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13' kid holding plastic ak47 killed by police
Poland Baaq 
bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24648974 Im so pissed off. What do you think about it?
2013-10-24 14:44
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Netherlands r3vqu 
Welcome to America...
2013-10-24 14:44
*Welcome to california... fixed that for you.
2013-10-24 21:57
Commiefornian here. Yeah apparently the kid had a Airsoft AK-47, in the pic I can't see an orange tip, but even so, I bet you anything the cops saw a banana magazine, and immediately felt as though they were on the shooting range and just lit the kid up (3 shots is bullshit, Californian cops have a reputation of spraying and praying, which is an understatement for 100+ shots, and not even hitting someone a single freaking time). From what I HEARD (not what I've researched) the kid made no gesture to shoot the police, or anybody, they just got out of the squad car and opened up on him.
2013-10-24 22:35
THIS. Californian policemen have a reputation for being unprepared and extremely trigger-happy
2013-10-24 23:41
fuckin hollywood man ppl watch too many movies
2013-10-25 15:47
His own fault.
2013-10-24 14:46
Are you serious? He's fucking 13
2013-10-24 14:47
And he was walking around in public with a replica AK47 and a replica pistol in his trousers days after a 12 year old shot his teacher and ofc after all the mass shootings in America this year. What do you expect the police to do?
2013-10-24 14:48
They should've at least warn him, Don't you think?
2013-10-24 14:50
"The deputies called for backup and repeatedly ordered the boy to drop the gun"
2013-10-24 14:54
And you think every 13 years old knows what happened yesterday in world?
2013-10-24 15:24
in the world? no. In their own country, yes.
2013-10-24 15:28
Their country isnt that small bro
2013-10-24 15:30
Do you understand the difference between the following news items: "potato grown in alabama surpasses 10foot in diameter" and "Child, 12, shoots and kills his school teacher" ? Which do you think would be headline news which everyone will know about?
2013-10-24 15:45
never go....
2013-10-24 15:50
says the guy who thinks a 13 year old won't hear about mass shootings on students/teachers in their own country because it "isn't that small". lol.
2013-10-24 16:01
letibe is obviously retarded dont bother replying to his posts amigo. I agree with you. From the info media has provided so far, the mistake seems to be primarily on the kid, but also, of course, on the police, since the gun turned out to be a fake.
2013-10-24 17:57
totally agree with you
2013-10-24 19:57
have to agree with you.its sad but you are right in everything in my opinion
2013-10-25 15:04
obviously potato news are more important cuz u can feed a planet with a 10 foot in diameter potato, who cares about couple innocent people killed, gosh man turn your brain atleast sometimes...
2013-10-24 23:33
ah It makes sense man, I like your point of view. Ireland and Ukraine should unite to create a 20foot diameter potato to show our love for them
2013-10-24 23:34
im rly glad that we have come to a such agreement. *handshake*
2013-10-24 23:40
Yeah, it would be nice if Ireland would do that in 1850.
2013-10-25 15:25
Complete bullshit. When I was thirteen I was learning the news from my comrades at school. And before you ask, yes, no TV no radio no newspapers, yes, it exists, yes there are still kids like that today. What happens if they don't tell me about this shooting ? I simply die because of that ? If I had a replica and decided to take a walk with it during holidays, I should have been shot as well ? No, the police officers in duty that day were simply incompetent. They were not confident enough in their ability to outfast and outaim a kid, so they decided to shoot. You really think that a thirteen year old boy has to care about news ? What matters at that age is if he's going to have a console for his birthday, if that two years older girl with big breasts like him, or how awesome he'll be when he'll grow up. News are some random information being remotely interesting from time to time.
2013-10-24 20:46
uhm, you do know kids have parents? Regardless of what you just said, their parents will know about these news and would have not allowed him to go outside with 2 replica weapons.
