CSGOLounge on betting scandal

MIRAA
May 22nd, 2014 20:10

CSGOLounge has released a statement regarding the betting scandal involving Virtus.pro and LDLC.com.

On Wednesday, Virtus.pro and LDLC replayed their FACEIT Spring League 2014 match, with the French team eventually running out 16-7 winners to move up to second in the table.

There were no streams to follow the match live as FACEIT had another previously scheduled match at the same time Virtus.pro and LDLC agreed on playing this contest, which was yesterday at 19:00.

Oblivious to the fact that the match had already been played out, CSGOLounge's admins kept all bets open until 23:00, which was supposed to be the time of the match, due to a misscommunication between them and the FACEIT admins.

It turned out that some players from both teams had decided to place bets on the game, this way getting a free pass to a sure win as they already knew the outcome of the match. According to Robert "ML" Yakubovski of CSGOLounge, Jarosław "pasha" Jarząbkowski, for example, made $450 worth of skins.

Below you can find the statement from CSGOLounge, who hope that, by going public over this matter, they will prevent further incidents like this from happening.

"First of all, CSGOLounge didn't know that the match was broadcasted with a recorded demo. FACEIT never told us that the match between Virtus.pro and LDLC.com was played before the scheduled time," Robert "ML" Yakubovski told fragbite.se

"Secondly, we've never checked the pro player's bets before this specific situation happened. We did it because there was a conversation in the FACEIT group conversation where people brought up the possibility of players leaking the result before the broadcast started.

"We looked up the player's SteamID:s and checked all ten players on our site, and after a discussion with some people from the pro scene we decided to go public. This was done to prevent players from abusing of our system in the future, players who knew about results and decided to use it for their own profit.

"I feel that none of the pro players takes skin-betting seriously, but in the meantime we can't ignore the fact that the average price for a skin i $15. Each weapon in the Steam Market has real value since people invest money in them. It's not just "pixels", because someone paid for these pixels. If you look at pashas bet, he would have won $450 worth of skins.

"Of course we feel that a lot of pro and semi players can abuse this, but now, next time they will know that these shady deals can be made public and we hope that less pro players will do these kinds of actions in the future.

"We know that Virtus.pro recently won $100,000 in EMS One Katowice, so of course we're aware of how silly this whole thing might seem. It might be silly or funny for them, but it's not funny for the rest of the community who bet, invest money and lose or win each day. CSGOLounge doesn't play in betting, we are the middleman. Users "play" against each other, so by placing a lot of expensive weapons on LDLC they took those ~$1,000 from people who made bets on Virtus.pro, and also for the people who bet on LDLC at first since they decreased their odds. I would say they played against their own fans."

#1
Norway inexz 
:/
2014-05-22 20:11
#74
Norway toap 
:(
2014-05-22 20:32
It's csgolounge admins fault they let bet this game. Thats all, fck u.
2014-05-22 20:39
read the whole thing again pls
2014-05-22 20:45
I swear we should have this sentence copied somewhere...
2014-05-22 21:33
+1 OmG people commenting and not reading this. I hate those people :D you?
2014-05-22 22:02
Pasha tried to cheat the system. Face the fact, pasha is cheater. We will never forget how G5 cheated skins. fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-a..
2014-05-22 20:57
<3
2014-05-22 21:10
good one :)
2014-05-22 22:26
#366
India pfx 
MOTHER OF LOLISM
2014-05-23 10:18
#376
MUTiRiS | 
Portugal antCB 
ahahahahahahahahah
2014-05-23 12:45
rtarded
2014-05-23 13:37
Fuck virtus pro hahahhaa its their fault for being scumbags
2014-05-22 22:12
Mate don't be a friggin retard, if you knew who would win would you bet on the winners or the losers. So sick of people gettin pissed at the players
2014-05-23 04:49
Yeah of course I would. But not if I was a pro player involved in the match.
2014-05-24 12:45
...You reply 'Fuck Virtus Pro' although pretty much all the players from the game betted... Get a brain
2014-05-23 05:06
nope, only 4 guys from both teams did bet on this game: neo,pasha,taz & kqly. KQLY's bet consists only of 4 shitty skins (<1$ value each), the other guys' bets were pretty big.
2014-05-23 07:10
No others were just smart enough to bet from other accounts, its their stupidity that made them get caught alse they would be running away with those skins now.
2014-05-23 16:03
#420
Italy rbz 
Can't agree more, couldn't have they bet with smurfs?
2014-05-24 20:22
Learn to use read + Learn to use brain.
2014-05-22 23:03
retard...
2014-05-23 02:01
Just when I wanted to explain to you what happened, I noticed you are Polish. So, it is futile.
2014-05-23 07:41
:/
2014-05-23 02:01
They're Polish... what else did you expect? If it wasn't for CS they'd be working on a building site.
2014-05-23 10:21
lol, so wrong. :D
2014-05-23 16:11
close this shit and profit
2014-05-22 20:12
From what other people have said that work at Varkam and 99damage the CS:GO lounge admins are in an internal skype chat that did say that the game was not live and was a demo.
2014-05-22 20:12
please
2014-05-22 20:13
#6
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Finland ludiMacak 
ban them gg
2014-05-22 20:13
2014-05-22 20:14
haha
2014-05-22 20:16
+1 lol got that almanac for cs scores :D
2014-05-22 20:18
#28
Netherlands MlNW 
:D
2014-05-22 20:19
u r a legend :D
2014-05-22 20:21
HAHAHAH
2014-05-22 22:24
so good....hahaha
2014-05-23 04:44
lol
2014-05-23 06:00
n1
2014-05-23 10:55
#8
Portugal proak 
thank you for coming with this to the public. shame on the players, seriously.
2014-05-22 20:14
+1 Good move by CSGOLounge Fucking cheaters.
2014-05-22 20:18
Cheaters? They just used an awkward situation to their advantage, its not like they staged the whole match to get the same effect?
2014-05-22 20:33
They used inside info to get illicit advantages. That's a crime in most part of the world. So yes, cheaters.
2014-05-22 20:37
If you are comparing this situation to inside trading then you are way off..
2014-05-22 20:46
no
2014-05-22 20:51
#130
Romania tr$ 
Oh dear lol
2014-05-22 20:55
oh my lord
2014-05-22 22:50
I support you, contruary of #116, #118, #130, #251 Those kind of guys have no moral, and act like child which needs rules everywere to dictate his actions. They just cant think by themself The temptation of innocence...
2014-05-22 23:38
how many times have their matches been ruined by ddos attacks from csgolounge in my mind they were just getting back at csgolounge as a whole by using their system against them they shouldn't have acted on the opportunity i agree, but i think people want to act like their saints when really 9/10 people would've done the same thing given the same circumstances you cant truthfully answer weather or not you would because you've never been in that position
2014-05-23 01:05
it's not that i support their decision morally, but i think its stupid everyone wants to jump on their high horse and shame them so quickly
2014-05-23 01:06
So because they got DDoS'd, that means they should act like douchebags? k
2014-05-23 02:08
Thats a good argument. But, was it their motivation ? :)
2014-05-23 08:23
no one can say for sure one way or another, pasha, taz, and neo have ALL been straight CHEATED out of things through their ENTIRE career i cant really say i blame them, but i cant really say i'd have done the same thing they seem nice with fans, no one tells bad personal stories about them, we should consider more than jumping to the conclusion they're bad people
2014-05-23 13:53
Stop repeating the same. What they did is unacceptable and they should get punished for that. Absolutely disgusting.
