Admin comments on Na´Vi dropout

Following Natus Vincere's decision to pull out of Copenhagen Games, we caught up with head admin Louise Vestergaard for a reaction to the news.

The Ukrainian giants stunned fans and critics alike on Friday evening when they abandon the CS:GO tournament before the playoffs over the admins' decision to keep them as the third-placed side of Group B.

Na´Vi stated that, following a three-way tie with fnatic and Epsilon, the group standings should be determined by the round difference of the tied teams, and not the map difference.

After much deliberation, it was decided that the map difference would be the criterion to use, like it is stated in the rules, which left Na´Vi fuming as they were thrown into the Lower Bracket.

In a statement issued by Alexander "ZeroGravity" Kokhanovsky, the Na´Vi CEO described the admins' treatment of his team "disrespectful" and revealed that he plans on creating an association along with other professional organisations to "change the face of modern e-Sports".

Contacted by HLTV.org, Cph Games head admin Louise Vestergaard stated that the admins were very lenient towards Na´Vi and that they simply followed the rules.

"This morning, Na´Vi showed up at 9 and asked our receptionists when the matches started," she told HLTV.org. "They were told it was at 10, and at 10:14 they showed up at the venue to collect their rented PCs and set up to play.

"We told them they had 15 minutes, which meant we would wait for them for 30 minutes to set up and get ready, or they would lose the first map.

"Since they did not get ready, they got the message that they had lost the first map against BX3 and that the second map would start at 11. So in the end, we waited one hour for them to be ready.

"As stated in the rules, tiebreakers are solved as follows, using Na´Vi's group as an example:

  • Tiebreaker 1: W-L-T in head to head (2 points for Na´Vi, Fnatic and Epsilon, which means they are equal);
  • Tiebreaker 2:  Point differential in head to head (They all have the same differential, being 0);
  • Tiebreaker3:  Point differential in all series (Na´Vi were the only team to lose a map against BX3, which is why they placed third in the group).

"This is why we had to bring in the results against BX3. Since both fnatic and Epsilon had won 2-0 against them, and Na´Vi had lost a map against them due to being late, the Ukrainians ended up placing third in the group.

"We explained this to the two involved teams, Fnatic and Na´Vi, and both teams were very professional and agreed with us. Sadly, after this we got contacted by Na´Vi's manager, who told us he had been in contact with their organization and that they were not satisfied with our decision. They chose to leave the tournament. I am sorry to see Na´Vi go, and I am sure they could have done a great job in the lower bracket."

they mad
2013-03-30 03:51
didn`t mention about broken pc?
2013-03-30 04:32
#44
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Iceland yannay 
+1
2013-03-30 04:40
how do we even know there was a broken pc? It could just be an excuse from navi to try to get sympathy...
2013-03-30 05:02
how do we even know copenhagen exists?
2013-03-30 07:51
wow dude
2013-03-30 10:59
hahahha, nice one.
2013-03-30 11:33
+++++++++111111111111111111 actually, i just know that cph is a place instead of a person or company.....
2013-03-30 16:57
o_O
2013-03-31 20:29
never seen Na`vi like that they always been in trouble with Airport and handled well. On Na`vi`s side it may be little bit impatient. But organizers should be more responsibility this action. I mean talk and handle don`t spread these drama
2013-03-30 07:55
If they have been there on time, they could have tested the pc first, instead of all this
2013-03-30 10:57
really don`t know, i read that zerogravity`s statement and also lurppis and some people were there they said something and as my own perspective i made these conclusion
2013-03-30 11:04
+1
2013-03-30 14:02
hahaha :D
2013-04-02 10:37
A broken PC is an excuse for being late in your opinion? If it was broken they should have inform the organizers and would not loose a map.
2013-03-30 10:16
Ummm are you retarded or have you not actually read up on the situation? CPH games supplied the rental PCs. One of the rentals was shit and navi was penalized for the delay replacing it.
2013-03-30 10:46
no navi was penalized for being the only team late to the tournament moron, if they were on time the pc would have been fixed on time, but they delayed the entire match by being late...
2013-04-02 11:42
Match would have started on time if the pcs worked, dumbass. They were never told to show up early in case the rental pcs were garbage.
2013-04-02 18:51
lol they didnt even show up on time u jackass, im not even talking about being early...THEY WERE THE ONLY TEAM TO SHOW UP LATE OUT OF 32 TEAMS...so the match couldnt have started on time "dumbass", how can something start on time if 1 of the teams is LATE...
2013-04-03 04:41
This post proves you're misinformed and stupid. There were other teams that showe up late (they were penalized as well). Go read up a bit more because you don't know what you're talking about. Also, apparently there are several players from other teams who saw members of navi at the venue before the scheduled start time. It is clearly a case of buying navi's story vs the admins. Only reason I believe navi right now is because CPH games was a mess outside of this incident.
2013-04-03 18:41
just a lame excuse
2013-03-30 14:01
don`t blame me pls
2013-03-30 14:31
does it matter? they were late anyway
2013-03-30 22:06
were you there?
2013-03-31 04:19
#2
f0rest | 
Romania hkeemo 
don't worry there's no sugar
2013-03-30 03:52
They are ready to fuck his mother nothing but rules are not violated... -1 tournament in the world
2013-03-30 10:18
Every tournament always tiebreak between 3 teams who have chance to go play-off. And i don't know why they brings result vs. BX3
2013-03-30 03:54
if that criterion cannot be used (in this case it cannot, since it doesn't change anything), then they take into consideration the last team.
2013-03-30 03:55
#50
Other si 
so u aggre with event admins? If it would be NIP or Fnatic in NaVi`s position robbed like this, is it would be fair???
2013-03-30 04:52
he would have to say yes, since its in the rulebook of Copenhagen Games.
2013-03-30 05:49
This is not the first time NaVi came late to the tournament...u dont come on time means u dont respect ur opponent then too bad........
2013-03-30 06:33
sadly not all tournaments does this way it would make team to show up instead of delaying the match by an hour every single time
2013-03-30 07:56
it wouldn't be nip since they show up on time and don't lose :D
2013-03-30 10:05
I call bullshit on the rules the admin posted in his statement. Quote from CPH rules : If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided: firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question. Which means round diference between the 3 teams, not all 4 teams.
