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IBP won't be unbanned
kennyS | 
Lithuania MisterLukyso 
Semmler just said on stream he talked to CS:GO devs in Cluj and they stand by their infinite Ban.. rip NA
2015-11-02 17:08
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good job valve they deserve it
2015-11-02 17:09
#6
BDSM | 
United States Alinity 
-1 people do mistakes, everyone deserves a second chance
2015-11-02 17:10
like cheaters so they have to unban kqly sf and robin in two years
2015-11-02 17:19
#17
Ex6TenZ | 
Finland qBeY 
Well I don't really understand if you get perma ban for cheating bcuz for example if athletes use doping they get only 2 year banns
2015-11-02 17:25
#23
BDSM | 
United States Alinity 
cheaters are cheating for a longer time, they threw once and got perma'd
2015-11-02 17:27
#29
Ex6TenZ | 
Finland qBeY 
Well it's same in cheating and using doping that nobody can proof that you have used them for long time and that's why people should have second chance
2015-11-02 17:30
No they shouldn't have a second chance. They deserve what they have comming. Also nobody else risks to throw games now.
2015-11-02 17:41
I think a year is enough
2015-11-02 17:49
They steal for thousands of dollars. People go to jail for less.
2015-11-02 19:07
I still can't understand that :( I know you have to use real money to buy skins but still it's fucking pixels... And btw, you can have a nice inventory without having to spend any dollars and YOU BET AT YOUR OWN RISK
2015-11-02 19:16
You need to look into instances of match fixing in real life sports. They got off so incredibly easy that they should thank gaben every morning, noon, and night.
2015-11-03 06:01
you cannot argue like that, Europeans have a very different understanding of laws etc.It is kinda hard to understand for us as we have a very different approach to this topic I guess
2015-11-03 09:44
What? Don't mean to be rude but you just added 0 to the conversation. Feel free to elaborate on what you mean.
2015-11-03 09:53
Dude, you can nowadays bet csgo games in Nordicbet too. You can put 100€ for ManU, Real Madrid and Fnatic. REAL MONEY. And who Not Retarded Adult would bet his money in a game that doesn't punish match fixers?
2015-11-03 09:47
If professional athletes throw a game their carreer is over. Why should this be anything else?
2015-11-03 17:30
#295
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Denmark WeiZy0 
Same did Epsilon. But they Got only One year, and they already new what would happen..
2015-11-03 11:17
Didn't know about Epsilon. If this is true that would be totally retarded. Everybody should get the same sentences.
2015-11-03 17:32
Ye epsilon got unbanned
2015-11-04 03:58
#455
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Denmark WeiZy0 
Yeah, its true, all others than scream, did get a Ban for year, and that was after IBP, so they're already knows what would happen :P
2015-11-04 08:27
except, VP did it as well. And im sure countless other teams did too, they just didnt have stupid people open their mouths about it.
2015-11-02 20:30
#132
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Denmark 3picanteater 
*They were busted in throwing once*...
2015-11-02 19:53
You mean permanent bans, please stop talking shit.
2015-11-02 17:39
The issue with this is that, if kqly got unbanned for example, EVERY good play he ever makes will be under suspicion. I honestly think he wouldn't want to come back purely because of how much hate he would get and he would never be trusted again. If he got a shot through smoke in a clutch, no one would say "wp" everyone would start accusing him of cheats like they did with flusha. It's not right but it would happen.
2015-11-03 19:09
if kqly got unbanned there is 0% chance that he would ever play for a pro team again...i cannot imagine anyone playing with or sponsoring him.
2015-11-04 13:01
Exactly, And if ibp was an eu team, I think it would be exactly the same. It's only because they are some of the best players NA have to offer that any organisation would ever consider signing them.
2015-11-04 19:24
BUT THEY AREN'T CHEATERS.
2015-11-02 17:25
he said everyone tho
2015-11-02 17:27
iBP broke an unwritten rule. Cheating is obviously against the rules. They shouldn't just be able to make a new rule after the offense and ban them for life over it.
2015-11-02 18:02
I guess valve hoped that dazed, steel and co were gonna quit... so they don't have to deal with the situation anymore
2015-11-03 09:40
+1 valve in a nutshell
2015-11-03 19:14
there's a pretty significant difference between a mistake and being retarded
2015-11-02 17:24
They threw a lot of matches, stole a lot of $$$$$$$. They must be happy they aren't in jail atm, cause eSports still isn't equaled to sports. If it was, they would have got 3-5 years in jail. so, i'm pretty sure, they don't deserve a second chance
2015-11-02 17:34
+ 1
2015-11-02 17:39
there is no proof they threw any other matches and saying that there should be no second chances is like punishing everything with life sentence, which makes no sense, there should be adequate punishment but not absolute for every mistake made
2015-11-02 17:58
It's not a mistake, my friend. They have done it consciously, they knew that bets were forbidden for pro-players and they can incur a punishment for it, but they didn't give a fuck, sadly. So, in other sports false matches equal a theft and they could easily be put in prison.
2015-11-03 03:56
life sentence DOES NOT EQUAL a ban from a computer game. What they committed was essentially fraud and the ONLY result was a ban from a COMPUTER GAME.
2015-11-03 06:02
actually for them it IS NOT just a computer game. they spend much time into it. I'd rather compare it to real sports... would you say that if an athlete is cheating in any way he should be banned from competetive sports for ever? I mean it's just a sport... nothing serious at all.
2015-11-03 09:43
Cheating isn't the same as matchfixing. Feel free to educate yourself on some real life match-fixing incidents. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match_fixing#Match.. btw yes, if they are caught and deny it multiple times they should be banned for life. For instance, Lance Armstrong.
2015-11-03 09:51
actually I "educated" myself and most of the time the teams and players got banned for a certain period of time and their organisations got punished as well. The only life-time bans have been handed out to players who threw matches mutiple times and were a part of a bigger picture "organised crimes"
2015-11-03 10:14
And how is this any different? And what do you propose? You aren't one of those idiots that think just because Valve didn't explicitly forbid match fixing that they should be let off the hook, are you?
2015-11-03 10:24
no I think valvs should make an official statement. even if ex-iBP is banned for life... TELL THEM. I think banning them for a year from official league play and 2 years from valve sponsored events would have been reasonable. On top of that Valve could have told them to do something for them during the first year. Such as official map-guides for the de_mappool or basic in-game guides. Free-analyst work. or what ever.
2015-11-03 10:35
They made a statement. blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2015/0.. Valve owes them nothing. It's funny that even while banned they still suck the tit of counterstrike and make a living by streaming. And yes your ban opinion sounds reasonable. Everything else is ehhh. Always remember though, Valve owes these criminals nothing. They should be thanking valve that they werent perma'd.
2015-11-03 10:49
actually this statement doesn't say much... they are only explainig what had happened and that they've double-checked the trade-history of the players actually I think valves owes the whole community an official statement about the punishment. This way people would finally shut the fuck up about iBP since they know what is going on. This whole discussion starts once or twice a montth because nobody knows what is going on. If there wouldn't be something to argue about then people wouldn't care so much about it.
2015-11-03 11:04
Dude... Athletes get serious fines. Remember Lance Armstrong?
2015-11-03 20:11
yes, fines. but not an indefinite ban.
2015-11-04 01:23
well then they should have had more respect for the game and the community since they put so much time into it. Im glad they are all gone forever.
