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Its funny to consider which Player can fit all roles and still perform on a high level.
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Ez
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kk thx bro
he cant igl
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Lil bro thinks you need an IGL when you have 5 ZywOos in team
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+1
Ye c9 ceo tought that they don’t need IGL too
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c9 doesn't have 5 ZywOo
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bro
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bruh lmao
why tf would you need an igl when they are all on the same page. just do strat roullette and play off intuition and you will win against a team that is a (potential) igl 5x
We don't even know that. His game knowledge is great, so why wouldn't he be able to maybe do some good calling.
Also at what point does all aim no brain become viable, because I definitely think a 5x Zywoo is above that point.
amm, who's gonna bait for him?
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s0mple
any zywoo in the team
+1 even tho im not sure about zywoo igl skill
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will jame ask jame for an awp?
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this is how you break the space-time continuum
You mean the guy who is ranked 6th this year (and similarly last year) in opening duels? I think he will be fine
5 baitF's will argue who should sit on top of who on the respawn
Junior
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only right answer
device
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You know CS
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for real, devve would be the best option, alongside ZywOo and NiKo maybe
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Prime device maybe but I dont think 2023 device is strong enough on rifle to entry on t side
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Tabsen onoy knows star rifle role and if anything else his stats plummet XD he jjst calls around himself which is why big has always been bad
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donk
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more realistic than to think a god awper like s1mple or device (maybe even zywoo)
+1
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You know CS
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uhhh no
not as good as niko or zywoo
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Saving every round cause wants to go first lol
5 people staying alive every round
zywoo niko mezii frozen
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LMAO
Can you imagine 5 different stages of Apex talking shit to you.
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Niko can't awp
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After M4a4 and AK47 its a weapon he has most kills with + he used to be awper before rifle only if im not mistaken, so its not like zywoo/monesy level, but he should be decent enough given some time
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he has only been rifle/second awp player, never primary awp
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My bad then, but still being the second awp player out of 5 players still must mean he can hit something no?:D
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well yes, but his AWP level compared to other dedicated awpers is much lower. it's like that time when REZ tried being primary awper in NiP.
He has been given lots of time and it never worked
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Given the topic, i think even if 1 of the NiKos wouldnt perform as well as awper, he certainly can hit something at least sometimes with it, and even if he was not capable of handling awp at all, 4 other NiKos rifling could be enough
he was primary awp for like 3 months???
plus in that also he was supposed to be star awper....you have not seen Niko awp in earlier days if you say Niko can't awp
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yeah thats more than enough + he has an on and off relationship with the awp and it never works out when he picks it up
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"more then enough"
S1mple himself said you need atleast 1 year in T1 CS to properly get adjusted to AWP.
and his time didn't work out with AWP because he is not used to AWP in T1 CS and with that he was trying to be star as well with that....it's hard to change role and even more hard to be star in that role.
IDK if all this will get through your brain
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Than*
If you take all of his failed AWP tries he totals 1 year. It's just not gonna work get over it
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Do you have any data backing up 1 year claim.....no I think he did primary awping for no more than 3 months
He used to AWP back in FaZe and occasionally in Mousesports but never main-AWP.
He was pretty decent with it but definitely not as good as today's AWP'ers, that's for sure.
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Fair enough, I must have mistaken him being awper with 2nd awper. But still even by todays standards, he should be able to hit something at least
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Yeah, it's still NiKo we're talking about - he won't be completely useless with it. ^^
Thats like saying after AK and M4 and AWP he has most kills with USP/Glock? Lmfao. (it's probably actually deagle) But still like yeah after the 2 main buys for his role, sure the 3rd only really viable weapon the AWP probably takes the cake.
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Tbf there could have been M4a1/Usp/Deagle instead, thats what I meant, I personally wouldnt expect AWP as his 3rd most played weapon
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I was basing it more so off that the AWP tends to get picked back up a lot of rounds by almost all players because most can use it decently enough and considering it's power it is well worth doing in a ton of situations. Deagle honestly I would have thought was his third, but considering he mained AWP for a bit I can see how it would overtake it, but to the degree that he has +500 kills on the AWP that is pretty crazy. Further down glock/USP are split with only one real viable round each in most matches with some very niche situations.
Honestly the AWP is still surprising, but even though he isn't stellar with it, I know he uses it in every opportunity when it is available, I just wouldn't have figured that it would be anywhere near his deagle stats considering he probably deagles like 3-5 rounds per match.
