US lose team; AGAiN return

MIRAA
December 18th, 2013 18:15

UniversalSoldiers have witnessed the departure of their CS:GO team, who have decided to go back to the name AGAiN.

The news comes as a huge surprise as the former ESC Gaming team had been recruited by UniversalSoldiers just four months ago as they looked to go back to their roots and get closer to their fanbase.

Under UniversalSoldiers' banner, the team finished 3rd-4th at the RaidCall EMS One Finals and 9th-16th at DreamHack Winter, and qualified for the SLTV StarSeries finals as well the ESEA global finals.

TaZ was loud as usual

TaZ & co without an organisation yet AGAiN 

In a statement issued by Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas, the Polish player hinted that the team were unhappy with the support they were getting from US and suggested that they may create their own organisation.

"Today we would like to annouce that we will no longer represent Universal Soldiers," Wojtas said.

"We prefer to keep details about this decision from public, but we think that it was the only reasonable move for both parties. For the past two years our team has been linked with many organisations, and all of them left us wondering about our choice of commitment.

"As we write this statement, we are currently unsure of what our future holds. We are looking into some options, we would love to find a good organisation, which would finally support us (…) and let us prove our worth, or maybe it’s finally the time to create our own company.

"We will attend SLTV tournament thanks to help from ZOWIE GEAR, who once AGAiN came to the rescue, and will support us, so really big thanks to them for making it possible!"

HLTV.org understands that, as it stands now, it looks very unlikely that the team will be able to attend the ESEA Finals from January 17th to 21st, unless a sponsor comes in to fund the trip to Dallas.

AGAiN have:

Poland Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas
Poland Filip "Neo" Kubski
Poland Jarosław "pasha" Jarząbkowski
Poland Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski
Poland Paweł "byali" Bieliński