2015-11-04 13:03
The reason sites like csgolounge is legal is that they are using skins which are LEGALLY worthless... Basically they threw/stole 0 cents worth of stuff, GG fraud
2015-11-03 22:05
You may want to look into the definition of the word essentially. also, pasteboard.co/1R3QOHLT.png
2015-11-03 23:44
even if esport esport was 100 times biger they wont go in jail since csgl is a ilegal betting site in na.
2015-11-02 19:04
Lounge is illegal? Wow, what a nice move by your government. EU, CIS pls do the same. Fuck the skins, fuck the bets, enjoy watching Counter-Strike, kids!
2015-11-03 03:58
its pretty much illegal anywhere, becuase little kids gamble on that site, but no one gives a fuck about it.
2015-11-03 16:26
If someone likes betting and watches games because of that why should you stop them???????? Let people do what they enjoy.
2015-11-03 18:32
say that to jesus
2015-11-02 19:30
Agree throwing must be. Must be 1 year penalty + profit penalty. Everybody is happy then Valve, ESL/Dreamhack, Player and Betting site. Im sure they have learned lesson. They have lost one year more than throwing.
2015-11-02 19:58
sorry but, nope...
2015-11-05 06:53
-1 why ban players for something what has nothing to do with valve and the game itself. fuck the 12 year olds who care about coloured pixels, cs never needed this shit, skins are aids to this game.
2015-11-02 17:27
skins made this game so big
2015-11-02 17:28
yes because the game itself lacks the quality of its original version. so they decided to cover it up with something what fits the casual market and it obviously works.
2015-11-02 17:33
So true. Remember those days were people actually had to pracctice ALOT to get good? Sadly we only have 12 year old players now a days that either don't realise this or simply don't care about the game itself, only about pixels.
2015-11-02 17:44
They compromised the integrity of the sport. Look into the recent matchfixing in starcraft. Multiple people brought up on charges. They start with skins, next logical step is money. Seems pretty obvious that it needs to be stopped IMMEDIATELY and valve did that.
2015-11-03 06:04
integrity of esports, haha which integrity? shitty sites like csgl and others give underaged kids the possibility to gamble and you are talking about integrity? :D this whole business is shaddy as fuck, if someone wanted he could fuck them on a legal way.
2015-11-03 11:46
I know you just responded for the sake of it, but I'll go with it. The integrity of CSGO. Valve has nothing to do with those sites. Valve is in no way liable for what happens with those sites. There is no way anyone could 'fuck them'.
2015-11-03 17:42
i'm talking about fucking the bettings sites because what they do is illegal in most countries, if not all. and you are right what happens on those sites has nothing to do with valve so there's no reason why this should affect competitive gaming at all, banning players for something in what valve isn't even involved is really dumb.
2015-11-03 18:25
God you are so dumb. Any time Counterstrike is involved, valve is involved. Read up on Intellectual Property rights. It had nothing to do with betting. And don't try and make it about betting. This is valve protecting their investment.
2015-11-03 18:28
i see why you think like that but it's bullshit, for me these bettings sites are just aids and shouldn't affect the competition at all.
2015-11-03 18:30
Its not my opinion, it is fact. Yes, betting sites are aids. Yes, they SHOULDN'T affect the competition. However, they did, and Valve took action. If you are actually interested and care, you can watch this video, where he explains my sentiments pretty well. youtube.com/watch?v=8ZN1RqsgD8M
2015-11-03 18:38
+1 fuck over your fans, get burned. Cry like babies.
2015-11-02 17:38
skin bettors aren't the same thing as fans
2015-11-02 19:29
They are exactly the same, i bet on them because i am their fan so stfu with your retarded logic. I never bet on this game but this is just an example, i am happy to lose my skins to a fair game supporting a team i like but to a team who is fucking over their fans to make money, fuck off. You are another american retard with no logic.
2015-11-02 20:01
That name, that flag, that bait nice
2015-11-02 20:15
obvious b8 unless you're autistic
2015-11-04 04:45
Try and spell properly before you call people autistic you retard.
2015-11-04 11:48
If skin bettors=fans, you=autist srry m8 people bet on games for profit and that's it, betting on a team has nothing to do with supporting them
2015-11-04 11:50
I see, you must know this because you do, so people do not just bet on the teams they support, they just bet to make money, I am a liar. We have an actual Retard on our hands, I feel sorry for you.
2015-11-04 12:15
Betting on a team to support them makes no sense, they benefit in no way from that. Only a dunce would argue otherwise.
2015-11-04 12:29
No one said to bet on a team to support them, I said I bet on a team BECAUSE I support them, for them to then throw that game is deceitful to people who bet on them BECAUSE they support them. Clearly you could use your small brain for two seconds to figure that out.
2015-11-04 12:42
That still doesn't make sense lol, that would be throwing money away for no reason. Not sure if troll or
2015-11-04 12:46
If that does not make sense then you are truly retarded, obviously you are not old enough to follow any kind of sports and do not understand it. Come back in a few years.
2015-11-04 12:53
Obvious b8, have fun with that
2015-11-04 13:10
#550
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Denmark nahfoooool 
You're the retard. Lol.
2015-11-05 10:08
+1 good example for future throw
2015-11-02 17:55
+1
2015-11-02 19:15
#95
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
+1
2015-11-02 19:21
"stand by their infinite Ban.. " INDEFINITE NOT INFINITE
2015-11-02 19:26
#130
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Denmark 3picanteater 
Cool story mr englando
2015-11-02 19:51
Your water is ready m8
2015-11-03 14:02
#129
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Denmark 3picanteater 
+1
2015-11-02 19:51
#209
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Brazil AL1en 
+1
2015-11-03 04:33
so if they are american they deserve it, but when epsilon does it, its only a 1 year ban and thats fine?
2015-11-03 04:47
Funny how Epsilon got only 1 year ban even their incident happened after IBP #justvolvothings
2015-11-03 06:15
volvo things? what the difference between stealing 100 dollar and stealing 2000+ dollar? :D
2015-11-03 11:23
None, Stealing is stealing. The sentence however can be different on the two cases, i hope that they will review the case and give the players information & what valves standing point is and or if they will be unbanned in the future.
2015-11-03 11:48
The ibp guys only earned like 300 usd each
2015-11-05 09:27
+1
2015-11-03 09:36
+1
2015-11-03 09:43
+1
2015-11-03 14:02
I'm deserved for unban...
2015-11-03 18:29
how much?
2015-11-03 18:30
+999
2015-11-04 00:00
he said they have an indefinate ban.
2015-11-02 17:09
punishment is too light they should have hands cut off
2015-11-02 17:10
or even hand cuffs on
2015-11-02 17:12
sure before you cut the hands off
2015-11-02 17:13
nice flag m8
2015-11-02 17:32
Swedistan here to ruin it for ya :^)
2015-11-03 10:04
+1
2015-11-02 20:11
well deserved good decision by the devs thats one thing you cant forgive #respect
2015-11-02 17:10
#8
lueg | 
Czech Republic Lueg 
btw did they have to return the skins from the throw?
2015-11-02 17:12
Not 100% on this, but i dont think they did.
2015-11-02 17:28
Nope lol they just did some giveaways after the scandal
2015-11-02 17:53
#250
lueg | 
Czech Republic Lueg 
lol
2015-11-03 07:01
swag did giveaways of equal value, not sure about the rest
2015-11-03 06:50
steel and dazed did as well, I think of even more than equal value. azk didn't I think
2015-11-03 10:29
there is no way to return the skins, that's the thing
2015-11-03 20:12
indefinate ban, not infinite fucking gipsy
2015-11-02 17:20
good decision, imagine those throwers in a major . the shitstorm, valve and the game will lose credibility because of 4 kids, this decision is expected.
