they are really shit apparently. i mean, im not watching this game bcs c9, but i have seen ace play before. quite a lot actually, and on po's stream. and they really are awful. if u lose against them, u might as well disband basicly.
OK let's be fair. Top 3 north america isn't t5 sweden. It's closer to t2 sweden (below nip and fnatic)
Sweden t2 = games4u, orbit, property and acer.
I believe c9 is at least as good as these teams and potentially better than. We will have to wait and see for the next European lan.