2013-03-30 09:32
The rules are written in a very "clever" way, so that the admins can interpret "points" as map points if they want. So if you take it this way the first two steps still don't brake the tie and they have to consider the BX3 matches to break it.
2013-03-30 09:41
It's really stupid and it's hurting e-sports. Making questionale/interpretable rules just so you can have the power to decide the playoffs. Best way i can think to sort in the future stuff like this is with examples. 3 way tie can happen either at 2-1 or 1-2. So, just figure them out.
2013-03-30 09:44
?????????? Its REALLY CLEAR to me.. of course points differential mean map POINTS, else they would put rounds..
2013-03-30 22:08
When you take into consideration the last team. You solve the tie and NaVi are third then, but how do you decide based on that which one is first and which second ? :D
2013-03-30 09:43
It doesnt matter if you go through 1st or 2nd so its the same.
2013-03-30 22:09
And all those matches were 2:1 so you can't solve anything by comparing only those 3, hence they brought result vs. BX3 which solves the tie.
2013-03-30 06:53
As far as I'm concered tiebreaker 3 usually works with round difference and not maps? Clearly looking for an excuse here.
2013-03-30 03:54
#10
United Kingdom wap 
If round difference matters, you usually play out all 30 rounds.
2013-03-30 03:58
#18
Singapore ierd 
Right so every match lets play 30 rounds in case we have tie
2013-03-30 04:07
#41
United States nytz 
Make it BO5 and we have a deal
2013-03-30 04:35
#234
United Kingdom wap 
I don't get your point.
2013-03-30 14:51
your sarcasm exactly...it is stupid to do this, so this is why it is done upon MAPS not rounds
2013-03-30 17:52
#7
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Finland FRGVN 
if this is the case.. NaVi... FACEPALM
2013-03-30 03:55
Na'Vi should have played through the lower bracket to prove they're an elite team, instead they bow out completely.
2013-03-30 03:56
The only thing this showed me is that they like to whine and give up a lot. What a weak response. A manly response would've been to man up and crush all opponents in lower bracket. Instead they just run away with their tails between their legs.
2013-03-30 08:38
+11111111111111111111111
2013-03-30 11:00
everybody knows they would have owned everyone in lower bracket so pls stfu... they made a good decision
2013-03-30 14:20
you make a sarcasmo?
2013-03-30 17:53
you make navi hato?
2013-03-30 20:58
nop, they already have a loose to epsilon, why you think they would owned everyone in lower bracket?
2013-03-30 21:27
simply because they were by far the best team in lower bracket
2013-03-30 21:31
we will never know, because they quitted
2013-03-30 21:50
its stupid cause its three way tie,you first try to solve it within three teams,and if it is still tie,you include last placed team.It was always like that.
2013-03-30 03:57
Which is exactly what they did.
2013-03-30 06:53
NaVi - Fnatic : 48 / 40 (+8) NaVi - Epsilon: 42 / 44 (-2) NaVi total : +6 Fnatic - NaVi : 40 / 48 (-8) Fnatic - Epsilon: 44 / 43 (+1) Fnatic total : -7 Epsilon - Fnaict: 43 / 44 (-1) Epsilon - NaVi : 44 / 42 (+2) Epsilon total : +1 1. NaVi 2. Epsilon 3. Fnacic
2013-03-30 12:47
#210
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Denmark AndersR 
Dude read, they don't take rounds in consideration, points = map points. You can be angry about this as much as you want but this is their tournament and their rules so that's the way it is.
2013-03-30 13:13
dude read,they should have.
2013-03-30 14:27
#245
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Denmark AndersR 
Could you please direct me to where it says "they should have"?
2013-03-30 17:25
taken rounds in consideration
2013-03-31 01:11
#289
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Denmark AndersR 
please, where was this written?
2013-03-31 03:04
dude,your post,5 post up from this one,are you fucking blind?
2013-03-31 03:05
#291
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Denmark AndersR 
Okay either you suck at english or I've mistunderstood you, because nowhere in that post did I write anything about or even mention the 3 words "They should have".
2013-03-31 03:16
you just dont understand what im trying to say and im tired of explaining
2013-03-31 03:19
#303
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Denmark AndersR 
you're clearly horrible at english or horrible at explaining then because nothing you've said so far have made sense.
2013-03-31 12:28
its prolly that.
2013-03-31 14:32
CTRL+F Not that hard
2013-03-31 20:31
#317
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Denmark AndersR 
okay just done that, please tell me where should have is mention prior to him telling me to read.
2013-04-01 13:26
..? Why? Just because you say so?
2013-03-30 22:10
no,because those rules are being used for god knows how long
2013-03-31 01:12
Fine, but the rules IN THIS EVENT say otherwise, so deal with it.
2013-03-31 01:15
ok,lets go back to mr12,its my tournament,i can change the rules.
2013-03-31 01:20
fine, lets see how many teams participate buddy (;
2013-03-31 01:26
well navi wouldnt prolly,and you dont want navi not participating in your tournament buddy (;
2013-03-31 01:27
My point is, the teams accepted the rules when they entered the tournament.
2013-03-31 01:46
i believe that no one seen them,cause if they did,they would have complained or suggested the change of them.
2013-03-31 01:50
Hm. You'd think they'd look at RD and not map difference, but admins' decisions are admins' decisions. I always like hearing both sides of every story, and I must say I'm favoring Copenhagen Games here (not like I hate Na'Vi or anything, they were in my top 3 back in 1.6).
2013-03-30 04:01
NaVi always come late to tournaments,, they deserve it
2013-03-30 06:35
Why would they look at round difference when they didn't play out full 30 rounds on each map? That would be stupid.
2013-03-30 06:54
Well then most of tournaments are stupid because it's hard to find one with MR30 in groupstages. ESWC 2012, Dreamhack 2012, THOR Open, NorthCon, HKLAN 2013, MadCatz - all of them were played MR16 in groups and nobody comlained when there was three way tie and simply RD was the decider.
2013-03-30 09:52
This is what confuses me: "After much deliberation, it was decided that the map difference would be the criterion to use" If the rules are clear then why did it take so much time to decide ? The admin literally had to chose a winner ?
