17:00
22nd of May 2020
 
Match over
Maps
Best of 3 * Group B winners' match
1. HellRaisers removed Overpass
2. Hard Legion removed Nuke
3. HellRaisers picked Vertigo
4. Hard Legion picked Train
5. HellRaisers removed Dust2
6. Hard Legion removed Inferno
7. Mirage was left over
Vertigo
HellRaisers
15
(7:8; 8:7) (0:4)
Hard Legion
19
Train
HellRaisers
16
(4:11; 12:3)
Hard Legion
14
Mirage
HellRaisers
10
(4:11; 6:5)
Hard Legion
16
Rewatch
RussiaSector Esports (Map 1 - Vertigo)Vod
RussiaSector Esports (Map 2 - Train)Vod
RussiaSector Esports (Map 3 - Mirage)Vod
Highlights
M1 | kalinka - 1vs2 clutch (CT - post-plant situation)
M1 | JIaYm - 3 M4A1-S kills on the defense (finishing frags)
M1 | JIaYm - 3 AK kills on the bombsite B bomb plant defense (2vs3 situation)
M1 | Flarich (T) wins the 1vs3 post-plant situation with the help of the bomb timer in the final duel
M2 | JIaYm - 4 USP-S HS kills on the bombsite A defense (clean pistol round)
M3 | Krad - 3 M4A4 HS kills on the bombsite A defense (2vs3 situation)
Match stats
Side
Both
TerroristT
Counter-TerroristCT
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
Russia
Nikita 'JIaYm' Panyushkin
JIaYm
74-67 +7 93.2 64.4% 1.17
Lithuania
Nikolaj 'kalinka' Rysakov
kalinka
66-66 0 76.7 62.2% 1.02
Russia
Dmitriy 'ProbLeM' Martinov
ProbLeM
54-61 -7 75.8 67.8% 0.96
Latvia
Vadim 'Flarich' Karetin
Flarich
51-59 -8 63.1 64.4% 0.90
Ukraine
Dmitriy 'jR' Chervak
jR
51-66 -15 55.7 64.4% 0.82
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
Russia
Vladislav 'Krad' Kravchenko
Krad
84-61 +23 97.9 68.9% 1.38
Russia
Semyon 'kinqie' Lisitsyn
kinqie
69-61 +8 81.1 72.2% 1.17
Ukraine
Dmitry 'rAge' Bolotov
rAge
64-56 +8 72.4 74.4% 1.08
Russia
Igor 'Forester' Bezotecheskiy
Forester
50-58 -8 66.6 68.9% 0.94
Russia
Svyatoslav 'svyat' Dovbakh
svyat
51-62 -11 68.3 66.7% 0.93
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
Lithuania
Nikolaj 'kalinka' Rysakov
kalinka
28-27 +1 87.7 61.8% 1.10
Russia
Nikita 'JIaYm' Panyushkin
JIaYm
26-26 0 89.6 58.8% 1.07
Ukraine
Dmitriy 'jR' Chervak
jR
23-25 -2 61.5 70.6% 0.98
Latvia
Vadim 'Flarich' Karetin
Flarich
17-22 -5 61.2 67.6% 0.92
Russia
Dmitriy 'ProbLeM' Martinov
ProbLeM
15-26 -11 59.0 58.8% 0.68
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
Russia
Semyon 'kinqie' Lisitsyn
kinqie
31-21 +10 93.4 76.5% 1.35
Ukraine
Dmitry 'rAge' Bolotov
rAge
31-21 +10 89.9 70.6% 1.28
Russia
Vladislav 'Krad' Kravchenko
Krad
26-26 0 76.9 70.6% 1.11
Russia
Igor 'Forester' Bezotecheskiy
Forester
18-20 -2 67.6 76.5% 1.05
Russia
Svyatoslav 'svyat' Dovbakh
svyat
19-22 -3 64.4 61.8% 0.85
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
Russia
Nikita 'JIaYm' Panyushkin
JIaYm
29-21 +8 112.4 70.0% 1.49
Russia
Dmitriy 'ProbLeM' Martinov
ProbLeM
26-15 +11 89.9 80.0% 1.41
Lithuania
Nikolaj 'kalinka' Rysakov
kalinka
23-21 +2 81.2 63.3% 1.12
