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Top 20 of 2023 (confirmed by HLTV)
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Russia dar1y 
1. ZywOo (Untouchable this year) 2. NiKo (Cologne MVP + amazing stats all over the year) 3. Spinx (Second best rifler this year) 4. Device (Second best awper after ZywOo) 5. m0nesy (Great stats, +EVPs) 6. ropz (EPL 17 mvp, consistent despite FaZe being in a slump) 7. sh1ro (C9 is shit now and he dropped off since the beginning of the year) 8. s1mple (Past his prime, still good stats) 9. SunPayus (Weak beginning of the year, very impressive now + IEM Dallas MVP) 10. BlameF (Absurd stats but we all know why) 11. Nertz (Great rifler overall) 12. Stavn (Too high for this group stage merchant) 13. Broky (In a big slump right now, but decent stats all over the year) 14. Frozen (Good stats, lack of playoffs) 15. Axile (Fell off very hard) 16. Hunter (Kato MVP, decent stats overall) 17. Magisk (Insane player on his roles, but outshined by Spinx) 18. Twistzz (Had a slump, good stats overall) 19. Jabbi (1 MVP, had a decent year) 20. Kscerato (A big baiter, lack of playoffs)
2023-09-25 21:31
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#1
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Kazakhstan DONK_TOP1
ROPZ SPINX NIKO DEVICE MONESY ABOVE SHIRO, BROKY OVER FROZEN, STAVN OVER FROZEN, REPORTED JABBI IN TOP 20 KSCERATO WTF IS THIS HAHAAH
2023-09-25 21:34
5 replies
#3
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Poland seinterc
sh0r0
2023-09-25 21:35
1 reply
Please respect wh1te
2023-09-26 03:30
#5
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Russia dar1y
0/8
2023-09-25 21:35
what sh1ro and frozen do this year? jabbi one mvp
2023-09-25 23:24
#79
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Israel RoyBenji
Bro no way T2 Shiro will be above NiKo Ropz and Spinx this year, he is the better player but the performance of the team will hold his ranking back by a lot
2023-09-26 09:31
#2
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United States KhanQu3st
If ELIGE keeps up his form I could see him sneaking on the end of the list. He’s definitely recovered from his terrible start to the season.
2023-09-25 21:34
17 replies
#4
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Estonia Sn4pzhat
it would need col to win EPL, he plays well but not enough big events under the belt
2023-09-25 21:35
1 reply
#9
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United States KhanQu3st
That’s kinda true I guess. We will have to see.
2023-09-25 21:45
#6
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Kazakhstan DONK_TOP1
you cannot be a real human
2023-09-25 21:36
5 replies
#10
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United States KhanQu3st
He’s been on fire since joining CoL, with a 1.19 Rating and a 1.20 Impact.
2023-09-25 21:46
4 replies
#16
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Kazakhstan DONK_TOP1
he is playing on tier3 team in tier4 region vs tier5 players in tier6 events, if he wins epl he will probably sneak into top 40-35
2023-09-25 21:51
3 replies
#18
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United States KhanQu3st
Lmao 0/8
2023-09-25 22:00
1 reply
#23
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Kazakhstan DONK_TOP1
good argument, ignored forever, nice try though poor bait.
2023-09-25 22:18
#42
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United States chokyy
"Tier 4 region" Flag
2023-09-25 23:07
you cant be serious...
2023-09-25 21:47
6 replies
#14
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United States KhanQu3st
2023-09-25 21:48
5 replies
its from whole year tho...and this is elige with big event filter hltv.org/stats/players/8738/elige?startD.. only 42 maps playerd, 1.02 with 1.02 impact, 0.91 vs top5(only 14 maps played), 0.95 vs top10(only 21 maps played) and 1.01 vs top20(only 34 maps played). 0 mvps, 0 evps, not enough play off maps(literally only 1 deeper run). based on how hltv top20 works, he has literally 0% chance no matter how the rest of year will look like buddy
2023-09-25 21:51
4 replies
#17
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United States KhanQu3st
“If he keeps up his form” his form on CoL is miles better than his 1st half was.