2013-03-30 04:03
+1 afaik, in the rules it has been stated as 'point differential' WTF does point differential mean? rounds, maps, or it'll be decided on a case by case basis?
2013-03-30 04:12
Its rounds, always has been. These noob admins are so dumb
2013-03-30 04:25
It means the idiots don't understand counter-strike, so they don't even know what a round is. (BTW another criticism of the CS tournaments at CPH, they aren't run by people who know the game).
2013-03-30 04:27
The rules aren't clear at all in this situation, so they had to decide something. It has happened too often at danish lan because the specifics of the rule system is usually an afterthought to the whole thing.
2013-03-30 09:45
This make sense by their definition of the rules, even though the round differential in the matches involving the 3 teams should be used before the tiebreaker 3 in my opinion. It's a shame the clarity of the rules perhaps may have created this controversy.
2013-03-30 04:03
For round difference to work effectively all 30 rounds have to be played.
2013-03-30 06:40
Well, maybe pros should take all matches alittle more serious then show up late and shit.
2013-03-30 04:03
+1, Na'Vi deserves to be 3rd place in the group. They're just showing that they're disrespectfull and then quitting the tournament? Na'Vi grow up.
2013-03-30 09:09
y. They were probs thinking "Ohh it is just BX3, np we kick their asses." Buuut, look at what happened when they thought like that. :):)
2013-03-30 14:26
Yup, These guys don't deserve to win or even compete in this event. Go home Na'Vi you're drunk
2013-03-30 14:28
I understand them. If Fnatic had gone to lower, people would still be mad.
2013-03-30 04:04
actually they wouldnt cause they expected round difference to be taken in consideration. Lurppis:"I also know from sources in Copenhagen that for a while fnatic were raged because they were going to be knocked down to the lower bracket (as the admins were going to go by rounds among the three tied participants), but after more whining ended up first in the group."
2013-03-30 04:10
And I was there myself in the morning as spectator and all this would not have happend if NaVi showed up in time. There were no where to be seen at 10 am. Don't believe everything Lurppis says, he has been hating towards the whole event even before it started.
2013-03-30 04:16
it probably would,but still,bad rules are the reason why they are not still here.
2013-03-30 04:17
actually i share opinions with him,he is harsh but always says what he thinks(which is i most cases what i think).And i dont believe he would lie for no reason.
2013-03-30 04:20
I don't say he is lying, but his so called "source" for infomation might not be objective.
2013-03-30 04:28
he is right about the fact that fnatic were raging for the first 30min of the discussion... only thing i know for sure
2013-03-30 05:49
#47
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Iceland yannay 
i want lurppis to comment here :D
2013-03-30 04:44
Fnatic have always known that they would go to the upper bracket with only one map over NaVi, Friis even comfirms that
2013-03-30 11:24
wrong reply ;x
2013-03-30 14:28
#17
Sp|ke | 
Guatemala spike148 
looks like the na'vi manager is the one causing the problems from everything i've read.. he wanted them to pull out before for being punished, players wanted to stay, then from what has been wrote on the na'vi site he understood the rules wrong and got them to pull out.. if it happened to them like it did to us i would understand, but they didn't get told that all the rules were translated into english from korean wrong and they'd be going out instead of being 1st in the group
2013-03-30 04:06
#22
Singapore ierd 
"Point differential" what do you consider as a Point in CS. Maps or rounds, the rules never specified clearly. So its rules fault here. Doesn't matter Na'Vi or Fnatic placed first, someones gonna get butthurt after arguing with admins for long time and not getting the first place
2013-03-30 04:12
If it is a BO3, you win the match by winning most maps than your opponent. Team 1 16 - 0 Team 2 Team 1 14 - 16 Team 2 Team 1 14 - 16 Team 2 By rounds, Team 1 would have more "Points" than Team 2 and that is clearly not accurate to define the winner, so IMO "Points" in this case is correctly assigned to Maps
2013-03-30 04:16
#48
Singapore ierd 
If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question. fnatic 2-1 Epsilon 16-14 12-16 16-13 fnatic;+1 Epsilon;-1 Epsilon 2-1 Na'Vi 16-13 12-16 16-13 Epsilon;+2 Na'Vi;-2 Navi 2-1 Fnatic 10-16 16-6 ?-? can't find the score Even with just first 2 maps Na'Vi;+4 Fnatic;-4 Fnatic loses last map so its more + for Na'Vi and more - for Fnatic Overall round diff Na'Vi +2 ++ Epsilon +1 Fnatic -3 -- However because rule never state clearly what they mean by Point, they, quoting the HLTV article, simply say Point means map and push through Fnatic and Epsilon into upper bracket.
2013-03-30 04:46
Point obviously means MAP. Maps weren't played in full 30 rounds for round difference to be any relevant.
2013-03-30 06:57
What's this dumb shit rofl. The only time round difference can be used is when all 30 rounds are played. This tournament obviously didn't use or have round difference in the rules since they didn't play all rounds.
2013-03-30 09:09
what are you talking about? MOST of tournament are played BO1 MR16 in gropustages. It's always been like that. I'm not saying it's good or bad but don't tell me that RD can be used only when they play all 30 rounds. Examples of LANs in CSGO being played only MR16 BO1: ESWC 2012, Dreamhack 2012, THOR Open, NorthCon, HKLAN 2013, MadCatz.. I just checked randomly Events Archive and didn't find any LAN that was played MR30 in groupstages. And in all these LANs RD was decider when there was three way tie.
2013-03-30 09:46
you know nothing, FACEPALM
2013-03-30 10:07
Didn't NaVi say that it got confirmed they're first in the group but Fnatic und co. started complaining then? So it got changed afterall?
2013-03-30 04:07
Fnatic got it confirmed they had won their group after the first map Win. So they played for nothing the remaining maps.
2013-03-30 10:29
That's just bullshit you didn't even read what Lurppis wrote.
2013-03-30 15:13
If they should go for The rounds for every match.. They need to play every round = 30 rounds.. Thursday morning there was news all over The World, about The main tournament is starting 10.00............. Stupid navi
2013-03-30 04:08
pretty sad. bad representation for the sponsors
2013-03-30 04:13
if navi read the rules before the tournament nothing of this happening. Waiting a hour for then to play? when they re ate the area by 9? Its not very professional...