Latvia
Vadim 'Flarich' Karetin
Flarich
16-20 -4 57.7 56.7% 0.78
Ukraine
Dmitriy 'jR' Chervak
jR
13-22 -9 49.5 60.0% 0.64
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
Russia
Vladislav 'Krad' Kravchenko
Krad
30-20 +10 109.1 63.3% 1.46
Russia
Svyatoslav 'svyat' Dovbakh
svyat
18-22 -4 76.1 63.3% 1.06
Russia
Semyon 'kinqie' Lisitsyn
kinqie
21-24 -3 70.4 70.0% 0.97
Ukraine
Dmitry 'rAge' Bolotov
rAge
18-19 -1 58.8 76.7% 0.94
Russia
Igor 'Forester' Bezotecheskiy
Forester
12-23 -11 59.1 56.7% 0.70
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
Latvia
Vadim 'Flarich' Karetin
Flarich
18-17 +1 71.8 69.2% 1.04
Russia
Nikita 'JIaYm' Panyushkin
JIaYm
19-20 -1 75.5 65.4% 0.96
Russia
Dmitriy 'ProbLeM' Martinov
ProbLeM
13-20 -7 81.7 65.4% 0.86
Ukraine
Dmitriy 'jR' Chervak
jR
15-19 -4 55.3 61.5% 0.84
Lithuania
Nikolaj 'kalinka' Rysakov
kalinka
15-18 -3 57.0 61.5% 0.83
K-D +/- ADR KAST Rating2.0
Russia
Vladislav 'Krad' Kravchenko
Krad
28-15 +13 112.5 73.1% 1.66
Russia
Semyon 'kinqie' Lisitsyn
kinqie
17-16 +1 77.5 69.2% 1.17
Russia
Igor 'Forester' Bezotecheskiy
Forester
20-15 +5 73.8 73.1% 1.13
Ukraine
Dmitry 'rAge' Bolotov
rAge
15-16 -1 65.3 76.9% 1.00
Russia
Svyatoslav 'svyat' Dovbakh
svyat
14-18 -4 64.3 76.9% 0.91
Top player in match
Head to head
0
Wins
0
Overtimes
0
Wins
Hellraisers +1.5 free win
2020-05-21 13:23
Easy 3,9x on hellraisers.
2020-05-21 23:57
#3
 | 
Sweden quacke 
who the fuck is THRONE and where the fuck is svyat (blyat)
2020-05-22 00:02
JIaYm and svyat should be playing. THRONE have been a standin for two games recently for whatever reason and crush play ESEA for HR. However if THRONES IS actually playing, ohboyohboy, we talking money to be made here boi.
2020-05-22 00:17
#5
 | 
Sweden quacke 
There's good potential, not like svyat is their strongest performer anyways. I haven't seen enough of this new HR roster to be convinced enough to bet. But yeah, you've got a great opportunity!
2020-05-22 01:44
Yeah, new HR ain't the best atm but HL ain't fucking gods either, I feel like there is good value on HR here and on their previous games with full lineup. And if they lose this ez 3x odds vs the next tier3 team like HL, eventually ez monies)))
2020-05-22 11:09
#10
 | 
Sweden quacke 
Damn bro, I think the page just updates, HL have their full lineup and HR don't have crush anymore, I'd be scared.
2020-05-22 11:59
Ah,yes! El classico of 322 😉
2020-05-22 04:16
Easiest 2-0 for HL in my life
2020-05-22 07:45
#17
 | 
Denmark ChirosK 
Dude.. You know Hard Legion is one of the most random teams ever..
2020-05-22 17:18
Very ez
2020-05-22 18:52
Very ez rip
2020-05-22 19:28
#105
 | 
Denmark ChirosK 
Well..
2020-05-22 19:28
fake lineup lmao
2020-05-22 07:59
#11
 | 
China Yao_Ming 
so easy 4 hr
2020-05-22 16:12
this odds hahahhhaah ez HR
2020-05-22 16:16
The lineup is correct for HL ?
