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Pakistan ThrowForeSkins 
Do you think mousesports should be banned from dreamhack following their disgraceful performance against Lions? I think such behavior should not be tolerated and the dreamhack organization must set an example and ban them. Not only is this unfair but it is also ruining this competition. For those people who watched the match should know what I'm talking about. Trying to knife your opponent. I have lost all my sympathy for mousesports. It is always mousesports showing bad sportsmanship, if it isn't by filing match conflicts it is by intentionally losing matches to avoid opponents. ESC must have wanted to place 1st so they can play the 2nd team of group D but now it feels like ESC are playing the best team of group D. Unfair and disrespectful.
2011-11-26 01:56
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This is called Mind Game. They did not wanted to play with again, so they lost match.. So simple.
2011-11-26 01:58
2011-11-26 02:01
Sry for reply holek but I want everyone to see this comment. imagine that a team(for example mouz) unwittingly lose and will be unjustly banned.
2011-11-26 13:02
It's DreamHack's fault. They shouldn't let teams know how playoffs will be drawn and teams couldn't calculate. It has happened in the past and it was already said that tournaments letting everyone know how playoffs were drawn shouldn't do it anymore.
2011-11-26 16:44
+1 PD : chrisJ say hi to AGAiN xd
2011-11-26 02:03
2011-11-26 02:05
no, its called CHEATING or MATCHMAKING
2011-11-26 04:10
So what? You gonna force them to play better? Ban them for purposefully playing bad? Sounds stupid
2011-11-26 12:58
2011-11-26 13:32
Haha, no its not called Mind Game. LOL.
2011-11-26 05:32
this is called mTw style
2011-11-26 12:25
ok so in football you can just throw a match and call it mind game? they could atleast do it a little more subtle.. Just reflects poorly on mouz imo
2011-11-26 12:56
you think only mTw do this before?
2011-11-26 13:36
Threat and lions know that and still they play. Mouz after SK was my favourite team, now they aren't so, stupid :/. btw. SK is out of tournament so ESC and LIONS GO !
2011-11-26 13:01
Who would want to play against a stronger team rather than playing against a weaker team? (Im not saying that ESC are weak but they're not stronger than AGAiN.)
2011-11-26 01:59
op this isn't the first time a professional CS team has done this at lan. i'm not saying i support them losing on purpose like that, but ban them from the lan? what a joke.
2011-11-26 05:55
As far as I know Mouz is a very professional orga. They let ESC to use kARRIGAn as a stand in, and they never complain about ESL wire, or other stuffs like that, like they should have done in 1 tourney, can't rly remember which one it was :P
2011-11-26 06:07
Mouz is one of the best orgs :D gotta love em.
2011-11-26 06:17
True that :)
2011-11-26 13:12
Again has way more experience i could agree on that, but esc has just got kalle in, now chemistry will tell since lidde left, bro :) Beer?
2011-11-26 06:17
mousesport shold be banned, but dreamhack will not take actions against them. za germans played wisely but i hope ESC will beat them
2011-11-26 01:59
accelerate and hit your face to the wall, last time mouz win against again
2011-11-26 01:59
I agree, but not as dramatically as you though. A ban would be a bit much, especially considering the fact that we or the organisers don't know anything for sure. I believe ESC will beat them anyway.
2011-11-26 02:00
Esc is in good shape, i mean it isn't long time since kalle joined, and the chemistry seems to work alot already, bro (:
2011-11-26 06:18
yeah, hope they'll take out Na'Luck in the final.
2011-11-26 12:31
u mad? you are right, but banning them? come on! mtw wasnt also banned when they lost against k29 team at WCG 2010 just to help the other danish team advance
2011-11-26 02:00
2011-11-26 02:04
2011-11-26 02:00
man,they cant prove that mouz faked the game,but its a great tac... things like this will exist forever... (karringan fucked my DT ¬¬)
2011-11-26 02:00
lol how karrigan fucked your dt? he had all games + $ in dt...
2011-11-26 02:18
Finland coswell
Yup.. +12k wasnt enough?
2011-11-26 04:42
should have been +30, atleast. much wants moooore!:D
2011-11-26 08:27
he can gets more,understand?
2011-11-26 12:35
he fucked your team only if you didnt put him awp role..
