xelos: "ESL ban is embarrassing"

13-3-2013 23:01

WRTT member Jerry "xelos" Råberg has issued a statement to react to the ban handed by the Electronic Sports League.

Earlier on Wednesday, the Swedish player was banned from all ESL competitions for a period of two years after the league's anti-cheat team concluded that he had cheated for Epsilon during the grand final of the first EMS One cup, against n!faculty.

No action was taken against the other four Epsilon players, but the Swedish team were automatically disqualified from the current EMS One season and the $800 they had won from the first two cups went to other teams.

Råberg, who recently created a new team after being released by Epsilon, has now claimed that he did not cheat against the German side and lashed out at the ESL for banning him without proof.

"I am not just going to sit here and defend myself when I know I am not cheating, because it will not do anything," he told fragbite.se.

"I personally think that it is a bit embarrassing that the ESL, who has spent over €500,000 on its anti-cheating tool, thinks that I cheated when that software found nothing.

"Instead, they had an anti-cheating team go through my demos against n!faculty and they say one month after the match that I cheated, but without showing any proof.

"I have nothing else to say, I will not comment on this anymore. I will continue to play for WRTT and we will go to Copenhagen Games and NLAN. See you there!"

ESL is a joke.. GL on Cph!!

2013-03-13 23:02

1 reply

2013-03-14 11:47

and so it begins....

2013-03-13 23:03

huehuehuehuehauehue

2013-03-13 23:03

lol nub

2013-03-13 23:03

tough guy

2013-03-13 23:03

xelos sue ESL

2013-03-13 23:04

Class :) GL @CPH

2013-03-13 23:06

He is just telling the truth :) will prove you all haters at cph

2013-03-13 23:04

11 replies

these game will end lan only anyway... inet can be made only with trusty teams

2013-03-14 02:00

6 replies

what he said.

2013-03-14 02:56

3 replies

Can you translate that for me?

2013-03-14 06:48

1 reply

try google translate.. think hes speaking german

2013-03-14 07:12

I think he said that the game is only for LAN Internet matches is possible only with trusted teams

2013-03-14 08:25

2013-03-14 09:03

1 reply

-1 for you

2013-03-27 00:04

even if he plays well at lan, doesn't mean he didn't cheat online

2013-03-14 14:50

3 replies

even if ESL banned him, doesn't mean he cheats. It's just ESL's great "anti-cheat team" decision, but so far no proof that he cheated in GO

2013-03-14 15:00

2 replies

Why isn't the AC team any good? Can you prove it? :3

2013-03-14 21:31

1 reply

Watch the demos, things can be suspicious but nothing you ban for

2013-03-14 21:56

"when that software found nothing" How does he know that?

2013-03-13 23:04

29 replies

well he found out through admins and the fact that admins had to go through his demos, if there was something in his logs they wouldve banned him instantly...

2013-03-13 23:06

if they had found something they probably would have mentioned it, since that would have made this shit crystal clear

2013-03-13 23:06

8 replies

Since ESL started using Wire (3 years ago?) they have never said what hacks/exploits the cheaters used when announcing the bans. Example: hltv.org/news/6737-esl-sure-of-ham-cheat hltv.org/news/7547-esl-bans-zaider-cosmo..

2013-03-13 23:17

7 replies

theres a difference in the description of the barrage if you got the barrage because of wire it says "bypassing of wire anti cheat" for example esl.eu/eu/player/1595375/ but if you got it as xelos because of the tt it just says "cheating - demo"

2013-03-13 23:30

Wire is shit...

2013-03-13 23:30

but now he got banned for the demo(i think) right? i aswel as others have watched the demo and atleast i can say that it's not banable, but suspicious things sometimes (happens to all)

2013-03-13 23:33

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yep he got banned for the demo

2013-03-14 00:17

My friend "FORET" cheats on ESL everyday and he never gets ban. It's just a matter of someone getting your demo, watching it with ESP/wh, and they can tell if you're cheating or not(or if you're just random)

2013-03-14 01:49

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You're a cool guy.

2013-03-15 07:21

It was pretty clear in their statement that they didn't rely on the anti cheat to find the cheats. Often anti cheats rely on what is in their database and what cheats are around, from what I know it was a new cheat discovered but not on ESL Wire but infact through demo watching.

2013-03-14 03:32

He has an inside man

2013-03-13 23:06

prolly just dribbling around like a little kid

2013-03-13 23:14

And yet, after careful consideration, our anti-cheat team unanimously came to the conclusion that the Epsilon player Jerry 'xelos' Råberg cheated in said match.

2013-03-13 23:15

10 replies

That doesn't mean that their anti-cheat didn't catch anything :) They just never claim that which I consider the right thing to do from their side ;)

2013-03-13 23:24

9 replies

their anti-cheat tool didnt find anything. "our anti-cheat team unanimously came to the conclusion..." thats what this sentence was for einstein. and btw xelos has the benefit of the doubt. why do you think valve never bans anyone before they have actual VAC proof that someone 100% cheated? because everything else wouldnt hold up in a court of law.

2013-03-14 00:43

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This is the same standard the ESL's anti-cheat team holds itself to. Such a decision is only made if there is no doubt that it would withstand a court case - especially in the professional leagues where prize money is involved. The question isn't whether a player used cheats or not, but if it is actually possible to prove that beyond any doubt. Otherwise, in dubio pro reo applies.

2013-03-14 01:29

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The question isn't whether a player used cheats or not, but if it is actually possible to prove that beyond any doubt. What? Of course it is possible to prove that somebody cheated without any doubt. When VAC detects cheat.exe and it is a known cheater program then we've already established without any doubt that he cheated. But ESL Wire doesnt and will never detect all cheats. Online was shit back in the day, is shit now and will always be shit as long as there's the possibility to cheat. Not only is it a possibility, by now its a well known fact by pretty much everybody. You can go to this site, pay a few bucks and you're good to go. Unlimited hacks without detection. Fuck online. Go LAN.

