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Respect Fnatic
World JLTxD 
They won Katowice because they worked hard for it.They deserved it It was really bad to see the polish crowd just supporting NiP. Fnatic deserves the respect you guys give to NiP. They prepared for it and it paid off. Nobody hacks on their team. They are best team and take it as a fact and respect those guys,they havent dont anything wrong. They have proved how good they are on LAN,even better than online. As an E sports fan,especially CSGO,it doesn't look good when people dont respect the most talented guys in csgo. The proof to the fact that majority hate them is when they won Katowice,i saw no one actually praising them.The threads i saw at that time was wp NiP,NiP nt, Tecnatic9 won etc. This is not a fanboy-ism from me. This is just what i feel and what people like me(esports fan) feel as neutral spectators.
2015-03-16 13:29
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+1
2015-03-16 13:41
40 replies
They also won vs ldlc on dreamhack legitimately. They should've had 3 majors already and im not a fanboy
2015-03-16 13:48
35 replies
+1
2015-03-16 13:53
I'm having a hard time agreeing with the LDLC vs. fnatic game.
2015-03-16 14:07
32 replies
well funny how ldlc filed a protest after the game was lost and not during it. When it was discovered they too used a boost which made them unhittable, they took to social media to cry how unfair it was to reset that map. If they were good they would be confident is not needing a replay. Fnatic caved in to the pressure as it was during flushas accusations, and let LDLC through. NBK and others took the win to their heads and started acting cocky, this major should be a humbling moment and I think they finally realized it. Fnatic deserves respect because they are probably the hardest working team in CSGO.
2015-03-16 14:18
30 replies
They filed it after they lost because they had no idea what the boost was, only that it was overpowered as hell. Had they known they could have countered it. LDLC's boost was nowhere near as broken as Fnatic's. LDLC used the boost at most three times, at it gave them view of long B sewers. Fnatic's gave them view of the entire map. Fnatic are the hardest working team in GO, agreed. But that win at DHW was not deserved. Lets take away the boost - LDLC is up like 13-3 (they won pistol) and Fnatic is on eco/force. I think its safe to say LDLC gets at least three rounds if Fnatic doesn't use a broken spot.
2015-03-16 14:22
26 replies
so you are telling us that everytime someone comes up with a new boost they'll have to replay the match cus they don't know where it was? that's just stupid. I think that boost was super clever of them, and you could be shoot when you were boosted, so it was not super OP.
2015-03-16 14:50
12 replies
It broke the rules. You could see through walls. And it was super OP you could see the whole relevant part of the map. And you could see the site they were going to. If that boost spot wasn't OP then what is?
2015-03-16 20:29
8 replies
oh really, what walls?
2015-03-16 20:42
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2015-03-16 20:44
5 replies
that doesn't even look like the same angle where the boost was. Also, take a look at this lol i.imgur.com/JjBUnw1.jpg -edit- made some research and yes, you could see but it was a little glimse of T spawn, you could not shot through it though, so i don't understand what the problem was with that.
2015-03-16 20:50
4 replies
Its illegal though regardless.
2015-03-16 23:02
3 replies
Then LDLC also broke the rules by doing that glitch on the walls on B
2015-03-16 23:08
2 replies
No. Pixel walking wasn't illegal, but seeing through walls was.
2015-03-17 00:52
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It was reported that LDLC also broke the rules (boost seeing through walls to b from a) - FNATIC filed a counter protest - and therefore the map was replayed. If LDLC wouldn't have made their own illegal boost they would have gotten the map (at least) without replaying.
2015-03-17 01:22
*facepalm* Pretty sure DHW admin posted an article about this and was posted on HLTV explaining the reasoning of why it was illegal.
2015-03-17 01:53
I hate it when I don't find the words to explain how retarded someone is
2015-03-16 20:32
1 reply
nice try NBK.
2015-03-16 20:41
saying that boost wasnt OP is not giving credit to the boost. that boost was OP as fuck. that being said i think the boost was pretty awesome and single-handedly (would've)won them the match
2015-03-17 02:59
i'd say ldlc was the better team at the time, but it's fucking terrible that it took them 8(!) rounds to figure out where olofm was shooting from with a scout and autosniper which aren't exactly silent. ldlc most likely would have won overpass without that boost, but those kind of innovative things are exactly what cs has always been about. casters enjoyed the boost, the live audience and the stream as well, until the public opinion slowly started to switch to their favorites, ldlc, when they realized they where about to lose the game because of it.
2015-03-16 15:05
12 replies
I don't think public opinion swayed because LDLC were favourites, but rather because people already disliked fnatic.
2015-03-16 15:21
It's a cool boost, but it's not legal to skywalk or what the fuck you wanna call it
2015-03-16 15:29
10 replies
There were no rules against pixelboosting at DHW 14 actually. Just that it was judged to be an "immortal" boost although it was not, you could easily pop flash olof and take him down.
2015-03-16 16:17
9 replies
Kappa?
2015-03-16 18:11
7 replies
Dreamhack Summer 2013, but nice try :)
2015-03-16 20:40
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#161
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United States Dood
Even so, fnatic's boost allowed olof to see through walls...
2015-03-16 20:43
5 replies
So be it, but imo LDLC did just as wrong as fnatic when using the boosts, they should not have cried when they even used a similar boost themself.
2015-03-16 20:45
4 replies
therefore the map was meant to be replayed. else ldlc would have gotten the map without the replay string attached.
2015-03-17 01:24
jesus stop comparing the boosts fnatics was 1000000 times better and they dont even compare. i think they shouldve docked rounds for the times the boost was used and ldlc would have won
2015-03-17 03:01
2 replies
you can't foul afterwards. in what world would that actually work?
2015-03-17 14:58
A boost ia a boost. If it can be done and if its legit then fine. The OPness of the boost is irrelevant. Thats the map's prob. The rules permmited pixel walking in DHW. The rule book that you guys base on is frm DHS. So technically, fnatic won it .
2015-03-17 15:03
Well said bro.
2015-03-16 15:43
They did stop and ask the Admins, mid game and they told them that Fnatic was doing everything legal.
2015-03-16 23:12
> well funny how ldlc filed a protest after the game was lost and not during it. Maybe, and I'm just spitballing here, but because they were in the middle of actually playing it?
2015-03-17 02:09
The spot was unfair, and I believe that ldlc deserved the win in that but the way that ldlc reacted to it in the game was retarded, it took them 10 rounds before they called a timeout.
2015-03-17 03:02
+1
2015-03-16 20:59
Brilliant performance. I kept my fingers crossed for VP but Fnatic was on fire.
2015-03-16 15:44
2 replies
tbh one main reason why nip lost was because f0rest wasn't doing that good, neither was xist, for the whole other part of the tournament those 2 were in the top 3 not the bottom, allu played a great match but if f0rest turned up, and so did xist, it would've been a whole different story
2015-03-17 09:47
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JW and peonax wasnt playing well the finals... so, if they played well too, wouldnt be a different the story...
2015-03-17 14:00
amen. people are s1mply med coz bed lel
2015-03-17 09:59
"Those who want respect, give respect!" -T.S Feels like they are the most hated team cuz of their lack of respect towards other teams.
2015-03-16 13:42
45 replies
and which teams would that be ??
2015-03-16 13:47
Give us some examples jon
2015-03-16 13:51
34 replies
youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ Im not that in to the scene but its the feeling i get when i talk to people.. If thats not the case, why arent they more popular?