AGAiN and AGAiN :(
2013-12-18 18:15
#68
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Ukraine kalitajke 
)
2013-12-18 18:51
MYM
2013-12-18 19:15
the AGAiN players might have better luck finding an organization if they occasionally won an event or even placed top 3 consistently. what exactly is supposed to make a top org spend money on these guys?
2013-12-18 19:41
maybe ask that to all your country men that got Orgs
2013-12-18 20:21
coL - 3/4th dreamhack winter 2013 Quantic - 2nd ESEA Season 13 coL - 2nd ESEA season 14 Area 51 - 3/4th ESWC 2012 ??? I agree that it's a shame that the Poles could never find a sponsor commensurate with their skills, but their performance in CS GO hasn't really warranted top tier support.
2013-12-18 21:44
ESEA S14 had 1 EU team. Col is the only team that worth a spons in the states
2013-12-18 21:43
and that's why they are only one of two teams to have sponsorship willing to send them across an ocean. What point are you trying to make? US teams have trouble getting sponsors too, which is why Moe couldn't make it to ESWC 2013
2013-12-18 21:46
The point he's trying to make is that NA teams suck compared to the top EU teams. Complexity has gotten smashed in all their semi-finals, they're not even close to being a contendor.
2013-12-19 11:13
#230
BnTeT | 
Poland Freezak 
No american team is worth a sponsor, they are all shit, yet they got great capabilities to train and be sponsored, end of the talk.
2013-12-19 12:41
ESEA S13 had 4 EU teams, and Quantic/coL beat VeryGames and United Soldiers in bo3's.. ESEA s14 coL beat NiP on a map AGAiN never even places...
2013-12-20 04:30
Yeah they beated NiP on 1 map gratz now thats nothing sry. They got smacked right into the ground by fnatic . Like i still said, Col is the only team thats worth a spons i en US . IBP /Curse /Denial should NEVER get a damn sponsor. They're bad, mega onliners and all that crap. I mean , look at the background of the poles , how many times have they gotten fucked by an org?
2013-12-20 15:55
i lol'd at esea 13,14 and eswc 12 =D
2013-12-20 03:41
Quantic beat United Soldiers at esea 13...
2013-12-20 04:31
there picking up Vox Eminor
2013-12-19 08:09
what does ")" mean? Does it mean the same as ":)"?
2013-12-18 19:17
y
2013-12-18 19:29
#112
Romania tr$ 
Yeah, but if I can recall, there isn't a ":" on the russian keyboard or something like that. Hence the ")))))))" for smileys :D
2013-12-18 19:39
ah is that a smiley rofl xD have seen it so often lately
2013-12-18 20:00
There is ":".
2013-12-18 21:11
#198
Romania tr$ 
Why don't you guys use it then :|
2013-12-18 23:12
Cuz we're lazy fucks)
2013-12-19 03:21
#229
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Georgia otoghost 
unlucky team :)
2013-12-19 12:37
:\
2013-12-18 18:16
GOGOBOY | pasha*BICEPS GOGOBOY | nEO*Strip GOGOBOY | TaZ*Tease GOGOBOY | Snax GOGOBOY | byali
2013-12-18 18:55
interestating
2013-12-18 18:16
#4
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World fapper 
Virtus Pro!!!
2013-12-18 18:16
+
2013-12-18 18:17
Maybe
2013-12-18 18:28
#70
AdreN | 
Russia LBC_DOGG 
+1
2013-12-18 18:53
some slavic team would be great, best of slovakia, russia, ukraine and poland.
2013-12-18 19:17
Virtus pro is a bad choice for those who want an org which would appreciate and freely sponsor teams. They dont have successful teams, that causes finance problems. So, there is no doubt they'll not risk to spend their money to nowhere, especially when this org can't afford regular lan-events. Moreover, VP just does not work with foreign players, they have no experience and opportunity to do so.
2013-12-18 19:35
+1111
2013-12-19 06:14
W000000000T
2013-12-18 18:16
i know it, but...
2013-12-18 18:16
i think they can't afford that team, but let's see
2013-12-18 18:16
It was excepted, stupid move from them to join polish organisation...
2013-12-18 18:16
+1
2013-12-18 18:18
+1
2013-12-18 19:55
+1
2013-12-19 01:57
+1
2013-12-19 16:46
#9
Myanmar alon9 
"thanks to help from ZOWIE GEAR, who once AGAiN came to the rescue" wasn't it QPAD which supported them before ?
2013-12-18 18:17
ye they are lying
2013-12-18 18:23
QPAD contract ended on begining of 2013.
2013-12-18 18:29
#10
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Austria db42 
""We prefer to keep details about this decision from public, but we think that it was the only reasonable move for both parties."" " we would love to find a good organisation, which would finally support us" lol
