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Best team in 2011: AGAiN or SK ???
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Sweden cArn@dSn 
The last big event in 2011 WCG has just finished with AGAiN/ESC saw off SK to become the champions for the 3rd time. Now it's the time to look back a pretty busy year for CS 1.6 to see which team is the best in 2011. I've made a quick summary of all the winners of major events held this year with corresponding money won 1. Winners: img84.imageshack.us/img84/3387/screensho.. 2. Money won img198.imageshack.us/img198/8682/screens.. AGAiN won 4 big events: Xperia PLAY Copenhagen, e-Star Seoul, SEC and WCG while finishing 2nd by 3 times:ICSC 7, IEM Global Final V and ICSC 9. Total money won: $99,308 SK on the other hand came out on top at 5 events: DH Summer, GameGune, ICSC 8, IEM New York and ESWC. They lost 3 times in the finals: Xperia, e-Star and WCG. Total money won: $86,637 It's obvious that AGAiN is team of the year 2011 (money-wise). Moreover, AGAiN also overcame SK 3 times in the finals of rather big events: Xperia, e-Star and WCG. They performed consistently over the year despite many trouble with sponsors and so on. Therefore I would pick AGAiN as team of the year 2011. Congratulations to Neo and his teammates for such a big achievement. The 3rd place will be the fight between Na`Vi and fnatic. While Na`Vi only won 1 big (probably the biggest) event - IEM Global, fnatic triumphed at 3 major events: IEM Europe, IEM Guangzhou and MSI BEAT IT. Considering all the up and down moments fnatic had to face in 2011 and the head-to-head results between two teams, I would place fnatic as the 3rd team in 2011 What do you guys think about this? milandini
2011-12-15 16:36
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it's ok :) good job ;)
2011-12-15 16:40
2 replies
fnatic have ~69000 $ not 57000 see ESL fnatic page
2011-12-17 15:52
1 reply
rly?
2011-12-17 17:33
AGAiN, no question. SK had such a good run that some people can't get it out of their heads that in the long run again did better.
2011-12-15 16:43
3 replies
SK>bald poles anytime yes im a fanboy
2011-12-15 20:04
2 replies
Fanboy and troll, we all know that.
2011-12-15 20:30
1 reply
telling the truth is not trolling
2011-12-15 21:06
GJ
2011-12-15 16:44
#4
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Europe chespiZ
NA'VI era ENd :D
2011-12-15 16:46
15 replies
Yeah, Na`Vi didn't play good in the last events, but they have so many fans... especialy markeloff.
2011-12-15 16:51
6 replies
of course he does, he was the best player in the last two years
2011-12-15 17:21
5 replies
false
2011-12-16 06:10
4 replies
true
2011-12-16 21:03
3 replies
false
2011-12-17 04:16
2 replies
true
2011-12-18 21:09
1 reply
TRUE MOTHERFUCKER.. false
2011-12-19 05:47
dreamer, Na'Vi era was divided between 3 teams this year. 2012 year will be the year of Na'Vi team
2011-12-15 17:45
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#62
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Europe chespiZ
keep dreaming :D 2012 top will be SK,mouz,ESC,fnatic
2011-12-15 17:47
3 replies
+1 :]
2011-12-15 18:08
keep dreaming... Na`Vi will be in top1-3 anyway.
2011-12-15 19:45
ok, will see
2011-12-15 19:56
#88
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World MangQo
2012 will be mouz year
2011-12-15 18:36
1 reply
+1 with so good players they can dominate 2012 .Need only good teamplay and top1 :)
2011-12-15 19:30
Na'vi beat'em both (sk twice, again once) as we last saw it, hhahaha what it means, what it will prove, edward staying up late for training and the whole navi cs division owned to a new dept., what it proves : Na'vi still gets motivation and the upper orga. fully supports them, so on 2012, hhahhahah i have to admit that the iem KieV wc's titles fixed
2011-12-16 02:52
Why do you have to make this thread? You know that people are going to troll here and there's already threads that are almost the same.. Stop causing drama, jeez..