2015-03-16 13:56
33 replies
3/5 Players are not in the current Lineup anymore, Flusha didnt say one thing. So JW is able to hate, Krimz Olof and Pronax never harrassed any other Team. Btw i think fnatic already won this game, but NiP refused and they had to replay. That might be an point why they were angry. Still: Only JW beeing Toxic and its like 2 Years ago, you shouldnt care anymore.
2015-03-16 14:02
17 replies
Yeah sure, thats all true.. but they representing fnatic and all the things they do ingame and outside the game reflects on the teams image and those things stick with the teams reputation regardless if its not the same players. But if its not these things, why are they so hated? I cant figure it out then..
2015-03-16 14:07
11 replies
Dunno tbh, i dont like NiP for example, cause i think GTR is conceited as fuck. F0rest is a cool guy, friberg too.. But GTR in my opinion is a real shitty person.
2015-03-16 14:10
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#129
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Costa Rica Gomezio
GeT_RiGhT conceited, F0rest cool? Have you EVER watched or listened to F0rest? He is the most arrogant player.
2015-03-16 16:31
8 replies
Xizt: "I you want to win versus retards, you gotta think like one" vs EnVy @Semi-Final
2015-03-16 20:55
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#171
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Costa Rica Gomezio
Well, to be fair, there's no brain needed to play EnVy's style.
2015-03-16 21:14
4 replies
Yeah wasn't this after nV forced 2/3 times in a row, losing them all?
2015-03-17 01:45
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#192
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Costa Rica Gomezio
I wasn't actually able to watch their match, I just meant in general. But that sounds like EnVy. They're just like HR, except they have enough talent to get away with it most of the time.
2015-03-17 01:47
2 replies
So why are they top 3 team, yet HR barely even scrapes top 10, if at all?
2015-03-17 09:02
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#275
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Costa Rica Gomezio
Well, EnVy's play isn't quite as brainless as HR's. And as I said, EnVy is talented enough to get away an HR style of play most of the time.
2015-03-17 12:39
LOL what arrogant did forest say?
2015-03-17 01:47
f0rest arrogant?! You obviously have no clue and don't speak Swedish.
2015-03-17 09:27
because kids jumps on the hate train.
2015-03-16 14:14
JW already apologized for that incident multiple times and also has stated that he feels like shit for acting that way towards their opponent.
2015-03-16 19:12
Well.. after listening to their pov stream I can say that they were the only team acting childish and disrespectful during Katowice. Calling the crowd retards because they were cheering for the other team. Calling Taz a stupid old man..the list goes on. They ARE toxic. It's a fact.
2015-03-17 02:09
3 replies
And nip aren't? every single team says stuff like that, a team's voice communications should not be broadcast for this exact reason.
2015-03-17 03:08
2 replies
haha no they are not.
2015-03-17 08:47
YEA THEY ARE, HOW DARE YOU ASK IF THE REDBULLS ARE FOR COMMERCIALS OR CAN YOU ATCUALLY DRINK EM?
2015-03-17 11:11
that was really NIP's fault tho... xD
2015-03-16 14:02
4 replies
yea.. but they would overlook it.. cuz it's NiP
2015-03-16 14:10
2 replies
heyhey i'm a BIG NIP fanboy and I don't overlook it! :D I think both of these teams have put that "event" behind them tho. I respect Fnatic
2015-03-16 16:15
1 reply
Finally 1 logical NiP fan :D
2015-03-17 15:08
#253
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United Kingdom jMz86
Not really their fault though is it? They still could have acted responsibly. I think we should all just forget about it, it's in the past and the players have got over it.
2015-03-17 10:12
ok, now a simple question: Do you know why they had that reaction? ok ty. /close
2015-03-16 14:12
living in the past dude, let it go, they aren't the same team and JW has apologized so many times as well as done so many nice things that people ignore. no h8 r8 8/8
2015-03-16 14:19
it was one time, doesnt happen anymore ;)
2015-03-16 14:20
i'm actually a giant nip fan, but this is just as unrespectful as nip replaying the overtime, which they still lost to fnatic before and after replaying. i can imagine being salty and badmouthing them after that happened. someone like taz would have been worse after that.
2015-03-16 15:08
Did you even watched the game? you probably have no idea what happened. They went overtime and dreamhack admin fucked up and made it 6 rounds. And NiP knew it suppose to be 10 rounds but they didn't' say anything. Then Fnc won, NIP started complaining to admin that it suppose to be 10 rounds. So they have to replay the overtime again that's why fnc were so angry, said in the video "was that a fair match now". I'm not an fnc fan but if it's me I'll be pretty mad too.
2015-03-16 18:51
do you know the story behind that an extra overtime round happened on accident and fnatic won it nip cryed that the extra round never should have happened but they replayed it and thats when the words were sayed not saying that they should have said it but thats the reason behind it
2015-03-16 19:09
Don't even have to click to see that you are one of those idiots linking to DH Bucharest forever. Get over it, everyone apologized and most of the line-up changed as well.
2015-03-17 01:49
"2013" So apparently the things you did and said two years ago define who you are today? That's the most retarded childish thing I have ever heard of. Let me try to explain why they're hated. The four top teams in the world are Virtus Pro, Envyus, Nip and Fnatic, but out of those four VP, NV and NiP are the only ones with a dedicated, large, vocal, arguably young (NiP and NV more-so than VP) fanbases. Virtus Pro has gained their following by being very charismatic, they are very easy to look up to, Envyus through pandering and fan interaction, and NiP just through history of being the best team in the world for a really long period of time. The Fnatic guys are some of the best players in the world, but they are not outspoken. They don't present themselves all that much in social media. They don't stream and such. They just play the game. They aren't really big on fan interaction. They don't have that long history of being the best in the world or anything. That's why they don't really have a large dedicated fanbase (yet?). Lets make one thing clear: fanboys are cancer. The only thing fanboys care about is their own team. They don't care about the scene itself, just the team. They will go out of their way to make their team look the best, even if it was required to bring down a rivaling team. While the pro's are battling it out in the game, the fanboys are having an all out war outside the game. Fnatic doesn't have as large of a dedicated fanbase as the rest of the team, so they're an easy target, it's easy to attack the team with accusations since there's no one really there to "protect" them. It seems like it baffles people that a team like Fnatic could be so good. Like, "who are these guys even I've never heard of them". They can't accept it. "What the fuck is a Flusha? Whatever it is there's no way he is that good he must be cheating". The hate that Fnatic has gathered is the result of fanboys trying to defend their favorite team by accusing of fnatic with shit (instead of actually talking about their favorite team). It's almost like Fnatic is the uniting factor for all fanboys. An unpopular team being the best in the world. "Oh you hate fnatic too, you're cool then I guess". Which kinda means that there's this Fnatic vs The World situation going on in the scene. TLDR: Fnatic vs The World mentality. Not really presenting them in social media or trying to make fans. No large established fanbase to fight back the hate.
2015-03-17 11:02
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+1 i sincerely hope that they continue rekting. They provide such good cs for us to enjoy!
2015-03-17 15:05
agreed, rare to see an intelligent post in hltv like this.
2015-03-17 17:15
#66
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Liechtenstein xLy^
People are always talking shit about how Fnatic is a horrible team, cause they are "rude", yet they are so busy calling JW a "pig", while posting hate threads, only due to the fact that they lost skins. HLTV logic is best logic.
2015-03-16 14:23
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#113
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Poland mrvl_net
Exactly.