2020-05-22 16:40
#14
 | 
Kazakhstan Mendeleev007 
GO GO HARD LEGION
2020-05-22 17:02
#15
 | 
Georgia Domaci13 
First map -3.5 HL
2020-05-22 17:07
ez
2020-05-22 18:19
#16
NiKo | 
Namibia djstronk 
JR gonna carry this HR on game 1 then lose map 2 and 3
2020-05-22 17:13
lost 2v1 and 5v2 post plant OMEGALUL
2020-05-22 17:20
#19
 | 
Russia p1ng3rrinh0 
so rigged
2020-05-22 17:21
HL are dumb af how could u lose so much stupid rounds
2020-05-22 17:34
#21
NiKo | 
Namibia djstronk 
over 26.5
2020-05-22 17:36
#23
 | 
Kazakhstan Mendeleev007 
PODSTAVNOI MATCH
2020-05-22 17:47
expected throw for 3.5~ odds fucking russian shits
2020-05-22 17:47
Losing a map to HR shahahshshshshshahhaahahahahahhahahahahshahahahahahsh
2020-05-22 17:49
#26
 | 
Germany zwet 
3 vs 1....
2020-05-22 17:51
#27
 | 
Hong Kong RiggedCS 
SECTOR: MOSTBET Season 3 never disappoint
2020-05-22 17:51
Greatest 1v3 postplant.
2020-05-22 17:51
HR giving more fights to HL compare to Navi lol
2020-05-22 17:51
hl win against navi right?
2020-05-22 17:52
5 vs 3 xd
2020-05-22 17:55
i hate that im not betting on this match, bye 3.xx odds :(
2020-05-22 18:01
#33
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Cyprus 760061 
hahaha i knew it was too good to be true, trash bots cant win from 14-8 kys hr
2020-05-22 18:06
pochemu ni 1 sng ebanaya loho-komanda nikogda ne mojet zakonchit igru? pochemu vsegda otdaut dopi i td sozdaut sebe problem , ebanie dolboebi nulevie
2020-05-22 18:07
#35
 | 
Portugal dascouves 
AHAHAHAHAHAH 2 4vs2 in the last 5 rounds to take it to overtime, what a joke LMFAO
2020-05-22 18:07
ebat bomji
2020-05-22 18:07
No way
2020-05-22 18:08
14 8
2020-05-22 18:09
Chto za dauni na HR
2020-05-22 18:09
lmao thats HR I know, braindead garbage
2020-05-22 18:09
#41
 | 
Poland mimson333 
14;8 --> 15:19
2020-05-22 18:11
Yes, its a trash roster. Useless players in cia region
2020-05-22 18:12
#43
 | 
Cyprus 760061 
ahahahfdhadhdahahdahadhdahdafhahahaha kalinka quit cs please u have zero brain zero aim
2020-05-22 18:12
14-8 15-19 BRUH
2020-05-22 18:15
Wow
2020-05-22 18:15
bruh
2020-05-22 18:16
unreal trash
2020-05-22 18:16
10-15 19-15 Wow
2020-05-22 18:16
I hope you didn't have +3.5. I feel for you. I had Winstrike lose the same way with +3.5 in OT, rare, but it happens.
2020-05-22 18:19
No I have HL 2-0. I turned it off when it was 15-10
2020-05-22 18:40
Turn it back on you are gonna win. I need -3.5 map 2
2020-05-22 18:47
Faking line ups almost not helped so HR was redy to help
2020-05-22 18:16
Disband this roster, please Its a fucking trash Players havent brain
2020-05-22 18:17
Got the over in map 1, it got scary, but managed to win. Hard Legion -3.5 -130 map2 on train.
2020-05-22 18:17
#53
 | 
Germany ConAction 
+3.5 lost the third time today xdddddddd first winstrike vs heroic then nordavind vs heroic and then Hellraisers vs Hard Legion hahahahahah I was always the guy with the most badluck ever but this is next level xd
2020-05-22 18:19
#56
mantuu | 
Other jaietxe 
wow, thats hard. sorry mate
2020-05-22 18:19
Terrible luck man, I was with you on the Winstrike. I am glad they played while I was sleeping, can't bare to watch the +3.5 drop in OT.
2020-05-22 18:21
#64
 | 
Germany ConAction 
exactly man
2020-05-22 18:22
#78
 | 
Portugal dascouves 
That's actually really unlucky wtf
2020-05-22 18:46
What were the odds when HR were 10-15?!
2020-05-22 18:19
i bet when it was 14-9 and it was like 1.75 for hl
2020-05-22 18:23
What? Only 1.75?
