Forum thread: 20,000 viewers

Maybe problem is that CSGO is not so popular like LEGENDARY 1.6 ?

2013-03-30 18:22

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legendary 1.6 isn't coming back :D. This even't was shit anyways

2013-03-30 18:41

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Wouw... Just, WOUW.

2013-03-31 13:06

with navi it would've been 35k

2013-03-30 18:24

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agree

2013-03-30 18:25

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Sadly Na'Vi were too butthurt because they failed and weren't treated like princesses.

2013-03-30 18:27

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blahfuckingblah

2013-03-30 19:27

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2013-03-30 20:22

2013-03-30 19:48

even with esc would be more than 20k, fosho polacks would watch it xD

2013-03-30 20:39

with wNv it would have been over 9000 billion

2013-03-30 22:09

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China>world

2013-03-31 04:14

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2013-03-31 06:25

with any br team it would be 40k+

2013-03-31 01:07

agree.........shitty cph

2013-03-31 03:58

Yehh cause everibody intrested in 1.6 players! XD

2013-03-31 12:23

...and most of the viewers (like me) would still prefer watching that match in CS 1.6 :D

2013-03-30 18:27

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this

2013-03-31 11:09

Up to 30,000 across GOTV and all streams.

2013-03-30 18:28

if main stream of event watch girls match IM NO SURPRISED. Only english stream is rahim and its not best way

2013-03-30 18:30

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tru

2013-03-30 18:32

you're wrong... fragbite is casting in english, with threat! Excellent stream

2013-03-30 18:40

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ok but if main stream watch this match with corey_dunn 2000 more viewers minimaly

2013-03-30 18:42

laggy stream,twitch sux

2013-03-30 18:49

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LOLOL

2013-03-30 19:48

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2013-03-30 19:48

2013-03-31 14:01

I casted whole event in english =[ www.twitch.tv/bigz_tv Haha

2013-03-30 22:08

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You did pretty good. Hopefully we'll see more from you in the future :)

2013-03-30 22:14

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Thanks! First time shout casting and I really did enjoy it and was a good event (Except for whole Na'vi thing)

2013-03-30 22:19

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I only saw the last bits from fnatic and WW, and I think I can say that you were the better alternative to the main casters. I might only suggest you find a partner so it doesn't get stale for you or the viewers :D

2013-03-30 22:25

Watching the final :D U ban me because of my faces ;_;

2013-03-31 03:38

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Sorry, there was a lot of trolling in the channel and when I saw a block of text of random stuff I just timed out. 2:30am killed me after streaming from 10am here :D Sorry

2013-03-31 04:06

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No problem altough i understand you are position. Good job.

2013-03-31 04:11

rahim is just inzein

2013-03-31 23:54

cuz it's a shit game ! that's all

2013-03-30 18:31

could also be because main CPH stream didnt carry it but chicks games instead.

2013-03-30 18:32

25k!!!

2013-03-30 18:32

maybe because its new??maybe it grows like LoL because LoL had few viewers in the beginning too?IMO they should introduce in game streams to cs:go in that way noobs would join the streams too and then we can have +30k for every match =)

2013-03-30 18:32

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u guys need t stop defending CS:GO with the "new game" lol. They have enough time to gather communities or grow their base, but till now they failed both.

2013-03-30 19:02

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I don't care about cs:go and I still prefer 1.6 over cs:go for some reason but I want cs to go big

2013-03-30 19:39

Sorry the game has been around for over a year and in talks for probably close to two years now. The game is nowhere near 'new'. You're lying to yourself when you call it new. If you ask me, the game is pretty much over its prime.

2013-03-31 03:40

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GO's prime: Oktober 2012 (DHW)

2013-03-31 14:03

what the fuck kind of decision is it to cast female over UBFinal?! Now that I do not understand

2013-03-30 18:35

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You need to keep seperate sponsors happy for both tournouments. Also a great cast here; twitch.tv/greatfrag

2013-03-30 18:37

because the fanbase / playerbase isn't as big as in 1.6

2013-03-30 18:35

I don't watch this shitty event. :)

2013-03-30 18:35

And ? :S Which is why many people say they see the CG?