2015-03-16 15:47
OMG thank you, you just restored my hope in HLTV <3
2015-03-16 16:18
+1 really bro nice.
2015-03-17 01:43
+1 people often accuse others but theybdo not look at themselves in thw mirror
2015-03-17 15:07
Exactly....... I loved the Fnatic organization ´cause of their great HoN and DotA team ( the players are just awesome personalities and stuff) but that&#347; the complete opposite of their CS team... I have nothing against Krimz/Pronax and Flusha... but Olof´s and JW´s behaviour and disrespect is just awful and i hate them for that... You could see that on DHW where 80% of the swedish fans were rooting for NiP and i can´t blame them for that.
2015-03-17 12:57
2 replies
What did Olof do?
2015-03-17 13:15
1 reply
^ +1
2015-03-17 18:04
you wont get respect just by giving respect, you have to earn it!
2015-03-17 13:24
The proof to the fact that majority hate them is when they won Katowice,i saw no one actually praising them.The threads i saw at that time was wp NiP,NiP nt, Tecnatic9 won etc. its always like this.which team will win is pretty much irrelevant,there will always be people who will complain and will bash winner nomatter what.remember cologne when nip won? it was exactly the same
2015-03-16 13:45
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Nope,i was there,and all i saw was NIP NIP NIP. Might be those rage betters who lost. In any way,this should not happen.
2015-03-16 13:50
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i mean on forum: "The threads i saw at that time was wp NiP,NiP nt, Tecnatic9 won etc." it was exactly the same..."nip lucky,nip won cs cobble" etc etc... and btw what is wrong about chearing for your favourite team? so crowd was on nips side,what is so disrespectful about it?
2015-03-16 13:53
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Again as i said,my intention is directed towards the whole community,Polish crowd was just an example. So many people supporting NIP and no one for fnatic,actually this is a deep reflection of the ratio there is for fnatic haters:to lovers. Thousands supporting NIP and no one fnatic,speaks for itself i guess,that most people dont like fnatic,rather than they love NIP
2015-03-16 13:57
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but what is disrespectful about it? so i dont respect fnatic because i do support nip? dont get me wrong,im actually fan of navi but that doesnt mean that i dont respect other teams.
2015-03-16 14:00
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Dont know why,i feel there were more Fnatic "Haters" in the crowd,than NiP lovers.
2015-03-16 14:03
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i wasnt there so i cant argue about that feeling.maybe you are right after all. i just wanted to say that the thing that you are cheering for team A doesnt mean that you dont respect team B:)
2015-03-16 14:05
yes ofc, they cheered for everybody who played against fnatic
2015-03-16 16:14
You do remember that fnatic did beat VP in semi? That probably had something to do with it.
2015-03-16 16:24
1 reply
Yep,that revenge blood :p
2015-03-16 16:51
#114
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Poland mrvl_net
Well, if you read the forums you can see most of the retards here don't think like that. Fnatic is getting hated for no reason by like 95% of mostly NiP, but also other teams, "fans".
2015-03-16 15:48
fnatic brought the hate on itself
2015-03-16 17:58
7 replies
Please give us an example (and i dont want to see that refuse handshake video look at #33 if you dont know what happened)
2015-03-16 19:12
6 replies
Unsportmanship behaviour by using the boost and flusha cheating his ass off in 2014
2015-03-16 19:57
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Flusha is innocent until proven guilty and the boost was not really a big deal ldlc could off used it themselves, and im 100% sure any team would off used it if they knew about it but fnatic forfeited anyway
2015-03-16 20:20
4 replies
Just explaining how they brought it on themselves, no need to go and defend them. IDC, fnatic stinks. Edit: kinda funny how you say innocent until proven guilty, but you're sure any team would've used that boost. Sure dude, solid logic.
2015-03-16 20:33
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What? No. It has been stated by many pro's that yes, they would have used the boost themselves had they known about it. Using gimmicks, glitches and boosts to win "unfairly" is nothing new.
2015-03-17 11:04
Why do people keep using that corny phrase "innocent until proven guilty"? This is not american judiciary system. Flusha situation looks to me like this: you kill a guy in the middle of the street in broad daylight. There are a ton of witnesses who saw a man wearing same clothes as you do, same shoes, same height, same tattoos on same places but can't tell without any doubt that it was you because you wore sunglasses. a.k.a. if it looks like shit, tastes like shit and smells like shit then it probably is shit.
2015-03-17 02:11
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nop, its synthitic shit, percieved as real shit sorr for bad english
2015-03-17 08:58
what ? if they don´t like them why they should give them support..crowd support who they like
2015-03-16 13:45
2 replies
Exactly How should we say this ? Is it the love for NiP or the hate for Fnatic,that compels them to support NIP ? The latter is surely not the case here.
2015-03-16 13:52
If the major had been in Sweden we would have gotten shit for not cheering at all teams : )
2015-03-16 16:21
Fnatic top1 in the world Haters gonna hate
2015-03-16 13:46
cool. sad that nobody like fnatic
2015-03-16 13:47
3 replies
i do
2015-03-16 14:03
i do
2015-03-17 12:46
Only fat nerds do.
2015-03-17 15:16
the hate makes fnatic stronker anyway why else you think they made that stupid video before katowice more hateful comments from retards = more fnatic headshots
2015-03-16 13:47
3 replies
No VIPerino :! ?
2015-03-16 13:58
1 reply
riperino viperino
2015-03-16 14:00
+1 blue kid that video was obvious trolling
2015-03-17 12:47
#12
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Sweden jaxthegod
cry me a river bby
2015-03-16 13:49
People like NiP more in general. Not sure why though. I am convinced that flusha has been cheating judging by the clips online. I don't think he still does. They are a good team, I agree. I believe people dislike the fact that they are successful with armor & pistol buys which is an aspect of the game with a lot of controversy. Being able to kill someone with weapons that are, by many, concidered to be overpowered does not gain any respect.
2015-03-16 13:49
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"People like NiP more in general. Not sure why though." NIP gained a big fanbase in the beginning of CSGO. Many started watching the matches during the time that NIP was at the top and started following them with bigger interest I guess. That's how most team in any sport gets their fans. Combine this with the reaction of Fnatic when they won a game vs NIP. (You probably know which game and which videa I'm referring to)And also the boost the did on Overpass. I Think these 2things is the reason people dislike Fnatic. Apart from that I Think that the Flusha accusations and the whining about them using the OP weapons too much ( First there was JW and the CZ-75 and now there is Olof and Rekt-9) is just excuses to the fact that Fnatic atm is the best team in the World.
2015-03-16 13:59
1 reply
nip had a huge support following them from gtr and forest and just having the nip tag as well.
2015-03-16 15:11
Seriously ? The 16 tic "Bugged" GOTV demos make you believe that someone hacks ? I am afraid.
2015-03-16 14:01
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Ofc not. I am fully aware of the fact that some things look wierd on 16 tick. I have own demos when I shoot before someone appears and they magically die. But the frags flusha make on those occasions are dodgy enough to disprove them as legit even concidering the 16-tick demos. I know you don't know who I am, what knowledge I have within this game or how I react to questionable events. I am careful with who I blame and for what. I believe he did cheat and I could talk to you about details. There are even other professionals who think he does cheat. There's for example an 8 minute long video of Shox saying he's convinced flusha did cheat. If you're interested: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbVRcf0qIr4 EDIT: Wall of text, sorry :)
2015-03-16 16:04
2 replies
this is only a wall of text to your average HLTV user
2015-03-17 08:56
1 reply
Hehe perhaps. But for all I know this was sent to an average HLTV user :)
2015-03-17 15:53
+1
2015-03-16 14:40
I feel like this post makes no sense. If the crowd supports NiP, it is because they want NiP to win. Where is the "respect"-part in this? One man can choose who he supports. Let's take me as an example. Just because fnatic won the event, it does not mean that I will support them. I support LGB cause I find them more interesting. GZ on fnaticwin, but it does not want me to change my support to "the winning team".
