G3 replace de_train with de_cache

Gfinity 3's CS:GO head admin has confirmed their decision to remove de_train from the map pool and replace it with de_cache.

After ESL announced they would alter the map pool in time for ESL One Cologne, many have started speculating with the possibility of a seven map pool without de_train being used.

Valve removed de_train from its active duty maps in matchmaking, and added three new maps in de_cache, de_overpass and de_cobblestone, suggesting those may come into play in Cologne.


de_cache will be played instead of de_train at G3 

The developers of CS:GO have set certain guidelines to each of the community-funded $250,000 tournaments, and that has always included using the map pool they wanted.

Now G3, which will take place two weeks before ESL One Cologne, has decided to take action, by removing de_train in anticipation of the change and adding de_cache:

de_cache de_dust2 de_inferno de_mirage de_nuke

G3 will feature a $45,000 CS:GO tournament at the Olympic Park in London, with most of the world's top teams present, and HLTV.org will travel on-site to provide you with full coverage.

n1
2014-07-06 10:53
10 replies
de_cache is the best map for me :)
2014-07-06 13:37
9 replies
+1
2014-07-06 17:53
no cs_insertion is the best sorry Kappa
2014-07-06 19:12
6 replies
Dude, it's my opinion ._. get_lost if you don't respect other's opinion.
2014-07-06 19:36
5 replies
I guess you couldn't tell it was a joke and you don't watch twitch. Sorry bud
2014-07-06 21:19
4 replies
I don't watch twitch? HAHAHA I bet I am more online on twitch than you.
2014-07-06 21:22
3 replies
then did you just not see the Kappa?
2014-07-06 21:28
2 replies
Chill out he said kappa fucking idiot.
2014-07-06 21:53
1 reply
Oh shit sorry XD hahaha got me ;D
2014-07-06 22:13
we also wait for Toscan !
2014-07-07 05:33
#2
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up
Very good to see. Also de_train update incoming
2014-07-06 10:54
5 replies
how do u know=?
2014-07-06 14:23
4 replies
#135
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up
reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/29.. also de_train was removed from the "Active Duty" map pool. Most likely it will be updated then added/swapped in
2014-07-06 14:44
3 replies
wp :) train should be 1.6 version.. much irregular ground and much corners at de_train of now.
2014-07-06 18:54
2 replies
#195
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up
I wish they used de_train_ve then made changes based off of that. Most likely Valve's new version will be just as shitty and imbalanced as the current de_train and have more clutter+chickens.
2014-07-06 19:14
1 reply
tuscan its what we need ;)
2014-07-06 21:49
am i the only one that loves TRAIN ? xD
2014-07-06 10:54
36 replies
no my friend!
2014-07-06 10:55
Best map in CS:GO for me :)
2014-07-06 10:56
not my favourite map to play but probably my most favourite map to watch. stupid morons remove it although all the top teams in the world regularly play it...
2014-07-06 11:11
25 replies
Okey, so you say that im a stupid moron for the sake of removing the map. Let me explain why i did it. First of all, i decided to add train to the pool. Second of all, i cant have a mappool of six maps, its retarded. Third, i needed to remove one map. Train is the map with least playtime, its also the map with huge momentum swings and inconsistent results. So thats why i removed train for this tourney. And i think this is the future for CSGO, im making a statement and taking a step forward.
2014-07-06 11:17
22 replies
I think lurppis made a really good case for a map pool of 7 maps.
2014-07-06 11:24
14 replies
Yes, Lurppis is making a lot of good things. But the problems as i see it is that the teams are already fine with having 5 maps in the mappool, and dont wanna practice on more different maps. Sure it would be fun to play more maps, but the best veto system is working with 5 maps. Then i'm always open to replace and change maps within the 5 thats in there.
2014-07-06 11:27
13 replies
"But the problems as i see it is that the teams are already fine with having 5 maps in the mappool, and dont wanna practice on more different maps." You really have no clue have you? Many of the pro teams have stated several times that 7 map pool would be a nice thing...
2014-07-06 12:59
12 replies
I dont see why just casually adding maps is making the tounament better? This time i removed de_train and added cache. I think that we should embrace quality and not quantity.
2014-07-06 13:12
11 replies
since the release of the csgo train, ive said its a shitty solution from the older train versions.... they should redo it...
