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Dota2 - The International Championships
Bosnia and Herzegovina MILENKOLaka 
Starting tonight @ 22:00h CET. First match for wildcard spot: Quantic vs. RattleSnake (BO5) Very close match Imo. I think Quantic wins 3-2. What's your favourite to win the tournament? I would like Alliance to take it. Discuss. :)
2013-08-02 21:35
Myanmar alon9 
lol "RattleSnake"
2013-08-02 21:38
Quantic 3-0
2013-08-02 21:39
no fucking way
2013-08-02 21:41
Yea Sure. LOL
2013-08-03 11:27
Lets see if it reaches 500.000 viewers like every LoL hating DotA 2 fanboy says its gonna reach. But ya, Quantic wins.
2013-08-02 21:40
it already did, 1 year ago...
2013-08-02 21:40
Okay, lets see if it does this year
2013-08-02 21:40
This year will be more than 500k viewers I believe.
2013-08-02 21:41
Would be pretty cool :D
2013-08-02 21:42
Germany sanity_ 
Ingame like 120.000, and on streams around 100.000 (but many people watch both simultaniously i guess)
2013-08-02 23:06
Yes, and thats why its pretty much only fair if you compare viewers with League of Legends to use twitch viewers since League of Legends players play on another client so people have no way to spectate the game. It'll probably be around the same for League of Legends if we could spectate too. Not counting random chinese/foreign streams.
2013-08-02 23:09
wildcard match had over 300k Final is predicted to be 1 mio viewers :) I don't play DotA 2 or LoL but I think DotA 2 is a much better game!
2013-08-03 18:41
145K twitch viewers, I do not count both in-game and twitch viewers. Which is still less than what LCS had. LoL would probably also have alot of spectators had the players not been playing on a different client. Thats why its unfair to count both in-game and twitch because LoL players only count twitch.
2013-08-03 18:55
how is that unfair, you are just too biased. DotA 2 > LoL
2013-08-03 19:02
Not viewerwise, though. Try again!
2013-08-03 19:11
You're just being ignorant now. Just because LoL doesn't have an ingame viewing option you can't just NOT count ingame viewers of DotA 2. LoL is by far the most popular game but DotA 2 is also a far better competetive game. Just because Justin Beiber has more fans it doesn't mean he's a better artist.
2013-08-03 19:20
Tell me why its a far better competetive game.
2013-08-03 19:28
just go play lol and dont bug people.
2013-08-03 19:43
2013-08-03 19:45
World breezy0 
because the skill ceiling in dota is much higher, dota is a lot more complex and harder to learn than lol. it's simply as that, that's why dota is the better competitive game.
2013-08-03 20:45
Its harder to learn, yes, true. But that doesnt make it a better competetive game. The skill ceiling? I think its 50/50. I like the freedom and movement capabilities that you have in League of Legends (also why I enjoy 1.6 over CSGO). Plus League of Legends bring alot of new stuff to the table whereas DotA is just the same old.
2013-08-03 21:09
kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
Ok, by your logic, the more difficult the game is the better it will be? So, I wanna be the boshy > all, let it be an esport right now! lol You are senseless. Dota fanboys always with this arguments about difficult, but it doesn't make the game better or funnier.
2013-08-04 19:43
World breezy0 
it makes the game more competitive, what's so hard to understand there? when you see dota2 pros playing you can be sure they have real skill unlike lol players.
2013-08-04 20:30
kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
Why can't you see skill watching LoL players? Define "skill" please.
2013-08-04 23:31
You're even more retarded than I am, thats cool.
2013-08-05 00:00
Take your head from your asshole, must be tight there.
2013-08-05 00:57
World breezy0 
2013-08-05 01:14
You are funny ^^
2013-08-05 16:28
With that logic QWOP would be the best competitive game ever
2013-08-06 14:17
Don't mind these retards, they cannot comprehend the concept of a higher skill ceiling creating more flashy plays, and requiring incredible coordination. Both of which get more appreciation from viewers as well as the players themselves.
2013-08-06 20:34
You're a reatard. "They cannot comprehend the concept of a higher skill ceiling creating more flashy plays, and requiring incredible coordination." I literally spit out my fucking water.
2013-08-06 22:34
Poland tfg 
yep cs:source - easy game = only shit lans like i45 or however it was called 1.6 - way harder than cs:s = eswc, wcg, iem, cpl, gg
2013-08-11 14:16
Quit being obtuse, I know that more than half my friends list doesn't even open streams due to the in-game client being free. Myself included. International will have more viewers than LCS, and by a large margin. Which will only keep growing now that the game is released and free2play. Once it becomes readily available in China(which is literally like 80% of the LoLesbians community) it will also become the most popular game.
2013-08-06 20:39
It is released buddy. International hasnt even had a million viewers yet, not even close reaching last years Season 2 finals even. This year is gonna be even bigger, so good luck with that. It even had 18 million in Shanghai. Obviously the International is gonna have more viewers than LCS, you guys are competing for 3 million dollars. LCS is just groupstages leading up to the Season 3 finals later this year lol. Even though its just groupstages, the twitch viewers are still around the same (190K LCS, 190-220K international). So no, not even by a large margin. Just wait till Season 3 finals and watch your shitty game get annihilated. 80% of the community, are you out of your mind? You rarely even see any professional chinese teams at LCS, but sure China do contribute alot to the players, but far from 80%. I'm sorry to tell you theres a new and better game available than your precious little game. > 18 million in Shanghai. > 3 million active viewers @ season 2 finals. Call me when DotA reaches 1 million viewers.
2013-08-06 22:32
2013-08-12 10:32
105k already inside the DotaTV.
2013-08-02 22:11
Canada xb0y 
120k+ in Dotatv in just 5 minutes :O
2013-08-02 22:15
Still far from 500K :D Looks like its pretty stable on 135K~ LCS has more viewers currently.
2013-08-02 22:27
Ukraine gungrave 
160k ingame + 150k on twitch. and this is not even top teams
2013-08-02 22:48
Yes, problem is, you cannot see how many that spectate the LCS games because LoL dont have a counter. Thats what most DotA 2 players are forgetting when comparing viewers. Thats why its most logical to compare ONLY twitch viewers, so its fair for both games. And I know this isnt top teams, but LoL isnt either plus its only LCS and not any huge 3 million championship.
2013-08-02 22:54
Ukraine gungrave 
wut? "you cannot see how many that spectate the LCS games" u can see on twitch. its riot problem thet they dont have ingame spectate
2013-08-02 23:01
I'm sorry but you're not so clever, are you? League of Legends only relies on twitch viewers which was 175K today in LCS. So you're pretty much adding numbers from the spectate too even though League of Legends dont. I'm sure if people would spectate it (they play on another client) it would be somewhere around 350K too maybe even more if we also include random foreign streams (like most of you dota players do too). :) So to make it fair for both games, count twitch viewers. Most logical in my opinion :)
2013-08-02 23:05
Ukraine gungrave 
a u drunk? 0_o
2013-08-02 23:06
you're the one who is drunk. learn to read baby boy
2013-08-03 05:44
Hows that logical?
2013-08-04 07:57
So because Dota2 has more options to watch games than LoL, it makes it not "okay" to count in? LOL
2013-08-05 00:53
Its not about the Options to count cant you freaking read? Dota2 is an awesome game, but compared with LoL viewers and players its just a little baby, deal with it. Jesus christ its like christians trying to prove god exists, so laughable having literally nothing to hang on.
2013-08-05 01:00
hahaha okay dude, idont even play thoose games, why the fuck would i care about Dota2 or LoL, fuck off. His statement is just bullshit, idont give a shit if it was the otherway around. viewers = all who see's the match. TV, SpaceShip, Internet, iphone w/e, take all that and compare. Edit: Oh yeah, and if Dota has 12 sources to see the match and LoL got 10, Dota doesn't only count for 10 of their sources. Kan du forstå det marianne?
2013-08-05 01:17
The sources are the same, the ability to count them is not. Viewers = all who see's the match, agree! Scroll down and you'll see that when LoL shangain all-star match reached 18 MILLION viewers, dota2 fantards went like "It doesnt count, it was in national TV!!!", thats all im saying ;) dota2 fans just contradict themselves all the time, since they dont have any arguments whatsoever, and thats just funny to watch.
2013-08-05 01:21
the 18mil was just a overall viewer, not 18mil at the same time like ynck said/linket to. So theres a difference. Anyways, idont give a shit about this anyways, his comment may be correct, but in his way of saying it, its all bullshit :)
2013-08-05 01:30
Still, the fact is dota2 cant even get to 1/6 of LoL numbers, and thats what dota2 fans seem to not aknowledge somehow. I dont give a damn about this type of topic aswell, 1 is way bigger than the other so theres not really a point in arguing, was just pointing out a fact bro, no hard feelings.
2013-08-05 01:39
You realize that 80% of the lol community and viewers are Chinese right? Outside China league of lesbians community is maybe slightly larger than dotas at best. When dota 2 is readily available in China, and Chinese distribution stops sucking cock, those numbers are gonna even out entirely.
2013-08-06 20:44
As long as you live in that fairy tale and actually believe in what you just wrote, what can i say? Your delusional and time will make you realize it.
2013-08-06 23:11
lmfao that was prob one of the worst comparison but i still do agree, dota2 has nothing on LoL when it comes to viewers.
2013-08-06 10:59
Wasnt ment to be a comparisson, but rather pointing out both have nothing to hang on when debating.
2013-08-06 14:28
LCS is also broadcasted on youtube and azubu, so there are some more viewers
2013-08-05 16:29
"and this is not even top teams" LOLWHAT??? EVERY team on TI3 is an obviously a TOP TEAM...just cause 90% community like only Na`Vi/Alliance/LGD/iG and so on doesn't mean that for example RS or MUFC are not top teams...
2013-08-04 10:29
sorry, but mufc is shit...
2013-08-05 10:09
Of course it will not reach 500k in a match for a wildcard spot, but I believe it will have more than 500k in the final matches of the main tournament
2013-08-02 22:49
I am well aware :D I doubt it will have 500K twitch viewers, but lets see :) Read #35.
2013-08-02 22:54
Ofc it will. Twitch + ingame + swedish TV
2013-08-02 23:05
"Still far from 500K :D" - 1. Its friday, so it means a lot of people are not at their homes. 2. Its only a WILDCARD match and its already have 250k+
2013-08-02 23:11
Not really, who knows how many sits both in-game and twitch. Plus I'm counting twitch only (which was 145K) to compare with LCS viewers and the Season 3 championships later on in the year. If you read my previous posts it's not fair to compare the viewers if DotA also counts spectators since League of Legends viewers has no way to spectate the game in-game since they play on a different client. Also, I know its friday (isnt that a good thing?) its friday night, most people are awake now. I know its only a wildcard match. :)
2013-08-02 23:14
You really want League of Legends to have more spectators, don't ya.
2013-08-02 23:25
Dont mind me, but no, not really. Just wanna compare the viewers in the most logical way instead of one game counting both foreign streams, in-game spectators and to a game counting only twitch viewers. Plus I'm pretty tired of DotA 2 players invading pretty much all League of Legends threads on this forum saying how great their game is. ^__^
2013-08-02 23:31
It's not logical to exclude a portion of the viewers like that. I mean, if you don't care about the total amount of viewers, then it's ok, I guess.
2013-08-03 00:02
I do care, but I just know that sometime in the future someones probably gonna bring the viewers up between the two games. And when that happens they probably count twitch viewers, their in-game viewers and foreign streams and compare it to League of Legends viewers (atleast thats what some did last year). Theres no way to know how many viewers League of Legends could have if we were able to also spectate ingame (think about it, 30 million active monthly players, so ALOT). So its pretty unfair in my opinion. :P Also I know I'm being a dickwad when this thread has nothing to do with League of Legends, but DotA 2 elitists gets me pretty annoyed sometimes :D
2013-08-03 00:09
Theres no way to know how many viewers League of Legends could have if we were able to also spectate ingame. True, but it'll just be speculation until Riot gives you the possibility to do so. It's not fair onto Valve or DotA to do it like the way you propose. At least that's what I think. If it helps, I don't like either game.
