Maps
Best of 1
* Swiss round 4 (teams with a 1-2 record). Loser will be eliminated
1. GODSENT removed Inferno
2. Immortals removed Mirage
3. GODSENT removed Overpass
4. Immortals removed Cache
5. GODSENT removed Train
6. Immortals removed Nuke
7. Cobblestone was left over
Cobblestone
Rewatch
PGL (Pre-Match Analysis)Vod
PGLVod
PGL (Post-Match Analysis)Vod
PGL (Post-Match Interview with steel)Vod
SLTVVod
PGL (Pre-Match Analysis)VodPGLVodPGL (Post-Match Analysis)VodPGL (Post-Match Interview with steel)VodSLTVVodHighlights
znajder quick double to break the defense
twist triple entry frag
disco doplan 3k on the offense
Lekr0 1v3 clutch
Steel triple kill hold
znajder quad kill on the offense
znajder triple kill on the offense
twist 1v3 clutch
hen1 anti-eco 4k
hen1 snipes down three on the defense
hen1 3k to close out the map
Match stats
Side
Both
TerroristT
Counter-TerroristCT
| K-D | +/- | ADR | KAST | Rating | |
| 29-20 | +9 | 101.4 | 83.3% | 1.59 | |
| 18-21 | -3 | 83.6 | 63.3% | 1.08 | |
| 23-23 | 0 | 74.6 | 73.3% | 1.00 | |
| 18-20 | -2 | 70.4 | 70.0% | 0.96 | |
| 11-25 | -14 | 54.2 | 46.7% | 0.55 |
| K-D | +/- | ADR | KAST | Rating | |
| 30-15 | +15 | 96.2 | 80.0% | 1.63 | |
| 21-24 | -3 | 98.0 | 83.3% | 1.22 | |
| 21-20 | +1 | 70.7 | 63.3% | 1.05 | |
| 18-19 | -1 | 61.9 | 66.7% | 0.95 | |
| 19-22 | -3 | 79.1 | 60.0% | 0.94 |
| K-D | +/- | ADR | KAST | Rating | |
| 29-20 | +9 | 101.4 | 83.3% | 1.59 | |
| 18-21 | -3 | 83.6 | 63.3% | 1.08 | |
| 23-23 | 0 | 74.6 | 73.3% | 1.00 | |
| 18-20 | -2 | 70.4 | 70.0% | 0.96 | |
| 11-25 | -14 | 54.2 | 46.7% | 0.55 |
| K-D | +/- | ADR | KAST | Rating | |
| 30-15 | +15 | 96.2 | 80.0% | 1.63 | |
| 21-24 | -3 | 98.0 | 83.3% | 1.22 | |
| 21-20 | +1 | 70.7 | 63.3% | 1.05 | |
| 18-19 | -1 | 61.9 | 66.7% | 0.95 | |
| 19-22 | -3 | 79.1 | 60.0% | 0.94 |
Lineups
Past matches
Core
Team
| 20/6 16 |  |
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DreamHack ZOWIE Open Summer 2016 |
trn
Train
|
8 - 16 | ||
| 20/6 16 | |
|
DreamHack ZOWIE Open Summer 2016 |
mrg
Mirage
|
16 - 12 | ||
| 20/6 16 | |
|
DreamHack ZOWIE Open Summer 2016 |
cch
Cache
|
11 - 16 |
#1
redtheone
kinkybdsm |
redtheonedignitas vs Immortals
5 replies
#5
diogofreitas_14
diogofreitas_14Teams that have already played each other can not play again.
Only from 2-2. So dig vs immortalls or dig vs godsent is not possible
2 replies
#8
redtheone
kinkybdsm |
redtheone23-06-2017 maybe checking the dates before, fellow countrymen? :D
1 reply
#167
diogofreitas_14
diogofreitas_14ofc yes! :D
#104
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diogacs
| diogacsname checks out
#425
|
MakeSwedenGreatAgain
| MakeSwedenGreatAgainRip sweden
#4
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Crush<3
| Crush<3EZ FOR DIGNITAS!
#6
diogofreitas_14
diogofreitas_14DIGNITAS 3-2 ezz
#7
KUACI
KUACIDignitas vs tyloo
#9
Beicom
fnx |
Beicomez 4 IMT
5 replies
#195
NotHotMan
mir |
NotHotManNT CHOKEMORTALS XD
4 replies
#402
|
Daybson
| DaybsonHaha
3 replies
#407
NotHotMan
mir |
NotHotManI Try xD
2 replies
#498
Beicom
fnx |
BeicomIT'S ONLY OVER WHEN IT ENDS
bitch
1 reply
#499
NotHotMan
mir |
NotHotManUR MOTHER IS MY BITCH <3
#10
|
dabneytv
| dabneytvez 4 imt
#11
|
monte:)
| monte:)bb godsent:)
#12
|
mibrzera
| mibrzerarip immortals
#13
|
VladimirLucas
| VladimirLucasgg
#14
pescadoinvisible
pescadoinvisibleH O M E S E N T
GO IMT!
#15
BYALl
byali |
BYALlimmortals never major
godsent will win
3 replies
#19
BAITZERA_ALWAYS_Baiting
BAITZERA_ALWAYS_Baitingthis no make sence if Immortals wins the match they need win another for major, then
IMT > HOMESENT
#25
TheAwakening
TheAwakeningIMT will win this and lose their next match.
1 reply
#29
BAITZERA_ALWAYS_Baiting
BAITZERA_ALWAYS_Baitingyou take this point :D
#16
|
hugoooo
| hugooooImmortals always sucking on major qualifiers.
They can reach fucking Katowice semis but they can't win 3 maps on a t2 tournament.
1 reply
#30
BAITZERA_ALWAYS_Baiting
BAITZERA_ALWAYS_Baitingnah they a little bit unlucky
start agains best team in qualifier, G2, and BIG is a good team
They would not have lost against Kazakhstan team or VEGA
Even Penta they would beat easy
#17
Black137
Black137bb homesent. we never see your again on majors :)
#18
BAITZERA_ALWAYS_Baiting
BAITZERA_ALWAYS_BaitingSWE CS 2017 LUL
1 reply
#28
ripaccount
ripaccountLithuania CS LUL
#20
boltzzon
Cleaner |
boltzzonno way HOMESENT survive this
#27
beaviz1
beaviz1Godsent 4vs5 immortals
Pronax is away.....
