenia VirtusNo
why would stats matter if you are playing just for fun
2023-09-25 15:31
i have something around 70/80% hs on average, if im hitting heads in a certain day then im killing everybody but if im having a bad day i can't kill anyone cause i rely heavily on shooting heads so i turn into a bot. So it's probably not bad.
2023-09-25 16:04
no, look at blamef
2023-09-25 18:17
As long as you're winning and being impactful for your team it's all that matters. Also, you said that you prefers playing nerdy/unfair angles and that could explain the low HS%. Because you're playing weird and unfair angles you're more likely to kill ennemies in the back or in awkward positions, thus you don't need to try to get an instant HS on first bullet, thus you just spray them in the body to make it reliable and secured kill.
2023-09-25 18:19
You can live without it, a few pros have rlly low hs, I myself also have low hs, but I feel it's only become a problem lately that I'm getting into higher elo where I'm often peaking and more often I'm getting hs fairly quickly where if my first bullet accuracy to the head was better I would win way more duals I feel
2023-09-25 18:20
If you're playing pubs and even if you're GE or even if you were top of faceit at least you know what you probably need to work on. If you're not going pro it doesn't matter, but if you want to improve at your hobby you can figure out things to assist in having better initial aim, then moving towards your spray.
2023-09-25 18:51
hs% is probably the most useless stat
2023-09-25 19:06
Seems pretty low, but if some tier1 riflers can get by having ~40% I wouldn't necessarily think too much about it
2023-09-25 19:12
2023-09-25 19:15
LMAO bot
2023-09-26 01:55
Not at all, only kills and rounds matter. High HS% is for satisfaction.
2023-09-26 02:11
if u have amazing spray control just spray for the head. Kills them faster and increased HS%
2023-09-26 08:53
good, bad, helpful not helpful, who cares? Do you have fun playing the game? Do you think it's holding you back? Those are the only two questions that matter. And there are much more important stats than hs%. A 7% opening duel attempt rate will hold you back more than a 30% hs rate. Either way, unless you think you're losing head to heads (like on t-side if you watch demos if you lose 50/50 fights when u peek into them) then it doesnt matter, keep playing and enjoying the game.
2023-09-26 09:32
59% winrate you should go pro
2023-09-26 09:55
if it worked for then u are ok
2023-09-26 09:57
Germany Constikdw
BlameF has 34% headshots so I dont see a problem
2023-09-26 10:43
Mine is 46% but i still consider it very less on comparing to other pros
2023-09-26 12:30
Why do you even care if you're playing for fun? And if it doesn't bother you then it's not a problem.
2023-09-26 17:08
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