2013-08-03 00:27
Just out of curiosity, how is counting twitch viewers not fair for DotA? Becuase their main playerbase is chinese or how come? If so then maybe, I dont really know.
2013-08-03 01:12
Because it would not account for DotA's total viewership. Your comparison will actually be more about Twitch, ie "Which of the two games have the most TWITCH viewers."
2013-08-03 11:21
2013-08-03 14:47
How else would you make it fair for both games if you are gonna compare the two games? League of Legends players play on a different client; not able to count in-game.
2013-08-03 18:56
why should it be fair,its not valve's fault that riot hasnt implemented an ingame viewcounter,while in dota you have the option of doing that.But by reading your previous posts this just shows you are just ignorant and acting blind and keep saying the same thing that suits you and keep doing that so i would appreciate if you stop with that bs and stop flooding the thread with your useless comments ty and have a nice evening
2013-08-04 01:24
First of all, its not that League of Legends hasnt implemented a viewcounter, its that the players play on a different client (so they have unlocked all champs, runes, everything). But if it shouldnt be fair if we count viewernumbers, here you go: "Online stream viewership peaked at over 1,154,000 concurrent viewers during the World Finals. 2.4 million people watched live on television in Korea and China" ^ was last season. "Riot Games released word today that the final day of their League of Legends All-Star Game in Shanghai in May drew 18 million unique viewers, blowing away the previous record" So by counting everything and the total, League of Legends shit on DotA's silly 500K viewers anyway. Come and be mad. And who are you to tell me what to do? Stay jelly.
2013-08-04 01:27
im not the one being mad,as im reading your posts desperatly trying to prove smth.However it doesnt matter how many people are watching dota2 that doesnt stop me from enjoying myself watching.So if only viewers make the game better you are so wrong.And stop replying to me i dont want to see your pathetic excuses
2013-08-04 01:43
I just prove all these dota 2 elitists on this forum wrong because they invade 90% of all League of Legends threads made on this forum. The more viewers = the more interesting it must be to watch, otherwise the game would have as little viewers as CSGO (boring to watch :D), and the more viewers = the more popular. So its both more popular and interesting to watch. Also, I reply to you if you reply to me. If you wanna stop discussing, stop replying to me. Be jelly.
2013-08-04 02:40
2013-08-04 08:27
Do you also listen to Justin Bieber? Because the more viewers = better? One of his "music" videos has second highest views (first is gangnam style), so it must be good.
2013-08-04 14:34
What a nice comparison, I almost fell out of my chair. Also where did I say there more views = the better? I said the more views = more popular. l2 read posts before making idiotic replies.
2013-08-04 18:49
The more viewers = the more interesting it must be to watch l2read your own comments. Let me rephrase my comment: "Because the mroe viewers = more interesting to listen to" Are you happy now?
2013-08-04 19:44
Yes, the more viewers = the more interesting it gotta be to listen to. Sure not everyone likes Justin Bieber, but hell of alot of teenage girls do, and they're watching his youtube videos alot so hence the viewers. Why do you think Gangnam style has so many viewers? Because of chinese people. You cant really compare youtube views with dota viewers or lol viewers tbf. The more viewers = the more interesting it must be to watch. Yes, isn't that obvious? Do you think 18 million people would watch it if they didn't think it was interesting?
2013-08-04 19:54
Ok, Justin Bieber confirmed interesting to listen to. kktnxbye
2013-08-04 20:17
So your logic is like 'Eat shit - millions of flies cannot be wrong' (4fanboys - i'm NOT calling LoL shit)? No offence, but it's ridiculous. People have different tastes, stop this shit.
2013-08-05 10:18
Yes, thats my logic. No its fucking not. If the game has shit loads of viewers it MUST be interesting to watch, otherwise WHY the fuck would people watch it?
2013-08-05 20:49
How is Justin's last clip?
2013-08-06 09:49
All around the world? Song is atually quite good lawl.
2013-08-06 20:12
1. Dota2 has two ways of spectating the game, Twitch or Ingame spectate. So for someone to count HOW MANY PEOPLE WATCHED THE GAME. It would be ALL THE TWITCH VIEWERS + Dota2 Ingame. 2.For LoL the only OPTION is Twitch so you would ONLY count ALL THE TWITCH VIEWERS. After all LoL will still have more viewers than dota2, but your argument has no logic.
2013-08-06 10:23
there is a lot of chinese dota fans who watch others chinese/random streams
2013-08-03 14:47
I'm sure theres shitloads of chinese lol fans that watches chinese/random streams too ;) stop making up excuses, you know its only fair for both games if we count twitch viewers as it would be impossible to make a real comparison if we count dota 2 in-game spectators too because lol cannot.
2013-08-03 18:58
chrisJ | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
That is in no-way fair you absolute spacker. The best way to count which game has the most viewers, is to count ALL the fucking viewers. Absolute moron, stop typing, you are wasting HLTVs valuable bytes.
2013-08-07 20:50
why the fuck would someone watch both and in game too? You know, in game you have the possibility to pick a broadcast(same one as on, so your argument is invalid. Maybe 10 let's say maximum of 20 % of people watch both stream and in game but that's it.
2013-08-03 17:35
I know for a fact like 50% or even maybe 70% watched streams while still watching HLTV too in 1.6. Atleast all of my friends did. Why would it be any different in DotA? Your argument is invalid broseph. I know its not a real comparison as the dotaTV still has camera movements and commentary, but people can still watch both things and I'm sure theres many doing so. :D
2013-08-03 19:01
I know for a fact like 50% or even maybe 70% watched streams while still watching HLTV too in 1.6. I know for a fact 50% or even maybe 70% B---but...but.. Ingame dotatv has commentary + stream camera movements, so it's an either or situation, whereas all LoL viewers are on twitch ALL OF MY WAT
2013-08-03 22:21
Not really, had 18 million viewers in Shanghai during the All-Star tournament (counting tv views too).
2013-08-04 18:50
The comment I replied to is absurd. Your original comment is absurd. Your logic is absurd (only count twitch huehuehue lol jk cause surpassed, 50% in Dota keep stream+DotaTV on ehuehue) Yeah Lesbians has had a higher peak in viewers and most sensible people wouldn't argue with that. Your comments have been incorrect/absurd for most of the arguing you've done in this thread (also 10/10 trolling making me give a proper response)
2013-08-04 21:34
I make you do what you dont want to, just admit that LoL > DotA in every way possible already and we can stop the discussion here. Please dont call anyone names, thank you.
2013-08-04 21:58
After all this you suddenly stop trying? Dropped to a 4/10 (for still making me reply)
2013-08-04 22:46
Stop trying what? Whats left man? League of Legends has close to 16 if not more million viewers at their tournament, not even counting this years Season 3 tournament. DotA 2 has had what? 1 million at best total viewers this year so far? Hmph. It has more players, better freedom, better movement and the skill ceiling of the two games are around the same (the games are different, so obviously cant compare). Its not even worth discussing anymore since its so much bigger and better than dota, probably why I stop trying.
2013-08-04 23:09
7/10 for making me lol
2013-08-04 23:46
So you admit it, thats cool. Glad theres atleast one normal human being on these forums!
2013-08-04 23:59
3/10 for having no shame
2013-08-05 00:54
Why are you trying so hard? Dota2 fantards are just as retarded as 1.6 diehard fans, you can make them see facts, you can argue whatever you feel like, they will still do some serious brain gymnastics to actually try to convince you Dota2 is the shit! Has WAYYYYYYYYY less players, way less viewers, way less everything but hey, ITS SUPER HARD!!!! And because its SUPER HARD!!!, its SUPER MORE COMPETITIVE!!!, therefore its the best game evahhh, while LoL is for fucktards who cant play dota2! ;D
2013-08-05 01:09
I dont even know whats so hard about DotA. I mean sure, the game might be harder to learn than LoL, but once you get into it theres no real difference. I just prefer League of Legends because its not so clumsy and dark as fuck, I prefer the skills and abilities (also summoner spells) that champions has, becuase with flash and stuff you are able to make different and nice plays. The movement feels awesome and the freedom of many champions allows for huge plays (lee sin for example). DotA is not even as hard as they make it out to be, its just that thats their only go-to defensive reply that they have because they cant possibly compete with League of Legends anyway. Its like 1.6 fanboyism indeed. Anyway, because I'm trying so hard is because I hate faglets dota 2 elitists who invade 90% of all lol threads made on this forum, so now Ima just invade their precious dota forums because you know, who gives a fuck
2013-08-05 01:42
I actually agree with you at 100%. I played dota for years and like.. its way harder in the beggining yes, it is. Its harder when your trying to become good at it, yes, it is. But when you get to a top level, its just as hard as LoL. And i played both at high level (diamond1 at LoL atm and played dota for years) and i really cant see that much of a different. They, dota2 fantards, simply have no arguments whatsoever. They cant accept a game that was copied out from dota, is 20x more sucessfull, they just cant live with it apparently. They got this magical thought that only players who "Arent good enough to play dota2" play LoL, which is laughable to say the least. Anyway, theres no point talking to them, let them argue and get mad over something that cannot be changed - LoL is way bigger than dota2 will ever be.
2013-08-05 01:48
The funny thing is, even though it may sound retarded, is that I find these discussions really funny. I talk to them and they give me false information, they spread bullshit and saying its not their fault because League of Legends' developers don't create an in-game spectating feature and that they (lol developers) clearly dont care about their community. That just goes to show how little they know about the game that they're trying to attack, they probably havent even tried it past level fucking 3 if at all. Counting twitch viewers, while may not be fair (still the most logical option in my opinion since thats the only way to count League of Legends' viewers), they count their precious twitch viewers plus chinese random foreign streams and also in-game and compare it to League of Legends' twitch viewers. I dont even understand how that even makes remotely sense to any of them, since if they do it like that, its obvious that they would beat League of Legends' viewers, otherwise I'd fucking laugh my ass off. I played shit ton of DotA 7 years ago, and I also tried DotA 2, but the game is pretty bad in my opinion. League of Legends anyday over that shit. I kinda already lost hope in Valve and their shit games to be honest. Not worth dealing with. And even if DotA 2 should SOMEDAY become bigger than League of Legends (good luck, by the way lol), it still wont change that the game allows for more fun, exciting and better gameplay than DotA 2 ever has.
2013-08-05 01:57
Estonia 2026 
Yeah you better show him Pus!!! Fuck LoL! People who play that can't play dota2 for shit!
2013-08-03 00:55
i play lol,and i used to play dota for like 6+(from 5.84) years,problem?
2013-08-03 17:29
yeah, you picked lol because it's easier and you pawn other noobs and you feel good about yourself ;(
2013-08-03 17:36
Yet u sucked and u thought that it's time to switch to lol?
2013-08-03 19:45
no,i play lol mainly cause my pc cant run smoothly dota2,and cause my friends play,and to be honest its more fun and stressfull game. i would love to see some dota pro guys like u play vs platinum in lol,lets see then...
2013-08-03 19:49
It's more stressfull? what? kiddings? And as u said your PC can't run dota so 1 reason why switch already, I don't give a fuck about lol and never will, played 2 game on it BEFORE I PLAYED DOTA EVER and disliked the game immediately.
2013-08-03 19:51
u played the game while lvl 1 on it,without known sh1t about it and disliked,lol is ok game,faster than dota and have different metagames,its just different,i just dont like people hating on lol or dota,i played and i like both of them,especially the blind army doto2 players saying that lol is "to easy" and all this sh1t,if its to easy why they dont come pwn everyone ?
