mouz disqualified from Pro League

mousesports have been disqualified from the ESL Pro League after fielding Simon "smn" Beck in the German qualifiers, the tournament's organisers have revealed.

The news comes as a tremendous blow to mouz, who had secured a place in the ESL Pro League after winning the German national qualifiers.

Simon "smn" Beck, who was last week VAC banned and removed from ALTERNATE, played for mousesports during first two rounds of the qualifier, which has now resulted in the team's disqualification from the $48,000 league.


smn played for mouz in the German qualifiers 

Chris "chrisJ" de Jong's side will be replaced by PENTA Sports, who came in second place in the German qualifying tournament.

After we’ve caught the news that Team Alternate’s player Simon „smn“ Beck has been caught cheating in ESEA, we’ve been in contact with the ESL, since the player has played two first round matches (16:3 vs. "Offline Mod CS:GO" & 16:2 vs. „UNKNOWN") in the ESL Pro League Qualifier Germany as a stand-in for mousesports, as our player Johannes „mouz tabseN“ Wodarz was not available during the early rounds of the tournament.
 
We’ve managed to win the German Pro League Qualifier against other ESL Pro Series teams with our regular lineup and qualified for the ESL Pro League in the process.
 
After we’ve learned of Beck’s VAC Ban, we’ve immediately offered the ESL to resign from our successful Pro League qualification. Unfortunately we’ve been told, that this is not possible and that we had to wait on a final decision by ESL on the matter.
 
Although Beck has not been caught cheating in the two matches he played as a stand-in for mousesports, we are very sad that the unacceptable behavior of one non-mousesports player now affects our entire team, which successfully qualified for the ESL Pro League but is not allowed to participate in the upcoming ESL Pro League any longer.
 
Furthermore we would like to state, that Team Alternate player Simon „smn“ Beck has never been an official player of mousesports nor was he contracted in any way by our organization.

"After we caught the news that Team Alternate’s player Simon „smn“ Beck had been caught cheating in ESEA, we contacted the ESL, since the player had played two first round matches (16:3 vs. "Offline Mod CS:GO" & 16:2 vs. „UNKNOWN") in the ESL Pro League Qualifier Germany as a stand-in for mousesports, as our player Johannes „mouz tabseN“ Wodarz was not available during the early rounds of the tournament," a statement from mouz reads.

"We managed to win the German Pro League Qualifier against other ESL Pro Series teams with our regular lineup and qualified for the ESL Pro League in the process. 

"After we learned of Beck’s VAC Ban, we’ve immediately offered the ESL to resign from our successful Pro League qualification.

"Unfortunately, we were told that this was not possible and that we had to wait on a final decision by ESL on the matter. 

"Although Beck was not caught cheating in the two matches he played as a stand-in for mousesports, we are very sad that the unacceptable behavior of one non-mousesports player now affects our entire team, which successfully qualified for the ESL Pro League but is not allowed to participate in the upcoming ESL Pro League any longer.

"Furthermore we would like to state that player Simon „smn“ Beck has never been an official player of mousesports nor was he contracted in any way by our organization."

This means that the following 16 teams will take part in the ESL Pro League:

Ukraine Na`Vi France Epsilon
France Titan Denmark dignitas
Sweden NiP France LDLC
Poland Virtus.pro Germany Planetkey Dynamics
United Kingdom fm-eSports Germany PENTA Sports
Portugal k1ck Poland ESC Gaming
Denmark CPH Wolves Germany myKPV.de
Sweden Orbit Denmark myXMG
Germany Simon 'smn' Beck
Simon 'smn' Beck
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
165
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.70
APR:
0.11
Netherlands Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1323
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.11
-hack team +hack team oh shit forgot kappa plz germarino don't ragerino
2014-11-25 17:34
+1
2014-11-25 17:56
Stupid decision by ESL.
2014-11-26 17:31
Seriously, ChrisJ has some guts ahah
2014-11-25 18:32
Yea I have a LOT of respect for mouz. They came forward about using smn, it cost them a great league, but they showed some real integrity. Props to them.
2014-11-26 00:06
2014-11-25 18:33
#295
Germany qBY 
smn big huanson
2014-11-25 19:40
Mouz is legit team tho, there are no Germans on the team either, that's why. Tabsen is Polish and we all know Legija is not from Germany either. They only have German nationality and live in Germany.
2014-11-25 19:26
u obviously havent played with serbians :)
2014-11-25 20:42
>They are not german >They online have german nationality and live in germany K den
2014-11-25 21:29
Tabsen is born in Poland and has Polish parents. Legija is born in Serbia and his parents are Serbian as well.
2014-11-25 22:02
What has that got to do with if they are german or not? if they have germany nationality then they are german.
2014-11-26 17:25
dunno if troll or just completely retarded
2014-11-27 01:46
LOL! So they have German nationality and live in Germany, what is required in your eyes to be a German? A funny short moustache?
2014-11-26 01:54
German Parents. Just like an Indian born in New Zealand who thinks of themselves as a New Zealand is still an Indian because of their parents.
2014-11-26 02:39
thats a pretty racist way of seeing things in my opinion
2014-11-26 04:19
I disagree. It's a fact that your nationality is based on the country/ies your parents are from, not where you're born.
2014-11-26 09:26
That is pretty racist. Nationality is just what your passport says.
2014-11-26 17:26
Then Zlatan is from 3 different countries. Serbia, Croatia and Sweden. Mom Croatian and dad Serbian, he got born in Croatia and got raised in Sweden. (If I remember correctly)
2014-11-26 17:32
Yep
2014-11-27 06:17
Nationality is different to citizenship :\
2014-11-27 06:18
Not really.
2014-11-27 13:23
+1
2014-11-25 20:54
n1
2014-11-25 17:33
Mouz never get a break sucks for them…
2014-11-26 01:46
oi m8 dont use my comment as a way to get urs to the top, AND DAYMO M8 GIS US UR LYYYYTTERR
2014-11-26 19:01
used your's because it was useless
2014-11-27 01:35
cant heeeearr you mayte with all those ciggys up in ur brayn, u ciggy butt brayn
2014-11-27 02:18
n1 mouz
2014-11-25 17:33
#5
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Portugal exorN 
lol
2014-11-25 17:33
onlineJ
2014-11-25 17:34
good thing they kept all the french teams, the cancer of the pro scene atm.
2014-11-25 17:34
no qual for them thoe, afaik
2014-11-25 17:35
it doesn't matter. that's how they fight against cheaters? allowing former team-mates to compete one week later? they should be punished for at least one year. this way, players won't cover their backs anymore. i doubt that kqly didn't made some strange calls during matches in the 3 teams he played for.
2014-11-25 17:37
There's absolutely no proof that they knew about one of their teammates cheating, punishing people based on assumptions is plain wrong. If Epsilon and Titan were invited, it means that they didn't play any match, and therefore there's no reason to disqualify them.
2014-11-25 18:14
cuz french is the cancer of the pro scene lmao how new are you in cs ?
2014-11-25 17:49
#126
DSK | 
Albania DSK- 
fuck off idiot becuase 2 frech guys cheated that doesnt mean that every frech cheats.
2014-11-25 17:50
one guy from 1st team france ever had in cs (former VG) and 2nd guy from a top3 team, not long ago top2 team. how much more do you want? without cheats france would be lower than Austria in Counter-Strike.
2014-11-25 17:53
#158
DSK | 
Albania DSK- 
you are denying players like shox, kennyS, NBK, SmithZz, Ex6TenZ and more can you compare them with Australian players ?
2014-11-25 17:57
no, with austrians. australia is a lil bit far from austria. hitler and beethoven are austrians, crocodille dundee is australian. yea, ok, players like those. amongst them also were kqly and superfigher til 4 days ago. why would i assume they didn't knew about those cheats? dodgy as fuck that kqly got busted while in bootcamp house with titan. they haven't said anything atm, set up their story straight and reacted many hours after the hell break loose.
2014-11-25 18:00
beethoven is not austrian you dipshit.
2014-11-25 18:15
germans=austrians same shit doe
2014-11-25 20:21
lolinho
2014-11-25 21:30
#401
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Germany Chris Walker 
Serbians=Russians, all the same slavic shit then?
2014-11-27 06:20
y
2014-11-27 13:37
+1
2014-11-26 02:41
How many times do I read this from frenchies, what is it you love so much about ex6tenz & scream that you call them frenchmen? They are belgians.
2014-11-26 01:56
By that logic any top country in CS can be considered "low without cheats", as all of them had at least one cheater busted. You're not making any sense. Cheat doesn't come from any specific country, it comes from immature people, and we can find those in any country.
2014-11-25 18:17
