Why G3 trumps ESL One Cologne

With G3 kicking off on Saturday, we take a look at some of the reasons why for now you should be more excited about the $45,000 tournament than ESL One.

ESL One Cologne is the event of mid-2014. It has the most prize money, most prestige, probably the best teams and it's the one everyone is going to want to win the most.

Despite the prize purse hardly being comparable, this weekend's Gfinity 3 in London offers plenty of other reasons, than how much money the players will win, to get you excited about.

This short article will quickly explain why you should be psyched to watch Gfinity 3 this weekend, and point out some of the ways it actually is more interesting than its bigger brother two weeks later.


An event doesn't have to have more prize money to be more exciting 


It's more wide open

By the time ESL One rolls around G3 will have told us who is in good shape, who won't do well, and who are the clear favorites to end up on the podium in Cologne. On the other hand, G3 is wide open in comparison, and we could really see some huge surprises this weekend.

We get to see how good iBP's new roster is in Europe and how well the new rosters of mousesports, fnatic and ESG fare at a LAN tournament after promising online results. We also find out whether dignitas can still perform after a long break, and if Titan have figured out what to change so they can return to the top.

A bunch of top teams have been on vacation to charge their batteries before ESL One, which opens the window to the underdogs. We know NiP and Virtus.pro have taken breaks, and some other teams still lack routine and experience playing together at tournaments after going through roster changes earlier in the summer.

I'm not sure if any team will bootcamp before G3, since everyone's full attention will be on ESL One. If teams are playing at, for example, 80% of their maximum level, it goes without saying that increases the chances for upsets to happen -- similar to what took place at ESEA Finals, only this time with many more top teams around.

Gfinity 3 will also be an easier event to play in for some of the underdogs - namely London Conspiracy and mousesports - as they will have less pressure on themselves than they would at a major. It could also mean more upsets in the massive groups, which are again played in best-of-one.

Finally, it's been over three months since as many top teams attended an event - Copenhagen Games - and by the time ESL One kicks off two weeks later, it won't be as exciting - though still very interesting, without a doubt - to see all the top teams battle it out again. What we don't know is more intriguing than what we do.


Do FeTiSh's dignitas still have it after their lengthy break? 


The format is more interesting

Although both tournaments possess best-of-one group stages, and ESL One's GSL style groups will arguably be less random than G3's round robin format, G3 should be more interesting to follow. We will see more teams face different opponents, giving us more intriguing match-ups. With four teams advancing from each group, results should matter until the very end -- which lessens one of the biggest disadvantages of the round robin format.

Each team will play against five teams, so whereas in the past some might have said certain teams were given unlucky draws or that another team scoring a flukey upset win helped a team advance, this time one or two upset wins should not be enough for most teams. Both groups have six teams, and four will advance -- you will need to score some wins to go through.

Sometimes it feels we're robbed of certain match-ups because of other results. Now at G3 we're going to truly see just how good iBUYPOWER are, because they're guaranteed to play against NiP, Epsilon and fnatic. Short of an eight team invitational tournament taking place in the future, you will never see that happening at another event.

G3 have still gone the traditional route with a single elimination best-of-three playoffs, which should guarantee us that the best team wins. This group format could result in some ugly three-way ties - which is why the GSL format is superior to it - but it's still a lot of fun for the spectators.


GSL format is superior, but G3's offers more good matches 


G3 has a better schedule for viewers

While ESL One Cologne will run on Thursday through Sunday, all of G3's action has been packed to just two days. As long as you're lucky enough to be able to focus on Counter-Strike for those two days, you're going to be in for a treat. G3 features eight of the world's twelve best teams, and you're going to see a ton of matches between them.

Due to having such a packed schedule, it also means you'll get almost non-stop action for the weekend. Instead of only playing a few matches a day, one at a time, you get to pick between three matches going on at the same time during the two group stages -- though you may miss out on some, it means you will never, ever get bored.

Playoffs will be staggered with two quarter-finals colliding - which is a shame - but that's the case with most tournaments anyway. What G3 have done differently is made sure the most boring phase of the tournament - the group stage - is also very interesting, and that makes the event as a whole much more intriguing, knowing it's great from the get go. Plus, you will only miss two quarter-finals -- semi-finals are not scheduled to overlap.

