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Should marijuana be legalized?
Faroe Islands bNRSTARRR@mymTw.com 
I just read a small article about the subject, and came to the conclusion considering alcohol and tobacco are far worse than weed, legalizing the drug my not be a bad idea. The government would also made more money out of it, if they just taxed it. Maybe I'm way out of hand, but maybe it also has something to do with marijuana laws is racially discriminatory, by the fact the people selling it are less wealthy and maybe with a different history and skin color.
2013-06-30 19:26
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#1
k0nfig | 
Netherlands miles- 
dont tax it, nobody would buy it that way. They would still go to their own dealers.
2013-06-30 19:28
It will be much cheaper @ legal
2013-06-30 19:32
#13
k0nfig | 
Netherlands miles- 
No it wont, Most of the "pleasure" products (alcohol, caffeine, nicotine) are heavily taxed. Thus keeping the price high so people dont buy too much what isnt good for them. With weed this will be the exact same, making it so expensive that people will turn to local dealers, making weed another gateway drug. Please dont reply if you dont understand this
2013-06-30 19:53
#17
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Poland kingWZRD 
cant agree at all. in most of countries some people would afford some not, so its difficult to judge
2013-06-30 20:05
#20
k0nfig | 
Netherlands miles- 
its pretty simple... People buy at their dealer for, lets say: 10$ a gram Government comes with taxed marihuana: 15$ a gram why would people buy at the stores? when they have a perfectly good dealer for less? bear in mind that most of the taxes are about 70% (alcohol, petrol and cigarettes)
2013-06-30 20:13
You are making the assumption that they would tax it more than they should. The tax that the gov can place on a product cannot exceed the risk premium of what the seller could make on the black market. For it to work they cannot disturb the status quo. EX: You can produce 10 ounces of weed for $2000. You can sell the whole batch for $4000. Your profit or risk premium is $2000. That is derived from the illegality and risk of what you are doing. If the gov were to emulate your grow process, they cannot tax more than the $2000 premium that the black market grower would receive or it would not be passing on the benefits and showing any value to the consumer in any way. Also regardless of that, even if weed were legalized the price would still fall anyway due to economic laws Legalizing = more people entering the market that would not have otherwise entered previously = more supply = less demand = falling prices
2013-06-30 20:21
#25
k0nfig | 
Netherlands miles- 
lets put it this way the government is artificially manipulating the price of Alcohol and Tabacco. Its just a logical assumptiom weed would fall under it as well. I hope it wont because it would defeat the purpose of legalizing it.
2013-06-30 20:39
right they do, but big business control alcohol and tobacco. Initially, big business will not control marijuanna (would be interesting to see what as time progresses), the idea is more in passing up the tax benefits to the big dogs. Over here, I do not think marijuana will ever become federally legal. The FDA would never allow it, because there is such a wide range of strains and types. It is not like a pill obviously, they are not run off a line at a factory as everyone knows. A .1 of this is not the same as .1 of that > different THC levels, indica vs sativa, varying effects etc. Maybe a dosed product like cannabis oil or wax will become legalized for people that actually need them :p
2013-06-30 20:59
its better for you than drinking, and has better effects it should be decriminalized at the very least
2013-07-01 14:53
I think u forgot massive production. If a big company would produce weed on a big scale the price would be lower (even with tax) than of an local ~drugdealer~ while still having enormous profits...
2013-06-30 22:30
Right. Economies of scale. The only downside that a big company would have would be that they lack the experience to actually produce a quality product. They have no track record. Only the guys who have been supplying "top product" to dispensaries for years actually have the experience and know the ins and outs. That is the only barrier to entry, anyone with $20,000 would be able bankroll a grow op that could generate 10x that in revenue.
2013-06-30 23:06
lol anyone with $500 could get it off the ground and running... knowledge is the key
2013-07-01 14:54
i made a friend of mine a hydro setup with pvc, sponges, one large tupperware container, and a fish tank pump...
2013-07-01 15:58
don't u think that if alcohol and tobacco were illegal the prices of both wouldn't rise? ofc they would.
2013-07-02 17:21
not everyone is having perfectly good dealers and im quite sure the majority of weed consumers would agree if I say I would rather pay 5$ more for quality (tested and transparent) weed I can buy in a local store (nice and easy, no risks) than paying a little less for good weed aswell (but not entirely sure where its from) and having the privileg to buy it in a real, public shop instead of in a shady backroom with suspicious people around..
2013-06-30 22:00
If it was legalized the search for weed would raise and as a consequence of that the weed would have so many quimics to increase the productivity, that is not a good weed.
2013-07-02 17:22
#181
HEN1 | 
Poland maxiu 
he is from Netherlands and we from poland so what we know about legalized marijuana ?
2013-07-02 17:49
I grow my own ganja and if by chance I'd have to buy it, I'd rather go to local secure market and pay the taxes.
