The friendship argument

Often when talking about potential roster changes in teams, friendship is brought up as one of the main concerns. But should it be?

With Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson being constantly criticized for poor performances, the argument fans often stick to in his defense is that friendship trumps everything in CS:GO, and therefore he's a vital part of NiP.

In this article we consider the importance of friendship in Counter-Strike teams, how it helps or even hurts teams, whether you can improve by removing friends, and the choice it ultimately comes down to.

Continue reading for a more thorough analysis, with examples from my career, both good and bad, and from the careers of NiP's star players Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg and Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund.


Fifflaren remains the most criticized player in CS:GO 


Do you need to be friends to be successful?

This is the easiest point to tackle, so we'll start there; do players in Counter-Strike teams have to be friends outside of the game for the team to be successful? To me this causal relationship is clearly flawed as an argument. Players in the real golden five roster - the one featuring Łukasz "LUq" Wnek, Filip "NEO" Kubski, Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas, Jakub "kuben" Gurczynski and Mariusz "Loord" Cybulski - literally punched each other during some events, yet are one of the most successful lineups of all time.

And although it ultimately led to changes, I too played with team members I didn't always get along with, for example Danny "fRoD" Montaner for my second year in Evil Geniuses. While his initial beef was with Jordan "n0thing" Gilbert in 2009, it gradually changed; during the second year of playing together, he even threatened to punch me during the grand final of ESEA Invite Season 6 Finals -- which we wound up winning. Over the next few days we also beat mousesports, BURNING and H2k, while taking a 16-1 map win versus Na`Vi in an ultimate loss. You don't need to be great friends to put up results.

Me and fRoD were friends prior to those arguments, and we are still friends now. In our case we ignored external issues for too long, and let them affect the entire team. Competition creates arguments as the pressure builds in teams, and sometimes different ways of approaching various situations can result in the same types of clashes. For example, earlier in my career it annoyed me when certain players shrugged off losses like they meant nothing, or chose to prioritize things such as watching the World Cup over preparing for a tournament.

However, my two most successful rosters - the 69N-28E team with me, my brother Niko "naSu" Kovanen, Max "ruuit" Aspe, Juuso "contE" Sajakoski and Joona "natu" Leppänen, and Evil Geniuses with fRoD, n0thing, Tyler "Storm" Wood and Ediz "goodfornothing" Basol - weren't teams built around friendships.

Though we'd have preferred to only have friends, or even just level headed individuals, on the rosters, the limited player pools in Finland and USA respectively stopped us from making changes. Few people know this, but in early 2010 fRoD was actually removed from EG for about a week, because n0thing refused to play with him -- right after we placed fourth at IEM World Championship, and won ESEA Invite Season 5 Finals.

After his removal we brainstormed for a some days but couldn't find a suitable candidate to replace our main AWPer, so we took him back and hoped things would be better. However, that didn't stop us from doing well -- in fact our best run, which included a 3rd place at Arbalet Cup Dallas and a win at MSI Beat It over fnatic, only began after that period.

In real sports the best example of friendship not trumping the game would be the early 2000's Lakers squad where Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal disliked each other so much they literally refused to pass each other the ball in the regular season. They still worked together in the playoffs, and won three championships in a row. It's not the only time either, as Bryant revealed in a recent Sports Illustrated article.

"Bryant sits back, letting the thoughts sit in the air for a moment. Then he continues. “It’s never easy, man. This s--- is hard. So when players look in the distance and see us winning championships and see us celebrating and having a good time, they think, ‘Oh, this is what leadership is, this is how you win, everyone gets along, we’re all buddy-buddy, we all hang out, blah, blah.’ ”

"Bryant shifts in his seat, leans forward. “No it’s not like that. You talk to Lamar [Odom], Adam Morrison. We were at each other’s throats every day. Challenging each other, confronting each other. That’s how it gets done. But that’s hard, because it’s uncomfortable, right? It’s uncomfortable.”

"From Kobe Bryant's Twilight Saga on SI.com"

Friendship is great, and it can help a team, but it's by no means necessary in a competitive setting. It's a luxury that is great to have - and when possible, there's no reason not to go for it - but not everyone can afford it.


natu replaced a closer friend, but made 69N-28E better 


How can friendship help teams?

The main thing friendship does for a team, based on my experience, is that if you have fun playing together, you will likely play more, which will lead to better results. Less whining during tournament play will also result in a better mood, and it's likely you might feel less pressure when playing with friends, or that you won't feel as down when losing.

For teams who travel extensively, it also makes the social part a lot more fun. If you have a good friend with you, traveling for twenty-some hours, sitting around at airports and killing extra days in places such as Hangzhou or Paris, won't all seem so bad. It's obvious that actually playing the matches is a miniscule part of each trip abroad for a tournament, and therefore having people you enjoy socializing with in your team will certainly make the experience of traveling a lot more fun.

Friendship can also lead to better team play, and generally trusting your teammates more in-game. You might feel more inclined to run into sites first as bait if you trust your friend to pick up the trade right after, and you won't mind taking on 'annoying' roles in strategies as much if you're at least in good company.

Is this enough to win games, though? I don't think so. Friendship can help teams who already have everything else, but friendship alone does not contain any superpowers that get instilled in teams and helps them perform above their capabilities. It's still the Counter-Strike skills on the server that decide the winners.


GeT_RiGhT wasn't a great fit socially early on in his career


Can friendship be detrimental to a team?

Based on my experience, I believe friendship can not only be helpful, but also detrimental to a team. Going as far back as my first competitive team wings, which then became Serious Gaming, we were a team made out of six friends, all of whom remain good friends to this day. After a period of nearly two years, people clearly grew complacent with how things were going, weren't ready to push each other and force others to try to improve, and no one wanted to complain about their friends.

It's understandable that you may not want to tell your good friend he isn't playing enough or that you believe he needs to put in some extra time on the CSDM server to sharpen up his aim. In situations similar to this, it can actually be detrimental to have good friends on the team. You don't want to complain about your friend, and you certainly don't want to remove him.

Another example from my career would be the removal of Toni "toNppa" Luhtapuro from 69N-28E in early 2007. I didn't want to remove him, though he was clearly the weakest player on our roster -- because he'd been playing with me for over a year, lived near me and was a good friend. However, contE forced our hand with the roster change, and it instantly made us better -- in fact, we peaked that spring and early summer with Duncan "Thorin" Shields considering us the world's best team at one point.

fnatic's 2007-2008 roster is also a good example. Carried by f0rest, that roster became the world's best overall in 2007 by being super consistent and winning enough medium-sized events, and continued winning tournaments in 2008, though by then they had grown much less consistent. That team was by all accounts a team composed of good friends, but in the end it was also a team in need of a change, and in all likelihood it was the friendships that held back the changes for as long as they did.


contE was the catalyst  behind most roster changes in Finland 


Can you remove friends and become more successful?

Aside from my own experience with replacing toNppa with natu and becoming more successful, a good example is the above mentioned fnatic team of 2007-2008. The team stuck with Oscar "Archi" Torgersen and Oskar "ins" Holm until the beginning of 2009, but they then added two youngsters, one of them considered socially awkward after his SK Gaming exit, and started one of the most dominant runs of all time in Counter-Strike.

In came GeT_RiGhT and Rasmus "Gux" Ståhl, and fnatic 2009 was born. Together the team ran through most of that year's events undefeated, and had probably the most dominant year by that point, topping all records for prize money. fnatic replaced good friends with more talented and hungry younger players, and it instantly paid dividends.

A few more recent examples also include both NiP stars. In early 2010 fnatic recruited Björn "THREAT" Pers - a good social fit to the team - to replace Gux. After less than satisfactory results for six months, the team undid the change, and became more successful again. At the end of that year more changes ensued, as fnatic were seemingly split into two camps with f0rest and GeT_RiGhT wanting to get rid of Harley "dsn" Örwall, while in-game leader and captain Patrik "cArn" Sättermon stuck by his long-time teammate's side.

Ultimately the now-NiP duo left fnatic to join SK Gaming, and while fnatic struggled throughout 2011 up until recruiting Gux and Michael "Friis" Jørgensen, SK Gaming did not. In SK f0rest and GeT_RiGhT teamed up with some very good players - such as Marcus "Delpan" Larsson, who has admitted to being a lousy teammate, showing up late to practice, if at all - and came within two rounds of being the best team of that year.

Now the worst argument I hear as counter to the friends versus talent lineup is that replacing an average skilled friend with a skilled douchebag won't work, often citing some team who has seemingly done that and failed. But why does the person you recruit have to be a douchebag for him to be more skilled? Why can't you add another good guy, such as natu in 69N-28E's case, who happens to fit the team as well?

Surely it won't help any team to add a super toxic player in the player's shoes who acts like the glue in the team. That's obvious. But you can replace a good guy, and even the glue, with another decent guy. There's no reason to assume no other good players exist, especially when considering the huge player pool of Sweden, in NiP's case.


Gux might not have been as good of a guy as Archi, but he made fnatic better 


What about NiP?

As we started this piece off with mentioning Fifflaren and NiP; how does this all tie back into NiP? Well, first of all, their star players f0rest and GeT_RiGhT have a history of making roster changes at the cost of friendship whenever they stopped winning. That time is not now, as NiP remain the world's best, but don't fool yourself into thinking they would simply allow themselves to go out of contention for the world best spot if their levels dropped off enough that the current roster simply wouldn't cut it.

It's always surprised me how GeT_RiGhT can be so accepting of his teammates. He is probably the hardest working Counter-Strike player alive, despite being the best. In sports, super competitive and hard-working players such as Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan were frustrated if they felt their teammates weren't putting in enough work. So how does GeT_RiGhT avoid that feeling?

Here is a guy who has been considered the best player in the world for nearly two years now, with a teammate who has only regressed in that same time period. Usually playing full-time on a real salary with better players, and against top level competition, helps you improve. However, if you've watched Fifflaren play extensively, or looked at his stats, you can see that he has actually worsened.

By all accounts in 2012 he was a valuable part of NiP's success and even contributed in the fragging department. From there on out it's been downhill, an evolution to which we see no end. His highest rating in an international tournament in 2014 is 0.96, and three out of eight times he has finished with a rating of sub-0.74.

To me it seems Fifflaren has a good mind for Counter-Strike, and with his extensive knowledge of NiP and its personnel, he could probably become the best coach there is in Counter-Strike. He could remain a part of the team in a supportive role, similar to Jonatan "Devilwalk" Lundberg in fnatic, and continue contributing with his intangibles while making room for a more skilled player.

One of the arguments against this is that f0rest would retire if Fifflaren quit. Considering him saying in an interview a few years ago that he hadn't graduated upper secondary school (i.e. high school) and he clearly enjoys the gamer life, it's hard to imagine that happening. Especially if Fifflaren stayed on as a coach -- a role he would seem like a great fit for, having been with NiP since the get-go and contributed in the strategical department.

It may not be worth taking a chance on a new player yet, as NiP still remain the world's best. However, their round record at ESL One Cologne was negative - 144 rounds won to 147 lost - which shows how unsustainable their current play is. If they drop out of contention for world's best, taking a chance on change wouldn't be impossible.

All this being said, I fully understand why they won't do it until they absolutely have to. But you're fooling yourself if you think no one in NiP would have thought about it, had they crashed out in the group stage, or the quarter-finals of ESL One Cologne.


NiP's winning formula doesn't seem sustainable


Friendship versus winning

Needless to say, it's not all so black and white. There's a case to be made for having fun, and there's definitely tons of people who would rather be top five in the world with good friends, than the world's best if that meant playing with people they didn't enjoy playing with. There's nothing wrong with that -- and that's important to remember. If a team decides that them sticking together is more important than the potential upside of better results, that's fine.

Not everyone is as competitive of Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan, but for the hardest working players competitiveness is  usually a strong trait. It's not easy putting in tons of work only to see your teammates slacking and having a good time, or even putting in tons of work only to think you as a team could be better with a different player. What it really comes down to - and this is the case for new players starting teams as well - is that you need five players who have a similar mindset, similar motivations and similar goals for the team.

A team won't be successful in the long run if players on it want different things. If two players want to play day and night to win, and three others would prefer to take it easy and see how far talent takes them, it's bound to end badly once you give that combination enough time. It's not easy to find five people who are on the same page, and if you do, it just might be worth keeping them. Unless you want to win at any cost.

fnatic with a quick talk before going live on de_dust2

Some prefer putting up with difficult personalities if it helps them win 


This was just a brief look at the different factors surrounding friendship in competitive Counter-Strike teams. It doesn't cover everything, and there are no absolute or correct answers.

