05:05
9th of February 2018
 
Match over
Maps
Best of 1
1. Grizzlys removed Overpass
2. No Tenemos Nada removed Train
3. Grizzlys removed Cobblestone
4. No Tenemos Nada removed Inferno
5. Grizzlys removed Nuke
6. No Tenemos Nada removed Cache
7. Mirage was left over
Mirage
14:16 (11:4; 3:12)STATS
Rewatch
AustraliaMacVod
Russiagloomy95Vod
ArgentinaBrekanVod
Highlights
tutehen - 3 AK kills (2 HS) on the bombsite A retake (initial 2vs3 post-plant situation - including 1vs2 clutch while having 19 HP)
guishorro - 4 AK kills (2 HS) on the Mid offensive (vs mostly upgraded pistols)
theTRUTH - 3 kills (2 M4A1-S, USP-S HS) on the bombsite B defense
tomi - 1vs2 clutch (T - bomb planted after 1 clutch kill)
guishorro - 4 AWP kills on the bombsite B defense
Match stats
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
Argentina
Guillermo 'guishorro' Areco
guishorro
27-21 +6 95.5 80.0% 1.36
Argentina
Tomás 'tomi' Guardia
tomi
21-21 0 76.2 83.3% 1.14
Argentina
Matias 'tutehen' Canale
tutehen
20-21 -1 73.9 66.7% 1.07
Argentina
Nahuel 'Straka' Vazquez
Straka
17-21 -4 66.9 76.7% 0.94
Argentina
Jonathan 'JonY BoY' Muñoz
JonY BoY
12-23 -11 54.9 56.7% 0.74
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
United States
Jake 'theTRUTH' Hass
theTRUTH
29-18 +11 98.6 76.7% 1.38
Turkey
Mert 'REOVA' Bayrak
REOVA
26-16 +10 66.7 76.7% 1.24
Canada
Keven 'PLAYER1' Champagne
PLAYER1
22-23 -1 86.7 70.0% 1.15
Canada
Alex 'vek' Voynov
vek
15-18 -3 65.8 93.3% 1.06
United States
Toryon 'KLUMZ' Kelley
KLUMZ
15-22 -7 63.3 66.7% 0.87
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
Argentina
Guillermo 'guishorro' Areco
guishorro
27-21 +6 95.5 80.0% 1.36
Argentina
Tomás 'tomi' Guardia
tomi
21-21 0 76.2 83.3% 1.14
Argentina
Matias 'tutehen' Canale
tutehen
20-21 -1 73.9 66.7% 1.07
Argentina
Nahuel 'Straka' Vazquez
Straka
17-21 -4 66.9 76.7% 0.94
Argentina
Jonathan 'JonY BoY' Muñoz
JonY BoY
12-23 -11 54.9 56.7% 0.74
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
United States
Jake 'theTRUTH' Hass
theTRUTH
29-18 +11 98.6 76.7% 1.38
Turkey
Mert 'REOVA' Bayrak
REOVA
26-16 +10 66.7 76.7% 1.24
Canada
Keven 'PLAYER1' Champagne
PLAYER1
22-23 -1 86.7 70.0% 1.15
Canada
Alex 'vek' Voynov
vek
15-18 -3 65.8 93.3% 1.06
United States
Toryon 'KLUMZ' Kelley
KLUMZ
15-22 -7 63.3 66.7% 0.87
Top player in match
Head to head
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Wins
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Overtimes
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Wins
#1
 | 
Italy PiccanteCA 
ez ntn go Straka
2018-02-06 14:35
#2
Luken | 
Argentina alvaDz 
straka the argentinian fnx
2018-02-06 18:59
#56
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North America djibrilyatrib 
Low cost fnx
2018-02-09 04:02
#3
 | 
Argentina _stock 
ez straka
2018-02-06 21:34
#4
Dimasex | 
Germany Trottel 
ntn still in SA?
2018-02-06 21:50
#5
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Argentina EzeRollin 
Yes
2018-02-07 04:20
#6
Luken | 
Argentina alvaDz 
yes
2018-02-07 07:21
#7
Faroe Islands xuan 
why u sure?