2020-05-22 18:39
thats for the whole series, not vertigo only
2020-05-22 18:45
Gj trash, that's what I was expecting, disband asap matchfixing garbage How Valve dont care about that shit?
2020-05-22 18:19
#61
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Canada Cashner 
Bet lost. Must be a fix right ?
2020-05-22 18:21
Bet? fuck me if I bet on this trash, they are on a blacklist for like forever now, this trash always throws Dunno how can u even consider betting on this garbage
2020-05-22 18:23
#69
 | 
Canada Cashner 
Fair enough. The swings are crazy for sure
2020-05-22 18:28
#59
 | 
Russia p1ng3rrinh0 
HAHAHAHAHHAHA CAN’T BE MORE RIGGED JESUS
2020-05-22 18:20
#60
 | 
Canada Cashner 
So harrrrrd
2020-05-22 18:20
Disband Disband Disband Disband Disband Disband
2020-05-22 18:21
Alright then HR
2020-05-22 18:23
#68
NiKo | 
Namibia djstronk 
map pick lose
2020-05-22 18:25
#70
NiKo | 
Namibia djstronk 
1-1
2020-05-22 18:29
Hr will win train for sure
2020-05-22 18:31
rAge planted the bomb (3on1) Krad killed JIaYm with deagle (headshot) Krad killed kalinka with deagle (headshot) kalinka killed svyat with m4a1_silencer (headshot) Krad killed Flarich with deagle (headshot) svyat + Forester (assist) killed ProbLeM with p250 (headshot) ProbLeM killed Forester with mp9 (headshot) this team XXDD
2020-05-22 18:33
Lmao gl to those who think HR gonna win Train, they are disabled brainless fuckers Train 16-8 for HL no sweat, watch Or maybe even less than 8 rounds for HR, not more thats for sure
2020-05-22 18:35
Hello, mostbet is here.
2020-05-22 19:39
Hahahahaha lmao I cant fucking believe it, this shit is rigged outta this world men, this is ridiculous Absolutely dead game
2020-05-22 20:59
wtf is this team haha
2020-05-22 18:41
#80
 | 
Ukraine Wesago 
13-2 train on CT side omegaluuulorookofl
2020-05-22 18:49
you cant be so fvcking bad
2020-05-22 18:57
Disband this fuckers after this match
2020-05-22 18:58
#84
 | 
Portugal dascouves 
long pause hopefully hard legion are about to throw
2020-05-22 18:59
#102
 | 
Portugal dascouves 
E X P E C T E D
2020-05-22 19:28
Don't you do this to me HL! Better team and better side, close this shit out.
2020-05-22 19:06
Expected hahahaha hr wins train
2020-05-22 19:08
Matchfix is real
2020-05-22 19:11
0 ct rounds bruhh
2020-05-22 19:12
Ahahhaha idiots HL nice ct side bots
2020-05-22 19:13
So many orange skulls on train, wtf is going on?
2020-05-22 19:13
live betting my friend
2020-05-22 19:16
#92
NiKo | 
Namibia djstronk 
12-12 to 16-13 for HR
2020-05-22 19:15
11-4 ct side losing against bot hellraisers
2020-05-22 19:18
lmao wtf is that
2020-05-22 19:19
#96
 | 
Australia Reimaku 
16-14 for HL
2020-05-22 19:21
score was 12-12 and odds was 1.2 on HL :))))) nice scenario directed by Spielberg
2020-05-22 19:22
Cause hr will lose this ez, its stupid team
2020-05-22 19:22
14-14 4v2 ok
2020-05-22 19:26
ez)))0000 btw after 11-4 half was 15 odds on HR
2020-05-22 19:27
Botshard
2020-05-22 19:27
#103
 | 
Portugal DrahLAN 
HardLegion never disapoints
2020-05-22 19:28
damn 12 odds after first half
2020-05-22 19:29
Miserable bad beat there up 11-4 after T side. Worst CT sided train match ever by both teams.
2020-05-22 19:31
Hellbots have lost 4 all 4 maps on train, hard fuxking shit legion 89 % win. 11-4 half very good, the rest is match fixing story. Losing 12 rounds to bots on ct, NOT REAL
2020-05-22 19:32
Did anyone take +10 odds? Took x5 when it was like 11-9
2020-05-22 19:34
#110
NiKo | 
Namibia djstronk 
HR to win map 3???