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+1 Yeah pretty much fair, I wonder how many kills does he actually have with AWP and Deagle, must be some decent numbers, true about the glock/usp. And I mean, its still NiKo, so even with AWP he can hit some decent shots i guess
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According to HLTV stats AWP is 3071 and Deagle is 2598. To note it looks like that most good rifflers have double the kills on an AK when compared to M4 and M4S combined which I thought was weird when I first saw Niko's weapon stats. Most also tend to have the deagle far above the AWP.
I'm not sure how many events he played with the AWP, but now that I think on it if he was averaging like 15 AWP kills a map it could certainly add up very quickly not only that, but as an AWPer my guess is he would be less likely during that time period to buy a deagle.
Tabsen
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+1
Easiest +1 of my life
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zywoo will be outplayed, outbrained and will be left without stamina and intimidated by tabsens warcrys. All on LAN ofc.
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in-form b1ts would just insta headshot everyone
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I am suprised no one else mentioned this
prime magisk
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I saw one guy saying ropz
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Nuh uh buddy
Twistzz, elige or naf probably. Possibly stewie2k when he was still good. Maybe Rain or dupreeh. Definitely zywoo or device. Not sure about electronic. Cadian?
NiKo can do everything except awp.
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and winning majors
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They cant all choke at once. Imagine like Stockholm but 5 NiKos instead of those noobs.
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NiKo 1 would kick NiKo 2 for bad calling which would mald NiKo 3
You surely know CS
Magisk :- Can igl, can AWP , and you about rifle skills.
The question is who wins the major.
As much of a GOAT as s1mple is, his mental fortitude would break down before or during playoffs, and would lead to a tilting loss.
Zywoo is the best player in the world right now, but is quiet, and doesn't comm much. Lack of communication and IGL would likely lead to an L at some point in playoffs.
I really like the idea of ropz, device and niko though, all 3 can play any role given to them, as well as communicate clearly, even take the IGL position if needed to. Ropz would be the most dangerous as he would be the one to shape the meta finding all the nerdiest smokes and flashes and everyone else would be playing catch-up.
Xantares would also likely be in playoffs along with the other 5 mentioned above, he IGLed EF until majer came, and can play any role given to him too. I feel like he would be the underdog but would be just as good as the others if not potentially better.
Frozen would probably also make playoffs, for the same reasons as ropz and niko, though his inexperience would likely be the end of him, as he would likely be outplayed by both niko or ropz if they faced each other.
I think Sh1ro would be the 8th player in playoff, 2nd IGL in C9 and was the 2nd IGL behind nafany before hobbit even joined gambits academy team, i feel like he wouldnt struggle at all, but sh1ro has 1 big problem, and that's his lack of killer instinct. A team of 5 sh1ro clones would likely lose games 13-11 (MR12) a lot. He's very strong early in games, but by the end, he seems exhausted, in both ideas, and play.
Honourable mention to M0nesy, i think he would be able to make playoffs, but his nerdiness could get him surprise wins to make it to playoffs.
The winner, for me, is... Unclear. Definitely a fight between Xantares ropz niko device for me. Whoever gets the easier bracket. (we should do a bracket challenge with this idea, it would be fun).
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Well with s1mple its about what version we get. Zywoo is great but idk about his igling. NiKo can igl and play all roles except awp. Device is great but idk if his rifling is good enough to beat the likes of zywoo s1mple and NiKo.
For mega baiters like sh1ro idk how it goes tbh, but he will be at least decent.
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I think the issue is that there is not 1 single player that can do everything, ropz would probably win just because he would define the meta, he would be the one to find new lineups and be able to implement them the quickest. But just like zywoo, and monesy, he would probably struggle with IGLing and even 2nd calling.
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Imo s1mple and NiKo are the closest to doing everything. If we take 2023 versions than NiKo is the most complete player personally. Zywoo is good but i dont think he has the leadership aspect down yet (or at all).
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The issue with both of them is tilting (niko less than s1mple, but more than the average pro player) and that would likely be his downfall. Samd with sh1ro, he would probably stay in a crap mood and not be optimistic.
The players with the best skillset all have tilting or mentality issues that are normally kept at bay by their IGLs (s1mple with boombl4, niko with hooxi, sh1ro with nafany). I don't know if they can actually go on and not mald/tilt if they were to play with clones of each other, especially s1mple.
Cadian might be a good example of someone who has it almost all down, but then i think there would be too much hype on that team, no one to bring him back down from his high, would probably get arrogant, and complacent and get outcalled.
Jame wouldnt work he cant shoot with rifles, he'd probably play 2 awps 3 pistols at all times, and if those pistols cant entry, save.
