What we learned from Gfinity 3

Arguably 2014's event with the most storylines heading into it, Gfinity 3, is now over and we take a look at what we learned from all of the action in London.

I wrote an article titled Why G3 trumps ESL One Cologne a week or so ago, and in it outlined some of the most interesting storylines that we're looking to figure out at Gfinity 3.

While some answers remain unclear, we've also learned a ton about the current state of the professional CS:GO scene. In turn, that will make ESL One Cologne all the more exciting.

Let's look at the ten most important lessons we took home from two days packed with action at Gfinity 3, which was ultimately won by Virtus.pro over Titan in the grand final.


What did we learn from Gfinity 3?

 

Sum up of LC, mouz, Epsilon & Heat

Going into Gfinity 3 nearly everyone agreed these four would be the teams battling for the final playoff spots in the stacked groups of the event. They did not disappoint, though group A wound up being so close that a must-win for London Conspiracy actually skyrocketed them all the way to a second place, ahead of both iBUYPOWER and NiP, as well as Epsilon, who were wrongly knocked out of the tournament.

While Epsilon being wronged has garnered reasonable media attention, almost no one has spoken about Heat. Mikail "Maikelele" Bill's team ESG attended G3 under the banners of Heat eSports, and did just what was expected of them - put up some good fights versus the stronger teams, and beat both mousesports and FM - but were still knocked out. G3 messed up here -- you can't make a case against it. They used the wrong rules, and it knocked both Epsilon and Heat out, while saving NiP and mousesports.

London Conspiracy looked the best out of all these four teams. They beat Epsilon, iBUYPOWER and Infused, while also putting up a fight with NiP. They also took a map off of Virtus.pro in the quarter-finals. Though Håvard "rain" Nygaard cooled down on day two, he had a strong event and is going to be one of the players to look out for in Cologne as LC look to get out of the group stage once again, against all odds. Since Preben "prb" Gammelsæter joined the team has only improved, and they are a solid top fifteen squad now.

mousesports are not as good as a team, but they have a much better top player in Aleksi "allu" Jalli. A huge part of their issues are surely the language barriers in the team, and those will get better over time. Before, we expected allu to be flanked by Chris "chrisJ" de Jong on the scoreboard, but the Dutchman was a huge disappointment in London, finishing with team and career-low 0.77 rating for a LAN tournament. Nevertheless, taking fnatic to overtime on the third map means they, much like LC, are also a top fifteen team.

Epsilon are the one who showed the most promise. Joey "fxy0" Schlosser proved he is indeed a great sniper even on LAN - finishing with sixth highest rating of 1.24 and a 0.89 KPR - while helping his team overcome NiP in the opening round. Key mistakes in LC and iBUYPOWER games cost them a spot in the playoffs - though they should have been in regardless, if not for G3 admins' mess-up - but they showed a lot more promise than before. Add in the fact Richard "shox" Papillon was visibly ill, and had one of the worst showings of his career, and it's clear Epsilon will be dangerous in Cologne.

Finally we have Maikelele's Heat. They were somewhat boring in the sense that only the star player Maikelele had a good showing individually, and they did exactly what was expected of them. It doesn't yet seem like they are truly ready to compete with the top eight teams, not even with Marcus "Delpan" Larsson on the team, but they now have three-plus weeks of preparation for SLTV StarSeries X Finals, where things may be different. Good team, but not a contender.

Epsilon having a good time

Epsilon weren't this happy after being wrongly eliminated 

 

New fnatic is good, but not great

This fnatic roster is already doing better than the previous one ever did in 2014. A 3-4th place finish is solid, though it comes at an event that fnatic seemed better prepared for than most, and their players certainly had to be more motivated for than the average top team. Due to G3 being the roster's debut, there was added pressure. They lived up to it, but the going will only get tougher in the future.

fnatic finished group A with wins over NiP, London Conspiracy, Infused and Epsilon while surrendering a tie against iBUYPOWER. That's a good record. In the playoffs they struggled too much with mousesports - going into overtime on the third map before allu's team ran out of steam - and were then knocked out by Titan, a team that has always been kryptonite for Markus "pronax" Wallsten's troops.

The Swedes had changed some things around, but in general it was clear we saw another pronax team on the server. That is both good, and bad. It's good because he is one of the better leaders in the game and a group of players led by him, versus not, will almost always be better. At the same time it's bad because that means they haven't changed enough to be surprising in any way -- everyone knows just how they play.

fnatic's win at DreamHack Winter last year was largely accounted to no one being accustomed to their playing style. If you ask almost any team in attendance in Jönköping last November, they will tell you fnatic became easy to counter once you knew they were going to play that aggressive style. Now they have more skill - which will make it work better - but it's still stoppable, as seen in the Titan series.

Olof "olofmeister" Kajbjer struggled at G3 individually, and looking at his stats page, you can tell he hasn't adjusted well to playing in fnatic's system. After averaging close to 0.80 kills per round and 1.12 in rating, he has yet to go above 0.70 for an event in fnatic, and he's had a sub-1.02 rating in every online tournament, and now at G3, since joining the Black and Orange. If pronax can get him more involved, fnatic will become more dangerous. For now, they're a marginally upgraded version of the previous team.


fnatic are headed towards the right direction 

Poor organizing still happens in 2014

Though I stand by my opinion in my article comparing G3 to ESL One for spectators - the arguments still hold true, though execution in running of the event ruined some of it - it's clear the people in charge of G3 made multiple major mistakes of the magnitude that should not be happening in 2014. Luckily the event as a whole wound up being a success, and most of these issues will be forgotten in a week, but we must make sure this doesn't get repeated.

G3 greedily wanted streamers to pay for rights to do so, but not enough of them did so, which led to some games not being broadcasted at all. Luckily they didn't go through with it in the end though. Once contacted by HLTV.org to get at least public GOTVs added, the organizers simply stated we can't do so, as it would take away viewers from their official stream - even though we were talking about different games. I understand it's a business, but this kind of greed serves no one.

We missed games such as Epsilon's upset win over NiP - which no demo, VOD or anything else exists for - and iBUYPOWER's tie against fnatic. Instead we were forcefed lopsided games featuring weak UK teams. It's unacceptable, and can not fly in the future. There were also major issues with the PCs USB ports - leading to tons of delays - that probably should have been taken care of a day or two before the action was set to begin.

Other problems included random lagouts for some seconds that affected rounds' outcomes in multiple games, and the water dripping down on players from the ceiling,IEM Global Challenge New York-style. However, none played a bigger factor in how the event itself played out - the tournament integrity - and were easier to fix than the tiebreaker in the group stage.

Finally, we also can't forget that the organizers kicked out a majority of the paying customers - their spectators - during the grand final. Plenty of people had bought the expensive tickets to watch some of the world's best players play - and all of them probably would have wanted to see the grand final - but G3 decided they couldn't stay, as the venue was past its closing hour. At the very least those poor folks should be refunded, but I doubt it will happen.

It's down right appalling that the organizers of G3 failed to use the correct tiebreaker method in a round robin group stage. In Counter-Strike, when two teams are tied, the tiebreaker has always been head-to-head. That is because maps vary in games, and starting on the easier side will help your round difference. Both groups saw wrong teams advance due to G3's idiocy, and that truly is one of the worst things to happen in professional CS:GO up until 2014.


The organizers of G3 messed up big time in multiple areas

 

iBUYPOWER blew their best chance

It's unclear what the players themselves expected exactly, but in our AMA with the team, it seemed Joshua "steel" Nissan and company believed they'd have a solid chance at making the semi-finals. Instead they lost in the quarter-finals, which seems like a fair assessment of their current form. iBUYPOWER are a top team - in the region of the eight best or so - but not exactly a contender - not yet anyway. In addition, they struggled mightily in close games.

iBUYPOWER now get to bootcamp in London for the next ten days to get ready for ESL One Cologne and to better adjust to the playing styles of the European teams. That should increase their level of play significantly, though in comparison to the teams they will be going toe-to-toe with at ESL One, it's unclear how much of an impact this bootcamp will have. Their opponents will also bootcamp, and I'd argue iBP were the better prepared team this time around, aside from Titan.