2018-02-07 08:31
Because Argentina is located in SA, boy Indian education.
2018-02-07 18:06
#22
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Argentina Bombtrack 
lol
2018-02-07 23:08
LMFAO AHAHHAHAHAH REKT
2018-02-08 01:42
#33
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Argentina Zestv2 
+1 REKT
2018-02-08 02:54
#34
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Argentina Setiion 
lmao
2018-02-08 02:55
lol
2018-02-08 03:07
#38
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Brazil wdks 
rekt
2018-02-08 03:37
#41
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Brazil Raphzzz 
Lranja
2018-02-08 03:52
#45
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Argentina roulettesoad 
savage
2018-02-08 13:56
lol
2018-02-09 05:30
omg xD
2018-02-09 10:38
LOOL
2018-02-09 14:54
fucking ping that have ntn, this mdl would be of them if it were not because they are playing from SA
2018-02-07 17:14
#9
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Argentina roulettesoad 
ez for el niño polla
2018-02-07 17:46
#23
contE | 
Argentina rdg138 
JAAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJA LA PUTA MADRE JAJAJAJAJJA
2018-02-07 23:09
#50
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Argentina Kamps22 
+1
2018-02-09 01:32
#10
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Brazil Collee 
Ntn are pretty bad. Won't win anything without marke
2018-02-07 18:05
6/8
2018-02-07 18:53
#28
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Argentina gonZAA 
you are always bashing argentinian teams, its so funny
2018-02-08 00:35
#30
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Italy PiccanteCA 
kid hater np
2018-02-08 01:26
marke always choked on important matches 3/8
2018-02-08 03:08
no temos nada, hahahaha what a weird name
2018-02-07 18:05
No Tenemos Nada* means we have nothing... hahahaha literally they have nothing, no house in USA, no social media accounts, nothing.
2018-02-07 19:16
#18
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World ECNE4zE 
Since is not an org, it's like a team name only... Like "Looking 4 org" or something like that, Not org, just 5 players + couch to play, indeed, they don't need an official account...
2018-02-07 20:37
and how should orga contact them, trough sms or you have calls now already ?
2018-02-08 00:22
They have twitter
2018-02-09 03:58
which grizzlies lineup is right? There‘s a different one in the earlier matchup vs Say No More
2018-02-07 18:20
#19
Faroe Islands xuan 
the current one is right, they will win ez tbh
2018-02-07 22:19
#21
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Argentina ep1GRAPH 
Prove it or...
2018-02-07 22:47
it was fixed in the meantime when I posted my comment grt and some other players were still in the expected roster field
2018-02-07 23:29
Straka Hype!
2018-02-07 22:25
#29
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Argentina gonZAA 
the roster is pretty good but they need to be in fair conditions to win
2018-02-08 00:37
these odds tho
2018-02-07 23:13
ez Grizzly
2018-02-07 23:13
#32
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United States Boggsnator 
Will be casting this match in english: twitch.tv/boggsnator
2018-02-08 02:18
#37
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Argentina SCanalla 
Ntn going w.o
2018-02-08 03:22
ntn 100ping??
2018-02-08 03:43
#40
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Germany Bossi_15 
150-200 most likely
2018-02-08 03:45
180-240 actually
2018-02-08 20:21
200-300 depends on the server
2018-02-08 04:51
#42
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Sweden Myname_jeff 
Ez for grizzlys7
2018-02-08 03:53
#47
Argentina ZEJO 
ez 4 GOD STRAKA the most handsome guy
2018-02-08 21:47
is there any official statement or tweet that they are still in argentina or southamerica in general?
2018-02-08 22:20
twitter.com/tutecsgo/status/961339384489.. "jugar con 230 m/s" = playing with 230 ping ... I think that goes for the others too.
2018-02-09 00:04
thank you :)
2018-02-09 03:19
We (args) all know them and know that they're in Arg, still don't have an org
2018-02-09 04:00
#51
device | 
Peru Miyers 
this would be ez for ntn if they were in usa, but for that reason its ez for grizzlys RIP
2018-02-09 01:48
#52
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Germany PeKay 
ez grizzly 5 high pings now
2018-02-09 01:58
#59
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
how high are the pings for the no tenemos players?