2011-12-15 16:48
12 replies
+1
2011-12-15 17:12
i guess this one is worthy, i liked the rank by prize :)
2011-12-15 17:23
1 reply
exactly
2011-12-15 18:09
nicely said. let this topic to be analyzed by some reasonable guys, like nix0n
2011-12-15 19:07
Nope, sir. He even made many statistics, that's the difference.
2011-12-16 02:45
7 replies
It's still a thread about who the best team is this year, he could have posted the statistics in that post because people are just going to argue about the same thing they did in the first thread.
2011-12-16 08:22
6 replies
Nope, the statistics will be flooded with a wave of comments like yours
2011-12-16 17:01
5 replies
So what? He would still get the response he got here.
2011-12-16 17:03
4 replies
No, I don't think so. The first post always get the most read, is that logic ?
2011-12-17 15:33
3 replies
No but it's not logical to create a thread that already exists.
2011-12-17 18:33
2 replies
it's logic when his thread is better than other threads (supported with statistics).
2011-12-19 07:18
1 reply
Which he could write in that thread that was already made.
2011-12-19 10:23
Probably SK Gaming will be 1st (I think). All the people get the last 2-3 tournaments where AGAiN/FX/ESC Gaming were better than them, but in the whole year SK Gaming were better. I think it should be something like this: 1. SK Gaming 2. ESC Gaming/AGAiN/Frag eXecutors 3. fnatic 4. Na`Vi But they will put Na`Vi 3rd instead of fnatic and fnatic made much better than them... This is my opinion :)
2011-12-15 16:49
33 replies
fanboy opinion
2011-12-15 16:51
9 replies
Lol... I'm not SK fanboy! I'm realist, not like you. I know u think mandic should be top1 :D Even the idea for this is funny. Go and look at the mirror if you wanna see a fanboy :) bye bye hater c(:
2011-12-15 16:58
8 replies
why u start to attack him as a fanboy, while he hasn't done/written anything bad/fanboy-looking? if u look just at the flag, u're a stupid moron.
2011-12-15 18:59
?? who is you to talk about i think ?? just a fanboy, the facts are there, now you can cry and wait for 2012 be a better year to SK. by
2011-12-16 05:25
6 replies
Go to my profile and see what is written on "Favourite team"...
2011-12-16 05:52
5 replies
and ??? swedish fanboy
2011-12-16 08:35
4 replies
Ahahahh... speak whatever you want, I don't care anymore (cuz I understood u r very stupid..) ;]
2011-12-16 18:52
3 replies
only me to discuss with a Hungarian, Bulgarian, or anything like that, dont have brain and courage to discuss, by fanboy
2011-12-17 02:05
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#220
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Argentina ivanpb
I think that you are the one who doesn't have brain, ignorant, his flag is from Bulgaria. Btw, i think SK was the top1 this whole year. ESC was better the last tournaments.
2011-12-17 03:49
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and i not said about bulgaria ? are u blind ? hahaha another fanboy, are u sad because Argentina is worse than Brazil in every respect? uahehuaehu really sad sk better ? more money >> less money, esc >> sk it's so hard to understand ? ty
2011-12-17 06:58
winner of wcg - winner of year, all said this before, esc won - they are leading, the end fanboys..
2011-12-15 16:51
9 replies
Hmm, I see! For you WCG is everything... I judge the performance from ALL THE YEAR, not only from WCG and the last events. Peace on you :p
2011-12-15 17:01
6 replies
creator of the topic made it too, if u read his opinions it looks that SK and ESC are like on the same level this year, maybe with a bit better Poles, but no big difference so i don't understand your point with saying that SK was clear n1 and u said about 2-3 last tournaments where AGAiN was better, but remember, they won xperia, they were 2nd at iem world and 3rd at iem europe, they had fantastic start of the year and ending, while SK had first of all fantastic second half of the year...
2011-12-15 19:03
Just check statistic images, jeez you are thirteen, isn't CS sixteen and above?
2011-12-16 08:29
4 replies
Well, CS is for everyone :)
2011-12-16 18:45
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2011-12-16 19:31
2 replies
lol... you're so stupid.
2011-12-16 20:56
1 reply
I am not the one, did you check the images? for sk: 1. 5 2. 3 3. 0 for esc: 1. 4 2. 3 3. 2 close, but I see more top 3 for ESC in the important tournaments :)
2011-12-16 21:14
Yeah, AGAiN won WCG, but SK won ESWC...
