This is called Mind Game. They did not wanted to play with again, so they lost match.. So simple.
Who would want to play against a stronger team rather than playing against a weaker team? (Im not saying that ESC are weak but they're not stronger than AGAiN.)
mousesport shold be banned, but dreamhack will not take actions against them. za germans played wisely but i hope ESC will beat them
accelerate and hit your face to the wall, last time mouz win against again
I agree, but not as dramatically as you though. A ban would be a bit much, especially considering the fact that we or the organisers don't know anything for sure.
I believe ESC will beat them anyway.
man,they cant prove that mouz faked the game,but its a great tac...
things like this will exist forever...
(karringan fucked my DT ¬¬)
for gods sake ..
wondering what would happen if your favorite team did this
Oh bo-hoo. EVERYONE would choose to play with a weaker team to be able to reach the final and prolly win it.
I missed it. What happened?
mouz should be banned cause they are smart ? wtf ?
There's one swedish team in every one of tomorrows matchups
THAT IS ALL
Hope that ESC fuck them :D
grow up kid.
life isn't fair.
Hey they only had a bad day...
it is not up to mousesports to decide who they will play. ESC worked hard to place 1st and now they must possibly play against the best team from group D. I'm sure ESC would have preferred to play Lions. I expect at least a penalty fee for mousesports.
IMO the org/lan should be blamed and not just Mouz. There was an easy way to prevent this; don't choose the next match ups until each group is done.
Does that mean Mouz should take no blame? No.
But consider: Sometimes the team will save their guns instead of going for plant/defuse. They are purposely losing the round. Of course they do it for a better chance to win the game. But isn't this what Mouz did? There is clear metaphor between the two. Mouz purposely lost this game for a better chance to win the tournament. It's the same idea, just a level up.
But, as I had Roman and Karrigan on my dreamteam, I cast aside all which seems reasonable to me and say, "Ban them!"
should be banned imo. Hate this kind of thing.
yeah, they should get banned because they are clever, and destroy the dreamteam from some users. :D
welcome to stupid.org or www.whine-mimimi.org
Smart play, nothing else to say.
they should at least hide the brackets till the group stage is finished....this is ridiculous teams losing on purpose
Yep they should be banned.
It's not cool what they did but you know, they are not just playing a game that we are watching, they are also playing for money. Every team got his interestes and I think what mouse did is normal. I feel sorry for all the users with fucked up dreamteam and bettings but when its about the money.. that's how the things are happening.
And don't forget that mTw did that many times.. they even paused their game just to wait for the final score between FX and X (dont remember) so they will know if they want to pass the group first or 2nd. :P
Omg, how many stories as it were with mtw, but all be good
they probably made their chances of finishing top3 double as high now, they are not gonna meet Na'Vi/SK or AGAiN before the grand finale - thats why its damn clever..
why blame someone who tries finishing as high as possible? douches
i REALLY don't care about any match on mirage, for real
Who decides whether if they can not play better or they do not want to play better?
They were smart, simple as that. Also, i don't know why K1CK played their 3 games in nuke... something stupid tbh (not saying that K1CK could did better).
Want to bet that mousesports will lose intended to Lions? :D
Lurpiss:they should if they're smart...
...once again an example of why events should NOT publish how the brackets will work out in advance
Smart play - sure
Fair play - mm not so much
I didn't watch any of their games, but if this was the case it just proves they don't believe in theirselves enough. A real major team (Na'vi, SK, golden five) would beat anyone no matter if it would result in a harder opponent.
Let's hope ESC will rape the germans HARD tomorrow.
tacky knifed chrisJ... OMG Ban ESC-Gaming :O! Your arguement is invalid :]
They are professionals. They should act like professionals. In every sport this kind of behaviour is punished, so must be in this case. "Oh well, this is not a real sport". Yes, maybe that's the kind of thinking that prevents e-sports from growing even more. It might be just a game, but envolves real money of ppl who bet on them, ppl who go to watch the matches, ppl who wake up early in the mourning or sleep late in the night. Therefore, it's not just a game.
In my opinion they should not be banned, but penalized. I would cut off a porcentage, a big one, like 50%, of their prize (if they get something), or, i like this option more, they should begin with some rounds handicap, or even a map. I mean, they start their match 0-8, or losing one map, idk...
they are smart , and you can't judge them why they lost the game , there is no rule for that
I didn't watch the match..buy u say that mousesports should be banned because they tryed to knife the opponent?