2013-03-30 04:14
na'vi thinks because they are "na'vi" that the rules can be bended for them. fuck na'vi.
2013-03-30 04:15
exactly and because they are navi, they probably won't lose sponsors. Most other teams couldn't cry and /quit without repercussions.
2013-03-30 04:31
#43
Other si 
:D you guys are crazyy , they quit event because of shit argonization , but you dont take it easy , you starting to write shit you dont know... Add nier your nick "NaVi Hater" this will be better ,than this kinds of crapp you writing here...
2013-03-30 04:39
#209
Norway och 
LOL
2013-03-30 13:13
#39
Other si 
yeah right , you know what "navi" think... Your second name is not Nostradamus? O_o
2013-03-30 04:33
his second name is trololol
2013-03-30 04:39
#45
Other si 
They just hates NaVi , so they writing shit.. thats all:)
2013-03-30 04:42
lol at retarded people who in 2013 wants to count rounds without playing 30 rounds in every map
2013-03-30 04:16
#37
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Vietnam Mua_hoa_tuyet 
+1. F*** off Navi, stupid manager makes all shit things.
2013-03-30 04:31
so winning 16-1 = winning 16-14 ?
2013-03-30 05:15
win is a win, and in group stages where u don't play full 30 rounds yes, winning 16-14 is the same as winning 16-1
2013-03-30 05:23
exactly.. What's the point in winning the 2 maps if your RD is more negative than the team you just won?
2013-03-30 22:15
#83
Singapore ierd 
Troll is troll. Do direct me to the time when max rounds were played on every map
2013-03-30 06:18
if i am not mistaken on slap or something
2013-03-30 06:37
fu u ... navi agreed on leave
2013-03-30 04:24
#40
Kray | 
World ashhh 
6ers gonna 6 if u get told when the games are and show up late. derpderpderp
2013-03-30 04:34
what would happen if navi would have won 2-0 aswell?
2013-03-30 04:42
#49
Singapore ierd 
I assume it should be Na'Vi #1 since they have the better map score between the teams concerned(teams tied for first; Na'Vi, Fnatic and Epsilon) Then Fnatic #2 by head to head with Epsilon I guess.
2013-03-30 04:50
#51
Georgia rowG 
2013-03-30 04:53
We have a team (+ manager) travelling from Ukraine to Denmark. We have a tournament that starts at 10. We have 5 rented computers. They arrive at 9 and yet they wait until ~10 to set up their computers, because a receptionist said something about 10'o clock.... :D? Embarrassing.
2013-03-30 05:11
+1
2013-03-30 05:16
They were told the pc's were not ready untill 10 ?
2013-03-30 05:19
not true. Why would they be the single team at the whole venue who has no clue when the matches were to start? It had been known for weeks before...... they could just check the schedule.
2013-03-30 05:56
cph's pc = crap
2013-03-30 05:23
Even more reason to set up early.
2013-03-30 12:44
from a very objective point of view, i'll try to sum up the story from what i've read on HLTV. 1. NaVi arrived at around 10:15 (according to many sources). The matches were supposed to start at 10. Other teams showed up in time. NaVi: "our manager was at the venue at 9 but he saw no one. he asked the receptionists and was told to get back at 10." CPH: "NaVi's manager was there at 9 and was told to get back at 10." 2. One of the CPH's rental computers was out of function. NaVi got forfeited. NaVi: "We arrived at TEN. Then the admins told us that we have FIVE minutes to set up and play or else we would lost the 1st map by default. We couldn't do that in time because of computer issue." CPH: "NaVi arrived at TEN FOURTEEN. We told them they have FIFTEEN minutes to set up and play, which meant they were 'given' a total amount of 30 mins to prepare. Since they didn't get ready, they were told that they had lost their 1st map." 3. 3-way tied. - At first the result looked like this: fnatic > Epsilon > NaVi. - According to NaVi: NaVi > Epsilon > fnatic. - Admins agreed. - fnatic raged up. - Admins changed back to first decision. NaVi: "We must use RD to break the tie. Then we came out on top." CPH: "That makes sense!" fnatic: "Watda%^&*(&1" CPH: "Oh yeah, teams didn't play all 30 rounds, so we HAVE to use map differences. Between fnatic, Epsilon and NaVi, MD are useless. So we have to include BX3's matches. Then NaVi came out 3rd place." 4. NaVi: "bad luck & no fun. we're leaving." CPH: "bye." Correct me if i'm wrong.
2013-03-30 05:12
Pretty much. To me, CPHG made the right choice. Not because fnatics from Denmark, but because it wouldnt MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE to use RD LOL
2013-03-30 05:18
tournament delay for few hours because of shit org but when navi is late 30min then default loss... at least they could give them 3-5 round penalty or something like that...
2013-03-30 05:26
If they had followed the rules they would have avoided this. Cant blame cph games for that. And dont you even consider saying they wouldnt have been late if they had working computers. They were already 15 minutes too late from the very beginning.
2013-03-30 06:01
They dont do that anywhere? Do you see a team in football coming in 15 minutes late and start the match with 1-0? Heck no. They shouldn't even play the game if they are late.
2013-03-30 05:58
So what u are saying is that every single tournament ever created has been run by a shit org, bc every single tournament in history has had delays due to something. You cant just talk shit about cph bc you are a navi fanboy...every team showed up on time except navi. They received the loss bc if they were given the chance to play their 1st map then that would have pushed the times back even more and caused more of a delay for the next match, and it would have kept going on and on for the entire day.
2013-03-30 06:32
wow. you wanna give special treatment to better teams? Rules is there to be followed, not ignored. Why would the opposing team get a 3-5 round advantage?
2013-03-31 01:40
Tell me why there were no warnings? yellow cards, red cards, 3 round loss, and so on penalies for Na'Vi, but default loss was chosen? Tell me something about this video youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedde.. . Yeah CpH - perfect organization
2013-03-30 05:44
yea wtf is he doing to the keyboard? ... crime org
2013-03-30 06:00
Because of perfect organization, Zeus was placed on 2 tables at same time, so right part of his keyboard is about 1 cm upper than left part, that's why he had to add several layers of carton to the left.