2013-08-03 21:08
League of Legends already have alot more spectaters ;) all hes saying is that since there is various clients for LoL, it is not possible to count the total amount of spectators for X event or game, can only be counted on viewers, which is obviously not even 50% of the total who actually watches X event/game.
2013-08-05 01:05
it's wildcard match and theres 150k watching ingame + ~100k on twitch so yeah, main event will break 500k easily
2013-08-03 00:53
Again :P I'm ONLY counting twitch viewers since you cant know how many people both watch stream + ingame at the same time. I also compare the numbers I get in the finals to the finals of Season 3 championships later on in the year. I dont think it'll break 500K on twitch :D
2013-08-03 01:13
did you ever spectated a dota2 game from the client?
2013-08-03 01:21
2013-08-03 01:22
there is no need to have both twitch and the client open at the same time. you can have the comentary and even the camera movements of the casters directy ingame :)
2013-08-03 01:27
There was also no need to do so in 1.6, but we both know that 70% of the viewers did anyway ;-) Your argument is invalid.
2013-08-03 02:54
There was also no need to do so in 1.6, but we both know that 70% of the viewers did anyway ;-) Your argument is invalid. what?
2013-08-03 08:10
his argument is actually valid, because dotaTV has both commentary and camera movements and watching both is pointless god
2013-08-03 11:15
Please, are you that stupid? You're the stereotype of the stupid kid on the internet, who can't accept his opinion is not correct. Jesus.
2013-08-03 14:21
#155 and chill out, i know im right bro
2013-08-03 19:01
ofc the argument is valid, in 1.6 you got only the game, and u could watch the stream at the same time to got the commentaries, in dota2 INGAME you got commentaries and casters movement, so why watch twitch at the same time? to listen the same shit 2 times?
2013-08-03 14:50
dont tell me you close all of your chrome tabs or w/e u use when you watch in-game. many people probably just mute the twitch stream but still watches...
2013-08-03 19:02
Holy fuck you are stupid.
2013-08-03 19:21
fucking troll...
2013-08-05 10:22
are you attracted to my posts or something
2013-08-05 21:05
facepalm'd xd
2013-08-08 07:17
Why you can't just calm down lolfanboy?
2013-08-04 10:35
United Kingdom wap 
"but we both know that 70% of the viewers did anyway ;-)" Bullshit.
2013-08-11 03:28
Singapore hohi 
"you can't know how many people both watch stream + ingame at the same time" You also don't know how many people sit at 1 computer. It can be 5 people counting as 1 spectator on twitch tv too. Not dota2s problem if LoL doesn't allow in-game spectating. We have it and the sponsors care about the in-game spectators number too because 150k inside the game see the sponsor logos and team flags ingame.
2013-08-03 02:31
How many times must I repeat myself? Sure it's not DotA's problem that the LCS players play on a different client at the event, but to make it FAIR for BOTH GAMES I only count twitch viewers, otherwise viewers would favor DotA because you guys CAN ALSO COUNT IN-GAME VIEWERS whereas LoL CANNOT = NOT a fair comparison. Is it so hard to understand? I make a fair for both games by counting twitch viewers; I'm gonna see how many people watches the final and wins the 3 million dollars; then later on in the year I compare those numbers to the Season 3 viewer numbers and then we can judge who has the most viewers. =D Comprende?
2013-08-03 02:53
That's dumb then because obviously dota2 spectators are split into 2 seperate viewer numbers because dota2 HAS THE OPTION to watch ingame. Counting half of The international viewers (twitch) only vs ur LoL viewers is so bias. Count all and then you can compare.
2013-08-03 08:19
Counting both would still favor DotA since people could and probably watches both, even though they probably mute twitch when they watch from in-game. So its impossible to compare the viewers if you do so, since again, lol players play on a different client. I'm honestly sure that if League of Legends had the same system with their spectate stuff like DotA has, it would probably also count 500K viewers TOTAL in a random LCS match.
2013-08-03 19:09
Why do you care about viewer's so much? Dota is a superior game in every aspect, watch and enjoy.
2013-08-03 08:36
I dont think so.
2013-08-03 19:12
he is a troll, it's obvious. And i'm not calling him a troll, cuz he likes LoL, no. He just ignores all comments and keep saying his bullshit (comparing DOTA2TV and HLTV... ROFL).
2013-08-05 10:25
You are an idiot sir. Your logic doesn't make sense. It's like saying you wouldn't count one of TV channels if specific football game is aired on two channels, because other match is being aired only on one channel. Btw: I don't play either of games and cba which one has bigger viewership.
2013-08-03 14:30
please stop embarassing yourself lol, you don't know what are you talking about.
2013-08-03 17:38
You also don't know how many people have 10-15 instances of LoL stream open at the same time. But I am going to say that I know for a fact that 50% of people have 4 instances of LoL stream open which means we have to divide LoL stream numbers by 2.5 to get the actual number of people watching LoL. That's your logic in a nutshell.
2013-08-04 14:40
650k viewers in the first day of the group stages :D
2013-08-03 19:25
234K, stop making up numbers
2013-08-03 19:27
235k on twitch + 190k on chinese streams +260k on dotaTV :D
2013-08-03 19:29
235K, yes.
2013-08-03 19:32
hahahahha ok dude, i give up, think what you want
2013-08-03 19:44
Truth hurts.
2013-08-03 19:44
+500k? 230k on twitch + 170k on chinese streams +250k on dotaTV just today in the first game, now go back to ur LoLameGame
2013-08-03 19:49
230K, yeah
2013-08-03 19:54
lol dude wake up for life pls
2013-08-03 20:21
230K on twitch, 250K ingame = same viewers, just 20K more people in-game that dont know about twitch too. Stop lying to yourself.
2013-08-03 21:12
LOOL u know that ingame is the same as stream? u can choose the caster, why da fuck they will use 2 same things at the same time? In my case my internet sucks and its much better watching in game with "full hd" and no lags.. u are just hating so much that ur casual game is gonna get kicked by a true competitive and skilled game.
2013-08-03 21:21
Ingame is the same as stream? Why are you guys putting the two viewer numbers together when counting total, then? And no, not really. LoL has a higher playerbase, the better game, and the movement aspects of the game shits on DotA 2. So why would I be mad?
2013-08-03 21:25
2013-08-03 22:24
haha dude, ive just read your post, and just to let you know you made the retard of the day :D prob nominated for the monthly price aswell :=)
2013-08-03 22:52
2013-08-03 23:00
I see you're jelly and mad because LoL > DotA.
2013-08-03 23:51
well i dont play any of them sooo xD
2013-08-04 01:10
erm dota got 1/8 of the playerbase from LoL and nearly the same ammount of viewers. But keep defending your casual anime game.
2013-08-04 22:44
LoL had 18 million at their all-star game in shanghai, dota has had what? 1 million at best this year so far? :D well done man. Lets see the numbers to their Season 3 championship final, will be even bigger. Im not defending my game, if anything I just prove to you how much the game shits on dota in any way possible. Try again.
2013-08-04 23:11
you can't count a tv show to the actually viewers. Because if you would do that, dota would be above LoL, since the game gets also broadcast on chinese and koran tv shows :D edit: also on a swedish tv show this year edit2: just googled a bit and you are right, LoL had 18 mio viewers, but not unique viewers so that means freaking nothing xD we have already more then 14 mio viewers and its only the groupe stage :D:D:D
2013-08-04 23:29
concurrent not unique, i mean
2013-08-04 23:30
Source pls by the way, that 18 mill was only the all-star game, later this year its gonna be the championship final so i'd imagine hell of alot more viewers lol > all though.
2013-08-05 00:04
source: their League of Legends All-Star Game in Shanghai in May drew 18 million unique viewers that is fuckin nothing, if you count only the twitch and chinese stream unique viewers, dota gets the number of 18mio in 2 more days. I'm also done to talk with you, since you have no clue what you actually talk :D
2013-08-05 00:16
Your delusional if you actually think dota2 would surpass 18 million viewers, hell, it would have more viewers than its playerbase xD stop hating LoL so much, its understandable that dota players would hate a game who is almost an exact copy, but 10 times more sucessfull, but damn its just getting painfull to see this crybabys every single day
2013-08-05 01:13
the problem is that you have no idea what unique viewers actually mean :D
2013-08-05 01:48
Bro i dont really care about this kind of discussion, hundreds of topics about this get created every month and the fact remains: LoL is way bigger than dota2 will ever be. So theres no point discussing anything, play the game you love, we do the same, ours his way bigger but that doesnt mean anything. Just play whatever you like without constantly atacking one who is more sucessfull.
2013-08-05 01:52
Im not so sure either, but Im pretty sure that DotA has a lot more than 18 million players :p time to do some research bro or give me source to your "fact" :)
2013-08-08 07:45
Hopefully you know what google is, so I wont obviously bother doind "some research" when you can perfectly do it yourself and enlight yourself, bro.
2013-08-08 15:17
What? I told you to give the source on your 14 million views in the group stage, why would I ask for the source of the game that I am defending and for the viewers that I mentioned that the game had? Wat. Give me the source for your shit, thanks. Also, it looks to me that you're the one who has no clue what you're actually talking about. "Since you have no clue what you actually talk" rip in peace engrish. 18 million views is nothing? This more than the total playerbase than DotA 2, actually alot more. Explain to me how your game can get 18 million viewers in less than 2 days if it doesnt even have the playerbase for it? Are you alright?
2013-08-05 01:34
2013-08-05 01:49
I'm still waiting one the Source, though. Or do you wanna retract your retarded statement before it gets too emberassing for you?
2013-08-05 02:00
2013-08-05 01:14
Burn? How come? Read #361 and #353, whos the ones on fire?
2013-08-05 01:35
If you actually play LoL I'm sorry. Maybe when you're 12 you'll stop.
2013-08-11 15:26
lol had 1.1 million at season 2? lol The International 3 came roughly 100,000 viewers short of tying the all-time eSports record set by Riot's League Championship Series Season 2 finals with 1.1 million. and that was a year ago, lol is MUCH bigger now.. also: whats there to be happy about when nobody cares for the game after the 3 million event (biggest prize pool in history)? hahaha
2013-08-14 14:49
sad, dota2 didnt have scorebot
2013-08-02 21:57
Canada xb0y 
2013-08-02 22:28
3-2 Quantic -100k specs.... LOL
2013-08-02 22:06
Canada xb0y 
And match didn't even started yet.
2013-08-02 22:07
150k on streams and 100k ingame
2013-08-02 22:11
Canada xb0y 
Match started 200k Now D:
2013-08-02 22:09
150k TwitchTV 110k in game 260k viwers holy shit. //Edit 130k in game. 280k total :)
2013-08-02 22:15
150 holy sh1t what will be when navi and alliance will play :O
2013-08-02 22:15
simmo | 
India rite2ace 
2013-08-02 22:16
280k total :)
2013-08-02 22:16
350k with chinese streams
2013-08-02 22:45
anyone knows the numbers in chinese streams?
2013-08-02 22:18
Canada xb0y 
2013-08-02 22:32
dat clinkz
2013-08-02 22:19
guys.tell me score after 1 map
2013-08-02 22:20
It's just the qualifier match. Wait for the Top 8~
2013-08-02 22:34
Only 150 k on twitch..
2013-08-02 22:44
350k is the total
2013-08-02 22:55
Count twitch viewers so its fair for both games. You cannot compare two games where one of them has an in-game spectator list, twitch etc to a game who relies pretty much only on twitch viewers. :p Who knows how many people are spectating in-game in League of Legends. If we had the numbers it would probably also be somewhere around 350K just for LCS if we also were counting random foreign streams. Not that the numbers arent impressive, but just saying :)
2013-08-02 23:02
why the heck are you talking about "comparing games" in post that only says 350k in total and hasn't anything do to with LoL?