2013-03-30 18:37

Not many people are playing the game , compared to SC2 , LOL etc Then ask yourself why not many people are playing csgo? Well the anwser is valve prefers to make you able to carry hostages instead of making the game more like 1.6 to attract players from there , or any other gameplay change that makes cs so unique.

2013-03-30 18:37

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2013-03-31 11:26

+1 keep denying the fact that valve doesn't give a shit about eSports.

2013-03-31 14:04

Does not help that the ones deciding the matches for the official stream had a major brain fart. Not showing the upperbracket final is a fail decision, no matter how you look at it. Would have loved to hear Corey Dunn analyze on the VP vs. NiP matches...

2013-03-30 18:38

as long as I get to see them epic games, I don't care!

2013-03-30 18:41

I remember when esport was about watching competition and enjoying it.

2013-03-30 18:44

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Well said

2013-03-30 19:07

Well, CS:GO is a boring game to play... but it's EVEN MORE boring to watch.

2013-03-30 18:58

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unfortunately you're right

2013-03-31 00:17

Can u see the difference? This game has been out barely a year, in 2012 1.6 had been for a decade. Thats my best shot on why - im sure CSGO is gonna grow.

2013-03-30 19:25

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How would you explain SC2 beating SC:BW in terms of viewers rightaway?

2013-03-30 19:29

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It didn't before Proleague switched.. the only place SC2 > BW in terms of viewers were in Europe (bar BoxeR's debut in GSL)

2013-03-30 22:43

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Wrong. SC2 beat BW in viewers everywhere but in South Korea. And SC2 had a higher viewer count at that time than the remaining BW events had.

2013-03-31 00:18

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When BW was still going in ProLeague SC2 wasn't even close.. BW went out on national TV.. SK's viewership alone was greater than what Europe & NA can muster up for MLG's and so on.

2013-03-31 00:28

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I see my previous post could have been worded better, but as I stated in the beginning, SC2 beat viewers everywhere but in South Korea. CS:GO has a very slow growth, especially for a Counter-Strike game. SC2 grew big in Europe and the US almost immediately. My point is basically that I do not think the "this game has been out barely a year, in 2012 1.6 had been for a decade" is such a solid argument. I am pretty certain there are other reasons for the game not being so popular.

2013-03-31 00:39

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I agree with that, it's funny to see people boast over 70 000 viewers at IEM in 2012 when events in 2004 had more viewers.. Console games has taken over FPS, PC is all about MOBA and RTS these days :\

2013-03-31 01:00

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It's more because csgo is so bad.

2013-03-31 11:31

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By that logic you could say 1.6 got worse from 2004 to 2012..

2013-03-31 13:05

Sorry, but the first CPL featuring 1.6 had +30k viewers in HLTV during the final.

2013-03-31 01:05

20k spectators: 10k real players of csgo + 10k only spectators of showmatch csgo is down

2013-03-30 19:31

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So everyday there are only 20k players playing cs:go and the half of it only viewers, right?

2013-03-31 14:25

Justin beiber also has more viewers than dream theater. Some people like an amazing band like dream theater, but a lot more people like justin beiber. Listen to what you like. Watch games that you like. Stop hating like douchebags. gG

2013-03-30 19:31

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2013-03-30 22:23

An interesting comment,said everything

2013-04-01 03:51

If you really care about viewing numbers you should change game.

2013-03-30 19:31

this is the first year of cs go and it has +20K i think this is great , we must give it a chance

2013-03-30 19:37

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first and last i hope

2013-03-30 19:40

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Yeah that would be good, then there would be no counter-strike leagues at all.

2013-04-02 22:57

Sponsors will continue pumping out money forever until it has high viewership!

