Na´Vi pull out of Cph Games

MIRAA
March 29th, 2013 23:54

Natus Vincere have announced that they have decided to pull out of Copenhagen Games.

The decision comes in the wake of a long argument with the tournament admins regarding the team's placing in Group B.

Na´Vi's victory against fnatic in the final group match resulted in a three-way tie between these two teams and Epsilon. Based on the number of maps won by the trio in the matches between these sides, each team had won three and lost three maps.

Therefore, the admins counted all the group maps, which resulted in Na´Vi finishing third due to the map they had lost to BX3 by default, as both fnatic and Epsilon had defeated the Norwegian side 2-0.


Na´Vi's players packing up

Na´Vi then protested against this, saying that the rounds between the tied teams, rather than the maps, had to be counted. Based on this, the Ukrainian team would go through as the top-placed side, followed by Epsilon and then fnatic, who would have to play in the Lower Bracket.

The admins then decided to follow this method, much to the dismay of fnatic, but after a 30-minute meeting, it was decided that the group standings would be based on maps, which left Na´Vi in the Lower Bracket.

Yegor "markeloff" Markelov's team were supposed to take on plan-B in the first round of the bracket, but they surprisingly revealed that they have opted to quit the event.

"Such a disrespectful approach towards the teams causes me to feel an utmost disappointment in modern e-Sports", Natus Vincere CEO Alexander "ZeroGravity" Kokhanovsky said.
 
"I ask all the teams who know me as an individual and trust me as e-Sports functionary to think about the treatment we received this very time.
 
"Next week Na`Vi will start the creation of an e-Sports Team Association together with other prominent teams. This organization will drastically change the face of modern e-Sports from the very first day of its creation."

As Na´Vi manager Igor "Caff" Sidorenko told HLTV.org earlier in the day, the team had already weighed up the possibility of abandoning the tournament following the default loss to BX3, but the players decided to stay and play.

OMFG
2013-03-29 23:54
Yeah...this is the mature response to unfair rules, running away. -_-
2013-03-29 23:56
why do you guys even reply to me? you realise its just sad that a top contender leaves right?
2013-03-29 23:57
Why are you mad about it?
2013-03-29 23:58
because we can!
2013-03-30 00:05
without a reason , cool
2013-03-30 00:05
still mad?
2013-03-30 00:07
about what?
2013-03-30 00:08
getting replies apparently
2013-03-30 00:08
H@H@H@H@H@H@
2013-03-30 18:40
Top contender? They were in the loser bracket lol
2013-03-30 00:14
Have you seen them playing against fnatic? That was top-level CS..
2013-03-30 00:15
they won againts FNATIC , and they ALWAYS have been a TOP TEAM compared to the other semi-pro teams. They got in lower bracket because of mistakes and retarded admins and they shouldn't have been there.
2013-03-30 00:15
can you relax?
2013-03-30 00:28
you are such a troll :D
2013-03-30 01:18
loser bracket? LOWER BRACKET.
2013-03-30 00:23
#428
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United States 1mPeRvI0uS 
+1
2013-03-30 00:24
Noa two continents?
2013-03-30 17:40
#425
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United States 1mPeRvI0uS 
saucers gonna sauce as always
2013-03-30 00:24
go kiss some british ass rather than bitching n crying all over the forum.
2013-03-30 00:46
#754
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Netherlands liQuidmoTion 
Because of a default map loss for lateness, and jou know it
2013-03-30 07:30
The problem is that if a map defaults, there is no automatic score. Can we assume that navi lost the first map 16-0? In football, a forfeit defaults to 3-0. simple. In this tournament it's not defined, apparently. A 3 way rock paper scissors tie complicates things further.
2013-03-30 01:09
#670
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Australia TotalEclipse 
In Counter-Strike though you have to get 16 rounds to win, so it doesn't need to be defined.
2013-03-30 02:39
You have not understood. 16 rounds for winner - yes. But how many rounds have won team that lost by default? It is not defined.
2013-03-30 11:09
HAHAHA
2013-03-29 23:54
#3
Europe k9ken 
wtf
2013-03-29 23:54
aww
2013-03-29 23:54
Did you scare them away with ur p250? :D
2013-03-30 00:17
+1
2013-03-30 03:12
Na'vi stronk nation, retreat from invasion. Ukraine, more like Umad?
2013-03-29 23:55
hahahahahaha good postings
2013-03-29 23:56
lol'ed :D
2013-03-29 23:57
hahahahah
2013-03-29 23:58
hahahaha good guy :D
2013-03-30 00:01
Ucrying
2013-03-30 00:07
Well, it's pronounced almost the same as Ucryin', so....
2013-03-30 00:11
Ucrying xD
2013-03-30 02:31
does sonnen still want to fight silva?
2013-03-30 10:13
no. i destroy him, now i have to do the same against another bastard at 159.
2013-03-31 15:29
ahahah sonnen got beated up twice :D sonnen sucks !!
2013-03-31 15:39
No. i win 6 rounds of 8. i destroy him. like i said before, now i have to do the same in April, 27 in New Jersey. Watch me destroying Jones, have fun.
2013-03-31 21:34
sonnen couldnt beat silva, that was pathetic !! All the trash talk served him right !!
2013-04-01 10:35
#669
REAL | 
Norway duffz00r 
lollipop
2013-03-30 02:38
#6
Norway stbb 
xXDXD
2013-03-29 23:54
HAHAHAH
2013-03-29 23:54
o.O
2013-03-29 23:54
Well that escalated quickly
2013-03-29 23:55
2013-03-29 23:56
#10
Iraq mohh 
gj navi, would of done the same tbh
2013-03-29 23:55
Yes
2013-03-29 23:55
Agree !
2013-03-29 23:57
+1 It's a Mature decisions.
2013-03-30 00:17
Sorry, but it's absolutely not. To prove an org that they're wrong, you take it like a man, you go into lower bracket, win everything, win the final and then, only then, you complain and talk trash about the tournament. An experienced team as Na'Vi knows that the moment there is competition, there are unfair decisions. You have to deal with it, there is simply no other way. Walking out of a tournament is exactly like admitting that they were the ones doing the wrong thing, and even if they didn't, they'll still look like bitches to the world because they just walked out and started talking trash about the event. If only they'd have waited for the event to finish... I even saw a comment from Markeloff saying : "Dota2 installed..." If that's not childish I don't know what is...
2013-03-30 02:18
but man u should give E-Sport some respect and What the fuck admins were doing ? so if zerogravity was at CPH and talked to the admins and start whining like a little kid they will put Na'Vi on 1st ? Respect E-Sport guys .
2013-03-30 02:37
they were late for 30 minutes, is that respect?
2013-03-30 04:23
not from navi's side no.
2013-03-30 05:10
#719
Other si 
1. 14 mins + problems with PC`s. 2. We dont know why whey late , or like you say disrespect or maybe just some problems , it sometimes happens. 3. They loose one map , because of late.( problem is solved). 4. They are firs Over fnatic and epsilon , but going to lover bracket...(by points) PROBLEM WAS SOLVED... but no! Admins thought this is not to much for 14 minutes late??! Admins , must understand that sometimes it happens , like sometimes tournaments games late by couple ours.. I just want to say that we dont know why they late, or it was disrespect or other reasons,but all whe know that they got they punishment for this by loosing first map.
2013-03-30 05:16
they clearly stated thet they won't tolerate delays which were caused by teams. i bet that sidorenko is kind of retarded guy with no knowledge of english. it was known ages ago that games start at 10.00. moreover, navi were not first or u are one of those retards who calculate rounds when teams dont play 30 rounds?
2013-03-30 05:26
#739
Other si 
They count the round difference. fnatic - epsilon 1st - 16-14 2nd - 12-16 3rd - 16-13 Na`Vi - Epsilon 1st - 13-16 2nd - 16-12 3rd - 13-16 Na`Vi - fnatic 1st - 10-16 2nd - 16-6 3rd - 22-18 Na`Vi = 90-84 (+6) fnatic = 84-91 (-7) Epsilon = 87-86 (+1) Its about NaVi Fnatic and Epsilon :)
2013-03-30 05:35
they DON'T count round difference hence teams didn't play 30 rounds each map. are u idiot?
2013-03-30 05:36
What a douchebag you are. Are you really Russian? Shameful.
2013-03-30 06:35
shame on these butthurting retards screaming about unfair decisions by organisators, looks like "sud'ja prodajna9, kozel ti" or "ETO ZAGOVOR PROTIV SPARTAKA"
2013-03-30 06:38
There are counting the round difference between 3way tied teams in each normal tournament. The rules in eSporst must be unificated. In that case this situation wouldn't happened. Because admins in the beginning placed NaVi 3rd, then 1st, but after 30 minutes of arguing again 3rd. It doesn't seem to me that admins knew what they are actually doing. As simple as that.
2013-03-30 06:55
In tournaments where best-of-3 matches are played in group stage it is only normal for map difference to be before round difference when solving ties.
2013-03-30 08:03
So, changing their minds is normal? If that is clear and so obvious, what they discussed about 30 minutes? To count map difference with outsider is NOT NORMAL. This isn't showing REAL strength of the teams. Can you understand that? That's why must be counted round differnece between 3way tied teams.
2013-03-30 08:53
to count round difference in is needed to play full 30 rounds on every map, other ways to count map difference, which is the same for all 3 teams and then to look at result versus 4th team
2013-03-30 08:17
#805
Other si 
gosh.... FORGET 4 TEAM!!! They were out already .... This is same as in EURO 2012 in Poland/Ukraine group A :C.Rebublic took 1 place with 6 points , when 2 and 3 Russia and Greece with 4 poinds, 4th place Poland with 2 points, SO first and second place stays! ITS ALL WAS BETWEEN RUSSIA AND GREECE , Greece won against Russia so they going UP, and Russia out ... Nobody cares how Russia or Greece played against C.Republic or Poland... THE SAME SITUATION IS HERE !!! Got that???
2013-03-30 20:50
it's not the same situation, as u can't count round difference unless u play 30 rounds, it can be compared to like loosing first half of football match and not playing 2nd
2013-03-30 22:04
#807
Other si 
Im leaving the building.... :DDD
2013-03-30 23:41
+1
2013-03-30 15:58
+1 agree
2013-03-30 15:59
#11
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Ukraine gungrave 
gj navi. fuck this orgs
2013-03-29 23:55
+1
2013-03-30 00:30
#666
Other si 
+1 BIG RESPECT for NaVi , They did a great job by quiting this crapp... So many haters in this thread ,like: "CRY NAVI" "NOOBS" "DESERVED"..... Its all says that NaVi is still the best)))) And ones who crying , are you haters!:) Because you afraid that NaVi is getting stronger each day!!
2013-03-30 02:36
.......................................
2013-03-30 05:10
#731
Other si 
You have nothing to say man.. :)
2013-03-30 05:27
Admins followed the rules, NaVi cried and left. Point, game, match.
2013-03-30 09:24
#812
Other si 
Followed the rules?? Did you saw this? youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedde.. , watch and maybe change your mind? huh?:)
2013-03-31 19:10
The rules also state "admins decision are final"
2013-03-31 19:11
#814
Other si 
So they can move NaVi to lover every time they want , because they are admins :) Understood:)!
2013-03-31 19:23
Now you are distorting it to fit your needs. The admins clearly stated in the video, they were still discussing what to do, and the info was leaked was not final. Thats why there was such a fuzz.
2013-03-31 19:39
#816
Other si 
"Now you are distorting it to fit your needs." No nono , im not doing that... Admins read a rules and sad that by rules NaVi are on top of group , after the talk with Friis they changed they decision and send NaVi to lower that was clearly against rules... Im trying to say that admins cant brake the rules, because they gave fake info to Fnatic earlier... Now u understand what im trying to say?:)
2013-03-31 19:53
Childish behaviour from Na'Vi.. laughable decision
2013-03-29 23:55
#35
Iraq mohh 
how is this childish by any way? they should be in the upperbracket, but the admins decided to mess up with their own rules. ;D
2013-03-29 23:56
tbf it was never in the rules. I read them and there was nothing mentioned about it there.