#32
|
CharlesEmilNilsson
| CharlesEmilNilssonI think cache and if thats le case iz prolly advantage godsent, and on Another map pretty much 50/50, betting on godsent cuz ez underdog and LUL IMMORTALS DURING MAJOR QUALIFIERS (BYEBYE) and swedes at Majors (PogChamp)
#34
astrovisionary
astrovisionaryGODSENT removed Inferno
Immortals removed Nuke
GODSENT removed Cobblestone
Immortals removed Cache
GODSENT removed Train
Immortals removed Overpass
Mirage was left over. 16-11 Immortals if they don't suck like against BIG.
1 reply
#35
buyBITCOIN
bit |
buyBITCOINthis guy knows his shit
#36
johnmalkovich123
johnmalkovich123Both teams look shit rn. rooting for Godsent though
#38
|
ciddamasceno
| ciddamascenoLet's fckn go, IMT!
#39
AbteilungsleiterDerLiebe2
boltz |
AbteilungsleiterDerLiebe2go boltz u got this
homesend
#41
|
VictorGM_
| VictorGM_ez 4 imt
#42
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subzera
| subzeracmon godsent, get these fuckers outta here and back to their dirt shacks
3 replies
#43
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Hempxz
| Hempxzhaha clg fan really?
HAHAHAHA
IMMT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>clg
2 replies
#56
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subzera
| subzeramaybe thats the reason for my prejudice???
1 reply
#63
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Hempxz
| Hempxzi understand you clg never won immt so sad bro
#44
raphaelBR
raphaelBRPls, no cache anymore after that bug. I want to see a fair game. Hope to see a great match.
#46
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Globebuster
| Globebusterhomesent
#47
|
Nobuga
| Nobugarip IMT
#51
BRFlagIn2016LUL
BRFlagIn2016LULive never wanted godsent to win a match more than now, pls pronax dont frag like a literal dmg
2 replies
#52
KAKKIKU
allu |
KAKKIKUWhy? I thought brazilian always support sk and imt
#58
IarentThinkThatz
fer |
IarentThinkThatzthank for showing so much love and support for br!
We Apreciate Thatz!
love br so much that put br flag and cheering for imm, thank mr fakeflag!! <3
we loyal
we friendly
we numba wun
#RUNSKG #IMMLOYAL #lucas1theamericanHiko
#53
klumzcs
klumzcsHey admins, can we please have the stat page of Complexity vs Upset up please? Every match as soon as it was over has the stat page and what not. But not this match, kinda tilting.
1 reply
#54
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phyzell
| phyzellHey ho, Let's go, 16 - O !!!
#55
terminat0r
KRIMZ |
terminat0rgoodbye treeswingers
nvm, pronax is playing in godsent
#57
|
Djentleman
| DjentlemanToday, bye immortals... sadly day again!
#59
|
johnfire_CA
| johnfire_CAI actually like Godsent
Homesent* oops
#60
G0A1L
!!!dont RENAME ME |
G0A1LPlease,Immortals
1-2>3:2
1 reply
#64
|
Hempxz
| Hempxz+1 go immt dont shock again plzz
#62
|
Malak01
| Malak01#MINIMO4K #ACERTEIOPÉ #TAMIADOCOM100
#65
PotatoesBRain
Primnix |
PotatoesBRainpls twist and lekr0... i want to see u on major
#66
itsKLEZ
smooya |
itsKLEZEz4God
#67
QDouble
k0nfig |
QDoubleHomesent
#68
Blackrico
f0rest |
Blackricolol those odds on a bo1
#69
goodprada
goodpradagodsent stickers > imt stickers
GO GODSENT
#70
|
Fury2h
| Fury2h-Who we are?
-We are GODSENT
-What we want to do?
-Win the major
-When we want it?
-Now
JW: W8 w8 w8 w8 i didnt sent nobody
4 replies
#71
thanksmen
autist |
thanksmenkys this made me cringe under my fucking desk
1 reply
#72
|
Fury2h
| Fury2hMake excuses, and prbly i will not kill your family
#79
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VeryReportedGuy
| VeryReportedGuyhaHAA XdddxDDXd
#86
|
dascouves
| dascouvesDamn thats the cringiest shit ever kys
#73
Black137
Black137If cache - i guess godsent win
#74
|
3rdWorldMidget
| 3rdWorldMidgetGODSENT stickers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immortals stickers
EZ GODSENT
#76
|
AyvaN
| AyvaNGODSENT TIME TO KNOCK FAVELAS!
#77
|
StickyRice
| StickyRiceEZ Immortals.
BOTSENT is about to get HOMESENT.
#78
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_major
JazzPimp |
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_majorCan both these teams be eliminated at the same time?
1 reply
#80
|
VeryReportedGuy
| VeryReportedGuy+1 this lol
#81
|
bombmeister
| bombmeisterpls do this one godsent, really dont want to see immortals at major
1 reply
#94
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nAmeless69
| nAmeless69+1, don't like them. SK >>> IMM
#82
CA1MAN
TheEntireNationOfKenya |
CA1MANez for imt lmao
#83
Black137
Black137bb pronax and noobs :)
1 reply
#89
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teremartin
| teremartinez 4 godsent
thank me later
#84
ezywoo
ZywOo |
ezywooBoltz please shit on znjader cheater
#85
|
M4LOY
| M4LOYez for Imm
#88
|
deez1337
| deez1337Cobblestone easy for imt 16-8
#90
banks1_Votes_AfD
HenryG |
banks1_Votes_AfDwould be so nice if botsent actually win this
#91
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weipengfei
| weipengfeiimm will win
1 reply
#110
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Hempxz
| Hempxzi'am so sad for tyloo best team in asia all in garanted
GO IMMT
#92
cabzeN
cabzeNahhaha cobble wtf homesent
#93
inofficialkebab
rain |
inofficialkebabMap is cbble gl&hf
#95
PWorst
PWorstCbble? They're gonna be homesent for sure rofl
#96
|
autumnleaves_
| autumnleaves_Plz go home immotrash
#97
_187_
f0rest |
_187_what did pronax veto that they end on cbble?