While most European teams - excluding Titan, and teams who won't be at ESL One, such as mouz and Heat - weren't properly prepared, having just come off of vacations, iBUYPOWER had certainly put in whatever effort possible before this event. The stakes were higher for them, and although the preparation they can get in North America doesn't compare to their practice in London in the next ten days, adjusting for their opponents, they were probably still better off here.

Teams such as NiP, Virtus.pro and dignitas attended G3 after breaks from the game and without a bootcamp. Not only will they put in maximum effort for ESL One, but so will teams such as Natus Vincere, HellRaisers and LDLC. The competition will only get tougher from here on out, so I would actually make the case that if iBUYPOWER were going to make the semi-finals during their trip to Europe, it would have happened in London. In Cologne they aren't favored to even advance from their tough group.

With that being said, it's entirely possible Sam "DaZeD" Marine gets his team going in the next weeks, they overcome whatever issues they had in closing out games in London, and have a little bit of luck on their side in the best-of-one battles potentially versus fnatic - who finished 3-4th at G3 - and Virtus.pro, the champions. Odds are currently against iBUYPOWER, who also may have to face dAT in group C, but they are within an arm's reach, and maybe even closer. The window remains open, though pressure is building.


iBUYPOWER did what was expected at G3; no more 

 

allu broke through as a star

Though mousesports as a whole were underwhelming on an individual level - especially true for chrisJ who was appalling - they had a clear breakout performance from allu, who carried his team to a 5-8th place finish, and damn near over fnatic in the quarter-finals. His 35/5/27 statline in the overtime loss proved he was by far the best player on the server, but reminds everyone that Counter-Strike is a team game. You win as a team, and you lose as a team.

allu had a great run overall, averaging out to 1.29 rating - which would be good for number two in the world over a career - and finishing the tournament with a 0.90 KPR and a kill-death difference of +53. Most importantly, his rating was a ridiculous 0.30 better than his next teammate's. That's the kind of carrying that would have gone down in the history books had mouz won the overtime versus fnatic and clinched a semi-final spot.

For comparison, a 0.30-difference is more than the difference between Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg and Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson. Only one player in mousesports - aside from allu - had a rating even close to or better than their career average, and that was Nikola "LEGIJA" Ninić who topped his career rating of 0.98 by 0.01. In other words, allu is the only reason mousesports beat Virtus.pro, put up a fight versus dignitas, advanced to the playoffs and nearly knocked fnatic out of G3. Not too bad for a debut performance.


allu had a great performance in London 

 

Virtus.pro and dignitas still got it

Most people expected these two juggernauts to be good, and even I predicted them both to finish in the top three of group B, but it's still nice to get confirmation that after some time off - in dignitas' case - and some lackluster results - for the Polish side - they can still compete for top placings amidst the world's best teams. Let's look at the runs of both of these teams individually below, starting with the lower placing of them, the Danes of dignitas.

dignitas came into G3 as a huge question mark, not having played an official match since the end of June, not having attended an international event since mid-April, and having only played twenty-or-so matches with Philip "aizy" Aistrup on the roster. To make it worse, they'd been on a lengthy vacation from the game. It was impossible to know whether the team who'd just placed 3-4th at the last two big tournaments, including the previous major, would show up or if this dignitas team would regress slightly.

In reality dignitas looked near impossible to beat until the final two maps - their only losses in the entire event - put them out. They gave single digits of rounds to Titan, Virtus.pro and ESG in their wins, and had a dominant first half versus mousesports in a close game. They wrecked their long-term nightmare match-up NiP, only losing fifteen rounds in two maps, and gave Virtus.pro seven rounds on the harder, defensive side of de_dust2 in the semi-finals.

If this dignitas team truly wasn't playing at 100% of their capabilities, then we're in for a treat in Cologne. All of a sudden they no longer have any match-up they can't overcome, which opens up a huge possibility for dignitas to make a deep playoff run. They're one of the most consistent teams around and have lots of individual skill, and seem stronger than they were at their last two semi-final exits with René "cajunb" Borg on the team. Future looks bright for Denmark's finest.

As for Virtus.pro, this win came at a good time. Supposedly they reverted back to Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas leading the squad, and although Filip "NEO" Kubski still struggled individually, the rest of the team did great. Paweł "byali" Bieliński had a 26/11 performance for a 1.80 rating in the grand final, TaZ returned to his career averages, and Jarosław "pashaBiceps" Jarząbkowski finally played at the consistent all-star level we grew accustomed to earlier in the year.

For Virtus it seems a different player peaks in every different match, but this time a new player emerged as their top dog at this particular event. Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski had a great showing, finishing with a 1.24 rating and a 0.80 KPR, while having a dominant performance in the semi-final against dignitas. The Poles messed up a lead versus Titan, lost a game versus mouz and dropped the first map to LC, but every time they replied and stood on the highest podium on Sunday night.

That was all on very little preparation - they only started practicing a week before the event. Virtus did not bootcamp before G3, nor was it a huge priority for them. It all shifts to fifth gear now as the Poles set up their bootcamp in hopes of defending their championship from EMS One Katowice on August 14-17. Virtus are likely favorites heading into ESL One - seeing as NiP failed so miserably - and it must feel great. Now let's see if they become the clear number one in the world in Cologne.


Virtus.pro are back on top 

 

Titan return as a contender

They are back. For now it's impossible to know whether it's because they were the only team to bootcamp - to our knowledge - before G3, or if it's long term change, but it doesn't matter. Titan have always been capable of beating everyone, except NiP, and now they've done both. Beating NiP online last fall opened the flood gates to VeryGames becoming number one in the world, and it may well do it again in two weeks.

The French-Belgians had a rough start to G3 and must have been doubting themselves as they were facing a 1-2 start in group A, following a lopsided loss to dignitas and an easy win versus FM, as they were trailing Virtus.pro 11-15 on de_mirage. They forced a tie from the match, and went on to beat both mousesports and ESG to advance to the playoffs. 

In the playoffs Titan overcame a 7-14 deficit against iBUYPOWER on de_dust2 - showing mental strength, again - and went on to win the series with a convincing 16-8 win on de_inferno. Semi-finals saw them beat fnatic 2-1, in an up-and-down series, but pull through in the end nonetheless. Only in the grand final did they find themselves outmatched, but Virtus was on a roll then that wasn't going to be stopped easily.

Most important for Titan isn't this single top two finish, or the $10,000 check they picked up. It's the added confidence after the NiP win online that what they are doing is working, and it will build in the days leading up to ESL One Cologne. Titan are back in the mix for a potential grand final appearance, and it's the redemption their players likely deserved - and Kévin "Ex6TenZ" Droolans is also happy.

Obviously Kenny "kennyS" Schrub was the star of Titan in London, finishing with a 1.31 rating in twelve maps - a huge performance, all things considered probably the best of his career - but both Nathan "NBK-" Schmitt and Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom also played really well, around the level of their career averages. Edouard "SmithZz" Dubourdeaux still seems like he's a man without a role in Titan, but he will be more content that way when he's playing in the finals again.


Titan have reason to celebrate 

 

G3 format makes for a great viewing experience

This wasn't a surprise. By taking a glance at our viewer's guide for G3 it was painfully obvious that Saturday was going to be one of the most enjoyable days for a Counter-Strike fan in 2014. To me it was the most exciting day to follow Counter-Strike: Global Offensive so far, though the amount of interesting storylines leading up to it certainly played a part. Poor organizing by G3 left us out of a few games that also hurt the experience, but it's impossible not to love this format.

Most of the time we had two very good games on at the same time, while certain rounds had to settle with one clearly interesting game, and two with potential, and at other times three games that saw top teams go head-to-head take place. It's hard to argue against a six team group, as long as it uses a good playoff format with four teams advancing -- IEM already used the format, but they allowed the group winners to directly make the semi-finals, which was stupid at best.

We got to see top teams play many more matches than we're usually spoiled with at tournaments, and for once you can say that the group stage was as interesting as the playoff portion of the tournament, and actually mean it. During G3 no one uttered the words said by fans during DreamHack Summer and Copenhagen Games -- something along the lines of why can't the group stage already be over?


All of this at once? Where do I sign up? 

 

Who under or overperformed?

Given how many results were up in the air coming into this tournament and how multiple teams surprised us, we've decided to take a deeper look at all the players on an individual level. We've gone through all sixty players and compared their career rating to their rating at Gfinity 3 to see who did better than expected of them, who disappointed, and how that may have affected their team's overall performance. What makes this practice more interesting this time, is the reasonable sample size for everyone - fifty-five players played at least five maps, and fourty at least seven.