2013-03-29 23:56
If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question. Need some help?
2013-03-29 23:57
Oh, it was under match format. My bad then, expected it to be under it's own category.
2013-03-30 00:05
If "points differential" refers to map score differential, not round score differential, then the admins' decision was correct. It's ambiguous though :/
2013-03-30 00:30
They lost a map on default, that map loss has been there all day.. for them to drop about when they realize they can't make WB is fucking childish - it's not like they're out of the tournament, they still have a shot - earn up to your own mistakes and play through it instead of running out when everyone doesn't abide by your needs.
2013-03-29 23:59
OMFG. Read the rules ?
2013-03-30 00:04
to be honest, you are so stupid! I hate people like you, dont know a damn thing, too lazy to read or do research... but still judge things.
2013-03-30 00:09
fnatic beat Epsilon Epsilon beat Na'Vi Na'Vi beat fnatic 3-way tie, Na'Vi lost more maps.
2013-03-30 00:18
They used this rule book for this event. Its the event's fault. You still can counts the round difference in bo3, and if you do that navi will be 1st. The admins are just simply biased toward danish teams.
2013-03-30 00:22
Na'Vi vs. fnatic 2-1 Na'Vi vs. BX3 2-1 Na'Vi vs. Epsilon 1-2 2+2+1=5 1+1+2=4 5-4=1 fnatic vs. Epsilon 2-1 fnatic vs. BX3 2-0 fnatic vs. Na'Vi 1-2 2+2+1=5 1+0+2=3 5-3=2 Are you getting this by now?
2013-03-30 00:27
If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the >>>>teams concerned<<<<, then by points differential in the matches between the teams >>>>concerned<<<< and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question. You seriously need to take some reading classes.
2013-03-30 00:30
f teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the >>>>teams concerned<<<<, This would mean Na'Vi goes through over fnatic... but wait, how can that be, because by the same token fnatic are in the same situation with Epsilon, and they beat Epsilon, therefore fnatic should go through over Epsilon.. but wait, wait, Epsilon beat Na'Vi, so they should go through over Na'Vi.. It's all connected because in the end they're all tied with each other, meaning the teams concerned = all three teams being tied up.
2013-03-30 00:38
How did you not get that he's talking about the round difference in the maps between the three teams involved?
2013-03-30 00:42
They count the round difference. fnatic - epsilon 1st - 16-14 2nd - 12-16 3rd - 16-13 Na`Vi - Epsilon 1st - 13-16 2nd - 16-12 3rd - 13-16 Na`Vi - fnatic 1st - 10-16 2nd - 16-6 3rd - 22-18 Na`Vi = 90-84 (+6) fnatic = 84-91 (-7) Epsilon = 87-86 (+1)
2013-03-30 01:00
omg why are u so retarded? u can't count round difference without playing 30 rounds of each map
2013-03-30 04:25
you are retarded.
2013-03-30 04:35
#728
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Iceland yannay 
+1
2013-03-30 05:26
+1
2013-03-30 06:36
The rules never said rounds. "Point differentials" means maps, also because in the scoreboards it is calculated by maps. If Na'Vi didn't like these rules they shouldn't have attended to the tournament. It's about time Admins stand up to them.
2013-03-30 11:14
winning 16-1 = winning 16-14 ?
2013-03-30 05:28
that is just the most worrying thing I have seen in a long time. Do not try to do ANY math in the future plzzz.
2013-03-30 05:14
BX3 shouldn't be counted into this. Only RD between the 3 teams that are concerned into the tie. It has been like this for years....
2013-03-30 00:36
That's absolutely not true in any league in any sport across the entire world. Manchester City won the league last season on goal difference over the entire season. Na'Vi defaulted an entire map to BX3, that's -16 RD right there.
2013-03-30 01:17
Thats completely irrelevant. In all CS tournaments before three-way tie was solved between the three involved teams.
2013-03-30 08:32
there is no point in using rounds when you stop at 16 - what about the last rounds then? - they still HIGHLY matter for the losing team...
2013-03-30 00:59
You are right, but that is not the reason =)
2013-03-30 05:16
read, then talk :)
2013-03-30 00:11
lol really? Is it hard look when your games are starting, haha. Bad excuses.
2013-03-30 00:03
childish, cause more likely they won't be able to attend cphg anymore.
2013-03-30 00:07
so what just play through the lowerbracket. Just because something doesn't go their way they throw a fit and rage quit basically. Lowerbracket would of been easier anyway and you can still win the event. (not that they were going to anyway) It's childish. just because they aren't being treated like royalty because it's a new game and not 1.6, they are just being arrogant. This could of happened to any team and I guarantee you they would of not reacted that way. It's unprofessional. Maybe the decision to give bx3 a default was wrong but you take it in your stride and you move on and you do what it take to get further in the tournament no matter how that is.
2013-03-30 00:22
I quite understand their anger against LB - since its BO1 while UB is BO3 - however I dont understand their argument in using rounds (just because they happen to lead in that factor) I mean all games stop at 16 - doesnt matter whether it was 16-14 or 16-2 The opponent would not get a chance to change the round-difference, because the match would simply stop. Therefore the correct thing to do in this sceneraio is to use map difference, which they did, and NaVi got angry... If they gonna complain, complain about not playing all 30 rounds then, and then you can complain about not using RD for score. Just my opinion...
2013-03-30 01:03
No, their point is that the rules written for the event are that round difference should be used, not map difference.
2013-03-30 02:30
am+oou7
2013-03-30 05:19
easy to blame looking from far away.
2013-03-29 23:59
Best not mess up my bets
2013-03-29 23:55
#22
Czech Republic jYrY 
exactly... I bet on them like 2 minutes ago
2013-03-29 23:55
#406
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Netherlands K1NGBOAZ 
same here had like 33 million in bettings including navi... :<
2013-03-30 00:22
wtfffffff
2013-03-29 23:55
cry more...
2013-03-29 23:55
Oh for fuck's sake.
2013-03-29 23:55
I think a right decision!
2013-03-29 23:55
explain me why plz
2013-03-29 23:57
because according to the rules of the tournament they should have passed. try to read the rules carefully. And when people argue about word "points" like whether that are points or maps...lol..dont be ridiculous.. There are points. There are maps.
2013-03-30 00:01
but even when u dont like the decision or even when its wrong u pull out of it when u came all they way from ukrain and a team like navi has the skill to survice lowerbracket easily so i think its a bit childish tbh
2013-03-30 00:02
Why do they have to do it, when by the rules they are supposed to be in upper? It is just not fair.
2013-03-30 00:08
it was a split decision but because na'vi got defaulted because they were lately turning up/setting up. and they were the only team that lost a map to the norway team, exact same rounds for and against with epsilon and fnatic and na'vi.. tbh should be on time.
2013-03-30 00:12
by the rules they should be on lower. they do not have the reason.
2013-03-30 00:16
Na`Vi's statement @google translate: Trouble again overtook Natus Vincere, but by the end of the day. In our group, there is a fairly commonplace for eSports situation - three members are arguing for an exit in the playoffs. Under the rules of the tournament (a screenshot is in the wording) in such cases initially included personal meetings, then due on the maps, and if it is impossible to determine the order of exit in the playoffs, then consider the rounds. All of these activities are carried out only between the teams competing for the output, outsiders do not count. As for reaching the playoffs from our group argued three teams, identify places in the private meetings was not possible, as well as all games between Natus Vincere, Fnatic and Epsilon score was on the maps 2-1 or 1-2, the decisive word had the counting rounds. According to this index to come first Natus Vincere, are followed by Fnatic, and Epsilon in third place in the group and go to the bottom of the net. This decision was confirmed by the judges, but after management of Natus Vincere left judges them in half an hour discussion, which is rumored to present players Fnatic and Epsilon, the decision was made that, in our case will be considered no matches between the teams contending for access , but in general all the games in the group, then there is also the first game Natus Vincere, where judges assigned us forfeit the first map. hope this clears everything.
2013-03-30 00:33
why should they not? To travel home is stupid, arrogant, childish, just flashback to the schoolyard............
2013-03-30 05:20
are you drunk ? bit childish ? fnatic who should be the 3rd in group could also survive lowerbrack easy ! "even dont like the decision" You must be completely retard !
2013-03-30 00:11
fucking moron, when u came all the way from ukrain to denmark, just play on even if its unfair
2013-03-30 00:11
1) you are super upset when this happens to you 2) admins will have to tell community (if they are professionals) why did they make such a decision 3) noone will have the balls to do such shitty things in the future tournaments
2013-03-30 00:13
im not saying navi didnt get screwed over or whatever, ofcourse it sux for them and i woudlve been mad to, but just accept the failure of the admins if thats the case and win that fucking lowerbracket
2013-03-30 00:15
dude they paid a lot of money to go to denmark and play lowerbracket and go in finale lose 1 map and you finish in 2nd place ? kids like you should not have an account here !
2013-03-30 00:17
thats even more reason to play the shit out of those lowerbracket teams and just finish in the top3 of top5
2013-03-30 00:19
top5 ? navi doesnt aim top5 mate , and to be in top3 from lowerbracker in much harder ! anyway i hope they will decide to stay and take cph's money :)
2013-03-30 00:25
but navi has the potential to reach top 3 so how hard it is after a bad decision, just suck it up and own those teams and show what there capable off
2013-03-30 00:25
just dont try anymore with this moron =D...... let kids be kids
2013-03-30 05:22
who cares, if u are the best u will win. Stop this childwhineshit.
2013-03-30 05:22
No, in a BO3 "points" are map, besides look at the scoreboard, point differential is calculated by maps. I agree they should have been more clear on this, but the rules never said "rounds". I know that's standard in many other tournaments, but these rules are different, and rules must be respected. Their decision to abandon the race is childish, they should have fought in the lower bracket and then maybe complain about what should have been different in the rules.
2013-03-30 11:20
why??? in my opinion na`vi got fucked because of bad preparing from the team manager! end then they got fucked by admin team.... it's not obvious that suddenly after a lot complaining of the other team they change the rules... so they have the feeling we cane make a statement here and they did! we as a community behind cs.go want honest play and see the teams perform on lan in good condition. when you got the feeling as a team you not threaded correct bye the rules the lan orga set up for the event. and as a team they feel like fuck it whe can't play under these condition why not make this balt move...
2013-03-30 10:29
Because you accepted the rules at the beginning when you chose to participate.
2013-03-30 11:21
yes correct but what ive they imply the rules so the some boys got a advantage.... and you'r side got a disadvantage in there opinion ?
2013-03-30 11:26
good decision ! retarted organization
2013-03-29 23:55
wtf hah
2013-03-29 23:55
good job Copenhagen Games! your rules changes base on your hormons level ... everyone will remember this
2013-03-29 23:55
?
2013-03-30 05:23
ROFL
2013-03-29 23:55
but why...
2013-03-29 23:56
The right decision :)
2013-03-29 23:56
Butt hurt
2013-03-29 23:56
planB 2 strong
2013-03-29 23:56
#42
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Denmark BATISTUTA9 
hahahaha..
2013-03-29 23:56
i guess their plan b on how to win the tournament from the loser bracket is working pretty good so far /joke
2013-03-30 00:22
#682
REAL | 
Norway duffz00r 
hah
2013-03-30 03:01
#34
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Latvia GekonsCS 
omg cry us a river :D
2013-03-29 23:56
#36
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Denmark BATISTUTA9 
Are you kidding me. Plan-B is like \o/
2013-03-29 23:56
rage quit? so proffesional And all they wanted is to look cool and be late for their match...
2013-03-29 23:56
+11111111111111111111
2013-03-29 23:58
++ :D
2013-03-30 00:02
it was unfair cuz according to the rulebook navi should be in upper bracket, but the admin changed their rule book. I would do the same thing, instead of keep playing in an unprofessional tournament. btw #264 for people like you.