2013-03-31 01:03

oh look that thread again .... Seriously this kind of thread is here on the forums every single week ! Can't you people for once in your life play/watch and do whatever YOU like and stop comparing. I don't give a single fuck how many people are watching NBA matches as long as I am watching and enjoying them and playing the game of basketball. I couldn't GIVE A FUCK about how many people have seen that movie that i waited so long so I can watch. I don't give a fuck how many views does my favorite music artist has on youtube and how many comments his/her videos have. AND I most certainly dont give a fuck how many of you are watching the cs:go streams I enjoy watching and how many HOURS in steam my favorite game ( ATM ) is being played... Why can't you all pathetic people just live your OWN life instead of comparing to what others like and what others do ffs ...

2013-03-30 19:44

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Yea, then why bother replying to topics when you don't give fucks?

2013-03-30 19:45

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Cause I am browsing the forums to find some intresting topic to read and all I see is " OMFGZ csgo has only 10k views SWAG YOLO its nip fault " and thats like 50 percent of the threads these days which is kinda retarded cause everyone is posting the same thing day after day !

2013-03-30 19:55

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Wooden PCs... they cannot run the game, so they browse hltv and play flame bait :)

2013-03-30 19:52

He's saying he doesn't care how many people are watching/playing cs:go. He's not saying it doesn't bother him that people equate number of viewers with something as subjective as how enjoyable a game is. Again, stop hating like douchebags lol.

2013-03-30 19:55

you cant compare 10 year and 2 year game.

2013-03-30 19:43

Maine reason is DotA2. New generation prefer to play Halo/BF3 on xbox.

2013-03-30 19:44

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yep

2013-03-31 16:18

You should relax. I really don't like CS:GO, but the viewer number is fine, just because it can't compete with LoL/Dota2/SC2 does not mean the game is dead.

2013-03-30 19:45

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it means that the game will die (or just be extremely small depending on how you look at it) though

2013-03-31 01:04

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No it does not, because the sponsors and tournament organizers seem to be satisfied with the viewer count. The game will only die if they for some reason they aren't anymore.

2013-03-31 01:12

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The viewership doesn't justify the money.

2013-03-31 03:30

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Agreed.

2013-03-31 04:10

was mixing instead, what of it

2013-03-30 19:48

Cs:go doesnt have as many viewers as 1.6 did and most likely never will be the gameplay isnt anywhere near as exciting...they took source and made it into a version of source/c.o.d/battlefield. I dont want to watch a game where my focus is taken away from players bc theres a burning car on my screen like im in the slums of iraq...I dont give a fuck about what the scenery on the map is like, I just want a solid map with places for players to hide/stack/boost etc. Also I hate how there is way less wallbanging in cs:go. Aspects like wallbanging in 1.6 made things more exciting, little things like that could be game changing and blow ur mind. Now in cs:go u have to actually see the person and then strafe back and forth while spraying at their feet to get a random headshot... The game is just nowhere near as exciting to watch from a viewers perspective. Also u never really see a team push up on a single player and have that 1 player take down 4-5 guys in 1 spray like u did in 1.6, its almost like the armor in cs:go is way stronger making it harder to pull off a crazy 5second ace on a rush. Idk, thats just my opinion. I dont really have fun or get excited watching matches, even if its a matchup between 2 of my fav teams, fnatic/NIP.

2013-03-30 20:03

well look at the stream quality difference between the RIOT streams and these poor cs streams. If copenhagen games or valve itself would put some effort in good official streams, then they could keep some viewers. now after 10mins of watching i feel tired because of stupid casters/laggy stuff.

2013-03-30 20:04

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yep i agree with you on lagg bit, its insane how these days we still cant experience normal no lagg feed, but now its like everytime someones going to kill someone , tsssss tssssss and we miss the whole kill which is sad

2013-03-30 20:25

shit event with shit admins

2013-03-30 20:05

when 1.6 first came out in its first year how many viewers did it have? x

2013-03-30 20:27

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oh yeah compare year 2000 (2003) to 2013.

2013-03-30 20:40

how many streams was in 2003?