2015-11-02 17:21
imagine a world where people are cheating at majors and major winners get banned ... makes complete sense
2015-11-02 17:32
Why are people here so fucking mad at them and not EPSILON. A team that got 1 year ban not indefinite AND they did it after IBP got banned fully knowing of the consequences.
2015-11-02 19:27
because no one cared about epsilon and ibp was way better and way more popular
2015-11-02 20:00
its still hypocrisy
2015-11-02 20:16
If valve dont unban iBP after 1 year I will be mad. Because not only was their ban more mentally painful considering it was indefinite and it just wouldnt be fair to have the different punishments for the same crme
2015-11-02 21:39
The ban was issued in Sept. 2014, you can get mad now.
2015-11-03 06:00
Nt. January 2015 it was issued.
2015-11-03 11:36
thats when the game was thrown not when the ban happened
2015-11-04 04:55
nope the throw happend before
2015-11-05 06:40
#433
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United States hehexddd 
Swag was only a kid at the time... that's not really fair
2015-11-04 04:32
then he should go mass murder people , im sure he will get free because he is just a poor little kid /s
2015-11-05 14:28
#559
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United States hehexddd 
Mass murdering = throwing for 1 awp asiimov Fuck your parents because they raised an idiot.
2015-11-05 19:39
Didnt that LoL player or something get fined close to $1mill for match fixing? NA scene only make it look like a small thing cause it was all their good players throwing xd
2015-11-02 17:22
That never happened
2015-11-02 19:52
an indefinite (possibly permanent ban) is 'making it look like a small thing'?
2015-11-03 04:04
I'm talking about the community who are saying it was too harsh
2015-11-03 14:54
the majority of the people saying its unfair is EU
2015-11-04 13:12
oddshot?
2015-11-02 17:25
1 year is already enough they should unban them but state that next throws will result in permanent bans and vac bans or smth :d
2015-11-02 17:26
No.
2015-11-03 09:48
Source?
2015-11-02 17:29
+1
2015-11-02 17:34
#75
India G..G 
no they got banned in csgo
2015-11-02 17:55
I found what op is talking about, not bullshit twitch.tv/roomonfire/v/23640896 @2:23:19
2015-11-02 19:42
thx for link bro
2015-11-02 22:27
indefinite means there is no time table it could be forever could be a year 2 years etc
2015-11-02 17:30
Yes, but they said they are no changing their mind anytime soon and not even discussing it.
2015-11-02 17:37
#54
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Estonia MorsAlbum 
Which means they're never getting unbanned... Or they've decided already to unban them after 1y
2015-11-02 17:40
They didn't decide that, Semmler said that rumor about 1 year was completely bullshit and made up by the community.
2015-11-02 17:41
The 1 year idea came cuz the decision of faceit esea etc
2015-11-02 17:54
#83
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Estonia MorsAlbum 
And because Valve's bans for Ex-Epsilon were only 1 Year, even though iBP was first theirs will be longer when they couldn't have known the consequences fully?
2015-11-02 18:59
+1 It would be unfair to make their ban longer than the ex-epsilon players. Consistency is key when it comes to punishment.
2015-11-02 19:34
+1 what valve doesn't need in unreliability at this point of the game when CS go is becoming a eSport giant.
2015-11-03 06:20
The professional scene of sc2 nearly collapsed because of matchfixing ... its not that they threw one game but that behavior like this undermines the integrity of the "sport" and deters sponsores from investing.
2015-11-02 17:31
wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Match_Fixi.. heres the starcraft scandal for match fixing.
2015-11-02 19:07
tyty
2015-11-02 20:20
sc2 collapsed because no one wanted to play it
2015-11-02 20:03
Theres no statement lol
2015-11-02 17:32
Just unban swag as he was like 17-18 back thenand didn't profit from it nearly as much as the hook nose
2015-11-02 17:32
#434
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United States hehexddd 
Yeah, I have a feeling dazed and steel really pressured him into it. They're such faggots.
2015-11-04 04:33
so an 17 year old arrested for shooting up a school should not have to go to jail because he is young and was probably pressured into doing it?
2015-11-04 12:56
The factors should diminish the sentence
2015-11-04 13:09
he knew what he was doing, he had the choice to not join in. He was being greedy and he deserves the ban just as much as azk, steel and dazed.
2015-11-04 15:49
The factors should diminish the sentence
2015-11-04 15:51
kill yourself
2015-11-04 15:53
#547
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United States hehexddd 
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Shooting up a school = Throwing for skins. You heard it here first folks.
2015-11-05 09:04
Spangler, the person in charge of cevo has said that after the 1 year ban they will be allowed to compete in the cevo league, so even if they dont get unbanned from valve sponsored events they might get unbanned in some leagues like cevo, starladder, faceit, rgn, or other leagues/lans. It makes sense for smaller leagues to unban them since their fanbase is pretty big so they can help smaller and weaker leagues grow a lot.
2015-11-02 17:33
I agree, considering the fact faceit, sltv etc keep growing, they could still play without going to 'major' (that will probably be replaced by better tournaments)
2015-11-02 17:51
I promise you, by the time another league gives more than valve, valve will make the major prize money bigger
2015-11-03 10:36
+1 They could still go to most 250k tournaments.
2015-11-02 19:59
theyre being unbanned from everything besides valve sponsored majors but majors arent shit anymore, esea will prob have a higher price pool lan before valve, which is sad:\
2015-11-02 17:34
Who cares if they can't play on the biggest stage no one will want to make a team with them
2015-11-02 17:36
it wont be the biggest soon enough esea > valve
2015-11-02 17:38
Sure kid. Valve would never let that happen. Either way sticker money>prize pools
2015-11-02 17:42
+1 the only reason why ESEA didn't have tournament with more than 250k this year, was because Valve didn't allow it.
2015-11-02 19:37
Huh? What's your source on this?
2015-11-03 18:15
there is no source it's just something i'm 100% sure :D
2015-11-03 18:22
do you actually believe that? I guess half of the NA-scene would suck dazed's balls. He has a toxic personality but he is one of the best IGLs ever NA had since the release of cs go. I guess that if some NA players had the chance to play with their team or play in a team which contains dazed, steel, azk and 2additional players they would leave their teams without hestitation. Torqued [dazed, azk, steel, m0e, a2z] actually matched up well against the NA top-teams. (they pracced against them before fragadelphia)
2015-11-03 10:17
I was saying that if the teams weren't able to go and compete on the biggest stage , majors, then why wouldn't want him on their team. They are obviously really good players but they are banned so...
2015-11-03 13:27
there are dozens of other LANs they could compete in lol... star series 100k LAN Faceit Finals 100K LAN CEVO is like 80k or something
2015-11-04 04:48
are you fucking retarded..they have enough people to make a team of their own..and there are plenty of people who play with them.
2015-11-03 18:40
I'm just saying they won't join teams like c9 or liquid they would make a torque or something
2015-11-03 18:42
The problem is that ESEA has basically said they will stick with the ban length that Valve gave them, so even though they're listed as banned for 1 year, that was just their standard malicious activity ban length. They already said they'd extend it or remove it depending on Valve's stance.
2015-11-02 20:19
link to when and where?
2015-11-02 17:34
twitch.tv/roomonfire After he's done Stremaing just watch the VOD, it was in the Overpass game on CT side I think.. Anyway just watch the stream, he's talking about Casters/Analysts/Teams/Players and everything to do with the Major. Also some fun facts like Bo3 being not that important in Groups and etc.
