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Skadoodle isn't being utilized
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Cloud9 is not utilizing Skadoodle appropriately. The CEVO caster made a good point that when on iBP he was being used to really open up sites or make an impact early into a round. Currently, he is left as more of a utility player than an impact fragger. Thoughts?
2015-05-31 20:11
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The whole arrangement of cloud9 is just fucked, thats the problem
2015-05-31 20:13
The number of times I have seen n0thing dying with a knife out or getting killed while holding a nade is cringe-worthy.
2015-05-31 20:14
y he is always in the wrong position. They have 0 chemistry left in that team
2015-05-31 20:18
I love nothing but your statement is so true I hate myself for acknowledging it.
2015-05-31 20:53
+1
2015-06-01 01:44
Maybe you should replace him.
2015-06-01 01:47
Lololol, who said that? Skadoodle was never an aggressive awper and he never went in first, he is a later round player and he is a very good clutch player.
2015-05-31 20:19
I didn't say he went in first he was more placed into a position to make an impact or get a pick. Yes he is a clutch player. However, on iBP he made an impact where currently he doesn't seem to get an opportunity.
2015-05-31 20:22
The CEVO caster made a good point that when on iBP he was being used to really open up sites or make an impact early into a round Yes you did, he never did this in iBP, both dazed and steel have said 10000x times he is a defensive awper, so they didnt make a good point they have no idea what theyre talking about and neither do you.
2015-05-31 20:24
You can get an early round frag without being the first into a site. For example on cache you can be placed boost and be utilized. DaZeD himself talks about how he micromanaged skadoodle to place him into the best situation to make an impact. One of the problems of C9 currently is there is no one to micromanage players that need to be managed such as Skadoodle.
2015-05-31 20:26
I know if you have a spawn or something he can go for a pick, he has the same role that he had in iBP, exactly the same.
2015-05-31 20:28
yeah, but he isnt being micromanaged by DaZeD. DaZeD tailored his positioning to fit his strats, dunno how C9's setups are though.
2015-05-31 20:36
You can have the same role on a team but still not be utilized correctly. Maybe my point isn't very clear to you.
2015-05-31 20:37
never thought you would make an intelligent post roman good job buddy~!!
2015-05-31 20:49
c9 has the shittiest igl ever
2015-05-31 20:23
Shitiest IGL who top fragged on Cache and was the third best fragger in the lobby on Dust II. Their strats are also getting a shit ton better, and they're clearly working on nade locations and timings, which is doing wonders for the team.
2015-05-31 20:53
talking about frags when the topic is igl gg
2015-06-01 01:12
First sentence was dismissing the fact that people want Sean gone because he is "bot" Second sentence is how the team play and strat executions have been improving since Semphis left
2015-06-01 01:25
Lol he is used to entry on most maps, SKDC started mollying boost and nading mid connector thats why he didn't go mid most of the time.
2015-05-31 20:27
Why does nobody on this thread realize there was an update that prevents most of the aggressive AWPing? How can you compare current iBP to now..
2015-05-31 20:28
He was never an aggressive awper and has said the update has not influenced his style regardless.
2015-05-31 20:29
They just have to understand, that if 1 of their players have more than 5k, then it is better giving skadoodle the awp and having no armor, than giving skadoodle an ak/m4 and having armor. Skadoodle is their best player, maybe even best player by far, but only with the awp, they have to give him the awp if it's possible.
2015-05-31 20:29
Skadoodle is way overhyped. C9's problem is that they manage strat setups poorly, almost every round you see someone killed simply due to poor pre-execution positioning or while they had their nade/knife out. Also, american casters (who usually cast the c9 matches) are dogshit. They constantly obsess over Skadoodle even when he is literally the bottom fragger, and they obsess over the amount of kills, although whats usually hindering Cloud 9 has nothing to do with getting frags here and there but just poor setups. Edit: Skadoodle is good, but still overhyped, since people talk about him as if he's the American jesus.
2015-05-31 20:42
Have you even looked at the stats? He isn't bottom fragging but 1-2 games? And I agree on their problem isn't fragging, however this post is about his utilization and not the team's fragging ability. But I do agree they have larger problems.
2015-05-31 20:43
This is something that I also noticed lmao. All the caster's are sucking Ska's dick even when he isn't contributing. Skadoodle is a good player, def overhyped but still good, but the way people treat him is like he walks on water. Cloud9 has a lot of issues early round because thats when nobody is together and they are setting up, so they lose to trade kills. People in EU die w/ nades in hand as well, but there is normally a teamate beside them to trade them out, whereas C9 early round does not have that. A lot of their rounds are won because they have such great clutch players. Despite what people say, their late round game has improved a shit ton, Skadoodle and shroud are great late round and I've noticed that Sean gets some ridiculous 1vX's that nobody comments on.