2023-09-25 21:59
3 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/8738/elige?startD.. is it really if u count out the online games?
2023-09-25 22:01
its end of september. doesnt matter, its too late...
2023-09-25 22:01
1 reply
#21
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United States KhanQu3st
Very likely yea. That’s why I said it’s possible he could sneak onto the list. I didn’t say it would happen, or is likely.
2023-09-25 22:05
bad bait
2023-09-25 22:07
1 reply
#45
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United States chokyy
name + flag
2023-09-25 23:08
There is no way Spinx is above device.
2023-09-25 21:40
18 replies
#8
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Russia dar1y
more evps, maps, tournaments won, etc but if device manages to get into top3, it would be great
2023-09-25 21:44
device will be lucky for top10...
2023-09-25 21:47
16 replies
He has a rating of 1.23 Spinx has 1.16 0.07 rating difference is worlds apart
2023-09-25 22:27
15 replies
how did stats help to blamef? when will people realize how it works...
2023-09-25 22:32
if you look only at rating sure, but spinx has EVPS, Deeper runs in tournies, Double the amount of maps in big events Device is insane but not enough big events played(and deep runs) and not alot of maps comapred to others
2023-09-25 22:32
13 replies
I guess device didn't play as many games in big events as Spinx did, but can all those trophies of Spinx really make up for a 0.07 gap? What if the gap was 0.15?
2023-09-25 22:47
12 replies
Rating is not all, BlameF had 1.22 rating and got only #12 because no deep runs/big events Major EVP and deep runs for spinx should secure him top5(idk about top3 yet) and there are still a few more months so anything can happen
2023-09-25 22:48
10 replies
Why doesn't HLTV just use the rating for placement?
2023-09-25 23:04
9 replies
Because thats stupid.
2023-09-25 23:04
8 replies
Why
2023-09-25 23:07
7 replies
Because rating should be considered with all the context. If a player accumulates his stats against weaker opponents, at group stages or less valuable tournaments, his stats will have less weight. Moreover you should pay attention to the amount of big tournaments and maps a player has played since the more you play the less it needs for your stats to be considered as impressive. It's a lot easier to "accidently" fluke a good map or event than to play good consistently for a longer period of time. The quality and quantity of high peaks (MVPs and EVPs) is also a crucial thing since they show how well a player can bring his team to the winning form. So rating is just a number that has little to no meaning without context.
2023-09-25 23:22
4 replies
As you say, the rating should be weighted according to opponents, value of tournament, tournament phase, etc.. But if for a player A much less games were recorded with strongly weighted ratings than for a player B, then it is questionable whether these players can be compared with each other at all. So the question remains whether player A should be included in the HLTV Top 20 best players at all. However, if the number of such games is comparable, then I see no problem in using only this weighted average for the HLTV Top 20 ranking. But then you shouldn't increase the rating of a player because of a trophy. There is also no reason to improve the ranking of a player because of a MVP trophy, because then the performance would be counted twice (once in the weighted average and then again bonus points for MVP/trophies). But of course you want to compare as many players as possible for the HLTV Top 20, and since some players can't be compared well, it becomes unfair. So in my opinion, the device and Spinx comparison is unfair.
2023-09-26 00:20
3 replies
actually nvm. If you find the correct weight for each game, then it is a fair comparison. But a players stats still shouldn't be boosted because he got trophies / mvps and because you can't really know these weights accurately, it becomes unfair I think
2023-09-26 00:38
2 replies
Players overall rating is only boosted by the size of sample and by the degree of its dependency more on Impact, ADR and KPR rather than on low DPR. The rest is worked out separately like ratings vs top5/10/20 teams that reveals did a player pad his overall stats against weak teams or was actually good vs any level of opposition, ratings at big, elite events and at playoffs of such events and so on and so forth. All of these are different metrics that aren't added to the main one, they, being just a part of overall rating, only reveal the true essence of it. EVPs don't actually double the value of ratings as well, they just show whether these ratings led to good event for a team or not, that, of course, increase the weight at some degree, but not quite double it since M/EVPs (or just high peaks) are considered as a part of overall rating, not as a some kind of addition to it. You fairly noticed that two players having different sample sizes and qualities of these samples are somewhat questionable to be compared to each other, yet it's not necessarily impossible. If you have some arbitrary criterias, then you can make up with a certain method to deal with such a task. In my book, HLTV manages to do it quite well even though their system isn't flawless.