2014-07-06 14:32
1 reply
They are redoing it tho
2014-07-06 17:55
If you follow NBK and most of the NiP team (as they're the only ones I follow and check on regularly on twitter) they have stated several times that a 7 map pool would make the tournaments more interesting and make it more interesting for the viewers. :)
2014-07-06 15:49
8 replies
But what is hard to understand? It makes no sense to just add maps if the maps arent good. Shall I add cs_Italy just because adding one Map is good? Quality is always better than quantity, and train is not a good Map while de_cache is a perfect replacement. Embrace the new and let the old be a thing of the past. Let give cache the chance it deserves within the five maps
2014-07-06 16:09
7 replies
So season doesnt fit in?
2014-07-06 17:04
4 replies
Season is not up to par in a tournament in my opinion. Once again, the more quality maps there is the better, but right now. The five maps ive choosen is the best ones.
2014-07-06 17:06
3 replies
+season +cbble ?????? profit
2014-07-06 17:09
RobbaN map de_train will change? Will we see it even in tournaments?
2014-07-06 17:12
the pros seem to disagree since season was played more than train, nuke or mirage at esea
2014-07-06 18:49
Not for you to decide whether train is a good map or not.
2014-07-07 05:42
1 reply
Alright, so who is it to decide? It's my tournament, I make the rules. Are you kidding me?
2014-07-07 06:12
I don't know who you are or if you're involved with G3 but removing Train is a logical move, none plays the map. None wants to play the map, Cache however teams like to play, look at ESEA it was one of the most played maps with Inferno & D2. It's not as unbalanced as Train is which means teams will be given another choice in Bo1 games.
2014-07-06 11:37
6 replies
Yes then you are right. Im headadmin on Gfinity. Also on dreamhack. Better known as the child on stream ;) hltv.org/gallery/view/31689
2014-07-06 11:49
5 replies
I think by removing train you are kind of giving top teams such as Titan who don't play train a huge advantage as they do not need to veto it and can save the veto for others. Implementing 7 map pool seems better IMO.
2014-07-06 12:25
1 reply
Cant add or remove maps based on which teams are good or bad on which.
2014-07-06 14:46
robban!! :)
2014-07-06 12:28
1 reply
Hi Dixyboy, whats good bro? :)
2014-07-06 12:35
which one are you :D:D
2014-07-06 15:17
the top teams do not play it
2014-07-06 11:34
TBH - Train is chosen far less than Cache, I don't think it's a BAD map as such, but it certainly needs changes. Hopefully Valve can sort it out :)
2014-07-06 18:26
i love this map too :)
2014-07-06 11:51
the best map on the game imo :(
2014-07-06 11:58
train best in cs;go ;)
2014-07-06 12:01
awesome map :)
2014-07-06 13:23
shit map need update :)
2014-07-06 13:35
No you're not :)
2014-07-06 14:07
Used to be my fav map in 1.6..the bhops under the train and sick movement on the ladders but in csgo its MEH
2014-07-06 14:25
probably my third favorite map after nuke and cache. that being said it is significantly worse than the 1.6 version imo!
2014-07-06 17:37
omg why train is amazing map
2014-07-06 10:57
I think it's pretty awesome that cache is added, but what's up with removing train? Train is a really good map and if the terrorist have good tactics the map can be balanced..
2014-07-06 11:03
13 replies
l0l dat argument "if terrorist have good tactics the map can be balanced" no shit
2014-07-06 11:21
8 replies
??? Everyone says that the map is too ct favoured. I'm just argumenting against those. Almost every commentators and analyst says that nuke and train isn't played in bo1 is because the map is too ct favoured. Maybe because people doesn't have good enough set tactics.
2014-07-06 11:29
7 replies
Teams don't practice the map because they don't want to. None wants to play the map, it's a shit map and always has been.
2014-07-06 11:38
6 replies
nuke train best maps if u dont have brain dont play this maps :*
2014-07-06 12:02
5 replies
So none of the pro teams have brains?
2014-07-06 12:06
4 replies
the reason they dont pracc it, is that all teams almost ban it.... then there is no reason to pracc it...
2014-07-06 14:33
3 replies
Why do they ban it? Because it's imbalanced and not worth taking a huge risk playing it.