Just smart choice:
If Mouz win against ESC, they'll have to play against either fnatic or Anexis, rather than SK/NaVi/AGAIN...
1) You can't proove they lost intentionally.
2) Considering they play for money it's actually a reasonable decision, even if it's bad for competitiveness.
This could have been avoided if the organisers would have decided not to reveal the brackets.
The organisers should not reveal the brackets. So simple to solve.
YES i whas so f***ing mad when i saw the game, i thought it whas a joke!!! i was ranked 1 of all DT, then zonixx fucked it up, now im on 50th place :(
Jesus christ, why is it acceptable for them to CHEAT and MATCHMAKE?
Because everyone is doing it, is that the reason?
/facepalm so hard i genuinly started bleeding from my nose brb
ok make me understand, they lost(intentionally) against AGAiN and now they are in lower brackets ? (and here they are the best team, I suppose)
ceh9 was not banned for ghosting, why should mousesports be?
Undeniably Mousesports let LIONS win very easy.
The attempt to knife an LIONS player by Zonix,and some very amateur actions made by Mousesports speak of their intentions.
But,noone can prove that and Mousesports can say they had bad day,or weren't concentrated.
Even if PROVEN,mousesports should not been banned,for the simple reason because it is their choice and it is legal.Might not moral,legal it is.
mouz, you just lost my respect since 2006 :( there were times that u didnt care about brackets or upcoming opponents, just played your flawless game....
Admins should do random brackets and hope mouse will face sk :)
A true champion. Will win all the games.
I would NOT call a move by mousesports a smart move. They seem not to understand that it is not just getting to the top but it is also how you get there. Lions showed that they have balls, big respect for them!
how can you guys call this move smart? even a grand mother with dementia could understand that again placed 2nd and you probably don't want to place 1st to prevent facing again.
I can remember SK placing 2nd in group and M5 had to play 1 more easy match, if they won they would have to face SK and if they would lose a much much easier opponent. M5 ended up winning the match easily and facing SK, they lost but they gave SK a real good fight.
that's how this game is supposed to be played. if no one would care about sportsmanship in this game then everyone would be cheating online and trying to win conflicts for too man configs and flame each other during the game.
no 1 had a prolem wen mTw used to do it...why dont u guys stop whining...cos everything is fair in love and war :P
haha, every team did it before and will do it in the future
In the end its a game and Mousesports just played the game which would get them the best result. it would have been fun if lions tried to do the same as well ... imagine its would have been a long and boring game :P
All said and done Mouz has been getting pathetic luck with groups and brackets earlier and deserved better results than what dey had in this year IMO ..
btw they are reading your comments too and its takes guts to deliberately get FLamed by the whole community ..
Bad Sports Manship MOUSE SPORTS ( giving them wat they deserve :P ) * thumbs down * !! but well played
Ban? What a SHIT
After each groupstage of worldcup or eruocup U can say"Ban Brazil,Ban xxx"
I had 4 mouz players in my DT
I hate you all.
And In YOur fucking logic, every team that does 'eco' round should be bannde----because they not try their best to win this round?
U may say they did eco round for the whole match, then I say Mouz did this for the whole tour
This kind of things are made OFTEN in other sports too.. like NHL before playoffs.. or WRC Rallies after the first day when the starting positions are decided by the positions of the first day stages. if u start the all the second day stages from the spot 1 u'r going to lose seconds only because of the bad road dust etc shit. this is ok.. because it can turn out bad for teams abusing it like mousespots. there might be a story that 1 team loses to another on purpose and then ANOTHER team loses to the other on purpose so they become second(the last team) and with 3-way-tie the third team comes second on the group because of the so called "mind game" of the third party.
GUYS YOUR OVER REACTING!! THEY HAVE FULL RIGHT..THEY SHOULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO FOR WINNING..IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTERS IF THEY WIN EVENT..GL MOUZE
it's the organizer's faults for letting the brackets be known before the group is over. withhold that information until the groups are done and you won't have this problem. all mouz did was game the system. if anything, they should have just been less blatant about it and just saved their guns every round
mouse doesn’t give a shit about their viewers
But maybe their sponsors doesn’t give a shit about their costumers
and mouse had to play in line with company policy
No fair play from Mouz ._.
mouz > again
sorry no noobs
u cant ban a team for exploiting something that isnt in the rules, simple as that. I dont agree with what they did ethically though but it isnt against the rules and they will surely have a much easier time going through that bracket than having to beat two of the top 3 teams in the world in a row in the other bracket.
big events like this needs random pairings in the quarterfinals (still 1 vs. 2 from other group ofc), then all speculation will be removed.