2013-12-18 18:17
ehhh :/ good luck guys
2013-12-18 18:17
gl they really deserve a good orga
2013-12-18 18:17
#14
Lithuania iKZO 
sad, but nice to see again "AGAiN"
2013-12-18 18:17
#28
CHEDEL | 
Switzerland CHEDEL 
agree =)
2013-12-18 18:21
#15
ANGE1 | 
Russia monte:) 
LeX your time !! Virtus.Pro > TaZ
2013-12-18 18:17
Virtus Pro or EG!
2013-12-18 18:18
EG is reseved for VG and Virtus I feel its a bad orga
2013-12-18 18:20
EG ? LMFAO (^_^)
2013-12-18 18:24
koodos to ZOWIE! good luck AGAiN!
2013-12-18 18:18
Good gains from the gym
2013-12-18 18:18
poor guys
2013-12-18 18:18
No future with any polish organisation.
2013-12-18 18:18
They need to create their new label PGS
2013-12-18 18:18
#23
CHEDEL | 
Switzerland CHEDEL 
again, again and again ? waiiiiiit LOL
2013-12-18 18:18
#24
Poland Pab 
it was fail since 1st day, polish orga for international events [*]
2013-12-18 18:18
#25
Iceland bist 
I said at the beginning that there is no organisations in poland that can support that big team like them. Nothing surprising.
2013-12-18 18:20
yeeeeeee n1
2013-12-18 18:20
As everyone says it was kind of obvious anyway? How can an organisation you never really have heard of suddenly support a big team like this. I don't even understand why they joined..haha.
2013-12-18 18:21
Will they ever find a good organization? lmao, I expected that since polish organizations are not stable
2013-12-18 18:22
wot ?!
2013-12-18 18:22
Verygames will pick them and US pick ex VG
2013-12-18 18:22
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2013-12-18 18:23
#34
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China Specster 
I want them to stay as again but made a professional orga with their own sponsors, again is legendary name, team that won WCG being homeless. So much respect and love and luck for the guys! Zowie is also doing really nice job
2013-12-18 18:23
One of their biggest regrets as a team was not turning PGS into a "brand" name. kind've dont blame them... what was their most stable org...? Vitrolic?? ESC? MYM? Idk.. with what theyve paid out of pocket or with the help of qpad/zowie they might be better off. Carmac, sponsor these guys! IEM - Neo ;D
2013-12-18 18:45
PGS was an organisation (Pentagram) sponsored by PokerStrategy and G-Shock
2013-12-18 18:48
What happened, did it collapse? I remember loord saying he wished they'd turned PGS into a brand. Maybe it was something else. I miss good ol' PGS. I feel that was when CS was the most fun to watch.
2013-12-18 18:52
Their biggest mistake was leaving PGS and joining MYM, they left PGS alone and then the orga disbanded.
2013-12-18 18:55
exactly, they went for the big bucks and MYM went bankrupt and, by the time that happened, PGS was already closed
2013-12-18 18:56
PGS was the best polish orga ever, if they continued with them, this would be as huge as navi now
2013-12-18 18:58
#106
Poland jMS 
PGS couldn't actually afford them. With the great success G5 was achieving there was need to support them (mostly with cash for travels etc) while orga struggled with getting sources to do it.
2013-12-18 19:26
false, PGS had budget for all that but MYM simply offered them bigger salaries - as they did with their WC3 players - and ultimately that lead to their demise.
2013-12-18 19:47
#125
Poland jMS 
Long time ago, Ryan, their manager when they were in PGS, was saying exactly what I mean in comment above, so that is not really true.
2013-12-18 19:52
#144
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China Specster 
he is right, you are wrong. PGS was not able to pay all the trips around the world + salaries.
2013-12-18 20:26
Virtus Pro!
2013-12-18 18:23
omg esport in poland is killed ... gl Victor&co!
2013-12-18 18:24
wtf
2013-12-18 18:25
hahahaha 2013-12-18 it's real! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA xD
2013-12-18 18:25
Thanks Zowie!!!
2013-12-18 18:26
Come on . Go to GAMBIT GAMING
2013-12-18 18:27
Verygames !!
2013-12-18 18:27
just fucking find a job where money is guaranteed.
2013-12-18 18:29
#49
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Brazil LIPE1 
AGAiN neo[t] >>
2013-12-18 18:30
HAHAHAHA wtf :D
2013-12-18 18:31
Much better name and, respectively, the abbreviation wont be [US] (which reminded of the USA)
2013-12-18 18:32
#52
reatz | 
Poland Keruzz 
expected, polish organisations always sux
2013-12-18 18:32
SK neo SK TaZ SK Pasha <3
2013-12-18 18:33
WAT :O ?!
2013-12-18 18:34