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Denmark Michael 'Friis' Jørgensen
Michael 'Friis' Jørgensen
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
934
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.11
United States Danny 'fRoD' Montaner
Danny 'fRoD' Montaner
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.78
Maps played:
28
KPR:
0.56
DPR:
0.75
APR:
0.15
United States Tyler 'Storm' Wood
Tyler 'Storm' Wood
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.88
Maps played:
86
KPR:
0.59
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.13
Finland Joona 'natu' Leppänen
Joona 'natu' Leppänen
Age:
33
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.88
Maps played:
188
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.71
APR:
0.16
United States Jordan 'n0thing' Gilbert
Jordan 'n0thing' Gilbert
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
774
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.15
Sweden Jonatan 'Devilwalk' Lundberg
Jonatan 'Devilwalk' Lundberg
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.86
Maps played:
393
KPR:
0.58
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.16
Sweden Rasmus 'Gux' Ståhl
Rasmus 'Gux' Ståhl
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
41
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.13
Sweden Oskar 'ins' Holm
Oskar 'ins' Holm
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.00
Maps played:
0
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.00
APR:
0.00
Sweden Oscar 'Archi' Torgersen
Oscar 'Archi' Torgersen
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.00
Maps played:
0
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.00
APR:
0.00
Sweden Patrik 'cArn' Sättermon
Patrik 'cArn' Sättermon
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.73
Maps played:
1
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.10
APR:
0.00
Sweden Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg
Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg
Age:
30
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.13
Maps played:
1467
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.13
Sweden Harley 'dsn' Örwall
Harley 'dsn' Örwall
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.83
Maps played:
6
KPR:
0.53
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.13
Finland Juuso 'contE' Sajakoski
Juuso 'contE' Sajakoski
Age:
-
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.00
Maps played:
0
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.00
APR:
0.00
Poland Wiktor 'TaZ' Wojtas
Wiktor 'TaZ' Wojtas
Age:
32
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
1628
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.13
Finland Max 'ruuit' Aspe
Max 'ruuit' Aspe
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
10
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.76
APR:
0.21
Poland Jakub 'kuben' Gurczynski
Jakub 'kuben' Gurczynski
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
168
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.16
Finland Niko 'naSu' Kovanen
Niko 'naSu' Kovanen
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
220
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.15
Poland Mariusz 'Loord' Cybulski
Mariusz 'Loord' Cybulski
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
369
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.15
Poland Łukasz 'LUq' Wnek
Łukasz 'LUq' Wnek
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.00
Maps played:
0
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.00
APR:
0.00
Sweden Björn 'THREAT' Pers
Björn 'THREAT' Pers
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.80
Maps played:
50
KPR:
0.53
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
Poland Filip 'NEO' Kubski
Filip 'NEO' Kubski
Age:
31
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
1625
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.17
Sweden Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1496
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.15
Sweden Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
537
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.60
APR:
0.15
Finland Toni 'toNppa' Luhtapuro
Toni 'toNppa' Luhtapuro
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.00
Maps played:
0
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.00
APR:
0.00
Sweden Marcus 'Delpan' Larsson
Marcus 'Delpan' Larsson
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
154
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.12
United States Ediz 'goodfornothing' Basol
Ediz 'goodfornothing' Basol
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.00
Maps played:
0
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.00
APR:
0.00
#1
SZPERO | 
Poland jakbu 
n1
2014-09-14 17:31
Any word about Heaton vs fisker argument in 2004, which led to breakup of most successful roster of that period. It's instructive to learn about that.
2014-09-14 17:57
i was expecting a comment on that as well
2014-09-14 18:40
Maybe thoorin knows, he should write an article about it
2014-09-14 18:55
#269
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Australia BadmanWA 
I had a quick google and couldn't find any info. What happened?
2014-09-14 19:23
didnt know that.. what happened really ?
2014-09-14 19:55
this +1
2014-09-14 22:28
This is what I remember.. HeatoN brought in Hyper to SK and when they left SK to reform NiP because they were unhappy with the money bds was paying them, Hyper wanted to bring in his former teammate vilden (the 2 best players from EYEBALLERS) and fisker had peaked in his career and as a player and was beginning his downward slope. fisker at one point in time he was probably top2 player in the world but that was 2002/03. So HeatoN brings in vilden, Potti goes to 6th man and he tells fisker he can still be in NiP but he'll be 7th man and wont play a match (HeatoN Hyper SpawN ahl vilden, Potti 6th). fisker is too active to sit on the bench so he leaves (later gets recruited by NoA but never plays an official for them). NiP totally change their play style (become more of a bait and trade team), they have bad results and obviously the players become unhappy with how its all being managed and the team splits up and half go back to bds and want to join SK again and they bring fisker back while HeatoN stays on and ends his career in NiP. Basically HeatoN cut fisker and fisker got pissed. Maybe it was a backstab but a lot of these guys will do almost anything to win and fisker just got shafted.
2014-09-15 02:52
thanks
2014-09-15 09:15
Thanks, but how is that getting shafted? This community seems to believe that there is some kind of legitimate expectation to play with certain teams or players, and whenever someone gets cut, it's a "backstab". Or are people just spouting twitch memes?
2014-09-15 15:24
Probably because they had won multiple world titles together and been part of the most dominant CS team in history and HeatoN cuts him because Hyper wants to play with his ex-teammate. Thats basically a stab in the back. I mean if fiskers performance was like that of Fifflaren where there is a clear skill difference then maybe its justified but fisker was probably still a better player than vilden anyway and definitely better than ahl. It was purely politics and HeatoN basically severed a friendship to keep Hyper happy who I think was SK/NiP's IGL.
2014-09-15 16:02
That's right. We do not know.
2014-09-15 19:23
Interestig article but the hate on Fifflaren here is just too hard. It seems like you wrote the whole article just to encourage NiP to kick Fifflaren. PLEASE STOP THE HATERINO!
2014-09-14 18:36
+1
2014-09-14 19:31
I don't even care if Fiff is kicked or not but shit am I tired of Lurpis not being capable of writing a single article without just happening to mentioning how awesome it is to be an asshole and how great it would be if NIP just were assholes as well and kicked Fiff.
2014-09-14 19:32
+1 Lurpis single handily is tearing down fiffy by the annoying tweets from his twitter, to his article's on ESL cologne and now this. There's more things in CS to write about than this, and you didn't have to pick out names of current rosters. He could've totally avoided exposing the names and we would've had a good article about friendship vs. winning.
2014-09-14 20:07
#373
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
I honestly don't understand what lurppis is trying to achieve with these articles anymore. Anyone who has any interest in competitive cs already knows his position on this question whether they care about it or not, cos he keeps forcing it down everyone's throat like it's the most important thing in the whole scene. Then he keeps on banging his head against a wall trying to prove some unprovable point, as he himself stated at the end of the article.
2014-09-14 21:22
Neither me man. It's obvious Fiffy is lacking in skill and performance now, but as I wrote a few times before - stop that hate campaign.
2014-09-14 22:39
+1
2014-09-15 12:48
I'm surprised that it's September 2014 and he still feels the need to validate his existence with these pointless articles. Doesn't he have anything better to do?
2014-09-15 06:42
Why would he not write about the subject since there is a constant conversation going on about it? As for there being more things to write about, you should probably take a look at all the articles he has done in the past month before using this argument.
2014-09-15 04:51
#532
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Germany lpSykl 
+ over 9000
2014-09-15 12:02
I agree, that's where the article lost a lot of its quality.
2014-09-14 19:37
yeah and apart from that, the article is pretty useless really. as he stated in the last paragraph: cant see it all black and white. but he didnt get the connection to the whole: different players have different personalities. for some, friendship is important to be able to get good results, to others it may be rather negative. to some, friendship is not important but there is this one friend on the team thats still really important, blablabla. its useless. nobody is gonna argue that nip would consider a roster change if they started really falling behind and thats the only fair statement i got out of the article. thanks lurpiss, but i had already figured. other than that just another stupid article that fiff can laugh about while cracking open a beer. nobody outside of nip gets to have an opinion thats gonna be valued by the team itself. so just cut it already, we know fiff banged lurpiss' mom.
2014-09-14 21:03
i fucking hate lurppis
2014-09-14 23:25
Not true.
2014-09-15 07:17
#238
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Luxembourg st470 
fifflaren gud stahp
2014-09-14 18:42
WOW. WHen lurpis said that twitter and hltv are two different things i kinda believed in him. If he can keep hate for fiff from his work - great. Well we can all see that lurppis is not professional enough. You can make statements that its not only about fiffy, but anyone with power of logic, or reason can see right through lurps bullshit. No invite to major well deserved
2014-09-14 19:40
#534
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Germany lpSykl 
He just jelly cause his teams sucked and NiP are Friends AND Top1.
2014-09-15 12:09
another flame on fiffy :( lurppis stop it please
2014-09-14 21:02
The amount of "I, Me, I won, I did, I was" characterizes the writer as self centred and more concerned about exalting his own persona than actually anything else.
2014-09-14 23:10
It is fine, he is drawing from personal experiences. But as I said earlier, this piece would be better as a blog than as a newspost. Why does he not use the blog section?
2014-09-15 15:29
Yah this isn't really newsworthy. Just lurrpis whining about fifty... Again...
2014-09-15 16:55
n1
2014-09-14 17:32
Just like ScreaM lacking performance with Titan. Sorry 4 comment.
2014-09-19 18:50
NP
2014-09-19 19:07
Nice, an entire article about fifflaren.
2014-09-14 17:32
:D
2014-09-14 17:40
#115
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Portugal krypz0n 
Lurppis can you ever change the subject
2014-09-14 17:55
Lurppis spends 100% of his time trying to prove himself right about something. Last few months (or perhaps years) its been -fifflaren.
2014-09-14 18:08
#270
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Australia BadmanWA 
He mad 'cos he bad
2014-09-14 19:23
hes 100% rigth though, i would never say it the way he does, but im glad someone talks about the elephant in the room
2014-09-14 19:54
+1
2014-09-15 17:14
not nice
2014-09-14 17:32
#7
Portugal kwelo 
Leave Fiffy alone!
2014-09-14 17:32
#8
Estonia 2026 
Dem articles by luppis. Nice.
2014-09-14 17:32
joelz learn to play bro stop posting :)
2014-09-14 17:32
#10
Belarus 4rz 
Well... No Na'Vi no post :) JK :) n1 post :)
2014-09-14 17:33
#12
zehN | 
Finland ludiMacak 
so basically this says -fiffy +any better player ?
2014-09-14 17:33
if you had actually read the article it says that it is inevitable if NiP starts loosing.
2014-09-14 17:56
And we really need an article for that? Doesnt everybody, including nip/fiffy know that? This article is as useless and toxic as lurpis, he just wants the klicks thru the fifflaren hate.
2014-09-14 18:51
This article would have held a lot more validity before ems but it shall only serve as a reminder once NiP starts to fail which they shall. People will then raise the friendship argument which this article shall counter. The only thing i can say it this article is a little too late/Premature.
2014-09-14 19:03
how is something too late and premature and once? and what does it have to do with this article, what is this article to late or premature for? i dont understand.
2014-09-14 19:59
Ignore his comment, he obviously is retarded.
2014-09-14 20:12
?
2014-09-14 20:40
He's saying that it's the wrong time for the article, since NiP *just* won a major. If they go out of the next one in groups, then write this article.
2014-09-14 20:27
Losing*
2014-09-15 15:31
It is both: 1. Since Nip won EMS therefore it is too late. It should have been released when they were struggling. 2. It is premature since in future we see them failing. Hope this clears it. Or else consider me retarded.
2014-09-14 20:42
ahh that makes sense, thank you.
2014-09-14 20:52
#122
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Czech Republic GzzM 
*+any other player :P
2014-09-14 17:57
well, no. not even remotely.
2014-09-14 18:00
There is only one certain sign that there will be Fifflaren hate in a HLTV article. It's that the article is written by lurppis.
2014-09-14 17:34
Joelz make me dinner!
2014-09-14 17:34
"With Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson being constantly criticized for poor performances[...]" - Mainly by whom? Just asking.
2014-09-14 17:34
#37
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Germany pr9ud 
+1
2014-09-14 17:40
+2
2014-09-14 17:45
by almost everyone on HLTV.org perhaps?
2014-09-14 17:45
Everyone? There are like 3 times more people defending Fiff than actually bashing him, the main one is Lurppis.
2014-09-14 17:47
it was a bit of a stretch, yes. just wait untill NiP play a match and voila, its raining -fifflaren threads
2014-09-14 17:51
right on point :) it is embarrassing to read these so called articles by lurppis. It is easy to find basis for kicking every single player in a team.
2014-09-14 17:57
This. We could kick the world as far as I know. :D
2014-09-14 18:02
+10
2014-09-14 17:57