2013-08-02 23:17
Because I'm comparing? And because I know that BrazilianGangsta guy is gonna show up sooner or later "LOLOL lol only 200k twitch viewers but dota 2 500k coz we count chinese and in-game spectat0rz"
2013-08-02 23:18
are you really retarded or what? that's what gets both communities mad and shittalking between eachother, idiots like you e// typo
2013-08-02 23:23
I love you too <3 :) I'm not hating on anyone. I've just seen that BrazilianGangsta in pretty much all League of Legends threads this year, hence my post. ;>
2013-08-02 23:23
Still... Idiot :-)
2013-08-03 14:31
Poland NULLE-k1ng 
nobody asked for your retarded comparison there
2013-08-03 15:29
Man... Dota2 is so good to spectate :). Really interesting, even if you aren't into Dota THAT much.
2013-08-02 22:45
d you watched TI2? if no, youll see how the games become epic in later stages, its awesome
2013-08-02 23:11
yeah, i've watched every TI so far.
2013-08-02 23:12
Any stream? I know that the finals are being broadcasted on national TV here in Sweden lol
2013-08-02 22:51
Germany ynck 
2013-08-02 23:07
RattleSnake just won Game 1. Game 2 coming up next. Stream ->
2013-08-02 23:05
Germany sanity_ 
Better dont click the jD link, rather go with BTS Also wtf JubaSNIPER that has to be the worst name ever...
2013-08-02 23:08
BTS don't know wtf they are talking about, I'd rather listen to v1lat or Tobi+wagamama (even though waga is boring as fuck)
2013-08-03 00:13
u always can listen to v1lat :D
2013-08-03 17:52
even though I don't understand shit, his enthousiasm is so great to hear :P
2013-08-03 17:55
would be great to know all languages :D
2013-08-03 18:18
Tunisia edgg 
these numbers are really close to csgo's
2013-08-02 23:10
2013-08-03 00:13
once you goblak, you never go back
2013-08-02 23:17
i cant wait for navi vs [A] i hope its the final ;) and really wanna see how mouz will perform lately they owned alot of teams ;)and ofc lovely VP ;D ahahaha chaos knight with wisp :O
2013-08-02 23:23
2013-08-02 23:23
+CK and Furion = GG
2013-08-02 23:27
imagine that with zeus, even tho zeus loses mid pretty easily, overkills everywhere
2013-08-03 11:45
zeus losing mid easily?:D maybe if he get ganked, otherwise he just spam 1st spell imo:D
2013-08-03 18:19
World breezy0 
mouz got this so easy~
2013-08-02 23:29
i fucking hope so
2013-08-03 00:56
2013-08-02 23:34
u can never have this kind of shit in LOL ;)
2013-08-03 00:05
World breezy0 
why even talk about lol? lol is for kids and casuals who don't seek any form of challenge.
2013-08-03 00:16
LOOOOL dude this kinda of reactions happen every single week on LoL ;) never go full retard mode
2013-08-03 00:26
Germany ynck 
2013-08-03 00:41
we are not talking about the reactions you dipshit, and someone flashing over a wall after a 5 man gank using every single shit they have isnt that good of a reaction
2013-08-03 11:47 nop im not talking about flashs
2013-08-03 13:36
You think runnr shared that youtube link for crowd reaction?
2013-08-03 03:50
wow this is so impressive!!!111! what a video, what a game
2013-08-03 04:52
retard, deal with it, LoL is amazingness
2013-08-03 11:08
seems like kids playing with toys, someone using his blink doesn't really impress me retard
2013-08-03 17:24
u can't even deny ur own creeps AHAHAHAHAH
2013-08-03 20:08
that's a play that you see in casual pubs every fucking hour, jesus christ
2013-08-04 06:43
you have better in LoL ;)
2013-08-04 06:10
damn that was so exciting watching it live! So great play.
2013-08-03 04:54
Who cares about viewer numbers vs lol. If you watch the player interviews or view of the venue you can see just how much effort valve put into the international. If valve put even 1/10 of the effort into csgo it will be more popular than any other PC shooter
2013-08-03 01:56
CS:GO is a fucking bad game, deal with it
2013-08-03 15:21
Finland nsis 
Silent best NP eu, feeding his ass off.
2013-08-03 02:22
Singapore hohi 
Awesome start to TI3! can't wait for the matches later!
2013-08-03 02:43
Asian dominate, part2
2013-08-03 03:02
Counting Twitch only is retarded. If you watch in game you can win items, heaps will watch in game instead. Not to mention, Korean/Chinese dont even use Twitch.
2013-08-03 03:07
Germany ynck 
you can link ur twitch account with ur steam account, means you can get item drops and courier views via twitch j4i
2013-08-03 03:10
Slovakia Puki 
Good to know :) I didn't know i can win items by watching TI3 games.
2013-08-03 03:16
Germany ynck 
you have to buy the compendium
2013-08-03 03:20
I have compendium
2013-08-03 04:15
ah ok, so you can get items dropped
2013-08-03 04:27
he dont need to have compendium, compendium just make the chances higher
2013-08-03 04:43
nop, i'm not talking about pennants
2013-08-03 05:34
Rooting for iG !
2013-08-03 11:19
100% more that 500k
2013-08-03 11:26
Rooting for Na`Vi and VP!
2013-08-03 11:40
Rooting for & Alliance!~
2013-08-03 13:57
Spain akproxx 
go dota2 in dota2 web
2013-08-03 14:32
go alliance! :)
2013-08-03 14:57
amazing match yesterday, looking forward for more. Na`Vi gonna play today :)
2013-08-03 16:18
I hope Alliance will take it this year
2013-08-03 16:19
Need top awper -rattlesnake +fifflaren
2013-08-03 16:24
NAVI to dominate ezzzzzzzzzzzzz
2013-08-03 17:24
fanboy fuuu alliance >all
2013-08-03 17:26
+1 It's funny though considering it's a swede who loves NaVi(nothing wrong with that) and a Ukrainian who roots for Alliance xD
2013-08-03 22:45
I hate these kind of threads "DotA2". -.- The most retarded game ever.
2013-08-03 17:58
csgo the most retardest game ever haters gonma hate
2013-08-03 19:02
I'm not a hater. This is CS site and STFU!
2013-08-03 20:08
so even in offtopic you should stay cs related? seems legit...
2013-08-10 14:18
200k+ on twitch + 200k+ on Dota TV This game is hugeeeeeeeee!
2013-08-03 18:17
221 k on twitch
2013-08-03 18:24
~150 k on DOTA tv
2013-08-03 18:29
it was 200k at dotatv + 200k at twitch
2013-08-03 18:32
twitch: 235,592 dotatv: 260,000 cn stream: 190,000
2013-08-03 19:15
rofl thats a number ;D
2013-08-03 19:31
230k on twitch + 170k on chinese streams +250k on dotaTV we already beat the record of concurrent viewers o last TI =))
2013-08-03 19:14
it is site about counter-strike, not about dota -.-
2013-08-03 19:23
its offtopic forum so shut up fnatic w0w cant believe they show so goood game!
2013-08-03 19:28
thatswhy we have an 'off' forum
2013-08-03 19:28
ok, sorry please
2013-08-03 19:29
imo dota2 is the best competitive today, so relax and enjoy the show buddy
2013-08-03 19:32
Czech Republic PFP 
2013-08-03 19:33
2013-08-03 19:33
2013-08-03 19:35
Azerbaijan Talley 
MOBA games suck anyway.
2013-08-03 19:28
2013-08-03 19:35
So you join a moba game thread just to say i sucks?
2013-08-03 20:22
240k twitch + 200k DotaTV + 250k Chinese streams. GG LoL
2013-08-03 19:35
"online stream viewership peaked at over 1,154,000 concurrent viewers during the World Finals. 2.4 million people watched live on television in Korea and China". This was in season2 Btw "Riot Games released word today that the final day of their League of Legends All-Star Game in Shanghai in May drew 18 million unique viewers, blowing away the previous record"
2013-08-03 20:14
yeah, 1,1M on finals, dota hreached 600k on groupstage, lets see on the finals.
2013-08-03 20:23
2013-08-03 20:42
im counting online viewers, because we will only know dota2, TV viewers at the end of TI3, so its 1,1m x 650k by now
2013-08-03 20:59
i dont care about the "war" between LoL vs Dota cuz just happens here in hltv, just hope dota get good numbers too
2013-08-03 22:03
+1, as a dota player and "former :D" LoL player i hope both of these games get some knowledge to the people outside of esports so esports keep growing
2013-08-04 06:40
Same. Been saying this for ages. Don't know why there's "war" between the games. I seldom see LoL-players bash Dota2, but there's a lot more the other way around. I just want both to do well, and I've basically never played Dota.
2013-08-04 22:35
United Kingdom wap 
No. The 2.4 million viewers from the TV are not concurrent but unique. Still very impressive though.
2013-08-11 03:33
I think that is bullshit.Even FIFA final didn't have this number of viewers on TV.
2013-08-05 02:56
Add:In China.
2013-08-05 03:15
I never watched dota but i should see if fnatic can take down Na'Vi.
2013-08-03 19:46
hahahhaha xD
2013-08-03 19:53
They won the 1st round :D
2013-08-03 19:58
gogogo fnatic !!! rape navi!
2013-08-03 20:21
fnatic raped Na'Vi in game 1 - totally raped ahahhahh i think now fnatic > Na'Vi ;) very suprised by fntatic's play
2013-08-03 20:43
fnatic are playing out of their mind right now jesus
2013-08-04 06:39
NaVi whyy :,(
2013-08-03 20:44
Denmark e1z 
Sick shit coming out of Fnatic!!!!!
2013-08-03 20:46
uasally Na'Vi played so good and agressive like fnatic in first game... huge progress for fnatic :O
2013-08-03 20:48
Na'Vi 0-2 in groupstage Oo
2013-08-03 20:49
sick shit coming up alliance vs lgd int my rares on [A] even tho i didnt see lgd int play yet
2013-08-03 20:59
now Alliance vs SICK
2013-08-03 21:04
this is the first time im watching dota, and god its quite fun to watch even tho I didnt get shit
2013-08-03 21:31
When starts main tournament ?
2013-08-03 21:34
7 august
2013-08-03 21:44
ty a lot of, can you give me link of tournament, or dota2 page ?
2013-08-03 21:45
2013-08-03 22:12
Im a LoL player and is really hard to see the difference between champs and i feel so lost during the teamfights : (
2013-08-03 22:07
yeah, thats common its quite hard to understand whats happening at teamfights when youre a new player, i think it happens to new players in lol too?, but the games are quite similar, you should be able to understand whos the carry, who are the supports and whos winning just by watching the teamfights and listening to comentators :D
2013-08-03 22:21
I feel the same way as the guy you replied to. I can understand who the carries and supports are, also who's winning. But I don't really know why they're winning and what's really going on. Might be my lack of understanding Dota2, but I'm trying to learn at least!
2013-08-04 22:33
How could you understand if you haven't played the game?
2013-08-04 22:37
lol noob game ;) thats why and has like everything u need to know about this tournament
2013-08-03 22:09
awesome match alliance vs lgd
2013-08-03 22:12
alliance absolutely well played. also good point for fnatic they well be prepared for the tournament. If they can constintant they got the chance finish in top3. The other thing Zenith with bs absolutely not was a good idea but i see new picks and the other.
2013-08-03 23:46
get rid of crux__
2013-08-04 00:13
i concur
2013-08-04 01:11
Loved the play of NaVi a few minutes ago. Awesome stuff!