Last but not least, due to G3 being able to run its event until the evening, even North Americans will be able to watch. ESL One will be held at Gamescom - which closes its doors at 20:00 on Thu-Sat, and 18:00 on Sunday - which means the grand final is guaranteed to take place at an hour that will make it harder for the North Americans to tune in.


G3's schedule works out for North American viewers 


The map pool, and selection system, is better

G3 isn't community-funded, and therefore doesn't have to abide by Valve's rules. They removed the barely played de_train, and replaced it with de_cache, but never added de_cobblestone or de_overpass. Those maps aren't ready for serious competition, and pros seem to agree, which is why it's good they wont be played in London this weekend.

Look, fans want new maps, and Valve have done their best to enforce they'd be played in Cologne. The problem is the maps aren't ready for competitive play - we don't even know if anyone will play them - and the new map selection system they've forced ESL to implement simply makes the results far more random, as outlined in this article.

At G3 you know teams will not be playing maps they couldn't properly prepare for, for one reason or another, and a series won't come down to a random draw between the remaining maps. I don't know about you, but I'd rather let teams strategize their map selection process as well, instead of leaving it up to pure chance.


Map selection process won't involve randomness in London 


New fnatic, Epsilon, LC, mouz and ESG debut at G3

G3 is going to be the first event the new fnatic roster with Olof "olofmeister" Kajbjer and Freddy "KRIMZ" Johansson will compete at. They've had promising results online, and all the signs point towards this change being an upgrade. Now we finally get to see this roster in action, and find out whether Markus "pronax" Wallsten has figured a way for all these players to co-exist on the same team.

Epsilon already proved they are a team to watch out for when Richard "shox" Papillon's great performance in Valencia netted them a spot in the grand final and a win over HellRaisers. Now the squad has added promising player Joey "fxy0" Schlosser who should help shox's burden. Though Epsilon also qualified for ESL One, G3 will be the new roster's debut event.

A team not many expected to be able to compete with the big names prior to last weekend is London Conspiracy. After adding veteran player Preben "prb" Gammelsæter, the Norwegians bested k1ck in the opening round of the European ESL One Finals, and then survived a tough battle versus Natus Vincere to grab a spot in Cologne. If they can upset Na`Vi in a best-of-three series, they can be a serious threat in a best-of-one group stage.

Another team debuting in London is mousesports, who recently added Aleksi "allu" Jalli and since have been tearing their opposition apart in SLTV StarSeries X, while allu has climbed to fourth place in our player rankings. mouz would have to upset one of Titan, dignitas, Virtus.pro or ESG to advance, and while it's a tall task, it's possible if they can play like they have online.

Finally, the new version of ESG - one with Faruk "pita" Pita gone, and Marcus "Delpan" Larsson in - will make its debut at the Olympic Park. Mikail "Maikelele" Bill has been great in 2014 and has especially been in carry-mode in online play after DreamHack. His team could be the biggest winners in August in terms of jumping up the world rankings, and it's going to be exciting seeing them play on LAN.


olofm will have his LAN debut with fnatic this weekend 


iBUYPOWER is going to be at G3

This will make the North Americans happy. Obviously they are going to be at ESL One too - with compLexity also in attendance - but by then we'll already know whether they can now perform in Europe or not, which is going to remove half the fun of seeing them play. Plus, they will be fresh off a nearly two weeks long bootcamp in London.

If iBUYPOWER are as good as plenty of fans commenting on our July 2014 world ranking seem to believe, we should expect them to make top four in London without issues, seeing as three of the teams ranked above them won't even be present at Gfinity 3. Is Sam "DaZeD" Marine's team a lock for a semi-finals spot though? I doubt it.

There's a reasonable chance iBP shows up to play and makes the semi-finals, and in that case they've proven they're exactly as good as our ranking suggests. There's also a reasonable chance they get upset and falter in the quarter-finals, or surprise everyone by making the grand final. Either way, G3 will tell us how good they are.

By the time ESL One begins they will be in slightly better shape, but so will everyone else. In fact I would argue if iBUYPOWER were to make the top four at one of these two events, it's almost guaranteed to happen in London -- which makes Gfinity all the more exciting for those interested in following Braxton "swag" Pierce and company.

Torbull, Head of ESEA, and swag, iBuyPower star player

Can swag's iBP prevail in Europe, too? 