2013-06-30 19:32
if it was legalized it would be way cheaper,taxing it would not be a problem
2013-06-30 19:33
yepp ofcurse
2013-07-01 00:39
Yes
2013-06-30 19:31
Yes
2013-06-30 19:31
Yes. /End thread
2013-06-30 19:32
yes vimeo.com/14693765 420 blaze it fGGUT
2013-06-30 19:34
#91
Indonesia 420 
smoke smoke smoke it up
2013-07-01 11:28
Everybody's saying it'll be cheaper, in Poland vodka costs about 8-10 USD for 500ml and 80% of the price is taxes. 1g of weed should cost less than 5 USD but in reality it could be even more expensive than standard 30zl (~15USD) because of taxes.
2013-06-30 19:37
The taxing would be the same as it is with any other product; alcohol and tobacco. Also, homegrowing should be legal. The problem is that ppl would prolly build hugeass farms and sell/distribute. But to grow like 4 plants for your own use should ofc be legal
2013-06-30 19:39
#14
k0nfig | 
Netherlands miles- 
4 is way too much. The smell is too strong. Imagine living next to someone with 4 plants, its horrible P.S. Im not against smoking or growing weed, just get it organised and think it out
2013-06-30 19:54
With proper gear 4 would not cause any smellproblems. Believe me, I have some real tightass neighbours who would freak the fuck out if they knew I was growing. I have a great coalfilter and great airconditioning (straight outside) and no one has ever had _any_ smells, not even ganjafriends smell it when they are _in my apartment_ (you can never tell people you grow or it gets out of hands)
2013-06-30 20:00
#21
k0nfig | 
Netherlands miles- 
Obviously with the right gear it wont cause any problems. But do you see everybody buying the right gear?
2013-06-30 20:13
just shut up already
2013-06-30 23:45
#44
k0nfig | 
Netherlands miles- 
ask your family to go back to your shitty country and stop stealing in mine. kk thnx bai
2013-07-01 00:18
That was not cool at all dude
2013-07-01 00:46
With one comment proven you are child. owning
2013-07-01 00:56
Not many buy the right gear but that is cause it's illegal to grow. If it was legal to grow people would not need to build all these seriously fucking hazard boxes with the huge risk of burning the house down. It's about fair play. I have a plant, it makes me happy, no beef with anyone, I can tolerate the shitstem and go to work every day. It's fair play
2013-07-01 04:35
#86
k0nfig | 
Netherlands miles- 
well good for you. People like you are the people who are responsible. You dont destroy the image of the average weed grower/smoker.
2013-07-01 11:11
"(you can never tell people you grow or it gets out of hands)" Why you telling everyone on hltv then, careful bro.
2013-07-01 15:18
"I just read a small article about the subject, and came to the conclusion considering alcohol and tobacco are far worse than weed, legalizing the drug my not be a bad idea" And just now you came to that conclusion? :D We had a finn running the European Antidrug Agency, he openly stated that cannabis should be legal. He is not running the agency anymore. Brave statement from him. He used Portugal as prime example; All drugs became decriminalized in Portugal in 2001. The drugreleated violence and deaths have decreased almost 50%. Then again weed was no drug there, it's tolerated almost allover Europe
2013-06-30 19:37
Hahahaha, no I knew it long before :D I just know so little about the subject, and I want to know more about, selling, taxing, growing, why/why and etc. So I took the only example I knew :D In Faroe Island where I'm from, I buy 1g for 25-30£, don't think it can be much more expensive than that :D
2013-06-30 20:17
your homeland looks stunning 10/10 would smoke doobie
2013-06-30 21:13
Wow, that's expensive indeed but it's the same here. The price has settled to around 20€/gram. That's why I grow my own ganja. But I only grow 3-4 plants, after harvest till the next I gotta go to the market. It also can be a shitty deal; bag of small buds with leaf kinda thing, 20€ for a couple of hits. Thats BS. Not only would it take the lowest treshold for real drug-gangs away it would secure quality to have ganja under legal supervision but also it would be a major medicine for the severe alcohol problem we have here in Finland.
2013-07-01 00:53
Is it much to handle to grow your own? And do you make money out of it or is it just for your own good :D?
2013-07-01 12:32
but the consequences of marijuana is that it effects your mental health
2013-07-01 22:01
yes
2013-06-30 19:55
yes
2013-06-30 20:11
NO, definitly no.
2013-06-30 20:17
hate to smoke, don't care.
2013-06-30 21:14
Yeah, people end up in prison beacue of marijuana, that's stupid.
2013-06-30 21:21
"Far worse than weed"
2013-06-30 22:33
It doesn't matter. Everybody who even consider the possibility that plants might be outlawed from earth is too stupid to be talked to. I'm not against so called 'legalisation', I'm against the discussion. There's no one to talk about it with. Also, tax your ass dude.
2013-06-30 22:44
#93
Bangladesh kg1 
100% right! Socialists care about people because they want their money, not because they want to help them. Hitler, Stalin, Obama - bunch of red devils.
2013-07-01 11:46
ye... :D
2013-06-30 22:51
Yes it should. I don't know why its such a big deal. Look at the Netherlands its been legalized for years and its just fine
2013-06-30 23:12
Impossible in my country But around the world , yes.
2013-06-30 23:32
Not legalized by decriminalized!
2013-06-30 23:46
Oh, stfu.
2013-07-01 06:50
Kim ty jestes smieciu
2013-07-01 12:42
And how's that relevant? What I'm saying is, you are immoral.