2013-08-04 01:15
LoL game for children, everything pink and purple gg
2013-08-04 02:03
Amazing to see that dota2 has 5 million unique players and gets like 600k + viewers today whereas League of Legends has like 80 million players and gets only such a little percentage of their playerbase to watch competitive League of Legends
2013-08-04 03:35
80kk ? proof ? in 2012 LoL had 32kk and s2 final s2 wached ~3,5kk viewers
2013-08-04 04:12
Stop pulling numbers out of your ass. "Online stream viewership peaked at over 1,154,000 concurrent viewers during the World Finals. 2.4 million people watched live on television in Korea and China" ^ was last season in League of Legends. "Riot Games released word today that the final day of their League of Legends All-Star Game in Shanghai in May drew 18 million unique viewers, blowing away the previous record"
2013-08-04 04:34 This was in 2012... 32 million monthly active... that was in 2012 and I'd imagine now its even more!
2013-08-04 05:09
And what does that have to do with anything that I mentioned? Im giving you viewers, not current monthly players.
2013-08-04 06:31
Ukraine gungrave 
riot say? OOOOK when we say about dota2 we can see REAL NUMBERS!, spectators in-game client, how many on twitch + chines streams etc. when we say about lol we can see "ok mb 200k+ on twitch and RIOT SAY ITS 2000BILLIONS ON TV ETC ETC ETC. no REAL FACTS." so plz STFU and dont reply me p/s/ sorry for my bad inglihs
2013-08-04 05:19
you just went full retard
2013-08-04 06:15
never go full retard also riot didnt point out the first one, it actually had 3~ million last season. and to be honest, it wouldnt surprise me if the all star games in shanghai had 18 million viewers, since it was hosted in shanghai. its real facts you god damn imbecile.
2013-08-04 06:30
proof pl0x
2013-08-04 06:36
Sorry but you guys are the ones who wanted to count all viewers, not my fault League of Legends viewers shits on DotA man. :/ I gave you a fair chance by counting only twitch viewers, but nope!
2013-08-04 18:51
Dude are you fucking retarded? Why would you only count twitch when 50% spectators of a dota2 game from from ingame DotaTV? You're not making much sense here so please stop your shitposting already. Noone can help when riot is busy stacking bills instead of developing there game.
2013-08-04 19:59
Okay, but then DotA dont stand a chance. Theres a long way up to 18 million viewers man, have fun with your shitty game. Hiho. Let your anger out.
2013-08-04 20:04
Don't want to answer me? LOL, you just proved how braindead you actually are. I'll always prefer playing a 'perfect' game whose devs listen to its community a develop the game accordingly instead of playing something whose developers just want to get heaps of bills. LoL's been out for 3+ years and it still doesn't have an ingame spectating feature. That just shows how 'dedicated' developers are towards the game.
2013-08-04 20:13
League of Legends dont listen to their community? You're fucking retarded if you think so. Go to their forums, they do fucking everything for their community. Valve listening to community? Yeah we see that in CSGO ;-) Stop pulling shit out of your ass and admit that LoL > DotA in any way possible. Stay mad. And what are you talking about, League of Legends HAS in-game spectating. Just goes to show how little you know about what the fuck you're talking about.
2013-08-04 20:16
"League of Legends players play on another client so people have no way to spectate the game" Your statement quoted from Just proves you're indeed a braindead person who can't keep track of things he type on forums. And CS:GO is developed by hidden path people and they're also continuously updating the game so what the fuck are you even talking about?
2013-08-04 20:48
Yes, THEY play on a different client (a client thats made for them so they have unlocked all champions, all runes, name change) and to keep it fair using a more stable (the previous patch before any huge updates) so they dont play on a client with a nerfed Ryze or something similar they're not used to. That client they are playing on the normal players dont have access to, hence why we cant spectate the game. Had they played on the original client, we could easily spectate them. But they arent. You just need to read my fucking posts like a normal human being and understand what the fuck I am talking about instead of spitting out bullshit you know nothing about. Mmkay? Playing on a different client is not = "LoLs been out for 3 years and developers havent made an ingame spectating feature herpderpherp" Hidden Path is HELPING Valve, Valve has a finger in it too. So what the fuck are you talking about? They're updating the game with updates fixing their previous update because they fucked something up. And finally, after a year, releasing the silencer for the m4 even though the community has wanted it for 2 years. Some guys made some nice movement values, and Valve wants 1 million reddit users to like their post before they implement it. The game doesnt even have 30.000 players lmao. Great job man. You're the moron here.
2013-08-04 20:55
You just proved my point of 'lazy lol developers' in your first 3 paragraphs. Basically they don't want to upgrade there system even when they know spectators (not MM players) can't access it. About your 4th paragraph, you said "Valve listening to community? Yeah we see that in CSGO ;-)" and now you've admitted they're updating the game because community is asking them to. And why would they make it more like 1.6/CS:S when they want completely different version of it? Please calm your dongers and make some sense in yout posts instead of posting just random bs.
2013-08-04 21:14
How did I prove that? How is that lazy by the developers? They could easily make them play on the original client, but they make them play on another so they have access to everything (runes, champions, name changes, and unlimited RP and IP). Also, they do it because (as I said earlier) they dont wanna force the players out in a patch they barely have played on yet and not comfortable with yet, to make it fair for all parts. How does that have anything to do with their system? I don't really give a fuck and the players have admitted its good that they do it this way. How did I admit they're updating the game? They fix bugs that they themselves caused in their previous patches (hint: fps fix), they release a new mirage that sucks (even though players dont want it), they dont wanna implement movement values even though THE COMMUNITY wants it and players are actually doing their work for them. They introduce silencer a whole year or two after the players actually wanted it even though they have had the files in their game sine beta. Do you even know what you are talking about? First you say League of Legends dont have an in-game spectator system, then you go ahead and say that CSGO is being developed by Hidden Path (yes, they work with Valve) and completely ignore the fact that Valve also are behind it? Lets just stop the discussion here because you are clearly clueless.
2013-08-04 21:56
Then why the hell you were against counting ingame spectators in the first place? Man you're literally too retarded and is not making any sense. YOU first said people cannot spectate matches in LoL so you'd only count twitch count because you think that's 'FAIR', dumbass. About CS:GO, please go and read average of 3 updates per month (Dota2 gets 1 updated/month) so please just go kill yourself with your 'They fucked earlier now they're fixing' crap. DO YOU know what you're talking about? here you said people donot have proper way of spectating LoL matches (because you've to use other client) so because of this you won't count dotatv numbers (which is primary source of specating dota matches) Please care to elaborate which part of your brain gave you this bullshit reasoning? Yea, lets just stop discussing here because you you're just going pull another random string out of your ass just to prove how best lol is and how bad is dota2.
2013-08-05 05:26
Because THEY PLAY on a DIFFERENT CLIENT. Are you even listening to what I am saying you curry smelling indian? THE GAME has A SPECTATE OPTION, but WE CANNOT SPECTATE THEM because THEY PLAY on a DIFFERENT CLIENT to have all RUNES, CHAMPS, SKINS, RP, IP, ETC AVAILABLE and to MAKE IT FAIR for all the PRO PLAYERS who are USED TO the old patch INSTEAD of making THEM PLAY on a DIFFERENT patch (CLIENT). So because they update their game 3 times a month, they listen to the community? The updates don't even include something the community has asked for and they have just released an update just to fix what they fucked up last time. They keep releasing patches and fucks something up; the fps got fucked and then a week or two later they fixed it, then they fucked something up earlier you it was literally impossible to stream and play at the same time (something wrong with the FPS too, I cannot remember), and they keep doing it. So yes, they're pretty much just fixing what the destroyed themselves. Becuase of that, yes, I wont count DotA numbers because they count both foreign streams, twitch and in-game at the same time and compare it to league of legends' twitch viewers; which then is obvious that the DotA numbers are obviously gonna be more than League of Legends (even though its still not LOL), and therefore its logical to count twitch viewers. Say you wanna count EVERYTHING (foreign streams, twitch, everything), League of Legends has still beaten the DotA numbers with such a huge amount that even the whole dota playerbase wouldn't be able to surpass it. I pretty much just wanted to give both games a fair chance but since you dota elitists are fucking retarded, you compare lols TWITCH viewers to dotas INGAME, foreign streams AND twitch viewers. Go away. Actually I dont really give a shit, its impossible to argue with you since you dont actually read my posts and post the same shit over again even though I have tried to explain it to you 4 times now. Go ahead and tell yourself that Valve listens to their community and that your precious game is huge, whatever floats your boat broseph. And you people wonder why half of the community hate indian people. You've got your answer here.
2013-08-05 21:11
Haha, now you're showing your true colors ;D
2013-08-06 06:44
2013-08-06 20:17
You're the one who's abusing nationality and i'm annihilated? lol
2013-08-06 20:45
Dude your all over this thread like icing on a Danish. If you care this much about how many viewers a game does or doesn't have or speculating how many spectators a game WILL have I shudder to think what you do when your bored.
2013-08-11 04:34
Ukraine gungrave 
proof with real numbers moron?!
2013-08-04 06:41
you probally dont know but in china and korea LoL is broadcasting on TV not only streams...
2013-08-04 13:36
So does Dota2 in China and Sweden.
2013-08-04 14:49
i know that :)
2013-08-04 15:07
Ukraine gungrave 
in china dota2 is broadcasting on TV too so?
2013-08-04 17:05
So how can regular guys as you or me proof those numbers if we cant get access to?
2013-08-04 17:21
18 million unique viewers isn't the same thing as 18 mil current viewers, lol.
2013-08-05 10:38
Thats odd, thats what it was to DotA players last year. :/
2013-08-05 21:02
How come you care so much? Did your family die in a viewers-count-competition-thingy?
2013-08-12 03:22
sweden too stronk, alliance > all
2013-08-04 03:36
Can we just enjoy the game instead of fighting over spectators? But i don't understand why the hell LoL public is in this topic? :/
2013-08-04 06:55
2013-08-04 07:16
"LoL public" here and i watched some games of International. Now, you just see a comment from a LoL player when someone from dota says anything like "gg LoL, LoL sucks, LoL blablabla" and they just replied them.
2013-08-04 15:15
because in every LoL thread Dota fanboys are trashtalking.
2013-08-04 21:07
And you people started doing the same. What's the difference between between you and them, then?
2013-08-04 21:10
There is no difference but don't look at me. I'm not part of this.
2013-08-04 22:02
Finol pause > Puppey pause! Ass they would have lost that match!
2013-08-04 07:53
ChuaN will eat him after they win the International.
2013-08-04 14:19
Alliance dominating in group stage. And very good performance by fnatic, I didn't expected them to play so good. :D
2013-08-04 08:59
Raise your Na'Vis #hype
2013-08-04 09:22
when are the next games?
2013-08-04 17:02
World breezy0 
2013-08-04 17:14
2013-08-04 17:27 lol
2013-08-04 23:51
dignitas and liquid impressive so far,I'm so sad for mouz though
2013-08-04 17:30
mouz is my compendium team gotta root for fnatic I guess
2013-08-04 20:07
rooting for dk and here :D
2013-08-05 15:02
how can you root for chinks
2013-08-05 21:18
i like chinese dota, and especially their "boring" play, they are just playing safely and their late game potential and decisions are just incredible, and DK I love because of burning :).About europeans i like fnatic and mouz but they were shit..
2013-08-06 22:55
cmo lgd =(
2013-08-04 19:34
crux : Doesnt really matter that there are more LoL viewers than dota viewers, cause everyone and their grandma knows that dota 2 is a better game lol :D
2013-08-04 21:29
I'm a LoL player, and I'm really curious about trying Dota2. Been playing a few games and watched a few streams, watching The International atm. But what makes it a better game? I really love e-sport in general, and I want to play more titles. Could you explain without using the same arguments that Dota2 is harder and LoL is len00bgame causual l0le master trole XDDDD. Thanks in advance.
2013-08-04 22:28
i'll try to get something togather
2013-08-05 00:39
Thats all the arguments they use because theres not really a valid argument so the game is actually "better". They are mad that a copy of their beloved game is 100x more sucessfull, so "they" trashtalk the entire LoL population by categorizing them as "Ones who arent good enough to play dota2", which is totally retarded but hey, its the internetz were talking, not like theres an Einstein in every corner is it.
