Forum thread: Shroud truth

the fuck , he isnt anywhere close to be a legendary player

2023-09-27 04:11

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Real

2023-09-27 05:43

stop making stupid people famous,the fact that u created a thread on shroud is enough for him to get into discission .stop discussing abt shroud and he will fadeaway just like a nobody

2023-09-27 05:46

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schizo alert

2023-09-27 06:11

You don't get the kind of views worth paying $20 million+ if they're not a "legendary player" lol

2023-09-27 05:47

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he's a legendary player in the way that he just struck gold at the right time and is still living from the public media clout of that time

2023-09-27 06:34

He’s not a legendary player, but he wasn’t bad like HLTV fanboys who are insecure about Valorant like to pretend he was. He was a good NA player.

2023-09-27 04:13

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Good NA player = average EU player

2023-09-27 04:23

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Shroud in his peak, would have been an average EU starter in tier 1 yes. His numbers from 2015-2016 are comparable to players such as current (meaning the 2023 season) Dycha, FlameZ, rain, HObbit, etc. So he would be like, a 3rd/4th player on tier 1 playoff-ish teams in EU.

2023-09-27 04:34

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average EU starter coundt make NA relevant, example Yekindar, but Shroud and his team was relevant in the scene back in the day, yes he isnt legendary, but you could consider him a local legend

2023-09-27 05:47

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I mean, (imo) n0thing and Ska >

2023-09-27 05:48

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yeah, definitely, couldnt argue with that

2023-09-27 05:49

He was pretty mediocre in a very weak era of CS tbh. 1.00 rating against top 20 all time. 1.04 against top 30 He just farmed dogshit NA teams and had pop off tournaments every once in awhile. He wasn't bad but his lack of commitment stopped him from being an actually good player. He's not even a top 20 NA player ever tbh. oSee is objectively a better player than Shroud ever was.

2023-09-27 04:39

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You think 2015/16 was a weak era of CS? Major winning Fnatic, French Envy, the Golden Five, HiKo Liquid, the OG Ninjas, Titan, Rain Kinguin/G2, LG, hell, even the original version of Astralis was together, just not on the org yet.

2023-09-27 04:40

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Hiko Liquid -> the team that didn't win anything lmfao. The fact is shroud farmed NA but against actually good opponents him + the team struggled. It's no surprise NA actually started winning some things when new blood was given a chance (stewie, tarik, naf, brehze, etc.)

2023-09-27 04:47

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As I said in #8 his numbers are comparable (in his "prime") to solid tier 1 EU pros.

2023-09-27 04:50

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Except those tier 1 pros are doing it in a harder circuit where it is way harder to be dominant than it was in 2016.

2023-09-27 04:53

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I mean, but that's true for literally everyone. I guess that means a good rifler in this era, say... HuNter, is like... a legend in 2015 to you? Just bc the game has developed in the last 7 years?

2023-09-27 04:58

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I agree with #11 on his argument about shroud "farming" and lack of commitment, since... comeon: hltv.org/stats/players/8349/shroud?start.. The fact that a few months before shrouds retirement he had one of his best performances (even though autimatic and stewiie were better) ever, and at what? the age of 22? retiring less than 2 years later? just bad. But... "tier 1 pros are doing a harder circuit[...]" That'll never be true lol It's like saying kareem, magic, wilt or larry bird aren't as good just because they played at a different time than MJ or Lebron. They were the best of their time, and should be seen as standards. Doesnt matter the year. If shroud did good in 2016, then he's good. If he did bad, then he's bad. Simple as that.

2023-09-27 05:18

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could argue the online era has less value than the other though

2023-09-27 06:49

Your first sentence make your whole comment not worthy of reading Quite sure u dont know much if u call weak era 2015-16.