2013-03-14 01:37

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Sorry, you misunderstood me: Our anti-cheat team isn't deciding if a player cheated or not, but if it is actually possible to prove beyond any doubt that he used cheats. Only then, a player is actually ruled guilty.

2013-03-14 01:42

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some years ago i got banned by the ACT without cheating too. "beyond any doubt", meh...

2013-03-14 02:22

Your lack of knowledge about network protocols kills your argument, though I fully agree with your point. Fuck online, go LAN! Especially when you're from Sweden/Denmark there's no excuse because they have events with on-site qualifications, unlike most of the other top tournaments which are invite-based.

2013-03-14 20:53

again, "our anti-cheat team unanimously came to the conclusion..." DOES NOT state in any way that the software did not detect anything.

2013-03-14 20:50

why they would mention all their team's opinions, but not the anti-cheat proof? completely non-sense.

2013-03-14 17:07

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It's not non-sense, it's a common practice employed by a lot of companies producing defensive software.

2013-03-14 20:45

Because organner isn't detected by ESL wire :D

2013-03-13 23:41

Because he did not cheat? How stupid are you? If he did not cheat, ofcource he KNOW that it did not find anything...

2013-03-14 03:48

2 replies

xelos, log in please

2013-03-14 08:01

1 reply

xelos, log out please

2013-03-14 15:50

He does not know that, but that is a pretty obvious statement to make when you try to prove yourself not quilty. Since anyone who was actually clean, could 100% say that.

2013-03-14 09:31

if there are no cheats, nothing can be found ^^

2013-03-14 09:50

Interesting.

2013-03-13 23:04

complaining about esl not showing proofs what a retard

2013-03-13 23:04

11 replies

where are they then? link?

2013-03-13 23:07

how does that make him a retard? guilty or not, he's right

2013-03-13 23:16

2 replies

If it would be reported by any other team outside Germany there wouldn't be any ban/repeated matches like it happened few times. That's how it work.

2013-03-13 23:34

organner bypasses pretty much any ac software.

2013-03-14 21:34

> complains about something with a very good reason > what a retard not following your logic here son

2013-03-13 23:24

5 replies

ESL don't need to provide any proofs and they definitely wouldn't ban without any proof. Over the past years ESL have never revealed anything concerning their bans, saying they don't want people to see what Wire actually does. He obviously was successful in making the not so bright people on HLTV believe ESL banned him because they didn't like him.

2013-03-13 23:34

4 replies

Thinking someone cheats by watching his demos is DEFINITELY not a proof. I don't believe ESL would've banned him if they weren't 100% sure tho.

2013-03-13 23:48

2 replies

then you dont know the ESL

2013-03-14 00:18

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well, many players said they were banned for no reason yet admitted later they did. So I'm not even gonna go into that kind of discussions :)

2013-03-14 17:45

#1 logic there, jesus

2013-03-14 10:28

Fair play to him, they didn't show proof but ESL probably don't want to get into an even more public debate whether he cheated or not. If anyone puts the demos on youtube I'd love to see them for myself.

2013-03-14 16:18

+1 xelos, ESL the big idiots.

2013-03-13 23:04

not a cheater, a just a beastly player. i believe in you Jerry!

2013-03-13 23:05

LOOOOOOL , HAHAHHAHAH

2013-03-13 23:05

He can only prove it on LAN, but I don't think they will mean anything on LAN ;p will see.

2013-03-13 23:06

6 replies

lan proves if he's a good player or not, doesn't prove that he played clean that match.

2013-03-13 23:09

5 replies

exactly! Colon proved to a great player, but that doesn't change the fact that he prlly cheated against Norway :)

2013-03-13 23:24

3 replies

yep.

2013-03-13 23:25

Doesn't change the fact that he may have NOT cheated either.

2013-03-16 02:28

1 reply

whatever dude :) it's a matter of opinion. I like Colon as a player, but that's just too fishy :)

2013-03-16 12:33

Yes, yes, you're right. He can only prove if he means anything.

2013-03-13 23:31

We'll see how he does at LAN.

2013-03-13 23:06

a good advice: beware of pasha at Copenhagen.

2013-03-13 23:06

20 replies

pasha isn't brainless as some of the people in these forums, who wants to beat people because of a computer game.

2013-03-13 23:08

19 replies

THANK YOU. The people in here, jeez...

2013-03-13 23:10

i'm kidding ofc but ppl like darion doesnt get the joke

2013-03-13 23:11

2 replies

Well, good to hear. Honestly it can be hard to distinguish at times, because some people are just that fanatical :)

2013-03-13 23:13

oh yeah, i forgot how funny it was the 10000th time.

2013-03-13 23:14

pasha couldnt give a fuck about him,never played against him

2013-03-13 23:12

12 replies

Yeah, I figured, but its more the line of thought that some people in these forums think that he might get beaten at LAN for cheating.

2013-03-13 23:14

6 replies

people have been beaten by a lot less.

2013-03-13 23:28

5 replies

Indeed, but that does not make it any less of a brainless way of thought.

2013-03-13 23:35

2 replies

that doesn't mean anything either. and I don't know about this specific case, but a lot of times teams and players lose money because of cheating. not to mention the respect and fair-play aspect of it.

2013-03-13 23:42

1 reply

Yes, but you never see any get beaten, as far as I know, the players are, luckily, not idiots. Bans from online tournaments is the only right way to go.

2013-03-13 23:55

I beat people for asking me directions (and a lot less)

2013-03-14 15:14

1 reply

Cool.

2013-03-14 15:22

wasnt he part of the wrtt lu which 16-0'ed esc at a qual?

2013-03-13 23:25

2 replies

dont know for sure but that was long ago,and jw was the guy that was cheating blatant there and esc werent the level they are now

2013-03-13 23:30

yes he was part of WRTT

2013-03-17 04:46

wasn't xelos in the WRTT lineup that beat ESC 16:0 in the Thor Open qualifier?