There are also 3 times more bad people on this site than decent, let alone good. A lot of bad players actually believe Fifflaren is a good player (relatively seen), which is just a huge joke.
2014-09-14 19:43
he IS a good player. as u said there are too many retards on this site. they are same people who were -loord and -ceh9 in 1.6
2014-09-16 00:15
How can a counterstrike player be good if he cant even aim or move properly?
2014-09-16 00:28
how can a bad player like you judge on his aim/movements. its hard to aim when your role is to eat all the flashes in order to other mates to just come and kill. its the same as ceh9 and loord/kuben in 1.6
2014-09-16 01:36
I'm actually pretty decent. Apart from that, your argument has no grounds as Fifflaren also has a hugely hard time killing people, that are not flashing him, nor are looking at him. He hardly frags at all (also as a ct and he gets easy angles on t), and the frags that he does get are mostly anti-eco frags. It's not hard to aim while you're holding an easy angle and somebody walks into your crosshair. For Fifflaren it for some reason is.
2014-09-16 01:50
#326
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Bulgaria b0xeR4et0 
-fiffy +good guy sjokz
2014-09-14 20:09
90% of HLTV users have said in past six months at least once "-fifflaren +xxxx" or havent expressed their mind, but still think so. People just defend Fifflaren in this thread, because they cannot agree with Lurppis. What Lurppis said is absolutely 100% true and time will show that. This article, by the way, is logically sound, there is no arguing. Its not hate to speak up the truth. That same truth can be seen every month in cs:go when teams change rosters, mostly for better. Fanatic being the latest example.
2014-09-15 10:13
Gotta love how people make up statistics out of their hat on HLTV.
2014-09-15 10:20
Gotto love how people cant see the point behind an argument. I stated percentage to clarify the magnitude of my argument, not be have empirical evidences to support the exact amount (I would have provided url otherwise)
2014-09-15 16:49
community, thooorin and lurppis
2014-09-14 17:52
So the opinion of the few now constitutes as the opinion of the 'community' now?
2014-09-14 18:01
lurppis and thoorin are the only analyst in the cs scene and they both criticized fifflaren + 90% of the community share the same opinion and 10% defend fifflaren and those are reddits kids and idiots who say can you help to become Global I'm DMG
2014-09-14 18:15
They're not the only people capable of analysing professional counter-strike and just because they're considered the two most knowledgable - or atleast the two most well-known - 'cs analysts' doesn't mean every one of their opinions on CS is to be taken as gospel. Also you are pulling percentages out of your arsehole in an attempt to try and justify your silly little statement. Infact, 99% of posters think Fifflaren is a Counter-strike god who is the secret to NiP's success due to him being genetically modified from the genes of Fatal1ty, potti and SpawN (hence his swag) - see what I did there? "...10% defend fifflaren and those are reddits kids and idiots who say can you help to become Global I'm DMG" That's borderline unintelligible.
2014-09-14 18:35
good job man, making fun of someone's grammar on an international site. really backs up your argument.
2014-09-14 19:36
I don't see him talking about grammar at all?
2014-09-14 19:44
I'm not making fun of his grammar though. I didn't insult him or say his English was bad either. I just pointed out that I couldn't fully understand what he was trying to say at the end of his post and so I couldn't respond properly to his well-structured, logical and astutely observed argument. He could be drunk for all I know.
2014-09-14 21:49
rekt spart best
2014-09-14 22:17
Most pro players that you talk to would echo the same things Lurppis is saying. Really only the noobs, which there are A LOT of here on Hltv and especially reddit, are the ones who disagree. It's funny too because I haven't seen a single person who disagrees with Lurppis' analysis actually come up with anything that's even remotely rational to back up their opinion.
2014-09-15 08:19
Oh so you spoken to all the pro players and drawn up a pie chart on those who think fifflaren is shit at csgo? Lol fuck off you cretin. To be fair, I don't think your opinion matters on the people who disagree with lurpiss as you use the word 'noob' without any irony. I've been playing cs for 11 years, and know many others who have been playing for a similar amount of time who would also disagree with lurpiss' viewpoint. I'm not surprised that you haven't seen a rational response to lurpiss' obbsessive ranting on fifflaren as I don't believe you have the capacity to read, let alone comprehend, the varying counter arguments found in this thread alone.
2014-09-15 12:40
You can play CS for 11 years and still be awful. The fact you think tenure means anything makes me think you probably are just another mindless noob. Ask anyone who's good, if you have their contact. Everyone I talked to thought that Fifflaren was bad. Steel refused to comment on him while shoutcasting for ESL Cologne, because he knew he'd be flamed by the noobs (i.e. you). VP were laughing at Fifflaren in Katowice. Lurppis mentions that the pro scene agrees with him. What reason would the pro scene have to come out in public to support Lurppis anyway? All they'd do is piss NiP off and make themselves look bad after losing to them.
2014-09-16 12:50
It would take too much time to deconstruct the dribble you have typed here and point out the multiple reasons why your 'argument' (it's barely an argument) is weak at best. So I'll leave you with a line that's on your level: lol fifflaren is no noob, ur a noob, noob.
2014-09-16 16:24
It'd be cool if you could find ten top players who would go on the record in agreeing with lurppis' analysis (borderline obsessive abuse) of Fifflaren.
2014-09-15 15:11
ahaha so true brudi :)
2014-09-14 19:14
2014-09-14 19:55
By Lurpiss
2014-09-14 17:57
its true so its deserved
2014-09-14 18:00
So if someone is mentally retarded, they deserve to be called retards?
2014-09-14 18:51
terrible comparison
2014-09-14 19:15
yes
2014-09-15 11:11
Be everyone
2014-09-14 18:08
hltv.org/?pageid=247&playerid=7147&event.. who doesnt criticize is a retard nip fanboy
2014-09-14 18:51
+1
2014-09-15 03:51
+1
2014-09-15 06:44
+1 hahahaha
2014-09-14 22:16
Rekt
2014-09-15 06:41
+1 (go fuck yourself lurppis you bitter cunt)
2014-09-15 11:18
fiffy>world
2014-09-14 17:34
Fiffy>universe
2014-09-14 18:09
n1
2014-09-14 17:35
Michael Jordan not Jackson lol
2014-09-14 17:36
Jackson best hardworker ezpz
2014-09-14 17:44
lurppis is back 8D
2014-09-14 17:36
Still NiP has been in all the Major finals, even due to "poor performance" by fiffy.
2014-09-14 17:36
yeah why would they change anything right now lol.. maybe in the future.
2014-09-14 17:37
yup, I mean, sure, if they would start falling out in groups etc, a roster change could be needed. But they are working it now.
2014-09-14 17:38
Because lurppis is blind?
2014-09-14 17:41
+100
2014-09-14 17:51
"All this being said, I fully understand why they won't do it until they absolutely have to. "
2014-09-14 18:06
"Sunrays -fifflaren pls"
2014-09-14 18:19
but won tournaments only when higher force is on nip side (valve, home crowd etc.)
2014-09-14 18:09
What kinda silly comment is that? when did valve ever favored nip and helped them out?? - Besides that, nip is swedish, ofcouse they have a crowd on their homesoil, wouldn't anything else be weird?
2014-09-14 19:57
rofl :D so wrong
2014-09-14 20:07
Enlighten me please.
2014-09-14 20:11
"Movie: Iron man 3" never, u r hopeless
2014-09-14 20:22
I see, typical murican.
2014-09-14 21:04
He is american. Dont argue with... it, dont reason with it, just let it be, it will die eventually.
2014-09-14 21:03
Yea i guess.. :)
2014-09-14 21:04
#348
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Hungary adzeii 
when nip knew about cbble and the other shit map being forced on Colonge before any other teams did and god knows what else
2014-09-14 20:41
Are you using IE? it is years ago since we actually found out that they did NOT knew about them. If you can't provide valid real proof of that shit, it makes it invaliable.
2014-09-14 21:04
They have invited them to test new changes
2014-09-14 21:32
Wow, so like everyone else they could download the map before it was applied to majors?
2014-09-14 22:12
No they were invited to Valve HQ to test things like the new guns etc. Fucking kid
2014-09-14 22:22
Wow, what an advantage!
2014-09-14 23:04
Did I say it was? I was just saying what happened.
2014-09-15 01:06
Why are you responding on a comment which has no fucking relevance to the topic whatsoever?
2014-09-15 01:07
Pot. Kettle. Black.
2014-09-15 01:09
I see, the average iq of a brit.
2014-09-15 01:11
Sorry but you ask me why I am responding, yet you continue to do so as well? Do you have special needs? I'm certain my IQ is higher than yours thanks.
2014-09-15 01:20
*Clap Clap*
2014-09-15 01:24
"What is your I.Q.? I have no idea. People who boast about their I.Q. are losers." - Stephen Hawking.
2014-09-15 16:45
By: lurppis no surprises. With Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson being constantly criticized for poor performances 90% by you. the argument fans often stick to in his defense is that friendship trumps everything in CS:GO, Seems to be true and not only by fans, just by people with a bit of brains. tl;dr
2014-09-14 17:37
..and by about 80% of cs players
2014-09-14 17:39
...While at the same time they win ESL 250k...
2014-09-14 17:40
did you watch the games? without cobble they might have had a groupexit
2014-09-14 18:17
They might, or might not. Who knows? Nice argument ;)
2014-09-14 21:04
sickening retard post, why haven't you deleted it yet?
2014-09-14 21:20
#76
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World nouman 
All the teams are hoping fifflaren doesnt retire, NiP would just be unstoppable with a better player
2014-09-14 17:47
yeh.. lurppis is right. but at the same time they just won their first major, so it seems kind of pointless even talking about it. they are still capable of beating any top team on LAN 4v5. why not have a good time and win with your friends? lurppis wasting his time defending his tweets after the backfire, but it resulted in an interesting article anyway. i cant complain, i enjoyed it. a better argument to replacing fiff would be the value they lost in losing some of the small tournaments before ESL that they could have won with a more powerful lineup. but at the same time, it was GTR performing poorly then. maybe GTR and the others dont feel confident in replacing fiff when they know that they themselves aren't performing at a top level? maybe after a bad run of losing when it isn't GTRs fault will give them the motivation to change the lineup
2014-09-14 17:55
#242
United Kingdom QNo 
good post, +1
2014-09-14 18:49
Of course every team joins the dont-hate-fifflaren-train. For them he is a vital part of their gaming income.
2014-09-14 18:41
gj lurppis
2014-09-14 17:37
I saw the first sentence and decided to ask in comments if this is actually worth reading, can anyone help?
2014-09-14 17:38
Not really. Just lurppis trying to paint up something else over his fiffy hate.
2014-09-14 17:39
Just giving example of teams that worked well putting the 'friend things apart' and kicking some players and he concluded by saying a change would do no harm to NiP, and Fifflaren would be a great fit as a coach for what he brings to the team and his tactical mind.
2014-09-14 17:46
Thanks :) Doesn't seem that interesting to me and is probably biased in places considering lurpiss' personal opinions.
2014-09-14 18:25
#200
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Germany pr9ud 
basically its "bla bla bla bla bla i wasnt friends with many teammates but we ruled the world.... bla bla bla bla fiffy should be coach....bla bla bla bla i do understand that they keep him PERIOD"
2014-09-14 18:18
Not worth reading, just a bunch of shitty comparisons to make lurppis look like less of an idiot :)
2014-09-14 19:59
Again and again with the Nip story, give it a break, seems the more you criticize the worse he gets, how about some cheering for a change.
2014-09-14 17:38
"In sports, super competitive and hard-working players such as Kobe Bryant and Michael Jackson" Michael Jackson be mad
2014-09-14 17:39
He can get pretty pissed when he doesn't get his thriller.
2014-09-14 17:52
#505
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Slovakia kubiaxk 
ahhha :DDDD
2014-09-15 09:52
Lurppis has such a hard on for writing stuff about Fiffy
2014-09-14 17:40
#Stiffy4Fiffy
2014-09-15 03:39
"By: lurppis" "being criticized for poor performances" :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2014-09-14 17:40
the phrase "beating a dead horse" comes to mind.
2014-09-14 17:41
knew it was lurppis just by the headline lel
2014-09-14 17:41
:D
2014-09-14 19:59
+1 also knew it would be a pointless article that only serves to bash fiffy
2014-09-15 19:26
lurppis is so mad because he was the Fifflaren in EG but got sacked right away.
2014-09-14 17:41
+1
2014-09-15 19:01
This thing become to more serious. I dont see anything bad in 5 friends play together this game. I will read this now, but from what i see, another anti fiffy thread.
2014-09-14 17:42
I dont understand how HLTV-crew can be so fucking retarded that they still keep this guy writing articles and other shit. Lurppis have nothing else to do here but bash Fifflaren all day long.
2014-09-14 17:42
^ this
2014-09-14 17:45
+1 it gets so borring.
2014-09-14 18:07
+1 he's so shit on camera the only shtick he has working on is writing shit on twitter.
2014-09-14 19:30
+1
2014-09-14 20:00
+1
2014-09-14 22:46
O´really? I think Lurppis´ articles about tournament formats, etc are pretty much only articles that I read. Rest are just cover of "what happened". If he wants to take a stand (like 90% of people here does), he is free to do so. Here he backed up his opinions with facts, logic and history. Maybe we dont agree, but no need to read if not interested.
2014-09-15 10:18
And here we go,another finnish kid who hate NiP so everything lurppis does is pure magic.
2014-09-15 13:30
Dude, Im like a granpa in here :) I just liked his articles, even thou I dont agree on everything. He brings valid points to the table, gives ideas and ways to interpret/analyse different aspects. I dont honestly read any other than Lurppis´ articles, not because being fan-boy but most articles are rather news of what has happened or interviews (nothing wrong with those, just not interested of them). Love Thorin as well. I think he is complicated personality as is Lurppis. Do I agree all the time? Def. no, but they do analyse well and provide robust arguments. I love that, it makes me think and want to de-bunk them if possible.
2014-09-15 16:56
+1
2014-09-15 19:02
omg lurrpis are you serious. again and again and now an official post about the same stupid topic. fifflaren isn't kicked because he fullfills a certain role in the team. friendship is just another point. another retarded post by a less than mediocre player
2014-09-14 17:42
#89
sancz | 
United States nelluc 
this exactly, this whole article is fucking stupid, if fiffy got the boot the whole team would struggle as a whole this games about synergy and wins, period, stop trying to base fiffy off his individual stats
2014-09-14 17:49