This is not to say you shouldn't be psyched for ESL One Cologne, but merely to point out that you shouldn't count out G3 simply because it has less prize money.

The major on August 14-17 will surely be the one to look back on once the month is all said and done, but for now, you should be getting excited for Gfinity 3.

Follow HLTV.org's @lurppis_ on Twitter.

Norway Preben 'prb' Gammelsæter
Preben 'prb' Gammelsæter
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.91
Maps played:
156
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
Bosnia and Herzegovina Faruk 'pita' Pita
Faruk 'pita' Pita
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
173
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.73
APR:
0.15
United States Sam 'DaZeD' Marine
Sam 'DaZeD' Marine
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
170
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.19
Sweden Mikail 'Maikelele' Bill
Mikail 'Maikelele' Bill
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
954
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.14
Sweden Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1329
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.13
Sweden Marcus 'Delpan' Larsson
Marcus 'Delpan' Larsson
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
154
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.12
Finland Aleksi 'allu' Jalli
Aleksi 'allu' Jalli
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
1391
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.11
Sweden Freddy 'KRIMZ' Johansson
Freddy 'KRIMZ' Johansson
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1377
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.15
France Richard 'shox' Papillon
Richard 'shox' Papillon
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
1573
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.12
Sweden Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.89
Maps played:
1199
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
France Joey 'fxy0' Schlosser
Joey 'fxy0' Schlosser
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.17
Maps played:
186
KPR:
0.80
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.11
United States Braxton 'swag' Pierce
Braxton 'swag' Pierce
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
525
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.14
nope, denied
2014-07-28 18:15
+1
2014-07-28 19:14
I wish I could 'like' this n1 nerds can fuck off
2014-07-29 07:08
fu dud
2014-07-28 18:15
#3
Estonia Tauri 
Good
2014-07-28 18:15
n1
2014-07-28 18:15
where in the hell is viewers guide? there was few seconds ago
2014-07-28 18:16
didn't mean to release it yet, we're releasing it later on in the week as usual to make sure it doesn't get buried under other posts
2014-07-29 06:51
ok :)
2014-07-29 09:32
#182
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Venezuela cubek 
Don't like that exclusive comment "North American viewers". There are a lot of South/Central American viewers tunning in every single event.
2014-07-31 01:34
good point, for some reason i keep thinking you guys play other counter-strike versions down south. my mistake!
2014-07-31 06:27
n1
2014-07-28 18:18
#7
Sweden binz 
niceee
2014-07-28 18:17
n1
2014-07-28 18:18
Word "SWAG" comes from the Hollywood 60th with the meaning "Secretly we are gays"
2014-07-28 18:20
new to the internet?
2014-07-28 18:36
Just letting know newschoolers it's not something to be proud of shouting every second.
2014-07-28 18:46
it comes from there yea, but now its meaning is "your style"
2014-07-28 20:30
It also means you are under 18 years of age, as men have class, not swag.
2014-07-29 09:40
:D
2014-07-29 14:58
swag
2014-07-28 23:25
#143
smn | 
China HLTVMASTR 
I can't believe how stupid you are... kaeva veel auke endale
2014-07-29 07:01
Some estonian retard hiding his name while tryinhard to reach me
2014-07-29 15:01
#28
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Europe midi 
Cool beans.
2014-07-28 18:41
What a crock of shit. The word first appeared in the English language as a verb in the 15th Century. With it's origin probably coming from a Scandinavian root, it meant simply "to move heavily or unsteadily from side to side; to sway" The loot sense of the word derives from the "sway" as well as the "hang heavily" meanings. The original sense was probably a bundle of stolen goods borne away by a thief or burglar, the term later coming to encompass any sort of ill-gotten goods. That's why you see it plastered all over 1920s-1940s movies on bank robbers' bags who dressed in the typical white and black striped tops.
2014-07-28 19:06