2013-03-14 12:11

1 reply

yes, also against NIP

2013-03-17 04:47

i agree but there's also money involved

2013-03-13 23:29

1 reply

Of course, but civilized people don't act on instinct and I don't believe we have ever seen a fight involving any top players ever, though big cash were involved.

2013-03-13 23:39

Just mount a Go Pro cam on the top of your headset everytime you play and problem solved.

2013-03-13 23:07

12 replies

You can still cheat. In example: sound cheats or little grey dot wh.

2013-03-13 23:17

11 replies

the grey dots would be seen on the screen ?

2013-03-13 23:32

10 replies

It will be even hard for people on lan to notice it.

2013-03-13 23:32

9 replies

Hard but possible especially when people are passing by and looking at your screen... Don't even get you people getting paranoid about Lan cheats wtf.

2013-03-13 23:35

8 replies

But what about sound cheat, you can't check it on lan. Cheaters gonna cheat.

2013-03-13 23:38

7 replies

true sound cheats yeah, you should need like a record on the sound card like audacity, sound forge... Or the anti cheat having a function like that to record the sound at the sound-card driver.

2013-03-13 23:42

what does the sound cheat do? If you can use it onlan, sounds pretty fucked up :|:|

2013-03-14 00:52

5 replies

the voice in your head tells you where the opponents are located atm

2013-03-14 08:05

4 replies

damn so how the hell do they prevent people from using it onlan ~_~

2013-03-14 08:37

3 replies

Blocked internet connection. Blocked removable drives. Blocked cd/dvd drive. So cheater can't put cheats on pc. I'm doing it like that when I'm the admin of the tournament.

2013-03-14 17:36

2 replies

That seems like the best way, eventhough players have to config their game without anyways to copy config files etc.. :D

2013-03-15 01:48

1 reply

Yes, and yes they need to learn it.

2013-03-15 10:49

Gangsta

2013-03-13 23:07

proof or he didn't cheat

2013-03-13 23:08

this like a dejavu really

2013-03-13 23:08

yeah expected words from the smelly cheater. cs:go needs to get rid of these guys (jesper, flusha, xelos,...). winning 16-12 against NiP players who get full salary, whose life the game is, won every lan tournament without losing a map and the 5 monkeys from WRTT, who werent seen before beating ESC and NiP in 1 day (ESC with 16-0 rofl). Well it sounds completely brainwashed for a third person, moreover so many people on hltv still believing they arent cheating which is fucking pathetic considering what ive just said. keep on defending 5 apes gg wp no re gl in future xelos

2013-03-13 23:10

11 replies

presumption of innocence - innocent until proven guilty

2013-03-13 23:29

8 replies

He was proven guilty.

2013-03-13 23:33

7 replies

without any proofs ? :D thats like dictatorship.

2013-03-13 23:41

How so? Proof and then I'll sit the fuck down.

2013-03-13 23:54

where is the proof?

2013-03-13 23:56

There are no proofs, he's been banned just because the admin team said so, it reminds me of communism, but then they at least created false evidence and beaten the crap of you to get the statement :D

2013-03-14 10:43

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The ESL admin team does not disclose its evidence publicly for a variety of reasons, one of the more obvious ones being to not educate other cheaters. Rest assured that xelos has full insight into what n!faculty accuses him of.

2013-03-14 12:23

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Well if you add the cheat to WIRE then there would be no worries about "educating other cheaters." And you said Xelos knows what n!faculty accuses him of, not of what he was convicted of. Have you even shown HIM the "proof?" I would very much like to see this proof. I am not a Xelos fan but you're asking me to take your word over his. Here in the United States you are innocent until proven guilty.

2013-03-14 15:21

He was proven guilty by some group of people who decided that he was. I don't bite that, sorry.

2013-03-16 02:31

ESC cheaters they beat NiP yesterday!!!!!!

2013-03-14 12:43

1 reply

Lifetime ban incoming for taz and pasha, neo still under investigation, heard it here first!

2013-03-14 15:18

intresting plunderbund.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/..

2013-03-13 23:08

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2013-03-13 23:09

hahaha!

2013-03-13 23:11

ESL nabs... you can't prove it!

2013-03-13 23:09

i hope they will win some on that LAN (top3-5 would be nice), everyone knows that ESL = 'pro-german' organisation, so strange ban 1 month after without single evidence/proof. GL XELOS, tho you got only 1 chance to show us that you are worthy to trust in, dont miss the train!

2013-03-13 23:09

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ESL = 'pro-german' organisation not tru

2013-03-13 23:27

hahahhaha

2013-03-13 23:10

XELOS GO HOME YOU ARE DRUNK !

2013-03-13 23:13

They always need so long to go through your demos since the anti cheat admins doing it more or less for fun or lets call it "free" and they're mostly amateurs. The ESL has been working always very untransparent.

2013-03-13 23:14

Banned because of demo, shame ESL Wire. They should at least show proof by video. You can see how they take care of their country teams.

2013-03-13 23:14

"..when that software found nothing." Yeah, cuz u obv cant cheat with WAC!! WAC must be 100% save. Oh wait... Only a cheater would say something like that :D. Bad AC software found nothing = no cheat. Oh wait ... hahahaha That guy...hahahahaha..can't stop laughing...

2013-03-13 23:15

6 replies

It's called VAC and why are you even talking about VAC? Every player must use ESL wire(ESL anticheat) when playing EMS

2013-03-13 23:18

2 replies

Wire Anti Cheat. WAC. Im not talking about VAC. dafuq...

2013-03-13 23:20

1 reply

Haha lol, thought you were misspelling VAC, my mistake.

2013-03-13 23:22

No... Cheat or not, he would probably have said the exact same thing. He knows that an AC program can't be perfect, but of course he questions the decision when nothing concrete was found.

2013-03-14 06:45

but there is no still actual proof that shows that he cheats :( Would like to see an article from this "anticheat team" that why and how did he cheated.

