HLTV.org April 2014 world ranking

lurppis
April 14th, 2014 15:00

HLTV.org have composed a Counter-Strike: Global Offensive team world ranking in the aftermath of EMS One, just in time for this week's Copenhagen Games.

The ranking was put together by Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen and Petar "Tgwri1s" Milovanovic, though all the teams' placings are reasoned in the article below and are based on their tournament results.

We have emphasized LAN event results, with most weight on the majors, over placings online, and more recent accomplishments over old ones. Our cut-off date for results we've listed under each team is DreamHack Winter 2013.

Due to Copenhagen Games approaching, we talked to the people in charge of their Counter-Strike tournament and they have agreed to use our ranking, which we extended for them privately, as their seedings.

Because we feel seedings are done improperly as of right now in Counter-Strike, we also plan to extend this offer to other tournaments taking place in the future in hopes of getting rid of seeding pools altogether.

Our ranking features the twelve clear top teams in the world, and they are counted down from twelve to one, so reading the article from top to bottom should include no spoilers.

Though based on results, the ranking is still subjective and arguments can be made against some of the team's placings in it, but our emphasis on different factors led to the results below.

Entrance to Copenhagen Games

Copenhagen Games use our ranking as seedings for 2014 event 

12. Ukraine Natus Vincere (Edward, GuardiaN, seized, starix, Zeus)

LAN results: Online results:
13-16th Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 9-12th Fragbite Masters 2014
2nd Ukraine SLTV StarSeries VIII Finals 5-8th Fragbite Masters 2013
13-16th Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013    

Natus Vincere have achieved the twelfth place in our ranking. Although they have had some good wins online, and placed second at SLTV StarSeries VIII Finals in late December, they have bombed out of both CS:GO majors in dead last place and haven't exactly impressed with their placings in the two Fragbite Masters tournaments they have taken part in.

On the other hand, they have two very explosive players in Ioann "Edward" Sukhariev and Ladislav "GuardiaN" Kovács, and are currently 10-1-3 in SLTV StarSeries IX. Na`Vi are looking to guarantee a spot in the playoffs after a strong season that has included wins over powerhouses such as Titan and Virtus.pro, and a tie against fnatic.

Something of note is also their inability to win close games against other teams on this list. Na`Vi rank tied for 7-9th in winning percentage against other top teams in close (+-3 rounds or overtime) games, and they are second worst of them all in close games overall, only above fnatic. That's an odd stat considering the old Na`Vi team was so strong mentally. Na`Vi is also by far the worst team against other top teams with a 25-4-49 record.

One key to this team's success is Sergey "starix" Ischuk, who looked to be on the verge of becoming a star in CS:GO in late fall of 2013 with stellar AWP play at a number of events, including this performance versus US. Youngster Denis "seized" Kostin keeps improving, and there is little doubt about Danilo "Zeus" Teslenko's leadership or entry killing abilities.

For some reason there is a disconnect though, as Na`Vi haven't been able to make waves at either CS:GO major. According to our previews they were favorites to advance to the playoffs, making top eight and all but guaranteeing a top eight place in this ranking, but fell short against fnatic, Clan-Mystik and LGB twice. Those are all top teams though, and Na`Vi were in each event's toughest group.

The Ukrainians are a sleeping giant. I expect them to come out swinging in the future, but with them skipping Copenhagen Games after last year's debacle and potentially missing out on SLTV StarSeries IX Finals, we don't yet know when that will be. It's only a matter of time before they get a favorable group draw, warm up and achieve a solid placing at a big event. Up until then, they have to settle for twelfth place, for each team above them has achieved more.


Na`Vi's struggles at the majors place them outside of the top ten 

11. United States iBUYPOWER (AZK, DaZeD, Skadoodle, steel, swag)

LAN results Online results
13-16th Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 3rd CEVO Main Season 3
1st United States ESEA Invite Season 15 Finals 1st coL 10th Anniversary
13-16th Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013    

iBUYPOWER are an odd team. After a long history of failure after failure under the Curse brand, the team finally seemed to put it all together by beating compLexity once and Titan twice en route to an ESEA championship in January. Then international play reared its, for iBP, ugly head, and they were knocked out 13-16th in Katowice.

Two roster changes later iBUYPOWER are once again America's favorite team to watch come next event. They once again seemingly have endless potential with the addition of coL's star Braxton "swag" Pierce, and having removed two of the members who were part of all their failures could help Sam "DaZeD" Marine turn the ship around and lead iBP to some good placings.

For now there is no argument for Derrick "impulsivE" Truong's team to be above anyone else on this ranking though. They get the nod over Natus Vincere because they won ESEA over Titan while the CIS-based team's best merit is a second place at SLTV StarSeries VIII Finals, but there is literally no way you could rank a team with two 13-16th placings at the majors any higher up.

iBUYPOWER have not been a competitive team against top teams overseas, ever. They still haven't put it all together, but having changed two members and having plenty of time to practice before their next event, as they've elected to not attend Copenhagen Games, could be just what the doctor ordered, but it could also not be enough.

I'm not going to be sold on iBUYPOWER until they actually play good Counter-Strike in Europe. We already saw their potential at ESEA, though one could argue it was Titan's game to lose, but they have yet to realize any of it in an official game overseas, though according to Marine they've been devastatingly good in practice. We've read about their success in practice, but we also know that holds literally zero weight; it just means they have potential that was never realized.

The next couple of spots are up for grabs, especially with the turmoil compLexity is in after Pierce's departure. This ongoing ESEA season, its finals and the next international event that iBUYPOWER attends in Europe will give us a much better idea of how their new roster does against the rest of the field, but the past suggests they are just outside the top ten.


swag hopes to help iBUYPOWER score a win on European soil 

10. France Clan-Mystik (GMX, HaRts, kennyS, kioShiMa, Sf)

LAN results Online results
9-12th Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 7-8th Fragbite Masters 2014
9-12th Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013 4th fnatic FragOut League 3
    1st GSL Egamingbets Cup
    5-8th FACEIT January Cup
    2nd Fragbite Masters 2013

Clan-Mystik is a tough team to put your finger on. Kenny "kennyS" Schrub is easily one of the world's biggest impact players, and can win games on his own. On the other hand, for CM to achieve top placings at events he would basically have to do just that; the roster simply isn't deep enough to challenge some of the world's best teams without it. That's a big burden on the young French, one he can't seem to carry all year long.

Aside from a win over LDLC, CM have been unimpressive to say the least in SLTV StarSeries IX. That and EMS One are also Schrub's weakest events individually, but the causality could go either way. Clan-Mystik are a top team, and they can defeat anyone in a single match, as shown by their win over NiP in ESEA S16, but they are also not consistently better than anyone above them in this ranking, as shown by their finishes at the majors. They've also scored some cheap placings, such as the GSL Cup win, due to others (in that case HR) upsetting the better teams for them.

Copenhagen Games would have been a good event for CM to get more experience, but they have opted to skip the tournament in Denmark in favor of a weak French event, where they should be all but guaranteed a win. Good way to make some quick cash, not so good if you wish to improve as a team. That also calls Clan-Mystik's long terms goals into question, and makes me wonder whether this team can be the one for Schrub for an extended period of time.

Ever since the roster changes that saw the new Clan-Mystik appear from the players left out of the LDLC squad, CM have been a team in no man's land. They can beat very good teams, and they can lose against some weaker teams. They aren't very consistent, and they can't exactly call themselves a contender; not even close. You always wonder if the form that gave them an ESWC championship may return, but only two players remain from that roster.

In the Frenchmen's defense Schrub did say prior to EMS One Katowice that his side weren't able to practice properly due to leader Michael "HaRtS" Zanatta's schooling, which is an understandable reason, but it also shows where this team's priorities lie. I'm not sure those priorities are the same for everyone, and in a way Schrub seems like a misfit for this team.

Only the far future will tell how Clan-Mystik will continue to develop, as they won't make the SLTV Finals or be at Copenhagen Games. No other international events are currently planned, so it may take as long as until mid-June and for DreamHack Summer to roll around to see them in action internationally. Till then, they must settle for rounding up the top ten.


kennyS is the star CM relies on 

9. Ukraine HellRaisers (AdreN, ANGE1, Dosia, kucher, markeloff)

LAN results Online results
5-8th Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 7-8th Fragbite Masters 2014
4th Ukraine SLTV StarSeries VIII Finals 5-6th fnatic FragOut League 3
5-8th Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013 2nd GSL Egamingbets Cup


3-4th FACEIT January Cup


5-8th Fragbite Masters 2013

HellRaisers are a frustrating team to watch. On one hand they are a nightmare match-up for NiP and continue to score wins against the Swedes, but on the other one they also keep dropping games against significantly weaker opposition online and seem inconsistent at best. Such a shame considering the potential this team had in the fall prior to the change that saw Ioann "Edward" Sukhrariev replaced with former Virtus.pro player Emil "kucher" Akhundov.

Under Astana Dragons flag they were a clear top three team in the world, despite rumoured struggles with Sukhariev. After Akhundov joined the team has struggled finishing in the top eight at events, and the last place finish at SLTV StarSeries VIII Finals, which included a series loss versus GamePub, was catastrophic. HellRaisers simply can't play well consistently enough to achieve top finishes, which is visible from their tournament record above.

Mihail "Dosia" Stolyarov and Yegor "markeloff" Markelov have ridiculous potential individually, and it's mindboggling to see HR first defeat the world's absolute best teams in Titan and NiP, only to fall short against the likes of dignitas or Clan-Mystik in the next round, as was the case at EMS One Katowice and GSL Egamingbets Cup. There is simply no way to know which HR team will show up at any given point of any event or online tournament.

The only defense I have for HR is that their sponsor situation was a mess leading up to EMS One Katowice, and while other teams were busy bootcamping, Dauren "AdreN" Kystaubayev couldn't even travel to Kiev from Kazakhstan and had to deal with a high ping. I don't see how this team, assuming they know how much better they should be, can stick together without roster changes much longer if their play doesn't improve significantly.

HellRaisers are not going to Copenhagen Games for reasons unknown, and they also won't qualify for SLTV StarSeries IX Finals, unless two teams above them in the rankings decide not to travel to Kiev (a real possibility considering the political drama going on). This team needs success, but if they don't attend events, how will they get any of it? The HR.mix featuring Alexey "OverDrive" Birukov instead of Yegor "markeloff" Markelov at Voronezh Cup does not count.