2015-11-02 17:38
I found what op is talking about, not bullshit twitch.tv/roomonfire/v/23640896 @2:23:19
2015-11-02 19:40
do people not understand the definition of "indefinite"?? indefinite DOES NOT EQUAL infinite
2015-11-03 04:40
in another post I said I think that was a typo if not I agree
2015-11-03 06:03
Link to him saying this?????
2015-11-02 17:35
twitch.tv/roomonfire After he's done Stremaing just watch the VOD, it was in the Overpass game on CT side I think.. Anyway just watch the stream, he's talking about Casters/Analysts/Teams/Players and everything to do with the Major. Also some fun facts like Bo3 being not that important in Groups and etc.
2015-11-02 17:38
ok thanks :)
2015-11-02 18:41
That is fucking retarded.....
2015-11-02 17:35
Unbann them and make them wear drunk goggles in tournament as punishment then lets see those throwers aim :) Steel confirmed LCS Heartstone.
2015-11-02 17:36
Source? No we're not going to go through the vod fuck you Source or riot
2015-11-02 17:41
How can I source when he is still streaming? Check the fucking VOd if you want you pleb, Overpass game, CT side, you fat lazy cunt
2015-11-02 17:41
Do you even know what a pleb is? You're just spouting bull shit and not sourcing Crying won't get your skins back
2015-11-02 17:45
It's not bullshit when he actually said it, people that are actually interested in this topic will go and look. your name basically describes your argument skins? I would want swag to get unbanned, idgaf if they threw or not
2015-11-02 17:48
It's fake. Dev wouln't share with Semmler that kind of secret.
2015-11-02 17:41
Lol, they share all kind of information with players/casters/analysts at the majors, a lot of statistics he said too that were shared by the Devs and etc.
2015-11-02 17:44
Cheating is as bad as throwing. Which is why they won't get unbanned. Throwing a match has as much negative impact on the pro scene as cheating does.
2015-11-02 17:50
Why is s1mple unbanned then
2015-11-03 10:39
+10294
2015-11-03 17:51
He wasn't caught be Valve VAC system. only be ESL.. like everyone else who got caught by a 3rd party program.
2015-11-03 18:42
and iBP was caught by csgolounge? I knew why s1mple was unbanned, but I think you misunderstood the point completely. iBP got caught by csgolounge, valve acted due to that. s1mple got caught by esl, valve didn't give a fuck
2015-11-03 20:42
there was no point to be misunderstood. you asked why simple was unbanned. Also iBP wasnt caught by anyone..Dborn girlfriend turned them in and Valve was involved.
2015-11-03 20:45
It was only csgolounge who could check it, like they checked with epsilon. Valve still acted when epsilon got caught by csgolounge
2015-11-03 20:54
False equivalency, since most leagues seem to only ban cheaters for one year, unless its a repeat offense. Your logic fails here.
2015-11-03 18:17
You don't get my point, wether Valve has a coherent way of banning players or not, the point is they should be banned the same way cheaters are, which should be a defnitte ban.
2015-11-03 21:08
Match-fixing is worse. For one, it's considered fraud and you can even go to jail for it. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/115710.. That will probably never be the case for cheating and punishment for cheating will remain ~1 year - lifetime. Secondly, sponsors won't invest. And that's where the money comes from. No money - no games. It's in everyones interest to keep e-sports clean.
2015-11-04 08:45
it's all relative. this was a meaningless match and the motive behind it was them just trying to get some ez skins at the time when they were broke and frustrated. In todays environment, they wouldn't have done the same thing. Had they known the punishments, they would not have done the same thing. This match didn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things. If u look at the match fixing in starcraft for example, it effected which players won prize money, sponsorships, etc... Their plan involved multiple players agreeing to fixing and was much more elaborate.
2015-11-04 09:10
nice, i couldnt watch any games besides lan finals when throwing was in trend. infinite ban is the only deterrent that keeps this cancer from growing.
2015-11-02 17:52
gj valve
2015-11-02 17:54
#79
Iraq mohh 
nothing on reddit, most likely fake
2015-11-02 18:01
I loved Dazed he has the best awp in NA
2015-11-02 18:03
To be fair CSGOLounge isn't an official valve site, used for gambling. I'd understand an ESEA/FaceIT/CEVO ban, but a full ban shouldn't have happened considering they didn't do anything to harm valve directly.
2015-11-02 19:01
They compromised the integrity of VALVES GAME. HOW IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU KIDS TO UNDERSTAND?
2015-11-03 06:06
how much
2015-11-03 06:22
0. Although I've wasted enough time arguing with kids that I probably coulda made a couple hundred bucks. BTW I just made this account just so I can continue my war with dumb kiddos.
2015-11-03 06:24
saltiest kid in HLTV confirmed
2015-11-03 06:29
Rip account until tomorrow. Idk m8, there are some salty kiddos on this site.
2015-11-03 06:30
lol u lost like 3 max bets with that name faggot
2015-11-04 04:50
Skins shouldn't even be a fucking thing, there's actually no reason for them to be in the game. Valve shouldn't thank iBP, because the kids that lost skins are gonna keep buying new ones.
2015-11-03 16:17
God I have no idea what you just said.
2015-11-03 17:53
Speak American amerifat :^)
2015-11-03 19:17
good job valve
2015-11-02 19:08
#92
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United States Pwelch 
Thought it was only a year ban
2015-11-02 19:18
yeah on some leagues
2015-11-02 19:19
#106
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United States Pwelch 
when was the date they were banned?
2015-11-02 19:29
January 7th I think. Steels ESEA ban ends around there.
2015-11-04 14:08
Deserved & expected. Justice has of been served.
2015-11-02 19:20
And so the ban hammer fell.
2015-11-02 19:21
this is fake, i talked to them and they said they will be unbanned.
2015-11-02 19:22
#98
kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
rip
2015-11-02 19:22
Considering they are not "infinitely banned" you're cancer for this post. They are indefinitely banned which is completely different. And yea your guys cheap skins are worth more than their careers right?
2015-11-02 19:22
"And yea your guys cheap skins are worth more than their careers right?" L-O-L.
2015-11-02 19:46
"And yea your guys cheap skins are worth more than their careers right?" You know what is worth more to valve than the career of those kids? The integrity of their game, that they make MILLIONS off of. Do you understand the consequences for Valve if match-fixing became even a semi occurance? There would be ZERO legitimacy to their game, which they stand to make BILLIONS off of. IM BEING SO TILTED BY YOU STUPID KIDS.
2015-11-03 06:09
It's called a betting website, which means you can lose money. If you're dumb enough to bet more than $5 on a NA best of 1 match you're retarded. It's incredible how much the ibp players are doing for the community and people like you still cry about skins that your mommies credit card paid for. btw it's cute how you think match fixing never occurs, shahzam messages NA players every night before their matches asking if they are throwing rofl IM BEING SO TILTED BY YOU STUPID KIDS.
2015-11-03 06:53
It had nothing to do with skins kiddo. Its the integrity of Valves investment. Lets pretend for 10 minutes that in another alternate universe you were smart enough to own the rights to a sport (NFL, FIFA, etc). Now lets say that during breakfast, while counting stacks of hundred dollar bills, someone tells you that some team, that you were kind enough to let play in your game, LIVE OFF OF YOUR CREATION, decided to try and get one over your head, because playing video games for a living isn't dope enough. Now, if you don't do something about this, it sends a message to people that it's OK to do. And you don't want that, because if it becomes known that your sport is rigged, it no longer becomes fun to watch, and you don't make money. So what do you do? You make an example of the kids that were stupid enough to destroy their careers for some pixels. And the joke's on them, because you don't give two shits about the money that was stolen or their careers, you care about the MILLIONS of dollars you stand to lose if it continues. Did that make it through your thick skull?