2015-05-31 20:45
I agree, people overhype ska too much, he is a very good player most of the time, and sometimes he cools off...people give shroud a lot of crap but he's most likely their best player, if not tied with ska. And shroud/ska in 2vX or just 1vX situations? lol.
2015-05-31 20:47
Yeh exactly. shroud is overhyped but is still great with a rifle and is sick in 1v1s or 1v2s, and Ska has the exact same ability. The weakest link of the team fragging wise right now is actually freak, and hes doing his job for the most part in terms of getting entries. Give this lineup another month and it might be viable against EU teams - when swag is added it'll be Top 10 easily.
2015-05-31 20:49
9-1
2015-05-31 20:42
They will be fine...stop judging a team so quickly
2015-05-31 20:43
Its funny people are even judging C9 poorly because they've lost one game in NA since the roster changes out of like 12 or 13. W/o a doubt the best team in NA at the moment, though they def aren't on a level that would allow them to compete in EU.
2015-05-31 20:47
Yeah, just imagine in a month or so when they get used to each other/etc. And I don't know about the last part, they did decent at Gfinity considering the roster was barely 2-3 weeks old, and freak just came back from a break.
2015-05-31 20:49
I agree Gfinity was a nice surprise, but they went 0-6 against EU teams. I think a lot of it was what you said w/ Chemistry not being their yet, but at the same time they were just getting out-aimed a vast majority of the time.
2015-05-31 20:50
If you look purely at a W/L ratio (and let's be real, some of the fraggers didn't preform as well as expected....could've been a bad LAN for 'em) yes they did awful. But the amount of rounds they got considering all the facts is pretty decent in my eyes. In fact if they did win, it would have been sad for the EU teams.
2015-05-31 20:53
Fair enough point. I didnt get the chance to watch most of the games but I looked at the scores after and it was more or less what I expected, though I dont know how close some of the rounds were.
2015-05-31 20:56
Yeah, people just like to give C9 shit cause most of the team streams....God forbid having extra income, amirite? and it was shroud's job prior to playing for C9 anyways. The logic of HLTV (or lack thereof) hurts my brain all the time. They easily have the players/skill to be top 8 at least, but I don't know what the issue is, getting DaZeD would help them a lot. Even DaZeD said sean's a good T-side leader, while DaZeD is a CT-side one. I hope they bring results at the next LAN.
2015-05-31 21:01
Yea, gotta let them have a few lans, not really fair to judge by Gfinity, but atleast everyone can agree they have potential. I think the scores of the game weren't always indicative of the actual rounds also. It's just too bad NA doesn't have LANs more often...
2015-06-01 00:38
Best team in NA has nearly no merit. I'm talking long term credibility as a team.
2015-05-31 20:54
ye lol
2015-05-31 20:46
AWP NERF
2015-05-31 20:47
C9 just needs to switch up their strats and roles..
2015-05-31 20:53
1 - He's not an aggressive awper. 2 - He's their best clutch player so it doesn't make sense to risk losing him early in the round. Same reason why they don't have shroud entry even though he's good at it. 3 - It was one match. He's the best player in NA.
2015-05-31 20:54
Seangares doesnt know how to use ska. It reminds me of how ex6 used ScreaM in vg/titan they are types like JW they need to be free and do what ever they want. then they are going to perform beastly
2015-06-01 00:42
the whole team needs to sit down and talk about everything for a long time
2015-06-01 00:44
why have ska opening up sites while u have freak, better to have ska as 3rd or 4th in to clutch and play late round then to risk ska dieing early in the round and haveing some1 like n0thing, sgares or freak who arent nearly as clutch as ska
2015-06-01 01:34
Ska is best with DazeD cause DazeD knows where to put him, how to use him and helps him with so much. NA needs DazeD.
2015-06-01 01:37
-fox + skadoodle
2015-06-01 01:39
He isn't near as good as his fanboys say he is thats all, think hes playing pretty solid if the action comes his way he usually locks it down, he isnt a KennyS or JW type awp he has really poor positioning and movement so you can't expect him to be able to do what those guys do. Hes more like the Allu type of awper he can lock down a spot most of the time but when peaked by a better awper he'll never win the duel.
2015-06-01 01:52
pretty cool to see a thread about the point I made on stream ^_^ #UNLEASHSKA
2015-06-01 01:55
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