2014-05-22 22:21
punished really? the only one at fault is csgol for not being in the loop
2014-05-22 22:28
So, autorities should be everywere to dictate people how they should act ? Nice way of think.
2014-05-22 23:40
They just used an awkward situation to their advantage, its not like they staged the whole match to get the same effect?
2014-05-22 20:33
See the bigger picture, the 'awkward situation' they took advantage of was against users who bet with no info and lost stuff, stop putting excuses for 'em.
2014-05-22 21:28
All truth, shame on vp.
2014-05-22 20:15
More drama
2014-05-22 20:15
miss this
2014-08-08 14:53
just close this shit make cs bad
2014-05-22 20:16
#13
Switzerland BVz 
Shitty betting service, shitty team, too much shit for 1 news.
2014-05-22 20:16
#16
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Ukraine hiphoponelove 
322
2014-05-22 20:16
#17
Poland tfg 
True, VP so honorless
2014-05-22 20:17
lol
2014-05-22 20:17
#20
Germany ayyy 
100% agreed
2014-05-22 20:17
Where are all the VP fanboys?
2014-05-22 20:17
You retard.Not just pasha,every LDLC and VP player had placed a bet.
2014-05-22 20:28
Only kqly from ldlc pasha,neo and tax from virtus.pro
2014-05-22 20:29
and others from fake acc or "friends"
2014-05-22 20:42
exactly all 10 of them did only neo, taz and pasha didnt think not to use their own acc
2014-05-22 20:52
a strong chance that close friends would have known as well
2014-05-22 21:14
that was kind of my point
2014-05-22 21:28
I also saw someone post that maybe FACEIT didn't tell CSGL for a reason. Not sure whether this is true or not, but I wouldn't be surprised.
2014-05-22 21:29
tinfoil hats detected there is no big conspiracy here, this isn't the American government vp and ldlc had inside information, they bet accordingly, not the greatest situation but they didn't play the game with the knowledge it'd be bet-able after was it the most honorable thing? no no malicious intent though
2014-05-22 21:58
Those "close friends" are probably their own alternate accounts which only they have access to.
2014-05-22 23:04
mad2much fanboy?
2014-05-22 22:09
The only reason many asian care about csgo matches are because of bets. If csgolounge removed betting system, no one in asia will wake up at 1am in the morning to watch matches except those big lan tournament
2014-05-22 20:18
are you saying that im the only one that wake up early just to watch game because i want to? :[
2014-05-22 20:30
yes, because one guy from Singapore said so, everyone in Singapore does it. Nah seriously dude, I appreciate it that you want to follow matches of a game that you love. Props to you mate, because there are a lot retards that only care about skins. All these "only skins no lyfe" betters are getting more annoying every day. I wouldn't mind that they would just bet on matches, but when they whine, cry and send death threats to pros is seriously getting me pissed. They don't give a shit, they ddos, they talk shit and they are overall just rude to people. Can't kids just be normal and stop being such assholes.
2014-05-23 02:13
im not Singaporean... that flag is indonesia's(without tiny star on the top left if im not mistaken).. but thanks for not calling from polad :] i don't know whats the deal with skins, i gave away all my skin and play with default.. skin are too distracting IMO
2014-05-23 05:58
oh whoops, sorry about that. :s I just checked tonyjia666's flag that almost looks exactly like yours so.
2014-05-23 08:33
I watch all matches dude.AND NOT BECAUSE OF BETTING. I support Golden Five since their 1.6 days -_-
2014-05-22 20:31
LOL, where the fuck did you get this retarded ass info from?
2014-05-22 20:36
Biceps is always with you.
2014-05-22 20:18
#26
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Ukraine charakternyk 
322
2014-05-22 20:18
lols
2014-05-22 20:19
Just close the betting section and keep trade functionn only. Pro players intendedly throw game to get skins which is bad for the scene.
2014-05-22 20:19
It's quite hilarious if you think about it, if someone we're to be arrested for betting virtual hats.
2014-05-22 20:21
well, in the beginnin it could've seemed funny and thinking of arresting someone for "virtual" skins and placing that person in jail even for a not a long period of time could be funny, but if you look at it THESE recent days then its not funny and going forward putting someone in jail for doing something like that could be an actual and real possibility as REAL PEOPLE DO SPEND REAL MONEY and THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT CONSIDERING THE GAME AN ACTUAL GAME AS THEY DO SPEND WHETHER THE MONEY PARENTS GIVE THEM OR THE MONEY THE EARN AT WORK OR WHATEVER, SO IT IS A SERIOUS BUSINESS AT THE END. I personally bought probably not that much, but i did spend about $80 for flip kniofe at the market, plus i did buy a few ak's myself and a redline awp and bought some other guns i wanted since openning cases is not an option and just a dumb gambeling, so when you buy a skin from your OWN pocket and then place it on a team and then you find out you were basically robbed the game no longer seems VIRTUAL as dumb ppl call it. It is virtual if you paid nothing and just exchanging skins you were donated or given or openned in a case that was dropped in game, but there's lots of people paying hundreds of dollars from their own pocket. I personaly lost about 300$ from my pocket, i mean of course its my own fault spending the monye, but its not about that, i dont care that much since i was able to bet and pay the money from my pocket I did realize i could easily lose all that moeny, I'm working and can make it up, but a lot of ppl might not be that flexible... anyway.... life continues and life is good :) hfhfh
2014-05-22 21:02
i think what you're missing is the game wasn't lost on purpose for the sole reason to personally gain skins by any of the players involved they knew the outcome of the match, and the match was available to bet fuck you if you say you would have done something different cause you my friend are a liar
2014-05-22 21:49
I wish all of the americans were as soulful and lovely and kind as Hiko, the world would SHINE and everyone would be happy in it :(
2014-05-22 22:01
hiko is a streamer, he's not gonna keep his huge following being a dick you see it come out of him in the middle of games if anyone tries to give him shit
2014-05-22 22:38
I personally bought probably not that much I personaly lost about 300$ from my pocket You have a problem.
2014-05-22 22:04
no i dont have a problem if i have enough money to still cover my car payments, sponsor parents, enough for food and life, so u have a problem since you didnt think of what i just said before typing yoor mean comments saying i have a problem... I can even tell you more than that in case you didnt know that there are ppl spending 1000-2000 thousand dollars on skins and openning cases and they also DONT HAVE any problems... why in the hell would you ever tell someone they have a problem if you dont know whether they have everything in lfie or not? think before posting something like that, you cant just judge others based ion your poor life experience... im enjoying everything in life so far, so .... no offense
2014-05-22 22:23
think before posting something like that, you cant just judge others based ion your poor life experience... Nice argument, double standards much? You lost $300, you probably own $300 more worth of items (assuming you didn't bet your whole inventory, that's just dumb). Doesn't matter what others are spending, paying anything above 1 digit of real money for nothing more than a weapon skin that could be made on paint (most anyway) is just capitalism at its best. It's funny that you say that opening crates is "dumb gambling", when the whole market of digital goods isn't any less of a gambling than opening crates. You should google about the $38,000 Dota 2 courier that lost its value in a matter of days. Sure, you don't care about the money now, but when the game dies in a couple of years and the market crashes you'll realize you'd be better off investing in a retirement account or just saving for something better than virtual hats. It's funny that your comments are full of denial and anger, common signs of grieving.