2013-08-05 01:17
kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
2013-08-05 13:31
you seem to be really biased. did you even play dota once? in the end it's subjective to say which game is better. there will be always lolfags bashing ond dotards or hontresh. i am fucking sick of it. i dont like LoL but i still watch LCS every now and then to see how the production is etc.
2013-08-10 14:03
It's really hard to find some arguments to brings someone to switch. But i try to list some things up which makes the game so hard. laning phase: - you can lane nearly every hero on every lane, you don't have fix possitions (dual, tri, quadlane everything is possible) - deny creeps, you can deny creeps to steal the enemys xp and gold or to hold the lane on the same possition all the time - last hitting, it's much harder because you have aura/dmg buffs or additional armor spells/items which reduce the creep armor. Means it's hard to lasthit, especially under to tower, you have to know for each hero how often you have to hit a creep before you can successful lasthit it and you have random chances of dmg on some hero also. - supporters can pull/stack, means you pull ur creepwave into the jungle to deny the enemys xp and farm the jungle. It takes a long time to do it right, because it can benefit ur opponent if you do it wrong. vision: - uphill/downhill, you lose the vision if you stand on the low ground, it's nearly the same then the bush in LoL but with much more possibilities (i can't go close on that because that would need a big blogpost :D) - night/day time, the most hero lose some aoe of sight if its night, some getting additional vision. Also some heros have diffrent vision which makes ganking harder. unsorted stuff - runes, makes ur hero stronger, it can gives you two illision, double dmg, max movements speed or invisibility for 60sec - illusions, these are copys of heros which looks simular to the hero. You have more then 15 ways (heros or spells) to get illusions - backdoor protection, protects buildings for beeing backdoored (attacked without creeps) - glyph, you can make every 5 min ur buildings immortal for 5sec - buyback, you can buyback ur hero from death (but costs a ton of gold in the lategame) - jungle, is much more complex, every jungle creeps got up to 3 spells, you can also take the control of a jungle creep with hero spells or an item (they are 21? diffrent jungle creeps) - mana reg, you can't spam spells to lasthit creeps in the early stage of the game, because the mana reg is much less then in LoL i'm done now, could add much much more but these are some key things.
2013-08-05 01:25
Finland joona 
I dont know how does those things make game soo much harder than lol, but i agree that it's easier learn to play lol than dota on decent level.
2013-08-05 12:48
Yupp, I agree. I learned LoL pretty fast, but I guess it takes more time with Dota because it's more complex.
2013-08-05 16:16
kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
If you are talkin about difficult, then SC2/SC >>>> ALL SC2/SC best game ever by your logic.
2013-08-05 13:34
sc2 is may the best competitive game, but sadly not a teamgame
2013-08-05 14:08
kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
Yeah I know, I tried it once, but unfortunatelly the game requires a HUGE amount of time to play in a decent level, and I do not have this time. x)
2013-08-05 18:32
Thanks man, I really apreciate it. Amazing post, 10 internet points to you! I'm not really interested in "switching" games, but I'd like to learn how to play Dota2 so I can watch more tournaments and understand the basics more. Would be funny to play both games! Again, thank you for your great post.
2013-08-05 16:15
alliance are amazing :/
2013-08-04 21:58
Bulldog lone druid, gg go next
2013-08-04 22:02
Fuck you weaver
2013-08-04 22:31
weaver and rubick hardest heroes in dota, even outworld devourer and storm not so hard. Hope fnatic will play good vs Dk and LGD. Also what to see some action from Alliance!
2013-08-04 22:39
I dont care about DOTA.
2013-08-04 23:40
I don't care that you don't care about DOTA.
2013-08-04 23:43
2013-08-04 23:42
Most banned hero: Wisp Kappa
2013-08-05 00:18
biggest F(4)RMER
2013-08-05 00:19
Alt-tabbing and checking out HLTV while playing, can't beat B-God that way man))))
2013-08-05 00:22
biggest killer spectre ROFL
2013-08-05 10:43
Are fnatic good in Dota?
2013-08-05 00:27
everyone expected, they will be the biggest losers of ti3 but, they beat Na`Vi in first match
2013-08-05 00:39
what about dignitas?
2013-08-06 08:50
They're average, they were beasts in HoN so they have potential.
2013-08-05 00:43
average? i think you can say they are on highlevel now and beating Na`Vi 2:0 in the prelims speaks for itself. They improved a lot and impressed everyone with their performance this ti3 even though i would ve liked to see them going top4. bootcamping for 2 months and keeping the same lineup for a good amount of time paid off. #hontresh#best#tresh
2013-08-10 14:07
This was before TI3, and I would say they were average amongst the top teams.
2013-08-10 14:17
tie with Zenith and win vs mouz 2-0 In the begining of the year fnatic dota was very strong they won thor open over nth ( alliance ) and top3 DH winter
2013-08-05 10:45
2013-08-05 10:46
2013-08-06 07:55
I don't think I've ever spent 13 straight hours following an eSports tournament RIP sleep schedule ;_;
2013-08-05 10:18
:) i watched mathes from 19 CEST to 5 CEST :D
2013-08-05 10:46
I know what are you talking about, I was that tired to even cant remember which match I was looking :D
2013-08-06 22:56
Alliance is awesome.And it's time to wake up now ,Chinese teams.
2013-08-05 11:09
epic sad he couldn't place wall there :D
2013-08-05 13:16
it was ti3?
2013-08-05 13:35
2013-08-05 13:51
2013-08-05 14:14
omg fluff :D i knew NA teams gonna do well at home, nice that valve didnt invite EG they would fail hard like MUFC imo
2013-08-05 15:29
Seattle wouldn't be able to handle the amount of throws.
2013-08-06 07:50
2013-08-06 11:58
2013-08-05 18:43
whats the prize pool?
2013-08-05 21:04
Sunde | 
World sfu 
1st - $1,412,553 USD 2nd - $621,523 USD 3rd - $282,511 USD 4th - $197,757 USD 5th - $113,004 USD 6th - $113,004 USD 7th - $42,377 USD 8th - $42,377 USD
2013-08-05 21:14
2013-08-05 21:25
Brazil Collee 
Nice 8th dota2 team earns the same as if it were top team in CS GO
2013-08-05 22:21
Same ? I dont think so. Much lower I guess.
2013-08-06 08:19
afaik there were no csgo tournament even with a 40k payout for a 1st place. so yeah, they do earn more :D
2013-08-06 08:54
It's pretty much the prize pot of the biggest CS:GO tournament we've had so far(?)
2013-08-06 10:44
ez prizepool easy life ;p
2013-08-06 15:02
yes, but here 8th team earns twice as much as the first team in that cs:go tournament :)
2013-08-08 09:20
Replied to the wrong person :P
2013-08-06 13:59
2013-08-05 22:14
aliance roshan bait the best play so far =)))
2013-08-05 22:27
+1 smart play
2013-08-06 14:32
2013-08-06 14:58
ITT: Butthurt LoL fans.
2013-08-05 22:43
Is there some coverage site for dota2? similar to
2013-08-06 08:41
Sunde | 
World sfu
2013-08-06 09:19
if you want to see stats fro matches
2013-08-06 10:37
thanks you two. also found this site
2013-08-06 12:54 probably my favourite site to browse for dota2 coverage :3
2013-08-06 14:56
Alliance is the best in the world ?
2013-08-06 15:30
It's the most consistence team, that's for sure.
2013-08-06 16:12
reddit is also good
2013-08-06 20:18
2013-08-07 20:35 anyone knows in which countries it will be broadcasted on tv?
2013-08-07 20:39
Czech Republic PFP 
Sweden, China
2013-08-07 20:40
Ukraine Maximka 
2013-08-07 20:48
Alliance FTW !!!!!
2013-08-07 20:41
fucking nice !! good job from valve its like World Championship or even bigger and better
2013-08-07 21:07 live from Benaroya Hall
2013-08-07 21:09
2013-08-07 21:10
This girl wearing her clothes and then I see her shoes. Facepalm.
2013-08-07 21:11 And match didn't even started yet =O
2013-08-07 21:19
"Can we just enjoy the game instead of fighting over spectators?" Seriously?
2013-08-07 22:50
Since when posting viewer count became fighting? I'm not bitching about dota2>lol or anything?
2013-08-08 04:45
Its an initiation, And since when is posting viewer count became enjoying the game?
2013-08-08 09:05
you're right. sorry, my bad
2013-08-08 14:30
2013-08-07 22:17
it was 340k
2013-08-07 22:38
World breezy0 
315k at twitch + 203k ingame.
2013-08-07 22:48
it was 340 at twitch at some moment, and almost 200k at chinese strems
2013-08-07 23:03
World breezy0 
the grand final will easily have above 1 million people watching.
2013-08-07 23:07
hope so, it will be awesome :D
2013-08-08 01:11
Dat fucking arrow escape
2013-08-07 22:42
2013-08-07 22:46
2013-08-07 22:48
could you please fuck off with that moba shit
2013-08-07 23:03
no comment dendi/xboct completely destroyed them in 2nd match
2013-08-07 23:41
funn1k mvp
2013-08-07 23:52
imba combo
2013-08-07 23:55
So gay.. gay gay combo.
2013-08-08 00:03
dendi + funn1k
2013-08-07 23:58
i think you didnt notice xbo how he managed to go over them in base together with dendi...+ that teamplay with soo many assists
2013-08-08 00:42
xbo is an awful carry compared to the rest top players...
2013-08-08 00:48
2013-08-07 23:58
How often does she want to say that she has no clue about DotA?
2013-08-08 00:40
Brazil dkf 
This 3rd match was just amazing.
2013-08-08 00:42
2013-08-08 00:44
damn that dendi's puck.. orange are just raped.
2013-08-08 00:47
2013-08-08 00:49
noo, xboct likes to troll and tries to be funny. He's not like cen9
2013-08-08 01:57
2013-08-08 01:07
720k viewers in NaVi x orange =))
2013-08-08 01:12
Ukraine gungrave 
u know link on chinese streams?
2013-08-08 02:46
yes, its here
2013-08-08 08:39
goooo fnatic
2013-08-08 02:16
2013-08-08 10:16
magic sucks
2013-08-11 15:19
i thought fnatic will take their second game vs tongfu, they had a very nice start but... :<
2013-08-08 10:23
2013-08-10 04:17
Ukraine gungrave 
2013-08-10 04:26
2013-08-10 04:27
DENDI FOUNTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2013-08-10 04:30
haha that shit was epic even thought if navi wouldnt troll that 2nd game im quite sure it would have been 2-0
2013-08-10 04:34
fanboy detected
2013-08-10 04:37
hahaha xD look at your name 1st . And im not a fanboy but that shit was so obvious !
2013-08-10 04:39
Actually I'm not a fan of Na`Vi nor XBOCT, I just picked the name because I liked it :) The only player I really praise and grew up watching is Assassin Russia Society ;) But really, trolling when almost 300k dollars is on stake? That's not a mentality of a professional team.
2013-08-10 04:44
not the mentality yet they can do it cause they are able to comeback. and they completely destroyed tongfu with those aimbat hooks :D as usual navi instead of winning 2-0 in the start they lose 2nd and win 3rd.
2013-08-10 04:53
aimbat ?He missed quite a lot actually. He actually played poorly compared to game 1.
2013-08-10 04:59
he played good, missing a lot, but right hooks at right time.
2013-08-10 14:34
dat hooks...