Madlife.I should care much posting a shitty joke and making somebody proud of himself due to his knowledge the history of some retarded word. ;)
2014-07-28 22:27
Where does my comment portray anger haha, 15 much? It was just a random piece of information floating around my head, calm your passions.
2014-07-28 23:15
+3
2014-07-29 00:08
+4 :)
2014-07-29 05:26
you took me down son.
2014-07-29 15:03
its from scottish, "swagger"
2014-07-28 20:42
How did I know this was a lurppis article before I saw the author?
2014-07-28 18:21
#14
 | 
France Kairos1g 
Because it's complete and nicely done?
2014-07-28 18:23
#15
Sweden kMh- 
+1
2014-07-28 18:24
Maybe cause it's blatantly obvious from the title alone :)
2014-07-28 21:52
Yeah, I will say that while the title is classic lurppis, he was a lot more balanced than he usually is in these articles.
2014-07-28 23:12
Lol I knew it as well. But I like Lurppis's articles. Edit: Is it Lurppis's or Lurppis'
2014-07-29 04:31
Lurppis'
2014-07-29 07:33
I think they're entertaining.
2014-07-29 07:59
I typically don't pay attention to the author when I start reading, but I can usually tell when he wrote it because of how blunt the writing is. Ahaha I love it.
2014-07-29 09:43
Couldn't think of the right word but blunt is a perfect description.
2014-07-29 16:07
just no
2014-07-28 18:22
"GSL format is superior(...) " For me, it's absolutely WRONG !
2014-07-28 18:23
in counterstrike , it is because map are not balance
2014-07-28 19:13
makes shit less interesting I agree
2014-07-28 23:31
n1, is col going with shroud? that'd be interesting to see too
2014-07-28 18:27
Not to G3 they aren't.
2014-07-28 18:33
aww
2014-07-29 11:29
Where can I get more information about this G3 event? Attending teams, schedule, casters, groups, bracket and so on? Tried to google but found nothing useful. I just find bits and pieces of information here and there with no sources in the articles. I don't understand why an event like this doesn't have its own website with clearly stated information about the event. Closest I could find was: gfinity.net/counter-strike/tournaments With no information at all.
2014-07-28 18:34
HLTV news archive :) And I'm not sure if the schedule has been released yet?
2014-07-28 18:33
search for "g3" at hltv.org - as usual, our site has all the answers :)
2014-07-29 06:52
and ESWC Qualifier
2014-07-28 18:30
It's no lie that Valve funded tournaments aren't that great.
2014-07-28 18:32
#32
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Poland kRAMERO 
ems katowice was great so dont know where u get such info.
2014-07-28 18:45
u only say that bcus virtus won
2014-07-28 19:06
#52
HEN1 | 
Poland maxiu 
this xD but true katowice was great for me a lot happened there
2014-07-28 19:13
#76
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Poland kRAMERO 
its the main factor
2014-07-28 20:12
And because they deserved it. It was a good tournament.
2014-07-28 21:19
de_overpass, de_cobblestone More than enough info to draw that conclusion.
2014-07-29 09:44
#169
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Poland kRAMERO 
overpass and cbble wasnt played in katowice
2014-07-29 16:33
Thanks for that, I'm aware... But we are referring to ESL One Cologne...
2014-07-30 08:53
participating teams?
2014-07-28 18:33
"GSL format is superior..." by lurppis-the-guy-who-created-it
2014-07-28 18:34
He didn't create 'GSL format'.
2014-07-28 19:16
He didn't create it, true. But he was the one who had the ideia to bring it to CSGO back in 2012.
2014-07-28 20:05
He did? I thought GSL were the ones who created it.
2014-07-28 19:56
He didn't create it, true. But he was the one who had the ideia to bring it to CSGO back in 2012.
2014-07-28 20:05
if i didn't think it was superior, why would i have tried to bring it over to cs?
2014-07-29 06:53
#27
Brazil dkf 
nope, nice try though
2014-07-28 18:39
#29
ayaya | 
Ireland skend 
i dont think anyone is 'more excited' by G3. though it definitely will be interesting to see how the teams with new lineups get on
2014-07-28 18:42
really lurppis, nice work but NO
2014-07-28 18:43
lurppis pls
2014-07-28 18:47
#35
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Hong Kong Sample_ 
I see only at least 2 reasons why esl cologne sucks: mappool, retarded groupstage system without losers bracket
2014-07-28 18:48
Thanks Valve.
2014-07-30 08:56
assembly > esl & g3
2014-07-28 18:50
NO.
2014-07-28 18:59
only blind fanboys can say that he's not right
2014-07-28 18:55
nice read
2014-07-28 18:56
8/8 would watch
2014-07-28 18:57
2014-07-28 18:59
#53
HEN1 | 
Poland maxiu 
this !!! thank you !!
2014-07-28 19:13
thanks! HLTV should link to this stuff
