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Today we saw what Counter-Strike: Global Offensive isn’t supposed to be, but what Counter-Strike 2 shall be. In its last day, the new has retired the old.
“The Turkish Plan”, as Brazil calls it, has put an end to the revival of Astralis and the second coming of dev1ce.
The Monte phenomenon has put KRIMZ on his knees in the game he has pioneered in its last day.
MOUZ has showed FalleN a glimpse of what is NXT, because the match was too short to show it all.
And the 9z project has finally beaten their nemesis: the conservatives of the traditional Virtus.pro.
All that in the same day ESL discussed changing Pro League’s game mid-tournament. It’s funny, isn’t it?
But out all of the results, one is the most impressive, in a bad way of course: FURIA’s.
32x9. No chances and a 7x1 score against a German organization in the process. Poetic.
The odyssey’s prologue starts in December 7th, 2022, and goes until January 5th, 2023. What happened? FURIA’s analyst decided to leave the team instead of renewing his contract. tacitus then announced that he would be in MIBR, thus forming, with legends BIT and nak, Brazil’s strongest coaching line up. After that, one saw a downhill and the other, a path ahead.
FURIA wasn’t the same and couldn’t even replicate a bit of what they showed when peaked during the Rio Major. The plays weren’t there; the magic just wasn’t there. There’s no way to say that it was because of tacitus’ absence, but it was speculated. Negative results came one after the other and as the season drew to a close along with being 0-3’d at a Major, roster changes were required. The people had decided: -drop and -saffee. They wanted +FalleN and one more.
The duo’s kick was expected, not because they were/are bad, but because it just wasn’t working. And the announcement came putting two of the best Brazilians available in the market. Fluxo, 00Nation, paiN, MIBR, LOS, Imperial, where were they headed to?
While the Roster Mania was getting crazier, FURIA’s news were actually simple: wants FalleN, in talks with fer.
And then: FalleN has reached agreement, scouting venomzera.
And then: FalleN is deciding with the team, few names discussed.
And then: FalleN and chelo signed for 1M usd.
Their former players? Ended up reuniting with tacitus at MIBR in what I already considered at the time Brazil’s most promising roster.
One team was looking in back to Brazil’s legacy and doing what the fans wanted. The other team, known for bad management, was looking in to the future and getting experienced young players to flourish their new IGL and ex-Academy players.
No surprise we ended up at where we are right now, or is there any?
Well, actually there are some. There are still 5 things I don’t understand and 1 I do understand, but made me surprised.
The only positive one is the sole related to MIBR: I really didn’t think they would improve that much faster.
insani is constantly doing “insani stuff”, exit has stepped up as a fragging IGL, brnz4n has become a solid player, drop’s Vertigos and Mirages are amazing along with his great second calling and saffee has reached his paiN form once again. Part of this is also thanks to Cerq, something FURIA may never experience.
What do I mean?
That takes us to the first out the 5 FURIA (bad) surprises:
1 - The lack of play
They don’t play games. That’s it. I’m not talking about how they’ve been on vacations recently while getting their visas ready and FalleN’s marriage. I’m talking about how they’ve barely played any official matches the whole fucking year. One thing drop has said that helped (read as “humbled”) MIBR was when they lost an Open Qualifier against Cerq’s mix, after that they reflected that they needed to play more cuz they still weren’t good enough.
2 - Why’s FalleN the IGL
I understand FalleN’s position and that he is historically one of CS:GO’s best IGLs, but one of the first rumours surrounding “FURIA FalleN” was that he would give up on the IGL position to arT in order to focus on AWPing and keep up with the world’s best AWPers. It didn’t happen.
arT has said that it has helped him, which is true, he’s been better individually, but the rest of the team? Down massively.
3 - Why is the coach untouchable
It’s important to remind that “coincidentally” the team’s best result came when Akkari was the coach, not guerri. So why is guerri the only thing that hasn’t changed in FURIA? They changed many AWPers, playstyles, players’ positions, analysts, IGLs, but the coach is still there as if he actually isn’t. I’m not saying guerri is bad, but I think that maybe he isn’t what this team need right now. They don’t need massages, they need some as cold as a poker player, or someone with new ideas and approaches.
4 - Where the f*ck is Anubis
Why don’t you play it? Why? Not even against another team that also bans it? HEROIC’S DUST2 TRAUMA TO THIS DAY? NO WAY, RIGHT???
Really, man, a map made for FURIA, but forgotten because FalleN has been permabanning it since Imperial? This map isn’t going anywhere, can’t you guys just go ahead and learn it?
The meta dual AWP set up is fit for a duo like arT and FalleN. A T-sided map is a given for an IGL whose strong side is the T like FalleN. A CT side as aggressive as Anubis’ is seems like a match made in heaven for arT and FURIA.
If you aren’t going to play it, just goddamn explain it thoroughly.
5 - What even is their map pool
Ok, you guys have a good Vertigo. And a decent Mirage (except today). Ancient? Please forget this traumatizing map. Nuke? It’s never good enough. Inferno? Bad. Overpass? FalleN’s map, but hasn’t shown much yet. Anubis? Play, please.