2023-09-26 03:55
1 reply
Yes they do a pretty good job. As far as I understand it, since their rating system is not perfect, they have to adjust the ratings of players by considering MVPs/EVps/trophies. But if you had a perfect rating system, MVPs/EVPs/tophies shouldn't be a factor at all. Because even without trophies, it could capture how much a player helps his team succeed.
2023-09-26 13:12
1.22 while playing in a bunch of online cups is not top 5 worthy, that's why.
2023-09-25 23:23
because top20 would look like this... hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2023-01.. yea makes sense right?
2023-09-26 04:53
#83
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Israel RoyBenji
100% they make up, he won two million dollars event while Devve hasn't won any, he also has a very good chance to finish as the EPL MVP and win the tournament. Spinx as 3rd is risky but he will 100% be top 5 and might actually be 3rd
2023-09-26 09:35
literally 0% chance that device will make top5...he will be lucky for top10
2023-09-25 21:47
3 replies
#26
ropz | 
Lithuania rennae
0/8, one of, if not, the most consistent player this year
2023-09-25 22:30
2 replies
and? almost no deep runs...not relevant enough. you will see yourself...
2023-09-25 22:32
#40
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Cologne is Device's only relevant placing this year thus far. He is very lucky to make the Top 10 because of how insane he is.
2023-09-25 23:05
NertZ will be low top 20 for sure cause of time in endpoint Sh1ro, Ax1le, frozen KSCERATO higher by about 2-5
2023-09-25 22:23
kscerato won't be on the list
2023-09-25 22:47
1 reply
#41
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Russia dar1y
and it would be great
2023-09-25 23:06
Bro do you literally put Frozen which is more baiter than blamef and Jame together in front of Kscerato? Are you fvcking lunatic or what?
2023-09-25 22:49
I really don't think HLTV would dare to have Simple outside of top 3. But to be honest he should be. I think you have Monesy too high. He will more likely be on the brink of top 10 I suppose. Also I doubt if Twistzz, Hunter and Magisk will be on. I think Magisk is most deserving with his heavy contribution to Vitality's success. I think Dycha is more deserving than Hunter this year.
2023-09-25 22:58
4 replies
#35
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Russia dar1y
no way dycha gets to top 20. he fell off massively since nertz came to ence and hunter just had better stats
2023-09-25 23:02
He's definitely out of the top 5 this year.
2023-09-25 23:24
dycha hltv.org/stats/players/events/16080/dych.. huNter hltv.org/stats/players/events/3972/hunte.. I wouldn't say dycha was any better than hunter this year.
2023-09-25 23:34
#87
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Bosnia and Herzegovina barbyG
hunter kato mvp and very solid overall what are u on ?
2023-09-26 10:29
#36
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
"Top 20 of 2023 (confirmed by HLTV)" > "4. Device (Second best awper after ZywOo)" Device is not Top 5 this year... Please understand this.
2023-09-25 23:03
10 replies
he will be
2023-09-25 23:16
9 replies
#49
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
We've been over this before...
2023-09-25 23:22
He won't. He played only 5 big events so far. One of them was horrible (blast), only one was great (cologne) and one was good (Dallas). Missed Major and Katowice. Plus, he's gonna miss Sydney which also will hurt his number of tournaments played. Device will be lucky to be placed any higher than 7th spot even if he continues to play like this with 1.20± ratings.