2013-03-30 06:55
i'm just summarizing the whole thing dude. ask someone else :)
2013-03-30 06:02
Yes, I saw that is was summary, but I just gave you several points that you've lost (-:
2013-03-30 06:52
Even if they got there at 9:30, and went to set up they still wouldn't make it @10. It took them like half an hour to replace broken pc, which cph admin doesn't even mention for some reason. Also i think lurppis said that nostalgie came on time and had same pc issues and they were also given 1 map loss, so for everyone saying like "come on time next time/don't cry check schedule" and shit like that, if what lurppis said is true than it wouldn't have made any difference they would still get 1 map loss anyways even if they were there on time. But yeah both sides made mistakes, not that it really matters now, sadly they are out of tournament and everyone will probably forget about this in a week if Zerogravity doesn't make a big deal out of this whole thing like he said he would on twitter last night. Regardless organization is shit.
2013-03-30 06:12
you cant always trust what lurppis says, besides he has been talking shit about cph for months now...I highly doubt if a team was there on time and the event organizer gave him a broken pc that they would penalize the team for that lol, that makes no sense...
2013-03-30 06:30
"it seems that nostalgie turned up on time (as no one has claimed they didn't) but they also had to forfeit the first map due to pc issues. was that their fault, too?" Didn't say it was true and I know he kept trashtalking the event, but if it indeed is true I don't see why did they have to ff, and these admins are some fucked up people lol.
2013-03-30 06:43
If they got there at 930 and it took them half an hour to fix the problem then wouldn't they be able to play at, let's see, 10 sharp?! anyway I have to agree with your point. the two sides of the story vary here and there. no one is retarded and both have their points. it's just sad for us the viewers. really. killing all the hype.
2013-03-30 06:44
Well if they got to venue at 9:30 they wouldn't seen that the pc was broken right away. They had to pick them up first, set up and then see its broken. Probably lost like 5-10 minutes there, so they would've been like 10 mins late.
2013-03-30 06:51
well 5-10 mins late because of technical issues is totally acceptable. esp. ones that come from the organizers' side. nevertheless NaVi should have been there at around 9. as in the case of nostalgie, none of the insiders have spoken. so until then i refused to believe lurppis' story. simply because it sounds really awkward. too weird of an admin (CPHG admin) to do what he did.
2013-03-30 07:05
I guess, as for the nostalgie part, well we didn't get that much info from insiders at all so its hard to judge. It sucks they left I just hope no more unnecessary shit comes out from this whole situation.
2013-03-30 07:12
You're wrong in point 3, it was ALWAYS by map points, read the rules.
2013-03-30 22:17
#NaVi #OpDramaQueen
2013-03-30 05:50
stupid decision, NaVi should play more
2013-03-30 05:52
I feel like if instead of Na'vi it was BX3 or some other no name team, people wouldn't be giving this a second thought....
2013-03-30 06:01
that‘s true
2013-03-30 07:34
"They were told it was at 10, and at 10:14 they showed up at the venue to collect their rented PCs and set up to play." l0lwat. If a match is at 10am and you need to get your rented PCs ready and get warmed up, you don't show up at 10:14.... what. the. fuck.
2013-03-30 06:02
Well, the "Point" in Tie breaker2 was so fish. If the adms considered round point as usual, then fantic became third in group, and the Denmanrk fanboys would not be satisfied That's why they included BX3 to make fnatic be 1st in group.
2013-03-30 06:09
if not included bx3, then fnatic became in second group and navi first.
2013-03-30 06:15
Loled. rules are rules !!!!!!!!!!
2013-03-30 06:15
#81
f0rest | 
Russia goodjob 
NAVI SUCK!! GO HOME!!!
2013-03-30 06:16
Its obvious Scandinavian admins are favoring their own teams. Great to see that navi didnt bow down. I like fnatic but they deserved to be in LB.
2013-03-30 06:17
bad decision the team is not at the highest lvl and they need to improve their game for the future
2013-03-30 06:43
lol, where is the truth? Zerogravity says they were told that the game starts at 10 and then it appeared to be at 9.And the orgs say that the game had to be started at 10 and Navi arrived at 9. And why the orgs have chosen the most severe punishment, if everybody knows that delay is a common thing for every event and most of times its the problem of both team and orgs?
2013-03-30 06:48
Stop drugs plz
2013-03-30 09:20
Every other team in the tournament knew the matches started at 9 except zerogravity, doesnt that tell you that its HIS fault not the tournament admins? or are you hltv fanboys that idiotic that you cant see that?
2013-03-30 09:49
31 other teams were rght. Only not Navi. Even if there was misunderstanding between em and admins about time. THERE WAS A FUCKIN SCHEADULE KNOWN DAYZ AGO AND ALSO POSTED HERE ON HLTV. Navi are so fuckin dumb that they just cant accept they made a mistake.
2013-03-30 10:22
After losing Quantics application I honestly don't believe the tournament organizers.
2013-03-30 07:08
"Point differential in all series (NaVi were the only team to lose a map against BX3, which is why they placed third in the group)." L@L@@L@L@LL@L@ what are they talking about??Crazy drug takers.What is the point/points in their mind?They should consider rounds in this case.Shameless liars.And ofc -FUCK YOU COPENHAGEN!
2013-03-30 07:14
Now i have no respect for Navi. These kids thinks they can do whatever they wan´t.
2013-03-30 07:27
#107
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Kazakhstan Juandro 
very bad tournament !!!
2013-03-30 07:42
Shut up you duds, Na Vi is a world class team, trust me if you feel like you have been screwed by admins you too would do the same thing, in any professional match.
2013-03-30 07:53
These kids are so unprofessional. They think they can lay on the floor crying and get what they wan´t.
2013-03-30 08:00
The only thing they seem world class at is giving up and whining.
2013-03-30 08:37
#113
rain | 
Sweden d3f3nd3R 
allways liked navi but this i lame i think, they should have stayed and played in LB.
2013-03-30 08:06
and cph will have -7k spectators
2013-03-30 08:10
#115
Netherlands g@M 
Its their job. Being late causes all the delays. Fair but said deccision.