2013-10-24 21:56
Parents are not that infallible. Sure in most cases parents will know about it. Sure in most cases they will warn their kids or prevent their kids from doing stupid things. In most cases. For the rest of these cases, police officers must be there. Not to shoot the kids, but to reason with them. The news says that the kid had the ak in a single hand. which means that he wouldn't have been able to shoot straight away, or if he would, not accurately at all, and the chances are that the recoil would have sent the weapon flying out of his hand. It's not like these guys were facing a seasoned war veteran going mad because of drugs or whatever. I honestly blame the police officers at 90% for this kind of scenario. The rest of the blame goes to the parents and a very small part to the kid.
2013-10-25 08:57
Agreed, news come and go, the day after its just another story now days, plus you can tell by his Last Name that he wasn't fully american, those cops are so freaking incompetent, they could have shot him at the legs atleast, we need to realize something allthough, the kid didn't looked that young, plus his lets say "Latin" look is not good seeing in America, but still. ---One man who saw the events unfold said the shooting was over in an instant. "He pulled over to the kid walking and he just opened the door and shot him, three shots," Ismael Mondragon told KGO-TV.
2013-10-25 21:03
I'd suck your dick if a 13 year old knows who our Secretary of State is. 13 year olds are not as informed as you may think they are, in the US at least.
2013-10-24 22:40
i don't watch the news in my country because i feel it's biased... i didn't know about the day before until after i heard of this
2013-10-25 15:51
The witnesses deny that happened, and who the fuck calls for backup when there is a 13year old holding an AK? The problem could have not been from the police, but the rules in the US who allow people to have guns and allow selling guns. look at canada/uk and compare them to the us in terms of school shooting .. etc
2013-10-24 15:27
Do you have any idea of how powerful an AK47 is?
2013-10-24 16:03
You can buy guns in Canada like you can in the US.
2013-10-24 19:57
#11
Poland Baaq 
They actually say they did but still if i would be policeman i would just wait for kid to react. If kid wasnt aiming at them then wtf.
2013-10-24 14:54
The police shouted to drop the weapon and the kid didn't. It was 100% his own fault
2013-10-24 15:03
They did. Read the fucking article.
2013-10-24 16:28
You know there are terrorists who send kids to kill policemen.
2013-10-24 18:09
hm can i have some of them?
2013-10-24 23:35
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Norway Doge 
His own fault.
2013-10-24 15:05
retard.
2013-10-24 19:45
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up 
Even though your comments are usually fucking retarded, I completely agree with you for once. +1
2013-10-24 22:54
+1...
2013-10-24 22:56
I agree he refused to drop the ak? Did he want to die or something what an idiot.
2013-10-25 16:48
I agree, at least now SOME bad genes still go out of the pool. Also his dad or whatever is a complete moron for getting him a toy that is, appearance wise, an exact replica of an AK47. He should be castrated too.
2013-10-25 18:08
why exactly are u pissed off ?
2013-10-24 14:46
#5
Poland Baaq 
Because they shot kid probably dont giving him enough time to react
2013-10-24 14:47
#30
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Netherlands liQuidmoTion 
Those are assumptions
2013-10-24 15:25
they told him to drop the weapon and he refused, where is the problem? what if he would have killed the cops? then everyone would say "omg fucking police idiots, should have shot him already"
2013-10-24 15:38
#63
Poland Baaq 
maybe he was scared or stupid or whatever. Still if he wasnt aiming with this gun or anything then its weird for me that they were shooting
2013-10-24 16:18
"He was holding the weapon in his left hand. He began to turn toward his right in the direction of the deputy" Hes aiming at them. instead of dropping it. bad move.
2013-10-24 16:25
#75
Poland Baaq 
Yeah wtf why :/
2013-10-24 16:27
stupid parents i guess. i dont see ppl walk around here with a replica of a weapon. All i see here is weird toyguns with annoying sounds! for kids :p
2013-10-24 16:40
#86
Poland Baaq 
Yes probably true also i think banning weapons in US would be wise decision but its up to Americans..
2013-10-24 16:48
That would never happen without a new revolution I guess, I mean most americans would be pissed and yea you know.
2013-10-24 19:59
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Denmark dhE 
*facepalm* America...