2014-05-22 22:49
2014-05-23 01:08
+infinite
2014-05-23 14:05
Cool read, you just missed the fact that they didn't do anything illegal. They didn't even do anything forbidden.
2014-05-22 23:04
in professional sports you receive a lifetime ban for betting on your own games. same should be true in esports
2014-05-22 20:21
They just used an awkward situation to their advantage, its not like they staged the whole match to get the same effect?
2014-05-22 20:34
It's nothing awkward buddy. It's morally wrong - plain and simple. Read the whole thing again. They knew the score. They placed bets on the winner. They simply tried to cheat the system. If this hadn't been exposed, they would have won serious money by taking skins of their fans. Fairplay = total zero.
2014-05-22 23:07
You think its not awkward that the csgolounge was not in the loop to realize it was actually a stream of a DEMO?
2014-05-22 23:08
How was they supposed to know? ... The amount of idiots who are blaming CSGL here is too damn high.
2014-05-23 07:50
Was i actually directly blaming CSGL? I just said its awkward that there was no communication between faceit and csgl....
2014-05-23 09:23
That is awkward indeed, but your comment sounded like CSGL should realize it somehow by themselves, which was not really doable.
2014-05-23 09:28
#156
United States zyZ 
sports aren't delayed, not the same situation at all
2014-05-22 21:08
Ban them frm Csgolounge so they can't bet again. IP Ban.
2014-05-22 20:22
get a brain
2014-05-22 20:27
+1
2014-05-22 21:21
and these are grown-ups...gg
2014-05-22 20:22
2014-05-22 20:24
"They played against their own fans".
2014-05-22 20:24
? In a way if they succeeded they took skins from fans who bet on them or fans of the opposing team who bet on them. It is stealing, no less
2014-05-22 20:29
They took skins from guys who trusted them and bet on them.
2014-05-22 20:54
they took the skins from a lot of ppl who BOUGHT THEM USING REAL MONEY :o how does that sound :)
2014-05-22 21:14
that's story what i wanted to explain. :)
2014-05-22 23:10
They took nothing, that is about right.
2014-05-22 23:06
They were going to, according to the pile of shit you are typing around here you are a diehard fanboy with limited intelligence.
2014-05-23 04:53
Of course, I am a fan. I cannot stand ppl crying over their skins. These kind of stupid comments annoys me, since they didn't get anything. Calling them thiefs and things like they should be punished, because it is illegal. In this case I am like "WAT"? There is no law against this.
2014-05-23 09:44
they got skins from people that bet on them in hopes that they'd win more skins its not like anyone loves virtus pro SO much that they'd bet all their most expensive skins on them in every game regardless if they thought they'd win or lose be reasonable, if they would have won anything it would been from just people who bet skins, not really from VP fans directly. yes, SOME of the people are VP fans for sure, but not nearly the percentage you're imagining
2014-05-23 01:13
#44
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Latvia Senotajs 
I think NiP does that too..
2014-05-22 20:25
no pic = no proof
2014-05-22 20:53
you are a scam and cheater and you know this by your self sir
2014-05-23 01:51
didn't know that i m the definition of scam , and as i say no pic = no proof Kappa
2014-05-23 10:14
ya, lets not start the rumors... until its official lets not talk bout it...
2014-05-22 21:16
+1
2014-05-23 10:14
I think mommy dropped you on the head.
2014-05-23 07:52
#46
Korea ws0 
who cares? as if the rest of the community wouldn't abuse the system ahahahah
2014-05-22 20:26
This certainly says a lot about the people in question.
2014-05-22 20:26
No one CHEATED IN THE GAME. LIKE KQLY DID. That is beyond reproach.
2014-05-22 20:28
cheating for real money is worse then cheating in a videogame
2014-05-22 20:34
when you're playing the videogame for real money, it's the same principal
2014-05-22 20:54
And KQLY didn't really cheat. The situation is actually pretty analogous. It wasn't VP's fault that CSGOlounge didn't know the match had already been played, or that they don't allow players to bet on their own games. Just like it wasn't KQLY's fault he was given 10k money. A lot of people seem to think that just because it wasn't their fault, they are exonerated from all wrongdoing.
2014-05-22 20:55
Well how could CSGOlounge know if no one knew about it except for Face It and the teams. Its just a fucking shady action of the players involved. Some great dedication towards your fans who are betting their real hard earned money on your team. They need to make up for it if u ask me. Give away their skins on their streams or something to get my respect back atleast.
2014-05-22 21:08
Bro, I'm just saying both VP scamming csgolounge and KQLY using the 10k ingame are sadly not technically illegal actions. I think they're both dishonest and reflects poorly on their characters, but that opinion will be drowned out by screams of "ez skins ez life."
2014-05-22 21:11
+100000000 I think you are absolutely right and people don't seem to realize this AT ALL. All these "only skins no lyfe" kiddies are seriously getting on my nerves. Sadly, this community is getting worse by the day because of all these retards...
2014-05-23 02:22
Amen. It boggles my mind how so many people are stupid not to understand how serious CSGOL cheating it was. Unbelievable.
2014-05-22 23:08
#49
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China Specster 
people only blame those known names, but for sure all of them bet with others accounts on this shit. cslounge is nice for steam to make money, but ruins a little bit the game, people became crazy when they lose their skins, insults, etc...
2014-05-22 20:27
+1 I respect wot u say bro
2014-05-23 04:55
no word about actions? atleast banned them for future betting permanent i guess?
2014-05-22 20:27
#68
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Poland metal_cs 
so much hate
2014-05-22 20:31
hah fanboy
2014-05-22 21:21
well. I guess we can obviously give them a chance, no need to be really mean about it, at least its already made public, and of course all of the 4 players already read this post and saw all your comments, so no need to ban, im sure they'd learn their lesson...
2014-05-22 21:18
fuk.. retards, VP players just Ban them and close this sh.. , shame i born in country where almost all cheat :x
2014-05-22 20:29
like your honesty, but there no need to blame your country overall because of actiones like that... any country has ppl like thatm no need to be against your own country where you were born, be proud fo the fact you were born where you are now, its just today Poland and France were caught, but who knows we can see more news with other players from other regions posted on hltv.org tomorrow :) its ok.... happens...
2014-05-22 21:20
Yep hes right, i still get hope in russian now lol
2014-05-22 23:36
#53
Dosia | 
Russia cann0n 
Lol u should be very shine of that ... fckn Negative Pasz omfg ... Biceps - rep . Scammer report him
2014-05-22 20:28
fixed matches it is dirt ! ps . virtus they won 100 thousand dollars, could and buy.PASHA is f*cking they won 100 thousand dollars, could and buy . The pasha you are a betting whore !~~~~~
2014-05-22 20:29
hahaha this is funny, I bet you would do the same if you knew the result :D silly hipocrites
2014-05-22 20:30
#66
Portugal zmkk 
yeah thats true
2014-05-22 20:31
but on the other hand we would see 124532 poles flaming the players to death if it wasnt VP ;)
2014-05-22 20:54
I wouldn't, and I'm most definitely not alone.
2014-05-22 21:07
+1
2014-05-22 21:18
you wouldn't because you didn't know but if u knew I think you'd think about it.