2013-07-01 13:05
immoral? Please elaborate google translator
2013-07-01 14:29
If you say that you want something to be 'decriminalized' rather than just put-your-hands-out-of-my-property-ized, that means that you basically approve the situation that some people at some circumstances will still have their property (drugs, in this case) stolen. The only thing you're saying is, it should stop at that point, meaning, after being robbed by state approved thugs (the police, border guards, prison guards, etc.) one shall not be further punished so that perhaps the next time they are able to steal some more, as he or she won't be afraid of acquiring the same kind of 'decriminalized' goods again. And what I'm saying, simply, is that stealing is immoral. Period. And everybody who engage in stealing should have their faces chopped off from the heads and heads from bodies. Or, at least that's my humble opinion.
2013-07-02 15:56
Definitely yes. Actually it was legalized in Ireland one year ago. Joints, bag of legal weed were selling in shops. Also some kind of "EX-COCAINE" ^_^. ^ it works pretty good. Some why no one sells it anymore in the shops :| that weed was goooood.
2013-06-30 23:48
HAHAHAHAHA what are you talking about. Weed was NEVER legal here. There were some synthetic herbs being sold here for a while, which still exists in other countries. There was also synthetic coke. It was all legal because none of it was real weed or coke. It was all just random mixtures that fucked you up. Head shops were staying open until 4AM selling the stuff to pub goers and after a few months of this and headshops being burnt down, it was made illegal. I would say that stuff was more dangerous than weed, i tried the smoke and it gave me very bad headaches.
2013-07-01 14:58
That's what I was trying to say, lol. "I would say that stuff was more dangerous than weed, i tried the smoke and it gave me very bad headaches." Never happens to me.
2013-07-01 16:19
Sorry, its a thread about weed and you said "it was legalized in Ireland one year ago", i know what you mean now. The synthetic shit was never actually legalised, it was always there and legal. I remember smoking "spice" with mates about 6 or 7 years ago, it didnt really get you high at all. All of a sudden it got ridiculously strong and thats when people caught on, and it was made illegal. Have you never tried that "smoke" stuff? It smells like cinnamon. Horrible shit.
2013-07-01 21:47
and look at all the harm the headshops caused. I do agree weed should be legal to help anxiety, But it should only be prescribed by a GM
2013-07-01 21:05
just for taxes
2013-07-01 00:18
no ofc not then I wouldn't have job at all
2013-07-01 00:48
we got a a dealer over here!
2013-07-01 12:41
#50
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Finland Eepzie 
I think not. Besides I don't understand people who wants kannabis/marijuana to legal.
2013-07-01 01:05
Let me rephrase that for you then, how about such simple statement: stealing is immoral - does it make sense to you?
2013-07-01 06:52
Can you tell me why it shouldn't (: ?
2013-07-01 12:33
#114
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Finland Eepzie 
So it's okay that people are high and they're stupid because they have smoked marijuana.. Maybe im against marijuana because I dont know lot about marijuana but does it matter if it got legal or not , people gonna still smoke it.
2013-07-01 13:54
I think most people are smart enough, to not let it ruin their life, if so... And yes, if it was legalized, then people would have a whole new view at it.
2013-07-01 13:59
It should. The fact that it is actually illegal causes masses of illegal activity, that yearly, spends a lot of the government's money and law enforcements time. Legalizing it wouldn't really also have any negative effects. Like general tobacco, it would be made a 16 or 18 year old and over thing and it's unlikely that the streets will suddenly be enraged with high gangster wannabes as the people who have stayed away from it in the past, will likely continue to stay away from it in the future. It's also been proven to not actually harm your body much in any way, and neither has it ever really killed a person. In all honesty, both alcohol and cigarettes are worse yet they are still legal.
2013-07-01 02:11
If your only argument for legalizing cannabis is that it "causes masses of illegal activity", then your logic and argument can be applied to cocaine, lcd etc. "Let's legalize lcd, then we don't have to fight it and we save money and law enforcements time." Therefore- this argument used alone is no argument for the case. When something is illegal, it's obvious it causes illegal activities and it's law enforcements job to fight it. I haven't actually seen any paper or scientific proof on affects of cannabis. That dosen't mean there aren't any, but I just haven't seen anything brought up in those kind of debates other than teenagers claiming cannabis to be harmless. I have seen potheads. I have acquaintances that really do smoke alot. And some of them not that much. I see the sideeffects with my own eyes. Paranoia, stupididy, constant dizziness and it seems they are even high when they haven't smoke. So please, tell me more how cannabis is not a drug and is harmless.
2013-07-01 13:54
Now you're mentioning potheads. Ofc, you see sideeffects such as those things you mentioned. If you overdo something, there is always gonna be side effects. And defining a pothead, he has overdone something. And I know, it might not be as bad overdoing something than overdoing drugs. But I think most people are smart enough, to not let it take over their life, everyone know what it can do, if you get addicted.