This is the single team that I would assume top players from teams above them on the list don't like playing against, because even though over the long run they average to just ninth in the world, in any given series they can beat anyone, and have, on multiple occasions. Just ask NiP, whose 16-14 comeback win in the current season of SLTV was their first win over the AD/HR team since the end of September. Something isn't right.


HellRaisers have some things to figure out 

8. France LDLC (apEX, Happy, KQLY, Maniac, Uzzziii)

LAN results Online results
5-8th Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 4th Fragbite Masters 2014
5-8th Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013 1st fnatic FragOut League 3
    3-4th FACEIT December Cup

When LDLC was born out of Nameless (ex-Recursive) and Clan-Mystik Dan "apEX" Madesclaire was the first to tell HLTV.org how psyched they were to finally be able to call them professional gamers. They haven't been a disappointment by any means, as they've achieved very good results online and a solid top eight finish in Katowice, but they also haven't exactly blown up the bank.

LDLC round up the top eight with their two 5-8th place finishes at the majors, and a good record of results online. They are clearly less intimidating as an opponent than the CIS-based squad below them in the ranking, but although they match up worse against most teams above them, they are still consistently stronger than HellRaisers, which puts them one spot above them. Unfortunately for LDLC there is no way for them to get any higher up on the ranking though, as everyone in the top seven has at least one top four finish at the majors.

There is also the case of Recursive including two players no longer part of LDLC at DreamHack Winter, including Kenny "kennyS" Schrub, whose impact can not be overestimated. Currently LDLC are a solid top eight team, and with Schrub on the team they were close to a top four finish at DreamHack Winter, but at EMS One they were absolutely blown out by Virtus.pro in their quarter-final. They had an easy bracket in FFO3, but are still clearly a tough match-up for fnatic, whom they took down en route to their win.

Copenhagen Games will be a nice chance for LDLC to showcase their talent with everyone above them but the Americans present, but the Frenchmen won't be appearing at SLTV StarSeries IX Finals, as they've had a disappointing online season that sees them place far outside of playoff spot contention. Still a good sign to see them travel to Denmark though, as opposed to chasing easy money in France like Clan-Mystik are doing.

The big question mark for LDLC is their starplayer Hovik "KQLY" Tovmassian. After an MVP-like performance for Clan-Mystik at ESWC last year, he's been invisible at best at the two majors, failing to break 0.65 KPR at either and finishing EMS One with a catastrophic K-D difference of -40 despite making the quarter-finals with his team. He must start playing like he does online if LDLC hope to make waves in the future, and the BYOC-like format of Copenhagen Games might be good for him.

For now LDLC have to deal with the fact they are the eighth best team in the world, but not much more. It's obvious the potential to greater things is there, but until Tovmassian plays like he does online you shouldn't expect to see them in the semi-finals of big events. They aren't a very good match-up for anyone but fellow countrymen Titan and fnatic, so a top four finish would require a lucky bracket draw, or development from the team.


apEX's LDLC have not met their expectations 

7. United States compLexity (anger, Hiko, n0thing, semphis, sgares)

LAN results Online results
5-8th Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 1st CEVO Main Season 3
3rd United States ESEA Invite Season 15 Finals 2nd coL 10th Anniversary
3-4th Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013    

Despite the change that saw Braxton "swag" Pierce depart and former iBUYPOWER member Todd "anger" Williams join, compLexity can not be ranked below the top seven, simply because of their finishes at the last two majors. Our top seven features all seven teams who made top four at either major, as it should be considering the importance of those two events.

Not only did compLexity finish 3-4th at DreamHack Winter, they also had a good showing at EMS One Katowice, though it was cut short by NiP in the quarter-finals, but only after three maps of battle. Their weak showing at ESEA S15 Finals didn't exactly raise their stock, but they still had a close series with Titan, and played well more recently in Katowice.

coL have struggled mightily in ESEA Invite's current season since the addition of Williams, with four losses in seven games and their finals spot in jeopardy. Considering the expenses that incur with every overseas trip, it's extremely important for Sean "sgares" Gares' team to pick up the slack and finish the season strong to guarantee a shot at Europeans once more at the finals in June.

With the background the core of Spencer "Hiko" Martin, Kory "semphis" Friesen and Gares have since CS:GO's beginning in Area51, Quantic Gaming and compLexity, it's hard to see the American giant not turning the ship around. Many say Pierce was their best player, and that was the case in Katowice, but one shouldn't forget it'd been Martin carrying the fragging load for a long time before that.

compLexity played more skill reliant Counter-Strike in Poland than we're used to seeing them play, and I would argue it goes against their strength. It remains to be seen if Williams fits the mold they used Pierce in, or whether they will have to completely change their game. I assume they will go for option number two, if they even stick to this roster.

Williams' addition seemed oddly fast after Pierce's departure, and especially if they fail to qualify for ESEA Finals I could see a big rebuilding happening in compLexity. Qualifying for ESEA, and a chance to face Europeans in June, is the number one goal for coL, and it's still within reach. But they have to start playing like a top two team in America, even if they aren't top seven in the world in their current shape.


Hiko wasn't himself in Katowice 

6. Sweden LGB (cype, dennis, KRiMZ, olofm, twist)

LAN results Online results
3-4th Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 7-8th Fragbite Masters 2014
2nd Sweden Svecup Finals 2013 5-6th fnatic FragOut League 3
5-8th Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013 2nd FACEIT March Cup


1st FACEIT December Cup


3-4th Fragbite Masters 2013

What can be said that wasn't already in "The story of LGB eSports"? These guys are one of the world's best teams, and they certainly proved that at EMS One Katowice. Their online results haven't been miraculous, but as long as they have a top four placing at the freshest major in their pocket, they're good for a top six ranking in the world in my books. They also had a strong showing at DreamHack Winter in late 2013.

Considering the speed of LGB's ascent to the absolute top of Counter-Strike, they actually seem a lot more intriguing as a team to follow than the next two teams above them, as it seems less clear how high up LGB's ceiling is. They are still very new and fresh, and based on EMS One their recent roster changes were definitely for the better.

Online LGB have been average for the most part, as shown by their weak finishes in Fragbite Masters and FFO3, but they've excelled in FACEIT Cups, where they've defeated fnatic and played NiP very close. A team with four of their current players and Marcus "Delpan" Larsson also won the FACEIT January Cup, though under EL1TEGAM3RS1337 tag, with Olof "olofm" Kajbjer missing.

Similar to HellRaisers they are a nightmare match-up for many teams due to the amount of skill they have packed in their roster, and the unpredictable nature of their game play. They are still improving, and only the future will tell how far they will get. Copenhagen Games should be a good indication, but unfortunately the Swedes aren't taking part in SLTV StarSeries IX, nor will they make the playoffs in ESEA as they currently have a 2-7 record to their name.

A top four finish in Denmark would solidify their spot as one of the world's best teams, and a top eight finish wouldn't take anything away from them. Both should be very much doable considering the bracket they are likely to get with the teams that are present, and they might even get a re-match against Virtus.pro, this time in the quarter-finals, if the seedings hold for the playoffs.

For now LGB eSports should be happy with their top six placing on this ranking, and they seem like a good match-up against nearly every team above them in this ranking; they've defeated fnatic a few times now, come very close to besting NiP and are yet to face either dignitas or Titan. Though online results ultimately set them apart of dignitas for now, they aren't far behind fifth place at all. This could be a big year for LGB, if they can continue their development throughout.


LGB look to break top four in this ranking in 2014 

5. Denmark dignitas (cajunb, device, dupreeh, FeTiSh, Xyp9x)

LAN results Online results
3-4th Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 1st Fragbite Masters 2014
4th Sweden DreamHack Stockholm 3-4th Fragbite Masters 2013
5-8th Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013    

dignitas are almost mind-numbingly consistent. Looking at their match record, they practically never lose against teams that are weaker than them, in other words below them on this ranking, yet they also hardly ever beat teams who are above them. They are a very good match-up for Titan, but no one else above them, and it's hard to see where they will gain an edge big enough to bump them to the contender category.

That being said, they are still consistently a top five team in the world. They placed 5-8th after a very narrow loss against VeryGames at DreamHack Winter, then bombed DreamHack Stockholm with two blowout losses but came back stronger than ever, literally, at EMS One Katowice where they placed 3-4th after wins over iBUYPOWER, Reason and HellRaisers. Not the most impressive top four finish, but one nonetheless.

Online dignitas have done great, winning Fragbite Masters 2014 over LDLC, Virtus.pro and Titan in the grand final. That's basically the perfect bracket for dignitas; they have always done well against Titan, while they consistently get blown out by NiP, as happened at EMS One. Copenhagen Games will be a great opportunity for dignitas to gain a higher spot in the ranking, as they will get to play on their home soil with all the teams above them in attendance.

dignitas pack a lot of firepower in the trio of Renè "cajunb" Borg, Nicolai "device" Reedtz and Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen, and even former fnatic breakout star Andreas "Xyp9x" Højsleth has had his moments. In-game leader Henrik "FeTiSh" Christensen's approach to running this team clearly yields results, as the Danes have consistently been in the top eight of every event they've attended since the Copenhagen Wolves days.

Yet something is missing. You don't see fanatic dignitas fans like you see for other teams, you don't see them receive the same kind of hype, and even their top four finish in Poland was very quiet. Their winning percentage of 63.6% in close games versus top teams is amazing, but the sample size is small, and more often than not they lose in a blowout. They aren't exactly in the spotlights, and it's possible they like it that way, too. However, for them to start winning tournaments, they will have to step in. Let's see how their progress continues later on in 2014.


device is one of dignitas' fraggers 

4. Sweden fnatic (Devilwalk, flusha, JW, pronax, schneider)

LAN results  Online results
5-8th Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 5-6th Fragbite Masters 2014
3rd Sweden DreamHack Stockholm 3rd fnatic FragOut League 3
1st Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013 5-8th FACEIT March Cup
    3-4th FACEIT January Cup
    2nd FACEIT December Cup

fnatic are by default a top four team in the world due to having won DreamHack Winter, one of the two majors held so far for CS:GO. You can't make a good case for more than three teams having accomplished more than them in the time period since late November, yet the Swedes of Patrik "cArn" Sättermon are getting dangerously close to falling out of the top four.