2014-07-28 23:07
Well written article .
2014-07-28 19:06
dhw and katowice great, colougne not, because valve fucking things up in cs again..
2014-07-28 19:07
#47
method | 
United States f0xes` 
nice writeup but a bit biased in some areas -.-
2014-07-28 19:08
This is a lot less biased than lurppis usually is when he's talking about how he thinks one thing is better than the other.
2014-07-28 23:12
call me stupid, this is also a big chance for betting.
2014-07-28 19:09
The fact that there is single elimination at EMS One makes it so boring somehow..I HATE it. Double elimination is the best! All bo3. Hell yeah.
2014-07-28 19:10
Cant wait for G3, thx for great article lurppis :)
2014-07-28 19:11
I dont agree lurppis. bad article
2014-07-28 19:14
Yes, I disagree too, and that's why you suck at articles, lurppis.
2014-07-28 19:31
u m8 shrekted him, ma boi
2014-07-28 19:52
n1
2014-07-28 23:26
When is assembly?
2014-07-28 19:18
G3 is going to be an amazing event, no doubt. But to be honest it just seems like lurppis is so salty and mad about the format/maps at ESL that he is doing everything he can to try and make Valve realise that they messed up. And with this article lurppis' fight against the devs has reached a low point, in my opinion.
2014-07-28 19:20
possebility but still very random
2014-07-28 20:15
+1
2014-07-28 22:22
+1
2014-07-29 03:52
i'm not salty at all, i think valve and esl made some bad choices but i've voiced my opinion and i'm fine with it. i just wanted to brought out reasons why people shouldn't quickly dismiss g3 simply because esl one is around the corner.
2014-07-29 06:56
nobody here will be dismissing it, all those kdis care bout is csgolounge and skins they can bet ,'D the more the better, most of them doesnt even watch the games
2014-07-29 09:41
Good article but a poor choice of a title.
2014-07-28 19:22
hope 4 dreamteam
2014-07-28 19:23
Great article.
2014-07-28 19:26
i SO hope that cbbl and overpass will be played in the final of ESL just to shut all you people up. also the rest of it, apart from the group crap that more teams will play each other, there is no reason for me to think that this one is going to be in any way more interesting than cologne.
2014-07-28 19:27
#65
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
and dat team will beat nip on these maps
2014-07-28 19:38
trust me they're preparing the basics for each of those maps. If another team does prepare more for overpass like nip does, nip still should be able due to their great team and players.
2014-07-28 20:14
i hope you realize that the more those maps get played, the more whining you will hear about. you should hope they don't get played at all if you want us to "shut up" -- though it still wouldn't work, i think.
2014-07-29 06:57
I think that we will have 2 awesome tournaments. The matches might be a bit more interesting at G3 cuz of the new lineups and such but the production from ESL is always top-noth.
2014-07-28 19:30
completely agree
2014-07-28 19:40
Jesus, ESL One will still use BO1 group stages? Oh my god.
2014-07-28 19:47
IM SO EXCITE!!!!!
2014-07-28 19:51
but you just can't hide
2014-07-28 20:03
lurpass is jelly because thanks to his ginger friend esl don't want to invite them
2014-07-28 20:07
g3 didn't hire me either, so why would i be biased towards them? :)
2014-07-29 06:57
2 bo1's and out of the tournament is terrible for a major tournament, but I like how the matches in the GSL groups become increasingly important. Round robin, the last few matches may not matter at all.
2014-07-28 20:08
For CS, the GSL format would be superior only with bo3 instead of bo1. Especially for a major, where at the moment 50% of the teams leaves the tournament after playing only 2-3 maps, which is ridiculous for a MAJOR TOURNAMENT.
2014-07-28 20:17
#82
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Hong Kong Sample_ 
Too bad that valve willnt change anything until they make their own "research" about tournament format
2014-07-28 20:26
esl much better
2014-07-28 20:18
Enforcing new maps to be played will lower the skill ceiling for two obvious reasons 1. Cbblestone and overpass MIGHT not be fitting for competetive play 2. Most teams wont have enough time to play them enough. Adding to the latter one, newer teams and teams with lineup changes will look to fit in their new players on maps they are already familiar with e.g not the new ones. The veto system could work out just fine if they didnt add two random new maps, and thats the only reason why they added this new veto system. And last but not least, when did it ever benefit the skillceiling/viewingpleasure when outsiders tried to enforce certain untested new stuff? CGS was a massive succes, oh wait :D?!