2013-03-30 21:09

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Just a few tournaments had a organized stream going on since bandwidth and equitment was limited. So if you were lucky and the event was called WCG or CPL then there was one single stream

2013-03-30 21:20

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yee i know that was sarcastic question xD

2013-03-30 22:04

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ohh fuck :D

2013-03-30 22:05

so you honestly think cs came out now and in its first year it would reach the hights it once did in reality? x

2013-03-30 23:59

rofl sorry but it was funny

2013-03-31 01:14

This game shouldn't be an esport ; )

2013-03-30 21:20

Maybe if they didn't schedule the big matches for the early hours of the morning...

2013-03-30 22:10

more than 30k viewers for the finals of The Defense (DOTA2), nice try guys

2013-03-30 22:12

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wait for TI3

2013-04-01 07:41

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gonna be awesome :D

2013-04-01 13:33

The game needs good prizes to get more viewers. Maybe also becoming a F2P game may help, though when you can play COD for $1Million on console or every other month 15-20k SC2 at MLG why would people flock to CSGO for a few thousand every now and then?

2013-03-30 22:14

game is boring to watch, all the fancy graphics did not make up for the lack of depth in gameplay.game is just garbage.

2013-03-30 22:26

no surprise. in one match the casters didn't say a word about the match for 4 straight rounds. no joke. and it was early in the match, not a 14-2 situation. i have usually enjoyed the casting of the very same casters but i don't know what they were thinking.

2013-03-30 22:35

Imo the gotv is really fuckd up and laggy all the time, cant really enjoy watching any game. No wonder since the whole CS:GO is really badly programmed software.

2013-03-30 22:39

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Yeah might be one of the reasons why the gotv numbers are that low and pretty much everyone prefers stream. Its really awful to watch

2013-03-31 00:02

Alot of people celebrated easter, I'm one of them.

2013-03-30 23:13

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Is is You, Jesus?

2013-03-31 00:08

I think it's because of the bad casters. I prefer watching in-game. edit: there are also multiple streams. I doubt you added all viewers from different streams up.

2013-03-31 00:05

because, e-sports is to childish sometimes They should create world cup, where every nation picks the best 5 to represent the country.. and also media coverage about it. Than people who dont care about the games, will just watch to cheer for their national team.. and not "10 swedish teams, with names like Ninjas(no hate) and the others" Thats how all sports get recognized.. Clans are childish I respect the players

2013-03-31 00:20

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WCG?

2013-03-31 01:28

anyways, i think cs:go when updated well..and spread along..and grown Will reach numbers far superior to 1.6

2013-03-31 00:21

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nope ._. superior ---> impossible

2013-03-31 23:43

Bad casters are a big part of this. The delays might be a big part of it as well. Also have to remember that all the NaVi fanboys are boycottingxDD

2013-03-31 00:34

cs:go can't compare with 1.6 ,GG

2013-03-31 00:53

CS 1.6: Winfakt.FI versus SK gaming = 100 k viewers CS:GO: NiP versus top2 team in world (5 hard bots) = 20k viewers

2013-03-31 01:13

And people told me the final will have far over 25k :D i knew it not even 20k as it seems

2013-03-31 01:30

why r u comparing a semi avg game (CS:GO) with a game that has been relavant for 12years (CS 1.6) imo cs:go is just having a CGS moment that being said 1.6 still wont come back.

2013-03-31 01:44

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Because it is Counter-strike global offensive? technically speaking the people of 1.6 should have migrated to cs:s and then to cs:go. but valve keeps on repeating it's mistakes. They knew cs:s was a flop game still they considered source players for advice and i guess they should be happy for that almost all Source players have switched to GO and i would not give credit of that to valve. It's just that they are used to of playing a shitty game. So this is not a new game it is a new version cs:s which was a new version of the biggest fps game ever COUNTER STRIKE 1.6.

2013-03-31 05:26

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Yep all source players switched to GO, minus the 35,000 or so that play every day. Lets all listen to "zymic" he clearly knows what he's talking about.

2013-03-31 06:24

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switching to go does not mean they cannot play source. I play 1.6 and dota 2 daily. I did mean to offend anyone but the truth is always bitter. Do you really think that the 43,000 people on steam only play 1.6 now when there is no competitive scene remaining? I dont think so.