2013-10-24 14:48
His own fault. They ordered him to Drop the weapon, He should've just dropped it unless he was some guy with a non working brain.
2013-10-24 15:00
Like country, like citizens.
2013-10-24 15:08
i heard that in US you have 5 seconds to surrender..or police will start to shoot is it true, usa? reply me please some1
2013-10-24 15:06
Not really.
2013-10-24 15:12
my friend was there in Miami, NY and somewhere else idk tbh and he said me about it..so
2013-10-24 15:13
maybe it's only for black guys you know.. i remember one US police fail about Trayvon when they killed him because he weared a hoodie; so fucking retarded tbh
2013-10-24 15:15
LOL xD
2013-10-24 16:03
the police didnt kill Martin
2013-10-24 16:05
the police didn't even kill trayvon, moron.
2013-10-24 16:08
why you called me a moron? everyone can do mistakes, i'm not an exception
2013-10-24 16:14
I just feel like calling people moron when they say or do something moronic. Everyone has problems, and I'm not an exception.
2013-10-24 16:20
Fucking +1
2013-10-24 19:36
+1 all hail lord cliff
2013-10-24 20:53
#79
Germany Dok1 
that's how new false stories are created out of true happenings...
2013-10-24 16:33
or maybe he knows the only truth and wants to enlighten us ;)
2013-10-24 19:50
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World breezy0 
why this only happens in USA ... hmm??
2013-10-24 15:08
Why? Because USA has a "not-strictly" weapon law + many kids/young people are in gangs, schoolshootings and generally there is just many murders in USA. Idont think its a "fun" job to be policeman in USA, i saw something on discovery where a policeman gets shot by a guy in a car who had a backlight failure, and there was alot of thoose clips in that program by people assault/shooting (and they shoot a point blank, so they try 100% to kill) So i can understand why the police in USA sometimes makes mistakes, because many overthere is psychos, so ofcause they take caution and if they see a kid with a AK and ask him to drop it and who don't. What would you do? they got 9mm pistols versus a automatic riffle that penetrate doors in a car and bulletproof vests does nothing. Edit: Im not saying they didn't make a mistake, and ofcause its sad that a kid dies, but what would you do if you were a cop in USA its not the same as beeing a COP in EU. Edit: Found the video youtube.com/watch?v=IAUhKuMNeAI
2013-10-24 15:23
bulletproof vests saves you
2013-10-24 15:25
not vs a AK-47 :)
2013-10-24 15:28
An AK47 deals with the bulletproof vest like a hot knife trough butter.
2013-10-24 16:05
stop with your AK obsession, there's obviously vests perfectly capable of stopping those rounds, even for the police.
2013-10-24 16:18
There are vests yes, but not the standard police issue no. A standard police issue vest stops lighter handguns and some SMG's And not all of the bullets if you keep firing. The point still remains. A shot to the body with a real AK will bring you down, more then one bullet will most likely kill you, vest or not.
2013-10-24 21:45
Seems I couldn't edit my previous response. Type IV is rifle armor (again a ceramic chest plate only) that can stop most AP ammo fired from 5.56, 7.62x39 russian, 30-06, 7.62x51MM, and the 7.62x54R as used in the Dragnuv sniper rifle. However, it generally can only stop ONE hit of that type, and SOME of the hotter magnum hunting rifles with the right bullets can also bust through it. Or, a sufficiently powerful round like the 458 Lott which cannot punch fully through it will simply drive the plate back with enough force to kill a human, even if technically the bullet is stopped. That is military grade armor and it can take one bullet. There is better armor developed but not fully deployed yet so this is what currently stands. If you don't know what you are speaking about please stay quiet.
2013-10-24 21:55
"An AK47 deals with the bulletproof vest like a hot knife trough butter." This was your point and you just contradicted yourself, end of story.
2013-10-24 22:03
Are you retarded? Yes it deals with every bulletproof vest like a hot knife trough butter, even rifle armor since it's a fully automatic rifle and a rifle armor normally stops 1-2 bullets. Seriöst ditt jävla cpmongo.