2014-07-06 14:40
2 replies
No one wants to play train on BO1. Too much angles for you to check. Cannot crouch under the train. Pretty random map. Too narrow.
2014-07-06 17:45
1 reply
Which has been my point all the time. Why have a map none wants to play in the pool? Even if it's only bo1, it's always dust2 / inferno / mirage, time to change that. Cache is the change that's needed.
2014-07-06 18:43
If you read my other posts you understand. Im making a statement as well as a step into the future. Train is not a good map, teams are forced into momentum pushes and some of CSGO:s most awkward results has occurred on train.
2014-07-06 11:29
2 replies
So because you don't like train it's not good for the event, k.
2014-07-06 13:53
I hope you are wrong and this is not the future. Much better future is a 7 map mappool. We only need one more good balanced competitive map, maybe tuscan if it ever gets released. The results on train were obviously a bit more "random" because of its low frequency of play. Many teams just didn't practise it. The map was perfect for upsets and you must know that everybody loves upsets. It was also a great 3rd map to be played in a tied BO3 match. The opinion that you have presented in one of your comments above, where you said that teams don't want to practise and play more maps is, well, at least very questionable as we saw many interviews with the best players saying something else...
2014-07-06 14:48
thats not the point,the map is dull and poorly made its limited ,narrowed and overall stupid (having 2 Ct towers dafuq is that)
2014-07-06 11:35
they are noob... instead of adding new maps, they remove existing maps... train is not played as in 1.6 cuz in csgo there are so many noobs who don't know what we are talking about... gg volvo
2014-07-06 11:03
5 replies
one had to be removed because they can only use official maps for the major valve sponsored tournaments. and since there isn't a viable 7th map they can use (can you see teams praccing on cobblestone and overpass?) they simply replace one of the maps and stick to a 5 map pool thats easy to veto with in bo3 (1 team removes, 2nd team removes, 1 team picks, second team picks, last map is decider).
2014-07-06 12:31
4 replies
Ty.
2014-07-06 12:38
There will be 7 maps for ESL One.
2014-07-06 16:54
2 replies
know what they will be? obv the current 5 +train and what else?
2014-07-06 16:59
1 reply
haha, yes I know. Unfortunately can't say until it's public.
2014-07-06 17:00
Good. Hopefully, by the time of DH Winter there will be 7 proper competitive maps in the pool
2014-07-06 11:05
7 replies
Does not matter whether we have 5 good maps or 70 good maps in the pool. A nice map pool for a tournament is five maps, its the perfect number for the teams that practice. Im making DreamHack aswell, and I have no plans to extend the mappool with 7 maps, but ill see in future.
2014-07-06 11:22
6 replies
Would love to hear the reasoning behind the statement that five maps "is the perfect number for the teams that practice" (considering you really are a DH representative and discussed the matter with the pro players) I also don't mind map pool of five as long as: -It's not stale -Valve keeps making gameplay and visual updates to the older maps -Veto system is renowed (hltv.org/news/12640-a-fresh-look-at-impr..http://www.hltv.org/news/12640-a-fresh-look-at-improving-tourneys But who will make all of this happen?
2014-07-06 11:47
2 replies
answer later, ill give you an answer.
2014-07-06 11:52
1 reply
Please do
2014-07-06 15:15
What if valve update train, and brute releases tuscan? We still stick with 5, leaving out two good maps?
2014-07-06 13:12
1 reply
Then we have an other scenario. I can have 7 mappool if there is 7 good maps, but the most consisten and best tournament structure is 5 maps. Just adding maps into a mappool isnt really making the tounament better.
2014-07-06 13:14
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Poland dijef
Problem with 5 maps is rotation. As we saw before, tournament after tournament we see clans playing same same 2-3 maps. It is getting boring to watch. I would be fine with 5 maps as long inferno won't repeat 3 times in a row in one day. I liked more when maps were pre-defined, or each clan could pick up one and last is random selection. Also current system allows clans to not train 2 maps as they know they can knock them out.
2014-07-06 14:33
Titan dun nid veto anything now, they have such a huge advantage in this lan :( They can just veto the opponent's strong map and ez win for them. Also, MM active duty map =/= maps used in competitive. Valve hinted that train is being remade, hence they decided to put it into reserve maps at the momment, they will put it back in active duty when they release the new map. However, i suspect overpass might be used in ESL Cologne
2014-07-06 11:16
when will G3 take place?