2013-07-01 14:04
No. As I said, they are not smoking that much. They just have been constant smokers. There have been periods, where they smoked alot, but not anymore. They are not some addicted junkies, who can't live the day without a dose. They just have smoked cannabis in a decent amount in some period in their life, some more. And already those mentioned sideeffects are noticed. While replying, I remembered a news article in Estonia by a doctor some years ago, who claimed that cannabis causes problems with sleep, she even said that one cannabis joint in a lifetime can cause some people permament sleep disorder. There was also an example with a teenage boy who was always sleepy and couldn't stay awake in school. And I do have smoked weed and I have experienced sideeffects myself. I have been dizzy and sleepy, mind not working 100%, can't concetrate that sharply even 1-2 days after I smoked the weed. That's why I have smoked only dozen of times in my lifetime and haven't smoked for years and not gonna smoke. Cannbis is drugs. And they are bad for your health. So is alcohol. But there is huge difference between one glass or wine or one weed hit. You smoke weed to get high. But there many levels of drinking alcohol, and most people just drink glass of wine or couple bottles of beer. And there is huge difference between constant weed smoking and constant drinkging class of wine.
2013-07-01 15:33
You're pretty much right. I think the effects that you describe are pretty accurate, but they dont come close to killing you. Alcohol has caused a lot of accidents and it just makes people do things they definitely wouldnt do if they were sober. I saw a documentary a while ago, where it said that 70% of people in america who commited a crime were drunk while doing it. That includes murder. All of them said that they probably wouldnt have done it if they werent drunk. Tobacco actually directly kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, i dont have to explain everything about that. Both of these are LEGAL. You know the effects of weed, you know they dont come close to killing you. This is a thread about legalising weed, its my choice if i want to be sleepy all day (not saying i do). Why are you arguing? The effects you describe, altering concentration and affecting sleep, are similar to that of drinking coffee all the time. You have GOT TO admit weed should be legal and stop arguing for no reason. Also i think if you did some research and learned why weed was actually made illegal in the first place you'd be surprised.
2013-07-01 22:03
Well LSD should be legal. "I see the sideeffects with my own eyes. Paranoia, stupididy, constant dizziness and it seems they are even high when they haven't smoke" You should hang with different people.
2013-07-01 15:24
WTF? And calling them acquaintances is actually too much. Just people I know. And I don't hang out with them, I hang out with my friends.
2013-07-01 15:35
Well then if you do not know them you really can't make the judgement you just made there.
2013-07-01 15:40
If I do not know Messi and Rooney personally, I can't make the judgement that Messi is better than Rooney? If A doctor dose not know the patient personally, he can't make a judgement that the patient needs help? If I see a man french kissing other man, I can't make the judgement that they are gay, because I don't know them? WTF? LOGIC? DO YOU HAVE IT?
2013-07-01 17:00
yes yes yes
2013-07-01 02:14
if you compare it to smoking or alcohol it definitely should be legalized rather than those 2
2013-07-01 02:15
+99xp
2013-07-01 02:21
mas qual +99xp, epa
2013-07-12 22:56
#56
fury | 
Brazil LeeeO:9 
both don't open doors to new drugs like weed does
2013-07-01 02:23
parties - alcohol - cigarettes - drugs hm
2013-07-01 02:31
#58
fury | 
Brazil LeeeO:9 
sorry, but I stopped at alcohol.. ps: do you smoke weed?
2013-07-01 02:41
I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke and I don't smoke weed either.
2013-07-01 02:48
You are missing out
2013-07-01 02:49
not really tried everything before
2013-07-01 03:06
I am not suggesting to try anything but that's what people do. Instead of alcohol you should try weed. If it doesn't work for you all you get is fucking stressed out feeling you should get shit done. Not a bad feeling tho either, just get the shit done
2013-07-01 03:34
as I said not really missing out tried everything in the past :-)
2013-07-01 03:58
Oh my bad, missread your post, sorry
2013-07-01 07:04
#66
fury | 
Brazil LeeeO:9 
do u smoke?
2013-07-01 03:21
I do
2013-07-01 03:31
#73
fury | 
Brazil LeeeO:9 
then tell me what's so good at this, and why would weed be better than alcohol ? lol
2013-07-01 03:59
I smoke when I need a timeout. I don't smoke tobacco. Alcohol is the ruin of man. It is in no way a mean to relax. When I smoke a nice joint I am not only relaxed but very conscious too. I am aware of everything I need to do and 1 hour stoned gives you more than a day drinking. I do not need to explain how weed is better than alcohol really, the simple fact you even need to ask tells how utterly wrong you are and how much, so very much, you have missed E: typ0 like hell
2013-07-01 04:23
then wtf are u doin?
2013-07-01 11:18
#103
ckN | 
Estonia ckN 
he is pure nolifer
2013-07-01 12:43
luckily no :)
2013-07-01 15:30
leading a clean and healthy lifestyle
2013-07-01 15:30
how is ur clean lifestyle so far?
2013-07-01 16:18
it's great, hehe
2013-07-01 16:42
i bet its so fuckin great :D
2013-07-01 20:32
Alcohol is the main reason people want more and heavier drugs. Pure fact
2013-07-01 02:49
It's not even near to potatoes and rape. 100% rapists at least here where I live are known to have tried eating potatoes in their lives.