2015-11-03 07:04
All I see is "kid" this or "kiddo" that.... Stop using kid as an insult and get something fresh!
2015-11-03 22:03
If all you can see is the insult, then that's why it's there.
2015-11-03 23:43
Nobody is saying they shouldn't be punished, just that an indefinite and probably infinite ban is too harsh. Not that hard of a concept, but I can already tell you have aspergers so it's alright.
2015-11-04 04:52
There is no way it'll be forever. Honestly it'll be up after 2 years max.
2015-11-04 05:24
I actually agree with that. 2 years seems appropriate, I just want more good NA teams asap, tilt 9 have left a void the other teams can't fill
2015-11-04 05:49
Here's my deal. I honestly hope that swag would get unbanned after a year, but they can't deal separate punishments. And at the same time, as good as steel and dazed are, I personally feel that they are an overall negative to the scene.` here is a video that explains my thought pretty well if you have 20 minutes to waste. EDIT: youtube.com/watch?v=8ZN1RqsgD8M&ab_chann..
2015-11-04 06:46
Dude, they deserve it. Fuck them for fixing it. They are scum.
2015-11-03 14:00
Do bet on matches than. Problem solved. Pro players didn't ask to have their matches on csgolounge
2015-11-03 14:51
Such backwards logic.
2015-11-03 23:47
Debatable
2015-11-04 01:24
#517
Sweden BBW 
true i guess, sure they threw on themselves but when you look at CSGL hosts, the site shouldnt even be legal. and it literally shouldnt be legal to begin with
2015-11-04 15:56
god csgl has literally nothing to do with the problem. Valve cares about the integrity of their game, not the stupid skins.
2015-11-04 18:03
#527
Sweden BBW 
doesnt mean csgl should exist more than for trading purposes does it?
2015-11-04 18:16
i dont care about csgl, valve doesnt care. stop thinking csgl had anything to do with the problem.
2015-11-04 18:17
#530
Sweden BBW 
you dont know what i think lmao it does have to do with the problem. Let's think they used an alternative site to bet on themselves with real money. (who knows they didn't?) by doing that, you take actual consequences. whats putting a few skins on csgl on themselves? Does banning them from competitive scene make them stop? maybe regret. Question is, why don't they tradeban their accounts so they cant sell the items and stop making profit off of skins, like jackpotting, betting or anything. So they genuinely have to only play for the actual game, and they can buy themselves skins with their own money but cant trade/sell them. whos to say they wont throw again in many years after the scene is dead? they got nothing to lose rite. a lot of people, live off of being a semipro and skins. which alone is retarded
2015-11-04 18:31
you know they can make multiple steam accounts for free right?
2015-11-05 04:07
#541
Sweden BBW 
with their ip, i bet those dumbfucks didn't use a different ip see, if they really would put some effort they wouldn't get caught
2015-11-05 06:32
#488
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Europe  Skaarj  
I dont care about csgl. They commited crime - I dont care what sources they used to monetize their deed. That ban was not worst thing what they could face. So forget about them and go on.
2015-11-04 12:55
Valve doesn't have any authority on csgolounge. There was no rules against this, seeing that this was a first time scenario and no rules against this. They are also doing a lot for the community by streaming, helping, making videos with reviews, tips and other things. So a ban one one year as epsilon got is fair EDIT: why be so retarded and bet on a 85-15 or similar odds on games? Pure stupidity
2015-11-02 19:26
can i please meet you in person to shake your hand. No one understands that there was no rule at the time and people can't comprehend that.
2015-11-02 20:26
Valve is getting involved so the integrity of their game isnt compromised. dumb kids.
2015-11-03 06:12
+ fkin 1 man Why the hell is Valve getting involved with an issue that should be handled by CSGOLounge? If anything CSGOLounge should perma-ban listing any games played by the throwers.
2015-11-02 20:35
Valve is getting involved so the integrity of their game isnt compromised. dumb kids.
2015-11-03 06:11
YOU AND ALL THE KIDS BELOW YOU ARE RETARDED. COPY PASTING: You know what is worth more to valve than the career of those kids? The integrity of their game, that they make MILLIONS off of. Do you understand the consequences for Valve if match-fixing became even a semi occurance? There would be ZERO legitimacy to their game, which they stand to make BILLIONS off of.
2015-11-03 06:10
Yeah but the fact is that there was no rules against this, so Valve should just sit down and make some rules for the punishment of match fixing. And IBP should be unbanned, since there was no rules back then when they did it
2015-11-03 07:26
>since there was no rules back then when they did it god if I see this one more time I'm gonna lose it. The FACT is that it is Valves game and they can do whatever the fuck they want. And that is why I will never lose an argument about this.
2015-11-03 07:50
They don't own cevo, they have nothing to do with some online games for a qualifier or whatever
2015-11-03 10:13
THEY LITERALLY OWN THE GAME. CEVO HAS TO PAY FOR THE LICENSE TO USE IT. Cevo wouldn't exist but for the grace of lord gaben. Valve LITERALLY can do whatever they want to people that play their game.
2015-11-03 10:20
Stop. They won't understand. They never owed a single thing in their lives so how would they know?
2015-11-03 11:32
You need to read up on intellectual property rights. Classic case from eSports was that of KeSPA vs. Blizzard over SC2.
2015-11-03 11:06
they'll at least be able to compete in esea/cevo/faceit etc. besides, iBP would always go out last at majors rofl
2015-11-02 19:24
You're stupid as fuck. hltv.org/match/2293296-ldlc-ibuypower-fa.. ibp were top5, and would be top 10 if they were unbanned. Must be hard being that stupid my man
2015-11-03 17:59
YOU ARE STUPID AS FUCK. Faceit LAN was NOT a Valve-sponsored major. It was a tier 1 "premier-level" event, but not a VALVE-SPONSORED MAJOR. stfu retarded c9 fan, you're making us look bad.
2015-11-03 18:42
Nah mate you're looking yourself look bad rofl. LDLC was a top3 team, iBP beat them 2-0, meaning iBP aren't shit. You are shit. Sorry retard
2015-11-03 19:05
I LOVE iBP. I am so biased towards them. swag/ska/dazed/azk were my favorite players when they were still active pro players. Yes, iBP had a very good run at Faceit LAN where they placed 2nd over Dignitas (kings of the group stages) and LDLC (second best team at the time). However, iBP were undeniably weak at the majors, and notoriously never passed the group stages. Even though their groups were always quite difficult compared to other teams (e.g. coL at Katowice), they failed to ever overcome their issues of performance dropoffs at the majors - Skadoodle to this day has not fully overcome it. I pointed out their poor history at the Valve majors as a reason for solace, considering that Valve is retarded and might ban iBP from Valve majors forever. I'm not saying that iBP is bad, I'm saying that they've had a poor history at majors because of a mental block. That iBP core only attended 3 majors (iirc, it's been a while), so majors don't mean much overall, when you especially when you consider that the +swag +steel lineup only attended one major where they had a hard fucking group stage. Stop crying, retard.