DreamHack Stockholm Invitational was a disappointment for fnatic. They looked extremely strong against dignitas and good for one half versus Titan, but they were then shut down fairly easily by the French-Belgians and later on NiP. At EMS One they barely made it out of the group stage after faltering against Reason, and were then quickly eliminated by LGB, who have had their number for a while now.

For fnatic to remain in the top four of the world, they will need a top four finish at Copenhagen Games. Katowice was a weak showing for fnatic, and they've been mediocre at best online as well, although they may still make the SLTV StarSeries IX Finals if they beat Clan-Mystik tonight. In comparison to dignitas they are almost like the exact opposites - very inconsistent, but with a higher ceiling and better match-up against many teams. Yet they can also lose against almost anyone.

To further build a case against fnatic, they are by far the worst top team against other top teams in close matches (+-3 rounds or overtime), only able to win roughly 27%, or one in four of such encounters. They have a better record of 61.5% against teams outside of the top twelve, but even being able to win just over half of the close games against significantly weaker teams than themselves isn't something to brag about.

fnatic are a young, still fairly inexperienced team and they will continue maturing as time goes by. They've already achieved great things at the past two main DreamHack events, but their problem is inconsistency, despite the solid leadership of Markus "pronax" Wallsten. They still have quite a few things to figure out, and one of them is making Jesper "JW" Wecksell much more consistent, and only the future will tell whether they'll get there or not.

I think fnatic's case for top four is made by their major victory, while the three teams ahead of them in the rankings have clearly done better of late than fnatic. Copenhagen Games is do or die for fnatic's hopes of remaining in top four or surpassing one of the teams above it; they can no longer afford to place 5-8th and assume that will keep them among the very best in the world.


flusha needs more help from JW & co 

3. Poland Virtus.pro (byali, Neo, pasha, snax, TaZ)

LAN results  Online results
1st Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 3rd Fragbite Masters 2014
1st Ukraine SLTV StarSeries VIII Finals    
9-12th Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013    

I'm not sure if EMS One victory alone should bring the Poles this high up on the ranking, but it is hard to make a case for any of the teams below them to deserve a higher spot. They won SLTV StarSeries VIII Finals in December, topped EMS One Katowice without many issues and have even turned a page in their online play as they managed a respectable third place finish in Fragbite Masters last month. That's a good resume.

Virtus.pro will be tested next week at Copenhagen Games, where they will no longer have the massive Polish crowd on their side, and it's almost impossible for them to be equally motivated for the event as they were for the one on their home soil. The core of this team is known for sometimes struggling at smaller events after major wins, something that happened in 2012 as they bombed out of Copenhagen Games at 9-12th after winning IEM VI World Championships just a month earlier.

The win in Katowice has a small asterisk next to it in many people's opinions simply because many question Virtus' ability to motivate themselves similarly to another event, and I think it's a deserved question. They seem like very patriotic people, and I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see an equally prepared Virtus.pro squad in Copenhagen. Their top three seed will help though, and it could pave them a way to a top four finish.

As was the case with fnatic, Virtus could be surpassed as soon as a week from now by a couple of teams with the right result in Denmark, but for now it's hard to make a case against a team that has won the most recent major tournament in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. They deserve the spotlight that is on them now, but their next events, which also include SLTV StarSeries IX Finals they've qualified for, will show whether they will truly become an elite team or not.

Jarosław "pasha" Jarząbkowski played MVP-like Counter-Strike in Katowice, significantly better statistically than he has over his CS:GO career, and the same can be said for the team's two youngsters in Janusz "snax" Pogorzelski and Paweł "byali" Bieliński. Filip "Neo" Kubski and Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas should  remain in their shape, or even improve, but it is the two newest members of the team who will most likely determine their fate in Denmark.

They were the ones who helped Virtus.pro become a top team once again, after a long year of struggles, and they are the ones who will have to keep playing well for them to remain there. Obviously it's not realistic to expect all of them to put up the kind of numbers they did in Katowice, but slightly lesser play could still lead to a bunch of W's thanks to Kubski's leadership and the solid foundation the team has.


byali played great in Katowice 

2. France Titan (Ex6TenZ, NBK, ScreaM, shox, SmithZz)

LAN results  Online results
9-12th Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 2nd Fragbite Masters 2014
1st Sweden DreamHack Stockholm 5-8th FACEIT March Cup
2nd United States ESEA Invite Season 15 Finals 5-8th Fragbite Masters 2013
3-4th Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013

Titan's second place in this ranking could be controversial. It's true their EMS One Katowice showing wasn't good by any measure, and even not winning either Fragbite Masters or FACEIT March Cup online was a disappointing result. Losing ESEA Invite Season 15 Finals against iBUYPOWER was also not what we've come to expect from the French-Belgians who dominated the scene in the fall of 2013.

Heading into DreamHack Winter they were clearly the world's best team, and despite the issues at DreamHack Stockholm Invitational in February, they were still able to take down NiP twice. They are also going to qualify for SLTV StarSeries IX Finals - assuming they defeat Clan-Mystik tonight, or fnatic loses against the Frenchmen - and look to be headed to Dallas in June as well for another shot at an ESEA Invite title. Yet, time is running out for Titan. They need a good result, and it needs to come next week.

For a team living together in a gaming house their results are not acceptable. They are capable of so much more, something they've showcased at times, but these recent failures against Virtus.pro, HellRaisers, dignitas and Property have simply made them look mortal. They keep losing against teams they should be beating, yet overall they still continue to be one of the world's strongest teams, as shown by the recent 16-2 thrashing of NiP.

If Titan were to place outside of the top two at Copenhagen Games, then we would really have to re-visit this ranking. They have a history of being a top two team in the world, and very consistent, since CS:GO tournament play began at DreamHack Valencia in 2012, but their recent results haven't been promising. I still believe they will come around and start playing on their normal level, but the time is quickly running out for Titan.

Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom has shown flashes of his old self lately, and Richard "shox" Papillon keeps making a solid case for being the world's best player, potentially even more complete than NiP's Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund. Nathan "NBK" Schmitt can be very explosive at times, and Edouard "SmithZz" Dubourdeaux has looked a lot better in the AWPing role he was given after Kenny "kennyS" Schrub's departure. It's hard to say where the problem lays.

Kevìn "Ex6TenZ" Droolans has proven he can lead this team to championships, and when considering the sample size, they have by far the most impressive winning percentage in close games out of all top teams. They have all the ingredients to be the world's best team, but lately not everything has been clicking. Pressure is on for Titan, they must perform at Copenhagen Games or they will see their ranking plummet in a week's time.


shox is definitely one of the world's best players 

1. Sweden NiP (f0rest, Fifflaren, friberg, GeT_RiGhT, Xizt)

LAN results  Online results
2nd Poland EMS One Katowice 2014 9-12th Fragbite Masters 2014
2nd Sweden DreamHack Stockholm 1st FACEIT March Cup
1st Sweden Svecup Finals 3rd GSL Egamingbets Cup
2nd Sweden DreamHack Winter 2013 1st Fragbite Masters 2013

Make no mistake about it, NiP are currently the world's best team, but it's by a hair and practically by default. They have placed second at three of their last international tournaments, and although they've qualified for SLTV StarSeries IX Finals and look to be headed to ESEA Invite Season 16 Finals as well, their they have also struggled to stay consistent online, losing to HR in both GSL Cup and Fragbite Masters for measly 3rd and 9-12th place finishes.

In a way that is all noise though; we all know NiP can win any event at any time, and they have one of the world's top two players in Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund, as well as one of the all-time greats in Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg. HellRaisers are a nightmare of a match-up for NiP, and a team they must figure out as soon as possible, but luckily for them the CIS-based team will not be present in Copenhagen, which makes their work a lot easier.

The only team in Denmark who NiP have a history of losing against is Titan. The two are the top two seeds and should not meet before the grand final, if they make it that far. Had NiP won Katowice there would be very little doubt they are the world's best team, but being unable to win versus Virtus.pro, a clear underdog, casts a shadow over their placing that saw them once more frontrun over weaker opponents to get to the grand final.

Alesund and Lindberg's record in major finals isn't great, and NiP are actually right in the middle in terms of winning percentage in close matches at 41.9%. It's not a bad number, but would you have guessed that NiP more often lose a close game (+-3 rounds or overtime) than not? There is also the case of them seemingly constantly changing their in-game leader, and all the issues that must bring to the team over the long term in lack of continuation.

Whether it's Richard "Xizt" Landström or Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson in the reigns, the Ninjas continue not disappointing, as proven by the three top two finishes in a row. They still seem to lack that extra something, and it's a little concerning seeing so many narrow losses as of late, with seemingly no improvement. They get another chance at redemption in Denmark, and one later on at SLTV StarSeries IX Finals, an event they have notoriously struggled on in the past, despite Alesund's heroics bringing them one victory.

Defending their Copenhagen Games championship would settle the discussion and place NiP at number one in the world. Another second place finish would make a lot of questions come up, and a placing outside of the grand final would probably knock them down a spot, depending on who wins. They are no longer the kind of dominant force they were during the legendary 87-0 run, but they are the world's best team, even if by a hair. Let's see if they remain that after next week.


Will GeT_RiGhT's NiP return to winning form in Denmark? 

With all the top twelve spots handed out above, we have completed the April 2014 edition of the HLTV.org CS:GO world ranking. Once again, below is a table of the full ranking for quick viewing:

1. Sweden NiP (f0rest, Fifflaren, friberg, GeT_RiGhT, Xizt)
2. France Titan (Ex6TenZ, NBK, ScreaM, shox, SmithZz)
3. Poland Virtus.pro (byali, Neo, pasha, snax, TaZ)
4. Sweden fnatic (Devilwalk, flusha, JW, pronax, schneider)
5. Denmark dignitas (cajunb, device, dupreeh, FeTiSh, Xyp9x)
6. Sweden LGB (cype, dennis, KRiMZ, olofm, twist)
7. United States compLexity (anger, Hiko, n0thing, semphis, sgares)
8. France LDLC (apEX, Happy, KQLY, Maniac, Uzzziii)
9. Ukraine HellRaisers (AdreN, ANGE1, Dosia, kucher, markeloff)
10. France Clan-Mystik (GMX, HaRts, kennyS, kioShiMa, Sf)
11. United States iBUYPOWER (AZK, DaZeD, Skadoodle, steel, swag)
12. Ukraine Natus Vincere (Edward, GuardiaN, seized, starix, Zeus)

Although these rankings continue to live and will probably change already after Copenhagen Games and SLTV StarSeries IX Finals, we don't plan on updating these rankings on a monthly basis.