2013-07-01 06:48
so funny ahaha
2013-07-04 18:55
#55
fury | 
Brazil LeeeO:9 
If people wanna undermine their brains slowly, so let them :p
2013-07-01 02:21
#62
face | 
Brazil R4D14710N 
People already undermine their lungs with cigarettes and their livers with alcohol, so why not?
2013-07-01 02:55
#64
fury | 
Brazil LeeeO:9 
alcohol in moderate quantities is healthy, you cannot even compare the damages that alcohol does compared to the weed.
2013-07-01 03:16
#68
face | 
Brazil R4D14710N 
I know that, but it's not like most of the people that drink alcohol do it moderately
2013-07-01 03:28
And why would you think using ganja would be less moderate? That is just pure ignorance E: A nice spliff and a couple of beers for the weekend is a lot better than a case of beer
2013-07-01 04:26
lol
2013-07-01 11:20
Maybe every marijuana store should have an IQ tester, before selling it to people, ye?
2013-07-01 03:18
#67
fury | 
Brazil LeeeO:9 
Well if you make a test before and one after years of use, you'll see a huge difference in the results :p
2013-07-01 03:27
Ofc it would be regulated. My IQ according to Mensa is 158 and I love ganja, I love shrooms, I love LSD. But I don't consume them like tea youkno
2013-07-01 04:28
A friend of mine tryed LSD once, He's now paralyzed. Sitting in a wheelchair, not able to talk or move at all. I've only tryed weed a few times, an it has always been a good memory, now really had any down sides.
2013-07-01 12:39
What? :D:D LSD does not cause paralysis
2013-07-01 13:05
I don't know :P He sat his drink down, went to buy something, when he came back, someone had put something in his drink, and he just blacked out, was laying and shaking on the ground, while some white was coming out through his mouth. Maybe it was the blackout that coast the paralyze then :D
2013-07-01 13:15
Yes, -but wait mates, also must have a state support for cure those who wish to get rid of their addiction ,optionally, in my country that is a valid argument to discuss
2013-07-01 03:46
And where did addiction come along? We have the Netherlands here with open study. The studies show that people using ganja, heavy users, 85% of them just quit it. That's the positive aspect of the "reefer"; at some point you just feel like "I did not need this, got shit to do". It doesn't make you not think, quite the opposite
2013-07-01 07:03
#89
dRiim | 
Finland dRiim 
No. Junkies.
2013-07-01 11:23
L@L
2013-07-01 12:43
#90
Indonesia 420 
marijuana was once legal nation wide... but somewhere in history some asshol3 decided to make it illegal (points to the us)
2013-07-01 11:28
#92
Bangladesh kg1 
Don't know any argument against marijuana. I don't smoke nothing, but that's not about that. Really, people should have choice.
2013-07-01 11:39
#95
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Denmark e1z 
Yeah, it should be legalized! :)
2013-07-01 12:04
#96
Lithuania fRls 
salvia should be legal. god dam it.
2013-07-01 12:06
Surely not. Many weak people don't know how to use and deal with it. Same with shrums/LSD, mentally weak people will never find the right way to use it for recreation...When someone is using these kind of drugs with fear - oh boy, they shouldn't use them at all!
2013-07-01 12:49
dunno about others but salvia is the best drug I ever took. about lsd I agree. my own few friends took it for granted and screw there minds, possibly permanently.
2013-07-01 12:55
Do you approve stealing then? I mean, providing that someone is, as you described it 'weak', is it then moral to steal that person property?
2013-07-01 13:07
We understand you try to be witty. But he did not make any claims about morality or immorality of using drugs.
2013-07-01 14:09
No at all. I think morality is a very serious stuff. And if he says that he accepts the fact that some people (state approved thugs, like police, etc.) have a right to steal some stuff (drugs, in this case) from some other people, it's enough for me to call him immoral. Or, feel free to prove me wrong.
2013-07-02 15:36
I don't really get you, I said nothing about "stealing" or smth. It's just a straight fact that some people, especially of a younger age, are mentally unstable, easily-influenced, weak If they take this kind of drugs it may seriously affect their minds, their brains and nerve system through a massive push, from reality to CON-reality, if you like. Other type of people don't care about what you CAN SEE and feel under psychogenic narcs, they use it to NOT SEE things, which is completely wrong and can get their minds to the otherside, fade-to-black state of mind. It's like...using a microscope as a hammer: it works, but it's just soo damn wrong to do in that way! Hope now you understand me better;)
2013-07-02 18:00
Do you believe that some people, at some circumstances should have their drugs (inc. marijuana) stolen? Do you believe that people have a moral right to choose whether they want to mess up with their heads and screw up their lives? If they don't, then who has a moral right to choose that for them? Should that be you, me, or someone else? How do you pick that person?
2013-07-02 18:18
2013-07-02 22:39
Yeah, zvychayno. Though that I'm saying is, to be able to 'save' yourself (or not, I ain't gonna tell you what to do) you should be able to make your own choices, and that includes making a choice whether or not you want to screw up your life and go by hard drugs path. I don't like the idea of being somebody elses slave owner and telling him or her what to do, or stealing his or her drugs (or telling the state approved thugs, like the police, border guards, prison guards, etc. to do so, which is more or less the same). That ain't do good to anyone.