No Tier 1 team has a map pool this lacking. No more comments needed.
And that’s it, those are my biggest problems with FURIA. Before the current Pro League I had a clear Top 3 for Brazil where I could draw the line from the rest. Now, we are back to one year ago when we only had a single team standing at the top, thank god MIBR is still improving and getting ahead of the rest.
I can see Imperial getting better with their replacement on JOTA still, I like Sharks development lead by togs, I was surpreende by ex-Paquetá’s performance in Europe, I thought Legacy was finished but apparently they are not and paiN gave me a glimpse of hope recently. I feel Brazilian CS is finally getting things right after the last transfer window and has a good room for improvement.
While FURIA is left behind, the “new” is always looking up.
i ain't reading all that
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man be doing it for this magical thing called attention
holy shit, 1300 words
TLDR PLS BRONZIL
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nahh, just wait next tournament this time for sure
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You've got it all wrong, pal. CS is much more popular than Val here. What actually is happening is the death of Valorant. Riot's Tier 2 treatment is making many players leave the scene. For example, b4rtin who was a top player in our regional scene has come back to CS recently and is training to be a top pro again.
actually....because of Riot's poor treatment of valorant's tier 2, apparently many Brazilian orgs and players are withdrawing as a result.
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Jesus take it to a publisher lulw
dead scene
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No, it's dead.
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there is a lot of interest from us brazilians so no, it's not dead at all.
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rn it's dead
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peacemaker would make the team implode, juve is a good choice
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>peacemaker
m8, in a span of 8 years he literally averaged between 1-4 months before getting fired. MAD Lions was the only time he didnt get fired after a few months. In his last team, he legit got fired after 59 days.
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peacemaker has been real unlucky tbh
Complexity he was a good coach but the team was disastrous. He is still friends with blameF to this day, only good thing that remained.
Imperial he was kicked because FalleN thought they didn’t need a coach and wanted to put fnx as it on the next Major.
He actually left Team One by himself because the team wouldn’t train on NA and he wanted to move back to SA to have decent practice, or at least teams to practice against. The org’s owner said they wouldn’t move, so he moved himself.
Peacemaker leaves every team after 6 months having accomplished nothing he is the biggest paycheck stealer in the scene, they'd be better of getting someone else.
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paiN was dismantled. MIBR as a whole is a long term project with the best coaching line up backing them up. Our best prospect is there as well. And they have our best Academy, if saffee ever leaves, card is a perfect replacement. They've actually started doing a great job managing the team.
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probably but it look like the players have been kinda of sheltered from the egos of the other brazilian teams and actually look like they want to win rather than just getting a paycheck, really hoping that they do well.
That was great take and I haven't realized how things had fallen apart since Tacitus left. Thanks for the reflection.
I completely agree Guerri is a problem, either partly or fully. Also completely agree with the lack of matches. I have been saying this for quite some time as well. And I had hope when they started playing qualifiers, they even improved a little bit before pro league, and then they take 1 month off waiting for playoffs. Completely non-sense.
But what I recently realized is that Furia is doomed with FalleN as any team would be. He is just not commited enough. He should just retire. I saw 3 ads he recorded in the past two days, including a different game. He has his family, his business and a whole lot of other things to deal which most - if not all - top tier player don't have. And that is why he will never get back to T1. His time has passed and it is because his mind is no longer focused on CS.
My only last hope is MIBR. They have been playing really good CS lately, good fundamentals, the atmosphere seems good and they are young and hungry.
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Yeah, it's actually unbelievable how much of a "coincidence" MIBR's rise and FURIA's ruin happened at the same time tacitus changed orgs.
They weren't "waiting for playoffs", they had to comeback to Brazil to renew visas or smth like that. But they could've kept training here...
I think FalleN can still be good enough if he gives up on one role. He can't be IGL + AWP + Support. He gotta choose 2 max.
MIBR's future sure looks bright.
Thanks for the feedback and response!
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I still think there will be a Furia era.
Epic post btw.
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There may not be an "Era", but I still think an org that well managed financially is bound to meet success in the future. People may not know, but they've won a 500k tournament in RL (and also got Top 4 itw) and also achieved 2nd in Apex Worlds once. They will find a way out, I'm sure, but changes and explanations are needed. Brazil may be a joke in CS, but our scene is undying, we just need to know how to use it in its full potential.
Thanks for the feedback!
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If you stretch you can pretend he is an A class support and B class awper, but c'mon, he is not that good.
The whole furia look more disorganized under his leadership. Tbf, most of the furia players past their prime, I doubt, individual-speaking, they will do way better than before.
I think chelo should play more agressive roles than art. He could play less important roles. He throws a lot of rounds on mirage.
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As a short plan, yes. Probably the best bet. For mid or long range, no. Fallen awping is already pretty average and it won't go better. You cannot built to be a top team with an "average" awper. And honestly, 1.00 to 1.05 rating is not even average. Also, why the f*** him and art very often double awping ? It is not a double awp meta at all. Nothing in the actual gameplay of Furia is really sharp or makes sense. Double awp too often, very slow round without proper map control, not enough agressive peeks on ct sides.