2013-10-24 22:06
Here comes the "retard" accusations, I've seen this one before, lack of argument or possibly overall lack of intelligence, I would say both. You still contradicted yourself, which you can clearly see #54, #156. "there's obviously vests perfectly capable of stopping those rounds" which are nothing like "a hot knife through* butter." So please, be more butthurt you little creep.
2013-10-25 00:12
i d like to see you going against "AK47 kid" with rocketproof west :D u would shit into your pants when kid starts shot....omfg it covers only your chest. your head woudl blow up after one hit :DDD made my day
2013-10-25 19:04
why the fuck would a "rocketproof" vest only cover the chest? and hey, 3rd worlder, go suck a donkey and don't waste my time with your lack of intelligence, please.
2013-10-25 20:38
We are talking about a policeman vest not a full combatvest that soldiers use in war retard.
2013-10-24 22:09
so retarded...
2013-10-25 15:46
"The deputies called for backup and repeatedly ordered the boy to drop the gun" - I don't get how you can be pissed off when you think they didn't give him enough time. Pretty sure if I had a fake gun and the police were shouting at me to drop it, it would take 2 seconds for it to leave my hands and hit the floor, even if I was 12.
2013-10-24 15:10
haha own fault over 9000.
2013-10-24 15:55
#46
Germany VxO4 
nothing new happen in germany as well Even though if the kid didnt pointed the gun at them they acted stupid as usual wait i read the article now He may had the intention So yeah. Its a replica not a toy. Thats quite a difference. if you had a gun and your counter part had a gun as well what would you do if he tried to point the gun at you? I take my first comment back they had to do this Jesus the article is poorly written they talk about 2 different cases in one article. So confusing to read it because they take quotes from 2 different cases.
2013-10-24 16:06
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World breezy0 
"nothing new happens in germany as well" where in germany are policemen running around and shooting people, where? i didn't even hear of a case where german police was forced to shoot someone down in recent history, in fact german police barely use their fire weapons. it's all well documented. of course we are talking about the "normal" police, not about special forces.
2013-10-24 16:10
#62
Germany VxO4 
there was a case where a kid pointed a airsoft gun at a policemen. Pretty old case dunno the exact date something around 2000-2005. So i doubt you will even find it online but give it a try. You take a few words of me and flip them around making it more dramatic Where did i said policemen in germany are running around and shooting people? Where did i said that? Policemen around the world would have acted similar to the US If the parents teached him well he would have known that you never joke around with the US law enforcement. Or even TV could have teached him that. As a kid i had quite a few airsofts and sometimes i didnt even bother to hide them all the time. I guess i was lucky no body called the cops or realized it was just a gun with palstic bullets doin no serious harm. And i never pointed the gun at someone beside my friends : And these were proper replicas of a p90 and a m4a5 and a m3 pumpgun
2013-10-24 16:22
I think there was such a case in Sweden as well, some kid had a soft air gun and suddenly started aiming at the police, after some instructions to drop it the police fired in the air (to warn him even further) and the kid dropped it. Maybe that's what American cops should do as well?
2013-10-24 16:22
#70
Germany VxO4 
yeah i agree Proper training can change a lot when it comes to taking a lifes
2013-10-24 16:32
I would never do that when someone's waving around with an AK-47. Shooting up in the air can make the suspect jumpy and potentially hit an officer or a civilian. It doesn't matter whether he was 13 or 31. If you bring an automatic rifle (real or fake) out in public and refuse to take it down and surrender, you deserve every bullet that's coming for you.
2013-10-24 18:19
"you" would, I guess you're not a cop?
2013-10-24 18:52
Yeah because the criminals in Sweden are so violent. Last time someone used a replica the police shot him in the head so a kid doing that today might end differently.
2013-10-24 21:47
#80
Germany Dok1 
there was a case a few weeks ago where a mentally ill guy ran around naked with a knife in his hand. I think he was standing in a well when they tried to get him out, but then he attacked the police with the knife and they shot him. Just a little related story but ofc i agree that it doesen't happen very often here in germany. Part of the reason is that we don't have such a stupid law where everybody is allowed to hold a gun.