2014-07-06 11:12
1 reply
2-3 August in Copperbox Arena, London The price is 22£ per day.
2014-07-06 11:19
why? they can just add it without replacing.
2014-07-06 11:12
8 replies
Because it's a lot of maps to force top teams to practice on six or five maps. And with 6 maps i need to tweak the map-vetoing in a way that i don't feel is necessary
2014-07-06 11:20
7 replies
Still,train is classic. :D
2014-07-06 11:20
6 replies
I know man, i love train. So it was a hard decision, but i don't think its rash. I think we are taking a step in the right decision here. Something needed to change, and cache is the perfect addition.
2014-07-06 11:23
5 replies
Yes,cache is cool...
2014-07-06 11:25
7 map pool is not bad at all. Its boring to see d2,inferno,mirage being played all the time.No one picks up cache/nuke when these 3 are there.We need change.and season and cache were good enough...
2014-07-06 11:41
3 replies
i was thinking about adding season for a moment. But when it's all said and done, removing train and adding cache was the best solution for me.
2014-07-06 11:50
2 replies
Or just 7 map pool...
2014-07-06 13:36
1 reply
No, since i dont think either train or Season is top notch maps i didnt wanna do 7 map pool...
2014-07-06 13:40
Why not add both maps?
2014-07-06 11:19
7 replies
How would you do the Vetoing? Why do you want a map in the pool that none plays?
2014-07-06 11:40
6 replies
Train is played a lot.Atleast VP plays it a lot...its the other teams who dont want to play it...coz they cant ? VP and NIP like train.
2014-07-06 11:42
3 replies
I've seen VP play it once at EMS and NiP when? Not counting them crapping on Tier 3 teams in online leagues. NiP got a good record on it because the times they play Train is versus really bad teams, their record versus higher tier teams is awful. They're hardly good on it, they're good at stomping worse teams on it. 2 out of what, 20 teams playing a map isn't enough to justify it in the map pool when you've got far far better maps available. There's a reason why Train is usually banned or not played. Because, teams don't WANT to play it. You might like watching it but when teams don't play it you can't watch it anyway. Maybe it's just me but I'm happy that there's going to be a tournament that isn't CS:Inferno Offensive. You can say "well it's always been there". So what? The game needs to evolve and what G3 is doing is a step forward instead of the normal 1 step forward and 3 back that the CS scene usually takes. Really hope G3 sticks with their decision to replace Train, anything to spice up the games is good.
2014-07-06 11:48
2 replies
nip has played against coL on train @esea s14 finals they played against fnatic on train @dreamhack winter '13 they played vs Wester Wolves @CPH games '13 finals they played LGB on train @esports venture cup in april '14 and they'v played VP on train in the first map of a bo3 @CPH games '14. i'm not stating these facts cos i want to keep train, i'm all for the idea of replacing it with cache i just thought i'd point out that nip has played train against decent teams on several notable occasions :)
2014-07-06 12:43
1 reply
5 times in 10 months. ))
2014-07-06 14:21
I would add season too. ;)
2014-07-06 11:56
1 reply
But then you got a 7 map pool which he stated he didn't want? If you're going to play around with the maps and eventually add more maps wouldn't it be better to wait for Valve to fix train and then add 2 more maps? Until then I think it's fine with 5 maps.
2014-07-06 12:08
G3 doing everything right from the start, impressive to say the least.
2014-07-06 11:21
1 reply
Ty very much my friend.
2014-07-06 11:50
this is so fucking stupid
2014-07-06 11:23
#26
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Hungary icbad
Shit Train my favorite
2014-07-06 11:23
Why not just add cache and keep train? ;_;
2014-07-06 11:24
Why defuq was de_train removed? Btw it's still in matchmaking(2nd page): cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/56609582366..
2014-07-06 11:35
1 reply
omg....
2014-07-06 11:35
niCE
2014-07-06 11:38
#44
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Belgium Clinternet
Wtf is this for bullshit. removing a great map pff
2014-07-06 11:43
TRAIN <3
2014-07-06 11:46
I think that there should be 1 NEW MAP ROTATION on every tournament. Standard map pool + 1 completely new map.