100% Agree - lurrpis knows that his only place in the professional scene is writing pointless articles since he'd get rekt if he ever tried playing again.
2014-09-15 06:51
#47
Petra | 
World forbii 
great read, but the discrimination of fifflaren is NOT needed, lurrpis.
2014-09-14 17:42
Before entering this article "This is probably about fifflaren" After entering this article "knew it"
2014-09-14 17:43
+1
2014-09-14 17:44
ofc that faggot lurpiss comes whining about fiffy again rofl
2014-09-14 17:43
ban by lurppis inc.
2014-09-15 16:54
Holy fuck you need a new hobby mate. An entire 'article' as an excuse just so you can rehash what you've already said about the NiP lineup? Accept it, your opinions mean dick to them, you don't matter - get over yourself. fs...
2014-09-14 17:44
So fucking true. He is such an immature little child that he dedicates himself to simply protecting his ego, and try to prove himself right. Thus he writes a fucking huge article solely to defend his fucking tweets, because if the backlash he got from it. He doesn't really care about fifflaren, he cares about feeling important and making sure people think he is right.
2014-09-15 03:07
His time is over - nobody cares about a washed up ex semi-pro who couldn't get 3 rounds on any top level team in the scene today.
2014-09-15 06:52
+1
2014-09-15 09:33
+1
2014-09-15 03:23
The 180 no scope is real, there's more hate and criticism on this thread for lurrpis on this thread than there's for fifflaren, no surprises.
2014-09-14 17:44
Lel +1
2014-09-14 18:10
+1
2014-09-15 06:48
lol tomi going ham <3
2014-09-14 17:44
#55
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France FuryO 
Good article
2014-09-14 17:44
It doesn't cover everyything everything*
2014-09-14 17:44
Good article :D:D HAHA :D:D
2014-09-14 17:45
While NiP place well at big lans, there's no need to change anything. When they start actually losing, changes will come on their own.
2014-09-14 17:45
nope... Poor reading.. 0/10
2014-09-14 17:45
tl;dr
2014-09-14 17:45
care?
2014-09-15 10:20
am i the only one just reading the text under the pics?^^
2014-09-14 17:45
Same. But after i read txt. About your previos comment, tl;dr Lurppis strikes again on fiffy
2014-09-14 17:49
The fuck? Lurppis, you seem to have the ability to write pages and pages about topics which can be summed up in 10 sentences.
2014-09-14 17:45
soon to be: Lurppis starts politics.
2014-09-14 17:46
#69
arch | 
Ukraine arch 
amazing thread, ty lurppis!
2014-09-14 17:46
stfu lurrpis... Srsly,why do you still got an hangup on fifflaren.. grow up plz! we know you dont have any friends thats why you write this shit!
2014-09-14 17:46
does not having any friends even matter? if anything it probably makes your points more valid because you worry less about the "feelings" of people around you, and more about the actual truth.
2014-09-15 06:49
lurrpis is in love with fiffy, but he doesnt know how to deal with the feelings yet, so he act like a 10 year old boy and denies it;)
2014-09-15 19:16
This is too much focused on fifflaren.. Seriously indicating GeT_RiGhT's "teammates" (fifflaren) are slacking and GeT_RiGhT the hardworking one.. Why wouldn't he put up more CSGO proffesionals then fifflaren? This is becoming like lurppis' twitter now, which it shouldn't.
2014-09-14 17:46
I really appreciate the effort lurppis is putting into his hltv-articles but those constant sidehits against Fifflaren...I doubt this would change even if Fifflaren finishes the next Major Tournament with the most frags overall...than lurppis prolly critize Fiffys lack of support and team play *trololol*
2014-09-14 17:49
+1
2014-09-14 19:49
last 2 lines wont happen even in a parallel universe
2014-09-15 00:16
"It's always surprised me how Alesund can be so accepting of his teammates. He is probably the hardest working Counter-Strike player alive, despite being the best. In sports, super competitive and hard-working players such as Kobe Bryant and MICHAEL JACKSON were frustrated if they felt their teammates weren't putting in enough work. So how does Alesund avoid that feeling?" When did Michael Jackson start playing csgo?
2014-09-14 17:46
He faked his death to focus on his CS career
2014-09-14 17:48
What team does he play in tho?
2014-09-14 17:50
#340
Vietnam hcd 
Jackson5
2014-09-14 20:29
Sweet -nip +jackson5
2014-09-14 21:53
About fucking time for you to stop the Fifflaren topics, Lurppis.
2014-09-14 17:46
This.... Stop with your obcession this is now ridiculous
2014-09-14 17:53
+1 Lurppis is a dick.
2014-09-14 17:58
we all know because of who and why this article was written.. :)
2014-09-14 17:48
lurppis s1ck article again, nice work man !
2014-09-14 17:48
*kappa*
2014-09-14 19:50
this article is a fuckin joke...
2014-09-14 17:48
#83
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Germany Bongskie 
Lurppis is BACK BABY! :D
2014-09-14 17:49
tl;dr lurppis still hates fiffy
2014-09-14 17:49
Michael Jackson...
2014-09-14 17:49
beat me to it :(
2014-09-14 17:49
just beat it!
2014-09-15 03:51
Also 'Not everyone is as competitive of* Kobe Bryant or Michael Jordan' Should be 'as' instead of 'of'.
2014-09-14 21:26
Michael Jackson :D
2014-09-14 17:49
Lurppis are you dumb? You are the one critising Fifflaren, you were supposed to be an expert but you can never see what he does for the team. Please get a new job, a guy who never knew anything about teamplay and CS could write a better article. This is fucking sad.
2014-09-14 17:50
#140
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World nouman 
Fifflaren has and will always be a WEAKLINK in nip, you are in denial and ignorant if you cannot accept that. This article is about how NiP can use fifflaren better to their strengths in other areas like coaching. It seems so wrong to see such a huge discrepancy in skill in the best team in the world.
2014-09-14 17:59
It just shows you know nothing about teamplay and abou the game. Want me to teach you?
2014-09-14 22:19
LOL
2014-09-15 06:51
The more I watch NIP, more assured I am that Fifflaren is on his way out. He is not just up to the par and rest of the CS:GO world is going past him left and right. NIP actually lost more round than won last tournament. Thats a statement on it own.
2014-09-15 10:23
LOL
2014-09-15 06:51
oh the fan is mad.. ;)
2014-09-15 09:40
Good read =P Shows many sides to this topic.
2014-09-14 17:50
LOL! Funniest troll in the entire thread XD
2014-09-14 17:54
If you ignore the Fifflaren shittalking (which is justified) and the stupid Michael Jackson metaphors it is =D Too bad you're just a retarded HLTV troll
2014-09-14 17:56
Blind fanboyism...
2014-09-14 18:05
Fanboyism? Who am I fanboying here? :DDDD
2014-09-14 18:08
Yes you are a blind fanboy
2014-09-14 21:34
you cant be serious
2014-09-15 11:15
2/10
2014-09-15 14:37
esportsearnings.com/players/3288-fifflar.. check fifflarens results 2012 - 2013 - 2014 with NiP and please tell me why they would need to change anything right now...
2014-09-14 17:50
Because that number could be at least $20k more if Fifflaren had played better?
2014-09-14 17:53
Or maybe $20k less if they had disbanded without Fifflaren?
2014-09-14 17:55
So if they replaced fifflaren they would have won $20k more? im not sure its that easy.. its about the overall dynamic of the team etc.. but hey maybe NiP should try the old Astana Dragons lineup with 5 mad fraggers that worked out well!
2014-09-14 17:56
I think the 'ole 5 mad fragger thing worked out pretty well for dignitas, VP, fnatic. The weakest fraggers on those three teams (pronax, FeTiSh) are still better than Fifflaren and also serve the IGL role. At least try to use your brain and think of a counter-example before posting nonsense.
2014-09-15 08:33
could could could, what is up with all these retard arguments? do you really think so low about the other teams.
2014-09-14 21:24
But prop thats wrong, why would the change a player after 2 years and take in a new 1? Breaking down a 2 year five man team is like playing without sound and communication.
2014-09-14 22:21
Ya HR Is winning everything after adding 5 Star players. Can you please give some examples of team dominating with all star players ?? I think of Fnatic Navi Sk all have 3-4 fragers and 1-2 support player.
2014-09-15 17:38
The article says there is no point changing as long as Nip is winning but one that changes replacing fiffy is inevitable.
2014-09-14 17:59
Yeah lurppis became quiet when NiP won ESL Cologne and now hes back and talks about "changes later on" kinda sad lol. but yeah atleast we know why twitter.com/lurppis_/status/495908091091..
2014-09-14 18:04
It isn't. Such critics only make the community beter and more consolidated. Such arguments help the community evolve. And any sane man can see the reason behind his arguments. All he must do is just state his argument rather than constantly reiterating it. Frankly, his twitter is his personal space for people who want to know his personal opinion. NO point of citing his status. He can say anything on his twitter.
2014-09-14 18:08
Well said.
2014-09-14 19:37
Max asshole lvl reached.
2014-09-14 17:51
i don't know why, but i laughed for a full minute at this comment
2014-09-15 17:42
great article
2014-09-14 17:52
give up this obsession
2014-09-14 17:53
Very interesting thread :)
2014-09-14 17:55
n1ce
2014-09-14 17:53
When will lurpiss write another article that isn't about why NiP should kick Fifflaren?
2014-09-14 17:53
"With Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson being constantly criticized..." yeah and most of that is from you Lurpiss
2014-09-14 17:53
#176
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World nouman 
i think fifflaren is bad csgo player. You can count me in too
2014-09-14 18:08
No, I can't, as that is a whole different category of stupid. I doubt Lurpiss believes Fifflaren is a bad CS:GO player, instead that he is just not up to par with the level of skill found in the rest of the team. You on the other hand thinking that Fifflaren is a 'bad csgo player' and thus 'bad at playin cs:go' is a very embarrassing opinion.
2014-09-14 18:18
#230
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World nouman 
"instead that he is just not up to par with the level of skill found in the rest of the team" his not up to par with the level of skill found in the top 3-4 teams at the very least and its just a joke to see his level of skill in the world best csgo team. He may not be a bad csgo player but he very well is a liability in a team that looks to maintain world no.1 spot
2014-09-14 18:38
And yet they're number #1 in the world and have been for most of CS:GO's competitive existence. Fifflaren is a good competitive counter-strike player playing alongside arguably the best competitive counter-strike players of all time. The result of this is that some, mostly the reactionary and the childish, deem him a bad csgo player when in reality, it's more complex than that, to the point where I can't be arsed in explaining why there will always be a weak-link in a teambased game that also requires superb individual skill in competitive play. To finish, if he's a liability, he's probably the most desirable liability in the history of competitive counter-strike and it's obvious why. I think I'll leave it here as we appear to think very differently on this matter, so I'll just agree to disagree.
2014-09-14 19:00
you should read this lurppis&#8207;@lurppis_ I am now officially starting the @alluCSGO to NiP for Fifflaren -bandwagon. Hop on guys, there's room for everyone! lurppis@lurppis_ · 3. aug. .@Biathlo @alluCSGO doesn't have mad swedish skills - he speaks a little - but he'll learn swedish faster than fifflaren learns csgo twitter.com/lurppis_/status/495908091091..
2014-09-15 21:05
#202
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Germany pr9ud 
nobody talks about the weak links in other teams... only bashing fifflaren, kind of sad and frustrating in my opinion :(
2014-09-14 18:19
#110
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Denmark jjh 
H@H@H@H@H@H@H@H@H Michael Jackson? hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah OMFG LMFAO did you mean Michael Jordan? hahahahahahahhaahaha jesus cant stop laughing
2014-09-14 17:54
haha
2014-09-14 18:01
hahahahahaha
2014-09-14 18:04
This is just sad lurpis, your own bragging news, when you fucking sucked yourself. Fiffy is great ;)
2014-09-14 17:54
this guy, lurpiss always writes long posts and he never has a valid point.
2014-09-14 17:54
+1
2014-09-15 18:57
we get u want nip to change fiffy getting kinda boring now
2014-09-14 17:56
And he's back with another article bashing on Fifflaren. Man you seriously are obsessed, get a new hobby.
2014-09-14 17:57
+1
2014-09-15 18:57
In some way its true =] imagine -fiffy +olaf that would be a new era of NiP
2014-09-14 17:57
That would Destroy NIP . They have Very good Composition going on.
2014-09-15 17:40
Lurppis, I think you may need to hire an editor or better review your features before you post them. Your grammar, or lack of, is distracting. Grammatical errors or poor syntax is typically understandable in a news piece when you're perhaps trying to break a story or get the information out as fast as you've received it or even perhaps when you're communicating with your readers in the comments section but for a feature like this, it's unacceptable, unprofessional and most importantly, difficult to read. Run on sentences, misplaced commas in some places, missing commas in others and your syntax is a mess. It's difficult to read and I find myself going back line-by-line to edit as I read. Not to mention there's just some things you say that don't come across too well. For example, "In real sports the best example of friendship not ..." implies that Counter-Strike, or the larger competitive gaming, is "fake" sports, if not at least illegitimate by comparison.
2014-09-14 17:57
I often wonder how long it takes you to proof read your comments prior to pressing, 'post'? I suspect it would prove most problematic had you done so only to find you had included an error yourself :)
2014-09-14 18:01
Did you proofread yours before posting it? He might haunt you till the end of days kappa
2014-09-14 18:03
I don't struggle with criticism, I'm very used to it by now :D
2014-09-14 18:06
I'm just suprised, that you were allowed to post this here.. You are worse than these HLTV kids.
2014-09-14 17:57
agree
2014-09-14 17:58
+1
2014-09-15 21:13
lurpis go home
2014-09-14 17:57
I, myself, liked the article. Although it bashes Fifflaren (what do you expect, lurppis wrote it), it does have a point and it was a good read after all. Still... dude, leave Fiffy alone, focus on other things.
2014-09-14 17:57
Lurppis...stop emberassing yourself.
2014-09-14 17:58
I think Fiffy fucked Lurpis' girl and that's why he's got it out for him.
2014-09-14 17:58
+1 "i'm leaving you for a REAL CS player Lurppis!" *fifflaren walks in*
2014-09-15 17:44
2014-09-14 17:58
#157
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World nouman 
hltv.org/?pageid=181&eventid=1444&gameid.. Yeah hes a fucking deserving champion alright
2014-09-14 18:04
These are just numbers.
2014-09-14 18:05
for every inbred idiot out there who thinks this is the stats from everyone at the lan, this is solely from the playoffs. lots of people were way worse than him.
2014-09-14 18:08
#199
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World nouman 
"lots of people were way worse than him" so that justifies him being at the bottom? He is a member of the best csgo team in the world and if you have to fucking say "lots of people were way worse than him anyway" to defend him just shows you how incapable he is as a player.