2011-12-15 17:14
1 reply
but FX had better performance during the IEMs and xperia (I know Delpan wasn't there but anyway FX's year a bit better)
2011-12-15 18:56
fanboy opinion +1 fnatic > navi ? o_o
2011-12-15 17:32
11 replies
Only in November they beated them 3 times (with the CS:GO match) !
2011-12-15 17:59
10 replies
and?? this year Na'Vi won over ESC 4 or 5 matches while ESC 3(if I'm not wrong) and what?This results doing Na'Vi the best team in 2011?NO
2011-12-15 18:34
5 replies
NaVi beated FX/AGAiN/ESC 6 times, fx just beated navi 3 times (bo1 and bo3 matches) if esc is the top team, who is NaVi ? :O
2011-12-15 20:04
4 replies
Cheaterzzz...
2011-12-15 20:06
1 reply
I didn't said that ESC is the top team!Na'Vi better than ESC,ESC better than SK and SK better than Na'Vi in face2face matches! but SK and ESC won more events than Na'Vi. :(
2011-12-15 21:53
1 reply
yes, =x
2011-12-15 22:11
dont forget 16-0 on tuscan (adepto bh open :D)
2011-12-15 20:03
3 replies
I can't! But don't forget that they had different lineup :)
2011-12-15 20:05
2 replies
its the point, navi dont need changes to beat any team, the other teams need changes to beat navi ;D
2011-12-15 20:24
1 reply
#188
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Sweden ShageN
Ye, you're probably right... :/
2011-12-16 07:19
#139
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Poland maxiu
fanboy detected ;c
2011-12-15 20:31
FX also won ASUS Summer Cup, there were m5,navi,dts - good teams if you select ICSC 8 for SK that u should also select asus summer for fx sk and esc - 5 win tourneys..prize money for esc - they are a bit better
2011-12-15 16:53
4 replies
+1
2011-12-15 17:04
+1
2011-12-15 19:28
True, but ICSC 9 would take ICSC 8
2011-12-16 02:03
Neo... Oh wait, i mean mmm AGAiN
2011-12-15 16:51
2 replies
lol, whole team played great maybe except Loord..
2011-12-15 17:08
1 reply
Loord had such a poor year, sad he has always been a good player :/
2011-12-16 08:32
ESC AINEC
2011-12-15 16:53
SK ofc.
2011-12-15 16:55
AGAiN SK fnaticMSI NaVi
2011-12-15 16:55
11 replies
+1
2011-12-15 17:00
+2
2011-12-15 17:06
+3
2011-12-15 17:08
+4
2011-12-15 17:54
+5 ;)
2011-12-15 18:19
+6!
2011-12-15 18:34
#94
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Denmark esAq
-1 hehe
2011-12-15 19:00
fu
2011-12-15 19:00
u fuccing farnboe, navi are numver 1 u betch
2011-12-15 19:01
+7
2011-12-16 02:28
#187
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Sweden ShageN
Na`Vi are top1-3 for sure. I'm not their fan, but fnatic are not so close to top3, as you think.
2011-12-16 07:17
ESC
2011-12-15 16:59
2 replies
sk r crybaby get_right .... esc are professioNal...take defeat...but sk losers
2011-12-15 17:07
1 reply
They are not losers, its just unfair to call them that, calm down dude. They are great too.
2011-12-15 18:35
Both team were pretty even this year but after the WCG I think that ESC have a slight edge.
2011-12-15 17:04
4 replies
although sk have better players.....they are not the beast team bestest team is AgAiN (no fan boy opinion)
2011-12-15 17:08
3 replies
the best, there's no word like 'bestest' O_O good -> better -> the best .. bad -> worse -> worst ^^
2011-12-15 17:11
1 reply
I am pretty sure he knows that, and he wrote "bestest" for purpose.
2011-12-15 17:33
Have you even read what I wrote ?
2011-12-15 17:33
ESC/AGAiN = SK Gaming in 2011 imo
2011-12-15 17:10
It has not been any best team 2011. It is to even to tell...