All of this took place in two days, so obviously current form was king in London. That will continue to be the case in the future as well, but with over ten days to prepare for Cologne, some will improve while others will be worse off. Let's take a look at the players who had the biggest change in their rating over their CS:GO career versus at G3 -- for better or worse. We've listed below the players whose rating was at least 0.10 better or worse than their career average in our statistical database.

Player G3 rating Career Difference
Sweden Mikail "Maikelele" Bill 1.37 1.08 +0.29
Norway Håvard "rain" Nygaard 1.09 0.87 +0.22
Denmark Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen 1.31 1.14 +0.17
Poland Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski 1.24 1.10 +0.14
France Kenny "kennyS" Schrub 1.31 1.19 +0.12
Finland Aleksi "allu" Jalli 1.29 1.19 +0.10
Denmark Andreas "Xyp9x" Højsleth 1.18 1.08 +0.10
United States Tyler "Skadoodle" Latham 1.02 1.13 -0.11
Sweden Alexander "SKYTTEN" Carlsson 0.85 0.97 -0.12
United States Braxton "swag" Pierce 1.00 1.13 -0.13
France Kévin "Ex6TenZ" Droolans 0.80 0.94 -0.14
Sweden Marcus "Delpan" Larsson 0.91 1.05 -0.14
Norway Bjoern "Skurk" Maaren 0.77 0.91 -0.14
Sweden Olof "olofmeister" Kajbjer 0.96 1.10 -0.14
Poland Filip "NEO" Kubski 0.92 1.07 -0.15
France Fabien "kioShiMa" Fiey 0.90 1.06 -0.16
Sweden Richard "Xizt" Landström 0.94 1.13 -0.19
Denmark Philip "aizy" Aistrup 0.78 0.99 -0.21
Canada Joshua "steel" Nissan 0.87 1.09 -0.22
Sweden Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson 0.72 0.97 -0.25
Sweden Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund 1.05 1.31 -0.26
France Richard "shox" Papillon 0.93 1.21 -0.28
Sweden Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg 0.97 1.26 -0.29
Sweden Adam "friberg" Friberg 0.77 1.10 -0.33
Netherlands Chris "chrisJ" de Jong 0.77 1.15 -0.38

First thing you'll notice is there are obviously tons more players who underperformed, than those who played better than through their career. That's because the level of teams at G3 was high, and everyone's stats tend to get inflated to their natural level in online matches versus weaker competition. You should also note that the career ratings listed above are after G3 -- which means the difference in reality would've been even larger. That being said, let's go over some of the more interesting entries in the table above.

NiP's combined rating was 1.32 lower than their career averages. To put that to perspective, it's almost as if they were playing four-on-five with GeT_RiGhT - whose career average is 1.31 - sitting out. When a team such as NiP underperforms this much, you should always look at their star players. They carry the heavy loads when they win, so surely they shouldn't be excused when they play like average human beings -- or below.

mousesports' chrisJ had a super poor showing as well, and it makes you wonder how much of an effect that had on the team's performance -- after all, they were a few rounds away from making the semi-finals at a very competitive event, that saw eight of the world's top twelve, and ten of fifteen best teams attend. That gives allu some hope of maybe not having all the weight on his shoulders in the future, but at the same time they face a major issue in making the two star AWPers fit together in the team.

shox had a bad event, but he was ill, which makes you want to cut him some slack. That, and he was the best player in Epsilon's win over NiP. Another surprisingly bad performance came from olofmeister, who clearly didn't show his a-form in his debut under the fnatic banner. The sole dignitas player on the underperformer list is aizy, whose LAN debut with the top team saw him possibly crumble under pressure.

For iBUYPOWER three players make the list. Biggest dropper was steel whose return to his old home in London clearly couldn't have gone much worse, but swag and Skadoodle also underperformed clearly. That's about it for the interesting players who underperformed, so let's take a look at players who surpassed their career averages.

Number one is obviously Maikelele, who had another stellar event. His teammates offered little help - he had a similar task as allu in carrying his team - and Delpan underperforming didn't help. allu also shows up, though his career average is already so high that greatly overperforming it is a much harder task.

Biggest surprise of Gfinity 3 was undoubtedly rain, whose events page was all red prior to G3, but now boasts a solid 1.09 rating from an event where his side played eight maps against top level competition. Two dignitas player unsurprisingly show up, as does Snax from Virtus.pro, and kennyS, who had arguably his best event to date.


Snax's strong performance allowed Virtus to top G3 


NiP are in serious trouble

It's official. I suggested following their losses online that NiP may not be in very good shape, but it was impossible to know until they attended a LAN tournament and put forth their best effort where it counts. They did just that in London last weekend, and came back empty handed. If G3 organizers knew how round robin group stages work, NiP would've been knocked out in groups, but due to the organizer's stupid rules - not understanding the difference in Counter-Strike's rounds  with different maps and the World Cup - NiP instead got to exit the groups and get run over by dignitas in the quarter-finals.

Looking at NiP's results one match at a time in London only makes their case worse; They lost a 13-4 lead versus Epsilon, couldn't close out a 14-14 game versus fnatic as terrorists on de_dust2, barely beat Infused, lost against iBUYPOWER and then barely snuck by London Conspiracy. The way dignitas beat them in the quarter-finals, on another day no less, proves this wasn't all for nothing. Add in the previous week's telling online results, and it's possible something is brewing within NiP.

The Ninjas are still coming off of a vacation and have roughly ten days - which they will probably spend bootcamping - to get in shape for ESL One Cologne. However, this is the second weak tournament result in a row for NiP, having placed 5-6th at ESEA Invite Season 16 Global Finals at the end of June, and marks the second time in the team's history they've placed outside of the top four. That's a bad sign, and could suggest a bigger problem in the team.

The last tournaments where the team's star player and the world's number one fragger GeT_RiGhT played to his career average of 1.31 rating were Copenhagen Games and EMS One Katowice. The former ended nearly four months ago, and since then GeT_RiGhT's resume includes ratings ranging from 0.96 to 1.11 at SLTV StarSeries IX Finals, DreamHack Summer, ESPORTSM Finals, ESEA Invite Finals and Gfinity 3. He is not the player currently that we've grown to consider the world's best.

The team's other star f0rest hasn't struggled as consistently - though he also had two catastrophic sub-1.00 rating events since May - and in-game leader Xizt has been playing around as well as he has been throughout his CS:GO career. On the other hand, friberg has had a string of performances in the red now, and Fifflaren has dipped far enough that it surprises you to scroll all the way down and see that in the early days of CS:GO he was legitimately a good player.

Clearly any team lives and breathes their best player, and just getting GeT_RiGhT back on track should put NiP back into title contention. However, this raises a whole new issue heading into Cologne. What if NiP get knocked out in groups? What if they're sent home in a lopsided quarter-final once more? Will the team finally make a roster change? Will results prevail over friendship? It's a great storyline we could find an answer to in two week's time. Either way, Xizt promises us a different team by the time ESL One starts.


The Ninjas are struggling 


ESL One Cologne will take place on August 14-17 and we're starting our pre-coverage for the event in a day or two. We will also be on-site in Germany for full coverage of the event.