2013-08-10 04:47
Btw epic game, I almost closed the stream and went to bed and just at that moment they fountain hooked Gyro and I regained hope... best series so far IMO
2013-08-10 04:47
to me navi are the best, cuz they don't always take the same heroes, and have a very various playstyle (not a single team nowadays play pudge, bleek's team used to back in the days, but no one anymore)
2013-08-10 04:58
it can go either way between Na`Vi and Alliance this year. Excited upcoming matches but even more for the documentary and hoping for a 3:2 in the grand finale!
2013-08-10 14:12
As many games as possible :D
2013-08-10 14:49
fucking dendi express turned the game around
2013-08-10 05:27
Czech Republic PFP 
best e-sport event of the year insane games !
2013-08-10 14:12
epic dendi fountain hooks
2013-08-10 15:09
for anyone who missed fountain hooks fountain hooks everywhere ;) was like laughing tears when i saw that hook on the guy who just go aegis haha
2013-08-10 15:21
2013-08-11 03:16
unm[A]tched in-game decision making, easy rares, easy life.
2013-08-11 03:19
2013-08-11 03:34
absolutely disgusted by alliances naga strats
2013-08-11 03:37
Anything that is in the game is justified, another good example is the Pudge+Chen hook combo.
2013-08-11 03:39
chen+pudge requires coordination and a player to actually hit a hook. naga sleep doesnt require anything. just press ulti, max channel alch stun + illuminate and you got the fight. if your enemies group up in the rosh pit you get an easy multi stun + free aegis. good old ti2 times when the crowd would boo that garbage
2013-08-11 03:44
I was referring to the fact that both are somewhat annoying, something that we just have to deal with.
2013-08-11 04:24
fountain hooks are atleast entertaining to watch
2013-08-11 04:37
Not for the opposing team though :D
2013-08-11 05:24
yee is like wehn makkeloff use da aWp in Cs 1.6 is 2 good so must be ban
2013-08-11 03:54
nice argument really convinced me there son
2013-08-11 03:56
It's a dumb comment (from you) since moba is pretty much all about finding that tiny bit superior combo or usage of a hero in the higher tiers where everyone is so damn skilled. Every single top team has done it. Just look at Pudge + Chen combo or years back when the chinese team always played four for one.
2013-08-11 04:02
could have stopped reading when you wrote moba. that naga cheese is pretty much all that won alliance the game in the rosh pit. and by the way most the chinese still play 4 protect 1 most of the time and so does alliance
2013-08-11 04:07
I know that feel bro
2013-08-11 07:17
2013-08-11 12:42
thats dota2 game that you like. i have nothing against dota2 but if thats in the game you wouldnt use it to win 1mio? get serious, navi know this can happen and they still let them do that so its their own fault
2013-08-11 15:07
Ukraine gungrave 
ppy 2 times fail picks... dendi on supports - DONT WORK
2013-08-11 03:41
ppy will figure out the picks for tomorrow
2013-08-11 03:45
fail at roshan fight, picks were decent, not awesome, but could have won with this line up. Do you know when the grand final will be played ?
2013-08-11 03:45
dont know the exact times but should be monday morning like last year
2013-08-11 03:49
Ukraine gungrave 
21-00 CET i think
2013-08-11 03:49
the consolidation finals wills be played before the grands so i doubt they will be that early. probably 21 cet for the consolidation finals and then grand finals 3 hours later + some break for the players.
2013-08-11 03:55
Ukraine gungrave 
my bad i read losers final not grand final =)
2013-08-11 04:00
so it won't be played this night ?
2013-08-11 04:12
tongfu vs orange is the last series for tonight. consolidation finals and the bo5 grand finals afterwards will be played tomorrow.
2013-08-11 04:15
Okay thank you, I can now sleep :)
2013-08-11 04:15
dendi support? :D srsly?
2013-08-11 14:08
He wasn't really support, but he was playing tidehunter middle, to get fast levels and items.
2013-08-11 17:49
ya i know, but tide is tank not supporrt :)
2013-08-11 20:20
he is tanky, but you can also play him as a support, works either ways :)
2013-08-11 20:31
ye =)
2013-08-12 00:37
lol Pick was pretty nice , they lost coz Alliance Do 0 Mistakes and thats amazing coz I have never seen such a team before but na`vi had some micro fails that pretty much lost them the game . Alliance was reading Na`Vi very well. The only way to beat Alliance is check Mouz games against them coz somehow they won a lot of games against Alliance .
2013-08-11 15:21
Both games are just for ppl that suck at fps
2013-08-11 03:58
ROFL, shittest argument I've ever seen, because anyone could say the opposite.
2013-08-11 03:59
kornmossis #ROADTOTI4
2013-08-11 04:25
Orange going HAM
2013-08-11 06:32
Malaysian pride right there
2013-08-11 13:21
everybody has to love orange for their playstyle
2013-08-11 14:56
Was kinda surprised by their performance tho, didn't expect them to beat both DK & TongFu. Great draft = GG. And they could go all the way here at least to Grand Finals.. hopefully! Absolutely sick play
2013-08-11 16:08
magnus RP in rosh pit and at top was just so sick
2013-08-11 17:29
At top lane credit must be given to Bane tho :D Still sick RP!
2013-08-11 17:45
ye was good play from him not getting caught in the black hole but the RP's just won them the game
2013-08-11 17:55
2013-08-11 18:15
Czech Republic PFP 
People in malaysian know about dota 2 and orange ?
2013-08-11 15:01
2013-08-11 15:56
you are special arent you ?
2013-08-11 16:19
they are busy with allahu ahkbar
2013-08-11 17:57
2013-08-11 15:56
Alliance just amazing TEAM!
2013-08-11 15:24
LoL sucks DotA2 ftw game for real mans and LoL game for real gays and Lesbians :D
2013-08-11 15:53
just trollin' relax :D
2013-08-11 17:24
Alliance are really good, but I wish they play different heroes for once, I mean it is usually the same combo every match (at least the important one) - naga, alchemist, chen + mid + solo, pretty boring too watch to be fair.
2013-08-11 17:00
But this is not about your fun. They want to win and when this combo is good so why don't use it ? :)
2013-08-11 17:23
People insulted Chelsea and many other football teams because of this, I understand their choice, but still, doesn't change the fact that I won't cheer for them since, they're all quite boring, contrary to navi.
2013-08-11 17:58
rofl you can't compare chelsea to alliance. Chinese doto = chelsea. Alliance played very passive yesterday against Na'Vi because they would lose teamfight without BKB against tidehunter etc. To go in there without bkb would be straight away SUICIDE. Alliance were smart enough to not defend towers etc
2013-08-11 18:03
rat doto = alliance, which isn't that far to chinese playstyle, and btw, only iG plays that style nowadays, along with TF sometimes. " Alliance were smart enough to not defend towers etc " I'm not talking about that game in particular, and btw, they also had puck to silence tidehunter and many other ways to counter his ult, so they could go in eventually, but they pussied out.
2013-08-11 18:12
Yeah they should use heroes that makes the game fun to watch instead of focusing on winning 1.4m $
2013-08-11 17:31
pff they can be creative aswell, their roshan baits etc
2013-08-11 18:00
I cant explain how much I hate admiralbulldog! Go mushi, never give up !: D
2013-08-11 17:33
he can only play 2 heroes, nice guy IRL though even ingame (played several times with him in PUBs) but in official matches, damn...
2013-08-11 18:00
plz he won as a roaming bounty hunter aswell
2013-08-11 18:01
So basically, in your opinion, as Alliance won pretty much all their games, AB was playing out of his mind with every hero he played so far ?The answer is no, as any dota player would know that his gondar isn't awesome at all. If you remember that 1st game of the groupstages against TF, he sucked big time, feeding the team multiple times, fortunately for them, s4 can actually win the mid.
2013-08-11 18:16
go go NA`VI
2013-08-11 17:37
2013-08-11 17:46
cant wait for the finals Alliance <3
2013-08-11 20:24
All I got from this thread is that dota2 championship is on, and crux_ is really mad about it
2013-08-11 21:08
2013-08-11 23:14
Ukraine gungrave 
360k only on twitch =) not bad
2013-08-11 23:10
380k =)
2013-08-11 23:41
Ukraine gungrave 
422k =)
2013-08-12 00:34
GO ORANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
2013-08-11 23:35
Ukraine gungrave 
NaVi NaVi NaVi NaVi NaVi NaVi NaVi NaVi NaVi NaVi
2013-08-12 00:25
2013-08-12 00:25
2013-08-12 00:26
2013-08-12 00:27
420k viewers
2013-08-12 00:29
Brazil dkf 
What a game!
2013-08-12 00:29
420k twitch + 240k dotaTV + 90k chinese streams 750k viewers NaVi vs Orange match again surpassing the 700k viewers :D
2013-08-12 00:33
you're forgetting that the dota2 international is currently on tv in sweden and korea/china (don't remember wich country):)
2013-08-12 00:48
2013-08-12 00:33
mushi kyxy and ohayio so good =((((
2013-08-12 00:36
Zeus | 
Other Chuckeee 
What a match1! :DD
2013-08-12 00:40
that was an insane comeback from navi
2013-08-12 00:42
:( That aegis deny ..
2013-08-12 00:45
Zeus | 
Other Chuckeee 
Haha that was hella funny :D
2013-08-12 00:56
Shit happens.
2013-08-12 00:57
and Mushi forcestaffed himself to the lifestealer and after that 2-3 times more
2013-08-12 13:43
He had to hex naix before they start a fight I guess that's why..
2013-08-12 16:03
epic comeback!!
2013-08-12 00:47
That's why i love Dota .... Navi would have NEVER EVER managed to comeback, if that was LoL. Dota2 <3
2013-08-12 00:51
2013-08-12 01:35
2013-08-12 01:38
No advantage for Alliance? Wtf
2013-08-12 01:44
i think its better for the fans,probably more matches incoming :D
2013-08-12 01:45
Then whats the point of double elimination format haha xD
2013-08-12 01:46
Means that even if you have one bad series you still have a chance :) Orange was really close on beating NaVi.
2013-08-12 01:54
Mmmm.. still bad for Alliance tho but it's alright. Well if it wasn't because of the Aegis deny. I think they would've beat Na`Vi. :(( Either way, they played so well in TI3, so proud of them.
2013-08-12 01:57
same in every other international, understandable.
2013-08-12 03:01
Brazil dkf 
460k on twitch and going up
2013-08-12 01:48
Alliance 3-0 easy!
2013-08-12 01:55
Ukraine gungrave 
482k on twith
2013-08-12 01:59
486k twitch + 215k dota TV + 105k fengyunzhibo (chinese streams) 806k concurrent viewers
2013-08-12 02:16
Swedish TV6 starts broadcasting on Swedish Television in 40 minutes too! :)
2013-08-12 02:20
i would love to watch, just for curiosity, but seems like foreginers cant watch ;/
2013-08-12 02:21
Dota is so boring to watch lol
2013-08-12 02:18
and what's interesting ? cs:go ? :DDDDDDDD
2013-08-12 02:23
you made acc to HLTV for cheering Dota2, damn
2013-08-22 03:18
made it for cs 1.6 tbfh :)
2013-08-22 13:13
with these games it's boring ?You don't understand shit about dota
2013-08-12 03:01
laning/farming phase is indeed boring, late game is the most exciting to watch
2013-08-12 18:44
16 min gg haha
2013-08-12 02:24
Zeus | 
Other Chuckeee 
Yeah, that was so unexpected. It's like watching NiP's early dominance.
2013-08-12 02:26
NaVI gone for an really greedy line up, this couldve been destroyed [A] in the early game, or could just end terrible for them. and sadly for NaVi thats what happened hahahahha
2013-08-12 02:31
stomp in game 2 :P
2013-08-12 03:00
who r winning ? and what score ?