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good stuff
2014-04-14 15:01
"it's mindboggling to see HR first defeat the world's absolute best teams in Titan and NiP, only to fall short against the likes of dignitas or Clan-Mystik" dignitas rank 5, hellraisers rank 9; seems legit
2014-04-14 19:42
? He pointed out they were inconsistent, that's why they are rank 9. I see nothing wrong with his logic or their ranking.
2014-04-15 01:13
? How is it inconsistent to lose to a team that is better than you (by the same ranking)...unless it was indeed Uk dignitas
2014-04-15 17:33
They are lower on the ranking BECAUSE they lose to teams like dignitas. They have more potential than dignitas, but are far more inconsistent is what Lurppis is saying.
2014-04-15 22:03
#359
MUTiRiS | 
Portugal antCB 
dignitas, lately, have been nothing more than consistent, imo.
2014-04-17 03:45
i believe they lost to the UK dignitas under ASD?
2014-04-15 14:06
GJ
2014-04-14 15:03
in my opinion : dignitas > fnatic :D
2014-04-14 15:03
#48
Poland n1u 
+1
2014-04-14 15:49
#55
World Jeza 
Yes, +1
2014-04-14 15:59
+1
2014-04-14 16:12
never
2014-04-14 16:14
+1
2014-04-14 16:15
+1
2014-04-14 16:16
never ever
2014-04-14 17:32
atm yes, but overall not (imo)
2014-04-14 17:44
Achievement wise fnatic>Dignitas, winning DHW puts them in the 4th spot.
2014-04-14 17:46
If winning 1 major event put you up a place Virtus.pro would be first, fnatic 2nd and NiP 3rd. Don't be retarded
2014-04-14 18:33
NiP and Titan have done really well in all of those tournaments. While dignitas started winning everything in the last weeks, so you can't expect them to be first, the fifth place is great for them. If they win CPH Games they should be 4th IMO.
2014-04-14 18:53
Titan got drop in groups? :D
2014-04-14 19:37
They played one bad tournament, and your point is?
2014-04-14 19:44
"Titan have done really well in all of those tournaments"
2014-04-15 12:24
Dignitas have always been a top 4 team, so 4th is where they belong. If you actually think they've only started playing well recently the last few weeks, then it's obvious you don't even follow the scene.
2014-04-14 20:17
They certainly never have been a top4 team in terms of achievements, and that's what this ranking is based on (as it should in my opinion).
2014-04-15 03:36
They always get far in tournaments, but then fall short against the top teams, namely NiP and Titan. They can and have beaten every other team. They also are usually the winning team when they face titan. The only team the consistently lose to are NiP. Rankings should not be solely based on achievements. This isn't a reliable or accurate way to portray the best teams. imo, rankings should also take into account which teams can beat which teams. With this, the highest ranked team would be the team that consistently loses to the smallest number of teams. dignitas have been in the top 4 since last fall, due to their consistent performance against teams lower than themselves.
2014-04-15 18:21
Achievements is currently the most reliable way. Because if you take into account match-ups, it can get very complicated and create weird rankings. You proposition would be a ranking like in Chess, with the ELO system, where players win or lose a number of points according to the difference between their current points and their opponent's current points. However in CS I don't think it would be accurate enough. First of all, line-up changes would need to be covered in terms of points, a team making changes would get a penalty. Then we would need to make different coefficient for the different kind of events, since winning a game at EMS one is not the same thing as a win at Fragbite Masters. Also another different coefficient for offline vs online. It would get very messy, even if in theory it's possible. In my opinion the main problem with that is that we don't have standards to put events and leagues into strict categories. In other words we would need the standards Tennis has, in order to implement a ranking like Chess has.
2014-04-15 18:35
"Achievements is currently the most reliable way" There must be a more reliable way, otherwise we would have to say things like "fnatic are the best team in the world as they have won the biggest tournament". This obviously isn't true. There is no need to look at 'online v offline' as we don't have LANs all that often, and when we do, most run a flawed system that decreases the chances of the best two teams reaching the final. If we had LANs every weekend, then this would be viable, but if you ask anyone right now, "Who is the best teams on LAN?", no one would have a clue. The sample size just isn't big enough. This means we should just take all games into account, online or offline, and simply look at the big picture. Which teams win/lose the most.
2014-04-15 18:44
"There must be a more reliable way, otherwise we would have to say things like "fnatic are the best team in the world as they have won the biggest tournament". This obviously isn't true." Of course for every accurate ranking, you need to get a big period of time, in my opinion less than 6 months is not enough. "There is no need to look at 'online v offline' as we don't have LANs all that often" It doesn't matter, because a match at a LAN will always be more important, no matter if there are less of them, that's what coefficients are made for. A LAN match is more important because it's more accurate, less risks of cheating, less risks of ping influencing the result, etc... Not even mentioning the mental aspect of the competition there. Whether there are many of those or not doesn't cancel out their importance. The problem of the sample size is another matter, and indeed in my opinion on-line games have to be taken into account to get an accurate ranking, but they need a lesser coefficient.
2014-04-15 18:54
ok ok, I get what you are saying, I do think that 6 months is actually too long though. A team's performance can and does change drastically in a short time. I think a decent length of observation would be 3 months. Teams are less likely to sway in terms or performance, and there is most likely several online tournaments, as well as a slurry of league games. Not forgetting one or two big LANs to go with that. And I am cautious to give such importance to LAN tournaments; most teams will play less than 3 games, and due to flawed systems, the truly best teams have a larger than normal chance of not progressing. Look at EMS with Titan losing two bo1s The chance of making a mistake is enormous compared to bo3 group stages, for example. If we had a better system for LAN tournaments, and more of them. We would have a more accurate idea of which teams can beat which teams on LAN. Then everything would be fine. But we don't, so the importance of LAN games decreases slightly.
2014-04-15 19:05
Yes indeed, teams are more likely to have ups and downs during 6 months than 3 months, but that's the reason why I think 6 months is better. In my opinion, consistency is the most underrated statistic (in most of the sports), and it's mainly due to the fact that it's not something noticeable on a short period of time. But it's in fact one of the most important statistic there is. A team which performs kind of average for several months but still achieve something regularly should get a lot more credit than a team coming out of nowhere, making a big win and then vanishing like nothing happened. So yes, teams are less likely to be consistent on a 6 months period, but then it'll favor consistent teams a lot more, which is good. Anybody can have a sudden rise, but maintaining yourself at the top is the toughest part, and it should be more rewarded. I agree with you that the systems made for LAN events are really sub-optimal. I think that regardless of the group stage, all teams should advance, especially if the event already had qualifiers before... We already selected the best of the best, what's the point of getting rid of half of them right now when they can offer us a lot more entertainment? So that means some kind of double elimination bracket, but then even the lower bracket should have Bo3. And the grand final should always be Bo5, especially if there is a one map advantage for the team coming from upper bracket. The group stage could be Bo1 (since all teams advance anyway), but all teams should have to play against all teams, no more weird tree (don't remember the name of the format) like at EMS one and other events I've seen...
2014-04-15 19:54
With my 3 month rating, the list is as follows, Championship Tier - NiP, Titan Tier One - Virtus.Pro, dignitas Tier Two - LGB, fnatic, LDLC, Na'Vi Tier Three - Clan-Mystik, HellRaisers Challenger Tier - Property, mouz, k1ck, 3DMAX, h2k Any differences with you?
2014-04-15 21:14
Yes, for a 6 months period, I wouldn't place VP in Tier One, but rather in Tier Two, same for Dignitas. Fnatic and (probably) LGB would go in Tier One instead. Hellraisers would be up a tier as well, Na'Vi down one. Instead of LDLC (which would then go down) I would put compLexity. IBUYPOWER with Tier Three. But I would need to have a look at the older events to be sure about all this. Hard to rank Clan-Mystik and LDLC anyway, with the mess they caused in their line-ups recently.
2014-04-15 21:38
That is why 3 months is better. Should fnatic/LGB meet VP/dignitas, at this point in time, you'd have to give favour to VP/dignitas, even though over a 6 month period, LGB/fnatic may have performed better. Going slightly off topic now, just to ask in what world LGB is above dignitas? Even with a 6 month period. Another good example for 3 months period is hellraisers. Back when they were AD, they were a real contender for top 3. However these last months have been very bad for them. Even with their past performances, if they are playing a team that I have ranked higher, the favour will always be with the other team. I guess my ranking is more a guide for the current form of the team, where as yours looks more at past forms and ranks the teams with their short legacies in mind, kind of like asking "do they deserve this placement?" (Am I right with this, or have I completely lost it, hehe)
2014-04-15 21:48
It highly depends for what you intend to use your ranking. I'm more interested in a ranking which can determine long term performance. Indeed it's less representative of the current form of a team, or helpful for predicting the next results, but that's not really the goal either. The goal for a long term ranking is rather to establish leaders and consistent performers, in order to make seeding accurate in tournaments. In other words, it's supposed to show which team dominates the most and therefore deserves better chances for the next tournament. It's also useful for establishing records and things like that, but since we don't have an official ranking, it's out of the question right now. "Even with their past performances, if they are playing a team that I have ranked higher, the favour will always be with the other team." Not really, they've always been NiP's nemesis, and recently beat Titan at a major (even if it was Bo1), while ending up at the quarter-finals. I wouldn't say they performed that badly as HR. As for LGB, I said probably, because I'd need to refresh my memory with older data, since they're close to Dignitas and VP as far as achievements are concerned, but I don't really have the time to browse through 6 months of tournaments right now xD. I may be wrong, but I don't think I would be that far away from it.