The question is, how does this leave them in regards to ESEA... :P Good luck guys, hope you find the home you deserve.
2013-12-18 18:38
Hopefully they can attend ESEA finals
2013-12-18 18:38
#59
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Brazil skuggz 
A GaiN
2013-12-18 18:41
Pentagram G-Shock?
2013-12-18 18:44
another team disband :( sad day for CS GO...
2013-12-18 18:46
They didint disband, can you read?
2013-12-18 19:01
He cant read.
2013-12-18 19:08
He probably was talking about losing an org and being unable to attend events in the future.
2013-12-18 19:23
and saying "we dont know what the future holds..."
2013-12-19 00:10
SK? :>
2013-12-18 18:46
Wish u guys the best
2013-12-18 18:46
I've seen TaZ today playing without the US logo, was wondering if they're left without an org again, and now this news came up. Creating their own org would be kinda risky, but also the best choice for them I think, since we all know how they end up joining any org;)
2013-12-18 18:48
#69
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Singapore The_Fiend[fA] 
Zowie is practically the second coming of Jesus for Neo and co.
2013-12-18 18:52
#76
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Argentina Stricken.- 
ESC ?
2013-12-18 18:58
hope they wil find decent organisation
2013-12-18 19:01
loved the poles for years; pls give them a good and stable home
2013-12-18 19:02
our home is Poland but its going down we need sinking ship :((
2013-12-18 20:38
neogear maybe sponsor them???
2013-12-18 19:04
#83
SpawN | 
Iceland vasyl86 
they already sponsor them. Neogear sells Zowie gear.
2013-12-18 19:05
#82
SpawN | 
Iceland vasyl86 
creating a new organization - good move. i think they could find some decent sponsors, they have relationships in esports area, they are popular so it's very good idea to start something new.
2013-12-18 19:04
RIP US[A]
2013-12-18 19:05
Who is US, now they even not in top10. If you are weak don't deserve to be in any organisation. G5 was good on 1.6 but now they suck bal.. hard and it never change. Drama story begins, time to quit.
2013-12-18 19:06
Lol, they are for sure in top10. I would say top5 even as they just get unlucky and lose many close rounds in past tournaments :)
2013-12-18 19:13
top5 ? u win or lose , there is no such a bullshit "lose many close rounds" , NiP,ex-VG,CPHW,AD,fnatic,LGB,coL, i would even say NaVi too - these teams are better than US , probably there are a few more ...
2013-12-18 19:21
+ n!faculty + Recursive + SK Gaming
2013-12-18 20:24
probably clan-mystik to :D
2013-12-18 20:44
n! and sk hahahahhhahahaha u made my day
2013-12-18 20:52
recursive? maybe. The other two? absolutely not
2013-12-18 21:48
AGAiN > coL im 100% sure they could beat them on lan, maybe they will prove it at esea, but still they are not top5 same as col
2013-12-20 03:46
They aren't even close to the top 10. 10th at best. NiP VG Fnatic AD uG coL Na'Vi LGb Clan-Mystik Are all absolutely better teams.
2013-12-18 23:08
clueless
2013-12-19 00:46
clueless
2013-12-19 02:06
h3h3. Top 5 like I said
2013-12-22 21:54
Americans u are overhyped with coL really, they won 1 match on lan 2-1 vs Astana and they are already top5?!?!? xDDD nip, vg, fnatic, lgb, navi, again, recrusive, n! > coL
2013-12-20 03:49
Polish overhyped on Again when they won 0 things against top teams? Everyone > Again
2013-12-20 04:47
They brush up on their plays to get on top. And i bet they are going to keep it up even when things turn against them. Whether they find an org or not, their squad will stick together until hope leaves them.
2013-12-18 19:20
#87
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Argentina atriX^ 
they lose another org yet AGAiN.
2013-12-18 19:06
#88
woxic | 
Turkey EPHESUS 
need LoordB
2013-12-18 19:06
#89
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Switzerland texo 
PENTAGRAM!
2013-12-18 19:06
#90
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Poland Marcines 
wtf
2013-12-18 19:07
#91
Germany VxO4 
no esea for them i guess
2013-12-18 19:08
Pretty sure they already have a new orga.(unofficially) No need 2 pity em, this time.
2013-12-18 19:11
VG Neo inc
2013-12-18 19:10
#96
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France cedd 
get good sponsor then go to ESEA pls
2013-12-18 19:15
It will be hard for them to find good organization since better teams are also looking for org.. I mean VG and ex-CPHw
2013-12-18 19:24
They are not good enough at the moment to deserve top sponsors.