2013-03-30 08:19
Na'Vi do right thing, because Sweden admins are unfair and let Fnatic get to upper place. If you know the rules, you should know that admins are cheaters.
2013-03-30 08:20
Let's assume the admins are at fault. Na'vi is not going to gain anything by pulling out. They should win from lower bracket and try win the tournament. This way they will earn more respect. I think they pulled out because they realize they have no chance winning this tournament. They failed against epsilon what chance they have against NIP
2013-03-30 08:23
lol, I haven't follow CS for a long time, but Na`Vi still remains the same. They always do what they want and after that they're just make themselves victims.
2013-03-30 08:20
Fuck Reputation, Na'Vi shouldn't have pulled out even if they were in the lower bracket. They could have made it to the Top easily. This is seriously a bad decision from Na'Vi.At least Play for your fans,there was so much expectation from you guys, doesn't matter whose fault it was, you should have sticked to the tournament.
2013-03-30 08:37
:'(
2013-03-30 08:42
Just look the rules, fanboys copenhagengames.com/page/rules-komplett... In StarLadder Na'Vi should wipe out Fnatic and Eps.
2013-03-30 08:50
but they NEVER LOST THIS MAP, thay just dont play it so WHY THEY COUNT MAP THAT WAS NEVER REALLY PLAYED!!!!!!!
2013-03-30 08:57
Yes they did lost it. I doesn't matter if they played it. That's the point of forfeit loss.
2013-03-30 09:19
how the situation is: navi's manager messed up time and his team was late how hltv fanboys see it: navi is top1 contender and scandinavian admins wanted to stop navi in order NiP to win the tournament
2013-03-30 09:14
I like you! Manager of NaVi is just a joke, also being like a little boy on tweeter, trying to ruin the event. But I can see that lurppis likes to talk bullshit about Danish things as always. Big applaus to him....
2013-03-30 09:27
Lol, ZeroGravity is probably #1 manager in electronic sports and you call him a joke? Chill out mate.
2013-03-30 11:30
#236
United Kingdom wap 
#1 manager in eSports? Haha, no way. He is a good manager, I will admit, but he is nowhere near being the best in eSports.
2013-03-30 14:59
ZeroGravity is good manager, but there was another guy with navi at that event
2013-03-30 16:44
I know, 'sumoality' guy was talking about ZeroGravity because he was tweeting, not another one.
2013-03-30 17:15
Na'Vi are idiots for leaving the tournament thats for sure, they screwed up their fans with this decision
2013-03-30 09:17
Rules: "If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question." Tell me in what way they decided use last condition but not second? How they determine "points"?
2013-03-30 09:23
#133
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Poland kiero 
If there is nowhere mentioned about counting rounds only points, so admins had right. But I can't imagine how it wasn't specifically defined.
2013-03-30 09:22
CPh wronk orga
2013-03-30 09:21
no
2013-03-30 18:03
sud'i uebku, tut nechego skazat'
2013-03-30 09:25
This is what I was waiting for, to form my opinion. Unlike others who agreed with NaVi right away. As you can see, Im a fan of NaVi but I think their decision was wrong. That doesnt mean I agree with organizators, the rules and its interpretation which caused the misunderstanding was their fault. NaVi should have played the first round of lower bracket and then fill out a protest or something, not just "ragequit". FFS you let your fans down NaVi, they were waiting to see their favourite team clash in some epic battle, doesnt matter it would be lower bracket. just my unimportant opinion.
2013-03-30 09:29
NaVi didn't lose vs BX3 ... why not play the 1s map then ? idiot cph admin's idiots.
2013-03-30 09:30
because it would cause more delays navi had a chance to play the first map, they were told matches started at 10 and they had an hour to get their pcs, set up, fix any problems. but they decided that theyre navi so they came at 10:15 to get their pcs. 15 after matches started. idiot navi
2013-03-30 13:06
no, it won't cause more delays since there was 2 maps to play (both won by navi).
2013-03-31 09:25
yea sure. navi the idiot cuz they may be on late and can't get there ? no. the admin's are retarded and idiot's. thets it
2013-04-03 15:56
Markeloff: set Dot...Just an hour won 50 euros DotA 2x2! That's 50 euros more than I won at Copenhagen Games 2013 ...
2013-03-30 09:46
So basically the NaVi manager is a fucking idiot
2013-03-30 09:46
yes, finally, i see a sense
2013-03-30 18:02
#147
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Ukraine gungrave 
According to ZeroGravity they were told to arrive at 10CET, which they did (and according to semphis from Quantic, he saw Na`Vi setting up as he was just arriving there; and Quantic didn't get forfeited). They then got their rental computers (from Copenhagen Games - obviously the responsibility must also be on them then). why quantic didn't get forfeited??
2013-03-30 09:48
because quantic didnt dick around for an hour but instead set up their pcs and were ready to play at 10
2013-03-30 13:07
#150
Poland tfg 
Retarded people who call cph admins idiots. I dont know, maybe in Ukraine they dont have a watches, but in civilized world, when you are late, you must be punished. Since 1.6, when we had a match between navi other team, there always were delays, 3 navi players on server, while for example SK had full team, then after 15 rounds they had a 20 minute pause, after 1st map pause, omg. They need to masturbate before every game, or what? Good decision admins, and Navi, yeah, go out, noone cares about you :)
2013-03-30 09:49
#153
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Ukraine gungrave 
in civilized world ppl can READ. and u i think cant
2013-03-30 09:51
none cares about you how the fuck you know everyones' thought about them :o and btw, U should read first and only then comment.
2013-03-30 09:54
#157
Poland tfg 
maybe fans care, but I meant, no team nor admins @cph care ^_^
2013-03-30 09:55
1+
2013-03-30 09:58
#151
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Ukraine gungrave 
and 10:14? rly? not 10-13 or 10-16? they recorded every second delay?
2013-03-30 09:50
probably they look at the clock...why you have a doubt for this?
2013-03-30 18:01
CPH rules :DDD morons :(
2013-03-30 09:50
#155
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Denmark BATISTUTA9 
Hahaha! Asked a receptionist when the games start! The person answered correct! Then games start at 10.00... Dumb navi think they can arrive 10:14 ??? Wtf seriously..
