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In my opinion,SK has 5 good players in the world,WHy can't they win?
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actually i made a blog about this or was it a thread?/ i don't remember... lets say it again...
they orginally planned gux, forest, getright with allen/robban... no face and no dennis then... so that is what concerns me... allen is not that good anymore atleast(never liked him) and although i like robban he is not a top aimer nowadays.... so they replaced carn/dsn with robban/allen... which is not advisable... they were placing the same before and now also they cannot win just like before... i would say they chose the lesser combo.... so why the hell people expect them to win...
they changed gux with face... which i think everyone will agree that gux> face(although i like face better)... so they definately had a lesser team than in fnatic... once again i ask why the hell do you expect them to win if they weren't before as they shouldn't be good enough atleast logically(motivation and chemistry is also a factor but atleast chemistry should go to older fnatic)...
now dennis comes in... he is a newcomer and hasn't really destroyed everything yet... we do not know is true potential just yet... so i ask again why the hell are people expecting sk to rule the world cuz on paper and statistically/logically they are lesser than the older fnatic... i just cannot imagine why this new formula of theirs should work...
although if they make the best team in sweden then ofcourse you shoul expect them to win...
get right(calling)
forest
delpan
gux
moddii
threat/pronax/carn/robban/walle/snajdan ... they are the only major callers available of whom two are out of touch(walle/snajdan)... or replace gux with some one of these caller if get right cannot call... but i think get right could be a good caller...now if this team can get their tactics right then they can dominate everyone... not the current sk...
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this lineup would own, but do not forget that in this high class of cs everyone can be beaten,
-delpan +barbarr
this fellow was very inconsistent..
barbar..not that great but can get the job done
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i like face better myself... but people insist that gux is awesomely better... some even say that gux is the best player in sweden which i think is moddii...
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I think gux lost it, starting in april 2010. Just look at him now, Its not like he shines in LIONS to be honest.
moddii is a wildcard sort of. Sometimes he just rush and goes sooo agressive, way to hard. It's needed sometimes but it may cost them the round, but aiming wise I think its him and f0rest, too bad ppl expect so freaking much from him, ppl expected that get right and f0rest would make SK win everything when they didnt win everything, barely anything for fnatic in 2010
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my point exactly... they didn't win in 2010... and with a lesser or maybe equal combo they shouldn't be expected to win either... although i do believe that if they add delpan to the mix so that they have a pure awper then they will be doing a lot better... and i don't know why delpan went to fnatic( a better organization than sk) as he would be wining a lot more with sk... cuz if the guy finds consistency then he is ubeatable...
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true that, sometime its a joy to watch him with the big green and other times you think "wtf is he doing?" but in my opinion RobbaN was way better than carn in this tournament (ig leader speaking) much much more secure except in the finals where they've been up for 25 hours playing and then waiting 4 hours for the final, stupid staff at that tournament, but yea they should get gt call easy matches and on praccs and then replace robban with another young talent
In an ideal world, the team you've made up looks good on paper. A bit overkill in terms of skill. They might crush everyone at the beginning, but in a long run, I bet they will start losing their flavor and self-destruct.
In reality is, a perfect team must always have a solid team leader (not IGL, team captain rather) that can hold the team together. Keep the motivation up and make every member in the team feels comfortable with each other (as in, socially functional lol). Conflicts are bound to happen to any team. This is where the importance of a leader comes to play. If the leader sucks hard, things are going to break apart. Success will be unlikely.
GeT_RiGhT - I don't believe GTR is a quality leader. He gets bored dealing with the same thing rather easy. He's more of an opportunist imo.
f0rest - has always been carefree. I doubt he would want to do something as boring as this.
Delpan - delpan's motivation for the game seemed pretty high before he took a break from CS. I remember when he was without a team, he was like so eager to play NC and always make himself available for international games. But honestly, I don't really see him as a leader-like character.
Gux - ... lol.
MODDII - ... this one I don't think he needs any introduction...
if you appoint any one of these players to be the leader, I don't think the rest of them will take him seriously.
I believe in the Swedish scene, we can easily get a realible, well respected, and trustworthy person to be the boss. For example, cArn, threat, niko, dsn, and maybe Snajdan. They might not be as skilled as the five you mentioned, but they certainly can hold the team together and maintain the harmony within them.