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France Nathan 'NBK-' Schmitt
Nathan 'NBK-' Schmitt
Age:
25
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1652
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.15
France Edouard 'SmithZz' Dubourdeaux
Edouard 'SmithZz' Dubourdeaux
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.96
Maps played:
1161
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
France Richard 'shox' Papillon
Richard 'shox' Papillon
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
1580
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.12
Poland Paweł 'byali' Bieliński
Paweł 'byali' Bieliński
Age:
25
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1449
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
United States Tyler 'Skadoodle' Latham
Tyler 'Skadoodle' Latham
Age:
26
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1047
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.59
APR:
0.11
Norway Preben 'prb' Gammelsæter
Preben 'prb' Gammelsæter
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.91
Maps played:
156
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
Canada Joshua 'steel' Nissan
Joshua 'steel' Nissan
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
438
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.16
Sweden Mikail 'Maikelele' Bill
Mikail 'Maikelele' Bill
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
962
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.14
Denmark Andreas 'Xyp9x' Højsleth
Andreas 'Xyp9x' Højsleth
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1580
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.61
APR:
0.17
France Joey 'fxy0' Schlosser
Joey 'fxy0' Schlosser
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.17
Maps played:
186
KPR:
0.80
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.11
United States Braxton 'swag' Pierce
Braxton 'swag' Pierce
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
525
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.14
Sweden Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg
Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg
Age:
31
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1627
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.12
Sweden Alexander 'SKYTTEN' Carlsson
Alexander 'SKYTTEN' Carlsson
Age:
26
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
382
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.16
Belgium Adil 'ScreaM' Benrlitom
Adil 'ScreaM' Benrlitom
Age:
25
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1425
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.12
France Fabien 'kioShiMa' Fiey
Fabien 'kioShiMa' Fiey
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
1253
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.15
Denmark Philip 'aizy' Aistrup
Philip 'aizy' Aistrup
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1312
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
Poland Wiktor 'TaZ' Wojtas
Wiktor 'TaZ' Wojtas
Age:
33
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
1789
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.13
Poland Filip 'NEO' Kubski
Filip 'NEO' Kubski
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.97
Maps played:
1681
KPR:
0.66
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.17
Denmark René 'cajunb' Borg
René 'cajunb' Borg
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1452
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.13
Denmark Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1523
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.14
Sweden Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
1611
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.15
Sweden Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.89
Maps played:
1199
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
Netherlands Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1464
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.11
Sweden Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
537
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.60
APR:
0.15
Sweden Adam 'friberg' Friberg
Adam 'friberg' Friberg
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
1509
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.16
Norway Bjoern 'Skurk' Maaren
Bjoern 'Skurk' Maaren
Age:
27
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
242
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.16
United States Sam 'DaZeD' Marine
Sam 'DaZeD' Marine
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
170
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.19
Sweden Richard 'Xizt' Landström
Richard 'Xizt' Landström
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
1549
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.17
Germany Nikola 'LEGIJA' Ninić
Nikola 'LEGIJA' Ninić
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.91
Maps played:
850
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.14
Netherlands Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.77
Maps played:
8
KPR:
0.47
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.11
Sweden Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1336
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.13
Sweden Marcus 'Delpan' Larsson
Marcus 'Delpan' Larsson
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
154
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.12
Finland Aleksi 'allu' Jalli
Aleksi 'allu' Jalli
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
1391
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.11
Norway Håvard 'rain' Nygaard
Håvard 'rain' Nygaard
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1172
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.15
Poland Janusz 'Snax' Pogorzelski
Janusz 'Snax' Pogorzelski
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1604
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.13
Poland Jarosław 'pashaBiceps' Jarząbkowski
Jarosław 'pashaBiceps' Jarząbkowski
Age:
31
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1592
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.13
Belgium Kévin 'Ex6TenZ' Droolans
Kévin 'Ex6TenZ' Droolans
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
1393
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.15
France Kenny 'kennyS' Schrub
Kenny 'kennyS' Schrub
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.14
Maps played:
1584
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.11
n0thing
2014-08-05 21:04
We learned that Americans can not compete with european teams. The skill gap is just enormous.
2014-08-06 00:37
We learned mostly that allu is god, fifflaren slept with lurppis mom and bad. Thats it
2014-08-06 03:14
#212
Brazil rhj 
+1
2014-08-06 06:17
exactly !!! Although i agree with it, the amount of time he blew Allu up is a bit excessive, and of course, Fiffy :D :D
2014-08-07 09:41
#210
Vietnam N4M 
With only 1 American Team to base your facts on, it's not quite an arguement. I see NA have potential if they keep trying
2014-08-06 04:12
+1
2014-08-06 21:59
Thats why they beat NiP tied Fnatic? right? fucking retard
2014-08-06 05:15
nice
2014-08-05 21:04
Poor organizing still happens in 2014 ... WORD!
2014-08-05 21:05
#265
 | 
Lithuania AioNw0w 
+1
2014-08-06 12:56
The only thing i learned from gfinity is that you are 90% wrong. " Gfinity > ESL Cologne " Lurppis
2014-08-05 21:06
what? you on drugs or smthg?
2014-08-05 21:16
Sigh.
2014-08-05 21:21
+1
2014-08-05 21:43
You are the worst troll on this site
2014-08-05 23:11
The only thing I've learned is that you play CS since 2000 and you still have no clue.
2014-08-06 00:10
Some matches weren't casted/Some were casted in languages we can't understand, Delays, Kicking fans before the final, The last minute rule (round difference). And if you are questioning lurppis, then he's one of the best writers in cs atm.. but he's 75-90% wrong most of the times. He predicted that gfinity will top ESL just because thoorin wasn't hired to cast in it.
2014-08-06 06:26
you have some serious reading comprehension issues. fyi: i don't see how esl one can top g3 for me personally.
2014-08-06 07:38
I honestly didn't yet read this article, i was talking about your previous prediction about how gfinity could top ESL and gfinity. For me and i think every viewer, sticking to a schedule and broadcasting every game is enough for me even though esl has the most retarded map pool ever. It can easily top gfinity
2014-08-06 08:44
He said that G3 would be way more intense and interesting for the viewers and I think he was right.
2014-08-06 09:10
we missed nips first lose, delays, we watched streams in foreign languages.
2014-08-06 10:05
Seeing how NiP was bad anyway I'd rather liked seeing fnatic - iBP better, and at least we grabbed great games and lots of upsets while the group stages at ESL will mostly likely be bad. Honestly as a viewer, I had way more fun watching Gfinity than Katowice, even if I had to watch some games on the russian stream (and like 2 of them anyway).
2014-08-06 10:50
We missed fnatic's lan debut, iBP first game in USA and missed shoxie's performance against NiP. Do you know why we missed that? So they can broadcast a uk team. I understand that they want growth in UK but is that the way to do it? Do the viewers deserve what gfinity did? Every professional player complained about how shit the servers were some teams stopped playing after first halves for long breaks just so they can play on another server that was occupied by other teams. The only thing i could wish is that they learn from these horrible mistakes.
2014-08-06 11:20
#282
 | 
Denmark LasZe 