2020-05-22 19:34
very likely
2020-05-22 19:35
#112
 | 
Denmark ChirosK 
Bettors should've been warned by the Ago and Tricked game.
2020-05-22 19:36
#114
 | 
Brazil Gildocsg0 
11-4 16-14 wow
2020-05-22 19:39
Best tips for this two trash teams +24.5 Hr +6.5
2020-05-22 19:39
#116
 | 
Korea s2angels 
let's 16-0 bois
2020-05-22 19:50
everyone knows 2nd map was throw for food
2020-05-22 19:51
HR won Mirage vs Secret, who are decent on it, but now losing without a chance(
2020-05-22 19:52
pause on train half to maxbet against urself and then rape on 3rd map
2020-05-22 19:53
#120
 | 
Korea s2angels 
throw inc
2020-05-22 20:00
10-0 get pause and 10-5 maybe hardlegion will lose ???
2020-05-22 20:02
#122
 | 
Korea s2angels 
10-0 lost 5 consecutive roudns then 11-16?
2020-05-22 20:02
#123
 | 
Korea s2angels 
extracly score like previous map,will be 16-14 again or not?
2020-05-22 20:05
Hr gonna win this map like train
2020-05-22 20:08
#125
 | 
Korea s2angels 
end it please why you fucking throw again
2020-05-22 20:19
Choke coming from 6-14 boysssss
2020-05-22 20:19
#127
 | 
Korea s2angels 
rip my under 26.5 bet again nice ,fucking nice
2020-05-22 20:20
#128
 | 
Germany So_Dumm 
shady team, always throw handicaps and totals, dunno what u were thinking
2020-05-22 20:21
unrip
2020-05-22 20:25
#130
 | 
Korea s2angels 
hehe i think they will throw it again lul
2020-05-22 20:26
Why HR have this disgusting flag? Latvia, Ukraine and Lithuania are not CIS. Only 2 russian players may be counted as CIS. And CIS is 404 not existent anymore. Admins? Mods?
2020-05-22 20:31
Because it represents the region that is post-soviet and speaks Russian
2020-05-23 02:33
But Latvia, Lithuania and Ukraine are in European region.
2020-05-23 07:23
Very funny All those countries (especially Ukraine) are Russian-speaking (the Baltic ones are not anymore, but they still have plenty of Russian-speaking players) UPD: Latvia and Lithuania don't count as CIS on HLTV, they have this flag because of 3 CIS players (from Russia and Ukraine)
2020-05-23 13:57
We are talking about regions, not about languages. Baltic countries are NOT Russian-speaking. For sure some people speak Russian there, but there are 6 millions Russians in Germany, does it make Germany CIS Russian region or what? It is pure none-sense... Ukraine, Baltic countries = European region and they must be under European flag. Proof: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_In.. (Try to find Ukraine or Baltic countries in this list of CIS countries if you can) So only 2 CIS (Russian) players and 3 European = they must use European flag.
2020-05-23 14:00
Baltic countries are already counted as European, but Ukraine used to be a member of CIS, and almost all Ukrainian players play on Russian-speaking teams A CIS country and an European country are not mutually exclusive concepts
2020-05-23 14:00
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_In.. Try to find Ukraine there and then we can talk. Ukraine is by fact European country (geographically). We are not in European Union yet, yes. But it doesn't make us CIS also. EU flag must be used here...
2020-05-23 14:02
2020-05-23 14:03
"Ukraine ended its participation in CIS statutory bodies on 19 May 2018.[6]" ????????
2020-05-23 14:04
Anyway, it has still connection with CIS (not politically, but historically, read #142)
2020-05-23 14:07
Read #144, and please, do it slowly... With thinking. :)
2020-05-23 14:08
CIS is not considered as a political union here on HLTV, just like EU doesn't mean European Union here (Serbia is not in EU, but they still have the EU flag), it represents the post-soviet region that speaks the same language and players of those countries mostly play on the same teams
2020-05-23 14:06
> CIS is not political term here. Ok. Then we are using GEOGRAPHY here (like HLTV usually does). And Geographically Ukraine is Eastern Europe... :) Language doesn't matter here at all... Europeans are not speaking 1 language also, so they are not Europeans?