2011-11-26 13:04
i did,just kidding ;P
2011-11-26 15:22
for gods sake .. wondering what would happen if your favorite team did this
2011-11-26 02:01
2011-11-26 02:18
no he didnt,i am not playing DT at all
2011-11-26 02:15
ops sry , i replied wrong guy :D
2011-11-26 02:17
Oh bo-hoo. EVERYONE would choose to play with a weaker team to be able to reach the final and prolly win it.
2011-11-26 02:01
except Lions apparently
2011-11-26 02:03
No, 'cause they weren't the FIRST ones thinking that, it was mouz. How embarrasing would it be for them to try to lose the match when mouz planned it before?
2011-11-26 02:04
it would be hilarious though that's for sure :D watching two teams trying to lose, mohahaha
2011-11-26 02:05
Yeah for us it would be, for them - would be the most embarrasing thing of their career,lol..
2011-11-26 02:06
2011-11-26 04:18
Of course they were thinking that, but chose to do the morally right thing.
2011-11-26 02:15
+1 They are not dumb
2011-11-26 02:28
Well they will consider them dumb IF mouz gets away with the money...
2011-11-26 02:30
Not everything in this world is about money. ;)
2011-11-26 02:45
I know, and I'm the first one to back that up. But people who plays CS professional, rly want to get money, 'cause they don't have a job?...or continuing to study?
2011-11-26 02:48
Some of them study? I totally get that it's easy to fall for the temptation of doing such a move. Just saying that it's morally wrong, which it is. And it certainly got nothing to do with mouz being smarter than Lions. Lions could've done exactly the same thing if they wanted to, which would turn into a ridiculous CS match. A drugged out monkey can realise the benefit of losing a game like that. I also think it's a cultural thing, but that is just an opinion.
2011-11-26 03:45
i thought it would be funny if they just didn't plant or shoot every round of second half. since mouz got two rounds in the first half, lions would beat mouz at losing :p there was no chance of it being a good game after the 1st half. at least that would've added a bit of ridiculousness, to see lions just sitting in spawn or something every round of the second half in protest of mouz's actions--or lack of them-- in the first half.
2011-11-26 02:28
I missed it. What happened?
2011-11-26 02:02
Brazil joaowns
Mouz lost intentionally against Lions in order to face ESC on next stage, and avoiding AGAiN...
2011-11-26 02:38
Sounds shady, but honestly I don't think there's a team that wouldn't do that exact same thing (though maybe not make it so obvious). It's dreamhack's fault for releasing brackets before groups were finished. They did the exact same thing last year for quake and there were players who threw games (really blatantly) to avoid playing a stronger player in the playoffs. It's dreamhack's fault for releasing the brackets before groups were done. It's sad that it isn't the first time dreamhack has made this mistake.
2011-11-26 06:43
Brazil joaowns
Yeah, the orga has it's blame too, but that doesn't exonerate mouz. Next year dreamhack should avoid that. On the other hand, I don't know if you watched to THREAT's ivew in wich he said Lions will always wanna win their games, no matter what. I think SK would have tried to win; navi I can't really tell, since they got that scumbag ceh9; AGAiN would have tried to win; so would fnatic etc. Bottom of line, the real top teams would have tried to win. Mouz lost my respect, and i wish they lose 16 to -16.
2011-11-26 09:48
I think a lot of teams would have tried not to win but wouldn't have done it in such an obvious and disrespectful way. That is if they knew they'd get a much, much easier bracket if they lost. It's shady, but it's not really like they're the only team who wouldn't do it. I saw threat's interview and he's an awesome guy and I'm pulling for them (and against mouz) but it's understandable to want to be in the easier bracket just not to do it in such a rude and blatant way. And yeah, hopefully dreamhack won't do it again in the future, but like I said, they did the EXACT same thing last year and it produced the EXACT same controversy. So it's not like they learn. They'll probably do the exact same thing next year. Dreamhack fail. =/
2011-11-26 10:03
mouz should be banned cause they are smart ? wtf ?
2011-11-26 02:02
HEY GUYS GUYS There's one swedish team in every one of tomorrows matchups THAT IS ALL
2011-11-26 02:02
Argentina epov.boris
Hope that ESC fuck them :D
2011-11-26 02:04
grow up kid. life isn't fair.