Here is a drawout from the article: "We missed games such as Epsilon's upset win over NiP - which no demo, VOD or anything else exists for - and iBUYPOWER's tie against fnatic. Instead we were forcefed lopsided games featuring weak UK teams. It's unacceptable, and can not fly in the future. There were also major issues with the PCs USB ports - leading to tons of delays - that probably should have been taken care of a day or two before the action was set to begin." At least read the article before going full retard dude.. #noclueonthisone
2014-08-06 16:49
At least read the whole conversation before you starting sucking dicks.
2014-08-06 17:35
You really have no clue about what the article was about. The things you mention have nothing to do with the reasoning he used for G3 being above ESL.
2014-08-06 14:02
Read the whole article before ass-kissing.
2014-08-06 17:35
I did, clearly you did not.
2014-08-06 18:00
I meant conversation sorry*~ I was talking about his previous article
2014-08-06 18:57
So was I. Still, what you are talking about have nothing to do with that article. The things you mention are very valid concerns and what I find unacceptable as well. However, in his article, lurppis talk about the excitement of seeing how the various teams will do for the first time, the format of the groups, the map selection and the viewer experience. Had the viewers been treated as lurppis would have expected, it would have been great. Instead G3 fucked up, but that is not something lurppis or the rest of us expected, which is why you cannot blame lurppis, for the fuckups G3 did. Yes it was not as great as we expected and ESL will likely have much better production, but we did not know how G3 would do beforehand.
2014-08-06 19:33
Lurppis expected something and it went wrong, he made a wrong prediction. We didn't see fnatics new lineup debut, we missed shoxie thrashing NiP, The format of the groups might have been fine but Round difference rule made some teams progress that didn't deserve it at all (Why should a team go through just because they started on the better side first and got more rounds?) As i said i didn't blame lurppis for G3 failing i just pointed out that he had a fail prediction like many others he had in the past and that doesn't mean he's less of a esport journalist hell, who am i to judge him? he played on various top teams in two continents and has tons experience in professional gaming.
2014-08-06 20:26
I understand you much better now. We actually agree on the problems of the event, but your initial post just seemed like you wanted to blame lurppis for something that was out of his hands, while the other aspects of his article actually were true. We cannot really say if he made a wrong prediction yet, but it is true that G3 did not live up to the expectations, in the production area.
2014-08-06 21:06
Yeah i should have explained more in my initial post. my bad
2014-08-07 06:34
#266
 | 
Lithuania AioNw0w 
Did you not watch the damn thing? It was a disaster in most areas.
2014-08-06 12:56
That's exactly what im saying.
2014-08-06 13:19
#276
 | 
Lithuania AioNw0w 
I am so so sorry. Didn't understand your comment the way i should have. Silly me :(
2014-08-06 14:33
dignitas should stop choking on semi-finals haahahahahaha and look at chrisJ stats hahahahahaaa
2014-08-05 21:07
you should look at your poor uk teams :D and football teams and ......... and...........
2014-08-05 21:39
Yes because those things are totally relevant to chrisj's poor performance at g3.
2014-08-05 21:40
poor football teams?
2014-08-05 21:43
Ding! Ding! Ding! Retard Alert!
2014-08-06 00:43
#281
 | 
Denmark fyhn 
He's right though. dignitas played an almost flawless tournament up until the last two maps of the semifinals.
2014-08-06 16:45
"While Epsilon being wronged has garnered reasonable media attention, almost no one has spoken about Heat." I wonder why...
2014-08-05 21:07
nice
2014-08-05 21:08
#13
 | 
United Kingdom ELVIS^G 
f0rest onliner
2014-08-05 21:10
Looking forward to read some fifflaren hate
2014-08-05 21:10
if he does the right thing and steps down, then we wont have to read anymore fiff hate...its his own fault.
2014-08-05 23:14
#163
 | 
Argentina atriX^ 
+1 If he has a good performance in Cologne, he doesn't have but if doesn't do well he should step down voluntarily.
2014-08-06 00:36
even if he has a good performance in Cologne he should still step down, bc the next 5 tournies after cologne he will have bad performances, and then 1 mediocre performance and then back to 5 more bad ones...
2014-08-06 01:54
#193
 | 
Argentina atriX^ 
I would agree if next tourney was Dreamhack Valencia or ESEA but it's a 250k prize purse tourney and if he contributes to NiP so they can win it he deserves another chance, after all they placed 2nd in both previous 250k tourneys. Yes I know he sucked in Katowice grand final but still. He doesn't have to pull a 1vs5 ace or something crazy to redeem himself. Just carry his weight, start getting important frags, frag more overall, improve his awping. I know he is not really an awper but he HAS to awp in dust2 and train so at the very list he should improve those maps.
2014-08-06 02:11
good read
2014-08-05 21:10
didnt read, but good pictures
2014-08-05 21:11
chrisJ proved himself as a total onliner
2014-08-05 21:11
#18
mason | 
Tunisia mason~ 
n1
2014-08-05 21:12
i will tell you what you learn,Do not underestimate virtus pro :)
2014-08-05 21:13
in an interview steel also mentioned a good point about the schedule, as far as it goes for Poor organizing still happens in 2014 link with the certain part - youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailp..
2014-08-05 21:18
I've learned Lurppis' predictions are good for the lulz
2014-08-05 21:17
fnatic good but not great jw great
2014-08-05 21:17
#143
 | 
Slovakia kubiaxk 
they are maybe great, but not best (jw best)
2014-08-05 23:59
I don't follow. How can you get knocked out "wrongly" if the rules are the same for all teams? Or did the organizers actually not apply their rules correctly (I must have missed that)?
2014-08-05 21:19
The rules were set from the start and the organizers followed them. What lurppis argues is that it should have been head-to-head, before overall round difference.
2014-08-05 21:22
The set rules were retarded. Round difference before head to head can work in sports where each game is even. Not in cs where different maps have way too much impact on how many rounds you win/lose. For example, even a good team will lose a lot of rounds against a significantly worse team if they started t side on nuke.
2014-08-05 21:39
+maikelele join lineup NiP!
2014-08-05 21:21
#28
United Kingdom pugh 
SALTY SALTY LIKE MANS CHIPS WHEN MANS FISHES DEM CHIPS OUT THE SEA AND SALTS THEM WITH FISH AND CHIPS
2014-08-05 21:24
tldr
2014-08-05 21:22
Well Played Virtus.Pro!
2014-08-05 21:23
#32
Frankie | 
United States lybrel 
"For comparison, a 0.30-difference is more than the difference between Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg and Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson." Did fifflaren sleep with lurrpis' sister or something? Every single article there's a swipe at him...
2014-08-05 21:25
Salt level 9 billion
2014-08-05 21:25
#37
United Kingdom pugh 
no salt [ ] salt [ ] much salt [ ] PJSalt [ ] extreme sodium saltstorm 9000 [ ] lurppis [x]
2014-08-05 21:27
9-44
2014-08-05 22:55
#167
 | 
Argentina atriX^ 
rofl
2014-08-06 00:38
#85
Germany pmb  
ahaha ur r1te
2014-08-05 22:20
fifflaren is the most polarizing player in cs:go, by far. if you want to make a point, the easiest way to do it is by comparing to him. can you think of any other two players (in-game leaders excluded) with a 0.30-difference in rating who are by fans considered further apart? i can't.
2014-08-06 07:42
With GTR, the 0.30 difference is much easier to achieve. It's the best in the world. Bring it down to 0.20 and we see pretty much every team at certain events. Can come up with many examples: pronax... ex6... neo. Or really whatever player is bottom-fragging on Epsilon when shox or fxy0 go beast. And those are the best teams in the world. Yeah maybe not 0.3 and maybe that IGL excuse (which fiffy covered for quite a few gigs), but you get the point. You do have to admit you trash talk him more than most though, even proportional to how much he may suck in stats.
2014-08-06 07:47
pronax, ex6 and neo have all been in-game leaders. neo alone is such a presence on a team that he brings a ton to the table even without fragging. again, who really cares what rating a player on epsilon scores? they're a borderline top ten team (though fun one because of shox), whereas everyone cares about nip. fifflaren plays on the best team in the world. his team will be criticized the most for the least faults. it's how it works in our world.
2014-08-06 08:22
#283
 | 
Denmark fyhn 
pronax, ex6 and neo have all been in-game leaders. So has Fifflaren? neo alone is such a presence on a team that he brings a ton to the table even without fragging. And you know Fifflaren doesn't do the same thing, how?
2014-08-06 16:50
fifflaren isn't the most experienced player on nip. also, just a sidenote, neo's rating is 0.10 better than fifflaren's - roughly the difference between a below average player, and a definitely good player.
2014-08-06 17:37
#290
 | 
Denmark fyhn 
My point is that you're not a part of the team, so for you to comment on what fiffy does and doesn't bring to the table without fragging is somewhat ridiculous in my opinion.
2014-08-06 17:37
sure, but i will go on and do it regardless of your opinion
2014-08-06 17:39
#293