2013-03-30 09:52
#158
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Ukraine gungrave 
Alex Kokhanovskyy @zerogravity_ua 1 min ago This statement on HLTV.org is bullshit - hltv.org/news/10357-admin-comments-on-na.. My blog will be published in few hours.
2013-03-30 09:56
If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question. HE IS RIGHT FFS.
2013-03-30 10:08
#160
yxo | 
Ukraine piratz0r 
HAHA
2013-03-30 10:05
Rules are rules... 10:00 start ... If you are not there you lose... no matter if you are Navi or some low team... this is the rules & when you are late even with 1 min... this is your foult ... Navi are free to leave ... esport is good without this childish behavior ....
2013-03-30 10:11
Sorry but when they give fucked computers and delayed games it doesn't count, when games are delayed by crash and break the game it doesn't count... Taking this map into account to determine places is just hypocritical when it comes to a big cashprize tournament.
2013-03-30 10:12
navi was late even without a broken computer. all other team arrive at 9. navi arrive at 1015. so you tell me who is for a blame here?
2013-03-30 18:01
the thing is firstly admins agreeed that they should count round difference but then fnatic came and start raging so admins changed their mind
2013-03-30 10:12
#169
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Poland kiero 
Matches starts at 10:00. Everyone know it. NA'VI arrive at 9 and they ask jonitor What to do? Then knowing they have only 1 hour and unverified rental PC's they go somewhere and come back at 10:14. Haha well done NA'VI
2013-03-30 10:17
I won't look CPH Games at all, fuck this tournament, you lost half of viewers from CIS
2013-03-30 10:40
navi fans.. NaVi should know when the match begins because they were only team who failed with the schedule
2013-03-30 11:36
Ok. Btw nobody cares of your minds(
2013-03-30 12:04
Sense motherfucker, do you make any? Every other team knew what they were doing, why didnt navi?
2013-03-30 12:21
You're mad because your retarded team (yes you're retarded if you don't check your PC's in time for the matches, I mean you've been at hundreds events, you know hardware failures are common) didn't get treated like the kings they aren't? Just ROFL.
2013-03-30 12:31
navi's fans had a better idea of when their games started than navis manager
2013-03-30 13:11
lol mad retards , i haven't look for CSGO from beginning , and won't follow for ages, all my minds on dota2, i'm not a navi fanboy, i'm from Ukraine, and i saw how freaking europeans speaks to me when saw that i'm "RUSSIAN", you can't even see difference between countrie's name ((
2013-03-30 13:36
you need a new translator. the one you are currently using doesnt make sense. still navis fault they werent ready on time, childish reaction to throw a tantrum and drop out of the tournament
2013-03-30 13:42
and?
2013-03-30 14:14
chicken butt.
2013-03-30 14:20
really?
2013-03-30 14:37
turtle leg.
2013-03-30 15:21
amazing news, keep calm
2013-03-30 15:24
Huge disrespect for organizers of CPH Games. Your reputation is dirty now. You lost thousands of watchers.
2013-03-30 10:55
Juge disrespect of navi. Your reputation is dirty now. You lose thousands of respects.
2013-03-30 17:59
its fun how they use different rules in every tournament.
2013-03-30 11:19
First Online Kingdom, then Natus Vincere... Next year? Ninjas? or VeryGames? :P Probably Epsilon, mark my words. haha
2013-03-30 11:34
#188
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Europe midi 
this tournament is just a big circus, this year navi were presented as clowns. waiting for 2014...
2013-03-30 11:37
shit happens, never ben a perfect lan. if navi had a winner mentality they would have proceeded no matter the odds. this is just sad.
2013-03-30 11:48
they either have to change the schedule so 3-way ties can be replayed (BO1 would be enough), or make all matches play out all 30 rounds in every map so the rounddifference actually mean something
2013-03-30 12:09
you think to count rounds you need to play all 30 of them? then if you want to count maps you need to play all 3 of them everytime, thats right? think about it.
2013-03-31 09:30
well to be completely fair, yeah, but i dont think a losing team would care to play the last map unless they know its going to be a 3-way tie. the whole playing out 30 rounds thing also makes more sense in a B01 scenario, obviously
2013-03-31 15:03
Navi only have themselves to blame. Every other team showed up on time, if your late, its not everyone elses fault. Broken PC? should have been there on time to sort it out ON TIME. If a team had to go out, it should be . The other two teams were ahead anyway due to the criteria written out, PLUS they didnt hinder the tournament. LOL at them forming a committee just because they have been treated badly once, stop throwing your toys out of the pram. For people saying it wouldnt happen to NiP as they are a big name, well Navi arent exactly unknown now are they...
2013-03-30 12:19
They were late, it's their own fault. Glad they didn't get special treatment.
2013-03-30 12:22
admins stupid bb
2013-03-30 12:26
navi stupid bb
2013-03-30 17:58
NAVI stronk copenhagen wronk
2013-03-30 12:40
used to like navi but they always crying about the ruels and admins. You can always get diffrent results from a three way tie depending what they base the resault on. sometimes its in your favour and sometimes against you, live with it. If they wont end up in this kind of situations no one forbade them to win thier maps in the groupstage. this behavour is what i call bad losers!
2013-03-30 12:44
+1
2013-03-30 13:12
if only navi could behave like fnatic, whining nonstop 30 min. then all would be good.
2013-03-30 13:51
dont saying fnatic did the right thing....but admins decide and thats a risk you have to take if you cant get a resualt thats good enough from the groupstage. someone have to lose and unfortunatly for navi chp-games decided to count map-diffrence.
2013-03-30 13:59
watch this to see who is crying: youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedde..
2013-03-31 09:31
admin no brain
2013-03-30 12:47
navi no brain
2013-03-30 17:58
STOP SAYING ALL ROUNDS WERE NOT PLAYED ALL MAPS WERE NOT PLAYED EITHER!!!
2013-03-30 13:18
you see it in right way, but between those 3 teams all 3 maps had been played. still a legit comment from you, round difference could be counted anyways (you don't need to play all 30 of them).
2013-03-31 09:34
if u gonna show up late make sure the computers are working beforehand. stop crying
2013-03-30 13:46
if u gonna rent out pc's, make shure they work before you rent them.