2013-03-14 07:49

He isn't saying that if ESL Wire did not detect anything, that means he is legit. He is saying that you need to have solid proofs to ban someone and this would be provided by a cheat detection by Wire. I'm on his side with this. Maybe he cheats, maybe not. But at least have some proofs before banning him. Until they show a video or pinpoint exactly the suspicious acts, he is innocent in my eyes.

2013-03-14 12:28

Cheater since the 1.6

2013-03-13 23:16

prove it in Cph! gl

2013-03-13 23:18

what about ESL proof? nothing again?

2013-03-13 23:20

He is perfect for WRTT :) cheaters stick together.

2013-03-13 23:21

1 reply

+10000000000000

2013-03-13 23:48

i dont know how many of you can call Xelos and WRTT cheaters when there's actually no coherent evidence for them hacking ESL, show us why you banned him? Im not going to join the bandwagon of calling them cheaters without actually seeing evidence because hell, there isn't any and it is abit shady for me that n!f is a German org and maybe there was something behind the scenes and they favored the Germans because they're German and ESL is German.

2013-03-13 23:23

22 replies

It's self true. I have seen people with ESL BAN and then after going LAN and playing well they got unbanned. He has the opportunity to prove hisself at LAN and change everyones opinion.

2013-03-13 23:26

6 replies

lol any examples?

2013-03-14 00:10

1 reply

apEX from LDLC

2013-03-14 02:23

Well Since xelos for a fact does not cheat he shouldnt have been banned in the first place. Well as you said alot of people has been unbanned before due to playing well on lan tournaments. But xelos should have never been banned in the first place.

2013-03-14 11:50

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I think he cheats as some of his past teammates. The kick from Epsilon also comes to hide the poor performance that Epsilon will show at CPH. The point is that WIRE DIDNT DETECT him and if someone believes it...he is a really retard. That anticheat is bypassed in many ways. He just got TTed by nfaculty which has a good influence into german scene (including managers) and they just banned him with admins POVS of demos (admins who casually have 0 idea of the game). He has the chance to proof hisself at.CPH but will be hard since he will have to do VERY WELL in an important event, not a shitty swedish one.

2013-03-14 12:43

2 replies

Yeah this is the problem with ESL, it's so biased towards German teams it's silly.

2013-03-14 15:51

1 reply

Ye.

2013-03-14 17:07

Yes good luck on busting the new aimbot that's going around. You have around 0.1% success busting it with a demo. Or less chance maybe? WMB can answer you on that question, YOU CANT FIND THE AIMBOT on demos(in-eye demos) anymore! You have a small chance on detecting it via HLTV demos, the chance is still pretty slim.. The anti-cheat community needs to have a word with Valve if this continues. The current "paid" hacks, is so cleaver that it won't be detected even by ESL-WIRE anti-cheat. While ESL-Wire anti-cheat goes through the kernel by adding itself as a driver, there's still room for bypassing it. If you want a cheat free game, you better pray that the streaming technology gets so good, that you have almost 0 input latency while streaming a FPS game. Then It's impossible to "cheat / hack" because the game is on the server itself while your streaming it. It would be nearly impossible to get yourself "wallhack" and even IMPOSSIBLE to use "aimbot" on these types of games. So you have two options, and hope that it will arrive in the near future. A) Streaming of FPS games (near 0 input letency + no lag while playing). B) Hardware Anti-Cheat (Could still be bypassed, but highly unlikely). On the A) option, you would have to "hack" the server that's streaming your game in order to "cheat". As I would love that option, it seems so many years away, because the technology needs to improve so does your internet connection. TCP/UDP is too slow on this matter, and you will most likely to see new internet protocols for better streaming / high bandwidth usage. Which will be nice for your ping as well :)

2013-03-13 23:39

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If you cant bust an aimbot or tell when someone is cheating from demo's gameplay, what are you arguing about then? How is it possible to tell if someone is cheating if there is no evidence from their point of view, and you can't ban players from assumptions that they're aimbotting when there is no evidence, sad truth. Sure, I agree with you, there need to be changed to the game, major changes.

2013-03-13 23:46

B) Hardware Anti-Cheat haha

2013-03-14 00:17

10 replies

What is so funny about that ?

2013-03-14 00:48

8 replies

Its software :D

2013-03-14 04:09

2 replies

You sir are retarded.

2013-03-14 15:53

1 reply

You sir sound like you have no clue about neither of them

2013-03-14 21:02

so we would have to buy an external Anti-Cheat hardware?

2013-03-15 00:29

4 replies

I think he wanted to say something about an anti-cheat that bans your hardware id, so you can't play on the pc ever again.

2013-03-15 12:21

3 replies

No, I was thinking of an hardware that have total control over scanning your PC 24/7 while playing. When I mean "total control" I mean more access than your Administrator user, more like System user.

2013-03-18 04:24

2 replies

Software not hardware.

2013-03-18 13:27

1 reply

Software is limited by the access your user has. Hardware is not

2013-03-19 22:40

2013-03-14 04:09

You must be kidding if you can't bust an aimbot

2013-03-14 02:28

1 reply

Normal aimbot sure you can bust. Good luck busting the paid aimbots with a good pre configured config.

2013-03-18 04:22

Nicely said. When they show some proof we'll se what's going on...

2013-03-13 23:28

XELOS WHY YOU KICK ME FROM GROUP :(((((((( haha

2013-03-13 23:28

It makes sense for them to NOT tell him how they caught him, no? Then he could fix that problem and cheat some more :D

2013-03-13 23:33

Prove youself at Copenhagen, simple as that!

2013-03-13 23:34

ok cheater

2013-03-13 23:34

I'm not fanboy of xelos or his team, but Esl should really release the "bustmovie" which made them ban xelos. Doesn't imo give out too professional image, if their evidence is so weak it can't even be released for community to see.

2013-03-13 23:36

1 reply

2013-03-14 12:03

shut up cheater, delete cs:go and go play League of Lehendas, noob.