2015-03-16 13:52
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My aim was totally towards the community, The example of polish crowd was just a small phrase in it.
2015-03-16 13:53
Totally agree weird post. I feel like he is sitting on his high horse pointing fingers at us, for not golf clapping at fnatic victory. I accept fnatic, but I don't respect fnatic. A lot of people mix those 2 words up. I find it very hard to sympathize with a team like fnatic. Who has a cheater on their team. Which shit talked NIP when they won a lan. Who has said to Valve they would report any bugs, but keeping bugs secret for months, to abuse it in a major. Respect is something you gain if you do stuff that people admire, and lose if you do stuff that put you in discredit. Simple as that. I am not a "fan" of any team. But I like NIP because of their story. Because I have been following 1.6 / source. Where I did follow get_right, f0rest, xizt, and fifflaren. I did follow all of them from the very beginning till they broke through and became big players. At the same time, then they have a nice history building their team around real life chemistry with Heaton, and every player seem to be very friendly, and sympathetic in their personality. That they have been together for so long, is also a beautiful thing in a world where people are leaving in each in game, and in real life relationships after 3 months max. This is just a few thoughts. But with all that stuff adding up. I understand why people like NIP much more than fnatic.
2015-03-16 14:08
12 replies
I find it very hard to sympathize with a team like fnatic. Who has a cheater on their team. Even after winning esl if you feel they are still cheating then you should stop playing this game zzzz....
2015-03-16 14:14
9 replies
How do you know I play this game? I think I have more proof for flusha hacking, than you have for me playing this game.
2015-03-16 14:17
8 replies
Only proof is VAC ban... if you can show me that then ok
2015-03-16 14:18
7 replies
Only proof for Armstrong being doped, is the anti-doping agency saying so? Then well okay.
2015-03-16 14:19
4 replies
If they have proof then yes!
2015-03-16 14:22
3 replies
You said that the only proof "was" a vac ban. With that logic, you blindly believe in what some other people say. Blindly following authority without "knowing" yourself. That is not a proof. If vac lied about a ban. That would be proof for you, and therefore an incorrect way to base your definition of proof. Vac are just a bunch of humans like you and I, and they have and will make mistakes. Everyone who has ever played counterstrike or any fps game, and looks at the flusha aimlock clips, knows it is not natural. Even Shox says it is not natural, and I understand if you don't believe me. But if Shox says so. Don't you think he knows what he is talking about? The thing with Armstrong was that they covered him for years. Even though he did cheat. Do you not have imagination enough to understand that he could be cheating, without getting caught by vac yet?
2015-03-16 14:28
2 replies
VAC are a bunch oh humans? HAHAHAHA Good joke mate! If you don't know what VAC is then sorry my friend I cannot continue with this discussion... Plus to answer you second question.. yes i know that vac could be by passed before kqly got caught.. after that i think valve and esea must have figured out the loopholes in their system.
2015-03-16 14:34
1 reply
And yes VAC is a team, who has made some software/program to detect cheating. Does it make your case better that you blindly believe in some software? That's the difference between you and I. You believe that VAC has no loopholes. Science says otherwise. I can live with your belief.
2015-03-16 14:51
"Only proof is VAC ban" broly is legit then
2015-03-16 15:30
1 reply
Exactly
2015-03-17 09:56
#118
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Poland mrvl_net
"I accept fnatic, but I don't respect fnatic. A lot of people mix those 2 words up. I find it very hard to sympathize with a team like fnatic. Who has a cheater on their team. Which shit talked NIP when they won a lan. Who has said to Valve they would report any bugs, but keeping bugs secret for months, to abuse it in a major." Community-confirmed cheater, that is. They "shit-talked" NiP, cause pussies couldn't accept the defeat and they had to beat them twice for it to actually count, btw, that was a whole other roster, so it doesn't count. Boost was controvertial, agreed. People generally hate them, cause they're the best and they aren't NiP, that's the truth. I never did and never will understand why people like NiP so much, but that's just another story. I'm not a fan of fnatic, but I'm not that blind to not see that at the moment they are superior to every team on the scene. They should be respected even solely because of the skill they possess, no matter if you like them or not.
2015-03-16 15:55
1 reply
+1 good point !!!
2015-03-17 14:23
Finally someone with some brain. But... ...''Nobody hacks on their team.'', Im pretty sure someone there hacked somewhere last year some couple of matches for sure, maybe just in online games.
2015-03-16 13:52
7 replies
With these strict security checks during the tournament. I dont think they hack,this tournament is a strong example of how good these guys are and that they dont hack.
2015-03-16 13:55
4 replies
They used bulletdissapear hack on allu. fuck them cheaters.
2015-03-16 14:03
2 replies
Kappa? If you are serious, please hang yourself.
2015-03-16 14:05
1 reply
xD
2015-03-16 14:07
Yeah yeah, they are talented guys and all that. But in 2k14, somewhere someone in that team hacked before for sure, and you know about who Im talking. But this tourney, well deserved.
2015-03-16 14:04
nobody HACKS he didnt say hacked, at this tournament no one had the ability to cheat
2015-03-16 14:41
1 reply
''Nobody hacks on their team.'' <--- which I think he mean overall, not just this tournament.
2015-03-16 15:04
Fnatic deserved it, but they are a highly unlikable team.
2015-03-16 13:55
9 replies
and many stopped watching nip during 87-0. comes with success
2015-03-16 14:08
#68
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Finland jayss
What makes them so unlikeable? There's not a single reason to hate on any of the players, especially the amount of shit flusha gets is just ridiculous.
2015-03-16 14:25
7 replies
You are playing dumb? It's not really only one thing that bothers people. You saw the awful DH Bucharest video, the boost abuse, cheating allegations and frankly... the looks.
2015-03-16 14:37
6 replies
#81
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Finland jayss
DH Bucharest had definitely immature action for JW and Devilwalk's part, but they have matured from it times ago and they've had good ties with NiP players for quite a while. The boost was something they wanted to try at the heat of the moment, it was confirmed being illegal after the game hence the staff suggested a rematch, however Fnatic themselves decided to give the win to LDLC and dropped out of the tournament ignoring the prize money. Cheating allegations? Should've known you're just another idiot simply jumping on the bandwagon, you probably take every HLTV post for granted. I don't even need to say anything about the last statement, you've proved yourself to be a dickhead.
2015-03-16 14:51
1 reply
The boost was fine for a few rounds, but spamming it for the whole half was real shit. Anyway I see you are a troll.
2015-03-16 15:30
DH Bucharest - two years ago. 3 of the players are not even playing for fnatic anymore. They apologized countless times. You actually still digging up this event shows that you are just a blind hater who will hate on fnatic no matter what. It is actually useless to argue with idiots like you, so I have no idea why I am even going on... Boost abuse - LDLCry's boost was just as illegal, yet nobody cried about it. fnatic's was just thousand times better. Cheating - not a single proof, only an idiot would consider shitty gifs a proof. The looks - being a shallow asshole is what is to be expected from a fnatic hater.