 | 
Denmark fyhn 
Sure you will and you'll lose a lot of respect in the progress. Not that you care? Anyway, there's no denying that fifflaren is dead last in your precious stats system, but there's still no reason to be an asshole about it. All that being said, keep up the good work.
2014-08-06 17:49
completely agreed, even though he might perform the worst in the system, trash talking him in pretty much EVERY chance possible is a bit too much, tbh.
2014-08-07 09:50
#320
suNny | 
Finland m1skaa 
lurppis*
2014-08-08 14:51
#33
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
Chris "chrisJ" de Jong 0.77 1.15 -0.38 expected
2014-08-05 21:25
refund or riot
2014-08-05 21:26
ex6tenz french Kappa
2014-08-05 21:27
For comparison, a 0.30-difference is more than the difference between Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg and Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson.
2014-08-05 21:30
n1
2014-08-05 21:31
good read
2014-08-05 21:32
"Landström promises us a different team by the time ESL One starts." Lol, this isn't hapenning, you can't get yourself back to the top in less than 10 days, sorry. NiP to go out of groups/quarter at best.
2014-08-05 21:35
"we learn that u are allways wrong" nothing new.
2014-08-05 21:39
#51
Puls3 | 
World bigb1rd 
did read
2014-08-05 21:41
#54
Belgium Monu 
I can't understand why you all bash lurppis, everything he says is backed up by stats. It's journalism, it is supposed to be harsh and worth reading. Grow a pair.
2014-08-05 21:45
#63
Frankie | 
United States lybrel 
Harsh is fine. A paragraph about how great allu is and then BAM a sentence about how much fifflaren sucks in comparison... that's bleeding personal hatred into the article which is bad journalism. (And this fiff-love is definitely not a first for lurppis.)
2014-08-05 21:51
+1 clearly agree
2014-08-05 22:04
#87
method | 
United States f0xes` 
I don't think it's bad journalism as much as it is biased journalism. Everyone in the media has the right to express their opinion. You see it in politics and especially sports, people have their favorites and often times they aren't afraid to voice them. If you don't perform in a competitive atmosphere you are susceptible to criticism, that is life. Anyone who expects people who consistently underperform to get special treatment are borderline delusional.
2014-08-05 22:22
yea, but journalists are per definintio not "fans", they get paid to be objective.
2014-08-06 00:36
not everyone. bill simmons is a great example, and to me his work is more enjoyable than almost anyone else's. i get paid to write, but i do try to stay objective, which is why i back everything i say with arguments, and stats (when possible).
2014-08-06 07:44
Lol i have disagreed alot with lurppis in the past but he is 100% right, allu's performance deserved a great paragraph while Fiffys one deserved every single word that he said, he is bad how else can you say it? The truth obviously hurts but its not bad journalism.
2014-08-05 22:26
Fiff is obviously a very good asset to NIP or f0rest&gtr would have kicked him long time ago.
2014-08-06 12:14
Obviously, Fifflaren didn't get kicked while NiP was getting good results as a team. He will definitely get kicked if NiP drop out of Cologne in group stages (which is extremely likely given their group)
2014-08-06 14:09
Sure there is truth in that, but then again allu's stats have been amazing every tournament and fifflaren's stats have been horrible every tournament. But I agree that the part on allu is partly biased. And on fifflarens part, in every topsport you get bashed if you play really bad, its a part of being famous and getting paid to play. And imo its not such a bad thing for NiP, there other players never get blamed for losing, they dont have to cope with pressure because fifflaren gets all the bashing anyway.
2014-08-05 23:09
allu's teams have never done well though - aside from thor open in late 2012, nearly two years ago. he has always gotten good stats vs bad teams and then in a single match (loss) vs a good team. doing it consistently vs top teams only is a ton more impressive, which is why to me he was never truly one of the best players until now.
2014-08-06 07:46
fair enough
2014-08-06 11:26
+1 And in response to #63: it's an appropriate comparison because on what other top team do you find such a wide disparity in rating between players, discounting IGLs (fetish, ex6tenz).
2014-08-05 22:01
+1 lurppis > richtard blewhis
2014-08-05 22:18
this is truly an awesome read one of the few that keep you interested till the very end, well done!
2014-08-05 21:49
sad to see forest gtr and neo in this ranking...
2014-08-05 21:49
wait what happend to Epsilon?
2014-08-05 21:50
NEVER BET TO NIP,EPSILON,VP
2014-08-05 21:51
You can say that on every team that made you lose a bet. "Never bet." ftfy
2014-08-05 23:46
Poor lurppis. Every time he comes up with a global ranking a bunch of wild shit happens and the rankings look like a complete joke.
2014-08-05 21:53
VP ranked top 2, finished 1. Dignitas ranked top 4, finished top 4. IBP ranked 7, finished 5-8. Fnatic and Titan begin to climb back up the rankings, just as predicted. ESG and Epsilon ranked lowest, finished lowest. The only "wild shit" is NiP playing like trash and should have been knocked out in groups if G3 used logical tiebreak rules.
2014-08-05 22:08
It's more like Titan went from fringe top 10 back to a top 5 team just days after the rankings.
2014-08-05 22:27
you must have missed the part where the world rankings were based on past and were not indicative of the future. those would be called 'power rankings'.
2014-08-06 07:50
awesome job !
2014-08-05 21:55
Not the first time that i read that NiP are in trouble after some bad lan results (1/2bad results). Then they come back (with the SAME lineup, yes with the hated fifflaren) and win something again, and look they're No1 again. lol, always the same history... That hate towards fifflaren lol. I think we have a jealous guy here :)
2014-08-05 21:55
its amazing how people say that lurppis is jealous of fiff, lol do u really think lurppis would want to be carried by a team full of much better players? Do u think lurppis would want to be known as the guy that only won tournaments bc he played with forest/gtr? Lurppis tells it how it is and everything he says is backed up by facts. Maybe he does have some hatred towards fiff, but alot of people do. In no way can u call it jealousy tho.
2014-08-05 23:21
You mean like he did during 1.6?
2014-08-05 23:44
ur delusional if u think that lurppis ever got carried as hard as fiff does. Yes there was a time when lurppis was playing poorly, sure. But I cant even come close to saying he was carried. Plus he was an igl...and he actually knew what he was doing lol. How did things go when fiff was igl?
2014-08-05 23:48
They came 2nd at EMS Katowice with Fiffy IGL
2014-08-06 00:02
oh u mean when gtr played possibly the best tournament of his career and every NIP player had over a 1.0 rating except fiff...Yea im sure fiffs strats got them that 2nd place, totally not GTR being a monster....LOL hltv.org/?pageid=181&eventid=1333&gameid..
2014-08-06 00:07
Do you honestly think f0rest&gtr would keep fiff on the team if he wasn´t infact a good asset to NIP?
2014-08-06 15:47
he is a good asset to the team....he's the court jester, he helps the others have a good time. Forest loves to laugh, i guess he doesnt mind carrying fiff
2014-08-06 21:57
so fucking be it !
2014-08-07 09:58
Yeah, they hired a clown to cheer f0rest up so he can be on fire.
2014-08-07 14:39
no they hired a professional cs player, and it turned out that he wasnt anywhere as good as they expected, so now he just makes them laugh
2014-08-07 22:11
And did any1 criticized lurppis that much on that time? lol. I just think that the community is always bashing fifflaren and he had some games where he did great. I dont think that statistics say all about him, and u cant base your opinion only on statistics. I just dont like him (lurppis) because he seems to be a little arrogant when he makes some assumption.
2014-08-06 01:41
oh ur right, hes completely arrogant, but that doesnt make him wrong.
2014-08-06 01:55
Only won tournaments? You are talking about the most successful team in CS history... Are you really suggesting an achievement like that can be done with a bad player?
2014-08-06 00:29
yes, yes i am...They are the most successful team is CSGO history, but they achieved their insane winning streak with a bad player, while all other teams were still learning the game.
2014-08-06 01:52
They are the most successful team in all of CS history, what they have achieved is absurd and to suggest that they have a bad player is insane. I don't think anybody is saying he is on the same level as the other players, but there is a big difference between saying that and calling him bad.
2014-08-06 02:47
for a professional player that is on the best team in the game, he is bad...sorry
2014-08-06 02:56
So he isn't bad at the game, thank you.
2014-08-06 02:57
I just said he was, but thats my opinion(and alot of other people too). Nip plays every tournament 4.5 vs 5. Bye felicia
2014-08-06 03:13
Why the fuck would you follow a game where it (according to you) is possible to win 4.5 vs 5 on the highest level? A lot of people think we have never been on the moon and that 9/11 was an inside job btw, doesn't make it any less retarded.
2014-08-06 03:20
u make no sense lol, its possible to win a round 1v5 so why is it so unbelievable to win a match 4.5 vs 5? Bringing up historical situations that have no relation to what we are talking about isnt gonna help ur argument...nice try tho, i can see u are getting very angry by the lengths u are going to.