#98
l1festyle
tarik |
l1festylelel, why cbble Godsent ?
but i think they will win
glhf
#99
|
gERyzmad
| gERyzmadcbble
#100
nikitich228
nikitich228To ez for shaggy(no)
#101
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powergs
| powergsdamn i was going with godsent but cobble :/ how the fuck they veto cobble
#102
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LawOrder
| LawOrderDoest matter which map. Immortals are superior
2 replies
#105
Greavick
GreavickYe but chosing cobble is like shooting yourself in the leg. Why the fuck would you do that before fight even starts...
1 reply
#111
_187_
f0rest |
_187_true, god should have veto cbble, inf and op. imt would veto train i guess and they wouldnt want to play nuke here, so cache or mirage left.
#103
|
KKegham
| KKeghamgodsent cobble? wtf
#106
Snoopyman
rain |
Snoopymankingv so strong
#108
|
PeNGuinonIce
| PeNGuinonIcethis is gonna be a stomp for godsent , immortal 16-3 godsent
#109
agzbagz1337
f0rest |
agzbagz1337ez for GODlekro and GODpronax
#112
averagehltvlunatic_kek
gla1ve |
averagehltvlunatic_kekGODSENT on cobblestone? Instant gg, all-in on Immortals
#113
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jkaemmeister
| jkaemmeisterto even think shitsent even have a chance... you'd have to be braindead
#114
|
KarlBruloff
| KarlBruloffImmortals is the winners of this game. For first, they are perfect aimers. Second, they are the closest friends of SK.
#115
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MatthEWw_w
| MatthEWw_wGodsent... gl :)
#116
|
rockNoob
| rockNoobznajder and lekr0 topfrag hardcarry
#117
PWorst
PWorstpretty much a safe bet, I'd place every skin you have on Immortals
11 replies
#118
cngcsgo
TheEntireNationOfKenya |
cngcsgoprntscr.com/fqo33c did i do it right?
10 replies
#119
|
WladimirWladimirowitschPutin
| WladimirWladimirowitschPutinno your dick shouldve ended up in your toaster
#120
PWorst
PWorstwe all sometimes hope for a miracle and bet on underdogs that SHOULD have no chance
but homesent really has no chance here sadly
8 replies
#122
cngcsgo
TheEntireNationOfKenya |
cngcsgo4 Odds for a BO1 on lan though when twist lekro and doplan can take over the game quite easily? gotta take the risk
#127
|
dascouves
| dascouvesLMAO i have a bet on immortalls, but godsent has a chance for sure.
BO1
LEKRO
IMMORTALS ON MAJOR QUALIFIER
So many factors that can play into this.
3 replies
#128
cngcsgo
TheEntireNationOfKenya |
cngcsgoexactly, immortals is heavily favored but there is still a huge chance for an upset in a bo1 with lekro twist and doplan
2 replies
#140
|
powergs
| powergsu def bet right team mate and not only saying cauz of 5-0.With 1.3 betting on Imt vs Godsent team has twist lekro disco doplan znajder all great aimers and mastermind 3 major winner pronax just retarded either skip or betting godsent is/was right choice
1 reply
#159
cngcsgo
TheEntireNationOfKenya |
cngcsgoyeah true man :)
#183
cngcsgo
TheEntireNationOfKenya |
cngcsgothe game is still not over, but you can see that they have a chance
2 replies
#380
PWorst
PWorstthe game is over and you can see that they had no chance :)
1 reply
#395
cngcsgo
TheEntireNationOfKenya |
cngcsgolol
#121
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexdahaha imm lose to this on very bad map xd
lmao
#123
raivokkuus
BARDOLPH |
raivokkuusDoubt Godsent have a chance here really, but I'd love them to eliminate IMT
#124
|
2EZ4Astralis
| 2EZ4Astralismax & relax on godsent
#125
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexdsketchtoy.com/68191848
#126
|
trNN$
| trNN$fanobet.com/slip/JPMPd3wk9wJowYV1 pls IMT DONT CHOKE
1 reply
#132
ba9ma9
ba9ma9wow pick f3 vs Stewi2BEST?
#129
thetrollisreal
olofmeister |
thetrollisrealwhats going on with IMT?
6 replies
#142
c4R
c4RPussies...
5 replies
#150
thetrollisreal
olofmeister |
thetrollisrealdude
It seems that players do not want to play the game
WTF IS GOIN ON
4 replies
#162
c4R
c4Ry... They were scared from the moment decision.
Just look faces on camera...
3 replies
#344
thetrollisreal
olofmeister |
thetrollisrealoops
mb
2 replies
#361
c4R
c4RTNX GOD... HEN1:) SAVE US!
1 reply
#383
c4R
c4RStupid decisions some force rounds...
#130
|
shubaNNN
| shubaNNNGG IMT is trash
#131
Sizexd
shroud |
SizexdAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA WTF EZ
1 reply
#349
thetrollisreal
olofmeister |
thetrollisrealthe cry is free
#133
Stefez
Farlig |
StefezJust kick this twin noobs both are shit
#134
|
shubaNNN
| shubaNNNwasted spot for IMT
-IMT +Space Soldiers
2 replies
#141
TheDarkusPL
TheDarkusPLXDDD, in 3 days they gonna get rekt... SS will win 13 rounds in Cologne thats all
#443
thetrollisreal
olofmeister |
thetrollisrealstfu no scener
#135
thanksmen
autist |
thanksmenHow to lose a 3v1 - 101 Tutorial by IMT LUL
#137
cloudneinneinnein
cloudneinneinneinEZ FOR OLOF'S SON, LEKR0
#138
Tasalta
TasaltaHaha! Where are you now immortal fangays?!?