2020-05-23 14:09
yes, if we consider geography, all our countries are post-soviet, and why wouldn't we have a separate region?
2020-05-23 14:09
Why are you talking about Soviet Union? It is not existent anymore. Ukraine is Eastern Europe by its geography... Why should we be considered as CIS???????? We are not CIS (both geographically and politically!)
2020-05-23 14:10
because all the countries that are considered as CIS share mutual history, all of them speak Russian language, and all of them play mostly together on same teams, so it does make sense to make it a separate region
2020-05-23 14:12
What are you talking about? We have different cultures and different history. Ukraine and Russia are two different countries.
2020-05-23 14:13
I am not saying the same, but they are very alike, and you were the same country with Russia for a big part of your history, so...
2020-05-23 14:15
> and you were the same country with Russia for a big part of your history So what does it change now? Do we need to use USSR flag then, considering your logic or what? Ukraine is by fact Eastern European country (geographically), and Ukraine is not a part of CIS as both (geographically / politically).
2020-05-23 14:17
by the same country I meant not only USSR, but the history since 1654 to 1991, and also in times of Rus' before Ukraine became a part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania so it is silly to deny the fact that you and Russians are completely different
2020-05-23 14:19
Rus' = current territory of Ukraine, it has nothing to do with Russia. Moscovia occupied Rus' (current Ukraine) in the past, yes, but what does it change?
2020-05-23 14:21
>Rus' = current territory of Ukraine, it has nothing to do with Russia Moscovia occupied Rus' (current Ukraine) in the past, yes, but what does it change? ah, here we go once again... Another pointless historical debate which I am completely ready for, but I don't think it makes sense to begin it, even though I've learnt it really deeply, and have plenty of historical facts, but... You will just keep denying all of that
2020-05-23 14:24
If you will say the truth, I will not deny anything. But I already feel that all these "facts" were taken from pro-Russian resource with its fake "facts". So it is funny that you're predicting me to deny that even before the discussion... :)
2020-05-23 14:26
"pro-Russian resources" it is official history that is accepted in the whole world here you go, wikipedia is your best friend upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d..
2020-05-23 14:28
Wiki-pedia is one of the worst resources if you wanna prove something. Wiki-pedia has too big influence from Russia and many Russian admins + There are too many articles in Wiki-pedia, so admins cannot change fake ones in time... :) I'm not saying that we cannot use WIki at all, but it is bad at this case.
2020-05-23 14:29
ok, just google "map of Rus' 9th century" and you will see the same map that includes territories of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus
2020-05-23 14:31
Ok, and you try to google "karta Giyoma de Boplana" and check it.
2020-05-23 14:32
I am talking about Rus' and about 9th century, not the 17th century...
2020-05-23 14:34
2020-05-23 14:35
Moscow is in the blue area...
2020-05-23 14:37
Does it deny the occupation of Rus' (Kiev) by Moscovia?
2020-05-23 14:39
first of all, it proves my point that Russian Federation is an successor of Rus' (which you tried to deny) secondly, Kiev was occupied by the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and then Bogdan Khmelnitskiy wrote a letter to the Russian tzar where he asked him for help, so Ukraine free willingly joined Russia in 1654, it doesn't seem as an occupation to me
2020-05-23 14:46
ok, then if we use your logic, which flag should Russia have? we are both an European both an Asian country
2020-05-23 14:10
Since half of Russia is Eastern Europe and other halfi s Asia, then both flags can be used. But Ukraine has NOTHING with Asia AT ALL! :) Listen, it is not my business which flag should HLTV use for Russia, but Ukraine has NOTHING TO DO WITH CIS.
2020-05-23 14:12
>both flags can be used and how do you imagine that?
2020-05-23 14:13
Read 2nd part of #149
2020-05-23 14:13
I explained why the term CIS makes sense it is not a political site, most Ukrainian players don't mind using this flag
2020-05-23 14:17
Most people are smoking and drinking vodka. So they must be "right" while doing that? "The most of people" is not a good argument here. When we must find the truth and fairness.