2011-12-15 17:11
SK
2011-12-15 17:11
2 replies
fanboy opinion
2011-12-15 17:12
1 reply
hahaha dude, Im from PL
2011-12-16 13:25
SK were only good during the summer because loord from ESC was inactive due to broken ankle. Plus AGAiN had sponsorship issues. If this would not have happened, then AGAiN could have attended DREAMHACK summer and I'm pretty sure they would have won much more money. SK have the best players, sponsorship but still crybaby get_right cannot win.
2011-12-15 17:11
still again couldnt go to dreamhack and gamegune .. ;p that would be some more cash
2011-12-15 17:15
AGAiN = SK in 2011
2011-12-15 17:17
the best is NEXT
2011-12-15 17:18
1 reply
+ post below
2011-12-15 17:20
SK AGAiN Navi fnatic M5 mousesport mTw Winfakt DTS
2011-12-15 17:20
AGAiN
2011-12-15 17:20
NAVI=SK=FX
2011-12-15 17:23
5 replies
navi is not even close this year to them;d
2011-12-15 17:44
4 replies
oh yeah? and why Na`Vi beat FX 5 ! and FX only 2-3 ANd they beat SK 2 but SK 4 so but Na`Vi > FX!!!!
2011-12-15 18:54
3 replies
cauze he is blind fanboy!
2011-12-15 21:55
2 replies
said navi fanboy, lol im not even a fanboy of them, i was on mTw ;o just check prize money and difference between 1st 2nd and navi/fnatic 3rd 4th lol ;o so good they beat them in early year, and what they won couse of it? hm nothing? like vs sk, what ever if they beat them like twice if they still lose
2011-12-15 22:46
1 reply
navi is not even close this year to them;d ----- this can wrote only retarded fanboy! not even close? u mad? difference in prize money and in first places this year is quite small! check results
2011-12-16 14:59
POLSKA! FIRST!
2011-12-15 17:24
Dont forget those events where sk won but Again didnt attend
2011-12-15 17:27
Again? why? because at all events they won was the SK, and IEM gc, DH winter, GameGune they were not there (not come). I would ask for a table to add a tournament the likes of Asus Summer ICSC was similar prize money and competition.
2011-12-15 17:28
1 reply
ASUS had stronger teams than IEM6 GC
2011-12-15 17:52
SK won vs ESC only at ICSC, some showmatches ESC won vs SK at IEM, Xperia, eStars, WCG
2011-12-15 17:28
ASUS? they both won 5 tournaments
2011-12-15 17:29
was again better in clashes vs sk again, the question is who is more accomplished. I think it Again
2011-12-15 17:31
ESC is the team of 2011, thanks to the WCG win. however, both teams are equally strong, ESC just did better this year
2011-12-15 17:31
AGAiN was better then SK in direct duels all over i would say AGAiN close in front of SK
2011-12-15 17:33
yes AGAIN win . won the biggest tournament year and almost all the fights in the finals against the sk
2011-12-15 17:35
Dunno, don't care... >.< Nice list anyways ;)
2011-12-15 17:36
I can not understand people who discuss the facts. in the first post are two graphics comparing ESC and SK. and if you look at the facts, puts hand to heart and will be honest with yourself, that there is no other possibility than chosing ESC the best team this year. every other opinion is simply wrong because it is inconsistent with the facts
2011-12-15 17:40
well it's very confusing tbh :) for me SK and ESC are both top teams :)
2011-12-15 17:44
2 replies
also navi are top team...