2015-03-17 01:56
3 replies
Just wondering, can fnatic fanboys make a comment without insulting people who don't think like them? Tbh honest, i kinda liked fnatic before the DH. The boost was awfull anybody saying that the boost of LDLC is the same thing is biased AF. They should have reported it, that what they're supposed to do. I'm even more disapointed about admins who should have shut it down. Even if they disapointed me twice with their attitude i don't care much about that, water under the bridge and anyway they're the best atm. If i'd have to give the main reason i don't like Fnatic atm, it would be their fanbase. If u don't think like them you are : A kid, a nip fanboy, shit, dumb. And all of them are like that especially u. U just have to read all the comments u've made on this thread to see that u insult everybody just for giving u politly their opinion. And if u're not to lazy, read all the comments of the people defending them, pretty much the same thing. Fnatic's fans are really not helping them to comeback in people's symphaty. Oh and yeah before you start, i'm no kid, not stupid and not a fanboy of any team at all.
2015-03-17 10:17
2 replies
Hard to tell since I am not a fanboy, but a fan. I was supporting fnatic ever since they first appeared in 1.6, so... Toodles. The LDLC's boost was the same thing in a sense that they too broke the rules. fnatic just broke the rules better. Their fanbase is quite ok, compared to f.e. NiP/VP kids, who will rabidly attack everyone saying anything negative about their gods. I think you are deliberately overlooking the fact that everyone who cheered for fnatic was labeled as a supporter of cheaters, also kids calling fnatic players pigs doesn't really help your case as those fankids are truly proper shitheads. The main reason for my rather vicious comments is my belief that 80% of the crowd cheering for NiP didn't even like NiP all that much, they just either hate fnatic, or hate that fnatic sent VP home. But I stand my ground on the above comment - if someone hates the team because of their looks, well then he is a shallow ass.
2015-03-17 15:03
1 reply
+1
2015-03-17 15:10
Next esl cologne 2015 for NiP
2015-03-16 13:59
"It was really bad to see the polish crowd just supporting NiP." Did you ever watched the match ? Looks like not. I could hear more times "FANATIC" than "NIP" from crowd but w/e.
2015-03-16 14:09
4 replies
Well seems like u wasnt watching the game. Crowd was obviously on NIPs side.
2015-03-16 14:14
3 replies
Stop talking bullshit. I was at crowd in Grand Final and it was a little bit NIP favorite like 60%-40% but saying "It was really bad to see the polish crowd just supporting NiP." Is not fair and you shoud go back to cave you fnatic fanboy.
2015-03-16 14:17
1 reply
It was 90:10 in NiP's favor. And yes, I was at the crowd. There was one tiny enclave of fnatic fans chanting only to be overruled by NiP kids immediately after. You could even hear people booing at fnatic, while they were applauding NiP after almost every point of damage dealt. They celebrated every kill like they won the trophy already. Totally biased crowd, I enjoyed it very much when fnatic won and all those kids around me become silent. I laughed and laughed and laughed... Also, Polish dumbheads chanting Virtus.Pro before the final match was.. well... non sense? Why would they chant the name of the team which is not even playing? Shows how dumb those Poles are. I suppose that's why they supported NiP, because fnatic send Shitus.Pro packing.
2015-03-17 02:04
Are people honestly surprised? Remember DREAMHACK WINTER last year? Fnatic was just another team, like it wasn't even Swedish. NiP is obviously gonna get a shit-load more love... Just by having those names, everyone is familiar with GTR, f0rest...
2015-03-16 14:19
Can't force me to respect them!
2015-03-16 14:11
Every sport has to have their heroes and anti-heroes. Anti-hero is usually the one who always wins and then comes the "challenger" who might beat all the odds and win. Have you ever watched the movies?
2015-03-16 14:24
Respect fnatic, the better team won on the day
2015-03-16 14:26
I agree
2015-03-16 14:27
Respect for Fnatic. They were flawless in this tournament!
2015-03-16 14:33
fnatic have proved themselves they werent cheating in this tournament, i fucking hate the kids who always cry tec9 this tec9 that "fnatic have managed to cheat throughout all the heavy security check", "kick allu, maikeleleelleele best", im more glad NiP lost than fnatic won, cause these fanboys are so annoying.
2015-03-16 14:38
5 replies
So you are no better than the NiP fanboys, cool.
2015-03-16 14:52
2 replies
Elaborate
2015-03-16 15:21
#119
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Poland mrvl_net
Not really, I can honestly say NiP fanboys are the worst, even worse than VP's fanboys. Whenever NiP loses, they just direct all the hate on fnatic, no matter if the game was actually versus them or not, they praise the mighty gtr for killing 2 ppl from behind and miraculously winning the round but when he fails a famas spray with like 50 ammo on a guy with 10 hp, nobody says a word.
2015-03-16 15:59
"fnatic have proved themselves they werent cheating in this tournament" Are you saying fnatic won despite not having cheated here, or with this win proved that no member of fnatic had ever cheated in the past? Some might claim both, however, they're not the same thing.
2015-03-16 15:25
1 reply
They havent cheated in this specific tournament
2015-03-16 15:53
I respect olofmeister also.
2015-03-16 14:41
NiP will always be the respected team cus of all mentally drained 12 year old fans they got (still cryin about NiP vs Fnatic DH 2013).. Fnatic has always been my favourite team, they're almost always 2-3 times above the other teams.
2015-03-16 14:52
I respect them but imo flusha hax in the past.
2015-03-16 14:53
polish crowd was supporting both teams on final
2015-03-16 14:58
5 replies
dont lie, a few claps by lol kids is not supporting by crowd also fnatic won only because of bugs. allu was hiting with awp but those hits werent registered by the server. fishy as fuck
2015-03-16 15:00
4 replies
i'm not talking about why fnatic win or why nip lost but polish crowd was supporting both teams on final did you even watch the finals? and acutally they supported fnatic more than nip
2015-03-16 15:08
3 replies
what? i was hearing nip nip all the time. fnatic wasnt shouted even once at katowice. i was there and the only support for fnatic was clapping by some dumb kids from LoL.
2015-03-16 15:13
1 reply
To be fair they did shout fnatic couple of times during the grand final. It was nowhere near the constant NiP chanting though.
2015-03-17 02:10
No, they totally weren't. It was one tiny enclave of fnatic fans against the rest who were celebrating every frag NiP made like they won the whole tournament. If you actually were in the arena during the finals, then you know yourself you are lying. If you honestly think otherwise, I suggest checking up on your hearing, because there is obviously an issue there.
2015-03-17 02:09
Congrats Fnatic. Best team won.
2015-03-16 15:04
+1
2015-03-16 15:06
they havent dont anything wrong
2015-03-16 15:08
first they abuse imba cz, now they abuse inba tec9
2015-03-16 15:14
1 reply
I would call that logic,Utilize everything legit in game. They arent stopping any one for using tec9
2015-03-16 15:21
esl pov1 on twitch there were 2,000 people watching. (fnatic voices) esl pov 2 on twitch there were 40,000 people watching. (NiP voices)
2015-03-16 15:20
They won katowica without flusha cheating Im amazed gg fnatec9
2015-03-16 15:21
crowd during this event always cheered for underdogs.
2015-03-16 15:29
fnatic won major but NiP won my heart youtube.com/watch?v=dKr6F6hOVZQ&feature=.. i'm not NiP fan gay but NiP is #1 for me
2015-03-16 15:51
People won't change their poorly formed opinions on fnatic easily. I kind of look at it as fnatic against the world. Listening to them shut up such a biased crowd was sweet.