2013-10-24 16:37
another reason for europeans to feel great about their own fucked up continent.
2013-10-24 16:04
Officers in the city of Santa Rosa say they opened fire after the boy refused orders to drop the rifle, which they believed to be real. im with the cops here. someone is carrying what you believe to be a real rifle and they refuse to drop it. id shoot them too
2013-10-24 16:04
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United Kingdom tomtmh 
wouldn't be surprised if they are lying because the cops got trigger happy
2013-10-24 16:13
walking around in public with replica firearms is a bad idea in the states with all their recent shootings i dont want to speculate on what may or may not have happened but going from what was written in the article the kid was at fault
2013-10-24 17:08
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United Kingdom tomtmh 
agree'd bit of a fucking idiot, but i bet the police gave him 0 warning
2013-10-24 17:10
your "bet" is worth nothing
2013-10-24 23:58
At 13 you are supposed to know that walking in the streets with a replica of an AK isn't a good idea, in the USA in the top of that...
2013-10-24 16:18
"in the usa" ok i understand this.. but in belgium hmmm :S when i was 13, i was playing "soldier" with all my friends from my neigbourhood. We used to have these replica rifles (bibi guns) with the small yellow bullets, police came and they told us nothing.
2013-10-24 16:25
#78
Germany VxO4 
And even lets say they acted like the US fellas i would have dropped the gun/airsoft immediately. I think you would have done the same
2013-10-24 16:33
Its a lack of education from the parents. I don't think a 13 year old can be held responsible for acting this way if he was never taught proper gun safety and handling procedures as a child. HMMMM maybe because they are in one of the states with the strictest gun laws. Education programs are the only things that will stop this kind of thing from happening.
2013-10-24 16:25
Parents fault. If I were a cop, I probably would have done the same thing. The cops asked him to drop the "gun" , he didn't and aimed to them, so, their reaction was kill the threat.
2013-10-24 16:37
That's like running around with a fake gun in Syria... That's a bit of an extreme comparison but in both cases it's a stupid idea and any child should have known better in that situation.
2013-10-24 16:38
kid looked like a piece of trash anyway. probably a stubborn little shithead who didnt want to listen to the police so they opened fire. i have a 13 year old nephew who would never do anything stupid like that. oh well.
2013-10-24 16:38
the gun replica looks pretty realistic, not some toys 'r' us plastic shit... why would you let a 12 year old boy own that :s
2013-10-24 16:48
I had a BB Gun that was a replica of an M16 when I was like 11 that was part gun metal and part plastic even at close range looked real. People want replica's but some of them are so good that it can lead to things like this :(. A sad situation that by the sounds of it could have been avoided twice over, once if the kid had listened and twice the Cop had been measured.
2013-10-24 17:05
yeah true :(
2013-10-24 20:13
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Bulgaria J4R 
I agree.. it is just a kid, and it's not the best way to react in a situation like that, i do agree. But.. with the recent events in the USA and with all the kids walking around with real guns i am not surprised this happened. It is awful, it's freaking horrible.. and i am really really sorry about the family and i do think that the police officers should've reacted differently. But with all the fuzz going on in there i kind of understand if they panicked. And.. that is a nice replica btw.... pretty realistic... And i do not understand why did he not put the weapon down when they asked him to do so.. Really sorry for the family and what happened to them it really is just fucked up..
2013-10-24 17:11
#95
Canada xb0y 
It's his own god damn fault.
2013-10-24 17:12
Kid's these days are complete retards
2013-10-24 17:19
Why not to cover and shoot in the air close to him? Should scare him and not kill immediately, f* no brains. Kid was a moron too.
2013-10-24 18:04
ofc the kid is a morron, he's 13 ffs -_-'
2013-10-24 21:14
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Slovakia kubiaxk 
Maybe he didn't understand what they wanted from him... Just look at his name "loppez", probably some immigrant from Mexico. Or they was yelling at him as usual and he was in some kind of shock. It's hard to say where is truth...