They are really far from been a good team atm.
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I agree about long term, but problem is: we lack AWPers. Totally. It’s nuts. So FalleN is the answer for now and was both the fan’s and player’s (not arT) dream.
I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DOUBLE AWP. AND THE ONLY MAP WITH META DOUBLE AWP IS THEIR FUCKING PERMA BAN.
Slow round is typical FalleN stuff, we just pray it will be alright.
Yeah, FURIA not being aggressive is weird as fuck. Guess they don’t play Anubis cuz they don’t want to take those risks on CT, but that’s fundamentally wrong imo and they are wasting their potential as roster.
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I agree they should try "new maps" Ancient, anubis, etc. They don't have a good map pool. So, better build from the scratch on those new maps.
COL, Liquid, Mibr are trying to do that. COL on anubis and ancient, Mibr on anubis and vertigo, Liquid on ancient. Inferno, mirage required a lot of firepower or a lot of cohesion, which is not really the case of Furia.
Edit : even Eg pick very often ancient.
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No Ancient. There isn’t a single Brazilian who wants to watch them playing this map, it’s too traumatizing, I don’t think we’ve ever had a good FURIA Ancient match and is the map that cost us a Major final in OT. We just want it gone. They’ve really tried to play Ancients, it’s time to ban it.
MIBR has a special case with Anubis that they played (and lost) the first official HLTV Anubis, so they’ve been grinding it from day 1.
FURIA only has Vertigo and not even Mirage is safe anymore. I wish their Overpass would be typical FalleN (good), but it doesn’t seem ready.
Their map pool is bad an, imo, the first fix is the Ancient perma ban and start playing Anubis.
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tbf, furia try to play ancient on speed mode. It is now a slow, grindy map. It fits more with Falen style. Also, you still can have fast art style round.
The map overall fit more with Furia.
Overpass, yeah, Fallen like the map. I think it is his best map. He was the most innovative on it, but at the same time, you have Furia who didn't have a proper overpass before. So, I don't know.
I agree with overpass, but I think perma ban ancient is a mistake.
Vitality was one of the worst team on nuke. They lost to a f*** bubble's mix. They grind it a lot and now, they are one of the best.
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Maybe Ancient fits FURIA, but never worked for them, so I am never sure. But I will keep believing that Anubis is THE FURIA MAP. I have since it came out, and will still believe until they start making me regret it after losing 16x5 in the first two maps.
FURIA didn’t play Overpass because the players don’t like the map and didn’t want to train it. Really pathetic and they weren’t even bad. I don’t understand how they’ve gotten 2 Overpass specialists and the map still sucks.
I actually know, it’s guerri, probably.
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tbf I don't think it is only guerri fault's. It was not the perma ban of Furia. Overpass didn't fit with old furia's style. So, it makes sense to not use it well.
Also, I don't see Guerri as a elite coach, but honestly, except cogu, no br coach is really stepping it up.
Peacemaker is a joke, zakk chose lucas instead of jotas. Dead was a manager disguised as a coach.
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FURIA has literally changed in every possible aspect with the exception of guerri. They have to try changing coaches.
peacemaker isn’t a joke, but maybe not elite.
Zakk is honestly our best coach, he didn’t change JOTA for LUCAS1, you misunderstood it. They wanted JOTA benched months ago, but decided to try some more after the transfer window. Didn’t work out and now they are benching him. nowayzao was supposed to be the stand-in for Blast, but his visa was denied, so they chose LUCAS1 because he knows the team well. LUCAS1 will only play Showdown and they’ll announce the 5th player shortly after. It’s expected to actually be nowayzao pro breakout (finally), but just a rumor still.
tge (from 9z) is also a great Brazilian coach.
BIT (MIBR) is our second best.
rikz (paiN) is good.
righi (ex-Paquetá) also nice.
zews isn’t tha bad, he put Fluxo in the Major.
dead is a manager, yeah.
We have some good coaches, and elite ones like zakk and BIT, but FURIA solutions is simple to me. A F/A coach that also speaks Portuguese: Juve, from ITB.
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my bad, i meant bit, not cogu. an another great 1.6 player.
putting a team in the major is not really accomplishement, specially considered the firepower of the lineup and how they almost lost to nobody at the RMR. At the major, they were clearly the worst team.
I thought lucas was a permanent player. I'll keep jota instead of him until the other come, but maybe Jota didn't want.
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Both are legends. It’s okay.
And they are even worse now after kicking the coach god only knows why. I thinks zews deserve another chance in another team like Fluxo, but I don’t know if he would since he’s been streaming a lot lately.
I’d do the same. I really dislike LUCAS1 game nowadays and his attitude on stream (like calling legit players as stream snipers) has been trashy af. There were better players for this opportunity (I’m looking at you, chay).
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I understand why Imperial change jota for a young blood, but honestly I don't understand why furia didn't bring jota instead of chelo. Jota is a better passive/support player and fit better for the roles.
Chelo is an agressive rifler, forced to be play passive. And even that, i'm not sold on him at all. The buyout for this really average guy is crazy. He is ultra inconsistent on imperial and on furia. Ok, he used to carry mibr while igling, but honestly, they were playing SA/NA online qualifiers. Junior, Safee or Osee were smurfing those kind of events and there is a world of difference between them against t1.