2015-11-03 19:19
No one's crying you absolute retard. Calling you stupid isn't crying. Can you even fucking read rofl
2015-11-03 19:23
"nah mate" "you are shit" "retard" getting all hot and bothered after you got proven wrong. nt fakeflag faguette
2015-11-03 19:30
they were never a top 5 team ever lol. Fucking stupid iBP fanboys
2015-11-04 04:55
Top 5 team can't make it out of groups? :)
2015-11-04 12:29
top5 team can beat top 2 team
2015-11-04 20:21
Terrible people, pathetic egotistical trolls. They must have heard the news they haven't been streaming much. They should become teachers so they tell people how they are either smart enough to get A's without trying or should drop out.
2015-11-02 19:36
Which news? They've always known the same that Semmler does, that Valve haven't released any information yet. And you completely missed the point in steel's video, he talked about CS, not school grades.
2015-11-02 19:45
They deserve the ban, fuck na cunts. They prefer skins instead a real career
2015-11-02 19:39
then i expect ex epsilon to have the same punishment. its utter bull shit if one team is banned for the same offence and gets a different punishment then the other.
2015-11-02 19:39
I found what op is talking about, not bullshit twitch.tv/roomonfire/v/23640896 @2:23:19
2015-11-02 19:40
Oddshot ?
2015-11-02 19:41
so, throwing 1 game for skins is more punished than cheating ? I hate this game
2015-11-02 19:41
I forgot who said it, but some pro player posted in hltv that ex-ibp fixed many matches before they got caught. I think it was daps?? It was that north american player who got into a fight with steel recently on twitch about money that was owed to steel and the guy said he "wasn't ever going to pay you pos"
2015-11-02 20:13
thats desi
2015-11-02 20:17
thats right! now i remember...ty
2015-11-02 20:24
but it can't be proved so how can one be punished for an unprovable act
2015-11-02 20:29
#120
fnx | 
Portugal lovessd 
hltv confirmed?
2015-11-02 19:42
#123
aurora | 
Australia omag 
he said INDEFINITE you autist
2015-11-02 19:44
I was upset at the time. Now I dont really care if they stay banned or gets unbanned, but then again I take things pretty lightly in general.
2015-11-02 19:54
good, keep the jews on lock down
2015-11-02 19:55
HAHAHA stealing all of our gold. fucking match fixer pos
2015-11-02 20:11
Indefinite =/= Infinite
2015-11-02 19:55
he didn't mention that he spoke to the devs at cluj. All he said what the valve guys stand by the IBP player's indefinite ban. We already know this. Just want til January when they review the case and see what happens.
2015-11-02 19:58
they shouldnt get unbanned, just like kqly will never get unbanned, because cheating is the same as selling games.
2015-11-02 20:06
snax and s1mple should be permanently banned then. fxy0/uzziii shouldn't get 1 year bans, theirs should be indefinite as well.
2015-11-02 20:08
well the difference is that fxyo admitted it out of guilt (increasing his honor points). IBP got caught with out confessing to it, so gabens hammer does more damage to IBP.
2015-11-02 20:17
fxy0 admitted because he got caught and saw what happened to the IBP guys lol.
2015-11-02 21:54
flusha, happy, apex and many others are cheating as well so they should be banned accordingly
2015-11-02 20:25
#137
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Portugal Zedonp 
Good job volvo Pls don't fix
2015-11-02 19:58
It's hard to interpret as he just says "the devs stand by the iBP's indefinite ban" which could just mean that they stand by the fact they placed an indefinite ban on them in the first place and not that they aren't ever going to get unbanned.
2015-11-02 20:01
#144
Nifty | 
Moldova towerzz 
its not even about the skins after them throwing 1 match think of the reputation that the ibp org has now, doesn't matter what team they pick up (if they do in cs) they will always be known as the team that throw that game for skins, sponsors wouldn't want to sponsor a team with that kind of reputation. nt na fan gays you still wont be able to get out of groups
2015-11-02 20:03
What a joke comment lol, if they were unbanned an org would literally pick them up instantly.
2015-11-04 05:07
IBuyPower should've been IBuyMyOwnSkins :( R.I.P good NA players.
2015-11-02 20:10
ibp sucksSSSSSSS
2015-11-02 20:13
Lol indefinite, not infinite. Very different things.
2015-11-02 20:14
The difference being? Indefinite ban is pretty much the same. They should just give up their hopes and focus on different things in life.
2015-11-02 20:16
Saying the ban is indefinite means that it is unclear when and if the ban will end. The chances of them getting unbanned is equal to the chances of the ban staying forever if indefinite is used. Using infinite means the ban will for sure never end.
2015-11-02 20:21
I know what it means, but I find it hard to believe Valve will just unban them one day.
2015-11-02 20:25
Didn't they unban Epsilon for doing the same thing?
2015-11-02 20:27
yea, but different circumstances
2015-11-02 20:52
how is it different lol?
2015-11-04 05:06
They threw as slight overdogs for their friends to win a couple of $100 bets. The IBP was a bunch of people making thousands of dollars.
2015-11-04 08:51
The amount of money won doesn't matter when valve bans them for supposedly "threatening the integrity of the game"
2015-11-04 10:49
Indefinite ban can end whenever they want to unban them. It can be tomorrow or never.
2015-11-02 20:37
do you even English? indefinite is completely different from infinite
2015-11-02 20:40
Yes, indefinite means no date specified. Could be like 5 years when CS is not even relevant anymore.
2015-11-02 20:56
#445
AZK | 
United States Dood 
that's still completely different from infinite
2015-11-04 05:18
It's different, but the outcome may be the same.
2015-11-04 08:52
Who gives a fuck about America anyway? The top 30 European teams are way better than all their best players combined. Even Brasil and Australia are..
2015-11-02 20:15
Nt ex6
2015-11-02 20:22
than end e sport suckers IBuyunban last 5x players in NA what can play this game never ever be play competive RIP anny hope for NA
2015-11-02 20:16
They shouldn't have stolen the money from the bettors. GJ Valve.
2015-11-02 20:16
maybe stop betting and you wont lose money.
2015-11-02 20:40
maybe sew up your asshole and your mouth and you wont be dicked by blacks
2015-11-02 20:42
im not nor have i ever been dicked by anyone but you seem to be butthurt about something
2015-11-02 20:47
about your retardness, my dear
2015-11-02 20:50
go be a braindead fox fan m8
2015-11-02 20:57
im not and you seem to have fat instead of a brain, and when some criminal robs your house, you find it right to say "dont keep any money and anything valuable in your house to not be robbed".
2015-11-02 21:00
anyone have a link to the stream? or a time stamp for it? thnx
2015-11-02 20:22
They basically put on a mask, took their own fans, bent them over a trashcan, and raped them without lube. Then volvo removed the masks and revealed to the fans that it was their own Dad.
2015-11-02 20:22
lol. I bet against my favorite team all the time who said anything about fans.
2015-11-02 20:27
Valve has never banned any iBP players. This is a quote from the official statement, "Therefore we will be directing our CS:GO event partners to not allow any of the following individuals’ participation in any capacity in Valve-sponsored events" They are letting the community decide how long their bans are and most game a one year ban so their ban is indefinite but up to the leagues. The will be all unbanned officially 1/27/2016
2015-11-02 20:25
when a multi billion dollar company like valve 'directs CS:go event partners' to do something, they do it rofl. it has nothing to do with the community. to pretend valve didn't ban these players (albeit indirectly) is just dumb
2015-11-03 04:06
I think thats about right. Valve doesnt have to do a thing, could be after 1 year that a few orgs go a bit easier but valve continues to ban from majors A ban from majors means you wont get an invite to any big team or any lan wanting to be a major I guess. I dont think they should be banned forever, for Swag alone thats criminal waste. What they did was stupid whether they got caught or not, it was a dumbass move, real peanut brain stuff ironically..