2015-03-16 16:26
3 replies
Haha, indeed! It was the best moment of the grand final for me. When they won that last round and every 14yo kid just shut up. I laughed for solid 3 minutes. My hands still hurt from clapping right next to their ears :D
2015-03-17 02:12
2 replies
XD They even said in their TS during the match against VP I think, 'Let's shut this crowd up.'
2015-03-17 07:36
1 reply
They said it during the finals for sure :) Didn't saw the com pov against VP, but I am sure they said something along those lines as well :)
2015-03-17 14:53
I never understood the whole "it's bad the crowd only support NiP" deal. Why do people have to cheer for a team if they prefer the other one?
2015-03-16 16:33
respect fnatic
2015-03-16 16:34
I agree you should respect their talent and achievements. But you cant force anyone to like something/someone they dont. It just doesnt work like that.
2015-03-16 16:36
Nice try flusha
2015-03-16 18:03
Imo.. the crowd cheer for both teams in the finale , they werent like the swedes - buuuuing. stop cry.
2015-03-16 18:56
dewilwalk is such a show off... With his suit, omg, i felt awkward because of him.
2015-03-16 18:58
1 reply
I feel you :D
2015-03-16 20:45
Who the fuck would praise such guys? Fnatic might be the best team atm, but they'll never have the respect and the status NiP has...
2015-03-16 19:00
1 reply
I am sure this would be their general reaction to your post: reactiongifs.com/r/single-on-valentines...
2015-03-17 02:13
Fnatic Most Respect... Virtus Pro also Respect but Audience Katowice biased No Respect..
2015-03-16 19:00
+50 100% agree
2015-03-16 19:02
Don't like them. I respect their hard work and congratulate them for it but nothing else.
2015-03-16 19:03
All majors should be played in a double elimination format twice. It's the only way to remove at least 50% of randomness from this game.
2015-03-16 20:25
''It was really bad to see the polish crowd just supporting NiP.'' lol if they support nip its there choice.. why do you even bring it up?
2015-03-16 20:34
#158
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Norway SlimeThug
You are absolutely right. They don't deserve to the treated like this considering how hard they are working. The NiP era is over for now. Get over it beta fanboys
2015-03-16 20:40
Nobody hacks on their team. - maybe now, but not in the past
2015-03-16 20:49
+1
2015-03-16 20:58
#170
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Turkey oguzhan83
Just because of Fnatic haters, i am a true fan of Fnatic and hate NIP. By the way olofmeister is the most complete CS GO player in the world
2015-03-16 21:01
Team of assholes and exploiters who are rude besides why does anyone root for them? 95% Bandwagon fans only that need to back the winner because of some sort of mental disability. The other 5% percent are as bush league as them and believe in exploiting to win and doing it at any cost.
2015-03-16 23:10
And CS:GO it's a democratic game. As they could use tec-9 the others team could use it too
2015-03-17 01:00
I actually felt for flusha during the event. So much shit and he still pushes through. I didn't root for fnatic, but I am glad that flusha did well.
2015-03-17 01:03
2 replies
TBH I think he cheated, but at least he is clean now. And because there is no (anticheat) proof I settle for that. I think he's a person that is affected by peer pressure very easily and therefore started to cheat. + A bit low self esteem as nearly all "hidden"-cheaters tend to have. Not all scenes are blatant, but 2 are beyond my doubts. youtube.com/watch?v=2tfyHmyjC9w
2015-03-17 01:47
1 reply
If there is one clip that I would put as the sole piece of evidence I would put forward the Inferno clip from Katowice last year against LGB. The chance of that actually happening in the way it did is like 0.000000001%
2015-03-17 01:51
Never
2015-03-17 01:06
#Respect Fnatic
2015-03-17 01:23
NiP and Fnatic are the coolest teams in the scene atm, just look on their POV's from Katowice
2015-03-17 01:25
Stop reading after: Nobody hacks on their team.... p.s i'm fnatic fanboy #kappa
2015-03-17 01:41
i like fnatic plays, as players they deserve it, but jw and flusha completely retards, and i dont like that new fnatic video
2015-03-17 01:43
Flusha had none of his aimlock plays this tournament and still played well, I guess without his cheats, (if he had any), he's still a top class player
2015-03-17 01:44
1 reply
#210
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Poland LGf
i believe he was and many other players was cheating too and they all stop after kqly ban. Sadly valve rush their bans and not caught many on wave. Thats why they r still on top cause other players drop on skill too Byali :> ;)
2015-03-17 02:27
nice try flusha
2015-03-17 01:48
I think it could be a good thing that fnatic is hated. Everyone likes a good heal. A common enemy really unites people and makes them more passionate. That being said, this is HLTV/csgo and some of the things said about them are absolutely awful.
2015-03-17 01:54
Never.
2015-03-17 02:18
If you are Real fan, and you are on El Classico, and Barcelona have won everything they could. You need to cheer for Barcelona or for Real?
2015-03-17 02:19
#209
NEO | 
Poland LGf
No, no1 is forced to like or respect anybody just cause he is best or good or whatever reason. They won good for them i will keep cheering for teams i like when they win or lose to make sure they r feeling good and supported. And if fnatic because of own behavior is not able to earn respect and there is not enough fans to shout their name its their problem not ours and we should not be blame. U dont like this? buy ticker to next lan and support your team
2015-03-17 02:22
#211
NEO | 
Poland LGf
//double
2015-03-17 02:28
Powerfull team,nothing to say more...
2015-03-17 02:52
Fnatic are used to this even in Sweden crowd is going crazy for NiP and doesn't show the same level of respect and love for Fnatic. Whether you respect them as people or not doesn't really matter the fact is we know even the haters respect how good they are at CS Go. Hatred is a dangerous thing, it blinds ignorant people from reality show love not hate make the scene a better environment for everyone.
2015-03-17 03:04
2 replies
"show love not hate make the scene a better environment for everyone." If they had done that before instead of their unsportsmanlike behavior, they wouldn't be in that position with 80% of the community hating on them. I kinda respect them as players, they're the best without a doubt. But they're also douchebags cocky kids with no respect, so it makes it kinda hard to like them. They can only blame themsleves for how they've acted in the past.
2015-03-17 08:27
Well the community is not responsible for the truly bad actions against their opponents and even their own members (look up shneiders removal) they are reprehensible people who don't deserve your "love" and don't even show it to people they have known many years who helped contribute to the teams success. But you can think we're blind, it's ok.
2015-03-17 21:15
fnatic are the best in the world... the reason no one looks up to them they way they should (like with nip/vp etc) is because of their attitude.. Yes you are good, yes you are the best in the world at the moment.. but your attitude sucks. your csgo PR needs improving.. without stupid gay videos that make you look like try hard wankers.
2015-03-17 03:21
1 reply
I dont know how the Fnatic team comes across at home, but in real life they are actually great guys. I always enjoy talking to them whenever there is time at events and they´re always very relaxed and friendly. After Pantamera in Stockholm, we went for kebabs and sat around a hotel room talking about how good the Tec9 was and who could be the best in 6 months ect, they are just regular people who like kebab and Counter-strike. Remember that not all personalities translate equally well through a camera and what you see on twitch is rarely a very good indication of what people are actually like.