2013-03-30 00:14
nothing has been changed in the rulebook, dude you werent there, u know shit.
2013-03-30 05:24
seriously, read the rules. the problem is not in loosing that map to bx3, if admins followed their rules they would still be 1st in the group
2013-03-30 00:14
WTF! if out of teh group oakaojaojajoajoa NB
2013-03-29 23:56
they couldve got out the lowerbracket easy, sad decision
2013-03-29 23:56
Funneh
2013-03-29 23:56
Why would anyone travel across Europe and then forfeit? Even if you don't like the decision of the admins at least play out the tournament.
2013-03-29 23:56
#69
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Denmark BATISTUTA9 
Exactly my thought.. They will be home one day earlier, but thats about the only advantage i can see. They are missing out on a huge money oppurtunity.
2013-03-29 23:57
pride my friend...
2013-03-30 01:04
pride belongs to monkeylike males.
2013-03-30 05:24
I guess they have the money?
2013-03-29 23:58
but just 'cause you have the money, you'll throw it away? and i guess their sponsors won't be happy about that.
2013-03-30 00:00
Who cares? They're about to open a gaming house in the USA. They HAVE money. Why would they stay in the tournament if they're not being fair at all?
2013-03-30 00:03
so what's important is not being professional and playing their roles, is being childish, crying and saying that's not right and forfeit. point taken. -_-" don't get me wrong, but you sound really stupid with that part of 'they have the money'.
2013-03-30 00:11
The admins change rules during the tournaments and prefer Fnatic with that. NaVi is being professional and leave the tournament because the admins of CPH are not professional. Or you take it the other way and say NaVi is not prfessional because they leave. You could see it either way.
2013-03-30 00:13
see, i'm not saying that the admins are correct, but i guess na'vi isn't too.
2013-03-30 00:15
+1
2013-03-30 00:34
Actually it could have been an economically valuable decision for Na Vi and their sponsors, considering their situation. Generating a huge repercussion is also a way to spotlight their team and therefore sponsors. Depending on their game performance it could have been even a better "marketing" exposure for them than just keep playing playoffs :X
2013-03-30 00:18
works both ways. may be good, may be terrible, right? :>
2013-03-30 00:21
it very rarely works in a bad way, unless you have raped a child or somehting sick like that.
2013-03-30 05:26
this.
2013-03-29 23:58
it's all about organization reputation
2013-03-29 23:58
they end up looking way worse doing this though.
2013-03-30 00:01
yes now they have organ reputation for low hormons level rage quitters
2013-03-30 00:02
rage quitters? admins just changed rules during the tournament, Na`Vi should play till 5am lower bracket matches just cause of weird admins
2013-03-30 00:05
THEY LOST A MAP WHERE FNATIC AND EPSILON DIDNT SO THEY SHOULD DROP TO LOWER
2013-03-30 00:13
If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question. Do u know how to read?
2013-03-30 00:16
so? that totally makes na'vi go into lower ... they dont have the reason
2013-03-30 00:19
no if you count the round difference, navi will be 1st, fnatic third.
2013-03-30 00:23
but fnatic won vs epsilon
2013-03-30 00:24
If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question. Find any mention of round difference. Do you even know how to read?
2013-03-30 08:14
Who the hell said "round difference"? Point differential is in maps! If you need confirmation look at the scoreboard, NiP went out of the groupstage with a point differential of +6
2013-03-30 11:25
TEAMS CONCERNED - that means only 3 teams: Na`Vi fnatic Epsilon matches with BX3 shouldn't be count
2013-03-30 00:24
if all 3 teams are equal in everything they have to count the 4th team in as well because there wouldnt be any way to end the tie
2013-03-30 00:25
by round difference na`vi should be 1st, epsilon 2nd and fnatic should go to the lower bracket
2013-03-30 00:29
what were the results in train and d2 in fnatic vs navi?
2013-03-30 00:32
ok if u want - lets count rounds: na`vi fnatic epsilon fnatic - epsilon 1st - 16-14 2nd - 12-16 3rd - 16-13 Na`Vi - Epsilon 1st - 13-16 2nd - 16-12 3rd - 13-16 Na`Vi - fnatic 1st - 10-16 2nd - 16-6 3rd - 22-18 Na`Vi = 90-84 (+6) fnatic = 84-91 (-7) Epsilon = 87-86 (+1) As you can see - Na`Vi should top group, Epsilon - 2nd, and fnatic should play in lb
2013-03-30 00:42
Yeah i made the maths and navi has more round difference and should be first.
2013-03-30 00:44
IF YOU COUNT ROUNDS na'vi should be first. but rounds were NOT in the rules. So NO, na'vi should not be first. End of story.
2013-03-30 11:26
no, there is no change on the rules
2013-03-30 00:13
If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question. You know how to read right? Or you need me to explain for u?
2013-03-30 00:15
maybe you can explain me.
2013-03-30 00:33
all 3 teams ended up 2W 1L, if you count the round difference in the matches between these 3 teams navi will be 1st, fnatic will be third. They changed the rule and make it also involved BX3 matches. So navi will be third because they got 1 default lost against BX3. The main thing here is they changed the rule during the tournament, unprofessional.
2013-03-30 00:36
a interesting point of seeing. in the rule, it is not define the meaning of "points". what has a define, however, is this rule - By participating in the tournament the players accept with no reservations all of the above and below mentioned regulations and that any decision made by the tournament administrators during the tournament may at any time supersede these regulations.
2013-03-30 00:40
yes i read this too, but for this situation u can still use the rule book to determine who will advance in what place. Why need to change rule, maybe they are biased towards danish team? An unprofessional decision after all, dont u think that?
2013-03-30 00:44
i do not agree with the decision, however, more i do not agree with navi ragequitting. bad bad sportsmenship
2013-03-30 00:47
Ok ~_~
2013-03-30 00:58
sry for disagreement
2013-03-30 01:05
just read rules If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question. (c) CPH rules and admins desicion was to count all team matches
2013-03-30 00:17
By participating in the tournament the players accept with no reservations all of the above and below mentioned regulations and that any decision made by the tournament administrators during the tournament may at any time supersede these regulations.
2013-03-30 00:34
ok then tournament no need rules? admins just can change rules on the way if they want
2013-03-30 00:38
the players accept with no reservations......
2013-03-30 00:40
lets be honest - admins r stupid, not only in this situation, yesterday (as tweeted lurppis) they also did weird decision during Quantic match following rules Na`Vi shouldn't play in lb, they should top their group, but they just didnt want to play till 5am (this time is without delays(!)) just because of weird admins decision I absolutely understand them
2013-03-30 00:48
yes, i have not an agree with the admin decision. however, i have not a bigger agree wtih the navi pull out. i want to watch navi games, now i cannot see.
2013-03-30 00:51
cmon dude. Wether or not the admins were retarded(or maybe alien), this childish showoff of navi is completely ridiculous. Blaming admins for homejudging and shit. This is danes, danes DO NOT make mistakes on purpose. the end.
2013-03-30 05:32
+1
2013-03-29 23:59
#102
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Latvia GekonsCS 
plus cmon even if it was admins fault that they said wrong time, a team should be there 1-2 hours before the start to make sure they are there and ready!
2013-03-29 23:59
sure, and then such organizations will still do such things with new rules in the day of a tournament ... esports have such problems very often, so u need to do at least something to change it in future
2013-03-30 00:01
I wouldn't support such a ridiculous decision either :/ They were robbed. The only logical thing would be to break the three-way-tie down and count the round difference between the teams. This is just so embarrassing and a huge shame for the tournament. Can completely understand why NaVi would take such a stand, even though it's a huge shame of course :(
2013-03-30 00:01
Kind of agree, but look at it from their point of view aswell. If you invest money to travel to a tournament, you get a map penalty which was fair. But then after the group stage is finished the tournaments OFFICIAL RULES state that they should be 1st in group. If you get put to lower bracket it's simply fraud. Imagine this is a real sports like football, f.e. having a 3 way tie in a poule in the CL. Would you ever seen Barcelona been thrown into the Europa League (3rd place) even if they would finish 1st by the official rulebook? I think Barcelona would pull out of the Europa League immedietly if UEFA were to change their rules at given moment.
2013-03-30 00:01
are u stupid?
2013-03-30 05:33
+1 #49
2013-03-30 00:02
By your logic: You win the group and should be at 1st place, but admins admit you the 3rd place, you goes down to play in lower-bracket. After all you are like "nothing have happened" and still play there while being pushed around only because you traveled across the Europe? Seems silly and degrading.
2013-03-30 00:08
it's a protest obviously. they demonstrate their disapproval of this tournament by dropping out. saying they shouldnt do it is like saying people shouldnt demonstrate for better conditions in the contry they live in but instead just "live with it".
2013-03-30 00:12
It would be like acknowledging the decision. So I can understand why they decided to pull out, as I feel they have been ``cheated''.
2013-03-30 00:17
They just got screwed over, twice (according to NaVi statements) why would they stay and play on?
2013-03-30 00:17
like i said in some previous post: 1) they must be super mad, we all know how you play when its like that (yeah it has some + sides but many cons too) 2) now admins have to explain their decision to community (at least imo) 3) unfair decisions like this one wont happen in future tournaments cuz admins will be afraid that the team will do the same as navi i support navi, its just not fair, not professional. you cant play with players like that and have them for idiots. they spent 100 hours training for the tournament and they almost eliminate them like that (in bo1 almost any team can win against the other one, a lot of luck involved). i would really like to hear something from admins, hope they admit their mistake, else they would embarass themselves even more (and i have nothing against fnatic, epsilon or navi, theyre all great but rules are rules)
2013-03-30 00:20
Dude, CPH is not all in white at all in this thing honestly. Both parties are to blame. Even if Na'Vi shouldn't have quit, CPH did a very VERY poor job there.
2013-03-30 02:35
why are they so butthurt?
2013-03-29 23:56
Oh come on...
2013-03-29 23:56
Fucking Copenhagen games managers!!!
2013-03-29 23:56
w00t? Come on Navi. You could still make it through the lower bracket. Your first opponent (plan B) is a free win.
2013-03-29 23:56
worst decision.. now they look like a bunch of primadonnas
2013-03-29 23:56
CPH what are you guise doing?.........
2013-03-29 23:56
LOL i said navi are low cry babies its not so bad playing lower bracket.. stupid shits what waste of tournaments time and money from their own sponsor..
2013-03-29 23:56
Oh you swedes. youtube.com/watch?v=WCkOmcIl79s It's not all about Money.
2013-03-30 00:15
OH come on, fuck CPH . Better organisation on FragNet.
2013-03-29 23:56
+1
2013-03-29 23:59
as the girls cryhome home home go home
2013-03-29 23:56
navi low level of hormons
2013-03-29 23:57
HAHAHAAHAH
2013-03-29 23:57
OMFG :O
2013-03-29 23:57
childish
2013-03-29 23:57
Haha they think they'r above the rules, you don't have the same status in CS:GO as you had in 1.6 boys!
2013-03-29 23:58
#77
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Norway M0LTEN 
I like that one "<3 Molten" :D
2013-03-29 23:57
I like you ;)
2013-03-29 23:59
If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question.
2013-03-30 00:00
Well you might be right, but I just enjoy them being arrogant and get slapped in the face :p They have no reason to be arrogant, cuz theyr an average team ;p
2013-03-30 00:04
Why do u think they are arrogant?
2013-03-30 00:28
#124
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Latvia GekonsCS 
totally agree +1 :D
2013-03-30 00:00
makes sense, for all the people saying good job to the admins for giving bx3 a default win on a map for Navi turning up late (allegedly), you can't change the rules which decides whether one team is in the Upper or lower bracket.
2013-03-29 23:57
ok, my dt is fucked up now :X
2013-03-29 23:57
Arrogant
2013-03-29 23:57
#70
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Norway M0LTEN 
ahhahahah CRY me a river!