2015-11-03 04:11
#193
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United States Free_Swag 
Just Free Swag Volvo
2015-11-02 21:04
Lies
2015-11-02 21:20
iTP kappa
2015-11-03 04:33
good
2015-11-03 04:36
Semmler is an idiot LOL Unless hltv made the news post wrong, it said after 1 year, the bans will be evaluated. Obviously that doesnt mean they will be unbanned but there is a chance
2015-11-03 05:04
lol imagine if they get unbanned, any game they lose/any time they die everyone will say they are throwing.
2015-11-03 05:12
GOOD
2015-11-03 05:17
sad for swag
2015-11-03 05:18
NA shitters only care because they are good and NA is shit lol. Just keep them banned, no reason to unban them lol
2015-11-03 05:43
Unban the players then, keep the ban on the org. KappaRoss
2015-11-03 06:05
People mad at the IBP throw is stupid ..you really think other teams haven't done the same?... they just never got caught .. thanks dborns girl...you fucking cunt
2015-11-03 06:11
This is what happens to criminals in other esports. They should consider themselves lucky. polygon.com/2015/10/18/9565509/starcraft.. EDIT: better article. engadget.com/2015/10/19/starcraft-player..
2015-11-03 06:17
Ummm this sc2 stuff is for real money.. not fucking shitty skins lost by 12 year olds that shouldn't be aloud to gamble in the first place...not really even comparable..
2015-11-03 06:21
I guarantee you that if they got away with it, money would have been the next step. Also you're literally retarded if you don't think Valve won't take any step to protect their multi-million dollar investment, including perma banning some tier 2 shitters.
2015-11-03 06:29
People keep saying "real money." Okay then. Anything worth value can be traded for real money, innit? One can lend you their car because they owe you money. Gold bricks can exchange hands instead of cash. What then? Would you say since it's not "real money" but a commodity worth value in "real money", it's not fraudulent to manipulate it? Steam Wallet is not a listed mode of payment at the World Bank or on your favorite apparel shopping site, is it? Yet Valve has its own "currency" worth value in real money which meets similar requirements albeit in the confinements of "their" digital world. What you need to realize is this - skins or no skins, Valve will stand by its product. Anyone who tarnishes the name of the product becomes expendable.
2015-11-03 11:23
"Suspected of receiving between 5 million and 20 million won for fixing games" Yep.
2015-11-03 06:21
match fixing =! match fixing Yep, sounds like ibp apologist logic.
2015-11-03 06:33
Match fixing one game, not equal to match fixing dozens of games.
2015-11-03 12:47
I'm not sure how this doesn't make sense to you. They did something wrong, and Valve punished them. Thats all there is to it. Valve owes them nothing.
2015-11-03 17:45
Should a person who kills 10 people get the same punishment as a person who killed one person? Why should throwing one game in which there are no rules about be a life sentence. The starcraft situation was multiple throws, against rules heavily set. CSGO had no rules regarding match fixing. And Valve has punished them, whether or not it is harsh enough is to be decided by Valve themselves.
2015-11-04 11:58
"CSGO had no rules regarding match fixing." This is exactly why it is even easier for Valve to have their way because there's no timeline or documentation to refer to. One could argue it's autocratic or dogmatic in nature but that's how it is.
2015-11-04 15:10
Funny how no ones seems to remember that KQLY was paid off to shut up about LDLC throwing (now EnvyUS)
2015-11-03 06:28
That's on him. If his silence could be bought, it shows his integrity overall, a facet of which got him the ban in the first place.
2015-11-03 11:25
He got a Vac ban so after about 6months after his vac ban happened the epsilon throw scandal. He was hinting in twitter that new scandal incoming, in which Happy (envyUS) replied rip french scene. Ofcourse when you're vac banned you got nothing to lose so some french players for sure paid him money to shut the up lets say this amount would be between 20k-50k thats nothing for pro players considering they would fuck up their career.
2015-11-03 13:50
if this is true they might as well jump into other competitive games... i mean the cs scene is a joke anyways..i can see all of them being more successful in other games.
2015-11-03 06:36
Maybe Swag could be let off the hook but i'd pretty much leave the game if Steal and co. had their bans lifted.
2015-11-03 06:47
great, ill show you the door
2015-11-03 16:21
Oh no you don't like me... i think i might cry
2015-11-04 01:24
#491
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World Tillt 
How does swag's dick taste?
2015-11-04 12:58
Dafuk is your problem nerd? I'm giving my fucking opinion you have a problem with that?! You go suck a dick, sounds like you need to.
2015-11-04 15:08
Actions cannot be undone. They knew the consequences and even then went through with the throw. That's the price all of them have to pay. It's sad since most of them are skilled CS players but in my opinion their bans should not be lifted at all so as to maintain the integrity of the game.
2015-11-03 07:08
just wait, bunch of kiddos about to tell you all about how 'there were no rules about throwing so how could steal & co know that it was wrong??!'
2015-11-03 09:23
If that happens that will be the most unjustified retort ever.
2015-11-03 11:27
There were no consequences at the time they knew nothing
2015-11-03 18:49
Ethics brother ethics. All sportsman/sportswoman should know this.
2015-11-03 20:07
he said indefinite not infinite lololol.. Meaning they may or may not be unbanned, just no set date, but probably will not be.
2015-11-03 07:13
#256
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Canada Amberr 
It is an indefinite ban, they aren't the only players who have been banned for match fixing, and the other guys got unbanned after a year, so what did iBP do that makes it worse so they should stay banned?
2015-11-03 07:37
#257
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Norway Magnetic/ 
Indefinite does not mean infinite, go back to school, op.
2015-11-03 07:40
#261
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Norway Dresno 
+1 i are think that
2015-11-03 09:30
#262
Happy | 
Brazil Kurtt 
match fix # cheating kqly,sf,smn,emilio,area = eternal ban ...that's for sure fxy0,gmx,uzzi,dazed,swag,steel,azk = ban until February 2016?
2015-11-03 09:32
no the ban review is something the csgo community just made up valve never officially stated they would even consider reviewing the iBP ban, they stand by their judgement
2015-11-03 19:33
LMAO REKT HARD ANALLY LOL.
2015-11-03 09:33
stone them like allah commands. then cut off the hand which clicked the button on the mouse that allowed them to receive their bet winnings from the throw. allah commands it. allah akbar .
2015-11-03 09:41
they have to stand by it. slay one to warn the masses. it's a deterrent measure, although little in effectiveness but not zero so it's better than nothing and sort of an official statement to the public for valve's stand on cheating and anti-competitive practices only the persistent and active action of seeking and banning cheaters will and can keep all cheaters at bay. i dont know how valve are going to stop the blatant cheaters in pro scene if they ever do intend to, imagine wiping all the cheaters then what? top 10 teams all gone? left 2-3 teams and have to find another 6-7 completely new teams out of nowhere to build a pro scene? or somehow "convince" all the pro scene cheaters to turn over a new leaf? lol this is some deep shit they have to fix
2015-11-03 10:07
slay one to warn the masses? are we fckn 3rd worlders? ban them for another year and it's fine. everyone will know match-fixing will result in a 2year long ban. for some players that's a whole career.
2015-11-03 11:09
well slay one to warn the masses is a typical technique used for many scenarios in real life. maybe valve just likes to do SOP stuff, no 1 knows, u gotta ask gaben and crew why they decide on this of all things
2015-11-03 11:12
Who decides what's fine or not? You? Me? Nope. Valve does. Valve is a business machine and CSGO is their product. If the lack of integrity from a few players put the brand in jeopardy, they'd better join the list of expendables.