2011-11-26 02:05
Hey they only had a bad day...
2011-11-26 02:05
2011-11-26 02:06
it is not up to mousesports to decide who they will play. ESC worked hard to place 1st and now they must possibly play against the best team from group D. I'm sure ESC would have preferred to play Lions. I expect at least a penalty fee for mousesports.
2011-11-26 02:05
how can you prove that? lol!
2011-11-26 18:41
IMO the org/lan should be blamed and not just Mouz. There was an easy way to prevent this; don't choose the next match ups until each group is done. Does that mean Mouz should take no blame? No. But consider: Sometimes the team will save their guns instead of going for plant/defuse. They are purposely losing the round. Of course they do it for a better chance to win the game. But isn't this what Mouz did? There is clear metaphor between the two. Mouz purposely lost this game for a better chance to win the tournament. It's the same idea, just a level up. But, as I had Roman and Karrigan on my dreamteam, I cast aside all which seems reasonable to me and say, "Ban them!"
2011-11-26 02:06
Yeah this is dreamhack's fault, and not mouz. The EXACT same thing happened at dreamhack last year for quake where they released the brackets before group stage had finished and a couple of players threw their matches (really obviously too) in order to play weaker opponents. Apparently dreamhack admins never learn from their mistakes. It's dreamhack's fault.
2011-11-26 02:13
LOL that's pretty sad then
2011-11-26 02:15
should be banned imo. Hate this kind of thing.
2011-11-26 02:07
yeah, they should get banned because they are clever, and destroy the dreamteam from some users. :D welcome to or
2011-11-26 02:11
athletes in sports gets punished if they lose on purpose, so why shouldn't mouz be? :>
2011-11-26 02:10
epsort is no real sport ;) but you are right ofc
2011-11-26 02:12
he is german.... what ealse did u expect him to answer rofl
2011-11-26 02:13
im from brazil
2011-11-26 02:14
Sure you are :)
2011-11-26 02:15
town: recife, boa viagem , curado 3. living in germany for 7 seven years
2011-11-26 02:17
Ofc :) whatever makes you sleep at night my friend
2011-11-26 02:19
Brazil joaowns
That explains your way of thinking... Always trying to do things the easier, but not always the right, way
2011-11-26 02:40
what a retarted guy are you? lol you are swedish, sitting the whole day in your chamber and play counter strike. srsly
2011-11-26 02:18
Haha you mad? And btw how did you know? :O
2011-11-26 02:22
i could ask u the same :) why do u link his answer with his nationality?
2011-11-26 02:23
You tell me? Since you seem to know me better then i do lol.
2011-11-26 02:24
2011-11-26 02:37
the problem is that you have to prove they lost on purpose, which is close to impossible.
2011-11-26 02:15
Smart play, nothing else to say.
2011-11-26 02:10
they should at least hide the brackets till the group stage is finished....this is ridiculous teams losing on purpose
2011-11-26 02:15
Yep they should be banned.
2011-11-26 02:15
It's not cool what they did but you know, they are not just playing a game that we are watching, they are also playing for money. Every team got his interestes and I think what mouse did is normal. I feel sorry for all the users with fucked up dreamteam and bettings but when its about the money.. that's how the things are happening. And don't forget that mTw did that many times.. they even paused their game just to wait for the final score between FX and X (dont remember) so they will know if they want to pass the group first or 2nd. :P
2011-11-26 02:16
Hahaha that mTw match was so funny... :D As I remember a same kind of forum was opened after they paused the game to wait for a result... but still, marked as "Denmark2" they almost won WCG while arcadion's team lost to a giant in the qquarterfinals so considerning the prize money I think mouz's move is kind of justified. :D
2011-11-26 03:20
Omg, how many stories as it were with mtw, but all be good
2011-11-26 02:17
they probably made their chances of finishing top3 double as high now, they are not gonna meet Na'Vi/SK or AGAiN before the grand finale - thats why its damn clever.. why blame someone who tries finishing as high as possible? douches
2011-11-26 02:18
Brazil joaowns
Oh yeah... Nice thought. Ved1mak was just trying to achieve a higher position aswell. That was cool for you, i suppose, right? Dumbass
2011-11-26 02:34
Yeah, damn clever. Takes a mastermind to think of something that clever. duh There's something called moral. In sports and games it's called fairplay. Those who don't have that tend to be the douchebags.