2014-07-28 20:54
im not saying that you are wrong or something,i respect your opinion and i agree with something but i have to say that im pretty exciting about new maps as an spectator.i mean we are watching same maps over and over again since 1.5 times and im rly looking forward this. yes i agree that 1 month isnt enough to practise these maps to perfection but atleast we will see how teams are able to adapt and how good their teamplay and improvization actually is. and in my honest opinion: "Adding to the latter one, newer teams and teams with lineup changes will look to fit in their new players on maps they are already familiar with e.g not the new ones. " isnt argument for not adding new maps because there were,are and always will be changes in teams
2014-07-28 21:33
Improv cant really happen if you dont know the map well enough :D Dont get me wrong, lets get more great maps. But the way its done is beyond retarded. Yeah teams will always swap players, but with the current timeframe I think its a valid arguement to make.
2014-07-28 22:03
Well, I respect your opinion aswell. Just saying that cbble is old map and it has always been the worst of all maps to watch. Why? It was so heavily ct-sided. I dont think this new cobblestone really improved on the old one. It will probably be heavily t-sided now. Its not like cs-god decided one day that we are only going to play classic maps. It was years and years of experience of players/viewer that diminished the map-pool to what it was at end of 1.6. Similarly, Cbble/Overpass would made it to the scene if they are viable maps. With force, its only going to be fun for viewers at the first time.
2014-07-29 08:45
Why? It was so heavily ct-sided and for example this isnt argument for me if the map is good or bad(take in mind that im talking from spectators position). as far as i know train was the most unbalanced map in 1.6 and for me it was the most spectacular map to watch and i can say that i pretty liked cbble back in the days aswell.a lot of great actions from that map:)
2014-07-29 15:10
I hadn't heard of CGS, so I looked them up. "it had expanded to every continent except Antarctica for Season Two before being abruptly discontinued." Clearly they failed because they couldn't penetrate that antarctica market. :P
2014-07-28 23:16
CGS was a TV run competetion but they enforced retarded rules to fit the game for TV (in their minds). Mr9 16k startmoney roundtime 1min or something like that. They essentially limited the competetion in so many ways to fit it for tv. People just rushed around like headless chickens :D
2014-07-29 11:32
im not saying here that i know something about that case but i guess that they had strict rules from tv company and they(tv company) just wanted a lot of actions in short while so thats why these retarded rules. i know that for people who follow competetive cs for long time(or play it like you) its retarded but keep in mind that it was probably made for mostly new audience who know nothing about that and i guess that almost everyone would switch tv channel after 2 rounds of normal cs like we know it in my opinion ofc...:)
2014-07-29 15:16
Yeah its very much alike those. cba to actually find them but they where beyond retarded :D
2014-07-30 02:00
The whole point is that those rules made perfect sense for players and viewers
2014-07-30 20:41
thats what i said in my post(167)
2014-07-31 04:22
to say that will 'lower the skill ceiling' makes no sense whatsoever. good players can adapt, good teams can exhibit teammwork whether they've played the map 2 times or 200 times. i can understand that these maps seem to be somewhat unrefined and have not really been 'tested' much by the community, but we've got to open ourselves up to change. cant play nuke/d2/inferno/mirage/cache forever... if anything, this makes the tournament quite interesting and the real stars will rise to the occasion and shine btw the current competitive climate couldn't be more different than CGS era. not sure how that comparison was relevant at all.
2014-07-31 23:49
" good teams can exhibit teammwork whether they've played the map 2 times or 200 times." I dont even know how you can say that and expect anyone to agree with that? Sure you can show some skills in that regard, cuz yeah your a pro you know how to call out for a flash. But do you know all the "instant" flashes, smoke spots, peeking corners etc? You couldnt be more wrong. The CGS part was only to show how the game always suffers when "outsiders" try to enforce rules.
2014-08-01 11:29