1 reply
#508
|
luizzvilhena
| luizzvilhenaLul uk cs hahah
#143
PWorst
PWorsthomesent losing rounds with advantages like no tomorrow
#144
Black137
Black1376-0 lose 5 vs 4 = choke 7-8
#146
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexd:(
#147
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexdsketchtoy.com/68191866
#148
|
StickyRice
| StickyRiceLUCAS1 no brain player
1 reply
#157
|
shubaNNN
| shubaNNNall of them have no brain tbh
#149
Sizexd
shroud |
SizexdLOL Lekr0 planted the bomb (2on1)
pronax killed boltz with p250
boltz killed ZNAjDERxD with m4a1_silencer
ZNAjDERxD killed steelega with awp
ZNAjDERxD killed kNgV- with awp
ZNAjDERxD killed HEN1:) with awp
HEN1:) killed disco doplan ??? with awp
lucas1- killed twist >D with m4a1_silencer (headshot)Lekr0 planted the bomb (2on1)
pronax killed boltz with p250
boltz killed ZNAjDERxD with m4a1_silencer
ZNAjDERxD killed steelega with awp
ZNAjDERxD killed kNgV- with awp
ZNAjDERxD killed HEN1:) with awp
HEN1:) killed disco doplan ??? with awp
lucas1- killed twist >D with m4a1_silencer (headshot)
GG
#152
|
shubaNNN
| shubaNNNIMT LUL
#154
Black137
Black137hahhhah
#155
Stefez
Farlig |
StefezOmg imm
#156
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_major
JazzPimp |
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_majorImmortals and Trashcan.
Name a more iconic duo.
1 reply
#165
|
ripnickname
| ripnicknameBrazil and Major Qualifier.
#160
DespeCito
DESPE |
DespeCitoglawks
#161
ReservoirDogs
Twistzz |
ReservoirDogsTÃO TROLLANDO MESMO SA PORRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
#163
slacking
KRIMZ |
slackingumad br idiots lul
#164
|
LoWone
| LoWoneBoltz is braindead.
#166
|
rockNoob
| rockNooblike I said znajder hard carry
#169
SaveSweden
SaveSwedenFnatic Znajder is back bois
5 replies
#447
thetrollisreal
olofmeister |
thetrollisrealcry in the vara
4 replies
#475
SaveSweden
SaveSwedenImmortals is hopefully going to lose the next game though, they've been playing so shit this qualifier, like in every major qualifier.
3 replies
#503
thetrollisreal
olofmeister |
thetrollisrealkeep crying
2 replies
#504
SaveSweden
SaveSwedenI'm not crying, I just want the best performing teams to go through.
Immortals did deserve it in the end by beating HR, but overall a performance below their standards, don't you agree? The thing is, they shouldn't have won this one, hence why I didn't want them to go through, but they proved me wrong by beating HR even when they were not playing at their best.
Can you brazilians stop being so annoying and cocky? Honestly, don't go so ham everytime. You're so annoying when you can only be happy when your teams is doing well, and show no respect what so ever when you're proven wrong or another team performs well.
90% of all brazilians on hltv are like this, the 10% are fine and acts normally, but most of you are just like you, writing pointless comments and such.
Kids shouldn't be on hltv, that's also something that should be a rule.
1 reply
#505
thetrollisreal
olofmeister |
thetrollisrealtl;dr
#170
|
t1mb3r7and
| t1mb3r7andlul
#171
isikus
isikusOMG IS THIS REALLY HAPPENING
#174
|
Paracios
| ParaciosMajorsent
#175
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexdlol rip major
ahhahahaahah
#176
morpheus0
f0rest |
morpheus0thanks imt for -200$, thank you very much
6 replies
#184
_187_
f0rest |
_187_they got rekt by big and everyone knows they suck on major qualis and you still bet on them here with those odds?
2 replies
#194
|
ImPedo669
| ImPedo669+1 i was such a pussy just went for godsent to get atleast 12 rounds.would been ez win on godsent
1 reply
#199
_187_
f0rest |
_187_i was such a pussy that i even skip lol, but betting on imt here is just dumb, no matter how the game ends
#187
|
ImPedo669
| ImPedo669why would you even bet on them after the show against big? ez win on godsent to score atleast 12 rounds
#357
Tiopico
Tiopicocongratulations on your money
1 reply
#458
morpheus0
f0rest |
morpheus0ty
#177
|
MatthEWw_w
| MatthEWw_wnice odds for Godsent
thx
#178
chikinnn
chikinnngg ez godsent
#179
Holla]die[Waldfee
Dosia |
Holla]die[Waldfeegodsent use better aim and brain vs immortals. thats unfair and cheating!
#180
|
m1Tk8
| m1Tk8I really dont know what is happening with the cs:go scene. The people saying that cs:go is dead are absolute right. Tier1 teams getting eliminated from tier 3 omg....
5 replies
#204
|
mds818
| mds818imt tier 1?
4 replies
#211
|
m1Tk8
| m1Tk8I dont know :D but Twist and Lekro are absolute beasts. Damn...
3 replies
#216
|
mds818
| mds818godsent is somewhat between t2 and t3,however imt is t2,but as i said shitload of times already...imt wont make it to the major and perfect example why is the last major qualifier.
2 replies
#254
|
m1Tk8
| m1Tk8Bro if you asked professional bet predictor he will say no way IMT will loose this. This is elimination match. But see what is happening. I dont know why i still watch pro games.
1 reply
#263
|
mds818
| mds818yes if you asked professional analyst or whoever,however the thing is that IMT are performing good online and in bo1s,however they always suck in major qualifiers,yes back when they were tempo storm and games academy etc.(idk exactly under which all orgs they went to qualifiers) it was like yes,they're not expirienced etc etc. but,for eleague they had expirience,they had the firepower..they were up 2-0,they lost it with 2-3
#181
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexd11-2 already xd
wtf ajjajaa
#182
Gazil
acoR |
GazilCmon immortals, me wants stickers
#185
tryptamine
tryptaminelmao getting rekt by znajder, brazil noobs xD
#186
|
tsfs
| tsfslucasucks
#188
|
ripnickname
| ripnicknameBye.
#190
banks1_Votes_AfD
HenryG |
banks1_Votes_AfDTHANK GOD HAHAHAHAH
please dont choke
#191
iceicemaybe
nylon |
iceicemaybeKD 5 WOW
#192
TheAwakening
TheAwakeningTOGGLESENT
#196
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Sylleo
| Sylleorofl IMT never change please :D
#197
|
PeNGuinonIce
| PeNGuinonIceThis is the 1/10 match that znjader get more then 20kill
#198
|
nAmeless69
| nAmeless69Easy 300$ , how long will it take people to realise that immortals are overrated
#200
|
CamelotzZz
| CamelotzZzkng is so bad lol he should be kicked as soon as possible
#201
|
PeNGuinonIce
| PeNGuinonIceMe on suicide watch because I all in on immortal
4 replies
#206
|
StickyRice
| StickyRiceRIP.