2013-03-29 23:57
they just wanted attention, admins have dealt with this situation quite good imo.
2013-03-29 23:57
#294
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World MangQo 
pls, don`t be stupid
2013-03-30 00:11
to be honest, you are so stupid! I hate people like you, dont know a damn thing, too lazy to read or do research... but still judge things.
2013-03-30 00:33
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA MADE MY DAY AHAHAHAHAAHHH
2013-03-29 23:57
Bad manners from NaVi
2013-03-29 23:57
cryyyyyyyyyyyyy
2013-03-29 23:57
It's their own fault for not being there on time, Simple as that, Very unprofessional of them to pull out like this I'm sure their sponsors are real happy.
2013-03-29 23:58
how stupid u r guys? it's not about the default lose.try to read
2013-03-30 00:04
Try to read what? "Natus Vincere have announced that they have decided to pull out of Copenhagen Games. More to follow..."
2013-03-30 00:09
read the rules. by the rules, navi should top the group, even though they lost 1 map to BX3
2013-03-30 00:21
why is that? round diff over map wins?
2013-03-30 00:23
it said only teams that are tied are counted. so a map loss against BX3 shouldnt count. they've changed that before playoffs
2013-03-30 00:26
It has nothing to do with that map loss. They won on internal round difference tying the two other teams. It always comes down to breaking down a three-way-tie as much as possible, in this case to rounds, before involving the fourth team in the process. NaVi should have moved on to upper-bracket. I'm afraid it was a beyond stupid admin decision, unfortunately :/
2013-03-30 00:07
the rounds were all equal between the 3 teams i think
2013-03-30 00:21
no, those were map points. navi leads in rounds cuz of 16-6 win against fnatic :)
2013-03-30 00:22
count all the rounds between the 3 teams.
2013-03-30 00:24
yeah and navi has like +6, epsilon +1 and fnatic -7 or smth like that?
2013-03-30 00:27
im trying to do the maths but i need the results in train and d2...
2013-03-30 00:31
all the matches were very close except navi vs fnatic 16-6, so fnatic do have the worst round difference :) dont know the exact results though
2013-03-30 00:38
yeah i did the maths and navi should have been first
2013-03-30 00:45
Nope, they were: NaVi: 90-84 Epsilon: 87-86 fnatic: 84-91 So quite a shame for the whole tournament :(
2013-03-30 00:32
to be honest, you are so stupid! I hate people like you, dont know a damn thing, too lazy to read or do research... but still judge things.
2013-03-30 00:33
#80
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France Preyst1x 
LAL
2013-03-29 23:58
haha, cry more please.
2013-03-29 23:58
Good job.
2013-03-29 23:58
Shame on you CPH Games! I'm really sad for Na`Vi, they've traveled across Europe to play at good tournament, not like this. CPH Games aka CPH Who Cares About Rules Games.
2013-03-29 23:58
+++1
2013-03-29 23:59
Good decision ! organization fuck off!
2013-03-29 23:58
I dunno... For me it seems more like a Bitch move by NaVi, Im a really big fan of them but just because they got a def-loss and got in the Lower bracket they leave the Tournament?...
2013-03-29 23:58
not because of def-loss because admins changed the rules
2013-03-29 23:59
#154
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Latvia GekonsCS 
I think they are afraid to lose to some mid-tier team in lowerbracket, so to save them the shame of losing they will just quit :(
2013-03-30 00:01
(c) G3K0N5 who always tried to be on top level in Latvia but always failed. More rage brah.
2013-03-30 00:02
#193
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Latvia GekonsCS 
tried ? :D hahahah you know Latvian 1.6 scene so well that I failed not knowing about it :D okey!
2013-03-30 00:04
#710
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Estonia bigrabit 
yes you failed, sucky sucky
2013-03-30 04:34
again you, with your thoughts. Really, stop it.
2013-03-30 00:04
#202
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Latvia GekonsCS 
everyone is saying out loud their thought here, why shouldn't I ?
2013-03-30 00:04
no they were angry at the admins stupid decision to change the rule book.
2013-03-30 00:42
awesome admin crew ;-)
2013-03-29 23:58
navi dont care about their fans or sponsor.. really sad
2013-03-29 23:58
they mad
2013-03-29 23:59
spoiled
2013-03-29 23:59
are u kidding me? esc rage to follow, I am afraid
2013-03-29 23:59
They should have played and proven that the penalty didnt affect their gameplay!
2013-03-29 23:59
They could make it..
2013-03-29 23:59
Better not fucking up my bet!!! Otherwise I hope for them that the organisation had a influence, otherwise they could get in trouble.
2013-03-29 23:59
I am going to say the Manager had a big say in this, in his first report he said he wanted Na'Vi to pull out, but claimed instead the players wanted to countiue to play. Markeloff twitter account, he didn't seem too unhappy about going to lower bracket after defeating Fnatic in a long tough match. Markeloff: What an EPIC match we won! Even if we are going to lower bracket, we tried to win it no metter what. gg wp @FNATIC twitter.com/YegorMarkeloff I think it's a big shame they pull out after travelling all this way, i really enjoyed watching them play today. In my opinion a bit e-unsporting behaviour.
2013-03-29 23:59
Ehm, is it really an awesome behavior from admins to change the rules?
2013-03-30 00:04
I have not read the rules, but from what i have read from HLTV, they should pass as 1st or 2nd (i forgot ), if they only counted the 3 "tied" teams. Yes i think it's terrible if they changed the rules and to send Na'Vi to lower bracket. Unprofessional from both sides.
2013-03-30 00:08
both sides ? imagine yourself in NaVi's position !
2013-03-30 00:15
I have, and i think it's unprofessional, that decision was made out of frustration, whether they regret it or not is another matter. Think about the sponsors and fans. I am on Na'Vi side in this, and i am waiting on there full statement before i make further judgement on their behavior.
2013-03-30 00:17
so being told by admins to come at venue at 10:00 (non of admins talked about navi's statement so i guess its true) than just support a danish team because you're in denmark and send u to lowerbracket when chances to win the tournament are 50% lower ? I dont see anything unprofessional from their side , tbh i hope that they will continue playing for us fans at least !
2013-03-30 00:23
#378
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Israel selukvey 
NaVi claim that one of the CPH games admins told them to be at the venue at 10am. when they came at 10am admins said they had to be there at 9am and not 10am.. something like that.
2013-03-30 00:19
That would be a shame actually. At least let the players decide.
2013-03-30 00:06
LEEEEEL
2013-03-29 23:59
lololol
2013-03-29 23:59
fucking admins ...
2013-03-29 23:59
gj navi. fuck this orgs
2013-03-29 23:59
i think that cph games just lost like 5000 viewers with this move. GJ
2013-03-30 00:00
They had no chance
2013-03-30 00:00
ROFL
2013-03-30 00:00
wtf
2013-03-30 00:00
CPH WRONG NAVI STRONK
2013-03-30 00:00
#131
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Denmark BATISTUTA9 
Alchemists BACK ?
2013-03-30 00:00
Lmao sad how the admins passed 2 scandavians teams.. danish admins.. Ukrainian team or Danish/Swedish teams to get upper bracket? Tough choise..
2013-03-30 00:01
you really think danes would want a swedish team to succeed? clueless
2013-03-30 00:02
Still, it's the same as a Ukrainian would pass a Polish team instead of a American, since Ukrainians are kinda friends with Polacs.
2013-03-30 00:05
there have been tens of wars between denmark and sweden through times and today we're rivals in anything possible that is not war related. some swedes still dislike/hate danes and/or denmark and I assume vice versa. the point being that danes wouldn't rather want to see a swedish team succeed than anyone else. fnatic, however..
2013-03-30 00:20
:O Didn't knew there was such a conflict between these two nations.
2013-03-30 00:21
hehe, most scandinavians don't hate each other, but I find it unrealistic that danish organisers would do swedes any friendly favors unless they personally knew each other.
2013-03-30 00:25
This made me truly sad since I'm a bad fan of Na`Vi.. but well.. heads up these things happen to all teams what matters is what will they do.. Give up or keep going!
2013-03-30 00:28
+1 I get that they feel frustrated over the last decision with fnatic/epsilon (the bx3 deal was their own fault imo), but they should've kept going anyway. almost all teams/players who've been in the scene for years have had unfair decisions going against them.
2013-03-30 00:34
+1 As well.
2013-03-30 00:35
Scandanavia or Ukraine?
2013-03-30 00:06
afaik it was a decision between a danish (fnatic) and an ukrainian team.
2013-03-30 00:07
Danmark <3 Sverige
2013-03-30 00:10
haha, are you really that dumb?
2013-03-30 00:12
+111111111111111
2013-03-30 00:00
If the players (like markeloff) want to play but the manager took them out of the tournament than fuck that manager.
2013-03-30 00:00
navi decided to keep playing even after the default win to bx3 which was earlier in the tournament. now that it has negative consequences they wanna cry and leave. if u had such a problem with it to begin with then you should have quit then.
2013-03-30 00:00
#186
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Latvia GekonsCS 
AMEN!
2013-03-30 00:03
stupid kid u r..unfortunately..try to read and understand why
2013-03-30 00:07
becuase navi was late? no other team was..
2013-03-30 00:15
#399
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Israel selukvey 
Their manager wanted them to pull out from the start, but the players wanted to keep play.
2013-03-30 00:21
they bad,but why so sad?
2013-03-30 00:00
stupid navi.. just continue to lower bracket and dont be late as today morning
2013-03-30 00:00
Navi should be banned from competing in this tournament again.
2013-03-30 00:01
haha yes i completely agree with u.. ban them for life
2013-03-30 00:02
Swede guy would be happy, yeah? :D
2013-03-30 06:37
They shouldn't run tournaments. Tons of delay, they lost the invite application of Quantic and offered them free food lmao.
2013-03-30 00:05
CPH lost a lot with this... Heaton should talk them to fix this situation.
2013-03-30 00:01
the fix is a team with many fans can blackmail cph admin for spot in upper bracket? lololol
2013-03-30 00:06
Ahahahaha this is the famous 1.6 team ? What an unprofessional kiss no wonder why 1.6 scene was so low and died Cry me a river one paint switchers. Low as fuck dxd
2013-03-30 00:01
the 1.6 scene is the reason why this website exists. so fuck off.
2013-03-30 00:03
Low and died? Low and died is your english you dumbfuck, you're probably one of those non-skilled saucers that think can play CS. Suicide.
2013-03-30 00:04
From what i can see i dont see "saucers" running and crying because they are in lower. guess they are more professional..
2013-03-30 00:17
No one is crying about nothing, just saying that Phoenixor is just a dumb kid that says that 1.6 scene was low.. LOL If it was low then what is CSGO now?
2013-03-30 00:18
oh the drama!
2013-03-30 00:01
weren't they late? thats their fault....Also they lost to epsilon.....
2013-03-30 00:01
its not about the map lost, they should top the group even with this if you read the cph games cs:go rules
2013-03-30 00:25
OMG
2013-03-30 00:01
I don't blame NaVi or take anything away from them. If they disagree with the tournament and do not wish to participate, let them leave. It's their own money and time and if they feel like CPH is not worth attending anymore then they have the right to leave.
2013-03-30 00:02
navi pulling out because they didnt get the 2-0 win against bx3. well if they consider themselves as contenders to win it they should beat teams like epsilon. they are just making themselves looking foolish as hell pulling out because the admins doesent agree with them.
2013-03-30 00:04
+1
2013-03-30 00:06
fuck the orgs
2013-03-30 00:02
#162
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Sweden BenneDoT 
That is just stupid.
2013-03-30 00:02
wtf?