2015-11-03 11:32
I only think that this whole indefinite statement is bullshit. you either ban them permanently or for a certain period of time. I think you could make a case for both sentencesbut not doing a judgement call is the wrong move.
2015-11-03 11:53
God you are like a copy of me. Continue the good work.
2015-11-04 06:48
it's cool. some people get banned like ibp. some people cheat to win majors like flusha. it's aite.
2015-11-03 09:58
rip swag, such a good player lets light a candle for him and for his rosy cheeks :3
2015-11-03 10:22
indefinite =/= infinite
2015-11-03 11:27
no oddshot no proof stupid thread maker
2015-11-03 11:48
+1 baguette
2015-11-03 16:19
This thread REALLY tickles my pickle.
2015-11-03 16:25
Give proof plox.
2015-11-03 16:34
who cares
2015-11-03 17:55
Well done, they are all retards and should never be unbanned.. next up, getting Virtus.Throw banned :^)
2015-11-03 17:55
How much
2015-11-03 18:08
not a dime.. don't bet..
2015-11-03 18:14
Yeah sure bud
2015-11-03 18:26
I don't even play anymore.. old and have a full time job and family.. I just enjoy seeing the game I love being played.. I watch matches when I have the time..
2015-11-03 18:39
Yeah ok bud. I bet
2015-11-03 18:40
have fun with that :)
2015-11-03 18:53
infinite ban XD indefinite retard 3rd world
2015-11-03 18:18
good
2015-11-03 18:25
RiP NA... SWAG, AZK.. really i'll miss u
2015-11-03 18:31
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars.
2015-11-03 18:35
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars.
2015-11-03 18:37
Imo they should be unbanned
2015-11-03 18:34
Nope, thief has a zero-tolerance
2015-11-03 18:36
unbanned for what? to throw another game for skins? nah, it was deserved
2015-11-04 00:05
#377
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Denmark mupzG 
#freeme
2015-11-03 18:41
just got rekt bro
2015-11-03 18:48
#392
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Sri Lanka King Ye 
fuck valve yo
2015-11-03 19:11
who cares if throwed, they losed the game its their problem. valve should have never ban them since they have nothing to do with it, on the last only cevo should have baned them and i dont see the point once again its their issue if they throw they are the ones losing. but whatever, skins were and always will be the cancer of this game.
2015-11-03 19:12
He says "indefinite" NOT infinite. The iBP bans are no different following that stream than they were 3 weeks ago. It's still indefinite. Super simple stuff.
2015-11-03 19:21
You're dumb, there was no "infinite" ban to stand by in the first place.... Their initial ban was indefinite.
2015-11-03 22:07
1 more year 1 more year woooo
2015-11-03 23:51
it was deserved.
2015-11-04 00:02
Some mistakes you only need to do once. Throwing was one of them.
2015-11-04 04:13
who cares about online skins
2015-11-04 04:56
Banned? Those guys should be sued for they money they stole from their fans and every guy who placed a bet on them.
2015-11-04 05:23
yeah the 12 year olds betting items that are not real money or else it would be illegal and lounge would get shut down.
2015-11-04 06:56
#490
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Europe  Skaarj  
Actually if something is worth real money, then it is about real money. They are lucky that they were not prosecuted. So let them live their life just keep them out of CS scene.
2015-11-04 12:58
this is so dumb, there was not even a specific rule about it and banning them for a year already crushed the na scene and sent a clear msg to all pros not to do it. fuck valve if they dont unban
2015-11-04 06:56
It's sad that people don't realise how bad match-fixing is and think that it's not a big deal.
2015-11-04 08:47
good :)
2015-11-04 08:50
ridicoulous tho how former epsilon player fxy0, uzziii & gmx received 1 year ban only
2015-11-04 10:53
Exactly. It should be the other way around. The first players to get caught receive the 1 year bans. After that, anyone caught is permanent.
2015-11-04 12:59
#553
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Belgium Axelele 
ex-Epsilon immediately admitted they threw, iBP were denying it until Valve had proof they threw.
2015-11-05 13:13
source?
2015-11-04 10:55
To be honest if iBP players want to do something about it, they cab. In a fact if VALVE bans those players = csgolounge is legal. If csgolounge is legal why arent they paying any taxes. IBP can make it easily to closing the fuc*ing site down. Greetings, iBP fanboy.
2015-11-04 10:59
#469
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
The truth is - They don't deserve to be unbanned. They should be thankful for that they are not in jail. And people who say "they took some skins, who cares?" are just retarded. Those "skins" are real money. There is alot more sites for e-sport betting and trust me, They bet alot of money there. We can't be sure how much money they "won" but I'm pretty sure they did alot. CSGOLounge skins + money from money betting sites = ? I think they should stay banned forever. And if it was up to me - I would call the police.
2015-11-04 11:14
During that time of CS there wasn't a rule in place along with stating what the consequences would be. If there was a rule specifically for match-fixing and the punishment being a permanent ban, then I don't think this would of happened at all (correct me if I'm wrong on the rule). Do I think they should have been suspended in some way, yes. Do I think there should have been a possible fine, yes. But I don't think they should be banned forever and Valve has already made a good example out of them already. Also, many people were speculating of several matches being thrown due to high ranked teams losing to teams they shouldn't lose to on paper. Anyone that bets should have at least put into consideration that throwing a match was a possibility (I did). Call the police? LOL.
2015-11-04 13:30
#523
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
Swag (maybe?)deserve to be unbanned but Dazed/steel/azk - have to find a new job. Thats how world works and don't tell me about "there is no such rule blablabla". Almost everyday, somewhere in the world, someone is arrested for match-fixing. Since the beggining of sport/betting era people was fixing matches to make money and They deserve to be punished. Don't tell me they didn't knew what they do. They knew it was illegal, they knew that if someone finds out they will probably get banned and they took the risk. Find rules about jumping from 4th floor of the building. Is there a rule You will die? No! If You want to do it You have to think about "maybe ill break one leg, maybe two, most likely die and maybe nothing bad will happen" so stop talking about the rules. You did something illegal and bad - be prepared for the consequences You took any kind of the risk - be prepared for the consequences If Valve will prove that others teams were involved in match-fixing - I hope they will ban for life all of them.
2015-11-04 18:00
There should be absolutely no way they unban 1 or 2 of them and keep other 2 banned. They all did the same thing and deserve the same consequence
2015-11-04 18:44
#535
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Europe JuliusCaesar 
To be honest I don't know what swag took from it and I don't care. They did something illegal and they should look for a new job. Im huge fan of VP/Golden5 (for 12 years) and if They will do something like this and some1 will prove it - ban them for life.
2015-11-04 18:59
infinite =/= permanent
2015-11-04 15:14
excuse me, but I think you may have gone full retard
2015-11-04 18:46
you mean indefinite?
2015-11-05 04:09
ITS NOT FAIR THAT PLAYERS THAT CHEATED HAVE SAME PENALTY LIKE THESE PLAYERS.
2015-11-04 15:19
throwing is worse than cheating
2015-11-04 18:47
tbh its boring without them:( but they got what they deserve(((
2015-11-04 15:22
Indefinite = Time is unstated This basically means they are banned until valve says otherwise. This does not mean they are banned for life
2015-11-04 15:52
good news
2015-11-04 20:51
I miss them,best team NA
2015-11-05 09:14
its okay :)
2015-11-05 13:34
if those guys were the only good thing to come out of NA then it's a pretty sad state of affairs. good riddance either way.
2015-11-05 14:30
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