2011-11-26 02:43
Brazil hugoooo
i REALLY don't care about any match on mirage, for real
2011-11-26 02:18
Who decides whether if they can not play better or they do not want to play better?
2011-11-26 02:18
Well, the team itself of course. This kind of "behaviour" exists in every sport. Of course it results in rants from supporters and such, but if the team has more to win than to lose I guess they shouldn't feel shame. It's a shame really cause mouz is a great team, they'd definitely put up a good game against the poles if they actually tried winning this game.
2011-11-26 02:24
But if the match would have ended 16:14, it could have also be foul play. It was just too obvious. But You're right, the winning team can at least blame them.
2011-11-26 02:36
Now that I think about it, why didn't they just put up a good fight and just give up at like 12-12? Wouldn't look that suspicious then...
2011-11-26 02:48
They were smart, simple as that. Also, i don't know why K1CK played their 3 games in nuke... something stupid tbh (not saying that K1CK could did better).
2011-11-26 02:19
with fox awping they would have done better! playing nuke was a rly bad tactic by k1ck
2011-11-26 02:20
True :)
2011-11-26 02:21
Want to bet that mousesports will lose intended to Lions? :D Lurpiss:they should if they're smart... ...once again an example of why events should NOT publish how the brackets will work out in advance
2011-11-26 02:20
dude... players can allways figuer it out on there own
2011-11-26 02:46
Smart play - sure Fair play - mm not so much I didn't watch any of their games, but if this was the case it just proves they don't believe in theirselves enough. A real major team (Na'vi, SK, golden five) would beat anyone no matter if it would result in a harder opponent. Let's hope ESC will rape the germans HARD tomorrow.
2011-11-26 02:22
tacky knifed chrisJ... OMG Ban ESC-Gaming :O! Your arguement is invalid :]
2011-11-26 02:31
Brazil joaowns
They are professionals. They should act like professionals. In every sport this kind of behaviour is punished, so must be in this case. "Oh well, this is not a real sport". Yes, maybe that's the kind of thinking that prevents e-sports from growing even more. It might be just a game, but envolves real money of ppl who bet on them, ppl who go to watch the matches, ppl who wake up early in the mourning or sleep late in the night. Therefore, it's not just a game. In my opinion they should not be banned, but penalized. I would cut off a porcentage, a big one, like 50%, of their prize (if they get something), or, i like this option more, they should begin with some rounds handicap, or even a map. I mean, they start their match 0-8, or losing one map, idk...
2011-11-26 02:32
they are smart , and you can't judge them why they lost the game , there is no rule for that
2011-11-26 02:33
I didn't watch the u say that mousesports should be banned because they tryed to knife the opponent?
2011-11-26 02:33
no mouse lost on purpose to avoid again in quarter and sk/navi in semi finals
2011-11-26 02:35
no, zonixx did try to knife towards the end, but that was the least of it. the whole first half mouz just ran around with no strats, no cares, no fakes, nothing strategic done. they'd get picked off one by one, hang out in halls for awhile doing nothing (and not setting up a strat), etc. it was obvious they weren't doing what they could to win.
2011-11-26 02:38
Just smart choice: If Mouz win against ESC, they'll have to play against either fnatic or Anexis, rather than SK/NaVi/AGAIN...
2011-11-26 02:34
noobs mouse
2011-11-26 02:35
1) You can't proove they lost intentionally. 2) Considering they play for money it's actually a reasonable decision, even if it's bad for competitiveness. This could have been avoided if the organisers would have decided not to reveal the brackets.
2011-11-26 02:37
+1 especially when the map is mirage, quite random
2011-11-26 02:40
they were trying for knife kills you stupid fuck
2011-11-26 04:07
hey take it easy... and what does it have to do with the case? still, you can't PROOVE they lost intentionally.
2011-11-26 13:16
The organisers should not reveal the brackets. So simple to solve.