2013-03-30 00:02
What the actual fuck, so stupid
2013-03-30 00:02
haha
2013-03-30 00:06
lmaoo
2013-03-30 00:07
rofl
2013-03-30 00:08
hahahahahaha
2013-03-30 00:10
:D
2013-03-30 00:23
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA
2013-03-30 00:31
hahah
2013-03-30 02:04
#175
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United Kingdom tomtmh 
fucking sad ,they go all that way, cry about something and leave early
2013-03-30 00:03
Stupid decision imo, a disgrace to the fans. They cant blame the admins for the penalty. Only the manager(or the one that made the call to not stay at the event). Regardless, who would have thought Plan-B could beat Na'Vi?!! Congratulations! Norwegian Scene is really going forward now.
2013-03-30 00:03
that's not because penalty by the rules Na'Vi should've go to upper bracket, but admins changed rules because fnatic started to complain
2013-03-30 00:05
Na'vi wasnt making to the upper bracket either with or without BX3 default win. Learn maths,then we'll talk.
2013-03-30 00:09
Read the rules, three-way tie between Na'Vi, Epsilom and fnatic, they counting mathches between this 3 teams, but as navi won fnatic 2-1, fnatic won eps 2-1 and eps won navi 2-1 they shoul've counted ROUNDS and navi should've been 1st, fnatic 3rd But instead admins just decide that navi will be 3rd because they lost 1 map to norwegians
2013-03-30 00:14
You count round diffrence in matches between the teams in the tie ONLY.
2013-03-30 00:16
YEA fnatic: 16-14 12-16 16-13 16-10 6-16 18-22 it's 84-91 Na'Vi: 13-16 16-12 13-16 10-16 16-6 22-18 it's 90-84
2013-03-30 00:21
and i'm just quoting navi's official statement from their official website
2013-03-30 00:22
If the admins changed the rules, I totally understand the withdrawal. I haven't read the rules myself. Lets get their statement.
2013-03-30 00:28
Yup "If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question." MAPS : navi : 3-0-3 epsilon : 3-0-3 fnatic : 3-0-3 ROUNDS : navi +6 epsilon +1 fnatic -7
2013-03-30 00:32
And the thing is, first admins placed Na'Vi on first place, but after that fnatic didn't agree to that and they just changed it :\
2013-03-30 00:34
cph admins ur fucking stupid
2013-03-30 00:03
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2013-03-30 00:03
NaVi doesn't have a plan-C to beat plan-B, that's why they're out.
2013-03-30 00:03
#185
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Azerbaijan Talley 
Maybe there is something we don't know...
2013-03-30 00:03
and i placed money on navi to win :|
2013-03-30 00:03
wtf
2013-03-30 00:03
its stupid decision by Na'Vi
2013-03-30 00:03
Puss
2013-03-30 00:04
Unprofessional move by Na'Vi no matter what they say. How come EVERYONE arrived on time, but Na'Vi is the only team that arrived 30 minutes later? they were the only team who got false information? I think that's just an excuse. I guess they couldn't control their anger .. but that's just unprofessional.
2013-03-30 00:04
thats not a problem man ! even with this they should go upper brackets from 1st place if u read rules ! so its totally right move
2013-03-30 00:07
grrr
2013-03-30 00:05
pathetic and childish behaviour and not even acceptable. Welcome back to the kindergarden!
2013-03-30 00:04
Childish move, don't see the point of them leaving now, CPH wont stop because of one team, lol :)
2013-03-30 00:05
i'm speachless
2013-03-30 00:05
navi deception
2013-03-30 00:05
Lol ... just lol.... saders
2013-03-30 00:05
mad guyz
2013-03-30 00:05
1st april is in 2 days guys :O
2013-03-30 00:05
HAHAHAHA uninstall CS:GO aswell.
2013-03-30 00:05
#219
Zeus | 
Ukraine korik 
omg, if u think that ukrainians so sad, and crying, coz they must plaey lower bracket - ur minds false. i think it's not a reason
2013-03-30 00:06
This reminds me of Eurovision songcontest. Every eastern european nation defending/voting for each other. In this case Na'Vi.
2013-03-30 00:06
#226
Zeus | 
Ukraine korik 
false*
2013-03-30 00:06
from here we can't imagine how can it be there after thousands of matches all day, but this was a very bad decision anyway...GL in future
2013-03-30 00:06
You have to realize Na`Vi would've won the group according to the rules if it wasn't for the forfeit loss which didn't seem fair. Five hours ago tweet by TaZ: &#8207;Fuck this game, fuck this tournament, peace out.
2013-03-30 00:09
lol'd why they don't even try to play? taz is not satisfied either
2013-03-30 00:06
hahahaha
2013-03-30 00:06
Next news, navi quits csgo
2013-03-30 00:07
#253
Sunde | 
World sfu 
sounds good
2013-03-30 00:08
markeloff installing dota2
2013-03-30 05:31
so why they dont pull out after that default loss ? iT WILL be ok if the go thro to WB but in LB they are pull out hahhaha kidds gonna kid
2013-03-30 00:07
fail ... where is ZEROGRAVITY ?
2013-03-30 00:07
it's actualy Zero's decision to quit!
2013-03-30 00:13
#248
Pieter | 
Netherlands Grifte 
Should have just proved admin wrong and win tournament from lower bracket all the way.
2013-03-30 00:07
#249
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Denmark BATISTUTA9 
If navi were good enough to beat the alledged super onliners Epsilon in a BO3 all this would never have happended.. But... they were not
2013-03-30 00:07
or if fnatic would have won against Navi...
2013-03-30 00:09
#301
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Denmark BATISTUTA9 
Yeah.. Actually stupid thinking about it.. if navi had lost that one clutch round to xyp9x where markeloff surived with 1 hp, they would have accepted their situation, and probably fought to a top 3 finish and take home prize money. They won the match and whined out.!
2013-03-30 00:11
Lol, and if MODDII would not push the lower dark like a dumbass, fnatic wouldn't even claim a 14th round
2013-03-30 06:44
They shouldn't have been late to the event.
2013-03-30 00:08
fuck orgs
2013-03-30 00:08
#262
Spain ef0 
go home noobs.
2013-03-30 00:08
I'm pretty sure that it wasn't players decision to leave,but if they choose that and not their organisation they are so idiots.
2013-03-30 00:09
ghost9 go home :/ dont cry please :/
2013-03-30 00:09
#266
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Venezuela Riikards 
What the fuck
2013-03-30 00:09
Woah heard friis almost smashed the admin for them being placed third in the group but somehow they were right so Na'Vi had to go play lowerbracket. I think it might have something to do with that.
2013-03-30 00:09
lol
2013-03-30 00:10
I say w8 for ESC to lose and then we ll see...
2013-03-30 00:09
navi isnt kings anymore................... stupid people
2013-03-30 00:09
The rest of the thread: <eastern europeans>: BLAH BLAH BLAH BULLSHIT UA BEST COUNTRY, DANE ARE JEALOUS DANISH BASTARD, POLOS STRONK))))))) <everyone else>: lol
2013-03-30 00:10
Navi afraid of plan-B lol by the way cheers to navi! supid org admins
2013-03-30 00:10
i dont understand the rules! why isnt navi upperbracket?
2013-03-30 00:10
Cuz of a computer breakdown they were too late for a game and the admins fucked them.
2013-03-30 00:20
facepalm
2013-03-30 00:10
According to the regulations: consider defeat Navi could be if they played and lost! Administrators have written rules, and legal side they do not understand!
2013-03-30 00:10
wtf seriously, whyyyy
2013-03-30 00:10
it's hard to control people on a that big event. So cphg behavior is understandable. so please stop squirting shit all over.
2013-03-30 00:10
navi wouldn't win shit anyway back to russia colonies
2013-03-30 00:10
Okay, they will go back to "russia colonies" because you Sir want it.
2013-03-30 00:13
they are going back to russia colonies on their own accord ukraine is just a russian colony after all
2013-03-30 00:14
oh, It seems that you have big troubles with Russians :D Now I see why Americans always laugh and making jokes on Polaks)
2013-03-30 06:47
hahahaha fucking retarded. Even if the admin was wrong they shouldnt pull out of tournament. It is like they just want to pull out now because they do not want to show their fans when they loose badly to some "random" team again. Immature by navi!
2013-03-30 00:11
how were admins wrong? it all went according to tournament rules "If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned"
2013-03-30 00:15
I did not mean that the admin WAS wrong, I meant IF they were, but I do not know. That was why i had "even" in beginning. But yes you are probably right.
2013-03-30 00:16
Ahahahahaaahahah oh booyyyyy
2013-03-30 00:11
It's things like this that make the esport scene to look bad for outsiders.
2013-03-30 00:11
Good decision. CPH admins - suck me off!
2013-03-30 00:11
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA WHAT A CRY
2013-03-30 00:11
They made the right decision. CPH has failed, not NaVi
2013-03-30 00:11
get Delpan's team as a replacement :D
2013-03-30 00:12
This affect more the CPH org, then the Na'Vi org. Cuz, top teams will think twice, when cph happens again, this is happenning to Na'Vi, but could have been , to VG,Attax, Anexis,NiP and so on. CPH is going to loose more TOP teams , not only ESC and Na'VI .
2013-03-30 00:13
No reason to watch CPH Games now, gg Navi will still remain the top team there..
2013-03-30 00:13
lol
2013-03-30 00:13
right move guys
2013-03-30 00:13
To the teams of the CIS has always been such an attitude. Na'Vi fed to the teeth
2013-03-30 00:14
Yegor Markelov &#8207;@YegorMarkeloff 16s Dota2 installed...
2013-03-30 00:14
Few words from Na'Vi website and They're manager ZeroGravity: "Such disrespect to the teams gives me a deep sense of disappointment in the contemporary e-sports. I ask the teams that know me and believe in my words, they respect me as a person and trust me as the same functionary eSports think about what was done to us at this time. Next week, Na `Vi initiates e-Sports Team Association together with the top teams of the world. This organization once and for all change the face of modern eSports." It was translated with Google so don't push me please.
2013-03-30 00:14
I dont see anything on navi-gaming.com ?
2013-03-30 00:19
navi is seting up their pcs again lol
2013-03-30 00:14
Smart boys pull out early.
2013-03-30 00:14
fuck u all who says that that is the wrong decision to leave the tournament! try to read and than talk. by the way to those who watch eurovision, fuck u to! despite the fact that i use bad words it us needed in right place in right time
2013-03-30 00:14
So damn childish. Never take a big decision when emotions are in control :)
2013-03-30 00:15
+1
2013-03-30 00:15
NAVI will be playing after all acording to cardred.org
2013-03-30 00:16
that was a statement after the default at 9am
2013-03-30 00:19
cry me a river
2013-03-30 00:16
can someone explain to me what happend?
2013-03-30 00:16
so much DRAMA its almost better than watching them play :D
2013-03-30 00:17
In the rules of the CPH , if 3 teams are tie, just the matchs between this 3 teams count. SO , the map take versus b3x are an another thing. and useless to know the first. normally , its : 1st : NAvi 2nd : epsilon 3rd : fnatic The admins of the lan don't follow them rules.
2013-03-30 00:18
+
2013-03-30 00:21
#429
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Denmark BATISTUTA9 
Because normally not all teams advance from group, its different when all teams advance, then you take all teams into acocunt
2013-03-30 00:24
no. when you dont know what to do you read the rules
2013-03-30 00:28
Now I see what Markeloff meant with "we're gonna bring you a surprise ;)" in his pre-CPH games interview lol.
2013-03-30 00:17
hahahahahhahhahahahaha
2013-03-30 00:19
hahaha brutal
2013-03-30 00:29
some of you people are very stupid but very very stupid why are u still talkin? like navi are wrong they shouldn`t pull out or stuff? IF THE THE RULES OF THIS TOURNAMENT PUT THEM ON 1ST PLACE AND THEY ARE PLAYING ON LB what is this? I THINK THEY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION CPH FAILED , u are beaten by ur own rules f.. morrons.
2013-03-30 00:18
+
2013-03-30 00:20
da fuq navi
2013-03-30 00:18
#379
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Russia d1mh0o0 
fuck admins again and again!
2013-03-30 00:19
I feel an aneurysm coming on from the sheer stupidity in this thread. The number of people suggesting that Na Vi shouldn't have arrived late for their first game is stupefying.