Sorry to say, but it happens all the time, some teams do it all the time, others never do it.
As i said in the other thread,
This is why the rules need to be changed. In Australia the same thing used to happen all the time, the rule changed to something like:
After the groups, all the A seed teams are put into a bucket, and all the B seed teams put into another.
Then you randomly match up an A with a B (but we redraw if the A and B were from the same group).
This way the A seed still gets their advantage for winning the group (because they face a B Seed), but they don't know what path or who they will face. Fixes the problem straight up.
Esc Gaming 2-0 Mousesport Pls Esc
I loved mTw but they did the same several times.
and now mouz.
maybe it's clever but surely not a sportsmanship.
Umm .. mousesports are playing a bad tournament. They had a terible match against Eq and I think it was the same vs k1ck. And looking at Lions performance, 16-1 vs k1ck, and 16-4 vs Eq (after losing first 3 rounds) shows how strong and motivated Lions are. It was totaly expected that Lions will win. Not by a such big diffrence, but anyway, they would've won.
And releated to banning ... mousesports are not the first and definetly not the last team to do this. Loosing on purpose happens everytime, in every sport. It is called maatch planning, so that you can advance as far as pissible, haveing weaker oponents. And we are not talking about fair-play, this has nothing to do with fair-play, this is only a tactic.
Fail from organazers. All groups should have played at the same time,now you can do nothing,cuz you can't prove they did it on purpose,CS is pretty random.
this happens in every tournament
This match played at 1:00 AM, am i right? So, i dont think so but may be they are tired and dont give a shit bcoz they reached the finals already.
BUT I, as a Mouz fan, don't like this situation. They had to play well on this match.
Good call by mousesports. They totally have the right to lose this match on purpose as long as they are qualified and don't want to play AGAiN. Rules might need to be changed but no hard feelings for Mouz, they fucked my DT (I had 4 Mouz players in it...) but they definitely made the right choice to go far in the tournament.
And that's why they shouldn't show how bracket will look like and just make a draw like X1 vs Y2 so every team would play to be 1st in their group and face another groups 2nd teams.
no they shouldn't be banned they acted cowardly but smart !
I don't think the problem is with throwing the match it's the way they did it, trying to knife opponents constantly and making it obvious what they were doing. they could have at least attempted to get 12-13 rounds and still lost the match without acting like idiots. some people stayed up for 3 more hours because that game was delayed to witness mousesports running at lions with knives. clear lack of sportsmanship from mousesports by doing this to their fans and opponents
The Winners has the chioce rights!!!!!
It should be Lion VS ESC , and mousesports VS Again(fomer FX)
this just shows you how weak the system is
ban mousesport? it's imposible and unresonable.
rules is rules, people used to it
if i was lions i would type "kill" in the console all second half!
I have insider info , they were saving strats for the finals.
Such a naive thread.
If u know how to make a rule play in your favour, why wouldn't you do it ?
The problem here is the rule, not the attitude.
maybe it's not noble, but life is life.
in my opinion it is simple they did not wanted to play againste again so they loss on perpose and it is not againste the rule i think moss are clever they did what they did to win it is simple so stop asking for mous ban plz
Just hope that mouz will be rape by ESC.
admins fail! this game need play first not last
idk what is the problem people!! MOUZ's decision!!
The problem here is lack of foresight from the organisers. It's easy to overlook this so I have sympathy for them, but in general it's always a good idea to have the top seeds play the first game in each group, and to hold games between future bracket opponents at the same time so there's no possibility of match-throwing for strategic advantage. You can't blame a team for doing what's in their best interests.
how can you justify they played to lose ? they had their own way to play so you cant blame them for that, they have also a very tought oponent in front of them called ESC
from smart to stupid its just one step
Lions just were a better team
This isnt forbidden in any way or rule.
lions beat 2-1 again, why they can beat mouz?
who gives a shit again is gone!
+1 not good behavior when u are in topteam and have some fans u dont go into a match and want to lose it..
where in the rules does it say u cant lose on purpose cause of playing smart?
they do whatever they want lol.
I'm the only one here to think it's a great move ?
Like when a TOP team forfait one game for sleep more, it's just a good move for me.
It's not a "fairplay" question, they play well in & out of the game. For me it's the game.
(Soz for insane english..)
you play like you want, and theres no rules, that makes you playing seriously