2014-04-15 22:08
Ok, I'm glad we sorted that, I think your idea would be better for determining the correct team ranking, where as mine would be more suited for determining the teams in the the best current form. I still do think that you are way off with LGB being above dignitas though. Unfortunately I don't have the time to call you on it either :)
2014-04-15 22:31
Huh? What does "put up a place" mean? VP wouldn't be near their current rank if they wouldn't have reached the final of EMS (they might have if they lost it though).
2014-04-14 23:35
+100
2014-04-14 17:52
just look at their LAN results yo, fnatic's still better..
2014-04-14 18:33
yo dawg
2014-04-14 19:13
in my opinion LGB > Dignitas and fnatic
2014-04-14 19:47
+ 100 Even LGB>fnatic imo. Atleast they will be very soon
2014-04-14 21:27
because dignitas won dreamhack winter... noob
2014-04-19 00:50
Virtus will climb even more
2014-04-14 15:03
#172
fox | 
World WEZZyx 
i think Virtus will reach top 1 for some time;
2014-04-14 18:39
+1
2014-04-14 19:21
VP had their time, they will only go down from now on i think
2014-04-15 08:07
#287
fox | 
World WEZZyx 
i think they will achieve some more titles and than go back to top 10
2014-04-15 12:08
Virtus will drop even more* FTFY
2014-04-14 21:17
+1 They had 1 good tournament and couple of weeks after/before that tournament. Otherwise they are top 3-4 at best
2014-04-14 21:30
#5
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Liechtenstein Chamele0n 
Titan, VP, NiP, Dignitas, 5-6-7-8, fnatic
2014-04-14 15:03
i think u are wrong.. In my opinion it is: 1.NiP 2.Virtus.pro 3.titan 4.fnatic/dignitas
2014-04-14 17:10
#128
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Liechtenstein Chamele0n 
Titan > NiP Titan > VP NiP > VP NiP > fnatic VP > fnatic VP > Dignitas Dignitas > NiP Dignitas > Titan fnatic > ENCE
2014-04-14 17:25
VP > dignitas??? What are you basing that on?
2014-04-14 20:18
#216
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Liechtenstein Chamele0n 
pasha
2014-04-14 21:13
You shut your mouth!!!!
2014-04-14 21:29
buashahahahha cool story bro. and now u must turn off tour dream.
2014-04-16 19:05
#356
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Liechtenstein Chamele0n 
? vp is not better than nip and titan. fnatic is shit. and dignitas is a wild card
2014-04-16 19:20
How can VP be better than Titan or even Fnatic after winning one major. You people are delusional.
2014-04-14 17:37
cause they are..u will see it on CPH games
2014-04-14 17:59
i dont think they will be able to do what they did on EMS Katowice
2014-04-14 19:48
ok..i never told that they will..i just said VP is better than titan
2014-04-14 23:54
"are" = present "will" = future It's like saying: "It's the end of the world, you'll see tomorrow." Currently Titan have achieved more than VP, which clearly gives them a better ranking. Their head to head with these two line-ups are 7-4 in favor of VG/Titan so far, so that can't help your case either. So no, currently, they aren't, but you're right, maybe we'll see how it turns out on CPH games, maybe we won't (if they both end up with the the same kind of results, it's not gonna change a lot between these two teams).
2014-04-15 03:52
bro i dont speak about fu*king online tournaments..
2014-04-15 09:04
VG/Titan achieved more than US/VP, even if you take only LAN events.
2014-04-15 16:33
omg..EMS katowice was first LAN event for VP ...
2014-04-15 16:55
Certainly not. You really need to have a look at the history of your favorite team. Their line-up is running since last summer, and they attended several other LAN tournaments, as Universal Soldiers, then as AGAIN, and finally Virtus.pro. And their results were quite poor, except for their win at SLTV VIII (which was minor, since most of the best top teams of the moment all dropped out of the event) followed by EMS one Katowice.
2014-04-15 18:46
ok last year they were not good..but they stepped up their game much last months..i hope we will see match VP vs titans..it will be really hard for both teams..
2014-04-15 21:59
Sure, but I was talking about long term. And indeed, I'm also looking forward for their next game. The two match-ups I enjoy the most right now are Titan-VP and NiP-Titan.
2014-04-15 22:15
yes i hope we will see these matches :)
2014-04-15 22:46
#6
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Slovakia sanjuro 
but u should make these rankings regularly at least per quater
2014-04-14 15:04
+1 a monthly wrap up of events would be cool
2014-04-14 15:08
agree! Let Hltv be the FIFA in soccer.
2014-04-14 16:12
Don't be as lazy as I was when I wrote the rankings in April 2013 :( news.esea.net/csgo/index.php?s=news&d=co..
2014-04-14 16:21
#7
Norway adeyo 
if lan tournament, titan = 1.
2014-04-14 15:05
#30
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Denmark qwedsa 
nnnooope
2014-04-14 15:27
so u r saying that titan is number 1 on lan when they got knocked out in the groupstage @ katowice? cool story brah
2014-04-14 15:47
lol
2014-04-14 16:00
-1
2014-04-14 16:07
+1
2014-04-14 16:16
way to go girl
2014-04-14 16:23
:DD good one.do you remember last lan? legit
2014-04-14 16:29
Yes, if you consider exiting the tournament as the frist team being 1, i highly agree with you!
2014-04-14 16:37
Am I the only one who spotted the sarcasm on this one? lol
2014-04-14 18:24
have u missed the last lans?
2014-04-14 18:34
#8
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Finland cockcheek33 
n111
2014-04-14 15:06
Agreed, top 1,2 or even 3 are so close. To me it seems Titan are better than NiP when they play against each other, but NiP are more consistent against the other teams in this list, that's what gives them the edge.
2014-04-14 15:15
Virtus.pro are not even close to titan
2014-04-14 15:23
Yes, VP are much higher.
2014-04-14 15:39
Bro they won one event don't get too excited yet.
2014-04-14 16:02
#72
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Slovakia sanjuro 
and titan did not win any important, still VP much higher
2014-04-14 16:15
you are right. 3 is higher than 2.
2014-04-14 16:25
#86
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Slovakia sanjuro 
not in rankings, turn your brain on pls
2014-04-14 16:27
Then im confused. Cos you said they are higher. I looked at ranking And They arent... OH YES ! U ment higher on the page ? Ye i agree.
2014-04-14 16:38
"OH YES ! U ment higher on the page ? Ye i agree." Moarf, fucking troll ! xD made my day
2014-04-15 13:25
Titan have won and have a lot more top 3 places than VP, you don't just judge rankings by one single event you fucking idiot jesus christ.
2014-04-14 17:47
#208
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Slovakia sanjuro 
they won top 3 places except 1st :D, actually on lan VP > Titan, just deal with it fucking idiot :D
2014-04-14 20:11
agree
2014-04-15 03:32
Actually no, VG/Titan were more successful than VP on LAN (it's not even close). I think it's time for you to have a look at the archives ^^.
2014-04-15 03:57
9-12th DreamHack Winter 2013 Another major they did shit at, they play well at home soil and you rate them higher than Titan, are you seriously braindead????
2014-04-15 13:28
#330
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Slovakia sanjuro 
u are retards living in the past, 5 months are VP in new lineup thats long enough to rank them, VP won 1 major, Titan won 0 major and now fuck off
2014-04-15 19:17
thats the same lineup at dreamhack btw
2014-04-15 19:37
we will see, if VP finish higher than Titan in the next major ill delete my account and never return to hltv again and if titan finish higher you do the same, hf bye
2014-04-15 19:18
#362
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Slovakia sanjuro 
u are lucky i dont consider cph games as major otherwise i would demand your account deletion noob
2014-04-19 12:11
nobody would consider it a major you fucking dumbass, 250k tournaments are majors.
2014-04-19 12:15
#364
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Slovakia sanjuro 
everybody is general after the war, you are just retarded deal with it
2014-04-19 12:17
we will see, if VP finish higher than Titan in the next major ill delete my account and never return to hltv again and if titan finish higher you do the same, hf bye
2014-04-19 12:21
But they won several others, and placed much better than VP over their career, even if you take into account EMS one. If you don't look at the big picture, you can put anyone top1, just like these weird threads that pop out from fanboys after a match won.
2014-04-15 03:55
Event of the year, so far. That's a biggie.
2014-04-15 13:46
Titan best team ! Go home man, u r drunk !
2014-04-14 15:10
Pretty solid and accurate ranking. Good insight and depth into the article as well. Enjoyed :)
2014-04-14 15:11
#13
Finland Brjw 
fnatic good but not top 3 (Titan, NiP, VP top3)
2014-04-14 15:11
Agree with everything except LDLC>HR. IMO on lan HR are stronger and tbh results don't back up LDLC.
2014-04-14 15:11
+1 LDLC on lan is definitely worse
2014-04-15 10:39
Couldn't agree more!
2014-04-14 15:11
k1ck?
2014-04-14 15:12
#18
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Netherlands c3i 
..does not deserve to be on this list?
2014-04-14 15:13
On 29th place.
2014-04-14 15:29
#47
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Portugal noxer* 
lol... :p
2014-04-14 15:47
top 15/20
2014-04-14 15:50
rofl, true fan right here :D ^ But face it, that's the same as me saying "H2k?" Both k1ck and H2k are good, but they're not top 10 teams :)
2014-04-14 16:00
#126
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France ZMXD 
maybe he wanted to know how far k1ck is from this ranking :P
2014-04-14 17:22
+1 hahaha
2014-04-14 17:45
Might be, didn't even think about that! :D
2014-04-14 17:51
k1ck is somewhere in the top 13-20 with teams like mouz, 3DMAX, H2k etc.
2014-04-14 16:04
ahahahah made my day:D
2014-04-14 16:31
Ligthyears away from being on this list, i mean in both distance and time
2014-04-14 22:03
#17
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Netherlands c3i 
tiiiiitan<3
2014-04-14 15:12
Thx for the effort, and yes we would love to see that more often!
2014-04-14 15:15
Where are the poles saying VP best team in da world ? What happened ?
2014-04-14 15:16
#59
Poland yaD' 
We won't say that VP is best just because they aren't. Imho. Titan best team
2014-04-14 16:04