2013-07-02 23:01
Salvia was legal in Sweden till like 2006 :) But it's a drug way more intense than LSD or mushrooms; you are not in control of it at all even if you are an experienced tripper. Kinda like Ketamine. You need a sitter
2013-07-01 14:13
Salvia is still legal in the UK but it isn't very much fun.
2013-07-01 15:14
man there can bee 1000 salvia smokers and 1000 different trips.
2013-07-01 15:17
Salvia is heavy :) It's also a lot more dangerous than even LSD cause you really have no control over it. If you get a bad trip from LSD you just tuck in, in fetal position and hope for it to go away. With Salvia you are completely turmoiled and have no idea about your surroundings. It's just PUFFFFFFFFFFFFFF for a few minutes. Weird how it's legal there. Britain has got some tight laws against cannabis but you can smoke Salvia :D
2013-07-01 15:18
tight laws against cannabis? In most cases if you get caught with weed you get misdemeanor or in some cases even a ticket and they confiscate your belongings.
2013-07-01 17:34
Yes, tight laws
2013-07-04 17:33
are you dumb tough?
2013-07-07 23:30
In Portugal it is.
2013-07-12 23:02
yeah lucky for you. there are few countries witch banned it. my country is one of them.
2013-07-13 08:24
yes it should
2013-07-01 14:04
no it should not
2013-07-01 17:36
Firstly: If you would ever experience a Psychosis because of Marijane I am pretty sure you would think twice about your Statement Alcohol and Tabacco are worse for the human being. But my Opinion to the Mainquestion. It's a Fact that Drugs took place into this World and also that this Reality won't change and gives room for Criminality. So because of this simple Fact I really think all Drugs worldwide should be lagalized and strictly controlled by their States. I am not a Drug Consumer anymore like I was in my younger Years, but this seems to be the only real Solution to control the Devils Ground, cause you can't conjure all Drugs away from this Earth cause you would have to destroy every single Guy involved into the whole criminal Drugsystem and the current Situation proves it wouln't work out for our worldwide Law Systems in general.
2013-07-01 14:17
And don't undertsand me wrong. What I am saying, I am saying because I know this whole Drugshit and this Methode would be exactly necessary for those still dumb Motherfuckers wasting their Lives with Drugs and to protect them. And ofcourse it's totally important to clarify every young human being already in school in terms of drugabuse. Just to make them know about it, even if we all know that many, many young Souls won't listen to their Teachers and rather suck the Devil's Cock cause they are just not mindbroaded enough to realise the whole mess. ;)
2013-07-01 14:25
In America they make too much money from having people in jail, it's a business. This is why they wont make it federally legal. There is a reason they have the highest prisoners per capita rate, it's because they make money from it. America has revoloutionised slavery. "In 2010, black men were incarcerated at a rate of 3,074 per 100,000 residents; Latinos were incarcerated at 1,258 per 100,000, and white men were incarcerated at 459 per 100,000.4 Since 2007, however, the incarceration rate in the United States has tapered slightly and the 2010 prison population saw a decline—of 0.3 percent—for the first time since 1972, according to the BJS."
2013-07-01 14:38
Interesting Point Bro.
2013-07-01 14:42
You really think they are making money having people in jail? That's just straightout not true. It costs money to have people in jail. Ofc the US is quite different, it costs a lot more to have a ganger rob, rape and steal but still, jail is not a business you make money with E: hella typ0
2013-07-01 14:46
What if you privatized jails and make the inmates do work with very small pay, then sell that cheap labor and/or products to companies or whatever..? I highly doubt the US gov is using "slavery". But there definitely is a way to make money with prisons if states subsidizes the costs of food, electricity and whatever and make the inmates work with small pay. In other words cheap labor good for bizniz. On topic: Yea it should be legal. There´s too much shitweed sold by asshole dealers with who-knows-what-chemicals used in growing making the plant a little dangerous. Plus, the tax the governments could get from this huge industry would cover the costs of addiction or psychosis treatment easily.
2013-07-02 19:54
lol. Let me guess, you have been smoking weed regulary for years.
2013-07-01 14:54
Punishments are way too high in Poland for having marijuana in pocket/house. Jail for few grams? Thats crazy. Maybe because almost every kid tried marijuana in my school. That's not good too... I dont know how it's in other countries
2013-07-01 15:48
It already is legal :P
2013-07-01 15:56
lucky bastard :D
2013-07-02 16:19
yes, and I don't smoke. I think people don't have to be afraid just because they like to smoke.
2013-07-01 18:39
“It's just the stupidest law possible... You're just making criminals out of people who aren't engaged in criminal activity. And we're spending zillions of dollars trying to fight a war we can't win! We could make zillions, just legalize it and tax it like we do liquor. It's stupid.” -Morgan Freeman Completely agree with this statement.
2013-07-01 21:17
honestly i don't give a fuck about that. I will smoke it, legalized or not.
2013-07-02 16:07
+1
2013-07-02 17:31
Yes. /lock
2013-07-02 16:17
Fun fact: You don't give a damn about this subject when you're old enough to understand it's stupid to smoke weed.