People are cheering NEO, trace, markeloff, GTR, f0rest because of how awesome they are. I actually have more respect for ave, TaZ, Zeus, cArn for what they have done for these players.
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well that is what i said... i think get_right can call... but they would not do much without a proper caller... so i would replace gux with someone who is available... niko is a caller?? i didn't know that... cuz if he is then he could be in sk and be their main awper as well... i think they are suffering cuz they do not have an out and out awper... delpan would have made them better... well it is all wishfull thinking...
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exactly haha!
people hope that f0rest and getright, under new organisation and with worse teammates than gux carn and dsn, will achieve what they did with fnatic in 2009, that is just wrong.
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From this event, I'd have to say Na'Vi is on a different level with other teams. I said it long time ago, SK needs to cut Robban if they wanna get on top. Plus, GTR never stands tall against real strong teams. Only f0rest can get the job done. At the moment, it is very sad that no team can shake Na'Vi dominance. And my mTw needs to get rid of Arcadion if they really want a championship.
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that was so funny,
you know pasha made 2 huge kills with the awp , and now robban thinks :"yeah now i will pwn with the awp babe (aims on the head)" and BAEEEM :
two blue names in a row :D
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sorry, but FX played on the afternoon the final? Before the final FX played a really hard match vs mtw and sk??? not
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Man I aslo watched the whole tournament, and please don't tell me stupid things...
"SK were dominating 1st map then they gave it up for sleep" don't make me laugh... they dominated what?! they won first part 10-5 [or 9-6] and that's dominating? if they could, they would win that map, do you think they would give up the match and more than 5000€ for playing 1 hour more? sure sure... they just couldnt beat them because they were lower.
FX is the best team in the world with comeback, they have shown it many times and in hard matches; for FX this match was nothing compared to mTw match.
If SK could beat FX they would play to the end, but since they saw they can't win them [they saw that in the second map playing as CT] they just got destroyed. And we will never know if they really gave it up, if I were Sk fan I probably wouldn't like to know that they gave it up...
edit: but yes, it's easiest to say they lost because they gave it up.
The thing is that SK is not on the level that FX, mTw and Na'Vi are.
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well neo might be the greatest player who ever lived...
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SK had to wait for an hour before the final so they'd probably lost their momentum...and also if you watched the stream, there were no reactions, whenever they lost or won a round, it was like the same for them...I'm not saying that FX were not feeling the same, but it seemed that SK gave up the match
IMO in a normal time SK would've beaten FX
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Ok sometimes....for ex when they lost the eco round on train, they acted like whatever, and they know what losing an eco on de_train could mean, and in the end what it meant
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cause SK in dd2 killed each other for several times at necessary positions !
also SK first have a lead in CT but FX could to save their money and win several rounds then have a lead in money and winning rounds. at last FX win the dd2 .
SK are really improving.
IEM Europe - eliminated in groups
IEM World - eliminated in bracket
HLTV.org Prelude - victory over mTw
CPH - runner up to Fx
I really think SK would of done a lot better against Fx if the final was played a more conventional time / format. They may not have won, but it would of been a lot closer.
So next event, i expect them to place top3/4 with Navi/Fx/mTw
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I wouldn't say they are improving.
If they've met mtw in the semis they wouldn't be in the final at all.
In IEM world like you said they were eliminated in brackets and why? cuz they lost against mtw and fx.
In IEM europe they were eliminated in group (like you said xD) and why? cuz they lost against fx and mym(obviously they have some problem with russians cuz they always give them good fight even this tournament where they barely won them) and they drawed vs mtw.
This victory over mtw was online so I wouldn't count it.
And finally this tournament where they finished second cuz they lost to FX(again).
So my point is that they are always loosing against same teams and there is no big improvement it is just matter of luck(who will be their opponent).
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you made my own point.
iem europe
16-3 loss to m5
now they beat them 2-1.
how is that not improving ? How can you possibly argue that getting knocked out in groups, then bracket, then making grand final is not improving ?
Yes they are still losing to Fx and probably will lose to mTw, but they arn't losing to fnatic or m5 anymore
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Like M5 is strong team... cmon They are hard opponent just for them and I dunno why. Plus they barely won them now and I didn't said there is no improvement pls read my last sentence once again "there is no 'big' improvement" which is also answer to your second 'question', "it is just matter of luck who will be their opponent". Next tournament if they meet mtw and fx or na'vi and fx or mtw and na'vi i guarantee you they won't pass even group stage.