"We have emphasized LAN event results, with most weight on the majors, over placings online, and more recent accomplishments over old ones. Our cut-off date for results we've listed under each team is DreamHack Winter 2013"
2014-04-14 18:49
Which is the most favored kind of ranking VP could have got, I'm not sure I get your point.
2014-04-15 04:01
Titan and NIP were better than VP if you include DH Winter. If you see VP's performance only in 2014, VP would be above those 2 teams on LAN.
2014-04-15 04:17
No, because a ranking makes sense only if you look at the big picture. 2014 alone is not enough (yet) to make an accurate ranking. Time passed in not the only thing to look at, what use would it be to make a ranking over 4 months if you had only a few tournaments to back it up? As I said, it's the most favored ranking VP could have got. If it was taking into account since last summer or even before that, US/VP would likely not even be top5.
2014-04-15 05:08
Correct. What i was trying to tell the sAuce kid is that VP is top 3 only cuz of the ranking since DHW. If it was 2014, then VP would have been higher and if earlier then VP would have been lower. So top 3 is perfect and the way ranking has been done is also accurate. And it also makes sense to not include the entire history of CSGO cuz thats not how rankings are done normally.
2014-04-15 05:47
So hard to do a ranking right now, the us teams had a lot of roster changes, dignitas, lgb, fnatic and virtus still haven't shown consistency and maybe their full potential (dignitas and lgb). Navi crashed out of both majors and pretty much only showed online performances. Titan beat nip in the last lan where they faced but then they crashed out in groups. It really is unclear who is number 1,2, etc. can't wait till cph games, this will decide so much:))
2014-04-14 15:17
wait no, isnt the last lan Titan and nip faced DHW?
2014-04-14 15:51
no, it was on the smaller dreamhack thingy which got awfully ddosed
2014-04-14 16:25
ah yeah forgot about that one
2014-04-14 17:22
yes ....but DHW invitational and Titan crushed NiP 2 times!
2014-04-14 16:27
Imo LGB should be 5th and fnatic 6th witb dignitas 4th.
2014-04-14 16:09
agree. LGB very good. Much love. dignitas allstars team, not shown much yet tho. <3 Virtus.pro
2014-04-14 17:07
fnatic=LGB atm
2014-04-14 17:18
in my opinion, a lot of teams below fnatic (dignitas, LGB, coL, LDLC) are actually better than them. We will see.
2014-04-14 15:20
Clan mistake shouldn't be in top 12...
2014-04-14 15:22
Clan Shatistic above Navi, fnatic above dignitas, complexity losing to NA teams above LDLC/HR wow
2014-04-14 15:25
coL were only this high because thwy performed well at the majors read the damn article.
2014-04-14 16:10
Well in my opinion NaVi are better than Clan Mystic and IBUYPOWER
2014-04-14 15:23
#32
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Lithuania mao~ 
+1
2014-04-14 15:30
they rank not now or month, but composed of results since dreamhack winter
2014-04-14 15:31
Maybe now but just mby, they didn't proved it yet.
2014-04-14 16:16
ems katowice CM > Navi
2014-04-14 21:27
#288
cyx | 
Bangladesh Stoffi 
I agree, but its all about how you measure it.
2014-04-15 12:11
Great analysis
2014-04-14 15:23
The rank of the teams has been throughout the last month results benefiting the results in lan to the online results. So I find the normal classification of ranks. After if the classification had been on benefits in may, it is true that VP would be first.
2014-04-14 15:24
Good read
2014-04-14 15:25
#33
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Denmark qwedsa 
It seems my prediction back in Dec 2013 for 2014 was right. Now we only need to get Navi and HR on the right track to complete my prediction for whole 2014.
2014-04-14 15:30
dignitas should be higher
2014-04-14 15:34
Fnatic 4 nice joke
2014-04-14 15:38
pretty accurate ranking
2014-04-14 15:40
Nice
2014-04-14 15:42
Virtus will take this, i hope :D
2014-04-14 15:42
#41
United States Ero1 
Should be named - European ranking -lol-
2014-04-14 15:44
I dont really think any other american team can compete with these - atleast not for now!
2014-04-14 15:46
I think the NA tams were both rated higher than they deserve ;)
2014-04-14 16:34
+1
2014-04-14 17:10
coL had better overall results in two majors than LDLC, Mystik, NaVi and HellRaisers.
2014-04-14 17:43
The lineups of almost all those teams has changed, so it is hard to say, but I will tip my fedora to coL for almost beating NiP with almost no practice.
2014-04-14 18:10
Blame the ocean between Europe and America.
2014-04-15 13:48
3. Dignitas 4. LGB 5. Fnatic 6. Virtus pro
2014-04-14 15:44
Result's says other.
2014-04-14 16:15
+1
2014-04-14 16:26
LGB, Fnatic > VP? lmao, and dignitas need to prove themsleves on lan
2014-04-14 17:37
dignitas already proved themselfs on LAN. If they take top4 place on MAJOR tournament, how they can be unproven on lan?
2014-04-14 18:24
When have they ever played bad on lan?
2014-04-14 19:41
Since VG's streak last summer, it was always very close between NiP and VG for the number 1 spot. It's only natural that after such a big difference of placing at a major (out of groupstage vs finalist), the ranking can change like that. One thing to point out however, is that doing a preview of the ranking just before a major was very risky anyway.
2014-04-15 04:07
i think dignitas > fnatic. Fnatic has many hesitations in their form. If lan tournament : 1.NIP If lan tournament at Poland : 1.VP If online tournament: 1.Titan Btw. Navi should be higher, and LDLC and CM should be lower. Make more ranks like this in the future. One for 3-4months.
2014-04-14 15:46
lol @ nip's place
2014-04-14 15:51
Na Vi top 6 dignitas 3-4 LGB > fnatic CM > LDLC
2014-04-14 15:51
cm>ldlc wow, please reason it .
2014-04-14 16:07
i'd say HR > NaVi nowadays LGB > fnatic +1
2014-04-14 17:14
LGB and fnatic are pretty even. they beat them on lan, very thight game, and played very close games online as well .
2014-04-15 11:38
Think that is a really fair top 12. Same for me. Between the top 6 its who ever is playing well on the day any of them could beat the others. Quite nice as it makes it a lot more interesting to watch top games.
2014-04-14 15:55
Well, Dignitas seemingly can't beat NiP and fnatic seemingly can't beat Titan. Pretty sure what you're saying only applies to the top 3.
2014-04-14 16:32
Not necessarily, you only talked about 2 match-ups among 15 possible match-ups (6 teams). The top3 is not really closer than that, since NiP seems to struggle against Titan currently, which makes at least 1 predictable match-up out of 3 possible match-ups (3 teams). I'd say that over-all the top6 is less predictable than the top3.
2014-04-15 04:18
Yeah, true enough I guess. I don't really see LGB contending with any of the top 5 except fnatic though.
2014-04-15 11:31
coL 0_0 hm
2014-04-14 15:58
n1, well reason, fair enough . :)
2014-04-14 16:07
navi fucked nip, titan few times and other teams recently, which over them..last place, trash! -1
2014-04-14 16:08
this ranking is based on recent LAN results, not only on online games... Na`Vi won nothing except some games in online leagues, so why they should be placed higher?
2014-04-14 16:15
It's based on event results. Not necessarily recent online game wins.
2014-04-14 16:37
they beat them 2 times last week "omg thy are better"
2014-04-15 11:39
Good reasons for all the rankings. I hope all tournaments use your rankings in the future.
2014-04-14 16:17
lgb, coL>>> dignitas
2014-04-14 16:18
no,no,no,no,no,no,no
2014-04-15 13:48
Nice article, enjoyed reading it!
2014-04-14 16:22
really logic ranking , Good job HLTV.org
2014-04-14 16:27
well done, dignitas are onliners, on lan = max semifinalsl if they didnt face better team before
2014-04-14 16:28
and vp is a one hit wonder that played better infront of a home crowd.
2014-04-14 18:38
cry baby cry, its just my opinion
2014-04-14 18:56
Dude, you realize that semi-finalist is a great placing? If you call Dignitas onliners you can basically call any team onliners...
2014-04-15 04:23
1. You mad ? 2. You mad because dignitas beat VP 2-0 online ? 3. Onliners ? If they get into the Semi-Finals at a big lan, they can not be called onliners at all .
2014-04-15 11:41
1. i said they get into the semifinals IF THEY DONT FACE BETTER TEAMS BEFORE (like on ems) 2. and nah im not mad cuz taz said in interview that they beat them very often online but he also said that they can be top1 team in the world 3. and nah im not mad cuz vp won ems
2014-04-15 16:45
Finally an accurate ranking!
2014-04-14 16:28
#91
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Denmark fyhn 
HR > LDLC dignitas > fnatic imo. Other than that, it's pretty spot on :)
2014-04-14 16:28
Controversial picks are fun, but Lurppis needs to make a stronger case for Titan if he's going to put them in second place. ESEA had no other Europeans and Dreamhack invitational featured just four teams. Aside from that, Titan's 9th-12th and 3rd-4th (LAN) and 2nd, 5th-8th and 5th-8th (Online) is at least weakly dominated by VP's 1st and 9th-12th (LAN) and 3rd (Online), and strictly dominated by fnatic's 5th-8th and 1st (LAN) and a slew of 2nd-8th performances online. Fnatic finished well ahead of Titan in both majors. This quote really shows how weak the case is: "For a team living together in a gaming house their results are not acceptable." Really? Second in the world is not acceptable for a team living in a gaming house?
2014-04-14 16:29
I think you have a valid point. Even though I'd personally say that Titan is better than both Virtus and Fnatic, but their results on LAN doesn't quite show the big picture.
2014-04-14 16:34
clear number one in the world before dhw, 2nd best team at dhw, strong play at dh stockholm and online indicate ems one was a fluke, just a costly one.
2014-04-14 17:40
2nd best team at DHW..? Am I missing something?
2014-04-14 18:19
say whaaat >.<
2014-04-14 18:39
If it's not a mistake, I think he's implying that he thought they were better than fnatic, which I personally agree with given NiP's the only legit top 4 team they beat there.
2014-04-14 20:33
That's highly theoretical for a ranking that will have a considerable effect on future events though, don't you think?
2014-04-14 21:14
It would be indeed if it were the only thing they went by when determining the ranks, but I think that at the moment it's pretty much indisputable that Titan is the better team, especially considering they've never actually lost to fnatic, not to mention fnatic's trouble in facing LGB, LDLC, etc. If you think the rankings are wrong then feel free to say so, but you can't really criticize that opinion by that argument unless it actually affects the rankings.
2014-04-14 21:28