2014-07-06 11:48
3 replies
Thats actually a nice idea to work with, so you agree on that Dd2, inferno, nuke and mirage + one new? (at leas one map that rotate)
2014-07-06 11:51
2 replies
yes, thats the point, it would make tournaments more interesting
2014-07-06 12:11
#163
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Poland venomstw
I would rather remove NUKE instead of TRAIN. Nuke is rather t-sided map, cause its easier to win a t-round on train than on nuke.
2014-07-06 17:11
#55
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Denmark qwedsa
Interesting.
2014-07-06 11:53
d2 inferno nuke mirage cache tuscan season that would be the perfect mappool imo. If train gets tweaked it could replace season, but just dreaming, tuscan will never be released^^
2014-07-06 11:56
WHERE can I find the G3 lan teamlist?
2014-07-06 11:58
4 replies
At Hltv.org, but ill drop the final one this coming week, so calm down my friend :)
2014-07-06 12:02
3 replies
Where at hltv.org? I've looked around and found nothing. Can you link me the one so far? I'm curious right now, I might die before the weeks starts/progresses.
2014-07-06 22:45
2 replies
hltv.org/news/12708-g3-with-45k-invites-.. right there mate. But this tomorrow night i can drop full list.
2014-07-06 23:04
1 reply
Thans a lot.
2014-07-07 00:05
#62
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Greece her-1g
notable its the first time since the beginning that de_train is exluded from a tournament, in all versions of cs
2014-07-06 12:02
6 replies
Very much true, thats why its kinda bold to make this decision. But i think we need to see this from the perspective we saw De_aztec. De_train is not delivering the games we want, so we are removing it.
2014-07-06 12:34
5 replies
#85
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Greece her-1g
actually it never did. it was always a shit map
2014-07-06 13:10
4 replies
You are right, but the community went mad when that fell out of play back in the days. Just as the comments here. Ive gotter very good response from the 4 teams ive talked to now this morning.
2014-07-06 13:15
3 replies
#110
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Greece her-1g
everyone expects train to magically be the bast map in csgo, after the upcoming update. Everyone highlighted volcano's edition of train because you could go under the trains but that was even worse!!! Community is uneducated and they say bullshit half of the times without realising it. train was never balanced
2014-07-06 13:44
2 replies
Maps don't need to be balanced (CT/T) to be good tho... CS1.6 train was really CT sided but still an awesome and also complex map to play. CSGO Train wasn't at that level, but still I enjoyed it quite a lot after some time... sad they will remove it now. Hopefully VALVe will create another version and reintroduce it soon.
2014-07-06 17:40
1 reply
#185
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Greece her-1g
yeah it was a complex map to play but we had different movement and it gave the map another dimension. in csgo all you can do it spam duck-shoot-duck-shoot adadadad and 3-4 hops if you are good. I believe this was the reason that _ve was a disappointment. to be honest, in csgo i only enjoyed de_train_se all the other editions were meh
2014-07-06 18:14
Why replace? Just keep train and cache....
2014-07-06 12:22
valve didnt remove de_train right? Its just on the next page of maps
2014-07-06 12:34
Inv Virtus!! :C
2014-07-06 12:38
no overpass no fun
2014-07-06 12:38
Doing a little research here over several train matches from latest events (DH, dignitas inv, ESEA lan, starseries, CPH etc) Excluded matches where the loser team got less than 6 rounds, because getting rekt can happen on any map or any side. VP 16:9 Navi, 13 T rounds won, 52% NiP 16:12 VP, 15 T rounds won 53% ESC 9:16 SK, 12 T rounds won 48% Mouz 8:16 dAT, 9 T rounds won 37.5% NiP 19:16 Navi, 18 T rounds won 51% fnatic 16:14 Nip,15 T rounds won 50% NiP 16:5 SK, 9 T rounds won 37.5% VP 16:12 SK, 5 T rounds won 18% Reason 13:16 aligon 6 T rounds won 20% LDLC 9:16 VP, 8 T rounds won 32% NiP 10:16 VP, 9 T rounds won 34% NiP 15:19 Navi, 16 T rounds won 47% LGB 13:16 NiP, 10 T rounds won 34% navi 16:13 mouz, 17 T rounds won 58% NiP 12:16 VP, 19 T rounds won 67% LDLC 16:14 Titan, 13 T rounds won 43% Reason 7:16 NiP, 10 T rounds won 43% total rounds won: 469 total Terrorist rounds won: 204, 43.5% As you can see the myth of heavy CT side map just dissapears, it is as balanced as a map can be, a lot more balanced that the 1.6 map, and more balanced than other more popular maps like dust2/mirage. Notice the better the teams the more T rounds, instead of the more CT as in 1.6. On several matches more T rounds were won, which are mostly finals or semi-finals of events, where teams show 100% of their strats/playstyle. Would love some1 like Lurppis going deeper in this research, and compare the rest of the maps. TL:DR train is a fairly balanced map which is fucking awesome playing and watching the more skilled the teams are.