2011-11-26 02:51
YES i whas so f***ing mad when i saw the game, i thought it whas a joke!!! i was ranked 1 of all DT, then zonixx fucked it up, now im on 50th place :(
2011-11-26 02:54
Brazil joaowns
Okay, now imagine those who bet on mouz winning lions (which was pretty probable)... They weren't just prevented from earning cash, but they also LOST MONEY...
2011-11-26 03:27
Imaginary money anyhow. :p
2011-11-26 03:47
Jesus christ, why is it acceptable for them to CHEAT and MATCHMAKE? Because everyone is doing it, is that the reason? /facepalm so hard i genuinly started bleeding from my nose brb
2011-11-26 04:08
Brazil joaowns
100% agree dude. I don't know if navi suffered any penalty because of ceh9's ghosting, but if not, does that mean it is allowed? And i'd go beyond rules, does it mean it's moral ghosting?
2011-11-26 04:13
yeah i dont think na'vi should be punished, but its rly hard to just punish ceh9 alone :/
2011-11-26 04:14
ok make me understand, they lost(intentionally) against AGAiN and now they are in lower brackets ? (and here they are the best team, I suppose)
2011-11-26 04:15
There is no lower bracket. I will explain: mouz lost intentionally to lions so that the quarterfinals are: mouz vs. esc lions vs. again (sk vs. navi) (fnatic vs. anexis) In other words, by losing, they do not play against Again. Moreover, the winner in the match against Again faces the winner of Sk vs. Navi. So, to get to the finals, because they won Lions must beat two out of three of: Again, Navi, SK (depending on who wins navi/sk). On the other hand, by losing, Mouz first play Esc, and if they beat Esc, they play the winner of Fnatic vs. Anexis. So, to get to the finals, Mouz must beat two out of three of: Esc, Fnatic, Anexis (depending on who wins fnatic/anexis). So by losing they got the 'easier' matchups leading to the finals. Lions have to beat two of the top three teams in the world to make it to the finals, while Mouz must beat two of top 10 teams to make it to the finals.
2011-11-26 06:38
ceh9 was not banned for ghosting, why should mousesports be?
2011-11-26 04:21
Undeniably Mousesports let LIONS win very easy. The attempt to knife an LIONS player by Zonix,and some very amateur actions made by Mousesports speak of their intentions. But,noone can prove that and Mousesports can say they had bad day,or weren't concentrated. Even if PROVEN,mousesports should not been banned,for the simple reason because it is their choice and it is legal.Might not moral,legal it is.
2011-11-26 04:31
mouz -ninja +ceh9 !!!!!!
2011-11-26 04:39
mouz, you just lost my respect since 2006 :( there were times that u didnt care about brackets or upcoming opponents, just played your flawless game....
2011-11-26 04:44
what happened? :s
2011-11-26 06:26
#117 i'm sure they're very upset about that they'd rather have your respect than a better shot at thousands of dollars in prize money.....lawl
2011-11-26 08:51
Admins should do random brackets and hope mouse will face sk :)
2011-11-26 05:06
A true champion. Will win all the games.
2011-11-26 05:45
2011-11-26 05:49
India h8or
2011-11-26 10:01
I would NOT call a move by mousesports a smart move. They seem not to understand that it is not just getting to the top but it is also how you get there. Lions showed that they have balls, big respect for them!
2011-11-26 05:57
What happened? bracketmiss?
2011-11-26 06:28
they intentionally lost agains lion, playing with knife etc. very lame. evading again in the playoffs. people think it is smart but lions knew about this, they could have easily done the same but decided to show sportmanship unlike mouz who always shows extremely bad sportsmanship
2011-11-26 06:55
ty m8
2011-11-26 07:28
how can you guys call this move smart? even a grand mother with dementia could understand that again placed 2nd and you probably don't want to place 1st to prevent facing again. I can remember SK placing 2nd in group and M5 had to play 1 more easy match, if they won they would have to face SK and if they would lose a much much easier opponent. M5 ended up winning the match easily and facing SK, they lost but they gave SK a real good fight. that's how this game is supposed to be played. if no one would care about sportsmanship in this game then everyone would be cheating online and trying to win conflicts for too man configs and flame each other during the game.