2013-03-30 13:50
if u gonna play a tournament, make shure you arrive on time before you play it
2013-03-30 17:56
i ur gonna admin a tournament, makeu shure you follow your own rules
2013-03-31 15:33
#223
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Azerbaijan Talley 
They were upset after Epsilon lose and realised that they`re not going to win anyway. So it was expected.
2013-03-30 14:22
Navi always lost matches in group stages at their prime and at play offs they won each event at 1.6. They left because they were forced to play random bo1 instead of showing what they can do with bo3.
2013-03-30 14:27
they already show what they do with bo3, a lose vs epsilon
2013-03-30 17:57
so one misstalk with receptionist causes NaVis dropout ... shit happnes
2013-03-30 14:25
and every other team knows the time to arrive? navi are late because they do not care to forfeit a map, they belief they are superior. but epsilon beated them, and they are crying
2013-03-30 17:56
even if they lost that map the should have past imbecile youtube.com/watch?v=8mm5bZGduDM&feature=..
2013-03-30 21:41
admine decision is final, navi cannot agree to this basic rule
2013-03-30 21:45
admins decision was not final, they change it in favor of friis.
2013-03-31 15:34
Hello guys, We are looking for a brave Dane who would help us to translate some of CS:GO related discussion between admins / fnatic during our last night's incident at Copenhagen Games 2013. If you can help us, please PM me with your skype and I'll show you the videos. We will publish the videos at youtube.com/natusvinceretv once we are done with DK -> EN translation!
2013-03-30 14:30
ZeroGravity needs to start travelling with his CS squad from now on! :) Would change a lot!
2013-03-30 14:39
This ordeal reeks of "WE ARE FAMOUS TREAT US ACCORDINGLY OR ELSE..!" If the rules say map difference decides who advances then what the HELL exactly is the problem? Jesus christ, grow up and man up to your own mistakes..
2013-03-30 14:58
well, the admins just followed the rules... grow up Na'Vi
2013-03-30 15:30
For all of you idiots saying ''Grow up'' or ''They're mad'' or something else just make the world a favor and read this. Also click on the links on this post, this will clarify everything. navi-gaming.com/news_show.php?news_id=13..
2013-03-30 21:43
Tbh, you need a neutral point of view. I'm not going to make an opinion based on a one sided story (goes for both sides).
2013-03-30 22:25
Have you seen the video already? The one that Friis pressures admins? No? There you go, by the way enable English captions so you understand what they're talking about. youtube.com/watch?v=8mm5bZGduDM
2013-03-30 22:28
The one who made the controversial rules should be to blame. It's not admins fault that the rules could be interpreted in two ways. The rules should not use "points" as a term, but "maps" and "rounds". Admins are unexperienced, but its organisation's fault for making controversial rules and hiring unexperienced admins. Btw, Na'Vi's punishment for being late seems legit. But situation with counting "points" in a tree-way tie - it is a completely different case and should be looked at separately.
2013-03-31 09:16
THAT IS LIE! READ THIS FUCKERS navi-gaming.com/news_show.php?news_id=13..
2013-03-31 10:37
SO basiclly to get things straight: Fnatic was informed that they`re going to playoffs BEFORE their last game, because Admins are shit and dont know their own rules. Fnatic lost that game, Navi asked about the rules for a tie breaker - Admins checked the rules are realized that fnatic is actually going to loser bracket and Navi is now 1st in the group - once again leaving admins somewhat responsible for Fnatics lower bracket spot as You dont really know how fnatic would play if they actually had to fight for the playoff spot. Fnatic goes to the admins and complains (very understandable I would be pissed off as well). Admins after long discussion decide not to follow their tournament rules in favor of fnatic which they`ve previously screwed over, making NaVi take the punishment for a mess that Admins themself created. Navi leaves the tournament. All in all - CPH Games - get yourself some fucking proper admins that can follow a simple set of rules that pretty much every tournament is using for the past god knows how many years. Not to mention - how hard is that to take both team captains on a side, explain the situation, tell them You`re sorry and You fucked up, apologize, ask one another to understand it and act mature enough so some kind of a solution can be made. Sitting behind your fucking desk and listening to people yelling at You is not the way You solve Your OWN mistakes. And as for Navi/Fnatic - was expecting more from such a big organizations - Admins fucked up - shit happens and at this point it was not possible for the admins to make a decision that wouldnt screw over one of the teams so both orgs could`ve understand that and come up with a better solution (fucking rock paper scizzors for the playoffs, really anything is better then leaving the tournament)
2013-03-31 11:37
my respect to this orator. best comment by far. agree on full 100%. admins fucked up, at the same time navi could stay and play for all of their fans, anyway they would be dropped to lower bracket by nip, and top2 is max what they could compete obviously. big - to navi big - to cph games and huge for cs:go itself.
2013-03-31 15:49
del
2013-04-01 03:05
This. Nevertheless, the whole thing wouldn't even exist had Na`VI come early for their first match vs BX3 and double-check their equipment. Both sides aren't innocent.
2013-04-01 03:05
Na'Vi have been children since they started winning lans. I assume that was the right decision, CPH admins did everyone a favour by sending them to the lower bracket so they can understand the consquences of every decision they make.
2013-03-31 16:19
I can remember outrageous case that happened during Xperia Play 2011 (CPH games event for cs 1.6 community). Orgas put the caster next to the mTw palyers. During semifinal map mTw vs Frag eXecutors that guy has been showing to danish players stream without delay. When polish guys found out about this: *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : to all you guys watching *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : there was a guy *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : sitting next to mtw guys *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : showing them stream *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : ... *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : GG *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : DENMARK match was paused and admins asked caster to turn the monitor to the other side (as said caster sl4m, who were informed by a reporter Lexx). DEMO LINK: hltv.org/?pageid=28&comments=1&demoid=10.. This is one more fact, that CHPG admins are unprofessional and prejudiced. i realize about navi's fail. anyway it's a cause to stop admins' despotism on the tourneys.
2013-03-31 16:48
#323
Other si 
Thats very danger thing:)), some people from here can take it serious ..:) But joke is not bad:D
2013-04-03 05:03
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