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They don't have chemistry in team, imo fnatic is better team atm and only thing that fnatic lacks is confidence to beat top teams.. They are always in close combats with mTw, FX, NaVi and they loose to SK, and that doesn't make fnatic worse team than SK. SK has GTR which was originaly kicked by SK 5 years ago (I think) and I couldn't believe that he doesn't remember that... f0rest isn't the same w/o cArn and dsn, robban time has long gone and dennis is good but still in transition to become great player.. That's imo what SK needs, they need walle back in game, to be 1st and only awper, they don't have one, which becomes clearly biggest fail vs teams which have some great awper (NaVi, even M5 or so on...) IMO, they should't done that thing with kicking moddii out of lineup, he is simply awesome player and far better than robban/dennis/face... Maybe he has some personality disorders (XD) but he is rly great player..
IMO SK lineup could be like this, and they would win more events than they do it right now -> GTR,f0rest,walle,face,robban(or some good igl, or walle can be igl and to keep dennis) ...
You are forgetting that they changed lineup after that.
M5 +twist (huge downgrade)
SK +dennis (upgrade. Same level AT LEAST)
That makes a big difference too.
because robban is PRETTY bad.. he just kill on eco rounds.. he is bad awper, bad assaulter, average pistoler, not the best ingame leader..
sk needs an awper and an ingame leader..
robban should leave, join a GOOD ingame leader (i don't see a option, but i think that threat could do better then him)
for the spot of awper, dennis should be sacrified :/ i think that he is very good, and he deserves to be on sk, but this time an awper is more interesting for them.. maybe manne or even khrystal..
i can't understand why everyone are not seeing that :o
bye
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"i can't understand why everyone are not seeing that :o"
Because you are acting like they are robots. They are real people with real feelings, and to put it simply they don't get along with 'everyone'. They spend 80% of their lives with there teammates they need to be friends.
This is the reason there is no "super team" in Russia, France, Portugal, Norway.
why not - ROBBAN -dennis + carn +dsn ? cmon , f0rest and GTR choose robban and dennis , they have their opinion.
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because its SK, not fnatic :D
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snajdn is overated ! omg !
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Yes you got me ! But I don't wanna send message to an admin begging for him to unban me. Just let it be.
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I'm not a TROLL. The message is loud and clear.
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can you guy stop trolling?
troll getting trolled by a non-troll? ;o
THREAT NAD GUX TO SK :D
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+1
-1...4 AMAZING PLAYERs + 1 very food player but EASILY readable tactics !
I dunt kn0w why people forget that robban replacement is impossible coz there is no better igl !
PS apart from those igls playing in strong teams like carn threat niko and pronax !
And SK are n0t winning just becoz they are n0t the best team they just have Gtr and f0rest it d0esnt mean that they'll m0ve forward ! The important factor why old fnatic used to win just n0t becoz of f0rest gtr bt also gux and carns strats !
SK MAY BE THE BEST TEAM ON PAPER BUT WHEN COMES TO PERFORMANCE THEY CANN0T WIN NY TOURNAMENT !
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On basis of gtr and f0rest they are m0ving up in the tournament but they'll never win coz since the beginning of this new sk we have always seen only 1 player plays if they win a single match either gtr f0rest or face or robban or dnis !
And whenever u see teams like fx and navi mtw fnatic plays we can see the best team play wid all people playing an important role in winnin a match and
new sk suks high time even though love f0rest gtr still sk suks they need to show better coordinati0n if they want to win and be successful team ! Old sk > new sk
Cause RobbaN wasn't too igl in final, they just played in base of individual skills, not in team skills. RobbaN is giving other players more space, and tries to have better individual skills than those tactical for team.
And the other thought is that has caused excessive fatigue from the busy schedule of matches.
what do you mean by old sk?
walle, robban, allen, tentpole, zet?
because thins line up above, would be good if zet went back to 2005 and the others to 2006-2007.. this sk is much better, they can do a lot more things.. what they need is an igl and awper, it is making the difference...
an igl should use their players in the best position (carn is the best, he can make any player fit on fnatic's team)..
robban need a good awper (he is terrible) and he should know how to use this line up.. AND he need to be on the level of his team, he is not an amazing player like the others..