2018-02-09 05:17
220
2018-02-09 18:40
#58
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Denmark Zorrondo 
ez money
2018-02-09 05:13
#60
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
Does anyone know how high the pings are for the Argentinians?
2018-02-09 05:19
#62
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Germany Bossi_15 
160-195
2018-02-09 05:25
#61
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
Serious question, how is No Tenemos winning any rounds with 200 ping?
2018-02-09 05:21
cuz its na mdl 80 % of the na mdl teams would get stomped by eu esea main teams
2018-02-09 05:27
#64
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
No Tenemos isn't "EU", they are from South America, probably the worst region besides obscurities such as Africa and the Middle East. Although NA MDL teams are REALLY bad, they should still be able to beat a terrible SA team with 250 ping.
2018-02-09 05:29
#66
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Germany Bossi_15 
If you would move all the decent SA Teams up to NA, they would flood half of the NA Teams out of MDL. TNT is under normal circumstances the best Team in NA MDL, tied with Rise Nation and Torqued. TNT finished first last year in mdl but failed on the bo3 parts. Edit: They also always win the T Pistol because its really easy actually with high ping. Just imagine your an A Player on Mirage and 5 people who kinda lag rush out ramp with their glocks and just fire 100 bullets into your positions while you try to hit them with your usp
2018-02-09 05:33
#68
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
Well, to be honest I don't closely follow either of the premier scenes in the NA or SA region, so I cannot argue on your first point. However, I did see this core of players when they were playing under Miami Flamingos and Gale Force, and they were pretty decent, and usually near the top of MDL. I just thought that no matter how good the team is under "normal circumstances", when you are playing on a severe handicap such as being on 250 ping, the opponent can easily win just solely based on aim and the superior ability to react faster... Also, are you saying that the lag affects the team without lag more as the targets are much harder to hit?
2018-02-09 05:43
#69
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Germany Bossi_15 
Last point kinda yeah. Depending on situations like what do you when you have a glock? You run and shoot with it you dont stand still. Huge advantage over the usp in this situation. In pretty much all other situations you have a disadvantage but it can be enough. Like this game atm. They win pistol, get a quick plant on round 2 so no retake and a quick 3-0. CT's win first round, get overconfident and lose the next one and be on an eco again. So 5-1 without too much effort. get a lucky clutch where the ct's once again get overconfident, easy 7-1 since another eco for the ct's. So you won 1 round and gained a 7-1 score easily. Grizzly was taking this way too easily and get punished for it thats how cs works. But dont forget playing T with high ping is way easier then playing CT usually. So dont be suprised if you see Grizzly taking this back fast if they play it right. They just have to avoid the potential awp/2xawp setup, since awp on a high ping isnt really a struggle,
2018-02-09 05:50
#74
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
Yeah, what you are saying does make sense... if they are just rushing and spamming the glock as a group rushing toward one CT who has a USP, they definitely have the advantage there... I guess I might have overrated the ping slightly, and I thought it would be basically UNPLAYABLE, literally. You are right, No Tenemos did get pretty lucky and quickly spiraled up to 7 round wins, due to some lucky plays, and also pretty bad plays by Grizzlys. Also, if the AWP is peeking you with 250 ping, do they also have a heavy advantage since you don't see them as quick as you normally would? And it makes sense that T side would be easier, since they are holding angles, etc.
2018-02-09 05:59
#77
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Germany Bossi_15 
With an AWP you dont take a real gun fight, you hold an angle and click mouse 1. Even if the T's sees you first you still only have to land a single shot. M4 vs AK on the other hand its super hard to win the 1v1 unless the t fucks up a spray. Like round 24. guishorro holds an angle, shot and kill. Repostions a bit more defensive shot an kill. gets the guy on short who was unaware shot + kill. With an M4 on high ping impossible.