2014-08-06 03:24
We are not talking about a single match are we? We are talking about the best team of all time ffs... "and alot of other people too". I brought it up because you seem to think it has relevance... I am not getting angry at all btw, I just find your delusion fascinating.
2014-08-06 03:27
#69
Germany pmb  
dat bs again.. "Will results prevail over friendship?" Following this logic, Gfinity champion VP would be disbanded already early 2013 and fnatic with Olof or Epsilon with shox would instantly win every upcoming tournament.
2014-08-05 21:57
chrisJ stronk on LAN
2014-08-05 21:57
so harsh on NiP , eventually they needed to get down and cant do 1st and 2nd places all the time , i think we can give them some break , and this is from vacation so i would get worried in ESL Cologne, but if they there suck then ok something is wrong
2014-08-05 21:59
+1 lurppis doesnt understand that not everyone is a quitter like him. I would be very disappointed if nip make a change at the first sign of struggling
2014-08-05 22:13
"first sign of struggling" Implying fiff hasn't been sucking the fat meat trombone for the last 2 years.
2014-08-05 22:31
lol first sign of struggling? u are delusional, fiff has been holding them back for like 2 years...they have lost so many tournaments bc of him. They need to bring in someone else and that is a fact. He was brought on as an awper(he cant awp), he was made igl(he couldnt do that), he was made a support player(still lowest ratings on the team every tournament). So what can he actually do except tell jokes and make the team laugh? I would hate to be the court jester of my team, only kept around bc my antics make people laugh...
2014-08-05 23:25
what i meant by struggling was finishing outside of top4 twice in the last month, at a "big" LAN. Thanks for the essay anyway.
2014-08-06 00:10
well ur still wrong, so it doesnt matter what u meant. They have been struggling for much longer than what u say...
2014-08-06 00:16
fiffy is actually doing bether then before and if you look at it gtr and f0rest and friberg sucked to at this tournament , and support players dont need to be lead killers and top of the board + fiffy has more prices won then any other cs:go player if you dont include NiP players obviously
2014-08-06 20:05
you are wrong, why do u think lurppis posted the stats list. Fifflaren is playing worse than he ever has. Thats why lurppis says he actually used to be somewhat decent in the beginning of csgo(but thats only bc other teams sucked at csgo still). And of course fiff has more prize money won than any other csgo player except NIP, he is on the winningest team in history. The point is he only won all that prize money bc of who he plays with.
2014-08-06 21:55
To be fair, lurppis played 1.6 till the very end (he was the MVP of the last 1.6 tournament in HLTV's records, although against unknown asian teams). He never picked up CSGO, so there is no question of quitting.
2014-08-06 07:02
that's a hilarious comment considering i have not been behind a single one of the roster changes in any of my teams. but sure, go on assuming things with zero knowledge -- it's clearly your strength.
2014-08-06 07:54
only one of my strengths
2014-08-08 22:34
#73
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
#allu2nip
2014-08-05 22:05
#75
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Portugal maguire 
good read as always lurppis
2014-08-05 22:08
10. Lurppis has nothing good to say about anything, ever. Thanks gfinity!
2014-08-05 22:08
#91
Germany pmb  
at least hes not afraid to point out maladministrations. I wouldnt be too pleased to attend such an Event without being able to view the finals either
2014-08-05 22:25
you must not read: allu broke through as a star Virtus.pro and dignitas still got it Titan return as a contender G3 format makes for a great viewing experience ...or about the players who overperformed.
2014-08-06 07:56
Learn some English and read the article again.
2014-08-06 12:14
Did not read.
2014-08-05 22:12
#86
Germany pmb  
great insight
2014-08-05 22:22
#79
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Germany Bongskie 
Thanks you lurppis :) realy love those ''What we learned from '' articles Keep up the good work.
2014-08-05 22:15
#81
method | 
United States f0xes` 
That group photo of VP/Titan - awesome lol. NBK and ex6 getting "carried" by Taz and Pasha :D Good read.
2014-08-05 22:25
This was just shit 1/10 wouldnt read again. Lurppis lost it. Maikelele playing out of his mind -> lets highlight allu's performance cause finnish (allu played great too dont get me wrong)
2014-08-05 22:28
Crybabies don't deserve paragraphs
2014-08-05 23:45
Come on, it's not as bad as when Thorin rated a lurppis movie 7.5/10 @ SK Gaming even though it had no sound and was unfinished :D
2014-08-06 00:45
Maikelele's team did not make it out of the groups while mouz nearly made it to the semis? It is a matter of sample size. Also, results deeper in the tournament are more impressive than those in the group stage. Moreover, maikelele made it to the top of the ranking because he was an above-average player from whom no-one expected much, but he instead showed a dominant performance (possibly a single-event fluke?) Allu, on the other hand, already boasted an impressive rating before the tournament and he managed to one-up it at G3? It all makes perfect sense.
2014-08-06 01:11
#221
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France cedd 
what ? Maikelele has always been this good
2014-08-06 07:28
Not according to his stats. Did you read the article?
2014-08-06 10:56
No one cares about that hackusing douchebag team, /disband please
2014-08-06 06:21
maikelele's performance isn't news - we've said countless times now that he's been one of the top players in 2014 so far. his old stats don't reflect his 2014 level of play, but he's been up there all year.
2014-08-06 07:59
good read. too many below average iq people who can't handle the fact that there shouldn't be anything that can't be subject to reasoning. If you can't handle facts and reasoning then you are an idiot, simple as that.
2014-08-05 22:23
I don't understand why people are bashing lurppis. He's a journalist, ex CS player and a game critic. It's his job to criticize a player if he's playing poorly or par below his standards and i guess everybody is entitled to express their opinion. The criticism should be taken in positive way instead of creating furore in forum.
2014-08-05 22:24
#94
method | 
United States f0xes` 
Because most people on HLTV and the internet in general are sheltered and don't know how the media functions. If you are a great player who is consistent - you are praised. No one seems to have a problem with this logic. If you are a bad player and consistently underperform - you will be criticized. Still going to take some time for this concept to ripen with internet people.
2014-08-05 22:28
The community is still not matured enough to handle the criticism of some popular CS player. At least spare his sister for Christ's sake.
2014-08-05 22:43
don't worry, i don't take the internet seriously, and i don't have a sister so there's no reason for me to get offended in the first place.
2014-08-06 08:02
#99
United Kingdom pugh 
difference between criticism and outright bashing someone. saying "you can improve here by doing this" is different to saying "you're fucking dogshit i will fuck your mum because you are so bad"
2014-08-05 22:38
+1, what lurppis has done in the last few days via twitter had nothing to do with journalism but with being a complete dickweed. but this article is different, here he doesnt bash. this is more like i would expect it.
2014-08-05 22:45
+1 Theres a difference between criticism and being an idiot.
2014-08-05 22:48
#107
method | 
United States f0xes` 
Yes because that is what Lurrpis said on his twitter, got it. Lurrpis jokes about allu learning how to speak Swedish faster than Fiffy could learn CSGO. Definitely no exaggerating at all. You should go read some real sports journalism sometime, see how critics torch people like LeBron James or Wayne Rooney. Then again, maybe you shouldn't because I think it'd make you hate the world even more than you already do.
2014-08-05 22:49
Well most papers don't write that a specific person/player is shit after every tournament. Fifflaren has consistently played on this level before, no need to write about it all the time. Unless you have a personal vendetta against the guy...
2014-08-05 23:49
happened to lebron non-stop for nearly two years from july 2010 until june 2012 when he won his first championship.
2014-08-06 08:09
#321
suNny | 
Finland m1skaa 
lurppis*
2014-08-08 14:51
lol how long can u baby someone tho? How long can u stroke fiff's hair and tell him everything will be alright one day? Just gtfo already, ur destroying a team of champions...
2014-08-05 23:27
good
2014-08-06 09:13
meh
2014-08-06 09:14
:D
2014-08-06 09:14
allu asslicker confirmed
2014-08-05 22:32
+1
2014-08-05 22:37
Just like you lick Forest's ass. What's the difference ?
2014-08-05 22:51
The difference is that I don't pretend that I am unbiased, I do not write articles about him either, just showing that I support him as a player.
2014-08-05 23:08
Lurppis calling fiflaren dogshit is pretending to be unbiased ? LOL
2014-08-05 23:13
Don't you think that having "What we learned from Gfinity" as headline for an article sounds like it is supposed to be unbiased? Shouldn't it just contain facts from the tournament and not personal feelings?