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Me neither. Actually I was really into FURIA boltz kind of stuff. But not chelo.
chelo’s Mirage today was awful, his deaths were pure disaster, I honestly couldn’t watch. They gotta rethink how they are giving out roles, even if they end up sacrificing YUURATO, Idc anymore.
He was only carrying MIBR while IGLing because he was a bad IGL, that’s my take on this.
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drop had many problems on FURIA.
Problems with social media, he became a scapegoat and he didn’t have voice. If you ever hear him talking about a match or comms you’ll understand how much the kid improves when heard, and that’s what happened in MIBR.
While he was being sacrificed in FURIA, now he has a comfortable space to develop.
i'll wait for the movie adaptation
Great post man, you highlighted some things that should be more obvious to the Brazilian community.
It's very strange that Furia never took away all this role that the Guerri has, using the excuse that he has a good relationship with the players. That doesn't look very professional, especially in this era of high-level CS. Junior, Honda, Drop, Saffe and many other players have kicked out of the team, but only the coach seems to have an untouchable role in the organization.
Regarding Fallen, to this day I find it a little embarrassing that the community and the organization's owners treated his signing as if it were a title. I admire MIBR much more for having made a sieve to put Insani in the main team, and I think that this should be the path that other organizations should follow too.
Unfortunately, it seems that in Brazil organizations are more concerned with maintaining engagement than with developing the national scene. Just look at Imperial calling Lucas1 to play in a Blast. As long as the orgs cling more to views than to results, we will continue to lose to The Mongolz and other teams from much weaker regions.
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Thank you! I’m replying everyone but HLTV was bugging and your comment wasn’t showing, finally it appeared out of nowhere.
guerri has to go, at least as coach. New ideas, a coach that doesn’t burn talent and someone that can help the team keep their cool.
Yeah, at least they didn’t fully listen to the community and added fer to this shitshow, would be worse.
MIBR PROJECT FTW!
I understand their POV, most orgs can’t compete even if they go full bootcamp investment and that would make them go broke, so they invest on media an such. Except our best 4 shouldn’t be doing that.
I can accept the LUCAS1 stand-in choice just because they tried nowayzao before (his visa was denied) and they have another 5th player set to be announced. LUCAS1 knows the players and coach so it’s valid for a Blast Showdown.
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Your writing is so good you almost got me to care about MIBR LUL
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Amazing post
Edit: Also, I wanted to add that one thing that really infuriates me with Furia right now is that art is playing in all of the positions/roles that Chelo should be playing. When the rumors came out that Furia was gonna sign fallen and chelo, I was scared that this scenario would happen, but then I thought to myself "Surely, they'll make Chelo play in art's roles, while art ends up taking drop's roles since chelo is mechanically better than art and because it just makes sense", but then the scenario that I was afraid of came to life. This favoritism that Furia has for people like art and guerri is causing their downfall and it's both nice and sad to see.
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Thank you!
Edit reply: So the thing is, and I am just replicating arT’s words, when FalleN became the IGL, arT’s role was changed. What he meant is that he doesn’t need to communicate for others and play for Yuurih and KSCERATO, so he now can focus in himself (and this reflects in his performances that have been at their best individually speaking). Being more selfish, arT now takes all the aggression and do what he wants, leaving chelo the dirty job.
I think if arT went back to IGLing and more like an all-rounder inside the team, he would be able to let chelo shine.
I won’t say anything about guerri cuz I simply don’t understand him at all.
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It's sad that Furia's ruining chelo's career by making him play all of the terrible roles when he's literally better than art
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Thanks for the kind words, I was inspired after FURIA’s disasterclass today.
Probably not happening. When MIBR benched WOOD7, sold chelo, sold JOTA and benched Tuurtle, they’ve had a replacement planned and actually gained from it.
They first put chelo as IGL, then JOTA as IGL, then went with exit to IGL and the team always improved little by little with the IGL change and the new player coming into the roster. There were some doubtful decisions like brnz4n as AWPer along the way but they were fixed reasonably fast.
When benched Tuurtle and HEN1, they sniped the two best replacements in the BR market and were both upgrades, great fit.
saffee and drop aren’t going back to FURIA, that’s certain. I doubt FURIA will ever go after exit. And brnz4n and insani have CRAZY buyouts since the Academy (when they were there, each of them was 600k usd).
According to arT, the player they wanted before going with FalleN (which was expensive by himself, 700k usd) was more expensive than Yuurih’s + KSCERATO’s + arT himself’s buyouts combined. It’s speculated that the player was indeed insani. Some think it may be skullz, but I don’t think so.
MIBR has a long term plan and will protect itself with expensive buyout clauses just like FURIA has done in the past before becoming what it is today.
thought on constipation?
I believe that Tacitus may have a bit of an influence on this drop in yield.
Furia had an art lead for 5 years and had an aggressive style, Fallen came to add the passive style in their game, I believed they would merge the styles, because Furia used to do well against teams outside the top 10, but lost to teams with well-assembled standards.