2011-11-26 06:10
no 1 had a prolem wen mTw used to do it...why dont u guys stop whining...cos everything is fair in love and war :P
2011-11-26 06:25
haha, every team did it before and will do it in the future
2011-11-26 06:25
Tight match if so
2011-11-26 06:26
India j4v0
In the end its a game and Mousesports just played the game which would get them the best result. it would have been fun if lions tried to do the same as well ... imagine its would have been a long and boring game :P All said and done Mouz has been getting pathetic luck with groups and brackets earlier and deserved better results than what dey had in this year IMO .. btw they are reading your comments too and its takes guts to deliberately get FLamed by the whole community .. Bad Sports Manship MOUSE SPORTS ( giving them wat they deserve :P ) * thumbs down * !! but well played
2011-11-26 06:30
they only attended 1 lan so far and were very lucky with an easy group and facing lions instead of navi/sk/again this time they once again have the easier group
2011-11-26 06:46
India j4v0 IEM 6 ESWC Dude not supporting what they did here but after making a completely new lineup last year they are doing good and they deserve to get some good results , which is in the larger interest of CS. if they dont then mousesports might not have a CS team in the future would you like that???
2011-11-26 08:10
Ban? What a SHIT After each groupstage of worldcup or eruocup U can say"Ban Brazil,Ban xxx"
2011-11-26 06:37
I had 4 mouz players in my DT I hate you all.
2011-11-26 06:42
And In YOur fucking logic, every team that does 'eco' round should be bannde----because they not try their best to win this round? U may say they did eco round for the whole match, then I say Mouz did this for the whole tour
2011-11-26 06:44
I'm sorry but you have an IQ of a bowl of instant noodles. no on is talking about winning rounds, we are talking about winning a match. I have never seen anyone do an eco in the last round. You think this is smart? Then why Lions didn't do this? They knew about this beforehand. It has nothing to do with smart, a demented grandmother would know if you placed 1st you would have to face again but still Lions showed sportsmanship and tried their best.
2011-11-26 06:58
'U have never seen anyone do an eco in the last round'? I have never seen anyone do what mouz did in the grand final. THen? What u wanna say? all in all, this is Nothing with smart OK? Just a tactic as 'eco' was. And your IQ really sucks
2011-11-26 09:25
eco is a tactic? hummm!
2011-11-26 13:00
Finland FRGVN
This kind of things are made OFTEN in other sports too.. like NHL before playoffs.. or WRC Rallies after the first day when the starting positions are decided by the positions of the first day stages. if u start the all the second day stages from the spot 1 u'r going to lose seconds only because of the bad road dust etc shit. this is ok.. because it can turn out bad for teams abusing it like mousespots. there might be a story that 1 team loses to another on purpose and then ANOTHER team loses to the other on purpose so they become second(the last team) and with 3-way-tie the third team comes second on the group because of the so called "mind game" of the third party.
2011-11-26 07:03
2011-11-26 07:22
so you're saying they have every right to use wallhack or show very bad sportsmanship?
2011-11-26 07:38
To be honest I don't think there's much point in trying to convince them about this. If one doesn't see how pathetic and disrespectful mouse's conduct is it's probably because one has no real conception of fair play and the morality of it. To be very blunt I think it's to a large extent an age thing. Many people here are to young and immature to fully grasp such notions. And as far as I'm concerned it's a bit disconcerting to see that kind of behaviour when it was just a week ago or so that a NaVi-player got caught cheating (ghosting). You'd think there would be discussions about how common these kinds of behaviours are and what to do about it rather than people excusing it and looking the other way.
2011-11-26 08:45
wrong wrong wrong. ceh wasn't caught ghosting. was caught looking at the screen, that's very different. and yeah easy for you kids speaking from mature of you!
2011-11-26 12:55
Actually cArn talked about that situation at some length on a (swedish)stream yesterday saying that that it wasn't just the situation that was filmed that occured. Ceh9 did the same thing the entire game, and it wasn't just about looking but either, even if the film didn't have the best quality making abit hard to see, perhaps. If the fnatic team, standing right there the whole game is convinced he cheated, then i certainly won't trust navi, the very people who have every reason to deny the accusations over them. fnatic don't have any stake in the situation and therefor no reason to lie.
2011-11-26 13:02
the matter here isn't if ceh ghosted or not, it's about being caught, which he wasn't. and yeah good for you that you trust carn, i don't trust him, he aswell tried an illegal defuse in his match against m5 but he is requiring good morals and sportsmanship from others?