2014-05-22 21:30
not everyone is a skins whore
2014-05-23 09:12
just funny seeing people saying " wouldn't you do it as well if you had the opportunity? ofc everyone would" the same people that criticized kqly not too long ago for not saying to an admin that he won an unfair +7K $ lol.
2014-05-22 21:28
who cares, this shit happens always and everywhere football mathces, hockey and etc.
2014-05-22 20:30
#63
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Sweden BenneDoT 
WEll all of them did apologize, thanks to them we can now avoid this in the future, easy
2014-05-22 20:30
Love how they shift the blame from faceit and csgl to the players.
2014-05-22 20:31
Well in the end who else can you blame?
2014-05-22 21:02
faceit and csgl.
2014-05-22 21:22
The only thing they did wrong was accidently create a opportunity. An opportunity that the players involved knowingly saw and took advantage of. They knew they we're the ones that fucked up and thats why they apologized.
2014-05-22 21:47
So, lets summ it up. FaceIt did not tell csgl that the match was not being played live(fuck up number 1). Upon realizing what happened, csgl saw the incoming hate wave and posted on twitter and reddit, thus redirecting the hate wave towards the players. I would be fine if they posted a day or two after canceling the bet as proof that the bets indeed had to be closed. I also would be fine if they named the topics "Why the match LDLC vs VP where cancelled" instead of "VP and LDLC players caught trying to cheat csgl".
2014-05-22 21:59
Nicely summed up but I think I'll sum it better; The mistakes that CSGL and FACEIT did doesn't give right to the players try to scam skins. Which they ended up doing and which for they apologized. The heat towards the players is justified and CSGL and FACEIT needs to communicate better.
2014-05-22 22:15
Pasha crazayayayayyyyy
2014-05-22 20:31
#72
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Poland dziad5 
sly loses twice
2014-05-22 20:32
Below you can find the statement from CSGOLoun"c"e just saying :))
2014-05-22 20:31
Biceps fail
2014-05-22 20:32
Bicep strong, integrity not
2014-05-22 20:33
*integrity wronk u mean...
2014-05-22 21:24
no, I don't communicate like a retarded kid
2014-05-22 21:25
im sure i seen you communicating like that previously :) no offense
2014-05-22 21:42
i never post some retarded stuff like "ez skins, ez lyfe" or similar things - FACT
2014-05-22 21:44
nice, glad to have someone like you around then! Thank you for being with us!
2014-05-22 21:50
EZ PZ
2014-05-22 22:24
#77
Palestine Em27 
i think it's shame on CSGOLOUNGE That they made the CS:GO ALL ABOUT SKINS .. and then it's Shame on those Pro players who bet their "Reputation" Online for some extra money when they have 100x Times than the bets ..
2014-05-22 20:33
VP has the money.LDLC are poor people,they dont win anything xD
2014-05-22 20:36
so VP Cheats and LDLC doesnt ?
2014-05-22 21:58
You are retarded
2014-05-22 20:57
pasha the scammer :(
2014-05-22 20:35
Im not mad, dunno know why even if I had to win a lot in this match players should have something extra BECAUSE of CSGL more ddosers are showing up
2014-05-22 20:37
It is beyond me how so many people can defend the actions of these players. Scumbags all around, pathethic. This community truly is cancerous.
2014-05-22 20:39
It's because VP has such a large fanbase... If it was only KQLY I'd guarantee there would be much more flaming.
2014-05-22 20:41
the people at fault here are the FACEIT,not the LDLC players nor the VP players. They DIDNT CHEAT INGAME. FAceit didnt tell csgolounge to close bets as match has already been palyed. Teams and players play for money , not for FANS. SO what they did was to get some MONEY.
2014-05-22 20:43
So, it's faceit's duty to update a third party who they may not even know about their matches? Yes, it's completely ethical to take skins from fans who bet on you. VP just made 100K and pasha gets hundreds of dollars from his stream, does he really need more money? Hilarious, KQLY faces a shitstorm for using virtual in-game money and everyone defends VP for trying to get undeserved real money. You, VP and all of these VP fanboys are fucking pathetic.
2014-05-22 20:49
KQLY CHEATED again. And yes FACEIT DOES INFORM CSGOLOUNGE about matches. Im surprised you didnt know that. Van burren , in charge of Faceit is in constant contact with CS:GO LOUNGE. SEE THIS RETARD. Posted by CSGOLOUNGE Admin himself. i.imgur.com/uY1THUO.png Main thread : reddit.com/r/csgolounge/comments/265wc1/.. You can just fuck off with your assumptions now. Fucking american wanker.
2014-05-22 20:56
I was wrong about that, yes. You know, you just spent 10 minutes invalidating one sentence when that was by far the least important one. KQLY screwed up, but the only reason he isn't facing shit now like he was then is because VP is with him there now. I love how you edited your comment to include that last sentence, btw. You're reinforcing my last sentence.
2014-05-22 21:09
This is from the streamers chat, where we give streamers GOTV, maps, etc.
2014-05-22 21:44
Amen my friend, amen.
2014-05-22 21:01
+1
2014-05-22 21:23
+1
2014-05-22 20:46
Its because those who try to defend the players for the actions they performed are the once who whether never earned a cent working hard at a real job or the once whose parents are rich and even if they lost the skins they bought they know their parents will give them more money and they could buy those skins again, thats why those ppl are defending the players...
2014-05-22 21:28
What if they just use alternate accounts to bet from now on?
2014-05-22 20:39
Lmao, robbing their own fans of skins. Priceless.
2014-05-22 20:41
enough aldready.. delete it
2014-05-22 20:41
U mad bro?
2014-05-22 20:47
Typical excuse for washing hands. We saw a lot of times how teams throwing unimportant matches vs underdogs when odds was like 90% : 10% or more. This is all fault by lounge. They put match without any communication betwen them and FACEIT. Even players from VP (Pasha and Byali) give some sign that they lost match (like Pasha :'Biceps is not always with you' few min after match was finished) and to prevent fans from betting. Still its not okey, that they use chance to earn some free money on damage of their fans. Valve should close that site, or they just must ask teams can they put their matches for betting, cuz i think that some players wouldnt agree with that.
2014-05-22 20:42
VP and LDLC better make a group video being on "their knees" crying and appologiezing to the whole community officially or they better not show their faces on any of the upcoming events EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, that sound mean and rough, so sorry bout it, but some trugh is there in the words ;) no hate VP & LDLC foreva!!!! BEST!!!
2014-05-22 20:44
This is not a fault of the players or csgolounge.. ddosing made this case happen..
2014-05-22 20:43
device said it few times on his stream "its just a skins" i dont understand what is wrong, its their own decision and noone can change it... playing is like their job
2014-05-22 20:44
did you read? -"It's not just "pixels", because someone paid for these pixels."
2014-05-22 20:47
Well if you paid for it, you must be a lot of stupid to put them on bets.
2014-05-22 20:49
so what the fuck are the bets?... this is it. don't try to defend what cannot be defended
2014-05-22 20:53
Then dont cry when you lost skins, like people always do, after every match, there was 10000 threads about, kick fiflaren, noob, etc. And you saw what betting did to real sports? How many fixed in every league is fixed? There was rumors when lounge started with bets, that people fixing, they lose unimportant matches for skins. Those 4 players are cought in that, but belive me, there was worst unprofessionals which lose some matches on purpose. How many times did you see, 1-2-3 matches after big lost, that some player for some team have expensive skin? Im not defending KQLY, Pasha, Neo and TaZ, im trying to say that this will never be happened, if valve forbiden betting system. But it seems that they dont care.