Hopefully they can integrate the passive style and remain aggressive to vary the speed of play when they need to climb that rung they never reached
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Furia fans coping so hard they entered the writing novels stage
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Brazilian CS in general have this problem. They play very little official matches and the ones played are not the best ones. That put us on a position of most theoretical knowledge, but subpar practical experience. And like Tyson said "everybody has a plan, until they get punched in the face". We need to start playing more and better camps asap
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MIBR is doing that going full Europe.. Sharks is doing more Europe bootcamps. Even ex-Paquetá did. Legacy is playing more in Europe as well. And they are all constantly playing when in SAM.
Only teams that aren’t doing it are FURIA (which makes no sense at all considering that they are now Europe-based) and Imperial (no idea why).
We really need to play more like Tier 2 EU.
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>play more like tier 2 EU
How do you expect that to happen when only MIBR seems to have any true effort and potential towards that considering their move towards EU, and with the various problems BR CS has like outrageous buyouts that are basically artificially inflated and a lack of IGLs (which is a problem worldwide in the scene but still) and even game sense. Even with EU bootcamps.
Even Asian CS has basically overtaken Brazilian CS considering Brazil has lost to Asia like 5 times this year as of now for example. Nearly all of them is due to one single team who have shown signs of being able to contend with EU despite scrim practice being generally poor for them due to their region of origin and constant roster changes.
And if we go with recency bias, even NA has shown some glimmer of life due to coL.
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Problem with moving to EU is not being able to see family and friends and most Brazilian orgs can’t afford. Even bootcamps are too expensive sometimes. But, yeah, the rest you got it right.
I am really happy for Asian CS btw, happy for them and for CS. The Mongolz and the Chinese small success is good enough to protect the scene from being overtaken by Valorant there.
Yes, let’s go COL! I am a big Jeorge fan so I want EG to have success even if it’s at least once…
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Thank you! I’m ignoring those, I am actually pretty happy that I had lots of good answers and feedback, I honestly didn’t expect this kind of good response. I hope the same, loved 9z game today!
I was thinking about writing on 9z if they win tomorrow or when they get eliminated, a fantastic reference for minor region projects. But I don’t think it would be as good as this one xD
De nada! 🤜🏼🤛🏼
good read
I want to congratulate you LUXPLA on this and say that I agree with much of what you've made clear, especially regarding the behind-the-scenes work of Tacitus and Bit.
But I want to bring up two points. I believe that Chelo doesn't have the level for Tier 1. CS hasn't stopped being a game of chess, and I strongly believe that precise aiming is a crucial part of a Tier 1 team, which Chelo lacks. While successful teams have lowered their mouse sensitivities, we still have sensitivities above 2.5, except for Fallen. The entire MIBR team has a maximum sensitivity of 2.2, which I find fantastic because it seems like Insani has the same sensitivity as b1t...(b1t 1.42...Insani 2.2 400dpi -> how good he is). I'd like to mention that I have an orthodox theory about mouse sensitivity; it's my perspective.
I believe that FURIA will need to completely rebuild based on the trio of ART, Yuurih, and Kscerato, but with Insani and Saffee. And once again, Tacitus will return with Bit!!!
Will we be winners? We'll never know for sure, maybe not, but the work must be professional and, at the same time, media-friendly. FURIA made a mistake by leaning too much towards the media side, not so much because of Fallen but because of Chelo.
Clearly, FURIA needed to make a change with DROP. There was a lack of maturity, and they also needed to test another IGL besides ART.
It ended in quite a mess, didn't it?
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I will ignore the sense theory cuz that’s too crazy.
First, heavily disagree on chelo. He had the best HS% on Imperial iirc, so aim isn’t the problem. His role is. You see, new arT isn’t as needed as before, so “tiraram a coleira” and he is overperforming. But him alone.
chelo is being sacrificed and all of his good points, like his aggression, aren’t being explored. His situation is close to drop’s and he will soon become another scapegoat. FURIA’s solution may lie in another coach that finds a way to put this team together. chelo is ready but they need to let him shine. Media didn’t ask for chelo, they wanted fer (even worse) so don’t say that FURIA went “media way” for him.
saffee isn’t going back, FURIA’s playstyle destroyed his game which he has regained, so I doubt he will set foot there again as player.
insani isn’t going to be sold. MIBR wants to build long term around him, set up a HUGE buyout clause and the have the leverage knowing that they are as good as or even better than FURIA right now.
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As Art has mentioned, now that he no longer has the responsibility of being the IGL (In-Game Leader) of the team, his individual performance has improved. However, it's important to note that this improvement hasn't translated into better overall performance for FURIA.
I don't want to create conspiracy theories, but it's possible that Art may not handle another leader in the team very well, even unconsciously. Seeing Art outside of FURIA would be shocking, but perhaps it could be better for both Art's personal growth and the team's development.
I think ART needs another chance after Fallen, his last resort.
I wish him to recovery fast from his illness.
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I want him IGL. He is an unique piece of Counter-Strike and FalleN’s game is just going to hold him back. “Hold back? But he is playing better.” Yes, but actually no, his rating is better, but an IGL’’s game translates into the performance of the rest of the team (Hooxi ideal example), so he was better before.