2014-09-14 18:18
Not wanting to add flame to the fire but holy hell! His K/D is -72 which about double as the next worse (-37 pronax). Stats are not everything, but this is overwhelming :)
2014-09-15 17:01
great job lurppisiieeeeee
2014-09-14 17:59
haha lurppis we should have a PJSalt emote on hltv just for you.
2014-09-14 17:59
NiP won a major less then a month ago and lurppis still uses "Friendship versus winning" with bold text. Lurppis suffers from amnesia confirmed
2014-09-14 18:01
#148
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Denmark jjh 
lol all those mad kids defending fifflaren shoud READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE. fifflaren is definetely a good guy, but i agree with lurppis on points he made in this post.
2014-09-14 18:01
Had it been the only one posted, then sure. However, since it comes after a shit load of similar nonsense, it comes across as just another excuse to use HLTV as a forum for his own (unwanted) opinions that have so far been ignored. Fuck if I was a pro team manager I would be inclined to do everything I could just to avoid making any decision that might somehow suggest that the shit Lurpiss, (or indeed any other troll) posted, might one day be considered to have had an actual impact upon my decision making process. Fuck that!
2014-09-14 18:10
Well thought..
2014-09-15 09:13
What points do you agree ?? Teams combination is made for winning not for fragging and putting a star wont make NIP Gods They are No. 1 team and i think changes are made to be No.1 . So please stop criticizing someone at least till they are top 3.
2014-09-14 18:23
#213
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Denmark jjh 
jesus fuck, at first i did not understand what the fuck did you mean. second of all, practice your read skills? did i criticize anyone? omfg hltv gettin dumber and dumber every goddamn day.
2014-09-14 18:25
Ohk Mr. Smart and no one should read this nonsense article fiffy is also a good guy in game and proof would be Nip success and there consistence performance. And all 5 star players don't make Top Team. Team chemistry makes and NIP has very good Team composition.
2014-09-14 20:20
#345
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Denmark jjh 
lol you're just another nip fanboy kiddie. you know, there is a common stereotype that indians are smart, i was a little amazed of how stupid you are.
2014-09-14 20:33
Ohk Smarty and for your kind information I am Bigggg Fan of NAVI not Nip. And for your stupid point you should rethink because you are suggesting a top team of world to make changes to be UltraTop.
2014-09-15 17:48
#590
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Denmark jjh 
again, neither me or lurppis did not suggest changing the roster of NiP, if you can't read - that's your own problem, no need to expose your fanboy ass here and make a fool from yourself. the whole article is full of examples of how changing an underperforming friend for a well-skilled newcomer wether helped or didn't help teams. there are no advices or demands to change anybody, you ignorant kid.
2014-09-15 17:57
U dumb ass i also told the article is great but Example of fifflaren doesn't fit In and fifflaren is playing for Nip because he is good at game and Team Chemistry Instead of Friendship U Retard. And there are many Examples like Titan and old Navi would Better Fit Then Crying a River for fiffy Rating. And Now go Fcuk yourself u Dumb Cunt. Peace :)
2014-09-15 20:50
#613
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Denmark jjh 
haha indian kid raging, love it.
2014-09-15 20:53
Ohk moron. And lol how fast u Jump on nationality Bitch. Carry Loving It
2014-09-15 20:59
#617
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Denmark jjh 
keep raging, it's a pleasure watching it <3
2014-09-15 21:02
Ohk Dickhead you are Meant for That :)
2014-09-15 21:06
#622
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Denmark jjh 
can't even understand half of your sentences, you should practice your english skills instead of gang-raping little girls.
2014-09-15 21:07
Lol Ohk Mr. Smartass Thanks for good suggestion give 1 to Lurpiss also
2014-09-15 21:12
#625
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Denmark jjh 
yeah gl, this is the very time you crawled back to the hole you live in.
2014-09-15 21:14
Ohk smart-ass u continue fcuking fiffy states :)
2014-09-15 21:20
#628
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Denmark jjh 
lol why you start every post with 'ooohk', is it some indian thing that i'm unawared of?
2014-09-15 21:23
No offense for your little brain you are unaware of world leave it.
2014-09-15 21:29
#631
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Denmark jjh 
again, best english in india, bravo, rapist.
2014-09-15 23:21
Ohk Fcuk Face :)
2014-09-16 10:56
#658
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Denmark jjh 
ohhk ohhk okk ohhk oooohk ooohhk oook ohhk ohkkk
2014-09-16 16:09
Ohk Moron Ohk
2014-09-16 16:12
I dont understand why people criticize Fifflaren so much? Every player have ups and downs when it comes to in game performance,but if you criticize him so much,its gonna get even worse for him,and its gonna be much harder to get back on the track. Just put yourselves in his position and you will stop criticize him. :) Btw friendship inside the team its allways better than "just business",cause you will allways support your friend to become better for himself and for the team. :)
2014-09-14 18:02
#155
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Denmark jjh 
an almost 2 year downstreak is ok, you mean?
2014-09-14 18:03
Initially, when lurppis criticized fiflaren, I accepted it as I think everyone have their own opinions.. But now it seems lurppis wants to impose his views on the readers.. Seriously? An entire article on fifflaren? When NiP as a team accepts him as a suitable player for their team, why don't you?
2014-09-14 18:02
Pretty annoying to read a well-written, professional article only to see comments criticizing the writer and pointing out irrelevant things... Anyway, good read and good to see Lurppis back
2014-09-14 18:03
It wasn't well written.
2014-09-14 18:10
Most people seem to think an article with proper grammar and spelling is well-written. Probably just because English is not their first language.
2014-09-14 18:42
How is this article not well-written? It touches on a subject that gets a lot of attention, constantly. If only people in this comment section would actually talk about the issues raised, instead of just attacking the writer, we could have some really nice conversations, but I guess it is too much to ask of this community..
2014-09-14 19:40
I agree its well written but Example of Fifflaren is useless and Not fitting because he is doing his job right else Nip wouldn't be a consistently Top team. Thanks and Nip has perfect combination and let them be at least out of top 2-3 before some changes.
2014-09-14 20:28
I think Fifflaren is the perfect example. lurppis is not saying that NiP should change him, but that it will likely be inevitable, if they crash out of the next major, which I agree with. So far the results says that Fifflaren should not be changed, but when/if that changes, he needs to take on another role, perhaps as coach. He is the obvious contradiction to what lurppis thinks, but I doubt even NiP would put friendship over results.
2014-09-14 20:39
But In whole article it was worth watching that K/D ratio off Only Fiffy was Mentioned and Article other Examples were great and Topic is also great and even I think Nip Need Changes because They miss Awp Player but they are winning and we should not judge player by K/D ration. Its Team chemistry and If they feel Xizt Doesn't fit then they can Replace Him Also Why to point Fiffy alwz.
2014-09-14 20:51
I have to admit, he could have used other examples, besides Fifflaren - threat comes to mind, though he was ingame leader. Fifflaren is just used so often, because you see very few other topteams winning, with a player that underperforms so much fragwise.
2014-09-14 21:16
Was sure it was about fiffy before I clicked. Oh Lurppis
2014-09-14 18:03
KEEP THE HATE UP LURPPIS
2014-09-14 18:03
Screw friendships Tomi, watched you play today with Allu! Pleasantly surprised, get back in the game!!
2014-09-14 18:04
#163
mason | 
World PRQN 
tl;dr someone tell me whats about it
2014-09-14 18:05
Lurppis hating Fifflaren.
2014-09-14 21:46
#526
World Fzq 
TL;DR: Lurppis does not believe Fifflaren deserves to be in NiP (and winning majors), due to his rating.
2014-09-15 11:31
"hard-working players such as Kobe Bryant and Michael Jackson were frustrated" I have a feeling you meant Michael Jordan :D? Well written article, nonetheless
2014-09-14 18:05
What was this article about you and ur histroy which noone cares about??
2014-09-14 18:05
wow, just wow you must really hate fiff :'D
2014-09-14 18:07
I wont even waste my time reading this crap...lurrpis you are an ASSHOLE!
2014-09-14 18:07
meh can we just move pass this already pls..
2014-09-14 18:09
How can you not be sick and tired of this?
2014-09-14 18:10
Nice article lurppis. I don't see the point of removing fiffy as long as they are winning but once that changes it is inevitable.
2014-09-14 18:11
they will -fiff only when they continuously perform bad on LAN not because whining hltv user and lurpis
2014-09-14 18:14
I remember mTw 2005, was the same thing w/ whimp as fifflaren nowadays, and that time i was one of the most who asked for changes in mTw, when whimp lift the team, i sddly realized that i was wrong. So...
2014-09-14 18:14
We got your point but its also not good to criticism fiffy again and again because for a team winning formula is everything and if they will add a star doesn't mean they will dominate the world and they are no. 1 team for quit a while so no need to blame some1 regularly and if they start losing then they have to think what is wrong and what needs to change and I am sure every team will so stop targeting same person from worlds best team. Thanks
2014-09-14 18:15
wow, great reading, your the only real cs analys. gj!
2014-09-14 18:16
well this is getting kinda ridiculous.. a news article ain't supposed to be based on a "reporters" opinion.. that's something u learn on elementary school. and even the trolls and retards on this website can see clearly how this in not "news" but an opinion and a rant towards someone u clearly don't like. get something decent to write about, u have knowledge on the game, use it.. don't bash a team that even playing badly wins a *ucking major
2014-09-14 18:17
fuck friendship in the game. the most matters is the teamwork.
2014-09-14 18:18
#205
World Fzq 
However, if you've watched Johansson play extensively, or looked at his stats, you can see that he has actually worsened. Has he really? Or has the competition caught up to him? With Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson being constantly criticized for poor performances, the argument fans often stick to in his defense is that friendship trumps everything in CS:GO, and therefore he's a vital part of NiP. NiP isn't only about friendship. It's about the stability of the lineup and what happens when you play together as a team as long as they have. Yes, in theory NiP could be better on paper, if they added another godlike aimer to play Fifflaren's role, but at the same time it would probably shatter their group-dynamic. It would take months for them to take in a replacement, such as Delpan, adjust their playstyle, and the result could very well be even worse than what we have seen as of late. The real question is, is it worth the risk? They're still quite capable of performing, but phasing out Fifflaren for a new guy (and I don't have the slightest who that could even be), might very well spell the end of NiP. Not because he's the magical glue holding together the team, but because they would have to accommodate the new guy to all their strats, and rebuild the trust and cohesion from ground up. This, coupled with the risk of bringing in a player who might not suit the rest of the group very well, could easily lead to drama that could cause even more changes in the lineup, effectively ending NiP.
2014-09-14 18:20
#278
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United Kingdom tejas_moksha 
+1 to this
2014-09-14 19:35
+
2014-09-14 19:41
Fifflaren stepping into a coach role would be the best thing for NiP, at least I believe so. The best example of this working is fnatic and they even added two new members. If Fifflaren is on the sideline, while a better aimer, with just as good gamesense, is playing, I think NiP could return to dominance. I do not see why Fifflaren HAS to be in the lineup for the group dynamic to work, if they find a new fith player, who is not a complete idiot. Fifflaren can bring just as much to the table by being a friend and motivator on the sideline. I think we agree somewhat, but I just wanted to reply, since it was the first post in this article I saw that actually had some substance to it :)
2014-09-14 19:46
It would take months to take in a replacement and adjust to their playstyle you say? Like when fnatic cut MODDI (their best fragger) a WEEK before the first $250,000 tournament, and WON? Not only did they cut their best fragger, but they brought in a new IGL (pronax), a WEEK BEFORE Dreamhack Winter. And they won. Do you realize how dumb your argument is? Titan was the second most stable roster in CSGO, and they ended up breaking apart. The G5 had been together for years before CSGO, but even they ended up breaking apart. You really don't have a clue what makes a good counter-strike team. You talk about trust and cohesion needed in a team, but that shit doesn't take years to build. NiP could replace Fifflaren right now and become immediately better in two weeks, tops. His role in the team is easily the most replaceable/upgradeable.
2014-09-15 08:47
#524
World Fzq 
I spoke of NiP specificly when wrote that, and I stand by it. Fnatic's DHW-lineup isn't a very fair comparison to make, since that lineup ended up sucking pretty bad on the long run, and I believe most analysts agreed on the fact that at DHW, largest role in fnatic's victory was the surprise factor. No one were sure on how they were going to play. When you play for years with someone, for example f0rest and GTR, you 'learn' how the other will play, and you will adjust to it to supplement his way of play/he will supplement yours, and you will pretty much know how the other guy will play. I don't know what CS you've been watching, but this plays a large factor in how NiP plays, as a team, and they're the best at it. If you think a good Counter-Strike team is one who can just dominate aimduels, just look at HellRaisers. NiP could replace Fifflaren right now and become immediately better in two weeks, tops. Who would they bring to replace Fifflaren? Why would they? Who is this godlike of a player that the other four NiP players would like in the roster, and will do Fifflaren's role, can frag against top-tier teams NiP plays (such as VP, Na`Vi, new fnatic, c9, dignitas etc.), will also perform on stage, and be a good match IRL and ingame? Yes, Fifflaren is replaceable, but doing so could easily end up hurting the rest of the team a lot more than they would gain from doing so. And to build the level of communication, cohesion, trust and teamwork NiP have, it could take much longer than two weeks for the new guy to step in Fiffy's shoes.