and you need to know ALL the 'instant' flashes, smoke spots, peeking corners, in order to even play the map? the scene is moving forward, get over it. players with talent will still manage to outplay opponents. the tournament has a giant prize pot, the least you could do is practice a few new maps and stop bitching
2014-08-01 15:59
"His team (ESG) could be the biggest winners in August in terms of jumping up the world rankings..." Since daT upset them, and they had to face Navi for a spot at ESL, they will have to prove themselfs at G3, no second chances. If they don't, and other teams (LC, Vox, CPHW) do well in any tournament, they may also tumble out of the top.
2014-07-28 20:24
they may also qualify for sltv starseries x finals later this month
2014-07-29 07:00
Alright, 1 second chance :D
2014-07-30 18:11
from kennigit on reddit: Rather than doing a hype article about what a great event G3 will be and why you should watch it, it's presented as a A vs B....both events will be great, but i guess that type of headline doesn't serve the agenda. I don't like the title you choosed. Everyone is hyped and you bring it down a notch.
2014-07-28 20:35
I find it perfectly fitting. What if ESL ends up being decided by pure luck of map draws? Its really just super retarded :D
2014-07-28 20:56
do you know of any pro teams pracing the new maps? is it expected you will both veto overpass and cbble first to avoid randomness? Pros have an opportunity to stand up to valve here, I feel some might not take it in a chance for a cheap win. (I understand saying it's a cheap win isn't fair)
2014-07-29 02:51
im aware of at least 4 teams attending Cologne that are playing the new maps.
2014-07-29 03:48
nip, vp, ibp, ?
2014-07-29 04:38
LDLC
2014-07-29 12:49
I dont know, but we will play them - kinda forced to right :D?
2014-07-29 11:29
gentlemans agreement, veto those 2 maps first?
2014-07-29 12:38
Big +1
2014-07-28 23:37
it's not interesting to point out the obvious, and the only way i could argue for these points is to compare it to an event - and that's esl one.
2014-07-29 07:00
kennigit on reddit also happens to be someone who has a fairly high level job at ESL. funny that he doesn't agree, isn't it?
2014-07-30 18:21
cant agree more
2014-07-28 20:37
Lurppis going full retard again
2014-07-28 20:53
lol
2014-07-28 22:42
Also G3 imo ends up being better than Dreamhack Summer in a lot of ways as well.
2014-07-28 20:58
go back to starcraft noob Kappa <3
2014-07-28 22:42
Make volvo understand lurp.
2014-07-28 21:24
inb4 5h delays, laggy streams, only 1 good caster.. ESL production value > your article
2014-07-28 21:24
i hardly ever watch streams with sounds so their production value makes no difference to me... katowice was still delayed as well.
2014-07-29 07:02
i mean ESL has interviews with players almost after every game, they bring in players to cast matches, map analysis and replays after every game, the overall quality of the stream will be SOOO much better and you can't deny that. Yes ofcourse the map pool isn't the best one and the format also, but we can't really do anything about it.. From viewers point i wanna see all that, not to look at some random picture on stream after the game has ended and just showing the time left until next game, which is always the case in these kinda tournaments! ESL fills those break times between the games so well with those little things i mentioned above, but it makes the tournament look like it actually is a major one and it is. I guess you don't care about all that and don't have time for that - too busy writing articles! =DD So what that iBP will be there? They will be at Cologne with coL aswell, so that's even better! This is gonna be more like a warmup tournament for teams to make their last adjustments and fix their sh*t before the real deal in Cologne.
2014-07-29 17:46
'ESL production value > your article' i think this article is somewhat pointless also, but the statement you made is retarded...were you seriously comparing two completely unrelated things to try to be funny or are you just dumb
2014-07-31 23:44
just dumb man! just dumb..
2014-08-01 00:50
Hope this event makes the UK proud.
2014-07-28 21:26
this format + map pool is 10000 times better than ESL so atleast in that way it will be more interesting to watch G3 :PPPP
2014-07-28 21:36
The less lurppis, the better tournament
2014-07-28 21:38
then you must love g3 - another argument to support my case - seeing as i will be busy with another tournament at the same time.
2014-07-29 07:02
Actually both tournaments are going to awesome for the same reason
2014-07-29 20:27