2014-07-06 12:51
17 replies
Whats your point? As I said, since valve is removing the map in the majors i dont see any point on keeping it for the big tournament just before ESL one. Train is a thing of the past, lets cheer in the new and give de_cache the room it deserves, within the standard mappool.
2014-07-06 12:52
2 replies
my point is that there's no reason to remove the map. The problem with the map pool is that there are only 5 maps, not that they are the wrong maps.
2014-07-06 12:55
1 reply
+1
2014-07-06 13:38
yeah when the best teams play it its pretty balanced, but for noobs/mixes and stuff like that its very ct sided.. really wondering how it can take this long to fix some of the obvious problems with the map.
2014-07-06 13:02
2 replies
Nah for me nuke its more ct sided than train(in go) and we all love nuke ,
2014-07-06 13:32
1 reply
Sure, but nuke is pretty easy to play and a clean looking map, train is full of random crap and has too many positions to check, atleast on A site.
2014-07-06 17:13
Besides the fact that its a clusterfuck of random things thrown into close quarters. Inside is somewhat decent but outside is just a giant mess :D The volcano version or whoever the esea version was made by was a lot better!
2014-07-06 13:32
3 replies
Agreed, train_ve is so much more fun to play. Hopefully Valve's new version (?) will be better.
2014-07-06 14:15
2 replies
Haha wouldnt bet on it :D There still isnt a flawless and perfect for competetion map made by valve in csgo.... its kidna sad :D But atleast they know and they constantly make jokes of it with their worthless updates (removing pretty flowers, adding more etc..)
2014-07-06 14:27
1 reply
wtf are you talking about??? de_mist is the most promosing map! all the new maps in update... dosnt even reminds me of a COD close quarter map... cs_insertion is gonna be played at EMS... i can feel it.... valve is doing such a good job, adding stuff to get more players... but the maps...... WOW.... atleast they could start of doing matchmaking 1.45 min. 35 sec bombdefuse... could be nice.. insert sarcasm on TOP
2014-07-06 14:46
#148
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United States lurppis
all maps in cs:go except de_nuke are fairly balanced. de_train isn't getting removed because it's one-sided, it's getting removed because it sucks as a map, which is why no one plays it.
2014-07-06 15:44
6 replies
#166
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Poland venomstw
You're completely right Lurrpi, saying that train is not balanced map compared to nuke is just ridiculous
2014-07-06 17:14
Totally agree with you. Is it possible that when will the de_tuscan, nuke is removed?
2014-07-06 17:18
4 replies
#169
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United States lurppis
i'll believe de_tuscan comes when i see it. maybe by 2017.
2014-07-06 17:21
3 replies
de_train will change? or he completely disappears from the events?
2014-07-06 17:23
2 replies
#171
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United States lurppis
dunno, i can't tell the future
2014-07-06 17:30
1 reply
well let's hope that tuscan soon appear. In any case, train and nuke such maps to veto more often than not, judging from the latest 3 tournaments, and if we remove one, it is fair to delete and nuke. Have a good time. Sorry for English, online translator. :D
2014-07-06 17:36
gj volvo, train could be an awesome map with a few changes, but youre so busy with your stupid skins to do anything about it
2014-07-06 12:58
2 replies
+1
2014-07-06 18:06
Despite confirming in the last update that they were working on it?
2014-07-06 19:56
Train is and have always been the best map. ZzzzzZ
2014-07-06 12:58
2 replies
ul bro :D
2014-07-06 17:42
1 reply
:( grrrrr
2014-07-06 18:43
Train great map, but it needs adjusting.