2013-08-12 02:33
Alliance won game 1, and its a bo5 final. [A] 1 x 0 Na`Vi
2013-08-12 02:35
holy shit i have no idea whats going on ;o time to play some dota
2013-08-12 02:33
Call gg already.... getting stomped like that 20 - 4, 0 towers destroyed, 0 blackholes used, these guys like to be embarrased lol
2013-08-12 03:04
Winning 1.4 million is really embarrasing
2013-08-12 13:32
I was talking of game 2, your argument is invalid
2013-08-12 18:26
Do you really think getting stomped one game is embarrassing when competing about 1.4m, and is already up one game, where they outplayed navi.
2013-08-12 18:51
they outplayed navi in game 1 and game 4. I was joking obviously, but in the end, why would they keep playing a lost game, when they could prepare faster for the next game.
2013-08-12 19:08
Because its a lot at stake, they really wanted to try despite being so far behind.
2013-08-12 19:13
2013-08-12 03:11
Brazil dkf 
2013-08-12 06:19
2013-08-12 03:12
LOL @ that Orge
2013-08-12 03:21
What is this :D
2013-08-12 03:22
.GIF That orges !! ;D
2013-08-12 03:23
ogre magi hahahahahaha
2013-08-12 03:25
what a game
2013-08-12 04:12
I dont know shit about DOTA, but still i enjoyed game-3 Navi vs Alliance :D
2013-08-12 04:15
i like ur nickname
2013-08-12 05:21
2013-08-12 06:13
What a throw, also Mirana didn't really do shit.
2013-08-12 04:15
it wasn't really a throw, game 2 was a throw
2013-08-12 04:19
How was it a throw? Alliance was royally behind all the time.
2013-08-12 04:21
a throw is when you actually have the advantage, and basically lose it by big mistakes.
2013-08-12 06:19
Thanks for repeating my point.
2013-08-12 06:29
the game with mirana isn't a throw, as they didn't have the advantage anyway, so no, I didn't repeat anything, there was no throw.
2013-08-12 18:28
Yes you did. #688 claimed that game 2 was a throw, which was a complete stomp. In game 3 Alliance was ahead of Na`Vi with almost 10k experience, several kills and with a slight gold advantage. Admiral's bear was getting huge and Loda finally got his items after winning several team fights. They initiated retarded clashes afterwards which cost them the game.
2013-08-12 18:59
"In game 3 Alliance was ahead of Na`Vi with almost 10k experience" Go on Joindota and please look at the recap. #688 is a polish guy named yogurt, so no, I never said game 2 was a throw, but what is annoying me, is that you keep going without even checking who replied to you.
2013-08-12 19:07 You are very welcome! I am very well aware that #688 is a polish game named yogurt, I have no idea why you're even stating this. I also never claimed that YOU were the one who said the game was a throw. I do know what a throw is, I corrected yogurt's statement of said game being a throw since Alliance were brutally raped throughout the entire game. Your comment would've actually made sense if it was directed towards #688, since he obviously has the wrong idea about what a throw is.
2013-08-12 19:17
they threw it in the pick phase
2013-08-12 13:16
Doesn't really count as a throw since there wasn't a lead to begin with. I do agree though that some of their picks were questionable.
2013-08-12 14:12
I don't even play dota, but gotta watch it, this is fun.
2013-08-12 05:27
russian stream is the best one
2013-08-12 05:40
this last game omg GO [A]
2013-08-12 05:51
Zeus | 
Other Chuckeee 
2013-08-12 06:11
2013-08-12 06:12
Zeus | 
Other Chuckeee 
2013-08-12 06:12
gg swedish noobs , doing shit from behind cause face to face they're shit.
2013-08-12 06:13
one playstyle, they can't even kill 1v4 early game
2013-08-12 06:17
Theres no point in stating..!! I have more no of different play styles than the other guy !! But still cant get the job done !! I agree [A]dmiral spammed np!!
2013-08-12 13:12
2013-08-12 06:21
They made it because navi sucks. Remember Dignitas-Navi on DH? Btw,if you didn't know,the game is about destroying throne, not killing more.
2013-08-12 07:09
2013-08-12 08:27
Haters !!!!!!!
2013-08-12 12:55
Just remember .. Pudge+Chen Fountain Hook...
2013-08-12 15:53
2013-08-12 06:13
2013-08-12 06:14
not really insane, the begining was very unusual, but split pushing isn't hard.
2013-08-12 06:18
How does it matter if its easy to split push? Still an insane ending of a bo5.
2013-08-12 13:28
not insane, lgd vs alliance trade base was insane, I guess you didn't watch a lot of dota
2013-08-12 18:26
I guess you didn't watch this game.
2013-08-12 18:49
+1 hahahaha
2013-08-12 06:18
2013-08-12 06:34
obviously alliance werent gonna win it in a proper game gg
2013-08-12 06:14
can't understand how people like to see them play, it's just too ugly
2013-08-12 06:18
indeed , so shitty playstyle
2013-08-12 06:22
Oh poor thing, run to mommy so u can cry out
2013-08-12 08:36
oke , going to do it right now!
2013-08-12 11:58
Haha whyyy? They baited out Dendi and Puppey to rosh and s4 completely owned both of them :D
2013-08-12 16:18
It's a strategic part of the game, just like the Chen+Pudge combo. It's a bit cheap but it works and is allowed. If you don't want to play against something, you ban it. Simple as that. Stop being so butthurt, they outsmarted them and won the game. Go and watch something else if you want to watch a game solely for the kills.
2013-08-12 07:26
was really stupid to let them push that far;they were more focused on their push and I guess they underestimated prophet. navi made 1 mistake and it cost them the game,really gay but part of the game.
2013-08-12 07:38
S4 fucking wins the game. What a fucking boss. Navi would have tped,killed CK and furi and save 2 sides. The guy fucking wins the game. He also canceled tp for TA and enigma in the end.
2013-08-12 07:50
2013-08-12 08:31
Why wasn't this a proper win?
2013-08-12 11:25
they might dont play the most exciting dota compared to other teams but dota is not only about getting kills. its about killing the throne, and thats what matter.
2013-08-12 12:34
Brazil dkf 
WHAT UP NOW SWEE-- wait, what?
2013-08-12 06:16
Had no fucking clue what was going on, but I'm still left with goosebumps! Holy crap, what a bo5, I'm stunned!
2013-08-12 06:19
Lmao +1
2013-08-12 06:20
Hail Sweden eh?
2013-08-12 06:19
suNny | 
Argentina Sunnie 
2013-08-12 06:26
2013-08-12 06:34
wish I could experience same excitement in csgo
2013-08-12 06:35
that last game was insane. gz [A] hope we'll get soon same emotions in cs again!!
2013-08-12 06:37
DOTA-2 >>>>>>>>>>> CS:GO I have never played this game ever, but holy shit it was so awesome to watch. Reminded me of 1.6 days! <3
2013-08-12 06:38
2013-08-12 06:42
GG grats alliance
2013-08-12 06:42
Xizt | 
Bulgaria HellRose 
SO [A]WESOME :) s4 [A]mazing
2013-08-12 06:47
Alliance win it
2013-08-12 07:12
Crux_ this is for you 1 MILLION concurrent viewers, not counting TV's and highwind now tell me,how can a game that has 4x more players than DotA barely exceeds it in the viewers numbers? casual game huh
2013-08-12 07:12
Crux is missing..He will come up with same agrument of only nos.... more spam than Admirals Np :]
2013-08-12 12:50
if they win, why change?...FUCKING LOOSERS
2013-08-12 13:48
2013-08-12 14:33
and? record still being with LoL and WC S3 of LoL are coming i think a new record will be breaked
2013-08-14 14:42
lol had 1.1 million at season 2? lol The International 3 came roughly 100,000 viewers short of tying the all-time eSports record set by Riot's League Championship Series Season 2 finals with 1.1 million. and that was a year ago, lol is MUCH bigger now.. also: whats there to be happy about when nobody cares for the game after the 3 million event (biggest prize pool in history)? hahaha, you dota fans are so hilarious xD
2013-08-14 14:57
what an incredible tournament geez watched every game today,navi is really impressive despite the stupid loss.
2013-08-12 07:39
I love all butthurt noobs whining over backdoor haha really? Alliance!
2013-08-12 08:33
<3 allliance awesome game !!
2013-08-12 09:28
So amazing I can't make up anything useful to write!
2013-08-12 09:46
swedish they are pro all games :P conratzzzzz :)
2013-08-12 10:48
What an amazing event, another reason CSGO would never achieve these heights. I don't really play DotA but find the game itself, and the commentators really exciting to watch. I can't watch a stream of CSGO for more than 20 minutes or so.
2013-08-12 11:28
aand you had to bring cs:go on this thread
2013-08-12 13:05
Well 1.6 also never achieved these heights. And wont even have a chance to do in future.
2013-08-12 15:06
atleast it achieved a hell of a lot more than sAucE xD.
2013-08-12 15:54
They were actually pretty equal once sauce grew big (dont get me wrong, i hate cs sauce)
2013-08-12 18:57
hahah the butthurt, 1.6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GO
2013-08-12 20:43
who cares. 1.6 ded csgo not, its all what matters right now.
2013-08-12 20:45
CSGO cant be dead cuz it hasn't been alive.
2013-08-12 20:56
i see how alive is 1.6 with all those events.
2013-08-12 21:11
I see how 80s console games get more sream viewers than GO
2013-08-12 21:15
Who said it did or would?
2013-08-12 22:21
Never ?? And that's just ONE single action in ONE round.
2013-08-14 15:09
and i could not watch the last game cuz i had to go to work _! FUCK THIS SHEEET
2013-08-12 13:14
i knew that Alliance will win ... they looked so strong during whole tournament ... deserved win even in decieder na'vi looked stronger comparing to [A]
2013-08-12 13:39
2013-08-12 13:47
Sick finals, both teams are godlike, great tournament overall, best tournament i've ever watched (great casters, great statistic, great teams, insane crowd), overall perfect game and tournament. Gratz Alliance !
2013-08-12 13:52
best finals ever :D rat doto best doto
2013-08-12 15:46
you sure have watched a lot of dota..
2013-08-12 18:31
energy mad cuz rat doto > navi
2013-08-12 20:10
repeat after fools
2013-08-14 14:06
Na'Vi and IG will most probably disband!!
2013-08-12 18:51
navi won't disband but make changes as xboct said, iG will stick together I think
2013-08-12 19:15 will disband for sure
2013-08-12 20:09
oh, yeah maybe them aswell, didn't think of every other teams :D
2013-08-12 20:40
lol why would they make changes if they're top2 IT3? xboct was trolling probably
2013-08-12 20:43
Where did he say this? They were so close though, is a roster change really necessary? :/
2013-08-12 20:44
xboct's vk page, it seems pretty serious, I know xboct is a troll, but he seems really pissed :/
2013-08-12 21:03
Could you provide me with a link? I can't seem to find it. nvm, found an article on gosugamers.
2013-08-12 21:20
iG will kick Zhou as far as i know.
2013-08-14 15:16
LOL, really ?Where did you see that ? :D
2013-08-14 15:20
i'm sure that one of the streamers said that. Let's wait. If Zhou gets kicked, i think he will go to DK (cuz Burning retired from gamin).
2013-08-14 15:41
burning decided to stay
2013-08-14 16:13
rly? that's awesome tbh, he is one of my favourite players :)
2013-08-14 16:36
WHAT UP NOW SWEEDES?! Ohh wait... Epic final!
2013-08-12 19:08
Ukraine potapUA 
Maybe natus vincere problem is theyre fuckin changing line up everyday.
2013-08-12 19:49
2013-08-12 20:14
Ukraine gungrave only 1 million viewers :\
2013-08-12 20:30
if a chinese team was in final, there would be even more viewers on chinese streams
2013-08-12 22:28
Ukraine gungrave 
no i think its just bad\not main stream platform for them. like ustream for us
2013-08-12 23:48
Well, the stream was very good when I watched the chinese stream
2013-08-12 23:56
when will the documentary be released?
2013-08-14 14:50
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