2013-07-02 16:25
stupid for u, there are religions who believes that brings some positive aspects to your life or even just because you like even the flavour or the mood u get.
2013-07-02 17:32
Here all drugs are decriminalize and some drugs are complety legal (salvia, some acids etc) where we can buy in stores like magicmushroomlx.eu/ and others. finally last year some of these stores were closed by the government. I think Portugal is a good exemple and more countries should follow, most of the countries spend millions fighting against drugs and their results are really low compare to portugal.
2013-07-02 16:42
salvia it's actually illegal since the last update on the forbiden substances.. And that's a shame :\
2013-07-02 19:11
Magic mushroom still selling in Bairro Alto, at least one friend said he bought salvia there, it was 2/3 weeks ago
2013-07-02 19:18
To legalize marijuana is not to sell marijuana, if this plant was legalized the law should be like 2 plants for each house/person and only to self-consumption.
2013-07-02 17:31
like in some places in spain.
2013-07-02 17:35
it's different in spain. there are some clubs where u can plant your weed and it grows there the owners care of it but you can only smoke there because if u were catched with some weed out in the streets u can be punished.
2013-07-02 17:40
just like amsterdam, u only can smoke inside of coffee shops
2013-07-02 17:42
but i didn't compared to any other country so, I don't know why you mentioned Spain and Netherlands
2013-07-02 17:44
"...if this plant was legalized the law should be like 2 plants for each house/person and only to self-consumption." that's why i talked about spain,
2013-07-02 21:37
I dont understand how that makes sense. Two plants can be 50 grams or 500 grams. If there was a law about it, it should be square feet filled with plants or something. I would have 2 MASSIVE plants if i lived in a country where 2 was legal. Even 1 would be enough!
2013-07-04 18:44
then if you think that 2 were enough u only had 1 xD but think like this the plant takes her time to give the "fruit" so u could play with that..
2013-07-04 19:16
no
2013-07-02 17:43
Yes.
2013-07-02 17:46
Well legal things are not cool so I think it will reduce the amount of hobo's and lung cancer deaths.
2013-07-02 20:17
Marijuana is bad, mkay. Drugs are bad, mkay.
2013-07-02 21:07
Well you don't have to use them just because it's legal. I can't force you to use drugs aswell as you can't force me to stop using drugs.
2013-07-04 14:02
Its was a refference from South park :)
2013-07-04 18:45
ofc yes, plants shouldn't be illegal.
2013-07-02 21:41
#192
Europe CGM 
no. get away drug
2013-07-02 21:48
hahahaha getaway to what? McDonalds mby, nothing more! Brainwashed people. :)
2013-07-02 23:01
#200
Europe CGM 
i think you are stupid as a potato. if you smoke weed everyday, you'll not feel the same as the first 2-3-4-5 times, it gets boring and you'll try something hard.
2013-07-03 15:09
hahahaha u are so retarded, i smoke weed for years and i have never ever wanted to try something "harder". Where did u get that info that after 5 times of smoking it gets boring lol ? If you are a boring dude - it will be boring, if u know how to enjoy the high it will never get boring even after 1000times of smoking dude. After a coule of months of smoking i just need to smoke a lil bit more than i did in the first couple of weeks for example - that is true, but i have never wanted to try something else than this plant. <3 If u say weed is a getaway to heroin for example, than milk is a getaway to alcohol. If you are dumb + not educated maybe u will go ahead and eat those chemical drugs, not me.
2013-07-03 17:56
+1 I just take a week break or a few days off. Its like smoking again for the first time :)
2013-07-04 17:54
same here, but i just take a month or two off and it really feels like u smoke for the first time, that first hit after a break hits u so strong haha! :)
2013-07-04 18:22
LOL One hit = good for the day! xD
2013-07-04 18:39
exactly :)
2013-07-04 19:00
No bro i have been smoking weed for many years now, you are clueless.
2013-07-04 18:16
DRUGS are shitty, cocaine, -H- and other shit that can kill people, but not Mary Jane; it should be legal
2013-07-02 21:51
Killing yourself should be illegal? And who are you, a slave owner?
2013-07-02 22:59
no
2013-07-02 22:14
na
2013-07-02 23:01
The only harm of cannabis is by keeping it illegal, for various political reasons and aspects many old folk in my country want to keep it that way. You have to keep in mind that harmfulness of the substance doesnt matter for politicians but its the aftermath. People who see cannabis as a cancer need to cheerish some aspects such as "Why should I be the one deciding for other peoples choiches?", "How come youth start smoke cannabis?", "Which consequenses to society happens when dealers have power of the plant?" just to name a few. Sadly I believe Sweden will one of the few last countries to legalize it within a 15-30 years period from now.