2013-10-24 18:07
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CHEDEL | 
Switzerland CHEDEL 
I don't understand why they didn't shoot a non-letal one, like in the arm or shoulder ... they've probably managed to full auto 2-3 magazines before the dead statment. stupid fat ass.
2013-10-24 19:06
Exactly my thoughts. Why they killed him instantly when they had the possibility to only shoot him in the shoulders or the legs, somewhere where he could've survived?
2013-10-24 19:35
You have obviously never watched cops qualify with their pistols.
2013-10-24 21:10
#164
CHEDEL | 
Switzerland CHEDEL 
yep sorry for that ^^
2013-10-24 22:07
#124
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United Kingdom smoggy:. 
awh man why did you need to post this, there's enough sad news 24/7. Last thing we need is people spreading it around.
2013-10-24 19:42
why the fuck don't they shoot him in his legs if they have to shoot him at all? fucking America with their retarded gun politics...
2013-10-24 19:47
On one hand, the kid shouldn't carry replica guns around.. On the other hand, a police officer should have enough intelligence to understand that there is no way in hell a 13 year old kid could use an ak47. The recoil from 2 shots would knock him on his ass flat.
2013-10-24 19:48
so? he still can fire it even if AFTER he fires it the recoil drops him flat...
2013-10-24 20:30
Have you seen all the schoolshootings overthere? All the young kids in gangs etc? Ofcause they take caution, and you dont risk that he can't control the recoil, would you just say. LOL guys his 13 he can't control the recoil, Oh wait, if he can't control the recoil his also danger to innocent people/bystanders. Your logic don't work.
2013-10-24 22:21
I live in Canada, so I am more aware than most of you about all the shooting down south. This is a THIRTEEN year old kid, he would get tired from holding an ak-47, let alone be able to shoot it. Secondly, at end of the day it was a plastic toy, the police officer had no justifiable reason to use deadly force from the given report.
2013-10-25 19:31
Idont think you ever hold a weapon. AK weigh about 10 pounds max, oh he can't hold 5kg with both arms without getting tired.
2013-10-25 19:55
idiots in this thread talking crap while they don't know shit is hilarious.
2013-10-24 19:51
I had tons of replica/toy guns as a kid... I NEVER took them around out in public
2013-10-24 20:07
Really? I thought every kid including myself used their toyguns outside with their friends. That shit was hilarious as fuck.
2013-10-24 21:06
there's a difference between playing outside with friends and being by yourself out in the streets
2013-10-24 22:53
True. But why would you be alone on the streets with a toygun for no reason?
2013-10-25 17:37
Both kid and cops are retarded here but the country is not to blame...
2013-10-24 20:13
I don't think cops are to blame. How would you react if a guy turned to you with what appears to be a full automatic riffle? It's not easy say it's a fake from far away.. he was warned to drop it, still turned to them, they reacted. What if it wasn't a fake? ;)
2013-10-24 20:29
LOL any non idiot police officer knows there are no machine screws holding a AK variant stock together. Also in the US there has never been a class 3 weapon used in a shooting.
2013-10-24 21:12
that is a good point although I doubt you are paying much attention to the weapon details from far away when faced with such a threat, but yeah maybe they should.
2013-10-24 23:12
cops: look a latin man with an ak other cop: shoot first ask later americans logic
2013-10-24 20:31
This is why we need a gun ban in America
2013-10-24 20:55
LOL Lets say you are a woman in a wheel chair, how are you to defend yourself and your family? Police officers 99% of the time write reports they dont stop crimes.
2013-10-24 21:13
Take a look at Europe. You're welcome!
2013-10-24 22:42
exactly, american gun fanatics' logic is so warped
2013-10-24 22:54
Look at the violent crime rates for our cities with strict gun laws. Chicago, NewYork, Detroit, Oakland, DC. If you remove our big cities with strict gun laws our crime rate per capita is lower than Europe. If you want to be left powerless against criminals continue to live in your restricted areas. I choose to be able to protect my life as well as my loved ones.