You dont need igl if 5 ZywOo's are executing at same time
All this just to end with a different conclusion than 5 zywoo wins is so stupid lol
Comm is not that important when you have the best player to touch the game with inhuman gamesense and is good with every weapon. It's literally s1mple but without ego how tf are you supposed to win against that
Id put my money on zywoo, he is extremely sharp as entry, knows when to take timings and duels, is (one of the) best awper in the history of cs, he can read midrounds, he can propably also throw utility for his clones and he has proven to be a great anchor as well which is not surprising
Only correct answer is jks
the answer is so easily zywoo it's surprising how little he's mentioned in this thread. he has the best rifle, awp and pistols in the game rn. you don't even need strats on T side, just default and have zywoo go kill. good luck playing against 5 CT zywoos.
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zywoo isn't a dumb player or a bad commer, you're grasping for straws.
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plus no other team would ever win the first round against 5 players with 1.41 all time pistol rating LOL
all xantares team
xantares to xantares:
-xantares go kill
xantares:
-ok, amına koyim
ez many majors
NAF
God amanek can do it all (entry, lurk, awp, igl and coach)
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the only answer with a player that actually has done everything in the real world.
1-Ropz/S1mple
2-Zywoo/Niko/b1t
Ropz is just the most complete player at top level right now
There is no denying that s1mple at top form would just eat anyone alive
Zywoo would probably struggle a bit as IGL
b1t can (probably) do everything except awp
Niko would just choke the final again
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5 Ropz won't even make top8....IDK what people are on
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The point is that Ropz can do any role well enough while also being a patient and smart player, he might not be better than zywoo, s1mple or Niko mechanically but he is the most well-rounded player
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He indeed is well rounded..but I am not really sure about his entry
zywoo has a lot of gamesense so i guess he would do fine as a caller, i think he talks a lot during games, from what i saw in vitas channel in comms
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I don't watch many Vitality games so i haven't really noticed it but if that's the case then he goes into first place with s1mple and ropz
1. Amanek
Buzz
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SolEk
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+137128913712893798173893721
f0rest
Xantares
s1mple for sure, crazy awp, crazy rifle, can lurk can entry probably not the best igl but not the worst and good enough since u cant deny that he for sure understands the game and i think the toxicity would be less since they are all on one page :D
ropz same as s1mple with a worse awp but better mindset.
and tbh an electronic in his prime I would probably consider as an canditate too.
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No
Gigachad rain
Daddy rain
GODRAIN
raining rain
rain
S1mple - Coz he won't mald at himself
Zywoo - Coz he is CS itself atm
Niko - Man can do everything there is to do in CS
Devve - Just because I like him
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very based take
Probably unpopular take but Mezii
Decent IGL exp
Never Toxic
Selfless player
Good mechanics
Juissi
arT and k0nfig weren’t mentioned yet
arT is versatile
at least one k0nfig will hit the game where he wins the matches by himself
5 blamefs and have infinite kd because never leave spawn
zywoo because he is the most skilled with all guns, he sometimes entry with rifles in vita and has a lot of gamesense
niko because i think people forget he is good with the awp, not god level but he is good, you would have 4 crazy riflers you dont even need that great of an awper
ropz because hes very skilled like zywoo and is very smart, im not sure about the entry part tho
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This is actually an interesting idea. Imagine training ultra-skilled bots with machine learning by feeding them demos from a specific player. Then you can give them roles and put different bots against each other. A lot of work, but it could be done.
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NAF
stavn
es3tag
Most supportive team with surprisingly quick AWP flicks.
Buzz, just play overpass every game EZ
Device
only ropz comes close in this debate for me. Device can do it all, and is consistent on top of it, it feels like people forget that he is probably just as good of a rifler as he is an awper as well.
Donk.
Crazy rifler
Godlike entry/2nd entry
Takes space by himself, not afraid to play
Can 2nd awp aswell when needed
Zyw0o easy
Best AWP
Best Rifle
Good entry
the only issue would be his tactics
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nah tactics won't be an issue...look:
zywoo what is your tactic?
"I don know I just go a I kill rotate b kill rotator go a smoke nade kill win round you know teamates good know eachother well no talk just go kill yes"
gottabe versatile IGL's.
Art, Tabsen, cadian and possibly... Jame?. Jame-ism(aka saving af) should work quite well with 5 james.
But Art is very underrated on this list. IGL'ing, entry, awping, automatics for eco rounds, good aim, does a bit of tomfoolery with lurking and it's pretty solid with both execs/trading.
prime is ZyWoo or coldzera
twistzz
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1. only real ans
2. Ropz
Pick one
Prime xyp9x, always clutch round, opponent always scared
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