2013-07-04 17:54
True, its not illegal for health reasons certainly. There are obviously other reasons behind it, but its a load of bullshit and sooner or later weed will be legal in most countries. The fact is that through their own demonization of marijuana, the older generations have only hindered the studies that would reveal the actual truth. Its not as harmful as originally suggested, that was a big load of bullshit made up because timber companies knew that hemp would create a lot of competition. I wouldnt be surprised if oil, alcohol and pharmaceutical companies were involved. I think there's always going to be idiots who believe the lies that were made up. Have you seen that commercial with two guys sitting there smoking, and one guy shoots himself with a shotgun. Then a message appears on the screen saying "SMOKING MARIJUANA DISTORTS REALITY" or some shit. Its ridiculous, its beyond me why people actually believe that. I guarantee too that there are still people alive today who believe that smoking a spliff will make you shoot yourself in the face. Imagine this big load of lies as being a massive wound, it will take time to heal. Even when its healed there will be a big scar left over.
2013-07-04 18:07
Yeah absolutely absurd. Its basically the same thing which EU are doing with Snus (snuff) at the moment, really. Ciggarette companies lobbying politicians against making substances (some E-types) illegal in European countries. Its like some people dont want to believe the truth.
2013-07-04 18:20
Disgraceful. I dunno what to believe anymore, never mind weed. Hopefully one day all the bullshit and the people behind it will go away. Doubt it though. If weed ends up being legalised, the focus will shift to some other ludicrous "law". Endless.
2013-07-04 18:40
I believe in family and friends and to set an example to your loved ones, those things are what really matters. Oh jesus im actually being emotional on an e-sport site :D As matisyahu would say "one day". Btw _HILLARIOUS_ advertise for marijuana.
2013-07-04 18:59
Yeah, family matters most. Well said :)
2013-07-05 14:07
YES
2013-07-04 18:51
no, it should not be legalized. with tobaco + alcohol there are 2 civilized drugs, which causes many fucking bad things, ppl get ill, ppl get addicted, ppl die. was addicted 3 years, smoking weed every day, as just a fucking lazy zombie. added amphetamine, tried cocain, xtc and all the other shit, even methamphe. using weed + amphetamine every day, all other drugs only at weekend. needed a therapy of alltogether 7 months to get back to life, which i enjoy even more than b4 all that shit. still got some friends who slightly smoke a joint, but divorced to ppl who seeing drugs as the main thing of their life. 1 of them died alrdy on cocain, all other are >30, jobless, some homeless, no teeth, no family, all fucked up. that doenst mean that all of the guys who smoke pod several times will get addicted and try other things like the chemical stuff, but the chance is there and i cant see why i should play the devils game. rlly sad when seeing 14 year old kids here in berlin sniffing the white shit, cause their life is as sad as you cant imagine, so they have a bit fun for a few hours and jsut ignore what they do to their bodie. tldr sry
2013-07-04 19:06
Ok but this thread is about marijuana, people dont die as a result. You just typed a load of effects like "homeless" "no teeth", but they have nothing to do with marijuana?? And also its not addictive, you just had an addictive personality considering the amount of other drugs you took. Its really upto the person whether they wanna try other stuff, weed doesnt affect that. Well done for getting off all that shit :)
2013-07-04 21:55
^what he said
2013-07-04 22:36
+1 at the Berliner 14 years old kids.. Really sad seeing so many young people smoking weed and whatsoever. I see them everyday on my way outside, oh well, I do smoke weed as well, but only once every 2 weeks or something like that, not really addicted to it and never will be. If it's available at that place, then why not, but all in all it's a really bad habit.
2013-07-05 19:10
To people that do drugs etc: Grow the fuck up.
2013-07-04 19:23
lol
2013-07-04 22:06
I'm sorry but that was really stupid. Really stupid.
2013-07-04 22:37
Stupid in which kind of aspect? You think its cool that people get high, do crazy shit with it.. Shame on you then!
2013-07-05 18:59
Ill tell you how its stupid. "To people that do drugs etc: Grow the fuck up." First of all, alcohol is a drug. You know that? Drinking alcohol can be classed as "doing drugs". I know for fact you didnt consider that when you wrote "drugs". So basically, you're saying any alcohol drinkers should grow the fuck up? Erm alcohol is legal ill drink it if i want thank you very much. I think these days its just fucking stupid to generalise every single substance and call them all "drugs". They are all so different that it just makes no sense. Some are legal, some are illegal, some kill you, some rot your teeth, some give you cancer, some make you go insane and some have little to no negative effects at all. Think about what you're saying. I can see from your profile that you're only 16 so you have a lot to learn. My advice: dont listen to the ignorant idiots that say "DRUGS ARE BAD". People take drugs every day for a vast array of ailments and sickness. Saying "To people that do drugs etc: Grow the fuck up.", is just beyond ignorant. Good day.
2013-07-05 19:21
I can kill you if isee you smoking illegal substance, you migth be dangerous and carry illegal guns too. think twice about smoking in public at least, migth be more psychos like me.
2013-07-08 00:17
sure, man. Its natural!
2013-07-08 00:48
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Netherlands K1NGBOAZ 
In Holland the government only ignores it, its not really ligalized. But this way the government can legaly deal drugs right under our own noses. They make millions of tax money from coffeeshops. Coffeeshops have to pay huge taxbills every year. Probably a good thing to legalize, your country will be richer. Although every drug that remains illegal will take the place of the drug thats ligalized, so criminals will always continue dealing. This is what u see here in holland with XTC. So when u ligalize this one, the other one will take over. Always gonna be that way.
2013-07-13 10:15
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