2014-09-15 11:27
I think fnatic had ridiculously good chemistry right off the bat with pronax. I'd say the same thing when they picked up olofmeister and krimz. When VG replaced kennyS with shoxie, they didn't skip a beat. Dignitas' roster has gone through lots of changes over the past year, and they've actually gotten better. VP replaced two players they had played with for years and are better for it. HellRaisers didn't work out because of ego and bad leadership, not because there were "too many fraggers", as if that's actually a thing. iBP is a team full of 5 fraggers who won ESEA lan. VP has 5 players who can each dominate a game. Same could be said of fnatic, dignitas and old VG if you gave their IGL's a pass. If you ranked the players of VP, NiP, fnatic and dignitas, f0rest and GTR would be #1 and #2. Xizt would be top 10, maybe top 5. Friberg would be top 15. Fifflaren would be dead last. The reason they still manage to win is because they're top heavy, not because Fifflaren provides some mystical intangibles that no one can seem to comprehend. As to who could replace Fifflaren, there are loads of players in the pro Swedish scene who could replace him. NiP could probably swipe anyone off fnatic if they tried, seeing as how HeatoN lets his players keep 100% of their tournament earnings on top of their salary.
2014-09-15 17:46
soon i get a 144hz monitor,i can't wait for it !!! i hope it's gona be worth !!! fuck me i'm so excited
2014-09-14 18:21
wtf?
2014-09-15 03:54
#462
United Kingdom vL- 
I agree with u!
2014-09-15 04:03
thanks dude!!
2014-09-15 10:44
It really doesn't matter. They choose to do it their way. only way i see a line up change in NiP is if one of them retires. Also I respect that they do it their way, despite all the kids calling for fifflaren to be kicked.
2014-09-14 18:23
Lurppis writing an article about Fifflaren? Thats new
2014-09-14 18:24
2x 2nd on MAJOR tournaments 1x 1st on MAJOR tournament xxx 1st on MINOR tournaments nothing more to say :)
2014-09-14 18:25
#506
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Slovakia kubiaxk 
or it would be 3x 1st on major ... :)
2014-09-15 09:59
Lurrpis' provocative Topics... not worth to read
2014-09-14 18:26
#217
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France rsi_rise 
Again? Are you serious? This is obsession... Move on to another subject, please.
2014-09-14 18:27
+1
2014-09-14 18:31
By: lurppis enough said :]
2014-09-14 18:28
+1
2014-09-14 19:52
Christ you're obsessed with this.
2014-09-14 18:29
mmm i don't get it... what do you try with this topic?
2014-09-14 18:29
WOW an other article bashing Fifflaren. Great job lurpiss you are so varied please tell us moar. Fifflaren having sex with lurpiss' mother confirmed.
2014-09-14 18:30
LOL
2014-09-15 17:48
i mean the article is written well, but still? dont u have other topics than fifflaren? Comeon , wtf?
2014-09-14 18:31
Article was actually very nice and I agree that if they start losing consistently then changing fifflaren would be the most logical option. But I really like fifflaren and always root for him and actually after the major win I think that he looks more confident in himself and performs better. But if the roster change happens I believe fifflaren still will be part of the NiP in some form, be that coach or something else. fiffy is love, fiffy is life <3
2014-09-14 18:32
LURPPIS IS BACK :D i`ll have fun reading
2014-09-14 18:35
Lurppis would actually be good at writing articles if he could talk about more than 1 topic. It's kind of sad.
2014-09-14 18:37
This is the first time ive seen an article from Lurppis regarding this question, what articles have you read that i havent?
2014-09-14 20:05
Constantly bashing Fifflaren, which was clearly was an aim of this article. I'm not saying I disagree with him, but it's getting old.
2014-09-14 20:22
not sure if retard or just trolling. I actually think its the first one.
2014-09-14 21:29
Then supply me with articles that lurppis has made about this subject?
2014-09-14 21:36
All of Lurppis articles have an exclusive paragraph just to bash Fifflaren and tell him he's bad for NiP.
2014-09-14 21:47
Well this topic isnt only about Fifflaren is it? which is what im trying to prove..
2014-09-14 21:54
No but this topic includes fiffy again, he does a lot of different articles. Majority of them contains fiffy bash. So stop acting stupid with your posts.
2014-09-15 04:45
Im not acting stupid, and stop with the harassments, if you werent talking to me you would already be banned. And link me to these MAJORITY of articles that bashes fifflaren. But what wasnt my inital point, since im talking about the whole thing, just specifically about one subject.
2014-09-15 16:57
Lurppis in the past has tried to bash fifflaren via HLTV.. Check out his article "what we learnt from ESL cologne" or something like that.. In that article he suggests him to retire and uses a complete paragraph to describe how bad fiffy stats were.. I mean they just won, give them a break..
2014-09-15 09:26
#232
ZELIN | 
Portugal Cyborgy 
are people retarded?this is not all about fiflaren at all you dumb fucks,he gave many other examples jesus christ you are retarded
2014-09-14 18:40
Anybody can say what they want, but NiP won more than any team in this game (CS:GO) and they're still pretty good anyways, so stop flaming players with that shi*** argument and watch how they play and win as a team
2014-09-14 18:40
The only thing which is worth mentioning is result. If a team is successful - it doesn't matter if they have 5 madfraggers or only 4 ones - they're winning and that's it.
2014-09-14 18:41
I knew this was coming when fifflaren interviewed and response he doesn't give a !@#$ about hltv articles :D . So there you go fifflaren you asked for this.
2014-09-14 18:42
HLTV, seriously. Could you at least remove this from the 'news' section and give lurrpis his own blog where he can rant and rant about fifflaren and try to cover up his tweets with these articles. It's getting old now.
2014-09-14 18:46
This better suits as Lurppis' personal blog rather than a 'news' article. Plus the whole article seems to a very long explanation for all that 'fifflaren hate' that's seems to being promoted here. Nip guys know what's good for them and what's not, leave em and fifflaren and let us all be in peace!
2014-09-14 18:49
"However, their round record at ESL One Cologne was negative - 144 rounds won to 147 lost " Am i calculating wrong or is it just a big mistake cuz it must be 160 rounds won to 154 lost. I think you didnt add stats of Wolf match Lurppis. Except that very good article to read.
2014-09-14 18:50
Lurppis the HLTV SuperstaR
2014-09-14 18:53
good read got to love all the kids who rage now and probably didn't even read the article. it's not even just about fifflaren.. but regarding the "why is this fifflaren-thing still a legit topic?" question: because it's a shame for the name of competitive CS that a team can dominate so hard although it clearly plays with only 4 top players. it just makes everyone else look silly. and don't give me that bullshit about different roles and stuff cause even a blind man can see that there's no role in which Fifflaren is at the level his team is playing at (no he's NOT a good "support" player and just carrying the bomb is not a role). if the FC Bayern München had a defender who under-performs in 99% of all his matches, but the team would still win almost everything, this player would still lose his contract. this is a professional competition and it's all about being as strong as possible. it would make the entire sport a joke if he would keep playing for the team simply because the other players are good friends of him. off-topic: I miss trace and friis :( trace had such a unique playing-style. He gave up on GO way too early. I'm damn sure that if he had put some more work into GO he would have become an outstanding player again.
2014-09-14 19:06
Good read!
2014-09-14 18:56
The problem with lurppis is sometimes (even though i enjoy reading from him) manipulates facts to his favor. Everyone who remembers the 1.6 era knows that problems started among the golden five started after their losing streak then they cut LUq for pasha. He can't use the EG example as they are not even close to NiP's level, EG back then were considered 2nd/3rd tire team.
2014-09-14 18:56
That's a lot of words to say "fuck Fifflaren"
2014-09-14 18:58
#258
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United Kingdom tejas_moksha 
What about HeatoN and Potti? Arguably the biggest friendship in CS, and they didnt dominate? Friendship is very important. Lurppis is trolling again.
2014-09-14 19:07
but when they played together they were both top-notch in what they were doing.
2014-09-14 19:09
haters gonna hate Fifflaren #1
2014-09-14 19:09
LOL oh c'mon stop it
2014-09-14 19:11
#268
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Netherlands Nieroth 
Haha, people were wondering why lurrpis was so quiet about the fifflaren hate lately. Now we know, it's not because he gave up on it, no he was just writing a whole fcking article about it... But yeah, if nobody wants to be your friend because you're an arrogant narcissistic guy, then you might end up thinking that friendship isn't important.
2014-09-14 19:20
he went on holiday, and now that hes back its fiffy hate all the time
2014-09-14 19:35
+100
2014-09-15 17:50
Lurppis, you forgot the famous whiMp for hpx replacement in mTw that lead to their 2008 success. mTw was famous for always talking about getting fresh blood in the team, and zonic talked numerous times in interviews about how hard it is to replace good friends, but said it has to be done to be the best
2014-09-14 19:25
n1
2014-09-14 19:27
ITT: Lurppiss bashes fifflaren. Nothing new here.
2014-09-14 19:32
Lurppis... dude... you're fucking obsessed with fiffy
2014-09-14 19:38
I do think friendship, or at least a good spirit is important. Playing with people that you dont like (whether that is in RL or in game), is counterproductive, no matter how good the player is. I have played with people that are a lot better than me, but in terms of spirit are just not the kind of people I like (lots of whining, raging and complaining). What happened was that the communication didnt work, everyone was demotivated and everyones performance just slumped.
2014-09-14 19:40
Interesting way to say you think -fifflaren +allu.. lurppis, get over it
2014-09-14 19:41
allu is his rank boost friend, i can understand that. :)
2014-09-14 23:05
lurppis, please use the nick's instead of using real names. While I know most if not all of them, it's still a little confusing and others might not know them and it will be confusing even more for them.
2014-09-14 19:42
#445
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Brazil hono 
If you place your mouse pointer in the name, it will display the player nick
2014-09-15 01:26
lurppis is back <33333333
2014-09-14 19:44
"Lindberg and Alesund wanting to get rid of Harley "dsn" Örwall, while in-game leader and captain Patrik "cArn" Sättermon stuck by his long-time teammate's side." - wow, I knew that they ruined fnatic but dsn? Disrespectful.
2014-09-14 19:45
good read
2014-09-14 19:45
So this is basically just a prolonged tweet about Fifflaren, since Twitter only gives you 140 characters.. Cool.
2014-09-14 19:47
Fifflaren is a part of NiP, and that should be for ever! <3
2014-09-14 19:52
Rofl on MJ , but seriously , stop.
2014-09-14 19:52
strong individual != stronger team
2014-09-14 19:56
Go fuck yourself Lurrpis..
2014-09-14 20:00
0/10 would read that shitty comparison again
2014-09-14 20:01
FRIENDZONED ?
2014-09-14 20:02
+1 haha
2014-09-14 20:52
Well written article that really makes you think. anyone who has been active in teamsports, be it whatever, can relate to arguments given in this article (at least) to some extent
2014-09-14 20:04
#330
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Portugal luxen 
TL:DR
2014-09-14 20:19
If this had been a blog post it would have been alright, but this isn't a news post. Make a "Lurpiss' corner" or something like that where he can brag about his past achievements..
2014-09-14 20:20
stop writing these pointless topics and articles about Fifflaren. Fifflaren already said, as long as his team wants him to stay, he is gonna stay. They dont give a shit about this constant cry me a river thing that is going on here on HLTV.org
2014-09-14 20:23
This guy is hilarious.
2014-09-14 20:25
"With Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson being constantly criticized for poor performances," Mostly by the author of this article.
2014-09-14 20:28
haha true
2014-09-14 20:29
true
2014-09-15 00:12
:truestory: haha
2014-09-15 02:17
Exactly :D
2014-09-15 20:13
Lurppis, just get it on with fiffy already. This sexual tension is getting out of control.
2014-09-14 20:29
"Me and Mon" Mon and I* Lurrpis do u even English bro?
2014-09-14 20:30
Process of teamwork by Tuckman’s theory – Forming – This is the first stage and this stage is about to build a team. The individual behavior is driven by a desire to be accepted to a new group. This stage is usually without any conflicts and all group members are working on a basic things in a group – where and when they are going to meet, who does what. Storming – In this stage, all group members developed between other team member’s trust and they start to feel comfortable. What is more, they start to challenge others’ opinions. This stage can be contentious, unpleasant or even painful to members of the team who are averse to conflict. Tolerance of each team member and their differences should be emphasized. Norming – The team manages to have one goal. Some team members will give up their personal ideas and agree with others to make their team work. The danger in this stage is that some members can be so focused to prevent conflicts that they are not sharing their own ideas. Performing – Not all teams are going that far. But some teams are reaching performing stage and it means that now they can function as a high-performing team and they find ways to get the job done smoothly and effectively without conflicts or external supervision. That's the secret. You do not have to be a good friends or something, you have to be motivated equally, know your aim and goals. But, you can't be like, u see each other outside and you are like "i don't want to see/know you"
2014-09-14 20:36
diverging an entire article to fifflaren love/hate. you stay classy hltv
2014-09-14 20:45
Lurpis is a really sad guy whining in nearly every of his comments/articles about why nip doesnt kick fiffy ... that guy doesnt get that there are other things in life than hating on a guy ;) seems like lurpis never had any friends otherwise he wouldnt say stuff like this
2014-09-14 20:52
#357
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Poland venomstw 
when i saw the title, i knew that it must be lurppis
2014-09-14 20:52
Yeah, thought the same. This article mostly lists a few examples that show that this topic has no point to be investigated. It involves relationship alchemy and then is different for every people. In short, this article shows that no article on this question should be done? But maybe we needed an article to prove that avoid to make more? =D
2014-09-14 21:05
#376
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Poland venomstw 
I haven't even read when I saw fifflaren nickname, because of relations between lurp and fiffy :)