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Give them some time they will be on the top again :]. Look at REAL (i know it's football and it's not even close to counter-strike but they are great example how people can improve themselves), first they lost 5-0 to Barcelona and than they won against them. They stayed with the same team and with the same coach. So they needed only some time. And I think SK only needs some time to get use to each other. After all they are new team.
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Well, the event was really bad, starting the first matches at 7 PM the first day, finish at 2 AM and start the first matches of tomorrow at 10 AM and finish at 5 AM, you find it normal ? Guys have only 6-7 hours of sleep and they play until 5 AM, SK and FX weren't at 100%. I'll just wait for a final from a better tournament to see the real level from SK !
if u see on the paper, SK got one of the best individiual teams in the world with 2 insane fraggers in f0rest and GeT_RiGhT, i think it's bad they can't get more out of them, but it is all about tacs, igl and teamwork, and that they can improve to next year. i feel u guys who think they need a better igl, because i dont think Robban plays good, i'm not a hater of Robban, but i really dont think he plays well for this team, and as an organisation that wants to win multiple events, they need to get new teams. Now i saw GomeZ writing about it's real people and so on, and my response to that is ... take a look at other sports, soccer, basketball, handball, they all get new players or new coaches if the team doesn't win anything. i believe a bette igl, some more time with a lot of pcw's against good teams, and a lot of bootcamps will do great.
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Erm your point doesn't really cut it in terms of football. Look at Torres, 50m transfer, 1 goal. And Chelsea (and other teams) keep changing managers and gain like a 2 second glory while teams like Man United and Arsenal maintain their supremacy (they change players yes, but the manager is key). Well admittedly Arsenal hasn't been winning anything.
Yes yes I'm a United fan.
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wtf? They guy have years of experience, inst is fault if the communication is missing, is everybody's fault.
Just stop saying that the problem is from a player.
When you people says that you are not saying because it is right but because you don't like/like the player.
HLTV users cant give an opinion without have the fanboy sentence.
Just give SK some time. They changed the lineup a little time ago, losing two "home" players.
cuz trace is on mtw and good awper :D
-robban +pasha
-dennis +kuben
-face +loord
-f0rest +neo
-get_right +taz
GOGOGOGO
How long have mTw been playing together? NaVi? fx?
They need time to adjust, its a fresh team, come on..
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1 word. Online. Besides, neither of them were using tactics.
kalle
tacky
moddii
barbarr
-pronax
+carn
I play better than Dennis, why SK not take me?
:D
Maybe the outcome would have been different if the final was played the next day...
gtr i forest need cArn!!!!!!!
look at their strats tyler² :D
robban just copied a few of walles strats. they play like a usual 5on5 team thats it. nothing new.
they lay on their experience as a player and try to headshot the opponents
now the answer why they win quite often in praccs. because both teams play without strats. you saw it on the xperia play against mtw both teams played like they do praccs. and yes sometimes they even get crushed by 3rd class teams when they play with tactics.
and when you know look at fnatic you see exactly the opposite new strats in eco's and co. some of them are even retarded :D
they focus more on the tactics than on their aim part. does it work? noo
you need to find a good mix of both like navi does
SK somehow let the game slip on d2 and couldn't recover from that... will be interesting to see if they continue with that same lineup
overall it seems like FX just handled the fact of the game being played in the middle of the night better, maybe being pumped with rage+adrenaline from mTw match helped a bit ;)
that said i'm sure FX would have won, if the game was played next day, they don't have a single weak link in their lineup and sk does
SK can't win because others can.
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face = moody player
Robban = probably the only retarded captain of a clan of cs 1.6
get_right = lone wolf...(plays for himself)
forest = (mad fragger) cant win crucial games for their own clans..
random players ;;; dennis ...underrated player in standard of foreign professional cs players
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you're better than them?
face is a great player
robban can play good, but not as awp or igl
get_right - lone wolf yeah, but he can play in a team, he's not moddii
forest - one of the best players in the world, i don't understand your words about him
dennis - good player, but too nervous, he needs some time
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maybe yeah i am little bit of harsh saying all these things...but really forest is a great player....but he could have achieved something had he stayed in fnatic....sk is just like real madrid of counter strike 1.6...
dude obviously i am not better than them....plz dont say all these things ... atleast for me i am not good as them they are pros...so respect for them...but i think forest becomes tensed when playing against teams like navi fx mtw ...they are constantly blocking sk's way ..so in my opinion if they overcome this problem,,,then surely sk are going to win something... lol
"you're better than them?" mate u just gave me a heart attack by asking this question :D
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absolutely right !!!
every game u watch neo's gameplay !! with more games ...he amazes everyone by his tactics....if somehow pasha kuben loord and taz becomes more consistent then really no one can stop the poland powerhouse
GTR
f0rest
Delpan
Gux
maddii
Because RobbaN i think, i say it cause i saw some mistakes from him that fucked SK.
