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Why couldn't we expand the mappool to 9 or even 10 maps, it would me much more interesting to watch.Something like this ? :D
Dust2
Inferno
Mirage
Cobble
Overpass
Cache
Tuscan
Season
Train
//Discus
-train +nuke
Because that's too many maps for professional competitive play.
No it's not especially for the way the valve veto works. Each team bans 3 maps and then what, the final map is decided by the random pick out of 5 maps? That's ridiculous.
Right. It's debatable whether or not the random map selection is a bad idea (I personally think it makes things more interesting), but with 5 maps that are randomized, it leave it up to chance way too much.
+1, and wow what a discussion. i tried to read a few of the other posts, but all i could read was AUTISM AUTISM AUTISM
how d 10 maps map pool work?
A: veto
B: veto
A: veto
B: veto
A: veto
B: veto
A: pick
B: pick
2 maps left and what?
the problem is the team who d be picking a decider map from last two ll have and adventage.
fuck valve and "randomness". if someone do sth in dumb way you dont need to do it in a dumb way too. anyway valve has only like 1 tournament in 2015. cologne ll be without valve and probably dh too.
they change shit every time so dont say it like it is written in stone
exactly my idea:D
did you steal this??
but i was faster than you :(
hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=763791#r854..
i think random might have flaws, imagine a map has to sit out 2 years straight :PP:D
ok but it's not like they will forget what they've done before
it will obviously suck for new teams
nono, this is badbad
They should make a summer and a winter season with D2, Mirage, Inferno, Cache being the classics as of now
and then 3 maps from the other pool(Cobble, Overpass, Season, Train, Nuke, Tuscan) would make the final 7 maps for each half year.
This obviously needs coordination between tournament organizers, finally.
If Tuscan turns out to be great and Train is shit as expected add Tuscan to the classics and have only 2 out of 4 remaining reserve maps in each season.
Teams need to be able to know everything about a map, so having a large map pool would just be straining.
r u aware teams vetos maps so they ll just have 1 veto round more so still only need to practice 6 maps.
10 maps? How to pick 3 maps for bo1/bo3/bo5 then, when each team removes maps 1 by 1?
check #13 for instance
or be creative :P
-new train +old de_train +season +tuscan
They get paid to play cs for a living, im sure they can learn 9 maps. Its not rocket science. They all know d2,inf,nuke,mirage, cache like the back of their hands already, and know cbble, overpass, +old train pretty damn well, im sure they can learn 1 more.
The worst major we had was Dreamhack inferno 2013 and ESL inferno 2014
unpredictably = excitment and where is the proof that more maps = less quality: it is just a theory from Lurppis
cbble at cologne was one of the most exciting map to watch and the pro's didnt know it that well
I think you need to start playing in a team with actual strats to understand why having a 9 maps map pool is inconceivable.
It has nothing to do with knowing the angles or the smokes of a map. It's a perpetual evolution which depends on how your opponents adapt to your tactics and how you'll adapt to theirs. You never truly "know" a map. That's why some teams who are very good on a certain map for a period of time and who switch their focus to their weaker maps end up losing games on their "best" map. If it was only about learning a map and be done with it CS would be very boring to watch (and useless as a competitive game).
"not rocket science"... I'd like to see you try to play 9 maps just to laugh a bit.
People wanting tuscan in the pool before it's even been played or tested.
Top kek friends.
No, 7 maps is the most balanced map pool you can have, because it allows teams to practice enough of them (most teams can have 2 great maps, 2 good maps and 2 ok maps) while giving some room for the veto mindgames. With too few maps, like it was at the beginning of the scene (5 maps), you couldn't really surprise a team, as they could ban their worse maps easily. With too many maps (8+), teams wouldn't be able to practice enough on most of the maps and the quality of CS would decrease, and the experience for the viewers would be less enjoyable.
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They already dedicate most of their life to CS, money ain't going to change anything.
And more practice won't change anything either, a team can't possibly achieve high level CS on 9 maps. They'll have to sacrifice at least 3 maps which they'll hardly touch and when by bad luck they'll play them they'll just run around peeking corners and hitting heads so they can win some rounds... That's not pro level CS, that's MM level CS. Even now with 7 maps we see several teams who struggle to come up with basic strats on part of the map pool. 9 maps will make the games a joke not even worth watching half of the time, while the other half it'll be a massacre because one team knows the map well and the other one never plays it.
+ nuke
+tuscan