2014-09-14 21:26
Better as a blog, not as a newspost.
2014-09-14 21:03
Holy fuk you just had to squeeze fifflarn into this article didnt you? un-fucking-believable
2014-09-14 21:03
enough #stoplurppis
2014-09-14 21:13
omg lurppis, do other things then telling others what to do... its annoying.care about yourself instead of hating fifflaren
2014-09-14 21:29
Fiffy > lurppis
2014-09-14 21:29
I'm actually enjoying this drama nowadays. lurppis vs fifflaren fangirls. Nomad can we get a separate forum section for this stuff? I'd really want to see some users here vs lurppis in a some sort of ring/arena. The requirements would be 20+ comments against lurppis to get in a ring(the new forum section) with him.
2014-09-14 21:33
not at all drama. drama is "exciting, emotional, or unexpected event"' this is neither exciting or emotional and definitly not unexpected event, this is repetitive and plain boring
2014-09-14 22:50
Seriously, Lurppis is so lucky that fifflaren is a cool guy. Maybe he wouldn't do it otherwise..
2014-09-14 21:34
'There's definitely tons of people who would rather be top five in the world with good friends, than the world's best if that meant playing with people they didn't enjoy playing with.' -> this is well said. I don't think they are hungry enough to keep their number1 spot, and if (or when) the fall comes i'd love to hear something like this from them: 'guys we had a great run but it's time to find another job, we'll still be able to play in online leagues and sometimes lans too and we'll always have our fans and blahblahblah' But ofc i wish that day never comes :)
2014-09-14 21:35
You posted some awesome articles on CS:GO and stuff and now you're back to hating on Fiffy... He might bring more to the table than just frags! lurppis just renamed as lurepiss
2014-09-14 21:36
Ok, now shut up please. Thank you. tl;dr kkthnxbyu
2014-09-14 21:39
would be better if it was a blog !
2014-09-14 21:54
It's not just friendship. It's more than that. Get_right and fifflaren look like lovers .
2014-09-14 22:01
Fifflaren should be playing for a top 40 swedish team instead of the number one. He wouldn't even be a pro if it wasn't for his teammates.
2014-09-14 22:20
this is becoming boring...
2014-09-14 22:35
interesting article, lurppis.
2014-09-14 22:43
Just when hltv was becoming better... fml you need a new hobby. inb4 9000+ threads about -fiffy
2014-09-14 22:51
fiffy we love ^_^ <3
2014-09-14 22:51
Seriously. This remove fiffy from NiP bs from lurppis is starting to get old. It is actually pretty scary and creepy.
2014-09-14 22:57
Gj lurppis on removing my comment... cant handle da thruth
2014-09-14 23:17
2014-09-14 23:27
#419
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Portugal maguire 
this article is shit
2014-09-14 23:34
Are you sad over fiffy because you know the feeling of being the "5th wheel" Lurppis? You can make a blog about how much you dislike fiffy. This is just sad and embarrassing to read, didn't even read through because i knew were this was going. I don't even understand how hltv are letting you have it in the frontpage as "news", this is just you trying to tell everyone how bad fiffy is and is just a standard blog nothing els. If you have to write blogs, make a own site "howtobashfiffy.com/iliketowastemytime.com" or use the blog section here at hltv.org or just for your own sake; stop it and grow up.
2014-09-14 23:35
I like the subject you are pointing out, but i still think that in the end you are making it to bash on fiffy, aand i still think this is a pure blog.
2014-09-14 23:41
#422
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Russia goodjob 
one of the best articles i've ever read on hltv.org
2014-09-14 23:48
#423
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Switzerland banzB1CEPS 
did you seriously made this book just to try to kick fifflaren? omg get a life
2014-09-14 23:49
#424
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Austria gex0r 
i guess fiffi denied lurppis a bj or something ... this h8 ...
2014-09-15 00:10
lurppis should not be allowed to write articles about Fifflaren or NiP any longer, it's just hate. Please just shut the fuck up about him, it's just stupid now.
2014-09-15 00:24
Too bad i cant report this thread. Lame
2014-09-15 00:27
"With Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson being constantly criticized for poor performances" A lot of this is by yourself.
2014-09-15 00:34
#655
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Sweden mr-gusse 
not just alot, ALL of it
2014-09-16 13:23
lurppis please, leave fifflaren alone for once...
2014-09-15 00:39
^^
2014-09-15 02:11
#431
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United Kingdom jMz86 
You are border line bullying the guy, HLTV should seriously consider removing you because you are blinded by hatred. You lack so much professionalism it's unreal. I cannot stand listening to you on streams any more. I think you are a mean little man and all you seem to do is chat shit about someone. Yes, the point you are trying to make with this article could be a valid point but we all know the reason you wrote it and some of your comments on twitter etc towards Fifflaren are just harsh. Grow up you bully.
2014-09-15 00:45
Fifflaren takes a lot of flack because hes not as good as his teammates but according to the ratings hes better than ex6tenz and a lot better than fetish.
2014-09-15 00:53
I've derived from all these articles and constant Twitter posts a conclusion: Lurppis has a crush on GeT_RiGhT and is now jealous because of GTR and Fifflaren's relationship. Just let the flame die, your feelings for GTR are obviously not reciprocated.
2014-09-15 00:56
#441
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United Kingdom jMz86 
haha
2014-09-15 01:16
Or maybe lurppis has feelings for fiffy? Topkek
2014-09-15 17:38
Ah, the old "you smell/have coodies!" age old insult/pick on because you're scared of your feelings routine. I like your style sir.
2014-09-15 18:08
damn... lurrpis hates fifflaren:D
2014-09-15 00:57
Srsly this retarded community? Every fucking NIP game you are flaming fifflaren how bad he is, and now suddenly you are defending him? Btw good article, more like these please. -fiffl+allu
2014-09-15 01:05
wtf are you talking about? its like the same 5 ppl making the fiffy hate threads cuz they lost skins. just because those who support fiffy dont constantly makes threads about him doesn't mean we dont exist. retard
2014-09-15 04:48
lurppis quit pls usuck xD fucking attention whore
2014-09-15 01:12
Dear Lurppis, every decision we make, every response we say is a consequences from our past. For example: A person divided his life to a 51% time in baseball and 49% in fotball. That person even tho he's not aware of it, will eventualy say that baseball was/is better. This is what you're doing now. The fact that you may stayed with your friends for a time, but threw(or left) them away after a while makes you write this kind of b.s. and inpires others to do the same. Not to mention it looks like you have somethin` personal against Fifflaren. THE real fact is that true friends who see others so devoted to somethin` (cs) while they are not at the same level, will eventualy start dedicating themselfs more or eventualy step down and not try to bring maybe some bright futures down with him/them. THIS is what friendship means, the pact and decisions you'll live the rest of your life with. P.S. In a team where 5 are good friends, logic doesn't apply, it's somethin` else witch you can't understand considering you haven't experienced yet and probably never will. I`ll give you sometin to think about tho: Throwing your mate out to get another, then meeting him at a lan where your consciousness will start taking over, feeling bad and eventualy leading up to a very bad performance. Gaming is a part of your life witch eventualy you'll leave for somethin` else, a family, a girlfriend, a good job. As you grow in age you`ll realize that the decisions you made makes you a champion. Untill then, i suggest you never write about these things again, go out, drink a beer with strangers and tell me if that felt better then an evening where you lost a game but you were with your friends. Appologize for my enlgish if i made some mistakes, but noones perfect.
2014-09-15 01:19
Good article, but it is a shame that again it was Fifflaren who was the main argument in your publicity. It is getting kinda boring. To be fair, you obviously have a point about friendship, Fifflaren and all of that, but was this article really focused on today's issues around our CS:GO scene? All of this what you wrote was something that most of the people already knew, it wasn't anything new. I think there are much more interesting topics you could write article about. But anyway, good job.
2014-09-15 01:33
#448
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Greece her-1g 
well they are winning almost every even they attend. the is no reason to replace anyone now. unless they stay without a win for like 6-8 months
2014-09-15 01:37
why you got to be so mad lurppis is 30x worse then fifi
2014-09-15 02:08
What did I just read. lurppis please, go away.
2014-09-15 03:16
#455
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Venezuela xoile 
fiffy is so popular.!!!
2014-09-15 03:17
I wanna see Fiffy vs Lurpiss 1v1 IRL at next csgo tournament when they're both there. Lurpiss will probably get his wish for a while because fifflaren won't be able to play with such sore knuckles
2014-09-15 03:22
I thought the friendship bit was how lurpiss and thoorin get their casting gigs?
2014-09-15 04:03
lol XD
2014-09-15 21:02
Apparantly you never played with friends that close as in nip, then you would know how important playing with friends really is. I think a topic like this only motivates the nip crew to show these fkn hasbeens where its at.
2014-09-15 04:38
tl;dr something something fiffy sucks. pretty sure that cow's been milked dry now, lurppis? and regarding your articles, please shape up. getting tired of you reposting/bandwagoning reddit ideas as your own or dictating truths instead of trying to uncover them, like this whole fifflaren deal. you credit your own arguments and discredit all arguments that doesn't favor your case. case in point as to why esports "experts" can't be taken seriously and why we can't have nice things.
2014-09-15 04:42
lol lurrpis getting the hate not only from Reddit but from the trolls of hltv to hahaha give it a rest and let nip keep fify they are doing fine with him on the team. Ps I agree that fify is week but give it a rest lolipop
2014-09-15 04:58
Interesting article, really enjoyed this one. I like how you approach certain things and really go in-depth with them. Looks like you´re often hanging around with thorin lately hu? :p
2014-09-15 05:01
tl;dr : washed-up midget STILL cant get over the fact that the top1 team isn't made entirely of star players. It's time to let it go, lurpis, your flaming isnt gonna stop NiP from winning tournaments with fifflaren.
2014-09-15 05:31
tl;dr -fifflaren
2014-09-15 06:17
tl;dr really being consistent in how you are working the map, even when losing, is key. It takes friends of a pretty high caliber to be able to lose huge games, games that you should have won and look at it as one game, one finals, 9-44 and then be a champion.
2014-09-15 06:28
#483
dktenso | 
Brazil lgzn 
except lurppis didn't achieved 1/5 of the success fifflaren & co earned in CSGO. lurppis is actually tearing his community respect with this reckless hate against fiffy. if NiP replaces him its going to be ultimately their decision and nothing you can do (or write) will change anything about. #DealWithItLurppis
2014-09-15 06:53
just trying to start drama. faggot
2014-09-15 07:01
The problem with statistics is that they lack context. Sometimes 'when' is more important than 'how many' If Fiffy clutches the round and the game in a 1v3 are you really gonna care that his overall k/d for the match was negative? Friendship is a bonus but mutual respect is more important. Team mates punching each other shows they don't respect one another and it's human nature to ignore or dismiss those you don't respect.
2014-09-15 07:07
lurppis is just a retarded hater. and this post just prove the point. i guess twitter dont allow you enough words to express how much fifflaren is WAY more successful than lurppis will ever be.
2014-09-15 07:33
he lacks creativity, thats why he keeps coming back to the fifflaren subject
2014-09-15 07:34
well all evidence points out that lurppis is actually in love with fiff, no other logical explanation
2014-09-15 08:02
How is this news? I only see a sad little guy trying to bash on Fifflaren again
2014-09-15 08:26
I don't know why people would even listen to lurrpis when he's achieved less than 1/10th of what Fifflaren has achieved
2014-09-15 08:26
Lurppis, you are an egotistical, self absorbed person. You are seeminglessly carrying on this debate on fifflaren to prove a point. The fact though is that you are not part of NiP, therefore you do not know what goes into the dynamics of the team. You can only speculate and put down facts from yester years teams. You are acting as if the game should revolve around your opinion when you can only hope to achieve what they have.
2014-09-15 08:40
HOW THE FUCK ANOTHER FIFFLAREN HATE ARTICLE BY LURPPIS :D
2014-09-15 08:59
Lurppis has a good idea for an article here but then he goes on to talk about this already so much discussed issue with NiP and Fifflaren. I mean come on, half of this article is dedicated to talk about whether or not Fifflaren should be kicked. Get over it already. Otherwise it's a good read.
2014-09-15 09:18
Great read, but lurppis... give up on fifflaren already, it's only up to NiP to decide who deserves a spot in their team.
2014-09-15 09:41
yep,wait 1 week i get my 144hz monitor and then -fifflaren +me just wait
2014-09-15 10:46
Kovanen analysis has major flaws. The article is written in such an odd angle. The perspective come as of he was one of the players in the NiP roster. Knowing them on a personal level as of he had internal knowledge for years. Benchmarking by comparing his teams to other individual players is naive without any doubt. Besides the sloppy writing it seems like he didnt put in enough effort to support any other perspective. The intention of the article is of course to deviate. Yet Im not suprised, as Kovanen holds grudges recklessly.
2014-09-15 09:50
That thing about punching each other was it Taz vs Luq? What event?
2014-09-15 10:14
Great read, great article. Lurppis never disappoints :)
2014-09-15 10:51
Lol lurpis you butthurt cunt. When you actually have some achievements worth noting come back and dribble your bullshit, faggot.
2014-09-15 11:00
NiP could very well perform better with another play then Fifflaren, but what is really pathetic is how lurrpis call himself an "esport journalist" the only thing he write about nowadays is Fifflaren. What have he done to you? It is so obvious he have personal problems with Fiffy, don't even try to hide it.
2014-09-15 11:09