2023-09-27 04:48

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Shroud was on c9 from 2014 - 2017. They won a singular tournament. He posted a 1.00 rating against top 20 teams. If you think he would somehow do better in today's scene you're delusional. There were great teams in 2015/16 but the level of competition is way higher now. He objectively was an extremely mediocre player in an era where your skills could still carry you and the meta wasn't as defined.

2023-09-27 04:51

i agree w you but those stats only include october 2015 and after bc thats when rankings started

2023-09-27 05:17

Xyp9x clears shroud

2023-09-27 04:22

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well no shit, what a useless comment

2023-09-27 04:28

He was decent quality player, but surely not a legend. When Internet started to be key factor of people living (around 2016-17-18) he decided to make a move ; marketing, streaming etc. He was part of generation where LAN was everything, and FaceIT / ESEA were considered as nothing.

2023-09-27 04:31

I think that he has a lot of NA normies in his audience, so for them it looks incredible.

2023-09-27 04:35

He definitely was one of the best prospects NA had, which is not that great if we compare it to EU, and could be considered as NA legend, but most of his hype was due C9 days highlights and him leaving to focus on full streaming, which was rather a smart and genuinely mature move. PUBG was one of the key parts that brought him success I guess, he was quite good at it in the early days. I personally can't enjoy his streams. I'm not into hype or screamy persons, but he was way too bland

2023-09-27 04:38

He's legendary because of his streams and clips, not because of skill in the game

2023-09-27 04:39

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^This

2023-09-27 04:43

I watched most his streams in 2016-2017-2018 they were all snooze fests

2023-09-27 04:48

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ok he's still legendary because of his streams and clips

2023-09-27 04:48

Shroud has never been really good at any game. He is usually decent at games when they start getting big. Then normally he stops playing them and gets forgotten. Regarding NA prospects by far the biggest one was swag.

2023-09-27 04:41

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I mean, as a player, he's REALLY good at a lot of games. Just not pro level.

2023-09-27 04:43

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Ofc, but he never sticks to a game for that long to become pro level, though obviously he would have the capacity, no doubt on that.

2023-09-27 04:44

Not biggest in popularity but I also think that Leaf going to Valorant was a huge hit to the NA scene he was super young, had a good work ethic, was under a good coach, was a smart player, and was mechanically gifted Him and Xeppaa should've been the future of the scene imo

2023-09-27 04:45

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That whole ghost team leaving hurt the scene a lot.

2023-09-27 04:53

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I miss when NA had Triumph, Ghost, and Chaos :(((

2023-09-27 04:54

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Oh yeah the leaf and Xeppa team was chaos :( RIP

2023-09-27 04:55

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All but Jonji and MarkE are in valorant now :(

2023-09-27 04:56

n0thing is the only legend from NA

2023-09-27 04:44

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more like NA is nothing

2023-09-27 04:57

2023-09-27 04:58

RIP Twistzz and Stew I guess

2023-09-27 05:03

twistzz has done way more than n0thing ever did lol

2023-09-27 05:30

Good gamer, bad professional. And that's fine not everyone wants to be a pro eSports player, obviously his choice in streaming was the correct one.

2023-09-27 05:19

Legendary player? Not in csgo atleast.

2023-09-27 06:24

Who?

2023-09-27 06:30

biggest bum on the internet

2023-09-27 06:32

he is naturally a rly good FPS player, but he was an average cs pro.

2023-09-27 06:41

+1 He acts like he's one of the best players NA has ever produced when he isn't even in the top five. Remember when s1mple played val and war zone and dumpstered people but didn't make a big deal about it? It's because in comparison it isn't that hard. Shroud always leaves a sour taste in my mouth and his fans are even worse.

2023-09-27 06:46

Not a legend bruh, but he is known for king of reddit for a reason

2023-09-27 06:55

"He’s legendary as a player" - he's what? for 3 years he didn't win anything, he wasnt even close to top20. He was reddit star just because he had 10k + viewers on every single stream and people were clipping everything.

2023-09-27 07:04