2013-03-30 00:19
UCRYN' ?!?! Bahahahaha!
2013-03-30 00:20
haha awesom
2013-03-30 00:21
It's fine.. What else could they do?
2013-03-30 00:20
weird, I wish they could continue playing.
2013-03-30 00:20
i think the penalty doesnt fit the case. First navi gets a default map only versus the team that they play first. (this gives bx3 unfair advantage in the group. Why didnt fnatic get a default map win vs navi) I think its not a fair penalty not for navi and not for all the other teams in the group. Now because of that they get a very hard time because they must win 2 maps in a row against bx3 and later in the tournament they lose the second place because of that. (Here another weird rule: it is a three-way-tie. ALL of the 3 teams lost against one of the 3 and won over one of the 3 (vinniep)) They counted the maps loss vs bx3 there i guess? or did navi also became third if only the 3 teams counted rounds? i don't know A better solution would be punishing teams by pricemoney (they lose 5/10/15 % of the money they eventually win). In the end navi gets punished for something that didnt actually happen (was it navis fault this tournament is so slow?)
2013-03-30 00:20
WWUUTT ???
2013-03-30 00:21
Navi will take this personally now, great drama inc.
2013-03-30 00:21
danes sucks
2013-03-30 00:22
CPH Games admins too wrong
2013-03-30 00:23
Just heard ZeroGravity's official statement, if everything he said is true then I completely support their decision! Even thouh I'd like see more Na'Vi games...
2013-03-30 00:23
It was already such a big fail to give Bx3 a free map win. That totally destroys the whole group and pretty much everyone in the group has got an disadvantage since it's a free map for Bx3.
2013-03-30 00:24
ahahhaa danes are like rats
2013-03-30 00:24
Alex Kokhanovskyy &#8207;@zerogravity_ua 1m Na`VI to initiate the creation of E-sports Teams Association. NO MORE SUCKERS IN E-SPORTS FROM NOW ON! Finally some decent tournaments are coming up in the future and no more garbage.
2013-03-30 00:24
DAYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM!
2013-03-30 00:25
Okay, I've worked it out for everyone complaining. In normal tie rules, Na'Vi should advance over fnatic: Na'Vi had +8 versus fnatic and Epsilon, Epsilon had +1 versus Na'Vi and fnatic, and fnatic had -7 versus Epsilon and Na'Vi. However, let's assume that Na'Vi's default map loss against BX3 equals 0-16. This shifts the round differences substantially: overall, Epsilon had +17, fnatic had +16, and Na'Vi had +8. So whether you look at it in the way of round difference or map difference, Na'Vi indeed should have been sent down to the lower bracket. QED
2013-03-30 00:25
Rounds might counting between 3 teams.
2013-03-30 00:27
Only if a tie existed in the first place. Looking at overall round difference, there was never a tie to begin with.
2013-03-30 00:28
#460
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Latvia GekonsCS 
lawyered!
2013-03-30 00:28
well. Will you also count rounds in the other groups to decide the positions on this lol ? ONLY teams which compete the positions should count their rounds. WTF with the organization??? POOR
2013-03-30 00:30
Oh, I almost forgot: The tournament administrators reserve the right to alter any regulation at any time before or during the event if it is considered necessary. Any such alteration or addition will be announced clearly in these regulations on CopenhagenGames.com and at the venue. Copenhagen Games have a section built into the official rules that gives them sovereignty to change the rules at their own discretion. That sort of puts the nail in the coffin.
2013-03-30 01:04
bye bye cphgames !
2013-03-30 00:26
#671
REAL | 
Norway duffz00r 
bye?
2013-03-30 02:40
From the start of the tournament for Natus Vincere is a headache. Initially, the staff reported championship manager Natus Vincere, the players need to be in the tournament at 10 am, and later it turned out that I had to come an hour earlier. When the team arrived at the event, it turned out that one of the computers is not working and needs to be changed, which resulted in a delay of game "our fault" and, Natus Vincere could have been applied any of the following penalties:   - Warning (See next title) - 3 round loss or more - Default loss   Of the three options for Natus Vincere was used very hard, but other games also detained and for the tournament is the same sanction was applied only to another team, ironically it also became the team of the CIS - Nostalgie. Despite the defeat of the first map team Natus Vincere won the remaining two, and earned their three points.   Trouble again overtook Natus Vincere, but by the end of the day. In our group, there is a fairly commonplace for eSports situation - three members are arguing for an exit in the playoffs. Under the rules of the tournament (a screenshot is in the wording) in such cases initially included personal meetings, then due on the cards, and if it is impossible to determine the order of exit in the playoffs, then consider the rounds. All of these activities are carried out only between the teams competing for the output, outsiders do not count.   As for reaching the playoffs from our group argued three teams, identify places in the private meetings was not possible, as well as all games between Natus Vincere, Fnatic and Epsilon score was on the cards 2-1 or 1-2, the decisive word had the counting rounds. According to this index to come first Natus Vincere, are followed by Fnatic, and Epsilon in third place in the group and go to the bottom of the net.   This decision was confirmed by the judges, but after management Natus Vincere left judges them in half an hour discussion, which is rumored to present players Fnatic and Epsilon, the decision was made that, in our case will be considered no matches between the teams contending for access , and in general all the games in the group, then there is also the first game Natus Vincere, where judges assigned us forfeit the first map.   Taking into account the incompetence of tournament management reporting Natus Vincere wrong time the tournament starts, as well as the hostile attitude of judges, we have no choice but to leave the tournament early. Here is what says about Natus Vincere director Alexander "ZeroGravity" Kochanowski:  Such disrespect to the teams gives me a deep sense of disappointment in the contemporary e-sports.I ask the teams that know me and believe in my words, they respect me as a person and trust me as the same functionary eSports think about what was done to us at this time.  Next week, Na `Vi initiates e-Sports Team Association together with the top teams of the world. This organization once and for all change the face of modern eSports.   We apologize to all my fans, but when the rules are so grossly violated by those who are supposed to meet, it makes a mockery of the tournament, and Natus Vincere no intention to participate.
2013-03-30 00:26
no they just fucked up the times and are using there status to get fanboys to defend them, every other team managed to show up on time and the excuses navi made about being late are horseshit as if the supposedly showed up early they would of seen all the other teams getting ready, so get off the dick and accept that navi are a bunch of 2 year olds
2013-03-30 00:30
Tnx! didn't manage to translate all the stuff Zero said in his statement! ...what I missed is that U realy pay for renting PC's and when they don't work properly it's still ur fault - nonsense!!!!!! F*CK U CPH!!!!
2013-03-30 00:32
repost it few times so everybody notice that.
2013-03-30 00:36
NO CLASS look at what quantic had to endure and they still show up to beast it in the qualifier.
2013-03-30 00:26
Cph Games FAIL!
2013-03-30 00:27
buuuuuuhuuuuuuuuu enjoy the trip home
2013-03-30 00:27
Alex Kokhanovskyy &#8207;@zerogravity_ua 2m Na`VI to initiate the creation of E-sports Teams Association. NO MORE SUCKERS IN E-SPORTS FROM NOW ON!
2013-03-30 00:27
Na'vi need to get the fuck over themselves and just play the lower bracket, oh you lost a map because you were late so what, oh a decision didn't go your way boo fucking hoo(shit happens), how about you sack the fuck up and and stop expecting a free ride and win the lb and prove you are any fucking good at this game you fucking 2 year olds.
2013-03-30 00:27
They pulled out because ADMINS CHANGED RULES IN FAVOUR OF FNATIC Is that sounds fair enough to you?
2013-03-30 00:29
I know what happened, and no it's not you dont see quantic pulling out because they had to play the qualifier when they should of been invited to the main tourney, navi simply need to get over themselves, they have an opportunity that most of us would kill to have and they should be making the most of it not raging and having a hissy fit because they had some bad decisions go against them , this could of been their chance to show how good they are coming from the LB to win, but instead they went the justin bieber route
2013-03-30 00:33
forget it
2013-03-30 00:37
I see what you mean and kinda agree with you But still, changing the rules in favour of fnatic just because they asked is fucking unfair
2013-03-30 00:37
i highly doubt they changed the rules because fnatic asked it(like really its cs not the uefa), and i never said the decision was fair, navi just showed how much class they really have
2013-03-30 00:40
Yea, i wonder what could be if navi stayed and won the tournament It would've been epic But they chose to pull out...well, too bad :(
2013-03-30 00:47
how about you understand the problem first and then write another shitty comment?
2013-03-30 00:31
I do understand what happened, they should of gone through based on cph rule-set but they didn't, so what they should just sack up and play the fucking lower bracket, which they should consider themselves lucky as they would get spanked in the upper bracket and end in the LB anyway as they are playing dogshit at this tourny
2013-03-30 00:35
Ok just let them do whatever they want to us, kick us, shit on us. We should just finish the tournament because we are luckier than dancing panda.
2013-03-30 00:56
you know you can do something after the fact yeah? play out the tourney then kick all the stink you want, but oh wait we are navi and have all the fanboys to defend us
2013-03-30 01:02
#603 said all i wanted to say.
2013-03-30 01:06
Have you ever heard of pride? Any team that has at least a bit of respect towards themselves would do the same. It is not a random team of 5 guys who came to play for fun or something. It's a professional team who came for results. I mean a team like Na`Vi is not gonna just stay with an "OKAYFACE" and watch how the organizers are changing the rules in favor of other teams. It is not what they were coming for, all the way from Ukraine and be treated like that. Things are not done this way, that's it.
2013-03-30 01:03
this wasn't pride it was arrogance, if they had any pride they would of playedon and made it to the end of the LB and played in the final, look at any sporting event you don't see teams walking off the field because the ref made a bad called
2013-03-30 01:10
If they played on they would've been swallowing their pride.
2013-03-30 02:27
#453
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up 
Hats off to Na'Vi for their actions. Screw Cph Games, we all know you're one of the top 10 CS:GO teams.
2013-03-30 00:28
admins don't follow their own rules...lousy tournament.
2013-03-30 00:29
By participating in the tournament the players accept with no reservations all of the above and below mentioned regulations and that any decision made by the tournament administrators during the tournament may at any time supersede these regulations.
2013-03-30 00:37
this is not serious for the big tournament.
2013-03-30 00:56
a good sportsmen respects the referee decision, even when it is not in favor of his team
2013-03-30 01:03
biased referee = good ?
2013-03-30 05:34
where i say this?
2013-03-30 14:32
"If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question." MAPS : navi : 3-0-3 epsilon : 3-0-3 fnatic : 3-0-3 ROUNDS : navi +6 epsilon +1 fnatic -7
2013-03-30 00:29
question is: what do they mean by saying "points"?
2013-03-30 00:31
+1
2013-03-30 00:31
+1 everybody understands this, but how in the hell CPH manage to give Navi 3rd spot??? its ludicrous! astonishing! unbelievable!
2013-03-30 00:33
they counted 'maps' as points, it's really not that hard to understand
2013-03-30 00:37
what I dont understand is how they first counted round difference, but after fnatic and epsilon talk with admins they changed how to judge? This is what I dont understand, do you? If you do, please explain.
2013-03-30 00:39
most likely they dont want to count round difference since all 30 rounds were not played in all maps
2013-03-30 02:46
robbed.
2013-03-30 00:29
Now i understand when Markeloff mention on the interview that they are gonna bring "us" a surprise. Well, tbh it surprised me for sure :)
2013-03-30 00:31
haha
2013-03-30 00:46
#672
REAL | 
Norway duffz00r 
haha :)))
2013-03-30 02:41
ahahah :p
2013-03-30 05:37
Biggest admins fail ever. Na'Vi should take 1-st place in group, and admins have approved this, but later they change the rules for them and placed them for 3-rd. WTF?