2013-03-31 10:26

CSGO LAN finals will never gain a massive amount of viewers, the final doesnt start till like 2 am.. just think its 3am in denmark now and the finals havent been played yet

2013-03-31 03:09

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thats if danish clocks go forward (like UK has), i dont know

2013-03-31 03:27

In 1.6, alot of the specs were non steam user's.

2013-03-31 03:27

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in sAuce all the viewers were eBots.

2013-03-31 05:50

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Ohh, you were one of them, ugly faggot.

2013-03-31 20:55

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Your tears are delicious.

2013-03-31 21:33

There were ~44 channels streaming CS, almost half and one third the numbers streaming dota 2 and LOL, SC2. Despite what some people might say, cs never had a big streaming culture, where as SC2, Dota 2, the spectator client is a central feature in the game. The streams itself doesn't hold a candle unfortunately compared to the production quality of the top SC2/dota streaming studios. And also the tournament itself - SO MANY games crammed into such a tight schedule. People aren't able to watch all day, of course you are going to miss games, as well as some questionable streaming decisions as to what games to spectate. Unless valve start putting the $$$ into CSGO, its a stupid exercise thinking it will hit the same as SC2/dota2/lol where the devs have poured money into the game to make it initially stand out from the crowd. Still, it was the 3rd most watched game on twitch for a while, which is certainly promising. Plus the navi fiasco. They were douchebags for pulling out like that - I am not commenting on what happened regarding admins/miscommunication, but they DISAPPOINTED THEIR FANS, pulling out of one the biggest lan events so far.

2013-03-31 03:40

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Agree. Half of the players dont even care to watch games. Seriously, I never plan to watch a stream CSGO game. Not that entertaining for me (Goes for 1.6 too), although, I do love the scene and to check the results!

2013-03-31 10:49

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Also cs:go came out when lol,dota und sc were getting loads of new players. it's just the time of moba esports.

2013-03-31 16:21

Nice surname bro!

2013-04-01 00:18

why the fuck people dont watching GreatFrag stream lol...

2013-03-31 03:42

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Because he's only entertaining if you're like 10 years old

2013-03-31 16:29

the finals didn't even reach 20K viewers... morel ike 17K... very sad

2013-03-31 04:23

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Not like it was 3am in the morning.

2013-03-31 06:10

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I remember ESWC 2011 1.6 finals happening on a monday, working day, very early in the morning, and still 1.6 reached 50K viewers.

2013-03-31 06:15

Stupid navi mafia organization fanboi. stop troll please.

2013-03-31 05:24

The numbers were pretty decent if you take into consideration that besides 20k viewers on streams, there were at least as much (or even more if you see that official casters aren't that popular with the crowd) on GOTV. I personally picked the second alternative in all cases because I'd rather try to comprehend the moves myself than hearing some random and inaccurate stuff by the side of someone quite incompetent or without much knowledge on the game. There are so many things that can be improved in order to get enormous numbers like in other games. I'm not even sure if it was possible to check out how many people were watching it ingame? Personally, I'd be happy tune into a stream with Joe Miller or Paul (ReDeYe) doing the casting part...

2013-03-31 06:36

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Redeye and Miller are defo some of the best commentators. They just give it that extra :D

2013-03-31 10:58

Compare 12 years old game who had a lot of events etc to game not 1 year old.... OMG

2013-03-31 10:43

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cs:go is over 2 years old not to mention cs 1.6 in it's first CPL event had over 30k specs ON HLTV and this was an era where nobody knew about competitive esports and now we are in 2013 and csgo can't even smell those numbers based on your userid you must be new to the scene and most likely an active cs:go supporter

2013-03-31 12:30

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cs:go is competitive sine DH Valencia so its eight months :) Cs had pretty huge community at times cs 1.6 ( 1st CPL ) but it was cs 1.5 also so its not the same :) I dont remember how many viewers was on first event in cs 1.5. userid is new ok but im not new in cs scene :)

2013-03-31 13:28

2 years old? wait,w aht what what what? Are you high?