It still doesn't sit right with me that he's calling Titan the second best team of DHW. NiP beat Titan fair and square in a B03, and fnatic pretty much destroyed NiP in the final. Who does he consider to have been the best team then..? NiP, the team that was beaten by fnatic? It doesn't make any more sense to say that fnatic was the best team followed by Titan, as you know, NiP beat Titan in the semi. To me, his opinion of the DHW teams seems pretty decisive in this ranking. I believe lurppis once stated something in the lines of "one victory has the equal prestige of three 2nd finishes", something I tend to agree with. With or without the usage of that logic, the 2nd place in the ranking arguably belongs to VP. They've got one identical placement in a major (9th-12th) and they've won one minor event each (DH St. trumping SLTV a slight bit in importance). The thing that really separates them is the fact that VP won the biggest CS event in history, while Titan's best major finish is 3-4th at DHW. Titan's 2nd placement at the ESEA final with them being the only European team on show is hardly enough to cover up the major tourney difference between them and VP. Their online results are almost equal (2nd vs 3rd in FB Open). 5-8th placements in online leagues/tourneys should obviously not have any kind of effect on the top placements of a world ranking.
2014-04-15 10:12
Well, if x beats y and z beats x, that doesn't necessarily mean z is the best, does it? I think fnatic would've lost to Titan/CPH but they ended up only facing top 10 teams all the way to the finals, and then they faced a team they're known to be strong against. I think right now, Titan is the only team that has a good chance of beating any team they play against, whether it's VP/Dignitas/NiP/fnatic. NiP/fnatic apparently can't beat Titan on a consistent basis, Dignitas has immense trouble with NiP, and VP seems to be slightly edged out by NiP/Dig/Titan. And fnatic can't seem to beat any of the top 4 right now. As he said, it's not only based on results, and I honestly think that fnatic's results make them look a tiny bit better than they actually are; all this time and they've never gotten a map off of Titan, doesn't that say something about them? Titan are by far the most difficult competition for the team considered #1.
2014-04-15 11:45
I'm not arguing that fnatic at the time were a superior team to Titan. It's not really that relevant to begin with as the tourney ran its course without them playing each other, so anyone can make guesses, but at the end of the day it will only be assumptions. But let's say Titan were the second best team at DHW. Which team were then the best? I can't seem to find any logic in your reasoning here.
2014-04-15 12:31
It will only be assumptions yes, and that's exactly what he's doing.
2014-04-15 13:19
AFAIK at least xd
2014-04-15 13:30
what do you mean "2nd best team at dhw"?
2014-04-14 18:53
"clear number one in the world before dhw" "Our cut-off date for results we've listed under each team is DreamHack Winter 2013." This is essentially my problem. I agree they were number one before DHW, but by your own decision this ranking should not take those results into account. And as soon as you start guessing that one team was better than another team that finished higher in the tournament, you're far away from objective territory. To be clear, I also feel, subjectively, that Titan are probably worth top 2-3 going forward, but the results do not reflect this over the past six months. Edit: a word.
2014-04-14 23:19
"our cut-off date for the results **WE HAVE LISTED BELOW**" ...does not mean we decided to ignore everything that happened leading up to DreamHack Winter, only that we wouldn't spend time talking about that stuff nor would we list all the million previous tournaments below. Obviously the slightly longer history (up to roughly six or so months in my opinion) should also matter.
2014-04-15 10:11
Fair enough, that wasn't clear to me.
2014-04-16 07:39
Good read, btw.
2014-04-14 23:31
#98
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Europe midi 
HR above LDLC on lan anytime, same with LGB is above dignitas.
2014-04-14 16:34
LDLC beat HR anytime they played online, they haven't met on LAN . dignitas haven't met LGB on LAN yet, but beat them online. Both of your statements are false IMO .
2014-04-15 11:58
btw cph games is shit lan, do u srsly forgot previous events from 2012 etc? everyone hates their administrations
2014-04-14 16:37
navi nowadays top10 actually :/
2014-04-14 16:41
Nip top1? Are YOu Kiddin me? They dont win any Major Tournament, lol. Who do this?
2014-04-14 16:45
Top 2 in both majors, losing once by a fluke and the second because of a Polish crowd, and with consistent results for the entire span of the game... What other team could possibly deserve 1st?
2014-04-14 16:48
How is losing 16-2 in the last map a fluke? And you don't just lose finals because of the crowd + NiP have had the crowd on their side many a time. I think NiP do deserve 1st, but your comment wasn't very fair.
2014-04-14 17:35
16-2 on train on CT side by losing both pistol rounds. Not to mention fnatic had probably the easiest possible route to the finals beating coL and Recursive. Fnatic have never, not once, beaten VG, and would've ended up facing them in the semi-finals had they not lost to coL 14-16 in likely the biggest upset in the tournament. They never beat Dignitas/AD/Titan, who were arguably all in the top 4 at the time, they beat NiP, a team they'd always been effective against for some reason. And VP were playing unnaturally well during Katowice, completely out of nowhere. I highly doubt they could ever replicate their scores against LDLC and NiP again. This is just an opinion though, we'll see in the future and I'd gladly take back both opinions were either team to prove me wrong.
2014-04-14 17:50
NiP haven't placed lower than top3-4 in CSGO history (lan tournaments). They're the most consistent team overall.
2014-04-14 17:50
1. Virtus.Pro 2. Titan 3. NiP to be honest.
2014-04-14 16:47
how is VP 1 after winning 1 tourney ? thats like saying fnatic is number 1 .
2014-04-15 05:56
Same opinion as me Lurppis ;) but with 1 change: 1. NiP 2. Dignitas (atleast this event) 3. Titan 4. Virtus.pro 5. fnatic / NaVi
2014-04-14 16:49
if dignitas will play at cph games as in their online games then yes, but for now they don't deserve to be in top5 imo
2014-04-14 17:39
5. Navi ? Pls reason it ! Knocked out of the group stage at EMS .
2014-04-15 11:45
#109
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Denmark Ztereo 
dignitas should have the 4th place
2014-04-14 16:53
agree
2014-04-15 03:35
i think complexity> fnatic, lgb
2014-04-14 16:54
lol
2014-04-14 18:40
dignitas>lgb>fnatic but virtus.pro > titan mannnn!!!!!!!
2014-04-14 16:59
virtus.pro > titan cuz 1 tournment? :( I like VP but that aint true brah
2014-04-14 17:30
nooot man... many times vp beat titan online... i say that current form of vp is nice...
2014-04-14 18:46
the bias is strong
2014-04-14 17:31
it should be a system like ATP. where tournaments give x points lasting for 365days. The bigger the tournament, the bigger the points it gives (might be easy to extrapolate from prize money given by the tournament)
2014-04-14 16:59
That's basically how they try to do their ranking on HLTV, but it's true that a real official ranking would be great, and could allow organizations to respect standards for their tournaments as well (otherwise they don't get a better status as a tournament, and therefore won't get the same kind of teams attending). But the sad part is that Tennis has a long history of organization, tournaments and rankings, most of the tournaments (especially the majors) are like carved in stone, it's far from being the case for CS (even if DreamHack is kind of iconic now), and ATP is considered the only official ranking, no one else would consider doubting an ATP ranking from a player, as for HLTV, even if they are kind of a reference, they don't have the same status unfortunately...
2014-04-15 04:36
sry, mistake ...
2014-04-15 13:51
THIS!
2014-04-15 13:51
80-90% of the comments are deadly wrong here.
2014-04-14 17:07
#114
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Brazil hugoooo 
Six countries... that's sad
2014-04-14 17:07
Na'Vi still TOP1 :D
2014-04-14 17:08
Soon they will climb to 6-7
2014-04-14 17:45
NiP should secruit Flusha.
2014-04-14 17:08
Titan >
2014-04-14 17:08
Great article and would love to see more of these. Echoing what others are saying about fnatic though. I think they should be lower.
2014-04-14 17:16
coL ??? are you kidding me? never beat strong eu teams
2014-04-14 17:24
CM, NaVi, map against NiP, ex-AD, Titan. Mever beat strong EU teams?
2014-04-14 17:37
coL had beaten Titan, NaVi, Mystik and HellRaisers in DreamHack/EMS One
2014-04-14 17:48
/facepalm
2014-04-14 17:52
#134
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Finland kimi__ 
where is ence Kappa
2014-04-14 17:33
i dont wanna sound rude, but this list is trash
2014-04-14 17:37
feel free to elaborate
2014-04-14 17:41
To be honest with you lurppis half of the people commenting on this post are just being stupid. I wouldn't really read what people are saying on here as the average intelligence level on hltv.org is that of a potatoe.
2014-04-14 19:21
please share your top list with us...i rly would like to know how it loos like since you are calling this list based on performance and achievments "trash"
2014-04-14 19:58
That's perfectly normal that you think this way. Now, to understand why it's normal, you need to read the text between the rankings. If you have some counter-arguments to share with us, we're all ears (or rather all eyes).
2014-04-15 04:41
so many comments are a joke in this however lurpiss & Tgwri1s did a great job analyzing the current shape these teams are in (given the results displayed)
2014-04-14 17:37
#157
Dosia | 
Russia cann0n 
lol fnatic is on 4 whoooah ) 1) NIP 2) Dignitas 3) Titan 4) VP 5) HR 6) LGB 7) CoL 8) NaVi 9) LDLC 10) Fnatic 11) Mystic 12) Mouz 13) H2K 14)IBP 15)Reason 16)3DMAX 17) Wizards 18) Partysastronauts 19) Kick 20) Ence TOP 20 Like that !
2014-04-14 18:07
i rly dont know what is more ridiculous... 2.dignitas or 12.mouz
2014-04-14 18:11
Titan= VP= NiP
2014-04-14 18:06
fnatic do not deserve to be in top4. I think they are equal to coL and HellRaisers should be in top6
2014-04-14 18:11
#163
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
HR cis flag plz
2014-04-14 18:19
extra-ahead..
2014-04-14 18:35
god damnit this article is great
2014-04-14 18:36
Nobody cares about online results, why doesn't 70% of hltv users get that?
2014-04-14 18:41
They are still important though, and they do influence the rankings, but not as much as LAN results of course.
2014-04-15 04:44
1: Titan 2: VP 3: NiP 4: dignitas 5: HR 6: Fnatic
2014-04-14 18:52
Titan > NIP so Titan 1st :D
2014-04-14 18:53
u mad..?
2014-04-14 20:09
Spot on!!!
2014-04-14 18:54
Let's see CPH
2014-04-14 19:07
titan fanboys gonna hate
2014-04-14 19:12
nice, nip best
2014-04-14 19:18
Gl everyone at CPH, will be very exiting!
2014-04-14 19:19
#191
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Korea saddummy 
I can agree with everything here, except for one thing... fnatic? are you kidding me, they win 1 major tournament and they're now the kings of cs? it's getting ridiculous how you judge someone by their organisation and not by their skills. 4.dignitas 5.LGB 6.fnatic peace