2015-03-17 03:43
ok sachin i agree
2015-03-17 03:28
As far as I can tell there are two big events that have made some people, have some kind of irrational hatred for that Fnatic guys. One was the "lets not shake hands with NiP after beating them" when Moddii was on the team, which is just ridiculous. It was stupid for the players to act like they did, but honestly also somewhat a human reaction from some very young players who at the time felt like they were being almost cheated out of a huge win against NiP on LAN. Its fine that people gave them some criticism back then, but its really time to move on. The next one is obviously the olofm boost, and Ive tried speaking about this with a lot of people at every event since, and it seems to me like most people dont really even blame Fnatic or olof for that so much as they blame the fact that it was even possible or that no admin stopped it while it was ongoing. Regardless, this issue has also been discussed a lot already, and I dont see why the best team we have in the scene should have to be under this cloud of anger/bitterness now 4 or 5 months later.
2015-03-17 03:40
2 replies
Guys who seem to be 'manly' guys tend to be whiny and oversenstive :)
2015-03-17 15:11
The boost/2 frags happened 30 sec into the second round the admin would have to be over their shoulder ready to pounce in order to stop it and once they did it one time the game was already compromised so you'd have to stop the game, which wasn't in their best interest with hundreds of thousands of viewers. Don't start blaming admins for valves and fnatics issue.
2015-03-17 21:21
maybe they are disliked because they are playing with at least 1 player, who was obviously cheating? oh no, wait. flusha didnt get vac banned. so no proof! lmao addition: remember the jw "organner-gate" and the nice videos of olofmeister some months ago. there are several reasons to dislike fnatic. start with "playing with flusha" and end with "unsportsmanlike behaviour". you have never seen suspicious videos from nip-players, nor they did show an unsportsmanlike behaviour. thats the reason why most of the people like NiP more than fnatic. To get respect you have to do a lot more than winning a major. and thats where fnatic fails hard.
2015-03-17 04:22
+ Flusha even gave part of his money to get Keyd in the tournament qualifiers. Without Flusha we wouldn't have seen keyd even qualify to attend, let alone secure a spot for next year .
2015-03-17 07:39
Reason why all love nip - 1. Always in finals of a major 2. When I satarted the 1st team I knew was NiP ( most of the ppl also knew nip only ) 3. Tweeday awesome nip movies 4. GTR , FOREST
2015-03-17 07:49
+1
2015-03-17 07:51
Fnatic till death
2015-03-17 08:29
Why I don't respect Fnatic: TLDR: Fnatic has shown unsportsmanlike behaviour in the past and gloat over others. I acknowledge Fnatic as the best team in the world, but I don't respect them. You might say that I'm licking NiP's assholes, but they're right behind Fnatic with nV and VP behind them. The reason why I don't respect Fnatic is the boost during Dreamhack 2014. That boost is not intended by the map developers and most definitely not legit and fair. It was an exploit and a bug that Fnatic hid from Valve. I can't link you to a reddit post but this boost was originally posted on YouTube and was asked to be taken down by Fnatic before it could receive the attention of Valve. Unsportsmanlike behaviour by Fnatic the last major lost my respect for them but I still acknowledge them for their win over NiP @ Katowice. A lot of people have been complaining over the Tec-9 Rampage Fnatic used to rape teams @ Katowice but they don't realize that everyone has the opportunity to use the gun. Not saying that it's not overpowered though, olofm got 34 kills with it, and 35 kills with an AK. I also lost my respect for Valve for their slow updates and fixing of overpowered weapons that leads to extensive usage of the weapons before its fixed. * cough cough * LDLCZ FNATEC * cough cough * The fact that Fnatic mocks the community by changing their profile picture on social media to FNATEC seemingly to aggravate the already salty fans of other teams also made me respect them less. Why I don't respect NBK: (Off-Topic) TLDR: He's too cocky. He gloats on social media and picks fights with others. NBK is also extremely cocky and comes off as an arrogant person to me. (He is good at the game and has a reason to be arrogant but come on, be humble mate?) Why I support NiP: TLDR: Underdogs LOL NiP lost their dominance in the CS scene after their 87-0 streak ended. I mean directly after Dreamhack Winter 2013. That's their fall/demise. They failed at Katowice 2014 and surprisingly (unorthodox methods?) performed really well on the newer maps which led to speculations that they were given early map release to practice. NiP faltered at Dreamhack Winter as well and fucked up all their online cups until Fifflaren retired. They perform extremely well at majors and always make it to the finals where they screw up again. It's the NiP curse (Thoorin calls the NiP magic- I disagree). The reason why I support NiP is because I want to see them at number one again as they did in the very beginning of Counter Strike Global Offensive.
2015-03-17 09:03
10 replies
To add on, I respect Fnatic as fantastic players but do not respect their playing methods. EG) I like Olofm and Krimz a lot but not so much for the rest.
2015-03-17 09:04
"The reason why I don't respect Fnatic is the boost during Dreamhack 2014" - fun fact: the boost all the other teams made was also illegal. Please get your head out of your ass and stop being a fucking retard. and just to add on: their so-called disrespect towards NiP in that match, was when NiP whined themselves to another overtime after fnatic beat them. Because they (NiP) thought wrong about the RULES about BO3 or BO5. And to top it with some springles, that was a different fnatic lineup. How is it mocking the community changing their profile picture to fnatec, when VALVe fucked it up big time with the changes of the pistols and people from the community even made it... What playing methods do you not acknowledge from them? NBK is using humor on twitter. Not mocking people. You gave no valuable argument of why you're supporting NiP. You seem more and more like a person who just followed HLTV autistic logic.
2015-03-17 09:15
8 replies
Obviously you commented before reading entirely. :( I don't respect them because they told someone to take down a video on YouTube and hid the exploit/but from Valve for months so that they can use it in the major.
2015-03-17 09:11
7 replies
Read my edit. I've read what you've said. You gave many other reasons of why you disrespect them. So...someone discovers something, puts it on youtube and fnatic want that as their secret weapon at a big tourney, is now a bad thing? If I remember correctly, the guy who stated that he was messaged by fnatic were actually called out / debunked. edit: It's all cool that people support other teams. But don't call out disrespect and turn into fans/supporters/hooligans like in football. It's getting sad. Respect other teams like, most of them, respect eachother.
2015-03-17 09:21
6 replies
1) The reason why I considered it a bad thing was because its not right to hide a bug to use it for themselves. The reason why it's uploaded to YouTube in the first place is to gain exposure on this bug so that Valve is able to respond to it. If the video is taken down, then valve wouldn't know about it and wouldn't fix it so that overpowered things that ruin the fun of the game exist. But if that guy was actually called out to be lying about it, then I'm sorry for providing wrong information. Either way, it's a game changing exploit that should be fixed since it wasn't intended at all. 2) I never mentioned Dreamhack Valencia 2013 and find fault in NiP as well in that case. 3) Playing methods as in making use and taking advantage of overpowered things that are not fixed yet in general. I'm pretty sure they have entire strategies made for Tec-9 buys, which I acknowledge. 4) NBK's tweets in general are really cocky. * posts picture of gold medals, "can't wait for another one after Katowice!" "16-2 win over F3! Felt like I was AFK on the B site though." s1mple got really agitated and attacked NBK back. As professional players, one should know the limit and stop harassing others. Just my opinion. 5) I just support NiP because they are considered as the underdogs and I want them to go back to No.1 ._. Do I really need a reason to support them in the first place? 6) Let's try to be polite to each other discussing things on a forum and not insult each other because of an opinion that you disagree with. Don't make the Internet a worse place than it already is. + I'm acknowledging Fnatic's display of skill and capabilities, not hating on them. OP asked for reasons why Fnatic is hated by the General public and I gave him my opinion on the matter and explained why I don't respect them.