2014-05-22 21:01
and when I cried about missing skins? you dont even know me so dont be stupid and stop defend the fucking polish thief guys, piece of shit
2014-05-22 21:11
I dont say that you, i mean on community. I type wrong.
2014-05-22 21:43
Your lack of logic is baffling to me, I feel like I'm watching a zebra try to drive a car. #109 did you read? -"It's not just "pixels", because someone paid for these pixels." Yes, somebody did pay for them, but if people can't bet what they can afford to lose maybe they should stop themselves? The only logical way to prevent this I'm not even going to try to explain to you, your mind would blow up just trying to comprehend it.
2014-05-22 23:01
Its right that its just skins, but they do cost money and some people are so addicted that they spend alot of money tho this, I would feel sad for these people otherwise fuck the skins ofcourse you dont need more then the ones you like and play with
2014-05-22 20:48
man its like u will buy some stuff from real shop, like u can buy toy, and when u buy it, u cant sell it back or something, this is the same, if you put money into steam, thats not real money anymore... the only one who is stealing here is valve -_-
2014-05-22 20:50
well lets not make things too complicated brother !xD but its true that this is just valve's game for the money :)
2014-05-22 21:02
#140 & #187
2014-05-22 21:32
Why are some people even trying to defend the players? Betting on a game you already played isn't quite as bad as matchfixing (which almost killed competitive BroodWar), but it's pretty damn close. And how is "everyone else would do the same thing" a valid excuse? Sure, the CS community consists 80% of 14-year-olds (physically or mentally) who would happily do this kind of thing, but you should be able to expect "professional" players to have at least a grain of maturity (that of a 16-year-old, at least).
2014-05-22 20:44
There's a huge difference between fixing a match and using a mistake made by CSGL to your advantage. I agree that this is not something to expect from professional players, I'm just arguing that it's definitely not as serious as deliberately losing a game in order to win a bet.
2014-05-22 21:05
I don't really understand it either. I haven't heard a single rational argument from people who defend them. Are people actually this fucking scumbag and stupid?
2014-05-22 21:26
pro players should be ban from CSGOLOUNGE
2014-05-22 20:45
paszaSkinceps
2014-05-22 20:45
Good that they did point out the players name, now the other players know that they cant cheat when something like this happends, Ye maybe i would have done the same but if you watch it from the middle point it is sad that people would love some real $$$ for nothing Good job CSGOlounge
2014-05-22 20:46
I don't see how this is VP or LDLC fault if I'm being honest. Why keep bets open 4 hours after the match had begun? if the matches begins at 11:00 then close the bets at 11:00, not 15:00. This is 100% CSGL's fault. If you are going to conduct a business then do it right. If I had the chance to make $500 because I knew the results of a game and had chance to bet you're damn right I would do it and everyone here is lying to themselves if they say they wouldn't themselves.
2014-05-23 04:10
lol at KQLY's bet. Nice troll.
2014-05-22 20:48
Expected from EU players
2014-05-22 20:50
G5 thieves #5thieves never forget
2014-05-22 20:53
it'd be better to close csgolounge, this is ruining the game.
2014-05-22 20:54
Pasha Skinceps ;=DDDDDDDD
2014-05-22 20:54
#129
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China Specster 
You all say "shame" but if you knew the result and you could bet, 100% of you would do it. Simple as that.
2014-05-22 20:54
nope wrong
2014-05-22 20:57
#144
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China Specster 
yea, sure.
2014-05-22 20:59
negative my momma raised me better than that
2014-05-22 21:12
such a strong americano. gj bro
2014-05-22 22:30
Nice assumption. Just because you're lacking basic moral don't assume others do.
2014-05-22 21:07
#158
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China Specster 
basic moral? lol, this is not real life, if you bet knowing the result, you are not hurting anyone, nor making lose skins to others, just winning with silly advantage, which everyone would use.
2014-05-22 21:09
The fact that these skins are actually worth REAL MONEY makes it REAL. "Not hurting anyone". If you humour me for a while and think if the bets actually went through and for example pasha would get 450 dollars worth of skins from people that bet that VP would win and some of them would be VP fans. I would think they'd not be happy if they knew what kind of foul play had been done. That is why all the accused players involved have apologised is because they fucking knew that what they did was wrong and unfair towards people who we're legimately betting. In essence; I don't quite understand why you think its not "real life" when there's actually REAL MONEY involved.
2014-05-22 21:28
#203
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China Specster 
#143
2014-05-22 21:34
What? That reply has nothing to do with the fact that you said that EVERYONE would have done the same thing in the same situation. So, just like I said and the guy at #143 : The actions they did we're morally and ethically wrong. In a nutshell: Don't fucking project your faulty morals towards others.
2014-05-22 21:43
People that bet on csgolounge are just as real as they can be. Skins are worth something (I know it can be ridiculous but it's a fact). And by doing so they could have robbed ~ $370 shared proportionally to all legit winner's bet values. We don't know exactly how many people that is, roughly 10000 which makes approx $0.3 (worth of skin) average per people. Not much for sure, but that's not the point.
2014-05-22 22:07
+1
2014-05-22 21:24
Yes, if I was a pro player I'd be perfectly eager to take skins away from my fans. Three members of the golden five... Pffft, and people wonder why our community is so shitty.
2014-05-22 22:37
i wouldn't. I have no respect for these ego's anymore. I can't stand ppl who do such things.
2014-05-23 00:23
I dont give a shit about csgo lounge. If they have a problem with these particular guys, why not find a solution with them instead of expressing themselves through hltv ?
2014-05-22 20:55
to make them redface, thats why, so others learn their lessons and dont do the same thing, public needs to know...
2014-05-22 21:34
shit happens :/
2014-05-22 20:56
You and your "all because of CSGL". Its the STUPID COMMUNITY of CSGO. Just stop betting and CSGL will close :) You think if CSGL closes their site no one else will open a new betting site? If you think so, you are a bit stupid. Either blame Valve for letting Skins be part of this game or the CS:GO Community for letting Skins the main part of CS:GO. Stupid people.
2014-05-22 20:59
I don't think many of you consider the difference between betting on a game before it's played and, as it is in this case, a bet after the game has already been played. A pre-game bet on the opposite team implies that the player has something to gain by loosing, which is completely unacceptable. What has happened here is different. They noticed that CSGL still had the bet open on a game which they've already played. So they probably just thought "why not?", without thinking of the moral and ethical implications. This is of course very bad and also unacceptable from professionals, and they should officially apologize for their actions. However, this is completely different than a pre-game bet! From a game and tournament perspective they have done nothing wrong, since this was a post-game bet. The game was therefore never influenced by these bets. Also, i think this mistake by CSGL is more of a one-off thing, since these opportunities of post-game bets probably won't happen very often. It's also nothing that the players have any influence on, meaning that they don't have control of the ability to bet on a game after it's played or not.
2014-05-22 20:59
+1. Only one talking sense.
2014-05-22 21:00
Yes he does make sense. You don't. You ride VP's dick so hard you don't realize that there isn't much difference between what KQLY did in game, and what VP did after a game.
2014-05-22 21:15
Really ? Not much of a difference? SURE.
2014-05-22 21:30
Yes, I am sure.
2014-05-22 21:55
Yes, not like you.
2014-05-22 21:25
#162
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China Specster 
exactly.