I want FalleN to focus on AWPing only and handle the crown to arT. Just let us see how it works out.
Same 🙏🏼
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Best thread I've read in months probably
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arT is never taking AWPer role. He isn’t as good with that gun as he would have to be and they’ve tried before and he failed at the task.
Also, FalleN’s rifle wouldn’t justify him being on the team.
I really am convinced that FalleN fit would be “Support + passive AWPing”. With arT IGLing and chelo taking on the “crazy entry roles”.
Very good post, are you trying to get hired by HLTV?
I think this team is absolutely done. Boring cs, fallen's playstyle killing yuurih and kscetato, chelo is bad, art and fallen not good enough.
Mibr seem really promissing, though i still think drop is a bot, maybe there is enough firepower in the other guys.
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In his post-match interview with exit after they beat...MOUZ I think? Drop mentioned he was second calling whether exit isn't able to IGL, so it can be assumed he's basically there to IGL whenever exit can't during whatever match. Which I think basically formed after his departure from FURIA since he now has more freedom to leave suggestions etc.
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Yeah, drop didn’t have any influence on FURIA which was holding him back, now he is the experienced player in this young roster, so they listen to him.
He once played and streamed an open qual with a mix (after the FURIA kick) and the way he was guiding the team and handling the situations were very nice.
He also did a MIBR game review with sidde (FURIA analyst) recently and he explains whatever is happening better than 90% of our pros. Heavily underrated player.
And I fixed the #130, it’s #133 now.
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So in a nutshell, drop is basically all game sense but a decoy in gameplay.
Now having game sense and an understanding of what's happening is what's needed in this era of CS, but man fragging could still use some more work since unless you're an IGL, being able to frag out is basically needed now.
Still, being able to have a good understanding of the game is something that's frankly rare for teams these days so him being there is an actual asset since he now has a voice to give input.
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All drop need right now is to play the rest of the map pool (5 maps lmao) like he does with his Mirages and Vertigos. Not that he is bad, it’s just that we know his potential and he doesn’t show in the rest of the maps. Luckily for him, MIBR usually play at least one of them.
And another luck element for him is that exit is an IGL that FRAGS and CLUTCHES. exit’s nickname in Brazil is “Clutch Prince”. Imo, he was MIBR’s best player during this last CCT, better than insani even.
I wouldnt say he is all game sense. Maybe he is more experienced than the other players, but he keeps getting caught in unfavorable situations and acting too unresponsible in game.
as you and the brazilian pointed out in the other comment, he is second igling and guiding the team in other situations. Maybe despite his lack of firepower and periodic "boticity", he might be the glue this team needs to work together.
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Neither would I. I really don’t think he lacks responsibility, I think it’s mostly because he takes on the bad roles and that’s tough.
He hasn’t really been lacking that much firepower. And often top frags when is Mirage /Vertigo and that’s 50% of MIBR’s games. And he isn’t even the main rifler nor the star player.
Thank you! Wasn’t my intention lmao, but wouldn’t be bad haha I don’t think they are done. I think a specific head should roll and then they need to get things sorted out before it’s too late. I recommend you watch any Mirage or Vertigo MIBR has played, he isn’t a bot at all. He is just the “carregador de piano” and plays solo/difficult roles. One of his strengths also lie in-game, he is such a great communicator and second caller, you’d expect he eventually becomes an IGL when matured.
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Furia desperatly needs someone like zews, it would make wonders to bring real winning mentality to these guys.
I think drop seems a bit unfocused on the game from time to time. As i said in #170, he might be the glue this team needs to work together, so fair play to him. I hope mibr can reach tier 1.
Keep writing those analysis, i think you have good writing skills and is knoledgable, making a favour to this website.
Take care.
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hltv should hire a br writter, they barely touch on SA SCENE WHICH IS FULL OF TEAMS, amateur teams but u know, u have an audiency ready to copium hard... btw, how can hltv didn't writte a single thing about "br scene is saving cs" or "why the major audiency of counter strike resides in SA and why they struggle so hard on having competititve teams", with all the respect its cool to read tier 1 news but u can explore more, like SA or china or talking about NA, bringing some stats about teams leaving there. So much content, what do you guys think?
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They have dust2br, so it is something, but it’s a news site that barely opines on anything so it doesn’t really count. I would like to see them explore posts about other regions more, specially China. Brazil is self-sustainable, but with Valve planning to host a China Major next year, it’s important to invest more there before Valorant takes the whole scene for themselvesz
Very good read, I agree pretty much with everything you've said. I think the sooner they let Art IGL the better, but I also think this will be hard for FalleN, the same way it's being hard for Art (mentally only cuz ofc his performance improved). It's hard for those used to lead to let go.
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tldr, but I believed
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my dreams became memes tho :(
1 point club OMEGALUL
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insani is pretty cool, but other than him I'm not a big fan of this mibr. When it comes to brazilian cs I just like the LG/SK era
hltv.org/fantasy/391/league/158311/team/..