2013-10-24 23:04
You are not "powerless" if nobody else has guns. You are in exactly the same spot, but without the extra incentive for killing.
2013-10-24 23:13
LOL, Knives, bats, sticks, MOTOR VEHICLES. All deadly things that you will need to outlaw eventually if that is your stance. I guess we wont be eating steak anymore. To quote Franklin "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." There are crazy people everywhere. Where there is a will there is a way. If they try and hurt you with whatever means why not have the most effective weapon one can posses to stop a threat to your life.
2013-10-24 23:20
You are acting so dumb. Not sure if it is because you love guns, or what, but guns make it a LOT easier to kill, and make killing a lot more "accessible". ofc people will always kill if they want, but you have a chance to stop a guy with a knife or to move away from a moving car. A gun, not so much.
2013-10-24 23:29
Maybe you missed my sentence where I said I want the most effective machine I am allowed to have to stop a bad guy. Someone can take your life in seconds with a very large number of items. So we agree there are crazy people in this world. Mentally ill people are not going away right? Why risk a possible altercation of any type with a handicap? BTW that is a handicap that criminals will never abide by. Limiting your means to life and liberty for a "greater good" is not how this country was founded.
2013-10-24 23:43
Look at the amount of deaths by guns in Europe, than America. Than come convince me that guns are good.
2013-10-24 23:51
I would never argue there are less gun murders in the US. There is almost 10 fold here in the US compared to the UK and why is that? Oh because guns are much less available there. Wow never would have guessed :/ If you take out or cities with strict gun laws we have less violent crime(violent crime being the key words) than Europe. That is a fact look up the FBI statistics. Violent crimes encompass more than just gun incidents. You cant tell me you don't have a violent crime problem in Europe. Guns don't kill people, sick people with guns kill people. If you argue that a inanimate object is a problem you must not be very bright.
2013-10-25 00:03
"Guns don't kill people, sick people with guns kill people. If you argue that a inanimate object is a problem you must not be very bright." very true. And a great way to help prevent this is to ban guns. Stats don't lie.
2013-10-25 00:11
Banning guns only stops law abiding citizens from obtaining guns. Criminals will still have guns AND other ways to do mass killings. If you want your life to be in someone elses hands move to Europe. In 2011 here were the stats, as close to apple to apples as one can get. 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people (England and Whales) Measured with 3 crime categories......"violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people (United States) Measured with the 4 FBI requirements to be a violent crime.....murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.
2013-10-25 00:21
If that is true, how do you explain the amount of gun kills in Anmerica to Europe?
2013-10-25 00:16
Gun ownership and ability to defend ones self is key to keeping violent crimes from happening. Criminals will target the weak. Giving up rights to defend yourself makes you a weak opponent. Also I added some statistics above so you can understand where this notion comes from.
2013-10-25 00:24
r.i.p. usa, criminals there must be pretty vicious if civilians have to carry guns for defending themselves, instead of leaving this job to the police.
2013-10-25 10:24
are u really that naive that police can save u ? :D
2013-10-25 19:12
Why would I want for a police to save me? At my country there are no robbers using guns... I've got out of few attempts to rob me by talking alone, they weren't even dangerous enough to resort on fists... Having a gun means that this person is a dangrous and trained to pull a trigger, whenever he's a thug or civilian. There is no big suprise that this 12yo kid was shot, because using a gun is not a joking matter, even if it's fake. Just pointing it towards something is enough justification for self-defensive shot, since gunshots are too fast for other kind of logical thinking than "pull a trigger first".
2013-10-25 19:23
a criminal that knows his victim will probably be armed will be a lot more trigger-happy than a criminal that knows his victim will be unarmed, he might even abandon the gun and go for a knife. sure, if he has his mind set on killing people it won't make any difference but if he's just trying to rob you, you have a better change of living if he knows you are defenseless
2013-10-25 16:42
Guns are made to kill. xD
2013-10-25 14:30
Then U should ask ur goverment to give citizens permissions of buying a Tank.Then if someone use guns to shoot u,U can just drive out ur tank and owned him.Tank are a lot more effective machine than the gun.And I guess the USA munitions merchant will be so happy if this happens.