2018-02-09 06:03
#81
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
Yeah, but I assumed that if a T does a peek onto a CT sniper who is holding an angle (and the sniper has very high ping), once the T peeks, the server won't relay that information to the CT sniper as it normally would if he was playing on normal ping (causing it to be delayed for a few more ms) and that's all the time you really need for that T to peek and one tap the sniper... maybe I am wrong, which is why I like discussing this, I am learning more. So thank you mate.
2018-02-09 06:09
#83
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Germany Bossi_15 
Your right on that one but it depends on the position the ct is holding. Like if you are on A Site and hold ticket booth with an AWP you will lose vs the T especially with a high ping but if you hold like really sneaky angles even the ping cant help the T out you will go down. And guishorro played it perfect that round, he got the kill and not even considering repeaking, he instantly dopped of barrels on B to get a new position between bench and site which was even better. Since the T most likely peaks site, then bench and then inbetween.
2018-02-09 06:13
#67
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Canada PwnNewb 
worse how? as in ping yes? as in skill? are you on crazy? I am not a fan of them, but I am just speaking as a CSGO fan: Gale Force and Miami Flamingos were VERY good for premier level skill. They are soooo far above your average MDL team that they could beat most of these MDL teams with their left hand with 300 ping
2018-02-09 05:33
#71
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
I never used the term "worse". I said that even though NA MDL teams "in general" are really bad, this ex-Miami Flamingos roster is also pretty awful, having never accomplished anything significant, other than the fact that they were usually in the top 5 of premier league. I think you are severely over-estimating how good this roster is, because even though they were usually somewhere at the top of the pack in ESEA premier, they were never "dominating" any teams, except the really low tier, basically "main" level rosters that plague the bottom of the premier league. Whether or not they are "better" in terms of skill than this obviously terrible Grizzlys roster is not something that I argued. In my opinion, you are correct in the fact that they would win the majority of times on any given day under "normal" playing circumstances. My point was that regardless of if No Tenemos is "better", they are both playing in the same league and as such, the skill gap between these players is not as astronomical as you are suggesting. And I only asked my initial question of " how is No Tenemos winning any rounds with 200 ping?" because I wasn't sure how big of a handicap this was to the Argentinian Squad. I assumed that they wouldn't even be able to react to anything and the game would be so utterly laggy as it is for me when I play on the same ping (200-250). So given the fact that No Tenemos has such high ping I assumed Grizzlys would be able to just destroy them purely based on the reaction difference.
2018-02-09 05:52
#79
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
Literally the only good result you posted was losing 16-14 to North in a best of 1, on one of their worst maps... but it was on LAN so I guess that is a pretty good result. Other than that, They beat Splyce (probably one of the absolute worst Pro League teams), and they lost to NRG in overtime, again *ONLINE*... NRG is notorious for struggling against lower tier opponents online especially. The rest of the teams are premier teams, so I'm not even going to address that. As I stated below, I think they are a decent premier team, but they haven't achieved anything notable AT ALL. If losing to NORTH is their best achievement that you can show me, you literally just proved my point.
2018-02-09 06:05
You said "terrible sa team" , for me they're one of the best sa teams atm , yes they're not in pro-league lvl atm , but i think they have the potential
2018-02-09 06:08
#85
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
Well that statement that I made is all relative. For example if we are comparing teams such as SK and FaZe to "Miami Flamingos", then would you not agree they are "terrible" and pale in comparison? As I said, I already do not follow the SA scene very closely at all, so I don't know many teams, except for SK, and ex-100 thieves. But don't get me wrong mate, from a developing scene such as SA, that doesn't have the infrastructure, time and money put into it such as the NA scene has (and most MDL NA teams are really, really, bad...) these are definitely good results if you think about it THAT WAY. I guess in my personal opinion, any team below top 10 is really bad, since the skill gap is so close nowadays...
2018-02-09 06:14
The nrg match was 100% throw because he got a spot un dh
2018-02-09 06:17
#112
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Canada PwnNewb 
I would agree...I look at them as a dominant premier level team, or a bad pro level team. With some time they could become a decent pro team, or if not they will still be a very very good premier level team.