2013-03-30 00:30
Alex Kokhanovskyy &#8207;@zerogravity_ua 6m Na`VI to initiate the creation of E-sports Teams Association. NO MORE SUCKERS IN E-SPORTS FROM NOW ON! I wonder if they'll encourage teams to turn up on time because delays and late games is the worst part of eSports for spectators.
2013-03-30 00:31
NaVi: 90-84 Epsilon: 87-86 fnatic: 84-91 lyl
2013-03-30 00:31
VERY POOR ORGANIZATION THANK YOU!
2013-03-30 00:31
Right decision. respect!
2013-03-30 00:32
harsh but +1
2013-03-30 00:32
I dont understand why so many people laughs at NaVi and call them pussies etc.. I think that they had rights to that decision. To show that they dont agree with admin's decision. It's like you would came to work and your boss said "I cut your salary 50% from today" and you replied "ok boss, you rule here." NaVi had balls and said "sorry, but I quit"
2013-03-30 00:32
I wanna hear few words from CPH Games please.
2013-03-30 00:32
Maaan, i just briefly went through some of the comments and how come theres so many haters :0 ? ...and most are wondering why theyre pulling out still...they are pulling out cause they were at the event on the time 10 oclock that they were told by the organizers to be at, but apparently organizers decided that they were supposed to arrive earlier than that, so navi are frusterated for a good reason because by having that default map in their pocket they would secure themselves the spot in the upper bracket so obviouslyits notright and of corse the second reasonwould be the fact that they did realize they are not well prepared yet for such tournaments after todays performance, so i guess its a good decision for them to depart now and this way they leavig eceryone with guesses about what would happen if they stayed and would they be able to reach a top spot at the event and this way now with them pulling out after group stage noone would call them bad cause now u never know what would happen in the lowerbracket. So in some way its a smart move to go hone now but get prepared better for the next event and sure theyll be in shape and ready to rip everyone. I smell a pay back by them for what has happened today :) damn 10 minutes of typing all that ob the iphone :0
2013-03-30 00:32
kids.....
2013-03-30 00:32
Admins are wrong btw ;) oi47.tinypic.com/bfqqg0.jpg
2013-03-30 00:32
how navi get 3rd? this is madness
2013-03-30 00:35
It was based on map wins only. Na'Vi lost because they forfeited the first game.
2013-03-30 00:36
but admin fail
2013-03-30 00:38
I don't know the full story. Sucks for Na'Vi fans obviously.
2013-03-30 00:40
"If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question." odd they go for maps instead :p
2013-03-30 00:41
maybe the defalut loss count as a 16-0
2013-03-30 00:46
"by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned" BX3 not concerned, this is what people go nuts, and think CPH admins really fishy.
2013-03-30 01:17
how can you argue about points-difference when not all 30 rounds where played in any match?
2013-03-30 01:11
Not up to me to argue with my admin colleagues, their call was not based on the provided rules. _if_ point differential means rounds ;p
2013-03-30 01:20
How can you count map difference when all maps were not played? By your logic, fnatic and epsilon should have played 3rd map vs BX3 to determine true map difference?
2013-03-30 01:43
they count BX3 games too dont know why but they do
2013-03-30 00:38
Pasha will show the admins his biceps and the admins, total nerds, will be so afraid and offer NaVi a spot in the upperbracket. Heard it here first.
2013-03-30 00:36
#545
Sunde | 
World sfu 
:D jokes about pasha are always funny
2013-03-30 00:42
So that's it for me. Turning off the streams and boycotting this event. Having hissy fits. ^_^
2013-03-30 00:39
navi you have let ur fans down with this desicion. u should of continued and show the world that u are the best team in the world and defeated everyone. this just showss that u are afraid
2013-03-30 00:37
By participating in the tournament the players accept with no reservations all of the above and below mentioned regulations and that any decision made by the tournament administrators during the tournament may at any time supersede these regulations. So navi fanboiz stop to reporte my comment! you are wrong low hormon
2013-03-30 00:38
hello sauce
2013-03-30 00:39
nop, CZ is my favoured game
2013-03-30 00:41
now you are my favourite person
2013-03-30 03:10
so that line, makes all ur rules invalid. Why do you even bother to make rules then? This was an action (pointed out literally in the rule with according penalty). Why change the penalty for no good reason. This shit smells
2013-03-30 00:41
maybe you dont agree with this rules, however, navi was agree with this. "By participating in the tournament the players accept with no reservations"
2013-03-30 00:44
It is only made so if CPHG fucks up with their ruleset, they can just sit back and say that line, and its np from their side.
2013-03-30 01:29
This doesn't matter dude, the decision indeed overruled the rules. This is not contested. But the fact that magically when one of the best danish team is concerned, the rules are changed in favor of this one, makes it just awful for an event like this :). I'm not a Na'Vi fan, and I do think that their decision of leaving is also ridiculous, but the admins' decision is ruining the credibility of this event. Sad.
2013-03-30 00:44
yes dude, i also do not agree with decision of the admin. however, it is not "against the organs own rules", as many fanboyz are telling
2013-03-30 00:46
soo if admins would've decided that to win match you need to win 10 rounds, not 16, players should've accepted it? xd
2013-03-30 00:45
this is what they agree, when they play in the cph tournament.
2013-03-30 00:46
well, it's kinda stupid then even if navi wrong, i think any other team would've done same, when admins just screwing you like that it's not really players fault
2013-03-30 00:51
still, i belief it is a bad sportsmenship, to pull out. i like to see navi playing, however now i cannot. i do not agree with the admin decision but this things happen sometimes. navi have dissapoint me by pull out. i belief them to have the power to win the cph games, and now, nothing
2013-03-30 00:53
yea, I actually agree with your point
2013-03-30 00:58
navi could have gone for the full victory and would have became legends. they didn't :<
2013-03-30 00:38
na´vi GG and good job.....good response to unfair rules...
2013-03-30 00:39
navi u let ur fans down with this desicion
2013-03-30 00:40
false,we not down...cause this decision are opinion about administrators of tournament,how wrong his work and injustice what happen with NaVi,and all this because they are not f"ckin Fnatic and don´t talk whit admins to cheat his decision :X (if is difficult to understand.... sorry for my English)
2013-03-30 16:03
Now Cph Games lost 30% of viewers
2013-03-30 00:40
>50%
2013-03-30 00:43
#574
FalleN | 
World MangQo 
now i won`t see any game, maybe only grand final ..without navi don`t have any sense
2013-03-30 00:49
Sad.
2013-03-30 00:42
Doesnt matter who the fuck got thrown in the lowerbracket. If it was Fnatic, they would have been mad aswell, and argue that they had the MAP difference, while NaVi had round. All this would not have happend if NaVi could show up in time, and not 10:15.
2013-03-30 00:42
Ukryinn'
2013-03-30 00:42
They should've done that immediatly after the default loss. (assuming Caff's story was true, not just PR bullshit) *inb4 "Na`Vi fanboy"*
2013-03-30 00:43
fail tournament with a fail game
2013-03-30 00:43
no no.....fail admins :X
2013-03-30 16:06
I hope they get banned from future CPH events.
2013-03-30 00:44
Oh okay
2013-03-30 00:44
FUCK NAVI! IS GOOD DEcision
2013-03-30 00:44
navi-gaming.com/news_show.php?news_id=13.. - official Na`Vi statement in English.
2013-03-30 00:47
#573
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Ukraine gungrave 
2013-03-30 00:48
map difference makes much more sense than round difference, i'm not sure why all these kids are crying. round difference effectively comes down to who can win knife rounds, whereas map difference actually has some value in determining the relative skill of the teams. oh, you won a knife fight on nuke or train? have first place in round difference!
2013-03-30 00:50
#580
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Ukraine gungrave 
yeah 2-1 2-1 2-1 much more sense
2013-03-30 00:53
Logic is strong with this one.
2013-03-30 00:56
you just went full retard, never go full retard.
2013-03-30 00:57
n1 brain broken
2013-03-30 00:59
you must be joking
2013-03-30 01:04
especially when you dont play all 30 rounds - which no one complains about since that would take like 2 more days... thats why I find all this very funny...
2013-03-30 01:07
How can you count map difference when all maps were not played? By your logic, fnatic and epsilon should have played 3rd map vs BX3 to determine true map difference?
2013-03-30 01:50
^ +1
2013-03-30 05:35
doesnt matter what makes more sense, what matters is what's in the rule book. the rule book states rounds difference is more important and therefore navi should advance as 1st
2013-03-30 01:22
LOL :D
2013-03-30 02:55
#579
United Kingdom wap 
I think it is pretty obvious CPH made a mistake. However Na'vi still did a pretty poor move, and I don't think you people should defend their move. It is understandable yes, but that does not mean it is professional. If you believe it is, you are just being biased.
2013-03-30 00:53
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2013-03-30 00:56
Cph LOL
2013-03-30 00:56
"Next week Na`Vi will start the creation of an e-Sports Team Association together with other prominent teams. This organization will drastically change the face of modern e-Sports from the very first day of its creation." :grabspopcorn:
2013-03-30 00:56
LMAO
2013-03-30 01:00
yay! go home navi, the only person i like on the team is markeloff.
2013-03-30 00:58
maybe now navi will learn to arrive on time first time ive seen a real life rage quit
2013-03-30 00:59
poor for CPH games orgs to not stand for their rules and change rules when they want.
2013-03-30 00:59
change of rules? NaVi changed the rules, and they changed it back... (They listened to NaVi, and then they changed it back)
2013-03-30 01:06
#616
Denmark 3k2 
No, the problem is that the rule was extremely vague in the first place - a problem that has always been present at cph games. Every year admins have to basically decide whether this or that team wins a match, because their ruleset is shitty.
2013-03-30 01:10
I agree that vague statements might be the cause of this - whoever I still believe that map-difference is better than round-difference based on the fact that not all 30 rounds where played. EDIT: and it being a vague statement has nothing to do about changing rules, that actual counteractes the original argument, which is purely based on opinion.
2013-03-30 01:15
How can you count map difference when all maps were not played? By your logic, fnatic and epsilon should have played 3rd map vs BX3 to determine true map difference?
2013-03-30 01:51
that is i am talking about. create clear rules for most of small moments and that's it. judges decided teams positions in group - this is very sad.
2013-03-30 01:42
well, from navi's official site, - "according to the rules (which they have a screenshot of), the result of the match between concerned teams should be decisive, then following by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned, and then rounds should be taken into account if the decider still hasn't been found. It is clearly said that the results between the teams concerned are taken into account, ignoring the group outsiders." simply set up rules before tournament, publish them and don't touch during games
2013-03-30 01:37
if thats the true, I dont understand the admins decision
2013-03-30 01:40
copenhagengames.com/page/rules-komplett-.. If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question.
2013-03-30 01:44
if "points differential" means map-difference they all tie anyways - and since not all 30 rounds whre played they cannot really look into that. Honestly I see the dilemma...
2013-03-30 01:56
it seems like points differential is difference in rounds in all matches. anyway it's also unfair. other way to decide it - play re-matches among three teams bo1 all 30 rounds
2013-03-30 02:14
NaVi dont understand the admins decision too .... cause this they pull out of Cph...cause this injustice
2013-03-30 16:12
"Next week Na`Vi will start the creation of an e-Sports Team Association together with other prominent teams. This organization will drastically change the face of modern e-Sports from the very first day of its creation." looking forward!
2013-03-30 01:02
They just made many haters very happy. But good decision, they're making a stand. When you read the comments it becomes clear, who will be pushovers in life, letting some nerds walk over them just to earn some money. No principles, no dignity. Keep laughing, but you're not the ones who are on top ;)
2013-03-30 01:07
neither are navi
2013-03-30 01:09
Yegor Markelov &#8207;@YegorMarkeloff Dota2 installed...
2013-03-30 01:08
i would've done the same. wtf is this? you bend the rules as you please? i see in the comments that a lot of guys are writing stuff like "childish/unprofessional/bad manners". i think that those guys did not understand exactly what happened, and if you did understand and still are skeptical regarding navi's decision then you are dumb and without pride. have some pride, for the love of god!