2013-10-25 11:22
You're so wrong because I have my own atomic weapon so I kill him first bruh.
2013-10-25 14:31
and blow yourself up :D
2013-10-25 19:05
:D
2013-10-26 04:18
I live in Northwest Indiana, about 30 mins from Chicago, and the city of Chicago has some of the most strict gun laws in the nation, and people get shot daily in Chicago, it's not going to stop, hell drugs are illegal, but people get them daily, and if they take away the guns, only people left with them will be the gang bangers and criminals, thank god I'm a resident of Indiana, and can have my sidearm holstered and out, you never know when the next moron decides to start shooting. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Homer Simpson says it best: "A gun is not a weapon, it's a tool, like a butcher's knife, or a harpoon, or uh uh an alligator"
2013-10-24 23:17
Damn thats crazy, thanks for sharing that informations. Also i dont wanna force you to opinion that banning weapons is must but there was sytuation where somewhere in US some guy started to shot to people and killed few. Like week later same stuff happend in Poland but guy hadn't had gun because u cant just get gun in most European countries so he had knife and failed to kill anyone. So yes if anyone wants to go "rampage" he can do this in every country but in country where there are no guns its just harder for him. I know the argument that u can defend yourself with weapon but there are no need to defend yourself when no one has guns. Its just my point of view, i dont live in your country so i cant really know how it is, maybe these kinds of sytuations when ppl shot to each other depends on culture, number of ppl living in country or hell maybe even climate, but in Europe there's not much of that.
2013-10-24 23:46
Its all about a mental state not guns. The guy that tried to murder people in your country could have ran down the sidewalk at 100mph+ and killed a few dozen. That doesnt mean cars should be banned.
2013-10-24 23:55
bullshit, stop actiong that guns does not have a role in this. guns make ppl take bad decisions. for example a massacre. and they dont kill just to kill, they do it because they are angry on someone else, maybe a victim of bullying. guns is the most effective weapon to kill masses, when you have a urge to kill someone you hate. there is almost no massacres/killings where there is absolute no reason at all. ban guns and ppl will reconsider killing
2013-10-25 19:31
your right its about mental state, but also guns.. in denmark we dont need guns couse we are not afraid of the next moron who starts shooting. and your argument doesnt really work. you can kill some one with your bare hands too you know.. the difference is though, that a gun is made for killing. so having a liberal gun law just enables people who are nuts to go killing and its a vicious circle because you just want more guns for protection.
2013-10-25 19:23
This happened in my county. sonoma county. And the sherrifs here have been trigger happy in the past. But we don't know all the detail. It's currently under investigation according to the newspaper but I doubt anything will happen to the officer.
2013-10-25 09:03
Meh. This is no joking matter, regardless if it was mistake to shoot or not. Just because he's 12 ys old, that doesn't make that "plastic" gun in his hands look harmless. Who even makes such toys?
2013-10-25 09:18
The police should shoot in the kid's arms or legs,so that wouldn't lead to the death.The policeman must be poor at aiming or just too nervous.
2013-10-25 11:04
actually arent they trained to aim always for the chest? Like on the shooting range when you see these paper guys with the bullseye on the chest
2013-10-25 17:16
Nar I haven't touched the real gun.Maybe it's very hard for a guy to aim other body parts if he is always trained to shoot the chest.
2013-10-26 04:30
yeah i think so too. Which is stupid why the train them like that.
2013-10-26 15:10
poor boy
2013-10-25 15:13
This stupidity in this thread is strong
2013-10-25 18:33
Well sad to read it but here in Pakistan, on Eid days you can't find any kid without a replica pistol or rifle in his hand. No such incident happened here so far. But policeman should have shot him on leg or a single bullet but he fired 7 rounds :O that's really strange
2013-10-26 16:23
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