2023-09-25 23:30
7 replies
Dallas was his best performance all year, it was even one of the 3 or 2 best performances for any player this year, the performance devve had at dallas
2023-09-26 00:14
6 replies
#62
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
One good event is and hardly any S-Tier tournament attendances makes it impossible for Top 5.
2023-09-26 00:48
5 replies
all his tournaments except one where way over top level, bc thats just devve, but his dallas tournament was just one of his best performances ever
2023-09-26 01:15
4 replies
Skill-wise - yes. Value-wise - no. Not even top 10 performance this year. The fact that Astralis reached only 5-6th place drastically brings down the value of his performance. SunPayus and frozen had better peaks at Dallas due to both being the best players of the two teams that reached finals. Device was at best 3rd in this race.
2023-09-26 03:07
3 replies
His performance was better but much less relevant than the others that actually won, if thats what u mean then +1
2023-09-26 03:08
2 replies
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Device had a great event, but it was his team to let him down.
2023-09-26 03:14
1 reply
+1
2023-09-26 03:20
I stopped reading at 20
2023-09-25 23:05
1 reply
#43
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Russia dar1y
Very good!
2023-09-25 23:07
4. Device (Second best awper after ZywOo) 7. sh1ro (C9 is shit now and he dropped off since the beginning of the year) recency bias
2023-09-25 23:15
8 replies
It is recency bias, but it's also fact. Sh1ro maybe 1 or 2 higher tho
2023-09-25 23:25
3 replies
sh1ro > device this year easily
2023-09-26 00:52
2 replies
#77
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Russia dar1y
kek
2023-09-26 06:11
1 reply
fact
2023-09-26 09:23
#80
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Israel RoyBenji
C9 has been bad the whole year what achievement did they achieve? BRAZY Party?
2023-09-26 09:32
3 replies
they were still better than astralis whole year device achievements: IEM Dallas Quarter Finals IEM Cologne Semi Finals EPL 18 Playoffs sh1ro achievements: EPL 17 Grand Final IEM Rio Semi Finals IEM Cologne Quarter Finals Gamers8 Quarter Finals
2023-09-26 09:43
2 replies
#85
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Israel RoyBenji
Have I said something about Astralis? I don't care that much about them so I mention them but I had a lot of trust in C9 and they disappointed me so I had to get my two cents in to the conversation
2023-09-26 09:52
1 reply
yeah I agree C9 was disappointing but my comment was referring to OP putting device over sh1ro because of C9 being bad but somehow Astralis being good
2023-09-26 09:58
0 chance for devve to get inside top 10 , he just a 2022 blameF with slightly worse stats , with exactly same S tier tournaments runs
2023-09-25 23:26
Actually a pretty good list. Don't agree with some but who cares, gj.
2023-09-25 23:28
1 reply
one of the worst so far :D
2023-09-26 03:38
#57
NiKo | 
Brazil Kly(u)
Device in top10 is definitely a chance, but idk about how high he is + him above ropz doesnt make much sense for me (idk about those players stats, too lazy rn to check but EPL mvp + many events playoffs - especially Major - might count heavier, no?
2023-09-25 23:34
Wrong. 1. Niko 2. m0nesy
2023-09-26 00:58
frozen omegalul
2023-09-26 03:29
dev1ce 4th is already super wrong, he is barely making it to top-10 due to lack of t-1 events, major miss, few playoffs etc. your list is really bad mate. ropz 6th lol. he has like 1 playoffs + low top-5 rating. sh1ro has over 1.20 rating against top-5, ropz has 1.03 or something lol. no way he surpassses sh1ro.
2023-09-26 03:36
hunter has a KATO MVP and very good stats and you put him lower than broky, frozen, ax1le, nertz ETC XDXD
2023-09-26 03:37
No way C9 have 2 players in top20 this year, sh1ro top 20 somewhere on 19 should be enough
2023-09-26 09:34
With a couple of adjustments its actually a decent list
2023-09-26 09:34
I want Mr. Xantares!
2023-09-26 11:47
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