2011-11-26 13:11
Of course it's a matter of wether he did indeed cheat or not. Or do you, as some in this thread moronically have suggested, mean that it's okay to cheat as long as you don't get caught? You suggesting that cArn isn't to be trusted I don't buy at all; he seems to me to have been a sensible person with integrity for a long time. Further more, it wasn't just him but more people from the fnatic team that all are convinced about the same thing. I suppose they're all liers and we should really trust the people who are accused?
2011-11-26 13:39
the thing is that the only time they caught him looking at the big screen, na'vi lost a 2 v yeah, i moronically say i'm not 100% sure they cheated. and i just gave you a 100% proof carn tried "cheating" aswell. but as you say, carn has more integrity...right. learn to believe what you see, not what you are being told!
2011-11-26 21:36
it's the organizer's faults for letting the brackets be known before the group is over. withhold that information until the groups are done and you won't have this problem. all mouz did was game the system. if anything, they should have just been less blatant about it and just saved their guns every round
2011-11-26 07:57
you are right
2011-11-26 08:15
mouse doesn’t give a shit about their viewers But maybe their sponsors doesn’t give a shit about their costumers and mouse had to play in line with company policy
2011-11-26 08:36
No fair play from Mouz ._.
2011-11-26 08:38
mouz > again sorry no noobs
2011-11-26 08:47
u cant ban a team for exploiting something that isnt in the rules, simple as that. I dont agree with what they did ethically though but it isnt against the rules and they will surely have a much easier time going through that bracket than having to beat two of the top 3 teams in the world in a row in the other bracket.
2011-11-26 08:59
big events like this needs random pairings in the quarterfinals (still 1 vs. 2 from other group ofc), then all speculation will be removed.
2011-11-26 09:10
Sorry to say, but it happens all the time, some teams do it all the time, others never do it. As i said in the other thread, This is why the rules need to be changed. In Australia the same thing used to happen all the time, the rule changed to something like: After the groups, all the A seed teams are put into a bucket, and all the B seed teams put into another. Then you randomly match up an A with a B (but we redraw if the A and B were from the same group). This way the A seed still gets their advantage for winning the group (because they face a B Seed), but they don't know what path or who they will face. Fixes the problem straight up.
2011-11-26 09:11
Yeh imo this is the right (and only) way of going about trying to solve this. Pre-drawing playoffs before the groups are even finished is really quite stupid and is just open to a ton of abuse, as clearly evident by this comp and many in the past. The alternative of enforcing sportsmanship rules or something is simply not feesable due to it never being possible to prove without a doubt whether a team is throwing a game or not.
2011-11-26 10:13
Esc Gaming 2-0 Mousesport Pls Esc
2011-11-26 09:51
in your sweety dreams)))
2011-11-26 13:34
I loved mTw but they did the same several times. and now mouz. maybe it's clever but surely not a sportsmanship.
2011-11-26 09:54
Umm .. mousesports are playing a bad tournament. They had a terible match against Eq and I think it was the same vs k1ck. And looking at Lions performance, 16-1 vs k1ck, and 16-4 vs Eq (after losing first 3 rounds) shows how strong and motivated Lions are. It was totaly expected that Lions will win. Not by a such big diffrence, but anyway, they would've won. And releated to banning ... mousesports are not the first and definetly not the last team to do this. Loosing on purpose happens everytime, in every sport. It is called maatch planning, so that you can advance as far as pissible, haveing weaker oponents. And we are not talking about fair-play, this has nothing to do with fair-play, this is only a tactic.
2011-11-26 09:58
India h8or
smart germans xD
2011-11-26 10:01
Fail from organazers. All groups should have played at the same time,now you can do nothing,cuz you can't prove they did it on purpose,CS is pretty random.
2011-11-26 10:08
stupid thread this happens in every tournament kthxbye
2011-11-26 10:10
but we think that rule is awful
2011-11-26 12:42
it is! I think we all agree on that
2011-11-26 13:18
This match played at 1:00 AM, am i right? So, i dont think so but may be they are tired and dont give a shit bcoz they reached the finals already. BUT I, as a Mouz fan, don't like this situation. They had to play well on this match.