2013-03-13 23:37

if theyre gonna ban someone they should atleast show the proof to the people who submitted the conflict and the team that player played for

2013-03-13 23:38

bring popcorns !! This will be long and interesting conversation :)

2013-03-13 23:38

It is the end either he likes it or not. Thats how Esl works, if someone does not like that he can choose another League-site. Nevertheless most of people expected that. They will never show to anyone the reason, it all comes to time table with exact time frames in this pov demo with explanations which are discussed in the AC anticheat team.

2013-03-13 23:40

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The point is that if let's say he didn't cheat, his reputation as a pro player is severely damaged for no reason. He got kicked out of his team and will always be known as "the first guy to be busted for cheating in cs:go" even if he is completely clean. Noone can give a compensation for that.

2013-03-16 02:42

any anticheat program is not perfect. so it's unfair saying that ESL anticheat must detect any cheat. Best anticheat - administrators . But i think they must proof/complain their decision. At least to a player (xelos in this case)

2013-03-13 23:40

feel u pain dawg

2013-03-13 23:43

1 reply

2013-03-14 01:39

stop denying faggot, the evidences in the boostmovie are obvious: youtube.com/watch?v=ucSrryuH_1I

2013-03-13 23:44

2 replies

I like the crosshair <3 :D

2013-03-14 00:07

sauce

2013-03-14 21:09

i played on VAC, WAC, EAC .... played against cheaters on all of security systems :=) cheaters everywhere :)

2013-03-13 23:45

Like the police says, guilty till you prove you're not!

2013-03-13 23:46

BROKE HIS FINGERS! He won't cheat after that.

2013-03-13 23:46

1 reply

Put an english dictionary in your mouth. Then you wont look like a retard after writing your comments on HLTV.org.

2013-03-16 02:46

Germans crying ( n! ) then ESL found nothing but still banned hahaha

2013-03-13 23:48

Tbh the ESL side lacks transparency. They should have the so called "expert team" say what hacks they suspect, even make a simple video compilating crucial moments that lead to the decision. Or some fan that thinks he did cheat go ahead and do it.

2013-03-13 23:52

Lol idiot, you guys went to lan to play matches and got stomped like 16-2

2013-03-13 23:53

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Or well they didnt, they won one of the EMS qualifiers on an internet café. So please get facts before you act all rambo up in here wannabe gangster brooklyn thug~

2013-03-14 12:05

too much shit in esl

2013-03-14 00:00

Rather Kafkaesque. And not the one where he turns into a cockroach.

2013-03-14 00:02

well yeah.. i would also like to see some proofs :/

2013-03-14 00:06

What i really hate at ESL is that they can ban you without handing any prove out.

2013-03-14 00:09

ESL=shit

2013-03-14 00:10

Worst anti-cheat WORLD

2013-03-14 00:15

yea esl ppl are fucking morons, I didn't really have any good moment with their competitions. morons

2013-03-14 00:17

ESL is a freaking joke and will forever be.

2013-03-14 00:38

hes a fucking embarrassment

2013-03-14 00:38

hahahahhahahahaha xelos hahahahahah

2013-03-14 00:38

some justice there huh? they ban a guy based on a feeling... nice

2013-03-14 01:01

ROFL HAHAHA i know how you feel bro. ESL^RIGGED.

2013-03-14 01:12

inb4 he and his team get absolutely rolled at CPH. ESL isn't an embarrassment just because their AC couldn't detect a cheat. Is it that hard to believe that people will attempt to cheat at a high level using sophisticated cheats? And if their AC doesn't detect anything but a conflict is being submitted by another team at the level of n!faculty, what other choice does ESL have but to have several admins investigate demos? You CANNOT always rely on anti-cheat software. You would be a fool to do so. And in my opinion if several admins came to the same conclusion that xelos was cheating then I am more than happy to accept human judgement when software was unable to ban him. People will always find ways around anti-cheat, regardless of skill level.

2013-03-14 01:29

2 replies

agreed

2013-03-14 06:14

>ESL isn't an embarrassment just because their AC couldn't detect a cheat No. They are an embarassment for not being able to show the proof that they banned him for after their decision has been questioned by the entire CS community.

2013-03-16 02:50

Denial

2013-03-14 01:33

fucking lort lox

2013-03-14 01:34

in before he does ok at lan and everyone says he wasnt cheating

2013-03-14 01:47

5 replies

he has to do REALLY REALLY ok to make that happen

2013-03-14 02:14

4 replies

even better than k1ck!

2013-03-14 03:45

3 replies

obviously

2013-03-14 03:46

2 replies

So it won't be hard

2013-03-14 07:35

1 reply

guess not :)

2013-03-14 07:37

i would really like to see one of these cases be taken to a court. Many cs communities fall into habits of banning based on reputations and the ideas that panel of admins held at the time. The guy may be a filthy hacker, but the evidence has to be undoubtedly guilty before a ban is put in place. Is the evidence here 100% unequivocal cheating?

2013-03-14 01:48

The league making a statement saying they can't provide proof because it would expose their client is all well and good. In this case however, it's the demo. They should have a least reviewed their concerns with the player in question to let him defend himself, then rule. After that, there should be a vid for the community to review on why they banned him. NFaculty could even come out and say why they reported him, but they won't, because of the gag order the league most likely imposed on them, and they probably don't care anyway. They got their money..

2013-03-14 02:10

2 replies

xelos had the opportunity to defend himself from n!faculty's accusations, and he has full insight into what he is accused of.

2013-03-14 14:49

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Last time I dealt with an ESL conflict you did not have that much to say, admins had their say and then it was done. But hey it was only EMS and eurocup.

2013-03-14 16:00

some years ago i got banned by the ACT without cheating too. so they obviously make mistakes.

2013-03-14 02:23

GG xelos! wp. sry, sry for insultes.

2013-03-14 03:31

It is fucking unbelievable how they can ban someone without proof. I highly doubt that they have any proof since they do not even show it to the player that are involved in this. Scandal.