2013-12-18 19:25
+1
2013-12-18 19:26
#109
Poland jMS 
can both agree and disagree. This is a unfortunate cycle. They struggle to get success, because they don't recieve proper support from orgas, but ALSO they don't recieve proper support, because they struggle to get success. Belive me or not, but in Poland a professional gamer is definitely not a job, that will pay you all the living cost. US was definitely not a organisation that can provide super conditions so they also had to do other jobs in order to cover their monthly payments for the most basic things, and that also means, they couldnt fully focus on their target, which is come back to the shape from 1.6
2013-12-18 19:31
The problem is they've had so much time from the very beginning of CSGO and still havent proved anything or look challenging against top teams, some good online results but if its Nip VS Again or VG vs Again u know from the very beginning that it will be 2 - 0. Having proper sponsors isnt an excuse very few teams are getting paid enough to not have another job, Again simply needs to be better.
2013-12-18 20:17
and SK lineup do? or german teams?
2013-12-18 19:39
Owners of organizations decide by themselves where and how to spend their money as well as who to trust. However, i dont think that your example is good. If some team often wins tournaments or takes prize places, this kind of team will find someone to sponsor and back up.
2013-12-18 19:51
SK looks like a better bet than Again, SK took a chance with them as they are a new team and unfortunately AGAIN has peaked and has shown nothing to say they are a top team from the very beginning of GO.
2013-12-18 20:25
#107
Poland jMS 
Well, that escaleted quickly!
2013-12-18 19:27
OVERDRIVE, where are you?!
2013-12-18 19:38
overdrive wants to play if he sponsors the team
2013-12-18 19:47
Exactly.
2013-12-19 03:31
Bad time to look for a new orga with CPH and VG being out there. Good luck on their own brand I guess, doubt they can last long though. Disband inc. ;(
2013-12-18 19:40
this team isn't worthy of a sponsor that they want....
2013-12-18 19:42
AGAiN <3
2013-12-18 19:51
Some time ago TaZ said that if they will part ways with US he will retire.. probably he can't do anything than gaming :(.
2013-12-18 19:59
+1, i didnt see your post and i wrote the same
2013-12-18 20:06
<Vitriolic
2013-12-18 20:02
Please answer me this. Now that Zowie is helping them do they need to change their gear for SLTV?
2013-12-18 20:02
#147
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Sweden robiinxd 
Probably not mice, but they will most likely change the rest.
2013-12-18 20:28
Ty
2013-12-19 02:45
taz once said that us is his last gaming, am i right? that if us would stop supporting them this would means the end of his career, wtf?
2013-12-18 20:05
big $$ coming soon i think
2013-12-18 20:30
I knew this was going to happen, US was a shit Orga to begin with.
2013-12-18 20:06
good for polish reality not for Global
2013-12-18 20:29
yeah, it is good orga for low polish teams
2013-12-18 22:30
Oh dear, good luck!
2013-12-18 20:13
Why is mYm still holding that shit team with Loord and co? They should drop that team and support AGAiN.. Much better choice.
2013-12-18 20:18
why would they ever come back to mym after their experience...
2013-12-18 21:38
#139
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Poland kiero 
damn you snax nothing you can do properly;/
2013-12-18 20:21
ROCCAT ??
2013-12-18 20:24
Make a new organisation "B1C3P5 G4M1NG"...
2013-12-18 20:25
what a surprise... it was sure that polish orga. could not hold those three big names more then this. Im even surprised that it was 4 months cuz i thought that they will decline it after first payment which would not come. They wait 4 month? or US had just cash for three first months. Maybe it was good choice for US orga. now this name is kind of popular xD IF i remember correct Taz said US is his/their last orga. so probably they have some offer now or good moneys coming soon with their own option for future, or just want take some easy money from SLTV then part over( which i hope will not happen). Btw. Good Luck u surly deserve it after those couple years lack of luck.
2013-12-18 20:28
i dont get why did US sign them... im sure that they knew that they wont be able to keep them for long ;(
2013-12-18 22:29
incoming sponsor by Optimum Nutrition
2013-12-18 20:30
#151