2011-12-15 17:45
1 reply
they are on the same lvl but navi didn't show anything this year despite winning IEM
2011-12-15 17:50
ESC - $5.500 IEM V Europe / 3rd place $17.000 IEM V World / 2nd place $3.000 ICSC 7 / 2nd place €10.000 ~ $12970 Xperia PLAY 2011 / 1st place $2.000 ICSC 8 / 3rd place $3.600 Asus Summer 2011 / 1st place $13.800 e-Stars Seoul 2011 / 1st place $15.000 SEC 2011 / 1st place $3.000 ESWC 2011 / 4th place $1.000 ICSC 9 / 2nd place $500 MSI BEAT IT Russia 2011 / 5th place $25.000 WCG 2011 / 1st place = 102370$ SK - $1.500 IEM V Europe / 7-8th place $4.000 IEM V World / 4th place €4.500 ~ $5836 Xperia PLAY 2011 / 2nd place €6.715 ~ $8709 DreamHack Summer 2011 / 1st place $5.000 ICSC 8 / 1st place €12.000 ~ $15564 GameGune 2011 / 1st place $11.000 e-Stars Seoul 2011 / 2nd place $16.000 IEM 6 Global Challenge / 1st place $12.000 ESWC 2011 / 1st place $6.000 WCG 2011 / 2nd place = 85609$ NaVi - $3.200 IEM V Europe / 4th place $35.000 IEM V World / 1st place $5.000 ICSC 7 / 1st place $5.400 OSPL Spring 2011 / 1st place $4.430 ASUS Spring 2011 / 1st place €1.120 ~ $1452 DreamHack Summer 2011 / 3rd place €6.000 ~ $7782 Adepto BH Open 2011 / 1st place €3.000 ~ $3891 GameGune 2011 / 3rd place $925 Asus Summer 2011 / 3-4th place $9.200 e-Stars Seoul 2011 / 3rd place $10.000 SEC 2011 / 2nd place $6.000 ESWC 2011 / 2nd place $1.000 MSI BEAT IT Russia 2011 / 4th place $4.275 MSI BEAT IT 2011 / 3rd place = 97555$
2011-12-15 17:55
3 replies
source?
2011-12-15 17:48
1 reply
Any esports webpage on cs scene -.-
2011-12-15 20:43
#140
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Poland maxiu
buy you don't and first polish tournament ... East Game United ~3.000$ and else
2011-12-15 20:33
again made much better performance than sk. again top this year.
2011-12-15 17:51
ESC
2011-12-15 17:55
Thanks for the statistics of winners and how much money they won. Very good job! I think that amount of winning prizes are the best way to value the teams - good job G5. However I would pick both teams, AGAiN and SK, on the same level this year. And i would rather pick Na'Vi in front of fnatic. PS. You forgot about ex-ESC in the summary prizes statistics. ;)
2011-12-15 18:06
navi and again have more prize places - 1O SK - 8 conclusion: since we're talking about all year: Na`Vi AGAiN SK or sum of places SK - 11 AGAiN - 20 Na`Vi - 26 environment: SK 1.4 AGAiN 2 Na`Vi 2.6
2011-12-15 18:18
Na`Vi would of been the best if they hadn't miss WCG
2011-12-15 18:11
6 replies
true
2011-12-15 18:16
ESC would been definitely the best if they hadn't miss DH Summer and Gamegune
2011-12-15 19:10
4 replies
Noone cares that imo. Even though ESC won WCG they are still only 5k ahead Na`Vi... and I bet Na`Vi would of taken atleast 1st to 4th place so actually ne. ESC missed Summer and Gamegune for no reason.. but Na`Vi had some problem
2011-12-15 20:19
3 replies
no sponsors and no money to go is no reason?
2011-12-15 20:45
2 replies
They were in FX that time -.-
2011-12-15 21:43
1 reply
and FX was in money trouble stupid fanboy... thats why NEO and co. left FX
2011-12-15 21:53
Im only waiting for modest opinion one guy. HAHAHAHAHAH
2011-12-15 18:14
Really hard to explain... SK and AGAiN are on this same level, but Polish team won WCG 2011... This year: 1. ESC Gaming 2. SK-Gaming 3. Natus Vincere 4. fnatic.MSi 5. mTw
2011-12-15 18:19
SK
2011-12-15 18:22
#80
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Denmark TricoN
ESC.
2011-12-15 18:27
It's a very close call between SK and ESC for 1st/2nd, and between fnatic and Navi for 3rd/4th. Well done for collecting this information. If I have time over the next couple of weeks, I'll put together a model that weights the various events by criteria such as prize money, no. of top teams attending, etc. That's the only way to settle a contest this close, and the results may be surprising.
2011-12-15 18:27
ESC
2011-12-15 18:30
Most likely in my opinion recognize lutchey team SK, why? First won more championships this year and secondly, it's the Swedes Gl Sk, ESC / AGAIN / FX / MYM / AGAIN
2011-12-15 18:31
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Ukraine gungrave
neither one nor the other!!