2014-05-22 21:11
They gained skins (money) on false terms, on the expense of others. The fact that they didn't fix the match beforehand doesn't make their actions less unethical as it's totally irrelevant.
2014-05-22 21:29
I'd argue that the fact that they acted on something that can be considered a coincidental bug on CSGL is not nearly as bad as planning a fixed match in order to make money. I'm not arguing that what they did was acceptable, I'm just trying to point out that it's not as severe as many people here make it look like.
2014-05-22 21:45
Please point me to a considerable amount of comments suggesting that they fixed the match or anything remotely resembling that notion of the situation. From my perspective, it seems as if you're justifying one immoral action with the absence of another.
2014-05-22 22:08
You might have misunderstood me, I haven't claimed that anyone has suggested that VP fixed the match. I have just read comments comparing VP's actions to fixing games in real life. (Examples: #33 and #102 in this thread). I'm not trying to justify their actions. I agree with you that their actions were immoral and unacceptable. I just don't consider these actions being as severe as others seem to do on this site and on reddit (where people are talking about banning them from competitive CS:GO).
2014-05-22 22:32
#33 merely pointed out that players shouldn't be able to bet on their own matches, and as far as I can tell he meant it in a general sense. How that is comparing these actions to match-fixing is pretty much beyond me. I haven't seen the reddit thread(s), but in this topic I mainly see valid reactions to dishonesty in its actual form, which is why I find your initial comment pointless.
2014-05-22 22:51
I don't see how this is VP or LDLC fault if I'm being honest. Why keep bets open 4 hours after the match had begun? if the matches begins at 11:00 then close the bets at 11:00, not 15:00. This is 100% CSGL's fault. If you are going to conduct a business then do it right. If I had the chance to make $500 because I knew the results of a game and had chance to bet you're damn right I would do it and everyone here is lying to themselves if they say they wouldn't themselves.
2014-05-23 04:09
Just close the shit down... It is nothing positive with it... Either this stuff or ddos
2014-05-22 21:00
I find this whole thing to be insanely funny... Lets all blame VP and LDLC for csgolounge being to dumb and not atleast trying to be kept in the loop about the matches... gg wp
2014-05-22 21:10
Thank you. The blame here lies with CSGL, not the players.
2014-05-22 21:47
322
2014-05-22 21:11
Haha! So embarrasing, for pasha especially. I bet on LDLC and didn't know any results. At first I was mad, but you did the right thing in the end. I guess this won't happen again.
2014-05-22 21:15
The fault lies with 4 sides here: 1) The ddos'ers from the first game, if they wouldn't have ddos'ed, this woudln't have happened. 2) Faceit + CSGO Lounge should've communicated better. Things like this can be avoided with some simple and precise information. 3) The players should know not to abuse the situation. This is basicly cheating. These aren't just pixels, these are pixels people payed REAL money for. I personally dislike the use of CSGO Lounge as it could in long-term kill the game completely, and I would agree to take the betting for money part down, or replace it by betting for fun, like HLTV does it.
2014-05-22 21:19
srsly fuck csgolounge. it ruins CS. all betting sites have to be removed
2014-05-22 21:22
And by the way. You can't say that betting shouldn't be in cs go, etc. etc... Almost every sport has betting, so why shouldnt esport?
2014-05-22 21:22
Because you need to be 18 for betting. Here we have 80 % kids who cant deal with the fact of losing something. Cry-mode turns on right away.
2014-05-22 21:31
And you had corrupted players, referees, coaches etc in real sports. A lot of matches has been fixed, especially in football, and i think that esports should avoid those stuffs. Betting give only uncertainty for viewers who bets, and later, like boomerang it backs in case of insulting players, and etc.
2014-05-22 21:53
poles and frenchies biggest shitnaps in csgo history we all know
2014-05-22 21:31
lol the same guys who accused Navi of cheating... priceless.
2014-05-22 21:45
biceps 322, SOLO forever
2014-05-22 22:08
cheatersssss
2014-05-22 22:09
I don't see how this is VP or LDLC fault if I'm being honest. Why keep bets open 4 hours after the match had begun? if the matches begins at 11:00 then close the bets at 11:00, not 15:00. This is 100% CSGL's fault. If you are going to conduct a business then do it right. If I had the chance to make $500 because I knew the results of a game and had chance to bet you're damn right I would do it and everyone here is lying to themselves if they say they wouldn't themselves.
2014-05-23 04:08
G322
2014-05-22 22:17
it's pretty much like this... VP (especially!) literally was going to steal money, as in Pascha's case: $450, worth of skins (which is not just pixels as the reporter says, because people actually spend money for these pixels) so did not steal just "money" from casual and avid gamblers. But, stole money from true fans, and that my friend is the shameful part of this mess.
2014-05-22 22:31
"I feel that none of the pro players takes skin-betting seriously, but in the meantime we can't ignore the fact that the average price for a skin i $15. Each weapon in the Steam Market has real value since people invest money in them. It's not just "pixels", because someone paid for these pixels." Its funny to hear it from csgolounge, where they were when ppl losing because of their fault in match Fnatic vs Wizards, where they were when KQLY used money bug in 1st match LDLC vs VP? Instantly gave away skins to winners, and they doesn't give a fuck then, csgolounge administrators are so retarded
2014-05-22 22:38
^ this lol @ all the bullshit in this CSGO Lounge statement, there's so much hypocrisy it's sickening. I especially like the way they try to place blame on the players claiming they cheated fans out of skins. Utterly fucking shameless CSGO Lounge, utterly fucking shameless... What a bunch of tools.
2014-05-23 01:54
Cheaters scammers frauds thieves.
2014-05-22 23:01
- VP & LDLC were in the wrong (both parties, not just those who bet). - FACEIT were in the wrong - CSGL were in the wrong Witch hunting will help or solve NOTHING. This has been made public and publicized, use this as the example case, clamp down on player betting (IP logs) and any further abuse from ANYONE, permenantly ban them from CSGL or better yet, have them done for 'match fixing'. But as of this case, let it die for god sake, flogging a dead horse is doing nothing. As for DDoS'ing, if people can't accept losing skins, so feel the need to DDoS, make it so the people betting have to signup a credit/debit card to the website to prove they are of the age of consent to gamble. kthxbai
2014-05-22 23:05
in my opinion the bets are ruining the game and community... everything is all about stupid skins and everybody makes fuckin stupid commenets all the time about their skins
2014-05-22 23:11
What did you call my skins brah!?
2014-05-22 23:42
all 10 players. Oops.
2014-05-22 23:11
If VP and LDLC wanted to be proper shady about this betting then surely they would have voted using alt. accounts? From the looks of it if CSGOLounge and other players were able to easily identify who had placed the bets then perhaps they did it to purposly draw attention to the issue?
2014-05-22 23:30
this is pathetic... now I hate VP even more than before...
2014-05-22 23:37
lol you think they only betted with their regged steam id's? that would be fkn stupid. they must realised that they might check the steam id`s. new steam account costs like 10 euros and beside they prolly told allot of close friends.
2014-05-22 23:49
"It turned out that some players from both teams had decided to place bets on the game, this way getting a free pass to a sure win as they already knew the outcome of the match. According to Robert "ML" Yakubovski of CSGOLounge, Jaros&#322;aw "pasha" Jarz&#261;bkowski, for example, made $450 worth of skins." I almost died laughing reading this. Great to see what CS has become!