But unless you're new you had to know that "Immortals on Major's qualifier LUL"
2 replies
#403
|
PeNGuinonIce
| PeNGuinonIceSuck it noob,ez comeback .Cry more I won $50
1 reply
#413
|
StickyRice
| StickyRiceYou're getting reported.
EDIT : btw i don't care as i don't bet and i dislike both of these teams (and i hate GODSENT so it's even better they lost).
#500
|
ZaraLarsson
| ZaraLarssonIMT: hold my beer, fam
#202
|
mds818
| mds818IMT ON MAJOR
KAPPA
#203
|
kyoto44
| kyoto44GOD Twist
#205
|
ripnickname
| ripnicknameGOD TWIST
#207
|
shubaNNN
| shubaNNNlucas plz just kys
#208
TheAwakening
TheAwakeningHahahah, TOGGLESENT is real.
#209
Stefez
Farlig |
StefezOmg wtf are you doing lucas what a braindead
#210
guccimane00
BnTeT |
guccimane00solid ct side
#212
TBiHK
GeT_RiGhT |
TBiHKZnajder...OMG
#213
Sizexd
shroud |
SizexdHOLY FUCK
randim cs
#214
tryptamine
tryptamineholy shit tw1st, outplayed them so hard
#215
1234567numberguy
1234567numberguy1v3 again hahahahahah
already lost like 3x 1v3 this game xDDD
daddy fallen probably crying now
2 replies
#222
TheAwakening
TheAwakeningThey almost lost another 3x1. :D
#451
thetrollisreal
olofmeister |
thetrollisreali arent think that
sweden is crying right now
lul
#217
TheAwakening
TheAwakeningnt Lekr0
#218
PWorst
PWorstthis is pretty much over for homesent now
#219
FreezeR *Fragnet
FreezeR *Fragnetbadzilians so bad...
#220
|
Jack1CS
| Jack1CSNeverMajorTals ahahahahahah NT BRA71L
#221
FakMaLaif
FakMaLaifchoke inc
#223
|
Lekr0nline
| Lekr0nline youtube.com/watch?v=vkh0J9IDX6E
#224
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexdlike game against BIG
10-5 > 11-9 > lose to eco > 16-9
#225
i_hate_autism
i_hate_autismthis game is the most intense so far
#226
PWorst
PWorstwhy is it so easy for Immortals now?
#227
knolddasker
knolddaskerYou know immortals are bad when znaider is topping the scoreboard
#228
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexdwtf why Luca$ crying? :D
#229
northamerican10yrs
NAF |
northamerican10yrsi think imt win the game if they win this round
5 replies
#238
|
trNN$
| trNN$NT AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAA
3 replies
#242
northamerican10yrs
NAF |
northamerican10yrsnot bait i think imt makes cumback they used to have such sick cobble t sides
2 replies
#396
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trNN$
| trNN$LOVE YOU OMFG <33333
#426
|
vass28
| vass28good one
#244
trinarr
GeT_RiGhT |
trinarrwhich round? :D
#231
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schurmn
| schurmnsigh, guaranteed choke
#232
Splyease
SplyeaseDw godsent will choke ct side
#233
knolddasker
knolddaskerZnaider looks like a washed up pornstar
#234
FakMaLaif
FakMaLaif14-16 for ugly bra71l inc
#235
|
StickyRice
| StickyRiceChoke is fully loading.
#236
PWorst
PWorstI told you that Godsent have no chance in this match ^^
#237
SaveSweden
SaveSwedenGodsent got really unlucky on that 5th round of the second half, they had the perfect setup, but timing was not in their favour.
#239
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexdwtf immortals?
godnsent not play this fucking map and you lose to them ...
#240
northamerican10yrs
NAF |
northamerican10yrsYea I think if imt develops an economy godsent will be in trouble. The only thing that makes me doubt it is I really don't know how imt are down so much in the first place lol
#241
|
QAUGOD
| QAUGODTWIST = SASHA GREY
#245
ctasantos
ctasantoschoking is real
#246
TilestoNe
TilestoNeMan, I wish Godsent wouldn't force buy so much.
#247
PWorst
PWorsteasy reset and easy game for Immortals now
#248
|
schurmn
| schurmnDISCO PLEASE
#249
Sizexd
shroud |
SizexdgG
#250
|
Kasidro
| Kasidrojesus doplan almost threw that, how the hell did he not get that kill..
#251
Phil_1337
gas |
Phil_1337Round over - Winner: CT (9-14) - Bomb defused
ZNAjDERxD defused the bomb
ZNAjDERxD killed lucas1- with m4a1
lucas1- killed pronax with ak47 (headshot)
ZNAjDERxD killed HEN1:) with m4a1 (headshot)
lucas1- killed twist >D with ak47
pronax killed kNgV- with ump45
lucas1- planted the bomb (3on3)
lucas1- killed Lekr0 with ak47 (headshot)
lucas1- killed disco doplan ??? with ak47
twist >D killed steelega with m4a1
twist >D killed boltz with m4a1 (headshot)
Round started
What a round
#252
|
Jarci
| Jarcidisco is so bad lmao:D almost lost this round because of him and lost train against mouse mainly because of him
#253
|
Someboddyy
| Someboddyy-kng
+fnx
#255
blotz_farting_his_ass
Monkey |
blotz_farting_his_assfnx was problem lul
#256
|
AYEON
| AYEONwhy is pronax always so unlucky :/
2 replies
#273
|
StickyRice
| StickyRiceBecause he is simply shit you know.
It's not "bad luck" when you're a bot.