Gfinity will be interesting to watch how some teams preform and how dignitas will do will be interesting to see iBP i dunno still feel they wont preform well in EU but i might be wrong
2014-07-28 21:51
+1
2014-07-28 22:18
Even though i might agree with some points, yet Lurppis wrote this article just to piss off valve for two obvious reasons: Thoorin not being able to attend the next event due to a ban for insulting poland. Lurppis wanting more attention from valve. ___ Valve think they built the international that means they can build something similar in counter strike which is basically stupid because these two communities are both so different. And you can't treat an FPS-viewership/community like you treat an MOBA one.
2014-07-28 22:26
Thorin is irrelevant lol
2014-07-28 23:38
Lurppis and thoorin are really good friends.
2014-07-28 23:46
i don't expect valve to read this article. it's there to tell you why you should be psyched about g3, nothing else.
2014-07-29 07:03
Cheering for iBP, lezzz go
2014-07-28 22:39
"eight team invitational tournament", reference to which tournie?
2014-07-28 23:02
an imaginary one
2014-07-29 07:03
cry more luppris
2014-07-28 23:19
As much as i agree with some points, i still have to stand by the benefits of having a developer supporting its game in a eSports capacity, even if it does mean we have to embrace some new maps. I have seen far too many games with fantastic potential never reaching the platform Valve is pushing CSGO towards. I ofc do have a biased opinion but then again i also agree to a lot of the points made especially about the format but hey ho. I am pretty sure every event would establish the changes ESL have made if they were partnered with Valve for a tournament, however im glad that there is enough variety for structure by there not being a controlling body like we see other games adopt.
2014-07-28 23:34
+1000
2014-07-29 00:36
Lurppis the Rebel
2014-07-29 00:38
New maps, and Dignitas & Nip just had a break before two big events? Logic. Atleast Nip has not whined about it.
2014-07-29 02:05
As soon as i read the title i knew it was lurpiss...
2014-07-29 02:37
This short article will quickly explain[...] I wonder how many fell for it ::) As far as for the events, I honestly never cared that much about prize comparisons but the (after event) sensation of having watched some good CS (and translate it to some enthusiastic CS play afterwards). There hasn't been the actual need for most of the top teams attending either as sometimes names promised more than what they actually showed.
2014-07-29 02:46
-iwnl- leggo Brax!
2014-07-29 03:33
that title seems unnecessary
2014-07-29 08:12
lurppis is good writer
2014-07-29 17:58
Must admit, that's probably the most pointless article I've ever read.
2014-07-29 17:59
+1 my thoughts exactly
2014-07-31 23:41
#191
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United Kingdom MattjA 
ESL will always be the tournament on top.
2014-08-02 10:18
G3 is 1 hour behind with only 1 stream up and it is a russian stream. Why G3 is shit so far compared to ESL-One Cologne
2014-08-02 10:47
This, you beat me to it but really, a tournament needs an official stream, i would'nt mind if the prize pool was a bit small and they spent a bit on decent stream or even hiring one.
2014-08-02 10:49
Audio was off. Static on English stream. All of the best games are on the russian stream. lurppis made a great fucking article here.
2014-08-02 11:16
#194
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World idz 
G3 is better? lol what a joke
2014-08-02 11:14
So far G3 is a bad joke, no stream, not even a scorebot for important games and we get to see some shitty uk teams playing. I think iron gaming was better than g3.
2014-08-02 12:18
joke -.-
2014-08-02 12:21
just delete this lurppis
2014-08-02 12:22
G3 TRUMPS ESL One Cologne Best joke ever
2014-08-02 12:22
New article Why India gaming carnival is better then g3
2014-08-02 12:25
Good joke, you got me.
2014-08-02 12:25
Lurpis make some change to this plz. The people(absolute dumb**ses) at G3 don't deserve the praise you gave them here. on a side note: i was up all night to watch ibp vs fnatic, no gotv ip, nothing.
2014-08-02 12:26
lurppis confirmed idiot
2014-08-02 12:26
pls post an official correction of this article...
2014-08-02 12:40
LURPPIS BRAINLESS FOOL..
2014-08-02 12:47
Nice troll.
2014-08-02 12:47
well hltv just forgot to add #kappa at the end of article ?
2014-08-02 12:56
Great story lurrpis , im so excited now i cant watch good matches in english , great story bro...
2014-08-02 13:43
well said well said
2014-08-02 13:51
:)
2014-08-02 14:52
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