2020-05-23 14:18
I haven't seen a single Ukrainian player who is bothered about having the CIS flag, nor have you (if you have, give me an example, please). I just can't understand why this flag triggers you so much
2020-05-23 14:21
> "I haven't seen a single Ukrainian player who is bothered about having the CIS flag, nor have you (if you have, give me an example, please)." I already said that this is bad argument, read #157 one more time please. > "I just can't understand why this flag triggers you so much" Because it is incorrect (?) :o
2020-05-23 14:22
it is because most Ukrainian players play much more with Russians and other post-soviet countries players on one team, but not with Europeans, since we all have one international language
2020-05-23 14:26
It doesn't mean that we should use incorrect flag and think that it is "okay".
2020-05-23 14:26
I understand that if we talk about geopolitical term, it has been incorrect since 2018 but since most Ukrainian pros don't mind and even want it, then why not?
2020-05-23 14:30
As I said, the most of Ukrainian pros can smoke weed and f*ck sluts with aids 24/7. Does it make them right? Or does it change the fact that such living style is bad, according to World's standards?
2020-05-23 14:31
if they have the EU flag, it will be much harder for them to quialify for most tournaments, that is the reason they want to keep it
2020-05-23 14:32
Don't worry about us, I think it is better for our players to play in EU than to play in weaker CIS region. Better competition = better quality of practice = more chances to improve. :) So we gonna stick with EU, and without CIS flag I hope.
2020-05-23 14:34
if they feel better playing under CIS flag and playing together with Russians, Belarusians, Kazakhs and other Russian-speaking people, they have the right to do it
2020-05-23 14:36
If they feel better play with Russians, speak Russian and be under Russian flag. Then they must immigrate to Russia... (?) By all facts, CIS flag is incorrect here and I already explained it to you. So there is no need to discuss it anymore I guess.. :)
2020-05-23 14:37
>If they feel better play with Russians not only with Russians, but also with other Russian-speaking people >speak Russian Yes, it is an international language, and RF is not its owner, I doubt that for example I can find a team if I only spoke my native language :D >be under Russian flag once again, not Russian, but a flag that connects all of us (in this case it turned out to be the CIS flag) >Then they must immigrate to Russia so do all Ukrainians have to move to Russia, using your logic?
2020-05-23 14:42
Sorry, I wanna drink a cap of tea. I will answer you a little bit later. But you can just read all my posts above, they are good answer to this post of yours.
2020-05-23 14:50
priyatnogo chayepitiya
2020-05-23 14:50
spasibo
2020-05-23 14:51
by the way, I think we could continue the talk in Discord if you don't mind, since it will be much more convenient, plus I always wanted to have a talk with an Ukrainian nationalist (you seem to be one)
2020-05-23 14:55
I already had a long discussion in TeamSpeak 3 with your countryman from this website. It is useless. We still talk about the same things, and he agreed with me, but just partly. So I don't see any reason to speak in Discord.
2020-05-23 15:09
I will quote your points and answer: > "not only with Russians, but also with other Russian-speaking people" So what? Ukraine belongs to Eastern Europe and people speak English there if they need to communicate. We learn English in Ukraine way more willingly, than russians > "Yes, it is an international language, and RF is not its owner, I doubt that for example I can find a team if I only spoke my native language :D" See my previous answer. If you are denying speaking international language and wanna speak only Russian, then move to Russia and don't bother Ukraine + don't stop our development. > "once again, not Russian, but a flag that connects all of us (in this case it turned out to be the CIS flag)" I already explained to you with facts, that Ukraine has nothing to do with CIS as both (politically and geographically). So there is no need of using incorrect flag, we should use European one since Ukraine is Eastern European country. I don't know what should Russia do, it is your business, I just answer about Ukraine. > "so do all Ukrainians have to move to Russia, using your logic?" If you are denying Ukraine, Ukrainian law, the fact that Ukraine is European country, then YES, you better immigrate or stay polite. All people who are against European integration are mostly pro-Russian, so they just need to move to Russia instead of trying to help Russia with its annexation of Ukrainian lands and killing of Ukrainian people.
2020-05-23 15:16
#185
2020-05-23 15:36
I already answered on this. TL;DR I already had such discussions, it is pointless. We can speak about such things here.
2020-05-23 15:38
At least we can clear out some points for each other
2020-05-23 15:39
I'm too confident in my position. Probably because it is based on some simple and fundamental things. So... I find it pointless to speak about the same things, but in Discord or TS3.
2020-05-23 15:40
So you can clear something out for me then
2020-05-23 15:42
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