1 reply
#309
|
AYEON
| AYEONyea i see now LUL
#257
northamerican10yrs
NAF |
northamerican10yrshow did godsent throw that oh my god
#259
PWorst
PWorstthank you for live odds <3
#260
|
roulettesoad
| roulettesoadFUCKING BOT PRONAX MY GOD
#261
|
iarenotthinkthat
| iarenotthinkthatWhy peek disco? Wait for the plant you idiot
#262
|
deadpoolwx
| deadpoolwxOmg guys i can feel the choke so much
3 replies
#266
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexdomg stfu :/
16-12 Godsent
2 replies
#275
northamerican10yrs
NAF |
northamerican10yrssweating sweden?
#400
|
StickyRice
| StickyRiceSweden was wrong.
#264
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_major
JazzPimp |
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_majorpronax 8-20
someone kick this fucking clown from GS, please
tactics aren't shit if ur team is playing 4v5 xD
2 replies
#269
meikelele
meikelele4v4 retard kng igl also noob
1 reply
#315
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_major
JazzPimp |
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_majorkng 17 frags pronax 11 frags
#265
blotz_farting_his_ass
Monkey |
blotz_farting_his_asswtf lucas screaming as fuck
#267
meikelele
meikelelesomehow znajder is playing like a god but pornax noob
1 reply
#268
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_major
JazzPimp |
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_majorpronax is the worst fragger of his team = lose
pronax is the best fragger of his team = lose also
#270
|
shubaNNN
| shubaNNN-kng +fnx
1 reply
#278
guccimane00
BnTeT |
guccimane00u lost 2 much i guess
#271
AGIAM
AGIAMdoplan lost them the round just because he had no neeed to peek from chicken house... they had 15 sec and they had to kill 3ppl and they had crossfires.. but doplan decided to peek = hen1 killed him and after that it fell apart.. all he needed to do was to wait for the plant...
2 replies
#301
tryptamine
tryptaminethey knew he was there so 100% they would hold that angle during the plant
1 reply
#306
AGIAM
AGIAMjust look at this i.imgur.com/wzz9exG.jpg
#272
kaeschdle
tabseN |
kaeschdlechoke is real
pronax t2 igling cant make up for having a 0.3 KD most of the time, kick him
#274
PWorst
PWorstif homesent started on ct side it would've been like 16:2 for immortals
#276
chikinnn
chikinnnFake comeback. Go home immortals
#277
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexdye soo fake :/
not LIKE
#279
Zyw0o
Zyw0oi.imgur.com/wzz9exG.jpg
Nice throw
2 replies
#281
PWorst
PWorstit's a MAJOR qualifier, what do you expect?
#282
AGIAM
AGIAMyh if godesnt loses, its because of this..
#280
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexd5 USP LMAO GG
#283
blotz_farting_his_ass
Monkey |
blotz_farting_his_asssent by god? U mean sent by BOT
#284
CA1MAN
TheEntireNationOfKenya |
CA1MANCHOKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
#285
FakMaLaif
FakMaLaifalways..
#286
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexd16-14 GODSENT STFU FAGGOTS
#287
|
deadpoolwx
| deadpoolwxwhy would you let disco doplan play awp? xDD
#288
|
AyvaN
| AyvaNkng screaming with other favela hahahhahahahqahah
#291
elps
elpshomesent is real
#292
skillz^
skillz^godsent :D:D:D:D:D
#293
female
femalebotsent xddd
#294
sergäyfährlich
sergäyfährlichahahha chokesent,something "new"
#296
|
schurmn
| schurmnJUST
#297
|
chokOOO
| chokOOOnice choke trashsent
#298
|
FullSpe3d
| FullSpe3dahahaha homesent disband ASAP
#299
morpheus0
f0rest |
morpheus0GOD SENT THE WRONG TEAM
#300
meikelele
meikelelewtf znajder and twist no kills from this postion? Drop to a was a dumbass call from imm but godsent wtffffffffffff
#302
1234567numberguy
1234567numberguyhahahaha homesent godchoke hahahaha
#304
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_major
JazzPimp |
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_majorthis chimping is unbearable. Imagine if it was taking place in the Major
#305
Marcines
Marcineswelp botsent go home
#307
Sizexd
shroud |
SizexdPLSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
#308
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_major
JazzPimp |
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_majorPronax is so braindead.
#310
|
cadik
| cadikGOD SENT GOD TOOK IT BACK EleGiggle
#311
NowYouSeeMe2
YNk |
NowYouSeeMe2HOMESENT
#312
|
KKegham
| KKeghamWOWWW NO COMMENT
#313
|
Sekolelele
| Sekolelele12-3 TO 14-16 LOL
#314
1234567numberguy
1234567numberguyhahahaha homesent chokesent
#316
AbteilungsleiterDerLiebe2
boltz |
AbteilungsleiterDerLiebe2luul homesent
#317
|
shubaNNN
| shubaNNNHOMESENT
#319
sergäyfährlich
sergäyfährlichso rekt botsent.muahahahahaha
#320
|
trancemeister
| trancemeisterBOTSEND h@h@h@h@h@.
s1ck comeback Brazileiro! :)
#321
raajabee
s1mple |
raajabeeomg dat comeback ty brazil
#322
mbl4
Boo |
mbl4GG ez, dat comeback tho
#323
|
schurmn
| schurmnI just want to kill someone
1 reply
#462
Holden4President
FalleN |
Holden4PresidentHow much?
#324
Sizexd
shroud |
SizexdYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS BABY OMG OMG OMG dhsaHI[0OFhafjAOPFJafAF
#325
TheAwakening
TheAwakeningDat choke. :D
#326
|
KemNG
| KemNGez choke
#327
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_major
JazzPimp |
Devilwalk_1_s1mple_0_majorGo back home to play against premier teams.
#328
hercegovac
hercegovaclmao godsent wont recover from this, looks like disband time
#329
Therealkabumm
rugrat |
TherealkabummHAHAHAH YEEEEES DISBANDSENT
#331
michaelwang22 #1 Hunden NoKappa
f0rest |
michaelwang22 #1 Hunden NoKappaCHOKESENT
#332
Zyw0o
Zyw0oi.imgur.com/wzz9exG.jpg
1 reply
#374
female
femalefeelsbadman 12-3 rip my money...
#333
TilestoNe
TilestoNeAnd so the Homesent meme stays alive. Ridiculous.