2011-11-26 11:18
Good call by mousesports. They totally have the right to lose this match on purpose as long as they are qualified and don't want to play AGAiN. Rules might need to be changed but no hard feelings for Mouz, they fucked my DT (I had 4 Mouz players in it...) but they definitely made the right choice to go far in the tournament.
2011-11-26 11:27
And that's why they shouldn't show how bracket will look like and just make a draw like X1 vs Y2 so every team would play to be 1st in their group and face another groups 2nd teams.
2011-11-26 11:57
no they shouldn't be banned they acted cowardly but smart !
2011-11-26 12:16
I don't think the problem is with throwing the match it's the way they did it, trying to knife opponents constantly and making it obvious what they were doing. they could have at least attempted to get 12-13 rounds and still lost the match without acting like idiots. some people stayed up for 3 more hours because that game was delayed to witness mousesports running at lions with knives. clear lack of sportsmanship from mousesports by doing this to their fans and opponents
2011-11-26 12:33
The Winners has the chioce rights!!!!! It should be Lion VS ESC , and mousesports VS Again(fomer FX) it's fair.
2011-11-26 12:39
if Lion as winner wants to play with ESC, and ESC as winner agree with that, it should be.
2011-11-26 12:40
this just shows you how weak the system is
2011-11-26 12:52
ban mousesport? it's imposible and unresonable. rules is rules, people used to it
2011-11-26 12:53
if i was lions i would type "kill" in the console all second half!
2011-11-26 12:59
hahaha, you are awesome
2011-11-26 13:08
but here we'll blame lion now
2011-11-26 13:15
I have insider info , they were saving strats for the finals.
2011-11-26 12:59
Such a naive thread. If u know how to make a rule play in your favour, why wouldn't you do it ? The problem here is the rule, not the attitude.
2011-11-26 13:04
maybe it's not noble, but life is life.
2011-11-26 13:31
in my opinion it is simple they did not wanted to play againste again so they loss on perpose and it is not againste the rule i think moss are clever they did what they did to win it is simple so stop asking for mous ban plz
2011-11-26 13:32
Just hope that mouz will be rape by ESC.
2011-11-26 13:35
Ukraine gungrave
admins fail! this game need play first not last
2011-11-26 13:38
that's right
2011-11-26 13:43
idk what is the problem people!! MOUZ's decision!!
2011-11-26 13:40
The problem here is lack of foresight from the organisers. It's easy to overlook this so I have sympathy for them, but in general it's always a good idea to have the top seeds play the first game in each group, and to hold games between future bracket opponents at the same time so there's no possibility of match-throwing for strategic advantage. You can't blame a team for doing what's in their best interests.
2011-11-26 13:44
how can you justify they played to lose ? they had their own way to play so you cant blame them for that, they have also a very tought oponent in front of them called ESC
2011-11-26 13:46
from smart to stupid its just one step
2011-11-26 15:37
Lions just were a better team
2011-11-26 16:32
haha good one
2011-11-26 16:38
This isnt forbidden in any way or rule.
2011-11-26 16:36
lions beat 2-1 again, why they can beat mouz?
2011-11-26 16:37
who gives a shit again is gone!
2011-11-26 16:39
+1 not good behavior when u are in topteam and have some fans u dont go into a match and want to lose it..
2011-11-26 16:40
Netherlands rajino
where in the rules does it say u cant lose on purpose cause of playing smart?
2011-11-26 16:48
fairplay rule?
2011-11-26 17:00
Brazil joaowns
Too good the are very smart. Too bad they aren't just as skilled as they are smart, CONGRATZ for fnatic, SHAME on mouz.
2011-11-26 19:53
they do whatever they want lol.
2011-11-26 17:04
What happened ?
2011-11-26 17:22
go cry some more!
2011-11-26 18:34
I'm the only one here to think it's a great move ? Like when a TOP team forfait one game for sleep more, it's just a good move for me. It's not a "fairplay" question, they play well in & out of the game. For me it's the game. (Soz for insane english..)
2011-11-26 18:45
well, OF COURSE it's a great move. the thing people are questioning if it was fairplay, which it wasn't.
2011-11-26 20:05
Portugal wakens
you play like you want, and theres no rules, that makes you playing seriously
2011-11-26 20:08
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