2014-05-22 23:51
I don't see how this is VP or LDLC fault if I'm being honest. Why keep bets open 4 hours after the match had begun? if the matches begins at 11:00 then close the bets at 11:00, not 15:00. This is 100% CSGL's fault. If you are going to conduct a business then do it right. If I had the chance to make $500 because I knew the results of a game and had chance to bet you're damn right I would do it and everyone here is lying to themselves if they say they wouldn't themselves.
2014-05-23 04:08
I'm sure top players bet on themselves or other teams from different Steam accounts anyway. :D
2014-05-22 23:52
Yeah but the difference is they don'd tend to know that they've already won or lost the game when they're betting ;p
2014-05-23 05:00
Ok, can we see VPro's statement now? ;)
2014-05-22 23:56
lol everyone knew this bet will be canceled... this is nobodys fault
2014-05-23 00:12
Everyone what? Lol go back to your new country "Ukrassia"
2014-05-23 01:45
so you really thought it's a legit bet after you read they just show a demo? O.o
2014-05-23 01:52
Its not our fault, Just ban the players from beting Neo, pasha bla bla bla and thats all. its not our problem,
2014-05-23 16:52
they could still bet with an 2nd account...
2014-05-23 18:17
This is so weak and pathetic and a display of very poor integrity. Shame on those weakminded people. You KNOW that you are cheating the system, exploiting a flaw that shouldnt happen. I see so many people but especially eastern europeans think like this (its a sad but true generalization). I love the world and I love all kinds of people but Im greatly repulsed by people who shit on other people bc it makes their life a tiny easier. A cheap short cut that helps them now whilst other pay for it later - No matter the cost. If you are nobody and poor it seems more legit even thought it is just as bad. If you have moeny and are doing well for yourself (like pasha) its down right disgraceful. Stop living with a paupers mindset, you are better than that! Raise yourself from the shithole you dont live in?
2014-05-23 00:13
well said.
2014-05-23 00:21
here here, what a world huh, :S
2014-05-23 00:39
+1
2014-05-23 02:23
I don't see how this is VP or LDLC fault if I'm being honest. Why keep bets open 4 hours after the match had begun? if the matches begins at 11:00 then close the bets at 11:00, not 15:00. This is 100% CSGL's fault. If you are going to conduct a business then do it right. If I had the chance to make $500 because I knew the results of a game and had chance to bet you're damn right I would do it and everyone here is lying to themselves if they say they wouldn't themselves.
2014-05-23 04:08
I agree with you that CSGOL made a mistake. I was not trying to take sides or place blame. I merely expressed my feelings toward people abusing other peoples mistakes and the generel mindset that goes along with such behavior.
2014-05-23 10:07
It's time to close csgolounge for real! Only then I can enjoy the matches again.
2014-05-23 00:20
shame on the players like them !
2014-05-23 00:38
i understand confusion, mistakes and second chances but this is just downright unethical. i hope they feel ashamed :/
2014-05-23 00:38
gg CSGOLounge FUUUAAARRRKKK
2014-05-23 00:44
Ban them for competitive games, fuck VP, fuck LDLC! They shouldn't be in DREAMHACK!
2014-05-23 01:01
+1
2014-05-23 01:45
Such a shame and unprofesional
2014-05-23 01:10
PASHA IS A MACHO MAN BUT LOW BRAIN..
2014-05-23 01:14
would do the same so who cares also 80% of you guys wich search a big number on the whole topic would do it. why not? its SKINS no value irl and the idiots wich seriously pay money for such a crap dont deserve anything else than this
2014-05-23 01:38
Working at McDonald's in Sweden makes you as much as being a project engineer in Poland, of course Poles go for cheap scams. It's still disgusting.
2014-05-23 01:40
but frenchies have also bet on this match
2014-05-23 01:53
Not French-ies, just the one French-ie. Baguette-and-cheese prices are climbing.
2014-05-23 02:03
mo beer mo problems
2014-05-23 01:46
Good job Pasha, and my advice to all you faggots who are betting: Go and bet your money in casino in real life, don't embarrass yourselves by putting money on the fucking COMPUTER GAME, and crying after losing it
2014-05-23 01:56
most of these kiddies are not even allowed to enter a casino
2014-05-23 02:28
+1
2014-05-23 02:36
Doesn't anyone else see the obvious solution to this whole issue? Any professional player who is in any team should not be allowed to bet on their own matches, ever. For that matter it's probably best if they can't bet on any matches. Rules like these exist for almost every real sport; tennis, football, etc. People who are being bet on should not be able to bet as well, because it puts the integrity of the sport/game at risk
2014-05-23 02:34
Hahahaha that moment when google detects that lots of people on this page are talking about "skins", so it puts a whole bunch of ads for skin products up :P
2014-05-23 02:36
I don't see how this is VP or LDLC fault if I'm being honest. Why keep bets open 4 hours after the match had begun? if the matches begins at 11:00 then close the bets at 11:00, not 15:00. This is 100% CSGL's fault. If you are going to conduct a business then do it right. If I had the chance to make $500 because I knew the results of a game and had chance to bet you're damn right I would do it and everyone here is lying to themselves if they say they wouldn't themselves.
2014-05-23 04:06
I can tell you HONESTLY that I would NOT do anything like that. Be it professional betting site, maybe I would understand them, since at the end the company's profit would be affected, but to steal skins of MY OWN fans, that bet on me? That's so fucking false.
2014-05-23 04:59
"but to steal skins of MY OWN fans, that bet on me?" That covers VP players. What about LDLC players who made a bet after results were known?
2014-05-23 13:38
Because CSGL was not aware that the match was already complete - faceit streamed a demo of the match, and CSGL (and everyone else in the world) thought it was live. And no, not "everyone" would do it, given the opportunity.
2014-05-23 07:21
people saying that it's not a big deal have no clue of what this situation actually implies...1) players are fucking skin-hungry 2)virtus-pro don't give a shit about their loving fans and won't think twice about 'stealing' their skins 3)faceit is so far the most unprofessional league
2014-05-23 05:53
Skins are the cancer of this game, everything that makes betting look bad is welcome. Well done VP, you guys should set up some fake accounts next time.
2014-05-23 06:10
just get rid of csgo lounge, cs isnt even about cs anymore, its all about skins. fuck csgo lounge
2014-05-23 07:20
+1 graphic based game ....
2014-05-23 09:59
Sportsmanship 5/5
2014-05-23 08:12
Pasha is scammer, big time. HLTV never forget what Pasha did to his fans. fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-a..
2014-05-23 09:20
But to be honest, WHO would have done the same? I admit.
2014-05-23 09:46
#386
CHEDEL | 
Switzerland CHEDEL 
Everybody ;)
2014-05-23 14:36
1st step : bet skins 2nd step : lose skins 3rd step : cry me a river kids are so weird nowadays !
2014-05-23 10:01
+1
2014-05-23 10:22
Polish will do anything for money. TRAMPS
2014-05-23 10:21
Omg enough already!!. How can some ppl actually defend this kind behavior?? There is and will NEVER be any good reason to cheat. People crying everyday about ppl cheating ingame but when it comes TO REAL MONEY where PROFESSIONALS cheats knowing the result already betting huge amount of money its ok. F*ck this logic. No im not mad cuz of skins, i never betted and will neve do. This kinda of behavior NEEDS to punished ASAP.