2014-07-06 13:18
lillrobbaan you neednt reply to every post. you are decision maker. Adding cache is a great move, and until theres a possible 7th map which the community loves (personally hoping overgrown/season), then by all means remove train. In future however, I hope to see it return. All the best
2014-07-06 13:18
1 reply
Ofc i dont have to reply to all posts :) I make the decisions i make, but i think it can be humble by me to answer questions from the community. Not just making my thing and then not giving a shit. Because at the end of the day I just wanna put up a great show for ALL OF YOU!
2014-07-06 13:24
Good choice, why would they use map that no one play.
2014-07-06 13:20
1 reply
+1
2014-07-06 13:23
Well i disagree with most here, I find train to be horrible. There are so many positions where you cant move freely around especially outside. The ESEA version was and still is a lot better ;D
2014-07-06 13:35
3 replies
+1
2014-07-06 13:52
You mean barrels and shit?. I agree on that. But do you think getting them removed (or any other thing you may find bad) would make it acceptable for you guys? not going as far as switching to the ESEA version, just a middle ground.
2014-07-06 13:59
1 reply
Trains being but next to walls, you cant run out T mid towards heaven and move to any sides your pretty much stuck between a wall and a train :D Also the fact that you can see peoples feet under the trains. I loved train in css, hell even the 1.6 version was better :D
2014-07-06 14:29
Removed the best map in the cycle. Shouldve removed inferno.
2014-07-06 13:36
#109
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Taiwan SCVready
cs_insertion in map pool incoming
2014-07-06 13:41
Nice
2014-07-06 14:04
whar valve do? Make a joke of de_train, then push out of any league normal version of train, still ignore any suggestions of editing train to normal version, instead updates overpass and cobblestone. And now they just push everyone to remove train from standart mappool because map isnt popular and playable. G fucking G valve, keep destroying game, you have pure talent to do this.
2014-07-06 14:13
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Valve hasnt done anything here, i can chose what map that shall be in the tourny, but i think its time to say good buy to Train as it is now. Valve is not removing it, im removing it.
2014-07-06 14:25
#117
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Ukraine petruska
wtf?
2014-07-06 14:14
oleeeee
2014-07-06 14:15
This is a good move. Regardless of how much you all "love train" it doesnt get played at a pro level. So better to have 5 maps in the pool that are played, instead of 4 + train. Cache is also relatively balanced with may result in less inferno. All this is great! People felt the same way when aztec/prodigy were dropped in 1.5/1.6
2014-07-06 14:16
7 replies
This was exactly how i thought when removing train. I dont think its a point just adding maps to the pool. I mean, great in 7 maps are good, but better if 5 maps are good. In my opinion a 5 map tournament is more consistent and easier to veto that 7
2014-07-06 14:29
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Hello. sorry for my bad English, I use an Internet translator.Let me ask you a few questions. 1? 1) Map de_train will change, and will we see her in tournaments? 2) When about we will be able to see the map de_tuscan? 3) In this post hltv.org/news/12640-a-fresh-look-at-impr.. we can see that the past 3 Championships map practicing some weird de_nuke rounds, played just one more time than de_train, is it possible that de_tuscan, we remove practicing some weird de_nuke rounds, because basically the team impose a veto on these maps. Once again, sorry for the bad English, I hope you could understand me. :D
2014-07-06 15:16
It doesnt get played coz teams are scared to play it.THey dont practice it ,some teams are good on it.Other suck at it.Its that simple.
2014-07-06 14:41
4 replies
that's exactly the point, it's been around forever and nobody wants to play it. Cache has been around for a fraction of the time and already overtaken it. So why keep it around? It means we are essentially playing 4 maps. You can take a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. Unless the current system changes (where you remove maps instead of choose maps) train will never be played. The only exception is you get some super niche matchup where both teams have a weaker unique map (old fnatic on nuke for example and nip removing mirage in DHW final) And then teams play it because it's the only map left which results in an average game because nobody prepared anything and they just hope for the best.
2014-07-06 15:02
3 replies
rofl if you honestly think nip and fnatic had nothing prepared on train..
2014-07-06 17:44
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Well, ChrisJ, surely they had something prepared on de_train, but you can prepare aim_map aswell, it doesnt produce good games. Thats why I remove it. Teams dont wanna play it, people does not wanna watch it. It was basicly just there to be played as decider. Now we got a breth of fresh air when de_cache is in the 5-mappool
2014-07-06 17:55
sorry that was poorly worded, i meant the other teams who end up on it, not the teams that had a worse map. what i was trying to say is, if we continue to allow teams to walk into a comp and say "there is no way we are going to play nuke" because it's using the removal not pick veto system i think the problem will persist.