#334
|
Laggy
| LaggyPls disband
#335
kazara
kazarachokesent
#336
Blogas
Blogas3-12 16-14 Xdddddddddddd
#337
|
Hempxz
| HempxzOMG I LOVE THIS TEAM <33333333333
#338
cngcsgo
TheEntireNationOfKenya |
cngcsgoprnt.sc/fqo33c that hurts...
#339
PWorst
PWorstimgur.com/a/VwuS8
WHAT DID I TELL YOU SCRUBS? WHAT DID I TELL YOU? AHAHAHAHAHA
THANKS IMMORTALS <3
10 replies
#385
|
Excelerate
| Excelerategood job, insane comeback by immortals
1 reply
#405
PWorst
PWorstnothing insane tbh, when we approach major territory retarded shit like that always happens
Homesent just threw this game away with that 3 vs 2 against low hp players but it was meant to happen
#393
undisman
elemeNt |
undismanWhere did u bet?
1 reply
#460
PWorst
PWorstfanobet
#401
|
BB^^
| BB^^nice livebet
#406
Sizexd
shroud |
SizexdLMAO, you have 17k$
ahahhahahahahahaha megakid
3 replies
#432
PWorst
PWorstyou're so jealous it makes me happy <3
2 replies
#433
Sizexd
shroud |
Sizexdok dude, relax ..
look
clips.twitch.tv/VibrantPleasantTruffleAr..
insane from imm <3
1 reply
#466
Holden4President
FalleN |
Holden4PresidentFeelsBad :(
#423
northamerican10yrs
NAF |
northamerican10yrsHoly shit 7 odds? I was just saying I thought imt would win at like 13-7. Damn I wish USA wasnt banned from fanobet, I don't feel like using a VPN.
#340
saotequi
coldzera |
saotequiCHOKESENT HOMESENT
#341
JME_
JME_HOMESENT IS DONE LMAO NICE CHOKE
#342
Gosx
GosxIMT WP
#345
iceicemaybe
nylon |
iceicemaybeSHAMESENT
#346
coldzeraisthegoat
coldzeraisthegoatAmazing comeback jesus christ
#347
|
roulettesoad
| roulettesoadgg homesent trash
#348
|
kick_michu
| kick_michuGODSENT is embarrassing for CS competive scene around the world
#350
ronibr
fer |
ronibrhahahahahahahahaha what a comeback IMT <3
#351
jdm256
jdm256What a comeback, gg
#352
_kYRA
XANTARES |
_kYRAX KURWA D
#353
Stefez
Farlig |
StefezOmg just omg chokesent
#354
|
The President - HLTV.org
| The President - HLTV.orgHEN1 ez
#355
avaChamber
avaChamberznajder topfragging says it all
#355
avaChamber
avaChamberznajder topfragging says it all
#358
|
shubaNNN
| shubaNNNIMT will still get raped next round
1 reply
#392
Xyclopzz
Xyclopzzfak off retard 689 supporter
#359
|
v1p3rrr
| v1p3rrrWHAT A TRASH GAME AHAHAHA
#360
1234567numberguy
1234567numberguyhgahahaha homesent
pronax totally useless as always worst pro ever hahahah 11-25 xDDD
#362
|
Tirelessethan
| Tirelessethaneasiest money of my life hahahha
#363
|
powergs
| powergsOMFG Im glad i skipped this match i would kill myself if i lose that bet
#364
|
hen1_better_than_s1mple
| hen1_better_than_s1mpleCHOCKSEND
#365
vapule
coldzera |
vapuleHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA kkkkk
#366
|
StickyRice
| StickyRiceYou can't win games when pronax barely gets 10 kills in 30 rounds.
I said (and i was a bit wrong because i thought Dignitas would beat BOTSENT on the first game though) that BOTSENT would go 0-3 or best case 1-3 and they did 1-3.
I had them clearly not at the Major.
#367
Sizexd
shroud |
SizexdYES YES YES THANKS
#368
|
Delta$
| Delta$Ezzzzzzzzz immmmmmmmo
#370
|
v1p3rrr
| v1p3rrrHOMESENT
#371
Sarac007
f0rest |
Sarac007pronax full noob delete cs go
#372
skillz^
skillz^the moment immortal bettors' money is saved :D:D:
#373
sukindik4alivin
hardstyle |
sukindik4alivindisgrace to swedistan
#375
|
closet
| closetWOOOO IMT <3
#376
ReservoirDogs
Twistzz |
ReservoirDogsNUNCA CRITIQUEI
#377
|
Static2k
| Static2kxD
#378
Xyclopzz
XyclopzzGODSENT = GOD SENT YOU HOME = HOMESENT
gg immortgods surely this time you have to qualify
#379
sabooo
coldzera |
saboooHoly shit I didn't expect immortals to almost lose this, I just woke up to watch the game at 15-14 lmao
#381
TonimSan
steel |
TonimSanIf you are not G2, Astralis, Faze and SK, you must be INSANE to play Immortals on Cobblestone.
#382
|
djkido316
| djkido316EZ All in for Immortals @ 8.1 odds :D
#384
|
HLTVBaitRating
| HLTVBaitRatingdisband already
#386
|
KKegham
| KKeghamlmao i just want to puke after this game.
#387
|
holyjoe
| holyjoecry is free
#388
k1bitz
k1bitzCHOKESENT is real lul
#389
|
Punishments.com
| Punishments.comI'm a simple man. I see immortals down 1-7, i bet on them for ez skrilla!..
#390
physt
f0rest |
phystxD
nice comeback/choke
#391
|
mds818
| mds818huge and godlike from imt which i really didnt see comming,however they still need to win that last win,which im still doubting in.
#394
kaeschdle
tabseN |
kaeschdlepls disband
#397
AlexDR19
Aleksib |
AlexDR19kick pronax out, no more mistakes allowed
#398
Sizexd
shroud |
SizexdKNG noob??
THIS GUY SAVE IMT <3
what a GOD
1 reply
#434
|
Hempxz
| Hempxzkng playing like a bot in this qualifier hen1 god give for kng the awps in tr side,and works
#399
|
Excelerate
| Excelerateprops to immortals for never giving up
#408
Zyw0o
Zyw0oi.imgur.com/wzz9exG
#409
|
StickyRice
| StickyRicepronax is the most overrated player ever and the fakest legend i have ever seen.