2014-05-23 10:25
I didn't even read what you had to say. I couldn't give a fuck. Your company is the exact reason monopolies are bad in business. No compensation for legit betters that have been completely fucked over by your actions.
2014-05-23 11:46
hahaha gamblers cry so much :D
2014-05-23 12:14
Shit i would do the fucking same, .. csgolounge and faceIT should do a better job in the first place.. bunch of wankers.
2014-05-23 13:39
I find funny how many ppls talk shit about the players here. Am I the only one who think it's 100% CSLOUNGE fault here ? Near everybody who just played a match in sport / esport will of course free-bet on that if they find that some compagny still have betting for this match open, that kind of problem is exactly why at least in CS betting system like that cant be take seriously. We can put a lot of money (because skin is money) on match that didnt even matter, who can be easily throw be someone in or outside the game on site who generate more drama daily than average teenage pop celebrity. And yeah, for people who think there is a morality problem here, for me morality have NOTHING to do with that, if a "pro" betting site do that kind of really big error (because in fact, that's really huge) i would bet everyday in my life and sleep like an happy baby every night. And yeah, for people saying VP or LDLC screw their own fanbase because they change the odd, you need to understand why the fuck your own odd are changing after you put money on it. It's just a win-win for that betting site, cant loose shit because odd are adapting, dont need to even know about what kind of sport/esport match you make people bet on. Win-win for CSLOUNGE. without pro site (and by pro, i mean pro) for betting, bet on CSGO isn't better that gambling an case opening. I'm sure some people see themself as "pro" esport analist, but think gambling on CSLOUNGE is serious make you nearly lost all credibility on that point.
2014-05-23 13:52
#385
CHEDEL | 
Switzerland CHEDEL 
+1 And every dude here would have done the same, i mean bet on CSLOUNGE .
2014-05-23 14:36
Yep, absolutely. Makes me laugh to see Lounge posting here and on Reddit, trying to convince others to blame the players. They're not a fucking charity, they take what they like and don't give a monkeys when betters lose items/money when it suits them. Yet when it almost happens to them suddenly it's a massive issue and they fucking cry like little bitches. Too many Lounge fanboys though, thinking the issue has anything to do with morality or cheating. Well done to all the players involved, it's just a pity they didn't get away with it...
2014-05-23 15:02
Snowball effect: Faceit fail to inform lounge -> players abusing betting -> bets getting closed and everyone who won fairly got screwed. The betting of skins have become a double edged sword for the community as a whole. While increasing constantly it's numbers, the whole point of playing/enjoying the game have been ruined because of skins.
2014-05-23 15:23
I honestly can't see how Faceit has a duty to inform some betting site (they aren't involved with) about their schedule. CSGOLounge has to make sure their matches are on the right schedule ...not Faceit. lol.
2014-05-23 16:06
Somebody already pointed out that both organisations keep in touch with each other for information.
2014-05-23 16:49
You're perfectly right. It's not a duty. FaceIt has absolutely no obligation towards CSGL. In the end it's for CSGL to do its job properly. But it's in the best interest of all parties to cooperate and try to make thing runs as smoothly as possible. CSGL exists for better and for worst. Let's try to make it for the best.
2014-05-23 17:42
However, they exist for their own profit - only for their own profit. They're not there to raise money for teams, for tournaments, for servers, nothing. They give nothing back but the skins other members of the community have lost. When you win all you win is what another ordinary gamer has lost - remember that. Under 'parasite' in the dictionary you will see a fairly accurate description of this relationship...
2014-05-24 02:42
I don't want to be the one defending CSGL really. But they offer a ``almost free'' service. Do you think running servers is free ? Do you think building a site web or coding the robot is done magically ? Do you think administrating the site does not take time ? Unlike a parasite each and everyone of its users are consenting. Like many things it's not the tool that is wrong but how some people use it.
2014-05-24 03:06
I agree, none if that is free. But your comparison is basically the same as any real life commercial service - and that's the point you seem to be missing. Just like any other real commercial service, like restaurants, bars, or anything, it's driven by profit - not real interest in it's customers or what they get out of it. That only comes from trying to make more profit. Worse than that it's also at present a monopoly, so they can get away with far more than they otherwise might if they feared a loss of market control to another website. I see no reason to defend server costs, coding or otherwise as they're done for profit; which they're receiving in spades. Back on topic the point I (and others) have made is that when someone undermines their profit, they come out and defame players, claiming they stole skins from their fans. Which was pretty much a complete and utter lie. They also made a statement where they claimed what the players did was wrong because skins are (effectively) 'real money'. Yet that never bothered Lounge when it was THEM taking 'real money' from other gamers by drafting... (see Wizards or VP match for example). They are a profit making enterprise that exists only to serve themselves. Which in itself is fine and there is no problem with that. The issue is when gamers try to defend them, pretending they're giving something back or playing some positive part in the community. Or even better, when Lounge themselves try to take the moral high ground. That in particular is a joke and shows just how desperately mercenary they really are. tl;dr - no-one is claiming they can't make a profit for their work, but they shouldn't hide behind fake morals, or even worse, blatant lies to make themselves seem less corrupt.
2014-05-24 13:09
bumax.pp.fi/piikki/piikki.swf Im so happy that pasha and other polish players got busted for cheating skins.
2014-05-23 15:34
lol, you really can't see past this, can you... (btw - noone got 'busted', nothing happened to them) :)
2014-05-23 16:05
For some people, honesty and respecting rules is part of life. I feel sorry for you if you like cheaters and scammers. And yes, pasha got busted. He tried to scam 450e worth skins from his fans. Try to realize that.
2014-05-23 16:19
No he didn't, try to realise that. Clearly you're a little slow so I'll try to use small words and be patient. Pasha's 'fans' invariably bet on VP. Pasha (nor anyone else in VP) threw the game intentionally. VP bet on LDLC. The only impact those bets had were on the odds of someone else winning after betting on LDLC. Therefore if the bets had been allowed to stand, the only 'fans' who could have possibly felt cheated would have been those og LDLC who would have recieved less for what they bet. I can't really make this any clearer. If you still don't get that what you said is bullshit, you need special assistance - and I'm afraid I don't provide that to nintendo characters. (oh and lol at the two dimensional lifestyle morality lesson!!)
2014-05-24 02:37
#5thieves never forget
2014-05-23 16:48
FailFish. We have 322 in CS:GO now?
2014-05-24 01:38
#410
World Fzq 
Didn't personally bet on this match, but I find it discusting by those whom did and knew the result beforehand. Shame on you VP and LDLC players/friends who did it deliberately.
2014-05-24 02:30
glad the players did it.. IMO all players should get their skins too.. csgolounge is ruining the community anyways serves them right as its entirely CSGOLOUNGEs fault... if they post the wrong time and anyone takes advantage of it, its on them similar to the wes welker betting on horse racing.. they payed him the wrong amount and expect him to give them back for THEIR mistake? fuck that.. couldnt care less if csgolounge or any nerd loses their skins.. if you dont wanna lose dont bet. plain and simple
2014-05-24 02:34
haha.
2014-05-25 21:52
Never forget , soo fkin dirty.
2015-12-08 14:00
#425
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Poland sUchy1337 
Pro players are not allowed to bet on their matches anymore plus ldlc had a cheater in team, everyone blame VP when 99% of you would have done it. Shitpost, shit rumors
2016-01-06 11:35
Vp perma ban?
2016-01-06 11:36
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