2013-03-14 03:54

forum is on rage because there's no proof.

2013-03-14 04:32

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:D Who`s on rage, oh. Dear forum, please calm down, let`s take things easy. Thank you.

2013-03-14 04:41

XELOS, please have some respect & stop creating fake ids to defend yourself. Also stop telling your friends to comment for you :P

2013-03-14 04:44

a lot of people were banned the past days, caught because the anticheat found out they were using public/private csgo cheats. xelos was using a private csgo hack that has been on the esl radar for a while. 1. ESL bans are automated and decisions are not made based upon viewing a demo. 2. ESL doesn't provide any proof because this could give away how the anti-cheat works. 3. ESL bans players with a delay to make it hard for cheat developers to know if their cheats are being detected.

2013-03-14 05:05

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That sounds a bit too convincing to be true. :~

2013-03-14 05:07

"Being aware of our responsibility, we made sure to handle this case with utmost care and diligence. And yet, after careful consideration, our anti-cheat team unanimously came to the conclusion that the Epsilon player Jerry 'xelos' Råberg cheated in said match." Automated?

2013-03-14 06:57

2 replies

I'm telling you now, wire did detect private cheats but yea you could say semi-automated

2013-03-14 07:37

1 reply

your fucking dumb haha, if wire would have detected a cheat, then it would have been an instant ban. This is not the case.

2013-03-14 16:21

He wasn't banned by the anticheat. He was banned after an ESL admin team reviewed his demo and decided that he was cheating.

2013-03-16 02:55

I'm just wondering, what kind of proof does he need? And why he thinks that ESL must prove something... Anyway, he says "that software found nothing". Bullshit. He can not know this for sure. ESL never gives away information about hacks they find.

2013-03-14 05:32

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What if he didn't hack? How the AC was supposed to find something, if actually there was nothing to be found? Think out of the box, dude.

2013-03-14 07:40

5 replies

What if he did? You think ESL guys have simply lied? Out of what box, dude?

2013-03-14 07:45

4 replies

How could you tell they are not? They didn't show any proof. It's their word, against xelos' word. I'm not saying he didn't cheat, though. I just like the things to be fair.

2013-03-14 07:46

3 replies

OK now tell me what kind of proof do you need? AC logs? They would never give it away. There is always a reason for such a serious action. I really doubt they banned him just for fun.

2013-03-14 07:55

2 replies

+1 for being the only person using their common sense here :)

2013-03-14 12:16

Wire logs are something the teams can download so it's most likely nothing in them.

2013-03-14 16:03

His standpoint is ofc "I did not cheat" Thats why he will state that "software found nothing" Pretty straight forward

2013-03-14 09:28

You seem to have not much experience with ESL 1. His banned for that reason 12 Points Cheating ( Match ) - Cheating - Demo - www.esl.eu/eu/rehab/ 13.03.13 - 13.03.15 New Penalty Points Level - Cheating - Demo - www.esl.eu/eu/rehab/ 2. If wire did detected any not allowed software then it would have stated that. It wouldnt have been taken even 2 days to confirm that ban then. And not 1 month And since when have you to prove your are not guilty if the other side has nothing against you. Is that how russia works these days?

2013-03-14 09:52

2 replies

I'm not saying he has to prove he isn't guilty. He did his job. This is ESL's league, ESL's rules. They have right to ban player who they think cheats. Pretty straight forward.

2013-03-14 10:16

1 reply

And everyone has the right to question their decisions. Pretty straight forward.

2013-03-16 02:56

Seriously ESL is shit , i took a look at this .dem and there is nothing special except 2 hs trough smoke and u hear the ennemies run so easy . Nice to ruin the reputation of a player without proofs GG ESL TARDZ!

2013-03-14 05:40

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Lol, if you were looking for some crazy wallbangs,prefires and kills through the smokes ,then ofcourse you found nothing.There were a little things in his movement,crosshar placemant and the thing that he allways knew too much that were weird.... It wasnt convincing enough though,and I wouldnt ban somebody for that, but all what I am trying to say is that it is definitely suspicious.

2013-03-14 14:30

random game, random results.

2013-03-14 05:44

Only Germans said that he cheated. As Usual.

2013-03-14 05:56

Does it matter? He was pretty shit anyway. Willfail@lan

2013-03-14 06:51

It is difficult to detect when a guy is cheating. I used to cheat a lot. I know what i am saying. I used to be a pro cheater. None of the admins were able to catch me.

2013-03-14 06:52

let's see how ESL react to this.

2013-03-14 06:54

They won't react. because they consider that they are all-knowing and all-powerful and whoever doesn't like that can go away. I hate admins like that. Do a 5 minute video showing the rest of us what led you to the conclusion he was cheating, and then, after the community agrees with you, then you have started to combat cheating. Otherwise it's just a random show of force.

2013-03-14 07:08

People still dont know if THOR was right to ban WRTT for cheating and xelos was the most fishy of them all. Now ESL banning xelos.... 2 separate organisations banning the same guy... where theres smoke theres fire??

2013-03-14 07:19

yet more primal bug tangled in wire. GG Rot in piece

2013-03-14 07:35

I've watched his demos a few times and I fail to see where he cheated...So this seems to be yet another retarded move by ESL

2013-03-14 07:59

who has spent over €500,000 on its anti-cheating tool, thinks that I cheated when that software found nothing Well organners cheats do bypass esl wire so stfu hacker

2013-03-14 08:38

14 replies

finally someone who understands something

2013-03-14 10:52

then you have to pruv that he bought organer ;) Now shut up.

2013-03-14 17:40

12 replies

fanboy or friend ? shut it

2013-03-14 18:23

11 replies

hater or hater ? shut it

2013-03-14 18:24

6 replies

while(true) obv. im not alone

2013-03-14 18:32

5 replies

are you programmer ? Infinite loop u have used :P

2013-03-15 10:23

4 replies

Yeah, im studying computer science / programing :D

2013-03-15 12:00

3 replies

may I ask you in which language/technology ?