2015-03-17 09:40
3 replies
1) It wasn't concidered as a bug until there were looked further into it. Just like the boost the other teams did the entire tourney. BOTH BOOSTS WERE ILLEGAL! 2) What are you refering to then with "unsportsmanlike behavior"? 3) Playing methods which every team had the advantage of doing and even used. Did fnatic do a better job at it? You decide. But don't hate them for doing something every other team did. 4) NBK's tweets are not cocky. Come on, he is using humor.. Don't be so sensitive. They're allowed to do so. Just like football players can. 5) You tried to give a reason for you to support NiP, so you can be the judge of that. 6) The reasons you gave for hating on them are absurd. You are behaving just like football fans. Being blind of the things the team that you support are doing wrong. Have excuses for that matter or taking it more lightly.. I am not asking you to support fnatic (or every team) in their every matter. But cut some slack and don't call out disrespect. The teams or players that deserves it, are the ones that does matchfixing, cheating e.g. inb4 fnatic cheat.
2015-03-17 09:57
2 replies
Illegal by pixel walking you mean? Because for me if it is pixel walking or not is irrelevant, what really matters is if the advantage you gain is gamebreaking or not, the former being fnatic's case.
2015-03-17 10:58
1 reply
Both boosts were and is concidered illegal because you could, with both spots, see through textures. You can search on google after it yourself.
2015-03-17 11:08
So...someone discovers something, puts it on youtube and fnatic want that as their secret weapon at a big tourney, is now a bad thing? Something - pixel walking Secret weapon - view of the entire map through skyboxes. bad thing - your brain No seriously do you even sports?
2015-03-17 21:32
1 reply
I've been doing sports since I was 3 years old, but thanks for asking though. It was only found out that he was pixelwalking and not on the edge until after the game. Why? Because it actually looked like he was standing on the edge. Does it look like it was through skyboxes? Not really. But to make things clear, the boost the other teams made, actually also had view through skyboxes. I know it's a though cookie for a smartass. Next thing you're gonna say is probably that fnatic should've figured it out, because they could see so much of the map. Oh, I see.. A fan of GeT_RiGhT who has to hate, because NiP and fnatic are rivals. Yeah. Become that jerk of a fan.
2015-03-17 22:15
JW has one of those "just punch me" faces
2015-03-17 09:04
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Israel sbd123
tbh i cant agree more! altough im a nip fan fnatic did desarve to win!
2015-03-17 09:04
I don't like fnatic since They ignored the handshake. Maybe their egoism is the main problem.
2015-03-17 09:05
3 replies
I used to hate Fnatic for the same reason until I heard why they actually refused to handshake. I could've done the same without calling other names so can't really hate them for that.
2015-03-17 09:45
2 replies
Can You give me the information You have about it? :)
2015-03-17 12:44
1 reply
I've heard the situation was something like this: NiP whined about irrelevant rule after losing to Fnatic. They had to replay the match again and Fnatic won it again. After that they refused to handshake them. Of course it would be a good sportsmanship to handshake even after that but can't really blame them. I still don't like how they (3 of Fnatic's members) called names but JW was a kiddo back then and 2 of them doesn't play for Fnatic anymore.
2015-03-17 12:51
+1
2015-03-17 10:02
Fnatec fanboy detected!!
2015-03-17 10:08
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World doh
fnatec-9
2015-03-17 10:15
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United Kingdom jMz86
It's not disrespectful to support one team over the other. NIP have the biggest fan base in CS:GO so they are going to make more noise for them against most teams. The only team that got more noise than NIP at Katowice were VP and that is for obvious reasons. Fnatic are definitely the best team at the moment and have been for a while, the "boost gate" didn't help them and hurt their reputation a bit but they have bounced back well.
2015-03-17 10:15
I'm clearly nip fan but i can say that fnatic won clearly and deserved it since they played awesome inferno. Any team used rekt9 so i don't see any reason to judge them.
2015-03-17 10:32
3 replies
Yeah,Making the most out of a OP pistol is nothing bad to do,dont know why other teams didnt make the most out of it,if thats the case.
2015-03-17 10:39
2 replies
It was mostly Olof anyway, he got 50 kills while the other Fnatic players got a combined 28 kills with it.
2015-03-17 11:29
1 reply
He made the most out of that OP gun,correct ?
2015-03-17 12:38
You cant judge them on using tech-9, it is available for every team. Dosen't make sense people whine about it.
2015-03-17 10:45
2 replies
Yes
2015-03-17 10:50
but like in mm, runnung and spraying like fucking silver-idiot - not to show ur skill, they are bad at aiming.
2015-03-17 11:02
love fnatic, always done always will:)
2015-03-17 11:07
ammagad, let it the fuck go, shit happens, if it was nip doing that you would say its ok so plz stfu #life
2015-03-17 11:08
fnatic is the most hated team so far. For a lot of reasons. -They are arrogants, with bad manners and behaviors - flusha has cheated in the past for sure and every non blind person knows it.
2015-03-17 11:24
2 replies
There's no "for sure". Stop. Just stop.
2015-03-17 11:31
1 reply
ofc there is.. haha. It is even more obvious since these crazy aimlocks have stopped now, after the leaks
2015-03-17 15:58
No respect for fnatic. youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ
2015-03-17 11:27
It is not true that crowd supported just nip. If you weren't there, you should not make assumptions. I was there and I can assure you, there were a lot of fnatic supporters. In fact I haven't ever heared so many people chanting "fanatic" the love for nip was just much stronger. Moreover, crowd could appreciate every good action, like cool headshots as much nip's as fnatic's.
2015-03-17 13:00
They won because they abused an overpowered pistol, just look at olof's stats in katowice. Just as ldlc/envy abused overpowered cz.
2015-03-17 13:03
Why should I support a team If i am not a fan of them?
2015-03-17 13:22
They deserve it of course, the crowd only supported NiP, because they like NiP more. Whats the problem then ?
2015-03-17 13:25
NiP > fnatic
2015-03-17 14:13
Lol, you can't just require everyone to respect and like them. Mayby if they would not make such stupid promotion videos like "We are fnatic"...
2015-03-17 14:59
Wont happen. JW is the most toxic player ever. Always acting so fucking toxic against other players if you listen to the comms.
2015-03-17 15:04
One must earn my respect. So far fnatic has earned none.
2015-03-17 15:14
They are the best team for sure and flusha is not cheating anymore. But they're still a team with no honor for me.
2015-03-17 15:24
1 reply
Anymore Silver
2015-03-17 15:59
olof was a cs:god at this katowice. i respect that
2015-03-17 16:01
blablablablabla cl_neck 0
2015-03-17 17:18
I've been a fan of NiP since forever, but after watching Fnatic´s PoV this tournament I kind of feel my disrespect towards after fnatic(olofboost) vanished. They played very well and Pronax was making excellent calls throughout. Both teams played well and both could have won this tournament. 1 more month of allu synergy with the rest of the NiP guys and they could have been a lot more consistent. Olof played super well and Pronax made very good calls, kudos to them. Well deserved.
2015-03-17 18:06
lol
2015-03-17 18:11
NiP fanboy #Hatersgonnahate
2015-03-17 20:40
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Endpoint
4.32
Apeks
1.60
AGF
2.13
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1.49
AVANT
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