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It really doesn’t because I never said MIBR was better than FURIA. Well, after yesterday’s game I think they probably are, but it isn’t nowhere close the point of the text. I talked MIBR’s development as a team and individually and how, contrary to that, FURIA has been getting worse.
Just so you can measure, it hasn’t been even a full year since tacitus changed teams, so what I think is still happening, his impact.
Anyway, half of the text is talking about FURIA’s problems and they have nothing to do with MIBR, so I if had to guess, I’m going all in with the fact that you didn’t read it.
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Oh, thank you, thank you!
Expanded map pool, yes, but they have to invest more into Overpass and Anubis. Mirage and Nuke are going to improve just by getting better as a team, in the big picture.
They have the pieces, but I’d still change coaches, go after Juve (ex-ITB), preferably. I’d REALLY like IGL role to go back to arT, I think FalleN would improve individually and as a supporter, arT would play more for the team and help KSCERATO and Yuurih peak more and chelo would be able to take on the entry and aggressive roles he specializes more frequently.
Furia has built an entertaining style of CS everyone has fun watching.
Frustration comes from people expecting more, in reality Furia player may just be happy doing what they do.
And it's fine, developing an entertaining way of playing CS is accomplishment on its own because this is an entertainment industry.
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I think they moved too far from the og system. Sure it had flaws despite it being the most entertaining CS to watch, but I feel like what Furia needed to win more was just ability to hold back for like 4 rounds per half, maybe 5.
Just use their overwhelming aggression as a condition for a few slow rounds.
Because what happens often is Furia wins 1-st map cause opponent's comms are in shambles when Furia is somehow planting 15 seconds into the round. Second map opponents get used to such tempo and fight back but Furia does not change.
What I'd do if I had some power in Furia was keep the first map as absolute madness and then pull back a bit in second map, bait a lot with some fake quick executes and profit off of that.
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Yeah, maybe that would work. You’ve got some interesting perspective that I can agree. Problem is: they’ve been dismantling their original system for months now because “it doesn’t work”. And with guerri who seems to have reached his ceiling as coach and FalleN who is one of the slowest IGLs in the game, to go back to that “arTstyle”, roles and structural changes have to happen.
To me, first step is -guerri and then let arT IGL again.
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They had problems that this MIBR team apparently don’t. MIBR will be full-time in Europe, play more official matches and seem to be getting more invites. Also younger team, got more potential and has better backing and coaching staff.
i want paiN to go back to their previous form again as well, but that will be hard playing in Brazil.
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well, this could be an hltv feed post
I wouldn't read tldr of this either respect brother
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Yea ure damn right its confusing af xd should have used comma before respect brother.I respect the amount of efford u put for this extremely long analysis.
I have read it btw and all i wanna say is good luck for you fellas.Its always fun to see Brasil in action :)
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Quote: "couldn’t even replicate a bit of what they showed when peaked during the Rio Major. The plays weren’t there"
You are forgetting one crucial difference between RioMajor and these other tournaments after it. "The home crowd with voiceout strat tips weren't there" now when Furia doesn't play in Brazil
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That FURIA line up had just got a Pro League Top 4 and a IEM Dallas Top 4 coming into the Major. Those can be “okay results” for Tier 1/S teams, but are some of the org’s best ever. They had momentum coming into the Major and left the tournament showing what they could achieve. And then everything fell apart months after.
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> I was ironic because the org’s best result was with Akkari (org’s owner and top poker player) behind the players. What I meant is that they need a coach that also helps with their mental, besides the new ideas.
> He is though. Only IGL to get HLTV Top 2 also. Keep that in mind.
> It is. As weird as it may sounds for for. If you kept a close eye on Imperial you would know that the team couldn’t play like they did in Blast all the time because their CT was always lacking. Even on goddamn Nuke.
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Fallen was one of the best fraggers, no player gets into the top 20 let alone top 2 for being a good IGL, just take a look at karrigan, pronax, nitr0 when Liquid was on fire for instance. Incredibely one dimensional, couldn't adapt his slow default-heavy playstyle to modern day CSGO, which actually rewards playing slowly. He is using similar strats from back in 2017. Notoriously known for not being good with working with coaches (kicked nak in 4 months despite good results, when zews left instead of going for a true coach went for his manager just so he could have more power over the team and said publicy that he didn't need a coach, just like he did with peacemaker and fnx on Imperial). Probably one of the worst IGLs EVER to develop talent (felps, boltz, meyern, stewie, kng, hen1, major MVP tarik etc.). Doesn't change himself when he comes into new teams, just like when he joined Liquid and absolutely destroyed ther map pool, Fallen has been historiacally stubborn to play Nuke, which was LITERALLY Liquid's pick and they had over 60%+ WR on it and he made it their ban and he is only playing it now with FURIA because of his stubborness to not learn Anubis (FURIA's WR % on Nuke past 3 months is 42% btw).
And I don't see FURIA's T sides as solid tbh, their poor Ancient T sides vs NAVI, 00Nation and Monte came to mind but maybe they just struggle on T side on that map
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I agree with with FalleN’s problems with coaches and this time this is what FURIA needs, “goodbye guerri”. Lmao.