2018-02-09 07:11
#124
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Mexico romoresp 
NRG 16-0 and 16-1 immortals old roster in epl lol
2018-02-10 07:00
#114
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United States Quanxd 
not a single bo3, every time they have to play a bo3 against a decent MDL playoff team they lose.
2018-02-09 09:32
They're not a "terrible" team, and grizzlys are really fucking bad, only lost cuz 200 ms
2018-02-09 06:26
Damn, would've bet on them if I knew they didn't have high ping like they usually do..
2018-02-09 05:51
#72
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Germany Bossi_15 
They have pretty much the same ping as in the other games. Even worse actually since marke atleast had a 70-80 ping and now with straka all 5 are at 160-190
2018-02-09 05:55
Argentina cheaters ez
2018-02-09 06:00
#78
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Italy PiccanteCA 
cheaters LUL nice sarcasm
2018-02-09 06:02
preguntas?
2018-02-09 06:14
never seen a team that was mentally unable to run default plays
2018-02-09 06:00
#82
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Germany Bossi_15 
Once again they prove they deserve an org, doesnt matter if they lose or win. Grizzly is no pushover. They are a good mdl Team. I just hope they get an org and finally move back to NA so they can actually play for real again.
2018-02-09 06:09
#84
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Italy PiccanteCA 
+1 bro
2018-02-09 06:14
#97
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Argentina Cushiion 
+1
2018-02-09 06:20
??? They barely beat a team with 250 ping what do you mean lol
2018-02-09 06:27
when you play the MDL with 250 of ping it warns me that I want to see you win every game lol
2018-02-09 06:53
#87
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Sweden versie 
ezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz for Grizzlys
2018-02-09 06:15
#92
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Argentina Cushiion 
ez 16-14 against 5 players with 200ms ?
2018-02-09 06:16
#94
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Sweden versie 
yeah too ez argentinians favelas lost again OMEGALUL
2018-02-09 06:17
#95
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Argentina Cushiion 
I prefer to be an Argentinean from the favela with education to be a refined Swede with shit in the brain
2018-02-09 06:19
#99
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Sweden versie 
an Argentinean from the favela without education* OMEGALUL
2018-02-09 06:23
#105
Luken | 
Argentina alvaDz 
in argentina we dont have favelas
2018-02-09 06:29
We don't have favelas here you retard
2018-02-09 06:27
#117
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Brazil vass28 
yes you have villa 31 for example is a favela
2018-02-09 11:39
#119
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Argentina roulettesoad 
ok but we call them "villas", not favelas
2018-02-09 13:32
#120
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Brazil vass28 
fair enough
2018-02-09 13:59
11-4 14-16 LuL
2018-02-09 06:15
#91
aizy | 
Europe Winde 
Yes, playing on CT side with 250 ping? It makes sense that they only won 3 rounds.
2018-02-09 06:16
but they have previously played games with better ping and likewise they are disgusting
2018-02-09 06:21
200-250 ping....clearly the ct side with ping is much more difficult because if they rush all the rounds, how do you stop them?
2018-02-09 06:26
the only good thing they did was beat him 14 rounds to north
2018-02-09 06:29
imagine a tier 1 team that only wins after disadvantageous halves with >5 round difference grizzlys is that but in tier 5
2018-02-09 06:16
everything you want but do not count on playing with 200-250 of ping, I would like to see this match in equal conditions and I assure you that it would not have ended the same
2018-02-09 06:33
#108
Luken | 
Argentina alvaDz 
easy 16-4
2018-02-09 06:38
obviously NTN were outplaying them to hell if not for the ping difference it would be 16-3 for them
2018-02-09 13:06
#96
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Australia JulienD 
SA choke
2018-02-09 06:19
200 ping retard, also why you fakeflagging?
2018-02-09 06:27
#NTNToUSA
2018-02-09 06:41
Ez learn 2 play boludos
2018-02-09 06:48
so easy
2018-02-09 09:33
#122
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Canada ryxze 
easy win
2018-02-09 16:30
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