His place is barely in a Tier 5 team.
#410
physt
f0rest |
phystbotnax strikes again
#411
blotz_farting_his_ass
Monkey |
blotz_farting_his_assLul BR animal
#412
xzorie
Carcass |
xzorieCHOKESENT
#414
SoSueMe
SoSueMeIf they had scrapped up some cash and gave lekro a m4 in the last round he would've aced. You have a secret weapon, REALIZE YOU HAVE IT AND USE IT!
#415
|
Tirelessethan
| Tirelessethangodsent fans and bettors need suicide
#416
|
thooorin_destroyed_kng
| thooorin_destroyed_kngCHOKESENT OMG
#418
|
Fatal Fighter
| Fatal Fighterwhat an epic match it was
#419
|
mibrzera
| mibrzeraCRY IS FREE
#424
|
FoxOutOfGlocks
| FoxOutOfGlocksHOMESENT AHAHHAHAHHAHAA
#427
zreigkoph
zreigkophMarkus 'pronax' Wallsten
11-25 -14 54.2 46.7% 0.55
#428
BOT Troy
BOT TroyBotnax most consistence bottom frager
#429
skillz^
skillz^the most interesting and exciting game so far in qualifier lull
#430
ebp
Hiko |
ebpGod I hope IMT get eliminated. I can't stand watching HEN1 and his stupid hyper cheers
#431
|
deadpoolwx
| deadpoolwxGodsent had all the best chances to win here, never seen a more deserved loss
#435
|
Deponator
| DeponatorHOMESENT
#436
|
EDWR
| EDWRGodset you guys are really bad, kek. Can't even close the game.
#437
|
EXTOL[t]
| EXTOL[t]godsent stop playing battlegrounds you are the best team in sweeden, teams like godsent can destroy SK-gaming, G2....
1 reply
#489
|
Djentleman
| Djentlemanforget the Kappa bro!
#438
BudaKK
BudaKKhomesent fanboys alive?
1 reply
#444
|
ThorinEk
| ThorinEkI gave up all hope a long time ago.
#439
|
roulettesoad
| roulettesoadTWIST RAGE LUL
clips.twitch.tv/CrunchyVictoriousRhinoce..
2 replies
#483
RipHeadphoneUsers
RipHeadphoneUsersid be mad too lol
#506
popovichh
popovichhSomething's off about that clip tho, can't put my finger on it...
Ah yes - need to replace the table with Pronax's face.
#441
|
kennyBeast
| kennyBeastNO SWEDISH TEAMS AT THE MAJOR LMAO.
6 replies
#448
inseparable
GeT_RiGhT |
inseparablefnatic are not swedish .. okay then :D
#449
|
Sizz - <3 ex-LGB
| Sizz - <3 ex-LGBare you dumb?
3 replies
#450
northamerican10yrs
NAF |
northamerican10yrsfnatic die before major very sad
2 replies
#455
|
Sizz - <3 ex-LGB
| Sizz - <3 ex-LGBimagine
tfw Liquid won't even make it to the major
1 reply
#465
northamerican10yrs
NAF |
northamerican10yrsfnatic dies but liquid takes their spot cuz pgl felt bad liquid choked 14-1 lead against vega squadron
#457
inseparable
GeT_RiGhT |
inseparableor may be i am wrong ? but at least that all i know is like olofmeister - swedish dennis - swedish flusha - swedish jw - swedish and even krimz is fuckin swedish so we have 5 guys from sweden which means The team fnatic is fully represented from Swedish players .. so may be you are wrong :D
#446
IarentThinkThatz
fer |
IarentThinkThatz#thecryisfree #swedencsLUL
#452
sh6690
sh6690GOD PRONAX Back to FORM!!!!!
#454
razendd_
woxic |
razendd_11 AWP Kill kNg PogChamp
#470
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BuddyINSANE
| BuddyINSANEI'm so proud my team <3
We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL!
Kreygasm
1 reply
#472
Dov
Dovtg
#479
Black137
Black137EZ
#482
RipHeadphoneUsers
RipHeadphoneUsersand hen1 says fuck you to all of the hates. Well done immortals!
#484
lellultopkekxd
Monkey |
lellultopkekxdgodsent FeelsBadMan
#485
ausgeloest
FalleN |
ausgeloesta goob job by Immortals to manage to come back, but come on, this should've been a stomp. they need to stop underperforming in these qualifiers.
1 reply
#496
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riandro25
| riandro25IMT choke in every qualifiers
#488
lovessd
fnx |
lovessdwith such cocky team's name i m not surprised at all about their hard failure
#491
`DinGo
ropz |
`DinGoWhen you try your best but you don't succeed
#495
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Bountshi
| BountshiMastermind pronax, lol retire bot
#497
ragnjj
ragnjjIt's obvious they need another 5th then pronax, he just doesnt bring the firepower needed often enough. As he owns the team the rest probably need to leave and join up with another 5th in another organisation. Or Pronax should do whats best for the team and step down and take a coach/strategy role. Hes never going to be a star player and he isnt a IGL genius enough that the team really need him.
#501
terminat0r
KRIMZ |
terminat0rKICK_PRONAX_FFS
#502
Ruble
steel |
Rublemastermind pronax xD
#509
northamerican10yrs
NAF |
northamerican10yrsremember this?
1 reply
#511
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jon_be_goode
| jon_be_goodeJust came back to see the clip where Twist whiffed on Steel in the 8th round, allowing Steel to get a 3k
If Twist had hit that shot, we would probably have a different team in the grand final right now
That's pretty trippy man
#512
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roulettesoad
| roulettesoadthe game that could change the whole major
#513
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NO_FNX_NO_MAJOR
| NO_FNX_NO_MAJORLooking back on this is still hilarious
#514
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emiliosantos
| emiliosantosomfg
#515
lvr1
nexa |
lvr1If pronax could be decent, VP would've been in all the major finals in 2017 #FeelsBadMan
#516
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NO_FNX_NO_MAJOR
| NO_FNX_NO_MAJORThe good ol days
#517
saldi_
slaxz- |
saldi_why did this pop up on the recent?
1 reply
#518
DisableJ
ableJ |
DisableJxaxaxaxxaxaxa pronax
e: look at #516