2013-03-16 06:21

2 replies

atm. Java, later C#

2013-03-16 08:39

1 reply

Cool

2013-03-16 08:42

because I pruved you that your statement is wrong with 1 sentence I'm not his friend either a fanboy, I'm just someone who use his brain. Do the same please.

2013-03-14 21:24

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You sure you're using yours ? "then you have to pruv that he bought organer" Pretty hard when the only evidence for buying cheats, is that he got an email with order confirmation. Which is easy to delete. Then there is his credit card overview for when he bought it and from whom. Pretty hard to hack that or at least get a look at it. So then we are back with another choice prove that he have used it. hmm pretty hard when organners software is known for "Our software has an unbeaten record of 0 VAC detections in 6 years of business operation, the best record in the industry." "ESL Wire Proof Dominate in ESL with this hack. The hack can be used safely with ESL WIRE." and not to mention that it is also ESEA client Proof. conclusion: Use your brain for once plz, the last thing people need is an imbecil like you to talk about who is or who is not cheating. How good was that one sentence if I might ask ?

2013-03-14 22:00

2 replies

So in the end you cannot pruv that he used hack? Got ya !

2013-03-15 07:43

1 reply

while(true) But it is pretty obv. and well over half of all the comments in this topic is people who agree with me

2013-03-15 08:12

I know that he, and his mates are cheating, BUT. Im 100% sure, that ESL dont have ANY PROOF. What I mean, you cant know, after watching a demo, if someone CHEATED! And I know that (im best example of this :)), that ESL bans for nothing, I mean, if they don't like you - they will ban you. I got banned on one of my accounts for cheating, but who knows better than me, if I cheated or not? I dont even had any cheat on my HDD back in days, but still got banned, 12pp, reason: cheating XD A lot of my IRL friends got banned, for example meTax, who was for so loooooong top1 awp @europe, he was playing vs some german who was top2, (I HAVE SEEN THIS MATCH, I WAS IN HIS HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!), he owned him, german guy made a support, metax got banned for cheating (as i told u, i have seen this match, he was playing while me and other friends were in his house xD), and he did not cheat, but ESL admins, especially the anti-cheat one are **** r****, they also cheat as fuck in all leagues, but ban other people, thats weird :D So: xelos is cheating, I know it, but neither I nor ESL have any proofs, SO HE SHOULD NOT BE BANNED! and u cant fucking say after watching demo (if its not obv. aimbot or obv wh ofc), if someone cheated. esl = shit

2013-03-14 09:32

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well what proof do you need? organner can bypass WIRE like it can bypass the ESEA (radar hack) that ESEA can't detect even if it's more better than the esl wire anticheat. The organner boys have spies in every anticheat team developer so when they update the anticheat.. the organner updates too. The only proof in this case are the demos and i think that the esl anticheat team are good enough to valutate if a guy cheats or not. Some people can think that it's a conspiration against Lox(Epsilon) but don't forget ESL Admins banned their best player of Germany(Andrue) and Kzy formers EPS team for a money cheat while they were playing ESL VS so they don't spare no one. What was the reason to ban him if he wasn't cheating?! He is too good?! They didn't want to pay the prizes?!( the prizes were distributed to the other teams) What if he was the only guy cheating?! he could have stay in the back and just call the enemy positions while schnneider was headshoting and prefiring all the map and was accused of cheating with no base&proof. Another suspicious thing is that they've kicked them 1 week ago.. the question is why?! chemistry problems or risk of colateral damage? i don't believe in coincidences To end i can say that even if esl had some proofs they wouldn't heve showed them and about your ban and your friend's ban.. i can't say nothing because i don't know you but They really banned you 2 for nothing?! ok^^ Organner boys must burn!

2013-03-14 11:24

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"What was the reason to ban him if he wasn't cheating?! He is too good?! They didn't want to pay the prizes?!( the prizes were distributed to the other teams)" Maybe because they got a lot of pressure from the community to ban someone in epsilon. Therefore just banning one of the team members for almost nothing, that could have been an coincidence in the game. Atleast they should show the proof to the player involved(xelos) so he can appeal against.

2013-03-14 15:54

4 replies

then why didn't they ban schnneider or jw? i bet that no one would have asked for an evidence and they were alright(ESL)

2013-03-14 15:58

3 replies

It took one month to get evidence to ban xelos, maybe they have not checked their demos to much yet. Maybe they was satisfied to just find one "cheater". But I do not even think they have any significant evidence. Because if they had any, they should atleast show it to xelos. That is just like in other sports, you can't ban someone without showing the results.

2013-03-14 16:04

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this discussion can countinue to infinite, but i guess no one is 100% right about this. xelos will not perform so well at cph and all will call him a cheater... but many will not think that he doesn't have a good team and that's why he will not play so good. I'll be here and defend him from that point of view i guess^^

2013-03-14 16:09

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Yup, I think he can preform very well at cph. But the pressure is on him now when the whole world is watching him, so that can bring him down. But then again he has already performed pretty good on LAN/bootcamp.

2013-03-14 16:17

xelos go prove it on lan .i trust you

2013-03-14 09:32

€500,000 on esl wire? OMG

2013-03-14 09:39

1 reply

hes baiting

2013-03-14 16:53

gl xElos-dA-MiYaGi :D

2013-03-14 09:48

inb4 Epsilon or WRTT wins Copenhagen Games ;) HATERS GONNA HATE

2013-03-14 10:43

I'm Xelos and I approve this.