2014-08-06 00:21
And here I was thinking that you probably do not write articles because you do not get paid to do so. I could not have been more wrong, I guess.
2014-08-06 01:14
nice read
2014-08-05 22:41
wow, no fifflaren bashing? i agree with that stuff about if nip go out in groups or quarters in cologne they need to think if they arent thinking already, but i approve that you left it at this this time. nice read. allu asslicker unconfirmed, allu is a star player. if he was swedish or french or ukrainian/russian nobody would even dare to doubt it since he wouldnt be playing for a crap team but for the worlds best.
2014-08-05 22:43
Good article lurppis! Keep em coming :)
2014-08-05 22:44
Either friberg or fifflaren is going to leave the team after ESL One Cologne? If they place outside top4 that is.
2014-08-05 22:49
Nice article, ty :)
2014-08-05 22:50
Why are people hating on ChrisJ? He was one of the few who were commenting on hltvorg.
2014-08-05 22:52
It's fucking outrageous how they treated Epsilon. They won against NiP and had the same score in standings but were dropped from the playoffs.. Lmao, NiP only got through because of their reputation. If it was any other team, Epsilon would have got to playoffs. G3 admins are a joke.
2014-08-05 22:52
Dude, calm down. I got good contact with epsilon and Robin (GMX) would definetly talked to me if he found the rules strange. Got zero negative responses when presenting the rules. You making it sound like it was a war or something...
2014-08-05 23:31
the rules WERE idiotic. that's a fact. round difference can not be the first tiebreaker in a two team tie, it only works in three-way ties because there's no other way to decide who goes through.
2014-08-06 08:11
The rules is something I need to look into, I can agree with that. At the same time I have to stick with what I wrote, I cannot change rules mid tourney. Tiebreakers is always kind of hard to deal with since the teams are so close. What I'm trying to say is that it's not like any team made a huge deal out of it. Everyone seemed fine. But I hear you, I will look into that.
2014-08-06 08:49
not sure if you're trying to defend the british g3 people or if you are part of it, but we (hltv.org) tried to convince them to change this already before the event, and they kept arguing it's the way to go.
2014-08-06 08:50
I'm not defending anyone. It's my misstake and I take 100% responsibility for that. It has nothing to do with Gfinity. I wrote the rules, I was the head admin. I take the consequences. But I said, I'll look in to it and make it better, not just In that part.
2014-08-06 09:17
please never be admin of another tournament. The rules at my 10-man lan party at home were better and we had public GOTV
2014-08-06 13:09
Aight. Ty för very valuable input :)
2014-08-06 13:33
...
2014-08-05 23:35
Lurppis there was a long wall of text written about N!P but u didnt mention fifflaren once ? why ? why? why? :'D
2014-08-05 22:55
Read again: "Johansson has dipped far enough that it surprises you to scroll all the way down and see that in the early days of CS:GO he was legitimately a good player."
2014-08-06 01:18
My own and shorter version: 1.NiP is beatable 2.Every team can win and go to playoffs. 3.Anderson is bad 4.Cs is going bigger. //the end
2014-08-05 23:11
We learnt that.... any thread critical of gfinity would be deleted in record time.
2014-08-05 23:13
The water is real
2014-08-05 23:16
Very well written once again, Tomi. Thumbs up!
2014-08-05 23:28
If VP win ESL ONE they will be top1 i think, of course, only if nip will underperforme Titan welcome to top5 again. CS is going bigger. allu and snax welcome to the stars. OnlineJ is onliner
2014-08-05 23:41
What we learned from gfinty: ''that allu lerns faster sweeds then fiffy lerns cs ''
2014-08-06 00:27
#172
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Argentina atriX^ 
lmao
2014-08-06 00:50
#169
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Germany lpSykl 
"but reminds everyone that Counter-Strike is a team game. You win as a team, and you lose as a team." ..but everyone still hates Fifflaren...
2014-08-06 00:45
As much as I love fiff it would be interesting to do reality show where nip gets a 6th and they switch off games I bet a shit ton of people would watch for me it would be as interesting as a major...
2014-08-06 01:16
i dont understand your point really... all of nip maybe apart from xizt had a shit event compared to what they normally bring to the table, but that doesnt mean that you cant pick one of them as the weakest. and once again fiff had an underwhelming performance stat wise. fyi i dont wanna hate, ive always been saying that nobody apart from nip and maybe heaton etc can judge whether they need to remove fiff or not and whether hes actually as useless as 80% of hltv try to make him.
2014-08-06 01:34
I learned how f0rest feels in jail bad internet concrete walls
2014-08-06 01:12
we learned the worst cs teams in the world are from UK.
2014-08-06 01:33
that seems extremely uncalled for, seeing these results: infused 12-16 nip infused 15-15 ibuypower infused 12-16 fnatic infused clearly could become a fairly good team - i also tweeted during the event that i was impressed by them - though fm-esports clearly weren't good enough.
2014-08-06 08:18
<3
2014-08-06 02:39
ChrisJ at lan > Fifflaren at lan lol
2014-08-06 04:00
good read
2014-08-06 06:19
What we learned from Gfinity 3 is that.. NA teams still have a lot of work to complete in order to compete with Euro
2014-08-06 06:30
fiffy- "Yes i fucked lupris's sister" -hltv.org confirmed
2014-08-06 06:41
LC & Mouz showed good progress Epsilon should not have gone out but indeed NiP should have. With Allu added to the Mouz roster they showed progress and Allu did what many expected him to do preform well and even more he carried Mouz throughout their whole event. prb & rain added to the LC roster made them even more competitive then when we saw then under H2K-gaming when they won assembly it will be a interesting team to follow and keep track of. to conclude from 1 event that Titan are back is a bit of a big leap for me but given how they did last night aswell i cannot say it isn't true. iBP ; underperformed as usual but this event will give them some more experience aswell as a build up for ESL One Cologne where they might make it out of groupstage if they adapt well to the EU playstyle but its not likely as u stated because they are in a very tough group. overall i agree with it
2014-08-06 06:44
#allu2nip
2014-08-06 08:05
average
2014-08-06 08:20
Nip saving strats for more money easy
2014-08-06 08:55
it's the first time i agree with almost everything. nice read, made my coffee better. nip must let fifflaren :go. it's obvious he must :go more than ever, even he shouldn't have lasted so long. too bad allu can't match with 4 fins to do damage. mouz is not an option for him and he'll lose motivation. hope to see him in fnatic. fnatic did mixes swe+dk in the past, why not add a finn.
2014-08-06 10:16
I used to like Lurppis but in the last few events he got hired for and articles he wrote for HLTV he gradually became more annoying and arrogant. Especially the way he has been bashing NiP in the recent time seems very unprofessional. I seriously hope I won't have to hear him in Cologne.
2014-08-06 12:28
#267
India pfx 
The comments are like lurppis against hltv.org <POPCORN>
2014-08-06 13:02
great read lurppis
2014-08-06 13:43
#272
smooya | 
United Kingdom azrl 
People are much to harsh when it comes to fifflaren.. He may not be the best in the world but he's certainly better than any of you children.
2014-08-06 13:49
Good read!
2014-08-06 14:18
I learned nothing
2014-08-06 15:50
#284
Xyp9x | 
Other GunnerL 
Good analysis and read. However, imo its hard to tell which team is the best right now, I'd rather wait til ESL Cologne is over. Even then, with the introduction of Overpass and Cobblestone (which might not even be played, or at best played a few times), its really hard to determine the best team right now. Looking forward to ESL Cologne, given the current form of dignitas,Titan and Virtus Pro. I still believe NiP might still be able to shake off their rusty form though. After all, they always seem to struggle in group stages (in the past, excluding EMS Katowice I guess) and emerge in the finals/ top podium.
2014-08-06 17:12
what we learned from G3 lurppis has no manners lurppis thinks allu is god, just cause hes finnish lurppis hates swedish teams, obvious little brother complex, sry, sry for insultes finland
2014-08-07 09:52
+1
2014-08-07 13:17
so salt m8
2014-08-08 01:43
NiP top 1 as always!
2014-08-07 13:16
Xizt says they still got it, friberg is shocked, GeT_RiGhT is not sure... hltv.org/?pageid=154&galleryid=5262&pict..
2014-08-07 17:44
NiP = top1
2014-08-07 20:29
nip are one of the most professional teams in all of esports. They have gone through ups and downs and have proven that for them, they are just ups and downs. NiP will be competitive come ESL. kennys is amazing. smithz should have been dropped back in the day for shox. kennys is literally one of the best players in the world right now and the guy has been on a mission since to prove it. The key to titan is scream and nbk, those 2 need to play like top5 players for this team to go deep in tournaments.
2014-08-08 01:42
"Titan have always been capable of beating everyone, except NiP" DHI EMS Summer Finals EMS Fall Finals ESWC SLTV Finals 2013 MSI Beat It! k lurppis
2014-08-08 19:41
maybe learn to get better commentators for matches?? +1
2014-08-11 04:27
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