First: I do not like he being caller.
Second: At de_dust2 SK winning 10-5 and he 4-11. What i mean with it? If he follow the team, that match could has a different result.
Third: SK on ct side, face back of 4 FX players and RobbaN shooted him.
Fourth: pasha owned him.
-RobbaN -dennis
+THREAT +Gux or pronax and moddii.
Sorry by my bad english, i hope you guys understand.
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yeah..that tk on face was FUCKIN FUNNY !!
Do dennis play badly?
SK had some time to rest, fx played almost non-stop, but I think after semi-final match FX just gained great confidence to win. SK players were tired and couldn't do anything about FX players owning them... they fought in first map and after close-map they probably gave up the game, this break after SK's semi-final (about 1 hour) made them fallen from the rhythm. Anyway, GG for both teams, fantastic tournament, I think no one of players/teams expected playing since 10 a.m. to 5 a.m. next day ^^ When you participate in some major event like this you can't know what will happen and in which conditions you will have to play...
RobbaN was always the problem I have been saying it forever, bringing in two madfragger's inplace of one and a decent fragger/IGL was a huge mistake because the tactics are still bad!
If we lived in an ideal world we would see :
GeT_RiGhT
f0rest
MODDII
GuX
Delpan
but we don't so we are going to continue seeing
1st : Na'Vi
2nd : mTw/FX
3rd : fnatic/SK
4th : M5/SK
5th-100th : SK
until DRASTIC lineup changes are made.
i said early that they wont win a tournament with the big teams in it since robban and dennis isnt as good as the others. there is alot of swedish players that is better then theese, 2 igls that i guess would go to sk right away, threat and pronax. khrystal, niko is great allaround players that they could have picked up.
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I think dennis plays good enough.
because FX is better than SK
if SK will change RobbaN on Delpan and dennis on moddii.. but it's impossible
i cursed them cuz they won fnatic
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i would rather write they dont win because they dont have allen :-)
i want old fnatic back
dennis is doing good, he is improving and getting experience..
to keep dennis sk should change robban for walle, if not walle, snajdan..
if sk don't get walle or snajdan they should give up from dennis (sacrified) and robban, ofc.. to put threat and manne..
the only thing that i'm sure is that sk should remove robban as soon as possible..
This was not normal SK imo but gg anyway
when next big event ?
sk managers are idiots.. they added khrystal, they kicked krystal.. they added delpan, they kicked delpan.. they added moddii, they kicked moddii.. they don't like 'rising stars' and at this time they don't have a player that they want to put on the team, they should believe in a good awper like manne.. they spent delpan, spent moddii.. i really don't know what they want.. AND THEY ARE KEEPING ROBBAN ALL THIS TIME.. OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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fx was not?
f0rest
cArn
GuX
DSn
GeT_RiGhT
best team
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No,I don't think so!Delpan>Dsn,carn is a good igl,but he is bad in aim.My dream SK team is:
Delpan(igl)
forest
Get_Right
dennis
Gux
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oh c'mon man... dsn is the most underrated player of sweden, did u see the tournament? PISTOL ROUND = DSN OWNING EVERYBODY. he is so consistant, but if u want to > Na´Vi I would go with
f0rest
cArn (his strats are always fresh and good, plus his teams always has good chemistry)
dsn (he's the captain of fnatic, and a consistant player with a LOT of experience)
delpan (awp duel with markeloff would be interesting)
moddii or getright.
Na'Vi wud be thinking "we can fck any team :P"
They have too much individual talent. The opposite of fnatic, of course fnatic has great talent but they need to be unleashed. Fnatic has better team play but they haven't UNLEASHED the talent in their team, SK has the exact opposite. Their teamplay is shit but they have TOO MUCH individual talent unleashed.
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