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Macedonia balich 
best tag from Golden5 :D
2013-12-18 20:32
Good one on Zowie. Tired of reading these articles every 6 months, can some non-polish, Eastern European (no offence meant) organisation please pick them up? For fuck's sake!
2013-12-18 20:35
#231
BnTeT | 
Poland Freezak 
Indeed, it's just true that they got no money to support such... well not so good but yet decent teams that needs to be supported with money to play on international tournaments.
2013-12-19 12:43
It's time for a retirement, lads.
2013-12-18 20:37
NOOOOOOOOOO !!!
2013-12-18 20:45
AGAiN? xD
2013-12-18 20:37
when will csgo have decent tournaments prizes like in 1.6 before ? . we need at least 3 big tournaments a year + esea to keep organizations alive or teams with no organizations hope to play this game
2013-12-18 20:51
They will create new organization together with Ryan, ex pentagram~ manager.
2013-12-18 21:08
#169
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Sweden BenneDoT 
This is probably the only "TOP" team in csgo who never wins anything x[ (other top teams are AD, Fnatic, VG, CoL, CW, CM, Nip...
2013-12-18 21:14
if golden 5 would have good organization, there were the best
2013-12-18 21:27
in 1.6 sure in cs go not by a mile they are 2nd tier team at best have been ever since they switched to go
2013-12-18 21:39
but they have had never good orga with support... they can not focus on playing
2013-12-19 10:12
so...these guys and vg both qualified for esea, but no announced sponsors yet for them :( ubergeekz has no sponsor either lol. only lgb
2013-12-18 21:37
ups it's happened again
2013-12-18 21:50
again AGAiN
2013-12-18 22:16
they are so fuckin unlucky ;(
2013-12-18 22:25
#186
NEO | 
Lithuania QUIN4s 
if im not mistaken last time i saw again they won wcg09, so im waiting some lan 1st places from them!
2013-12-18 22:27
yea this is good news. Without orga they play better than with;)
2013-12-18 22:36
actually they won wcg 2011 with tag AGAiN then ESC took them
2013-12-19 02:56
here we go AGAiN
2013-12-18 22:45
#193
United Kingdom vL- 
again
2013-12-18 22:52
#194
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up 
MYM please drop the useless D&B team and pick these guys up. They're not consistent whatsoever but they're promising.
2013-12-18 22:55
MYM is not big and rich orga like it was few years ago man
2013-12-20 03:50
retire is coming up
2013-12-18 23:20
Rather your stupid comments based on your hate on Poles are coming up =)
2013-12-18 23:25
TaZ said: US is his last team!?
2013-12-18 23:38
TaZ wrote a whole inspirational speech on how they will stick with US to the end.... nek minnit. He's just a drama queen.
2013-12-19 01:57
GG guys
2013-12-19 01:19
Welp, no more top teams on USA...
2013-12-19 01:47
:(
2013-12-19 03:08
These guys should be MYM
2013-12-19 03:58
SK-gaming :D AGAiN and AGAiN
2013-12-19 05:42
Taz wrote that they will retire if they have to change organization again, so again taz is a lair
2013-12-19 07:13
yeah, but it came too early...
2013-12-19 10:10
glglgl :)
2013-12-19 08:51
racism, ban hitler
2013-12-19 10:18
u cant named them AGAiN ;)
2013-12-19 13:34
AGAiN!!!
2013-12-19 13:47
Virtus.pro > Neo Virtus.pro > Pasha Virtus.pro > Byali Virtus.pro > Snax Virtus.pro > Tax
2013-12-19 16:01
no pls
2013-12-20 03:50
wow gl
2013-12-19 16:58
ZOWIE & QPAD these are only organisations what are always with AGAiN good guys !
2013-12-19 17:43
i think they should make their own organisation with ZOWiE/QPAD as a main sponsor... I think they could be interested to sponsor their own orga
2013-12-20 03:51
#251
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World fapper 
+1
2013-12-20 10:36
#240
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Bulgaria raponq 
Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski Pawe; "byali" Bieliski bb + kuben & Loord :}
2013-12-20 00:16
#250
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Taiwan SCVready 
Every time they change to AGAiN, they rape all the teams in tournaments.
2013-12-20 07:07
ex VG, ex US and ex CPHW Three Top Teams without a organisation. Alliance/EG, Millenium, Acer and Virtus Pro are the only western Teams left who could support those Teams with a salary and travel support. But wouldn't be surprised if Virtus, Acer and Millenium will focus on other relevant esport games. gl Again
2013-12-20 10:37
gl Again
2013-12-20 20:12
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