2011-12-15 18:32
bik fan of markalorp so me best tiem is navi ?
2011-12-15 18:52
ai rove ceh9 he wery fonny and pro and luk laik biver hehe so bst tim for me navi
2011-12-15 18:55
#98
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Argentina mtt^G
SK AGAiN Na`Vi
2011-12-15 19:06
MOUZ
2011-12-15 19:10
best tem SK ofc !!!
2011-12-15 19:16
#103
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Russia goodjob
its all about fans...
2011-12-15 19:18
If we will listen to profesional player (Robban) we can say that ESC.pl is the best in 2011.
2011-12-15 19:33
SK=ESC
2011-12-15 19:36
This clearly shows no one dominated 2011, because there is a split of Opinions between SK and Again. In 2010, no one disagreed that Na'Vi dominated like hell. There is no Dominant Team for 2011, and my personal opinion its a complete divide between Na'Vi, SK, and ESC-Gaming(PL). There was months which team was good and when.. and the deciding factor in my opinion was Na'Vi absence from WCG.. if they won that, then it would of been more clear. Na'Vi had IEM, 2nd ESWC.. and no attendance of WCG.. shame
2011-12-15 19:38
for me? both.
2011-12-15 19:39
1.NAVI/ESC/SK AND SHUT UP RETARDS. ALL OF THIS TEAMS WON 1 of 3 MAJOR EVENTS!!! NAVI - IEM WORLD ESC - WORLD CYBER GAMES SK - ELECTRONIC WORLD SPORTS CUP SO SHUP UP F*CK UP! STUPID FANBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2011-12-15 19:42
8 replies
#144
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Sweden ShageN
+1
2011-12-15 20:46
#155
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Russia goodjob
+100
2011-12-15 22:16
Oh please, you can't put it like that. In my book it depends on the teams attending, not which tournament they won. I am not taking sides, but don't put WCG in with ESWC and IEM World, there was a clear difference between those events, in terms of strength. We need the rankings that HLTV made back, but they have stopped for some reason..
2011-12-16 02:06
5 replies
while WCG may have had lesser attendance the final was between 2 best teams of the year and who we're playing for the WCG title and for the team of the year. Not sure how that matchup could be topped and definetly should not be ignored. That event will be remembered long because of final alone and dont think theres any prestige lost there.
2011-12-16 05:59
4 replies
I agree that it shouldn't be ignored, my point was simply that there have been other events, where the competition has been far greater. In my opinion, WCG has lost its prestige, because of the retarded way WCG has chosen to set up their CS tournament, leaving too many good teams out. People may interpret that final to be the decider of the year, I have no problem with that, I just won't put that event in league with IEM World and ESWC anymore.
2011-12-16 12:45
3 replies
i think IEM is going for same direction. One event left and esc/navi nowhere to be seen :(, eswc was pretty close beeing fiasco aswell but thank god it worked out
2011-12-16 13:19
2 replies
Not quite sure what you mean; all the top teams are in the qualifier for IEM GC Kiev, so we will have one hell of an event there :)
2011-12-16 13:40
1 reply
ESC didnt qualify so they're not even in the finals either :) I guess they should blame themselves but still.. feel like system blows a bit :P should have some kind of European LAN tournament which could serve as a qualification to World Finals or just some invites.. missing ESC at IEM Finals is shit but probably will be decent event anyway.. but meh.
2011-12-18 20:03
HEY! Lions 8500 dollar so should be over DTS they placed 2nd at DHW and won 500 dollar in some other small tournament so 8500 dollar change it;) GOGOGO LIONS!
2011-12-15 19:42
no dominant team this year: 1.navi or sk or esc
2011-12-15 19:43
#113
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Bosnia and Herzegovina lousooo
this year: ESC,NAVI,sk
2011-12-15 19:43
1.NAVI/ESC 2.ESC/NAVI 3.Sk
2011-12-15 19:44
1.Navi/Sk/ESC
2011-12-15 19:45
SK ;S
2011-12-15 19:46
1) Natus`Vincere / ESC-Gaming 2) Natus`Vincere / ESC-Gaming 3) SK-Gaming
2011-12-15 19:46
1.navi/esc 3.sk
2011-12-15 19:47
#120
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Sweden ShageN
NO DOMINANT TEAM IN 2011... TOP1 TEAMS: NAVI, ESC, SK
2011-12-15 19:48
1. NaVi / ESC
2011-12-15 19:49
#1 ukrainians or poles... i mean NAVI-gaming or ESC-gaming
2011-12-15 19:49
NAVI - top1 IEM World + top2 ESWC 1. NA`VI ofc.