2013-03-14 11:10

Maybe he cheated, maybe not. We can't know that so please stop say "He chats" and "He doesn't cheat" when we all know shit about it. Only xelos knows the truth, and he has the chance to prove that he is a good player on Lan, but he can never prove that he didn't cheat on esl, so that's a different story. Btw, of cource esl don't go out and say what cheat he used, if the ban is correct. Then 12 year olds would have found the cheat and it would have been e hell for esl to ban all these people when the cheat bypasses the anticheat. If it took 1 month for them to ban xelos, imagine how much time they would have to put on demo-watching if a bigger scale would have been using that kind of cheat. But stop flame him, beacuse we don't know and anyone can make e mistake, even ESL, even though the chanse is little that they did a wrong descision. It's ESl´s tournament, and they decide if they want him playing on their tournament or not, completely their desicion, nothing anyone can do about that!

2013-03-14 11:12

1 reply

2013-03-14 21:57

Who gives a shit... kids banned, he can kick and scream all he wants and nothing will change.

2013-03-14 11:40

3 replies

and the community has to accept that witouth any proof ? i dont ! maybe next week they will ban Gtr or Scream

2013-03-14 11:43

2 replies

They are within their rights to do that... its their league, these players signed up to their terms and conditions. They wont issue any proof, as its their decision, at no point do they require the blessing of a delusional, brain dead community.

2013-03-14 15:34

1 reply

If it wasn't for the "delusional, brain dead community" ESL wouldn't exist right now.

2013-03-16 03:05

i've seen the demos and he was clean. esl are retards. like in colon's case.

2013-03-14 12:06

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coloN dont have ESL ban , only CBNC Ban esl.eu/eu/player/log/3016803/

2013-03-14 12:46

Sure they will do really well @ LAN -.-

2013-03-14 12:51

The bann is a fck joke

2013-03-14 13:53

he can prove everything on cph.

2013-03-14 13:58

like many more using AC proof hacks online and start crying after ok these guys have some skills and can show them on LAN but they cheated online so ur burned anyway look at coloN he was good on LAN but was cheating online and much better :)

2013-03-14 14:30

wasn't xelos the guy, who traced a few players through 3 walls with his crosshair on stream? That was more than ridiculous

2013-03-14 15:04

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2013-03-14 15:59

wasn't pa$co the guy, who is talking complete bullshit which isnt even nearly true?

2013-03-14 16:54

Organner boasts silent loading so you can use it on LAN.

2013-03-14 16:09

2 replies

well, using organner with true legit settings makes it nearly senseless. You only get massive benefits if you use some not sooo legit settings.

2013-03-14 17:12

You can't when admin: - blocked internet connection - blocked removable drives, - blocked cd/dvd drives. - blocked etc. So cheater can't put cheats in his pc.

2013-03-14 17:38

AHHAHA THIS GUY IS RIDICULOUS

2013-03-14 16:11

Nice, and gl with WRTT :)

2013-03-14 16:48

Today on Dm he killed only in the head. I don `t know the skill. strangely

2013-03-14 17:38

2 replies

most likely he is a very good player and it's envy. but I have not heard of it before

2013-03-14 17:44

1 reply

There is an 'Edit' button to add further content to your message after it has been published.

2013-03-14 21:25

gl xelos; u're a good guy

2013-03-14 18:27

Take care xelos on LAN, hope this idiots from ESL show any quality proof so far they only trashtalk

2013-03-14 21:36

sad story bro, if you really did not cheat. u have to fully understand though that an esl admin needs no proof to bann you. if he and other admins analysed the demo and say you cheated, then u get banned. again sad story but this is the way it is since there exist private cheats that hardly get detected. and ofc this is the right way impov. ofc there will always be victims that get banned for playing very high level but those are a very tiny minority compared to the cheaters that are playing in esl undetected.

2013-03-14 21:40

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That's not exactly correct. It's not enough if the admins say that you cheat - the admins need to actually be 100% certain about it and be able to back their claim with facts. Otherwise, it's benefit of the doubt.

2013-03-14 22:12

hope he pulls a very good performance at CPH Games and the other future LAN's to prove anyone including ESL that it was not cheating. GL!!

2013-03-14 21:56

It warmes my heart that he is banned.

2013-03-14 23:14

every hacker says the same thing i don't cheat. so stop being captain obvious and play fair from now-one. and its not free hack you are using dumbshit you are buying hacks for money its obvious that's anti-cheat will not detect it.

2013-03-15 06:30

5 replies

and what if he isn't really hacking ? What can you say if not saying " I don't cheat" if you're not cheating? Come on.

2013-03-15 07:48

4 replies

Well. Everyone ( nearly...) knows Epsilon was/is cheating. Look how badly they performed the last matches..not even close to their "normal" play. Everything about Epsilon is strange.... WRTT, strange results, strange performance. Regards

2013-03-15 11:54

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2013-03-15 12:11

that's so one eyed. you should have witnessed the shitstorm when f0rest started getting really good.

2013-03-17 05:23

but you can see that every Top team have a Suspicious attitude towards them and there are many mediocre teams that perform well but they are not suspected. if he is not cheating and any other guy would be because epsilon team is not clean. he is facing the consequences for being in a organner team :)

2013-03-15 18:12

Lan will show everything ;)

2013-03-15 12:26

will see how you do at lan, im sure your team will fail hard and will blame will be placed on ...

2013-03-16 08:22

also amazing how many people on this site have cried about how you and your teammates are cheaters, but when you're finally banned they all say WTF no real proof but demo evidence

2013-03-16 08:28

hahaha

2013-03-16 11:54

I have to agree with xelos on this one, even if I fuckin hate cheaters. A bunch of so called pro's sit down and look at a demo of a player much better than they will ever be and come to the conclusion that he cheated vs a team from their own nation. Not trying to be racist but I spend time a lot of time on the phone with germans and something they will rarely admit is being wrong. I do not say that xelos did not cheat but there is no evidence and there is no justice in their final conclusion. I honestly think horse SHIT smells better than this story. Fuck you so called pro admins trying to prove your selves.

2013-03-16 12:21

In my opinion, demo from a such "known" player should be checked by other pros, from top teams instead by an admins.

2013-03-16 13:25

1 reply

can't agree more!

2013-03-17 06:08