I agree with the talent thing and with the map pool thing (but nowadays only). Nuke was also a disaster on Imperial until its last days btw. But on Liquid it wasn’t that “he made it their ban”, they banned it until he got used to it because when he joined the team the IGL was Stewie still. Then they started playing it again and he did well tbf.
I’d honestly prefer the Ancient permaban than Nuke, both FURIA and FalleN have never had solid Ancients and they don’t even seem to understand the map.
They struggle on every map (besides Vertigo) T or CT now, it’s a general problem. And you remember those cuz their Ancient is the biggest map problem imo not because how “bad” it is but how they always think it’s good and becomes a let down.
They are terrible on Inferno but they refrain on playing it and when they do, don’t seem to feel the loss. Which is different for Ancient.
Furia since hen1 left is just a downward spiral. Moves that failed. A coach that is out of his depth (remember that disgusting major performance with like 0 T side rounds).
Worst thing is bringing FalleN back. This guy is no longer a t1 awper and idk about his igling. Kscerato’s prime is being wasted BIG time.
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I just think FalleN’s time in t1 ended at like 2020. He was alright in Imperial but that team had 0 expectations.
I’d rather they kick him go 5 rifle and bring in TACO to igl. Took the core of that fake natty team to top 15 in the world that guy is legit.
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Yeah, maybe. Problem is we lack AWPers in general.
Lol that would be nuts with arT semi-AWPing, but he can IGL, I’m sure. TACO is better off (and what he apparently want to do) developing talent like he did on GODSENT. Guy is a blessing to our scene, the way he always put himself last is beautiful tbh.
FURIA would be better getting Juve as coach, maybe going international for an AWPer and getting a rifler like boltz or JOTA, not an entry like chelo.
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Idk why teams are so scared of going full 5 rifles. A decent rifler is far better than some awper averaging 1.04 rating.
I remember Swedish NIP was very successful with 5 rifles and secondary awpers. I don't think they had the talent to go farther than their like top 7 ranking but its the most recent example I can think of.
The real problem with awpers is I don't think arT calls well for awpers except hen1. Even worse is outside furia the lower end BR squads rarely play a lot internationally so you don't see the real elite talent from the average until they go to furia.
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Yeah, maybe you are right I can see where you are coming from. Trying would hurt no one.
Actually yeah, he is like dexter who has problems calling for AWPs.
Nah, I watch Brazilian matches so I can say we know how to identify the talent and who they are. We do lack good AWPers for real. The bigger problem is that our Tier 2 don’t play with/against the best (not even w/a OUR best), because they don’t have opportunities to do so, then they stagnate.
Great post, good to see and read such a thought-through gem amidst all the trash that's getting dumped here.
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nice paper u should share
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tldr?
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biguzera and skullz wouldn’t happen. paiN would never sell them because they want to build and rebuild around one’s IGL and the other’s firepower. Their line now is both of them + 3 young guns (all are good prospects btw).
skullz wouldn’t leave by himself either, he likes being on paiN because he plays on his comfy zone/role and that helped him a lot. Also, biguzera wouldn’t have space as they would refuse to give him IGL role anyway. One more thing is that they would still need an AWPer since arT can’t really do it.
i agree with you
i think
And yet, Furia was the only team to qualify for EPL playoffs... Also, forget about trophies, Brazilian teams care about results just enough to keep playing in the top leagues to get the exposure and make money selling merch. Furia hired Fallen to sell jerseys.
Anyway, this is what is going to happen in 1 year, when none of Brazilian teams get any trophies, they will shuffle their players again, and then, after another year, when none of Brazilian teams get any trophies, they will shuffle their players again, and then, after another year, when none of Brazilian teams get any trophies, they will shuffle their players again....
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according to Mibr, what are their goals? so far they are doing exactly what i expect them to do, hired good players and are playing a lot to stay relevant, also losing a lot. lets see in 9 months what they will do in the transfer period.
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furia does. and staying in Europe doesnt mean that they are committed long term to this players and would fire everyone and reset the team development
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MIBR is in fact commited long term though. That’s why they believed in exit as IGL and is keeping insani at all costs.
FURIA does not. They barely play, only IEMs and EPLs and as Majors have shown, teams that play more even in Tier 2-3 are bound to be more consistent and perform more. This trend’s exception are Top 5 teams which FURIA is far from.
bruh wrote an exam essay
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In the world of professional CS:GO, there have been significant changes and developments, particularly with the Brazilian teams FURIA and MIBR. FURIA's performance has been disappointing for various reasons:
They haven't played many official matches throughout the year.
FalleN, initially rumored to give up the IGL position to focus on AWPing, remained as the IGL.
The coach, guerri, hasn't changed despite better results under a previous coach.
FURIA hasn't played the map Anubis, which could suit their strengths.
Their map pool appears to be lacking compared to other Tier 1 teams.
Meanwhile, MIBR has shown improvement, and Brazilian CS seems to be evolving positively. FURIA is seen as falling behind while other teams are making progress.
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For a piece as long as this you almost made it readable with how enthralling your writing was,
Excellent job.
we should all apologise for our low attention span.
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