2011-12-15 19:50
1.markeloff and CO. 2.neo and CO. 3.RobbaN and CO.
2011-12-15 19:51
ESC (ex-AGAiN) three times won in the finale of SK XPERIA, e-Stars, WCG. Three editions ICSC ESC(ex-AGAiN) top3.. SK won 5 times, ESC 4 times, but ESC on the podium 9 times, SK 8 Awards money for ESC. 1.ESC 2.SK 3.Na`Vi
2011-12-15 19:54
6 replies
but SK had a different line-up in the first 6 months...SK beat AGAiN more than AGAiN beat SK...but on the other hand, Na'Vi and SK have the equal amount of wins against each other. on the other hand Na'Vi won 35k with IEM which is kinda bullshit since ESC and SK had to win 2 tours to get that kind of money. Not a fanboy, looking at things from the neutral side I'd say 1/2. SK/ESC or ESC/SK (as you please) 3. Na'Vi
2011-12-15 20:54
5 replies
I understand you, but I think (maybe patritically point view) AGAiN top1 slightly SK. I respect SK, but really AGAiN should be first place in 2011 :)
2011-12-15 22:34
1 reply
Swedish would say SK, Polish would say AGAiN, that's expected and non-arguable :)
2011-12-16 03:24
SK beat again more than AGAiN SK maybe in showmatches
2011-12-15 23:07
2 replies
hatersgonnahate...from what i've seen on this forum you're the biggest SK hater
2011-12-16 03:23
1 reply
I'm not SK's hater. IEM5 - BO3 AGAiN won XPERIA - BO3 AGAiN won ICSC - BO3 SK won e-Stars - 'BO3' AGAiN won WCG - BO3 AGAiN won AGAiN 4-2 SK
2011-12-16 07:42
#143
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Sweden ShageN
1.esc/navi/sk all on 1st. without domination of any team.
2011-12-15 20:46
It's a tricky situation, since SK didn't win anything till the beginning of June. I'd say that the title should be "'shared" by SK and ESC/AGAiN oh and the prize money are not a real reflection of the things happening, since Na'Vi won 35k at IEM, money for which SK and AGAiN had to win 2 tours + sth
2011-12-15 20:50
1 - ESC/FX/AGAiN 2 - SK 3 - FNATIC/MOUZ 4 - M5
2011-12-15 21:46
Natus Vincere !!
2011-12-15 21:47
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not 2011, maybe 2010
2011-12-15 23:06
good year good rating
2011-12-15 22:50
Good job milandini, by making those statistics. As SK fan myself, i admit that ESC was better this year than SK, but not too much
2011-12-15 22:56
Fuck SK, ESC and Na´Vi the real winner is Anexis !
2011-12-15 23:51
40% SK-gaming 40% AGAIN/ESC 10% fnatic 10% NA VI
2011-12-15 23:54
1 reply
#186
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Sweden ShageN
hahaha wtf? Na`Vi are top1 IEM, top2 ESWC!
2011-12-16 07:15
NaVi=SK=Again
2011-12-16 00:20
AGAiN !
2011-12-16 01:01
esc
2011-12-16 01:57
robban said... team which will win wcg will be best in this year so... ESC best team in this year :)
2011-12-16 02:48
A summary of all the events (big and small ones) this year can be found here img10.imageshack.us/img10/8880/screensho.. with total money won img11.imageshack.us/img11/8158/screensho.. AGAiN still came out on top guys :)
2011-12-16 02:52
There's no team of 2011, as two teams have 5 titles each and two others have three titles each. No dominance shown by any team, thus no dominant team.
2011-12-16 03:25
1 reply
No dominant, but still there's a best team which is slightly better than the rest, and that team, imo, is ESC (AGAiN)
2011-12-16 17:06
Again is at top AGAIN !