2014-07-06 23:57
+1
2014-07-06 14:26
Good news, map almost never gets played and cache should see more play time.
2014-07-06 14:26
Good move. :)
2014-07-06 15:02
Supported, LillRobbaN. Always felt that train wasn't exactly up to par in tournaments. Not even in matchmaking. Had it been as balanced as dust2, cache or inferno, things might've been different. Don't misunderstand, the map itself I liked in 1.6 and played it alot. But even then it was abit CT sided and people weren't exactly HUGE on it. Good call.
2014-07-06 15:03
good!
2014-07-06 15:21
why no cobblestone???
2014-07-06 15:25
gay move
2014-07-06 15:43
#150
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CIS Laggy
=( Train awesome map
2014-07-06 15:55
mirage train d2 nuke inf cache season pls
2014-07-06 16:09
If only they'd make train less of a clusterfuck map thus making it less awkward to move around, it might stand a chance. I just feel like a sloppy giant bouncing into everything. Maybe my movement sucks, but fingers crossed for an update for the map in the right direction
2014-07-06 16:41
Do you really want to delete de_train forever? It will no longer be in tournaments? Or will you change it? + tuscan -nuke
2014-07-06 16:43
keep both maps
2014-07-06 17:04
As much as I like VALVe finally "overhauling" the classic maps (which were in large mere Source ports), we can see with inferno that it is first and foremost a graphical refresh, and while visibility has definitely improved, the standard maps could need various gameplay tweaks. The only thing gameplay-related they have changed on inferno is negative. Removed various boost and bang spots. Wouldn't be surprised if they negatively messed with skyboxes either. I am not optimistic about what they will do to train.
2014-07-06 17:50
de_train is the most skill required map so far..
2014-07-06 18:02
hltv.org/match/2291823-virtuspro-esc-esl.. Train going ON. Close game.VP winning on T side.Recent matches...all teams have been playing better on T side.
2014-07-06 18:35
2 replies
people are just hive minded. train has been one of the most balanced maps for months.
2014-07-06 18:55
1 reply
nuke is the most unbalanced map, but they don't do a thing about that :(
2014-07-07 12:29
VOLVO PLEASEEEEEEE GIVE US TUSCAN
2014-07-06 18:37
Maybe add de_tuscan oh wait
2014-07-06 20:12
de_train_ve >>>
2014-07-06 20:17
fuck yeah. Train is a shit map in CSGO. They literally removed EVERYTHING that made train, TRAIN - an interesting and viably fun map into a disaster. I mean.. ffs you can't even go under the trains. This isn't de_train. I'm sorry. There is no spirit in it. Honestly, cache could easily replace dust2 as well since it's so damn boring - but dust2 is a sound map as much as I hate it. (Who isn't sick of dust2 that has played since 2002?)
2014-07-06 20:32
3 replies
TBQH i hate D2.I try to avoid it as much as possible.
2014-07-06 20:58
2 replies
Yeah man.. it's so fuckin boring. I mean the map layout is not bad at all. It's just that most of us have played it for YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
2014-07-06 22:19
1 reply
You can still smoke from T spawn and if they removed the height of the building it could, and should be made easier. Crawling under trains? nah too ct biased, just make a ladder on 5 train there isn't enough options as ct.
2014-07-07 07:10
lol de_train is the oldest map in cs, removing it doesnt b gud
2014-07-06 21:31
dust 2 out train in LETS GO
2014-07-07 07:05
nice
2014-07-07 08:07
#220
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Hungary Bonkheads
omg, wtf is this panic? simple play in the basic maps like dust2 inferno nuke mirage train cache season cbblestone (incsgo) and overpass is only a joke, these are fckn fun maps for MM silvers
2014-07-07 08:50
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#221
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Greece her-1g
actually after the last update cbble isnt that bad
2014-07-07 12:24
No, this is wrooong, train >>> nuke, cache, season, cbble, overpass, etccc D:<<<<
2014-07-07 12:27
you could've remove de_dust2 easily, this map is nothing special after all this years, and was played way too much time, and many pro player got enough of it.
2014-07-09 04:03
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