2013-03-30 01:13
They could of won the whole thing from the Lower Bracket... It's not impossible, but I guess they are either not confident in themselves, or so arrogant that they rather literally 'rage quit'.
2013-03-30 01:16
unlikely with bo1
2013-03-30 01:18
weird ass decision, the rules even state that it's about rounds and not maps so according to the rules, navi should advance as 1st, no arguing possible
2013-03-30 01:17
The rules also states "By participating in the tournament the players accept with no reservations all of the above and below mentioned regulations and that any decision made by the tournament administrators during the tournament may at any time supersede these regulations."
2013-03-30 01:20
so youre implying admins are allowed to do whatever they want, who cares if teams payed a lot of money to come there and compete? the part you quoted should be used in situations where that would make sense
2013-03-30 02:32
#627
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Poland kiero 
counting the differences in rounds in time when don't play 30 rounds is not fair
2013-03-30 01:20
counting the differences in maps between teams NOT CONCERNED is even more weird and unfair I hope CPH give official explanation or statement about this.
2013-03-30 01:26
#638
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Poland kiero 
NOT CONCERNED? they can compare a performance each team against BX3 of course lost map by default shouldn't have that matter
2013-03-30 01:40
How can you count map difference when all maps were not played? By your logic, fnatic and epsilon should have played 3rd map vs BX3 to determine true map difference?
2013-03-30 01:53
admins... what else
2013-03-30 01:23
If some ppls in this thread not trolling just for the "fun" mad hating purpose, then they should just know its the point in Life were you just take a good fucking long and serious stare at your face in the mirror. WP Natus Vincere ! really hope to see your attendance soon at a better place.. in my eyes you are growing even more after this.
2013-03-30 01:40
i dont like NaVi team. But thumbs up guys, u preserve your honor. Nice decision.
2013-03-30 01:41
go drown your sorrows in vodka mates
2013-03-30 01:50
LoooooL
2013-03-30 01:52
OMG THEY RUIN MY DREAMTEAM, Na'Vi im disappoint!
2013-03-30 01:57
well somebody have to put a limit to CPH foolish and Na'Vi is a Great team to make it really gj Guys , Screw CPH
2013-03-30 02:04
I hope they will not disband their team after that. Team was very motivated to crush every team at CPH games, but unfortunetaly this kind of bshit happened with them. In my point of view, career in one working place for 2-4y. is very OK, moreover Zeuz have little child. Ohh..good luck NaVi
2013-03-30 02:09
"Such a disrespectful approach towards the teams causes me to feel an utmost disappointment in modern e-Sports", says Natus Vincere CEO Alexander "ZeroGravity" Kokhanovsky. I ask all the teams who know me as an individual and trust me as e-Sports functionary to think about the treatment we received this very time. Next week Na`Vi initiates the creation of e-Sports Team Association together with other prominent teams. This organization will drastically change the face of modern e-Sports from the very first day of its creation." can't wait to see this
2013-03-30 02:10
#659
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Poland kiero 
trade union when the strike?
2013-03-30 02:25
mimimi c'mon just play this shitty lower bracket
2013-03-30 02:18
I may be wrong, but I think he'll be back to CS:GO when all this mess will cool down a bit ^^.
2013-03-30 02:46
Of course, lol.
2013-03-30 03:01
#673
REAL | 
Norway duffz00r 
cya, laters navi!
2013-03-30 02:44
Hatz0rs finally have something to feel happy about
2013-03-30 02:51
This is one of the reasons e-sports isnt big yet. Especially not in the FPS scene.
2013-03-30 02:51
NaVi is retarded. They lost the map because they were 45 minutes late. Rules even say that. How is that unfair? Would have happened to everyone else. They even waited 30 minutes extra for you guys to arrive lol Admins said in a danish interview that markeloff had posted on his twitter that they were ready for lowerbracket or something, so what the fuck happened? Also its quite funny to see every ukrainian on this site thinks its the admins fault, but everyone else doesnt. I dont know though, lurppis said NaVi actually arrived on time (according to Quantic). Whether thats true or not I dont know, but if it is, why would they take one map away???
2013-03-30 03:03
#684
REAL | 
Norway duffz00r 
yeh lol indeed
2013-03-30 03:02
PC crushed its so sad story
2013-03-30 03:12
What?
2013-03-30 03:12
Organizer told them to wait 1h and then they gave them broken PCs...
2013-03-30 03:21
NaVi rented a PC from CPH and it didn't work when they got to their match on time. Took 30 min to fix, and CPH gave them a default loss for taking so long, when it was CPH's PC that caused the problem, not NaVi. That's what I heard, and why NaVi are upset.
2013-03-30 03:30
Man you should first read then write. organizers told them time is 10:00 which is actually 9:00 and got a hour to prepare so they haven`t preparation time and also one of the pc is broken ofc it takes time to get another don`t think its unfair again when they count round they counted auto lose map
2013-03-30 03:31
What the fuck are you talking about? Time is 10:00 but its actually 9:00? When you are in Denmark, you are following the danish timezone. They came to the admins at 9:00 and asked when they should be ready to play, and the admins told them by 10:00. They arrived 10:14, one minute before (according to the rules) they would have lost the map. So even if CPH games wouldn't have given them "broken computers", they still wouldnt have made it in time. Also, they waited an extra 30 minutes for them to join and they didnt. Sure, maybe they gave them PCs that didnt work too well or whatever, but they STILL wouldnt have made it according to the rules. CPHG just gave them half an hour to fix it. Check the rules: &#65533; 1 All matches must start no later than 5 minutes after the announced starting time. They arrived 10:14, already 9 minutes too late.
2013-03-30 04:13
all in all they gave them broken pc with auto lose thats all
2013-03-30 04:34
All in all they would have lost whether they gave them broken PCs or not, according to the rules. ;)
2013-03-30 05:09
why defending them its such a horrible rule then have a good day sir! nothing to much to say about it.
2013-03-30 05:31
Not defending them, it was just the best decision (logically speaking)
2013-03-30 05:50
#694
Sunde | 
World sfu 
2013-03-30 03:18
#704
2013-03-30 04:10
navi epic fail
2013-03-30 03:00
Team Association , that would be nice, but i dont see it that easy... Anyway this would raise the level of professionalism on esports.
2013-03-30 03:07
#689
REAL | 
Norway duffz00r 
fanboyism inc
2013-03-30 03:11
Sucks.
2013-03-30 03:19
fail of the week
2013-03-30 03:47
How many times Fnatic use rules to win! Respect to NAVI!
2013-03-30 04:00
use cheat rules.....cause rules was edited like fnatic want Doble-Respect to NAVI! XD
2013-03-30 16:17
copenhagengames.com/page/rules-komplett-.. Just read the rules, what's a fuck org!
2013-03-30 04:07
so many retarded fanboys and just idiots rounds can't be counted without playing 30 rounds of each map. we are in 2013 and people still don't get it.
2013-03-30 04:30
30 rounds were canceled by ESL some years ago because it's awful. Nobody play seriously after after first 16 winrounds. But still difference were counted by rounds
2013-03-30 15:49
this is why u need a contingency plan
2013-03-30 05:11
I don't really follow CS anymore, but I have seen the same group related problems at least a dozen times in past major tournaments. I have no idea why they don't do what Korean SC tournaments have done for years, that is, each group of 4 teams plays in a mini bracket. It would have looked like this... (matches according to who played first) NaVi > BX3 [NaVi to winners, BX3 to losers) fnatic > epsilon (fnatic to winners, epsilon to losers) NaVi > fnatic [NaVi advances, fnatic to losers] epsilon > BX3 [epsilon now plays fnatic, BX3 finishes in fourth] fnatic > epsilon [fnatic = 2nd, epsilon = 3rd] Final Standings: NaVi - 2/0 fnatic - 2/1 epsilon - 1/2 BX3 - 0/2 You never have any group related ties or any of the nonsense that has plagued CS for the decade or so I have paid attention. The history of CS is a history full of awful tournament admins.
2013-03-30 05:24
Dumb move by NaVi regardless of if they are right and wrong.. Who needs who more, navi needing cph or cph needing navi? And they aren't gonna change any other teams opinion about the event itself because all teams are concerned about is making money at only a handful of events. Teams will always follow the money, otherwise this tourney would be 1.6 not Cs:go.
2013-03-30 05:46
Very true. I wouldnt be surprised to see NaVi show up at next years Copenhagen Games.
2013-03-30 05:54
good decision by NaVi, if somebody fuck up his own rules thats means we need to pull out
2013-03-30 06:06
Winners never quit and quitters never win. Bye bye idiots!
2013-03-30 07:29
#819
Other si 
28 years omg man.. I thought that only sweden kids can be so blind.. If NIP would be robbed like NAVI now , i bet you would cry here as 7 year old girl:D
2013-04-01 10:54
#755
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India c0rvus 
"Next week Na`Vi will start the creation of an e-Sports Team Association together with other prominent teams. This organization will drastically change the face of modern e-Sports from the very first day of its creation." what is he talking about ??
2013-03-30 07:58
saaaaaaaaad wanted to see them in playoffs :((((((
2013-03-30 08:39
this wouldn't had happened if it was a 1.6 tournament
2013-03-30 09:06
#766
United Kingdom m0o 
"After much deliberation, it was decided that the map difference would be the criterion to use, like it is stated in the rules" RULES RULES RULES! NAVI cry less, play by and accept the rules Try not to be late in future then you won't forfeit stupid maps. Only have themselves to blame and tbh ZeroGravity is the only whining girl in all of this.
2013-03-30 09:50
Navi are making fools out themselfs...
2013-03-30 10:18
indeed
2013-03-30 14:54
Next time... be on time ffs. If i remember right from 1.6 times, they were allways like this also showing up late etc etc. Suits them well.
2013-03-30 10:20
I would do the same.. so disrespectful for them..
2013-03-30 12:06
and what they have done, to get respect in this game?
2013-03-30 14:40
they progressed so damn quick.. and they have big history
2013-03-30 15:31
in cs:go they have no wins
2013-03-30 17:42
i pulled out once..
2013-03-30 12:15
used to like navi but they always crying about the ruels and admins. You can always get diffrent results from a three way tie depending what they base the resault on. sometimes its in your favour and sometimes against you, live with it. If they wont end up in this kind of situations no one forbade them to win thier maps in the groupstage. this behavour is what i call bad losers!
2013-03-30 12:38
Unprofessional.
2013-03-30 14:07
Hello guys, We are looking for a brave Dane who would help us to translate some of CS:GO related discussion between admins / fnatic during our last night's incident at Copenhagen Games 2013. If you can help us, please PM me with your skype and I'll show you the videos. We will publish the videos at youtube.com/natusvinceretv once we are done with DK -> EN translation!
2013-03-30 14:34
CPH admins have done nothing wrong.
2013-03-30 15:42
If this would have been an ESL tournament, people would flame them instead of na'vi
2013-03-30 16:17
most are flame cph games
2013-03-30 17:42
I think it's good the big organizations are going to stick together, it can only make things better in the future. As for the admins, as soon as you change your mind, every decision you make afterwards is false.
2013-03-31 14:38
I can remember outrageous case that happened during Xperia Play 2011 (CPH games event for cs 1.6 community). Orgas put the caster next to the mTw palyers. During semifinal map mTw vs Frag eXecutors that guy has been showing to danish players stream without delay. When polish guys found out about this: *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : to all you guys watching *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : there was a guy *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : sitting next to mtw guys *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : showing them stream *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : ... *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : GG *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : DENMARK match was paused and admins asked caster to turn the monitor to the other side (as said caster sl4m, who were informed by a reporter Lexx). DEMO LINK: hltv.org/?pageid=28&comments=1&demoid=10.. This is one more fact, that CHPG admins are unprofessional and prejudiced. i realize about navi's fail. anyway it's a cause to stop admins' despotism on the tourneys.
2013-03-31 16:47
2013-04-01 11:46
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