2011-12-16 04:10
SK &#8805; ESC
2011-12-16 05:29
<3 SK SK SK SK SK SK 4ever :) Sk > AGAiN
2011-12-16 05:52
2 replies
<3 fanboy fanboy fanboy fanboy 4ever :) fanboys > World
2011-12-16 13:07
1 reply
hehhe :)
2011-12-19 05:23
people forget at times that when they have events like IEM guangzhou and IEM new york in their list of events then they need to consider the ASUS summer that AGAiN won which had teams like DTS, Lions, Na'Vi also attending. Team of the year is definitely AGAiN as they won almost all the tournaments which they attended and were very competitive
2011-12-16 06:58
SK!!!
2011-12-16 08:48
Poles imo
2011-12-16 08:48
ESC, imo
2011-12-16 17:04
#207
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Brazil hugoooo
FX/AGAiN > SK > fnatic > Na'Vi
2011-12-16 17:07
SK obviously.
2011-12-16 17:09
1.ESC <333 2.SK <3 3.fnatic.MSI 4.mousesports 5.DTS 6.Lions 7.Na'Vi
2011-12-16 17:15
1. ESC 2. SK 3. fnatic 4. Na`Vi
2011-12-16 18:58
AGAIN/ESC win all of the finals vs SK... That way, I think AGAIN is top1 this year... Robban before play the final of WCG said that: "In that final, who win will be the top1 this year" or something like that, so...
2011-12-16 20:59
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It was nix0n who came with that statement more than a question b4 the final, and robban said like "ok.. we can say that"
2011-12-19 10:41
SK on top without a doubt
2011-12-17 03:38
1 reply
I think it deserves the top spot SK
2011-12-17 06:10
#224
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Sweden cnzTT
sk :)
2011-12-17 07:13
again
2011-12-17 07:55
SK
2011-12-17 15:54
SK
2011-12-17 15:55
ESC(ex-Fx) 6-3 SK (in 2011) So ESC(ex-Fx) won 6 matches out of 9 vs SK If we make a rank (4p for 1st, 3p for 2nd, 2p for 3rd and 1p for 4th) we have ESC(ex-Fx) 30p-30p SK So ESC(ex-Fx) are the best team of 2011
2011-12-17 16:15
For me SK GAMING. Just because they win less money than ESC, they were the best team in 2011.
2011-12-18 20:10
to be honest I think the best team is SK even though ESC won WCG...
2011-12-18 20:33
esc 4sure
2011-12-18 21:16
Na'Vi !
2011-12-18 21:36
Again
2011-12-18 21:51
Moscow5 imo -)
2011-12-18 21:54
I like SK more, but at the moment ESC is better team, but maybe 2012 will be better year for SK :D
2011-12-18 22:04
how can you say that SK is 2011 top if they cant beat AGAiN in a final? and some of these events that SK won i dont think that again was even there lol SK is not a bad team and they were just a little bit worse than AGAiN this year but still again top1 2011,no team dominated this year but again was a litle bit better than the rest
2011-12-18 22:14
#246
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Brazil lullaby1
SK
2011-12-19 05:35
1.SK 2.ESC 3.fntaic 4.NaVi 5.M5
2011-12-19 08:32
SK ofcourse
2011-12-19 10:12
I was counting points like someone above , but i take into consideration tournaments where ESC , SK and Na`Vi participate . So i was counting - IEM EC , IEM WC , e-Stars , ESWC ,SEC , DH Winter and NaVi is the best overall . If we count wins we can see that SK have the most won tournaments in 2011 , if we count money earned and number of podiums then we see ESC is the best . So i think top 3 world is : 1.SK , NA`VI , ESC 2.SK , NA`VI ,ESC 3.SK , NA`VI , ESC I think these 3 teams are in the same level and we cannot decide which is better , SK won many tournaments like ESC but Na`Vi was the most "SYSTEMATIC" in 2011 , missing only 1 time a top3 (may i wrong). 4.fnatic (because they won IEM EC and DH Winter)
2011-12-19 10:32
neither of them, its WinFakt you can check it from official ESL CS ranking site: esl-world.net/masters/season6_ranking/ :D
2011-12-19 11:20
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