"lurrpis call himself an "esport journalist"" IIRC lurppis has said he doesn't want to be called a journalist. "the only thing he write about nowadays is Fifflaren." That is simply not true, and you should know it. "What have he done to you? It is so obvious he have personal problems with Fiffy, don't even try to hide it." I'm sure Fifflaren has done nothing to lurppis. Perhaps it's just that he finds it very strange how NiP, arguably the best team in the world, can have a player who does not perform even nearly as well as the rest of the team. Why would he have anything personal against him? Doesn't that seem kind of illogical? I think lurppis has said more than once that fif is one of his favorite casters and just like he wrote in this article, which judging by your nonsensical comment you didn't even read, he thinks fif'd be a splendid coach for NiP, since he knows the team so well. I think at this point it should seem quite clear that lurppis' problem is fif's performance in game and not some personal one, contrary to what most here seem to spout without thinking even once before posting. Perhaps this shouldn't be a news artice, but rather a blog, but I think that's the case with everything lurppis has written. Of course it's only now that people point that out
2014-09-15 11:41
Have you ever read lurrpis tweets? that is not criticism that is pure bullying.
2014-09-15 14:31
People take this way too personally. Stars do get criticized all the time, when they perform badly even more. He doesnt think Fifflaren is worth NIP, and so do large portion of scene. Its quite easy to criticize him as he has by far the worst stats. To top that, he hasnt been able to show what is his role. Only to add the pressure, other teams are caught up NIP and probably even surpassed them in some aspects. Then is inevitable that weakest link gets replaced. I gotto love when NIP starts losing and then everything Lurppis has said comes true. If NIP fall out of top3, he will "retire due personal reason, not having enough time to dedicate to this game. He wished the best for the team and relishes the moments he had for many years".
2014-09-15 17:11
Wow Lurppis bashing fifflaren - this is new.
2014-09-15 11:23
A shame NiP won the lan tourney, right lurpis? then u could bash on fiff even more, now u have to cover it up by making this random "article" about friendship(lol)
2014-09-15 11:24
First thing that came up to my mind :-) this is becoming a medical issue...
2014-09-15 11:57
When reporting/journalism/analyzing, whatever Lurpis claims to be becomes purely critical of an individual, it is no longer Journalism or reporting, it is simply bullying. This is not an article about friendship this is just another long drawn out article bashing fifflaren because for whatever reason Lurpis has a personal problem with him. I'd like to see Lurpis join NiP and outfrag, f0rest, GeT_RiGhT, Xizt and Friberg on a consistent basis. The belief that fifflaren should be doing this is stupid, no player throughout GeT_RiGhT and f0rest's careers has consistently been anywhere other than 3rd or below in their team, why should any different be expected of fifflaren? Who it's worth mentioning has had far far far more success than Lurpis ever has.
2014-09-15 11:30
#529
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Germany lpSykl 
+1 Lurpis is just jelly about their success and still tey are so good friends... Maybe he hated his old teammates in his midclass teams, but i dont care about his life. He should just leafe Robin alone... I realy feel sorry for him getting hate from everyone must suck so hard. I bet Lurrpiss would have already quit if Fifflaren would wirte all these "articels" about him.
2014-09-15 11:43
#527
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Germany lpSykl 
Man you obviously dont have friends.... The question is not: "Do we need to be friends to be successful" Now listen, It is: "Do we WANT to be successful without our friends?" Now find friends and PLEEASE LEAFE ROBIN FINALY ALONE!
2014-09-15 11:38
You miss the point entirely NiP aren't trying to create the best team in the world. They are trying to prove they are the best team in the world. It's a subtle difference that you are unable to understand because thats not how your teams played. Those 5 players were the best and they want to prove to everyone and themselves that they are still #1 If they replaced 1 or 2 of their players for players that are better it would make their entire struggle back to the top meaningless. And until they decide otherwise that is entirely their choice.
2014-09-15 11:57
#533
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Germany lpSykl 
yeah, right. And maybe even kicking Fifflaren for eg Pyth or someone would make them better for some weeks. But look at fnatic and look at VP, they owned NiP so hard, but only one time... If NiP changed a player they could be better but only in 1/1000 cases they will be only near as consitent as they are now. <3 to Fiffy
2014-09-15 12:07
+1 This guy understands
2014-09-15 18:50
fifflaren achieved 20 times more than lurppis, and ofc lurppis is really jealous about this whole situation. and he call himself a esports journalist, but he lacks creativity so much that all he can talk about is how he hate fifflaren
2014-09-15 12:21
+1 Totally agree!
2014-09-15 16:43
Hahahah +1
2014-09-15 18:49
I wouldn't be so sure about the first sentence bud, and even u could win that much as fif did if u would be on that nip, lets be realist lol!
2014-09-16 12:00
Lurpisss for real bro, just leave it hanging u wont achieve anything with these articles of yours about our beloved Fifflaren. Fiffy is love, Fiffy is life nothing u can ever change about that. Oh he had to put in article that Thorin thought his old team was one of the best in the world.... hmmm no Lurpiss, u never was anything in Cs. U can only dream on the things fiffy has actually achieved, u jealous bully.
2014-09-15 12:31
Give up lurpiss
2014-09-15 12:47
I think its pointless to dwell on this same old topic. Yeah statistically Fifflaren is crap, there is no sugar coating to that fact - everyone is aware of it. However NiP seems to be contempt with him and they are still winning tournies and placing consistently. So boring to read about this topic day in and day out.
2014-09-15 13:22
+1 Besides the part where Fifflaren is only bad statistically. Fifflaren is overall bad in CSGO and the stats are just solidifying the fact. Anyway.. agree on the rest.
2014-09-15 16:34
Another biased news post about how fliflarin is bad from lurpis
2014-09-15 14:37
Something something broken record something something.
2014-09-15 15:21
#551
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Iceland fatboislim 
We all know fiffy is crap and nip would be even stronger with someone else... blablabla I think all NiP players already know that too, so there is no need to make new articles about this shit anymore. After all it's none of our business who plays for NiP and who doesn't, since we are not part of NiP and so aren't you lurrpis. Good interesting article tho... wouldve been better if you left out nip from it.
2014-09-15 15:30
lurppis @natus stream today "500 comments on my article, fifflaren fanboys mad"
2014-09-15 16:02
:-d
2014-09-15 17:19
has he done something to you lurppis or why do you still need to flame him? #youShouldPlayMoreCsAgainToContainYourHatred
2014-09-15 16:07
#556
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Latvia SEHUN 
I remember when lur-piss hated on fiffy. S A D B O Y S
2014-09-15 16:13
lmao we get it man... you don't like fiff. shit you're persistent.
2014-09-15 16:44
By: lurppis "With Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson being constantly criticized for poor performances" Didn't read the rest of article.
2014-09-15 16:47
Same here
2014-09-15 18:45
#654
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Sweden mr-gusse 
Mostly from lurppis though, he's constantly nagging about Fiffy. Perhaps he thinks he will get more readers, but it only makes people dislike lurppis more.... his time in the gaming community is over, and he can't stand it
2014-09-16 13:16
Not sure if i should praise the great points made or feel weird because how differently the same article could have been written without bringing in so much fifflaren :/ there are so many other examples as well, Uziii, Existenz, etc i have mixed feelings about this one :/
2014-09-15 17:02
Ex6tenz gets less flame because he's the IGL, and both Ex6tenz and Uzii play for teams that are arguably not even in the top 5, whereas NiP is the #1 team.
2014-09-15 17:22
"Ad hominems are an acceptable line of response to an reasonably written opinion piece." -HLTV users
2014-09-15 17:23
it's kinda sad seeing that lurppis only wants fifflaren to retire from NiP. I think when NiP loses some big Majors/etc. and they are considering a roster-change, lurppis will be as happy as a little kid getting his ice-cream
2014-09-15 17:30
Omg lurpis pls quit this boring bullshit about fifflaren...no one cares anymore, just you and your boring fans
2014-09-15 18:46
lurppis > ALL
2014-09-15 19:01
lurppis you're worst esports person ever for me :-) (I'm not Fifflaren fan)
2014-09-15 19:08
wat a finn that hates lurppis. wat.
2014-09-15 19:40
Only finnish kids (age 6-14) like him. Which is 95% of finnish here.
2014-09-16 09:20
+1 , only idiots like him LOL :D
2014-09-16 12:40
It's a good topic to write on. Although I would have hoped that someone who actually knows how to be with other people would have written this article.
2014-09-15 20:10
LurPISS articles : Fifflaren blablablabla Fifflaren blablabla Im jealous cause fiffy is better then me blablablabla wont even bother to read after reading the comments
2014-09-15 20:54
yup +1 same
2014-09-15 21:06
"wont even bother to read after reading the comments" First you read comments then you decide wether read the article or not? Gz you just won the darwin award! I just so speechles how anybody can be so totaly idiot.
2014-09-16 05:22
shut the fuck up moron just because someone doesnt have the same opinion as you he becomes a idiot, lurpis is a fag and i wont read his shit
2014-09-22 23:04
True. But HLTV crew let him keep up this shit. Because its his opinion they say :D
2014-09-16 09:19
#652
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Sweden mr-gusse 
+1
2014-09-16 13:13
Can friendship be detrimental to a team? Here you basically said that they wouldn't tell each other to practise more in order not to hurt their feelings. Good friends can critize each other without worrying about that, Fiffleren said that too in an interview. Now I don't want to be offensive, but if the best team in the world thinks that friendship brought them were they are, who are you to deny that? Being this article written by Lurrpis, sounds ridiculous considering it objective. Sorry for bad English.
2014-09-15 21:21
fifflaren, before you retire plz start n throw matches. get like -5 0 30, every match.. then eventually lurrpis will go insane and prob go on a killing spree n end up in jail:) that will help HLTV alot;)
2014-09-15 21:31
piss poor, trying to disguise a jab at Fiff as an article about friendship vs performance. Why not even mention fnatic's recent roster change, Titan, Epsilon.. tonnes of others in the last 2-3 years alone. lurpiss jealous how fiff is winning tournaments?
2014-09-16 08:20
What about coL been formed together and none of which really knew each other, put in a team together and just started winning. That is the most successful team story in cs history.
2014-09-16 08:58
Some people here mix up facts with hate.
2014-09-16 09:43
Some meaning you.
2014-09-16 20:33
I registred on HLTV, due to the critism for the lurppis, mostly come from Sources cuz they dont know him and his nice career. You guys really have no clue about gaming don't u? until u have 4strong players on matchmaking and someone low who destroys ur gameplay and gamesense and u get mad cuz of that, all the shit on there are facts not storys created by him, we seen fiffy do -20 -30 all major tournaments in every single game i didnt see him the 4th not thinking 3rd, thats normal when u are entry frager, but GOD is fiff that? no its friberg and forest which they are awesome at doin it. No offense but for fiff but what lurpp said is very true, and keep writing those kind of shit so i read somoething more interesting than for some major tournaments winners.
2014-09-16 11:58
#569
2014-09-16 13:31
Thanks for this Lurpis, i really enjoyd reading this !!! :)
2014-09-16 12:15
"Often when talking about potential roster changes in teams, friendship is brought up as one of the main concerns." Funny, never really seen other cases except this one with fifflaren. Doing this article was simply bad judgement, too personal and not objective at all.
2014-09-16 13:01
#651
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Sweden mr-gusse 
....and again lurppis having a dig at Fifflaren, do you really envy him so much you have to critize him in every sentence you write?? Get a life lurppis, when will you understand that NiP decides who are in the roster, not you! And when talking about it, Fifflaren have actually stepped up his game lately. But you wouldn't notice since you are busy finding faults with his game all the time.
2014-09-16 13:11
+1
2014-09-19 18:24
You have become a living cliché, lurppis. Never go full cliché.
2014-09-16 13:16
ahahahahahahahahaha
2014-09-16 13:33
Is it only me here agree with [most of] what lurppis said? That's ironic that a lot of people here said some shit like 'grow up, lurppis or get a life' with a tongue full of fallacy and childish attitude. That's HLTV Community for you, they just hate everything
2014-09-16 16:44
No, it's not only you. Most people here seem to think that attacking lurppis's character is an intelligent way of countering the arguments he presented. The worst part is so many morons are doing this that it actually appears like normal behavior, and so people will continue to do it.
2014-09-16 17:02
#663
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Lithuania AioNw0w 
Maybe if lurppis didn't give Fifflaren that much shit on twitter every day we would actually agree with him.
2014-09-16 17:29
This is just hilarious, everyone was defending fiffy on this article but now when he is again playing poorly everyone is bashing him.
2014-09-16 20:12
kick him please he dont deserve it to be a NIP Member. Nip plays 4v5
2014-09-16 21:09
JW to NIP!
2014-09-17 03:01
Why would he ever want to join? You would need to pay him millions.
2014-09-17 05:10
Horseshit article. Missed 8 mins of my life reading and connebt this shit.
2014-09-17 12:46
+1
2014-09-21 08:17
Honest to god Tomi, I dunno.. I dunno.
2014-09-17 18:29
Get_RiGhT getting worst too... is this bcoz he carries his team too hard?
2014-09-17 20:03
You don't have a brain !!! Gtr needs good teammates to play "normally". Ff is the reason why Gtr has been suxing ... It's as simple as that -- Nip need to kick either ff or Gtr ... These two can't be in the same team
2014-09-18 07:41
bros before hoes
2014-09-18 01:51
god damn lurpis needs to get off of fifflarens nuts. it's kind of pathetic
2014-09-18 17:49
I don't really understand. Should NiP keep Fifflaren in their roster or they should just kick him out? Its their team matter! not ours!!! I don't understand why people are so obsessed about Fifflaren when f0rest, GeT_RiGhT, friberg, Xizt do not have any problem with him? After all, they are the ones who are playing with him. Not us!
2014-09-19 18:23
all about bets and skins. are you really pretending you dont know?
2014-09-21 06:45
hltv.org staff -lurppis +fifflaren
2014-09-21 08:24
#685
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Sweden cRUNCHiBOY 
+1337
2014-09-23 22:24
+521 I'm really starting to hate lurppis.
2014-09-24 17:17
.l.urpiss is a douchebag
2014-09-25 09:22
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