Jesus you come across as extremely stupid... You can compare both teams in how they approach the game, both teams came from shitty scenes and put in an enormous amount of effort to improve sure one is significantly better than the other, although when they met renegades beat them. They both have that hunger to win and improve that the majority of NA teams do not so how about you use a bit of initiative yourself and read properly so that you understand what I'm saying, denial might have won premier but they couldn't even overcome WFX who are one of the worst teams in the pro division, shit happens... There are plenty of disappointments that come in life and you just need to pick yourself up and work through it. Ok then come back to me at the end of next season and if they're top 6 NA how stupid will you look? If they're not top 6 I'll admit I was wrong and be the bigger man but at the moment you're talking absolute drivel. Anyway I'm done replying, have a nice day.