2013-03-31 14:04

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there was a cs:go showmatch @ IEM GC Guangzhou in 2011 whine more

2013-04-01 14:57

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Lol im not even whining frankly i don't give a shit about cs 1.6 or go anymore

2013-04-02 22:06

pretty sad CSS didn't beat 1.6 and CS GO didn't beat it

2013-03-31 12:48

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It will

2013-04-02 23:18

but its more than Mad Catz Invitation, who only 13k viewers on Final

2013-03-31 12:58

How many long people will be saying that it is only beginning? Time to get more popularity already came. After 7 months I am say that CS:GO died. CS 1.6 is unbeatable. P.S. This event was most majority than others (best teams from all over the world. interest could be huge) and only 20,000k? Shit.

2013-03-31 14:36

One of the biggest problem is that people dont like cs:go and don't even prefer to watch it, they better prefer to play cs 1,6. Other problem is that some people dont have enough powerful computers to play cs:go and simple they are not intrested in it. Talking about this event finals games was played late in night maybe because this is the reason why only 20k viewers.

2013-03-31 15:16

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You are smart.

2013-03-31 15:19

No the biggest problem is that all the tournaments are getting delayed as fuck...Starting the grand final at 3 AM when youre trying to reach out to the european market is just stupid

2013-03-31 16:23

Yeah, it was 4 a.m. here when the game started. 20k is a great number

2013-03-31 15:18

cs go is shit. boring, just nothing..

2013-03-31 16:00

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butthurt na'vi fan

2013-03-31 16:22

2 replies

I hate cs go, and navi to

2013-03-31 22:48

1 reply

=win

2013-04-01 03:11

its deading

2013-03-31 18:50

It was over 30.000 a while in the right time and you have to count more then just twitch, people think that twitch is all, but many news sites have their own streams and then there is GOTV and offcourse people who watch the game from shared clients thus only counting as 1 view.

2013-03-31 20:14

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lol, the same shit happens to every other game out there. GO sucks, get over it.

2013-03-31 20:48

6 replies

I checked your steam page and you still haven't bought CSGO. Recoil has changed for the better in one of the previous patches but I agree the game has yet a long way to go.

2013-03-31 22:00

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I don't really have enough time to play right now. I am judging GO from the months I played the beta and what I see on the streams.

2013-04-01 03:03

4 replies

The recoil is quite enjoyable right now, even though GOTV doesn't make it look good.

2013-04-01 03:15

3 replies

the frags look way too random for my taste.

2013-04-01 03:21

2 replies

as I said gotv is kinda saddening

2013-04-01 05:53

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we gotta thank valve for that.

2013-04-01 05:59

people prefer play do not watch

2013-03-31 21:00

1.6 > CS:GO alltime

2013-03-31 21:00

I didn't watch it as I don't want to watch NiP rape a bunch of noname noobs all the time tbh.

2013-03-31 21:08

1.6

2013-03-31 21:49

I need a key cs go! I would love to help me play email: xharlin@hotmail.com

2013-03-31 22:36

1.6 is just different than any other fps game.. irreplacable <3

2013-03-31 23:19

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so sad its gone. feel so sorry

2013-04-02 22:10

It's just not as entertaining to watch or play. They should have done what blizzard did with the starcraft series, they kept the feel and gameplay of the original game while adding lots of new stuff to it and making it more 'modern' looking at the same time. Why would you not start from there when you had so many people playing 1.6 mainly because of the great gameplay it had ?. And if you dont like playing something you probably dont like watching it either.

2013-04-01 00:01

valve is stupid,just it.

2013-04-01 06:55

Moral of the story ~> CS in Source Engine = Fail

2013-04-01 07:21

peaked 30k lieing cunt

2013-04-02 22:10

I've seen around 25k around noon Saturday... Every single time during those events I give up before tournament goes into decisive phase. I don't care enough to stay up till 3am <--- this is something that is killing tournaments. Is it also that bad with LoL/DOTA?

2013-04-02 23:07

Dota 2 - have tobi wan Cs Go - have laggy and 2 hours delay

2013-04-02 23:40