2014-04-14 19:24
fnatic > dignitas, just look at their lan results
2014-04-14 19:50
and what about vp?
2014-04-15 01:07
Really great job done here!
2014-04-14 19:26
#193
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Bulgaria jar_ 
I love these articles i really do. Keep them coming please. They are pretty nice to read.
2014-04-14 19:32
SLTV StarSeries IX Finals include these top4. It will be interesting!
2014-04-14 19:34
#202
SZPERO | 
Poland jakbu 
I would add Hashtag and Mediocre Gamers instead of coL and iBP.
2014-04-14 19:54
and i would add mouz instead of VP^^
2014-04-14 19:59
Top1 and top2 are soooooo god damn close.. Virtus can be runners up but they're still not there. Yet
2014-04-14 20:03
Confirmed #1 team ;) People say that NiP are top 5, are u fuckin kidding me..?
2014-04-14 20:08
#209
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Hungary Bonkheads 
Dignitas is better then fnatic...i think
2014-04-14 20:13
Nice one.
2014-04-14 20:25
titan n2 ? XDDDD
2014-04-14 21:16
not a single word about who is holding NiP back?
2014-04-14 21:25
"holding NiP back" even tho im Titan fanboy this rank its awesome and yes NiP is top1 right now (i mean overall results - for me ofc Titan is #1 but results dont agree with me) and Dignitas > Fnatic right now but still i like this Rank, cant be more accurate!
2014-04-14 22:02
where is chrisj his team they beat nip so mouse should be 1 ???
2014-04-14 21:41
Navi top 6 , Fnatic top 9
2014-04-14 21:45
How about a few country rankings too? :)
2014-04-14 21:45
country rankings don't interest me at all, i'm not a patriotic person so i couldn't care less which piece of land someone was born on.
2014-04-14 21:49
Am pretty baffled how you would even reach the conclusion that my suggestion was about nationalism. Having a top five for Germany, Holland or Finland, would just provide me - the casual clueless reader unless it's a big name like NiP - with what teams are to look out for. Like when that Australian team Vox Minor went to Europe. Utterly clueless about their national ranking. Now I'm not saying it has to be a huge article like this one, and it could be subjective based too on your opinion. But having some form of idea where the teams stand locally would be awesome :) Edit: great work btw.
2014-04-15 08:39
i did not mean to imply that, all i'm saying is i have to be interested in my own work to want to do it. i couldn't personally care less about nations, so it's hard for me to do any research or work about it. besides, there are only 1-3 teams per country that matter, for the most part. to me, as someone who is interested in the very best teams, this list here is basically who matters. anyone outside of it is more or less irrelevant today.
2014-04-15 10:15
Honestly, it's really not the most interesting period for that. Obviously will be Sweden France and Denmark dominating... It would be interesting to do that over a long period, and with more continents involved. I really want Asia, South America and Africa to get more qualifiers, with travel expenses paid. It could really start the scene in these countries and bring up a lot more diversity.
2014-04-15 04:50
Poland and maybe even Ukraine would sit firmly above Denmark in a nation ranking of CS:GO to date.
2014-04-15 10:15
No, because when you do a country ranking one team is likely not to be enough, even if it's the best team in the world (and that's not currently the case). Achievements must come from several teams, unless each country has only one team in the top, which is not the case. No team in Poland has ever achieved anything meaningful aside from US/VP, even if MyM have a good level. Ukraine could have a good ranking, but I'd personally still put Denmark above, their scene is stronger over-all. The number of teams at the top is as important as what the teams achieved. Anyway, it's tough to make an accurate country ranking without deep analysis, so it's just an opinion, but my point was mainly that it wouldn't be very interesting to do a country ranking right now.
2014-04-15 16:41
You'd have to combine all top 3 (or 4 for those tourneys not including bronze matches) for all nations. It doesn't matter how many teams have placed good, the only thing that matters is the total podium placements of a nation. In terms of that, Poland is clearly above Denmark. As you probably know, medal tallies work in the way that gold always trumps silver, no matter how many of them. No Danish team to date has won an international tourney, which would put Poland above them. I also might add that VP/ESC has had 2nd and 3rd placements too, it's not like they suddenly hit the podium at EMS. As for Ukraine, you might remember that ex-VIP (later Astana) were the first team to beat NiP at LAN, which also resulted in them winning the tourney. Additionally, ex-Astana and Na'Vi have in total had loads of top 3 placements. I suppose it depends on the time period you'd go for, but it's inarguable that Denmark sits behind both Ukraine and Poland if we're looking at the last 12 months.
2014-04-15 18:10
Of course how many teams have placed good matters... If you talk about achievements, you talk about all achievements... A country which has for example 5 teams with at least 4 always passing the groupstage is a very strong country, even if a country with 3 teams with at least two always passing the quarter-finals is stronger, looking only at placings 1-2-3 is just a lazy way of doing a ranking, and the accuracy of the ranking drops severely. I'm certainly not talking about the retarded kind of ranking used in the Olympics, if that's what you're thinking about ^^. As for ex-VP being the first winning against NiP, sure, but at the time the majority of the team wasn't Ukrainian based (only Kucher and Angel). Afaik this ex-VP was never Ukrainian based, as after their line-up change it was Guardian with them. "I suppose it depends on the time period you'd go for, but it's inarguable that Denmark sits behind both Ukraine and Poland if we're looking at the last 12 months." Not if we're doing an accurate ranking. Only Ukraine could contest Denmark, and I'm not even sure they could. Especially if you take the last 12 months.
2014-04-15 18:21
Good list, agree with most, hoping to see Na'Vi prove they are higher soon.
2014-04-14 22:06
"flusha needs more help from JW & co" i think schneider and flusha needs more help from co
2014-04-14 22:06
1. Titan 2. Virtus.pro 3. Fnatic 4. NiP 5. Dignitas
2014-04-14 22:14
you didn't see the real thing up there don't ya?
2014-04-14 22:48
umad bro?
2014-04-15 21:14
need some painkillers because of your mind blowing comment nothing else
2014-04-15 21:19
Y U HEFF TO BE MAD, BRO?
2014-04-16 11:28
Yeah, lets make a top5 based on absolutelly nothing, while ignoring a super detailed, heavily fact-based top10. #miLxtersense
2014-04-14 23:48
umad cuz NiP sux
2014-04-15 21:13
The fnatic bashing in here is hilarious. They won the first major, and lost narrowly (does nobody remember the lucky defuses from LGB?) to impressive opponents in the quarter finals of the second. Depending on how important you consider wins versus podium finishes, they have either the best or second-best major LAN record of any team.
2014-04-14 23:29
Titan is gonna come back even stronger now and I think they will take top 1 soon. iBP will be NA's new strongest team with the addition of swag and steel. I could see them winning esea and coming top 4 at the next big event.
2014-04-15 00:16
I'm a fan of NiP, the f0rest, but I think at the moment who deserves top1 would be the Virtus.pro. 1- VP 2- NiP 3- Titan
2014-04-15 00:26
I agree with this literally list 100%, weird
2014-04-15 01:10
dignitas > fnatic any day
2014-04-15 02:18
respect for releasing it all at once and not making it a page1/page2/page3 affair.
2014-04-15 05:09
i hate it when other people do it to me so i'd never want to do it to others
2014-04-15 11:32
I wouldn't mind to see 1-3, 4-6, 7-9 and 10 (with an intro: goals, "rules", etc). So, 4 posts on 4 different days (like they did with the the players). It would even facilitate the reading, generate more pageviews, and add a bit of suspense.
2014-04-15 13:57
1. NiP 2. Titan 3. Virtus.Pro 4. Fnatic 5. Dignitas 6. LGB eSports 7. HellRaisers 8. LDLC 9. Na'Vi 10. Clan Mystik
2014-04-15 06:59
f0rest is overlooked as a clear cut top3 player. its up for grabs on a day to day basis between GTR, f0rest, and shox for best player. I feel like because GTR's stats have the slight edge on f0rest's he is completely overlooked, and not given credit because his team is strong. His stats were far and away the 2nd best for last year, and hes going to be in the top3 again this year. hes really aggressive and perfectly balances out GTR's lurking passive play, a role which naturally will look better statistically than an entry fragger. That's partially why it's so impressive his stats are still so insane, and he entry frags regularly.
2014-04-15 08:34
True, but he just doesnt seem to be enjoying go as much as he did 1.6, hes older and seems like its more of a job to him just like many, if only he were, wudn't doubt for a moment that he'd be above shox/gtr all the time.
2014-04-15 10:12
kinda seemed that way too be but i think that's just speculation. watching the nip documentary's it seems like hes super motivated, he even wrote about how he vows to get revenge on VP for the last loss at ems
2014-04-16 21:27
Lets see if he holds true to his words..
2014-04-17 04:59
NiP :D
2014-04-15 08:58
gj navi&HR. Top 10. What a shame. Retire pls. p.s. i am pray for M5 back.
2014-04-15 12:17
Good job, thx for great read lurppis.
2014-04-15 12:15
#291
cyx | 
Bangladesh Stoffi 
Every team can beat another team on that list. Rankings are just for making groups as fair as possible. Same goes with any other sport, like soccer. You cant take rankings too literally.
2014-04-15 12:16
The list is very accurate in every way but I still believe that the coL that attended Katowice was going to or had the potential to beat any team except for the Top 3 in a best of three.
2014-04-15 14:48
f0rest needs aim back nip needs better awper and they would destroy every team
2014-04-15 16:54
at CPH you will see that f0rest is back in the beast mode. No NiP doesn't need any player with awp skills at all. They will destroy every team on CPH. Just watch and enjoy.
2014-04-15 17:03
#318
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Spain akproxx 
ex6 need madfragging smithzz need old awp aim scream need back and they would destroy every team Ridiculous
2014-04-15 17:10
LGB needs Xizt and f0rest and they would destroy every team
2014-04-15 22:12
good work
2014-04-15 21:22
1. NiP / VP 2. Titan 3. Dignitas / fnatic
2014-04-16 19:06
1.NiP / Dignitas 2. Dignitas 3.shox for the most frags 4. pasha
2014-04-16 23:48
+1
2014-04-19 12:27
Shameless bump :>
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