well, france just had two. those tho rotated in the past year at least 13 players from top17 players in france. it's not like banning pyth or smn.
2014-11-25 18:22
Indeed, it's not, but it doesn't change the fact that accusing a whole country for the actions of individuals is illogical. It's the same reasoning that some HLTV members have on Germany being the nation of cheaters and onliners. It doesn't make sense, it's just used in order to have someone to blame.
2014-11-25 19:10
lmao, first team france ever had in CS ? Heard of GoodGame, aAa, armaTeam ? :-D Guess you weren't born maybe ;-)
2014-11-25 19:51
VG were the most successful team @ cs. it was source, but whatever.
2014-11-25 19:56
I don't know about France, but being a player from NA, I can say that the majority of cheaters here are French-Canadian. Not sure if there's a correlation there or not... #justsaying
2014-11-25 18:30
-titan -epsilon #incoming
2014-11-25 17:34
they are invited :p
2014-11-25 17:36
To be honest it will be unfair if they will be allowed to stay while mouz is kicked.
2014-11-25 17:42
Oo why ?
2014-11-25 17:45
Invite over qualifiers. No cheating to qualify for invite. They will stay with a new 5th
2014-11-25 17:51
But still they got invited because their history (history with cheater in line-up)
2014-11-25 17:52
Do u understand they are disqualified because smn is ban esl ?
2014-11-25 17:56
Collective responsibility. We should let cheaters know that it isnt worth it.
2014-11-25 17:51
coz KQLY and SF were playing in Titan/Epsilon while qualifiers, when mouz got kicked bcoz of smn. thats why. mouz deserved their spot, jezus.
2014-11-25 17:52
#184
MUTiRiS | 
Portugal antCB 
it's the same principle? 2 of each teams players were banned? they ban mouz, they ban epsilon+titan. no brainer.
2014-11-25 18:05
KQLY or Sf are NOT banned on ESL. smn is. ESL kicked mouz due to ESL ban, not VAC ban. Yes, Kappa ESL.
2014-11-25 18:24
#255
MUTiRiS | 
Portugal antCB 
smn was banned on Esea before being vacced/ESL-banned..
2014-11-25 18:43
#9
 | 
Malta WATSKy 
epsilon and titan still on it?
2014-11-25 17:34
#65
 | 
Chile dEaux 
they are invited!
2014-11-25 17:40
mouz are so fucking dumb hahah
2014-11-25 17:34
#11
 | 
Belarus Starvoid 
lold mouz -_-
2014-11-25 17:34
THIS IS BS
2014-11-25 17:34
oh no. i like mouze
2014-11-25 17:34
#14
Netherlands :'( 
titan and epsilon still allowed to play :)
2014-11-25 17:34
Haha. Disqualifie mouz, but Epsilon still can play.. well done. :D
2014-11-25 17:34
Because they are invited. They didn't win slot.
2014-11-26 00:05
mouz deserved that :)
2014-11-25 17:35
yeah of course, smn helped them to win against big teams like Offline Mod CS:GO and UNKNOWN. They wouldve have won these matches without him obviously...
2014-11-25 17:39
#175
 | 
Germany Boeny 
maybe penta is a good team? and smn cheated against them?
2014-11-25 18:01
He didn't play against penta.
2014-11-25 18:12
can you not read?
2014-11-25 18:47
sad. rip cs
2014-11-25 17:35
lol rip mouz
2014-11-25 17:35
thats rough
2014-11-25 17:35
do the same for the french teams so !
2014-11-25 17:35
bs lol
2014-11-25 17:35
no cheaters in Penta? lol
2014-11-25 17:35
#188
 | 
Europe _jUNGLE 
sure, my friend ;) lol
2014-11-25 18:06
Oh, God, stop making people stupid please :c
2014-11-25 17:35
So why is Titan and EPSILON still there? Where's the logic?
2014-11-25 17:36
+10000000
2014-11-25 17:37
^^this, wtf? a cheater ringing for 2 rounds = ban, having full-time cheates = ok?
2014-11-25 17:37
the first two rounds actually... he helped them smash 2 nonamer teams from austria -.-
2014-11-25 17:39
cause they get invited not qualified
2014-11-25 17:41
Cuz smn is ban esl no KQLY
2014-11-25 17:50
played for mousesports during first two rounds lol Smn,what an asshole
2014-11-25 17:37
#28
Germany R3cn 
Mouz so unlucky the past few days :( <3
2014-11-25 17:36
and epsilon and titan are still allowed to play ? w0w, just w0w
2014-11-25 17:36
lol
2014-11-25 17:36
IT BEGINS xD
2014-11-25 17:36
ok now titan and epsilon please
2014-11-25 17:36
fucking smn, mouz having so bad luck with big tournaments.
2014-11-25 17:36
how the hell can they keep epsilon and titan in there.. but kick mouz? EXPLAIN YOURSELF
2014-11-25 17:36
they get disqualified but the cheaterbaguettes are still in there k den
2014-11-25 17:37
LOL
2014-11-25 17:38
Titan and Epsilon are still there....
2014-11-25 17:37
Smn ban esl not KQLY
2014-11-25 17:50
VAC banned players should be automatically ESL banned. Do it ESL!
2014-11-25 17:54
Nop :D different anticheat if u are esl banned u don't have to be banned from vac
2014-11-25 17:58
Yes I know, I mean: If some player get VAC banned, the ESL should take action and also ban him on the ESL.
2014-11-25 18:00
and vice-versa. If a player get ESL ban, Valve should vac ban him too. cheating everywere should be punish the same way.
2014-11-25 19:22
#368
 | 
Portugal dracø 
+1, except that esl can do manual bans, which can be biased
2014-11-26 02:08
I don't like mouse but ESL acted like DICKS on this one: "no, you don't have to go through qualifier, we'll see later" Later after qualifiers "Well, sorry, you are disqualified, no way you could come back, fuck u :)"
2014-11-25 17:37
this.
2014-11-25 17:38
But don't worry, we can "invite" cheaters, because that is totally acceptable.
2014-11-25 17:51
:(
2014-11-25 18:06
first no invite for DHW and now disKQLYfied in Pro League are fucking kidding me ?! they going to turn into terrorists
2014-11-25 17:42
-mouz +cheaters epsilon, titan? (who cares if they've been invited) esl wtf are you doing?
2014-11-25 17:38
This is pretty bullshit, feel bad for mouz.
2014-11-25 17:38
#46
Poland MaYy 
why are there 3 shit german teams?:/ better to add 3DMAX, London Conspiracy and M5[flamie worldedit fox adren]
2014-11-25 17:38
hahaha titan and epsilon still playing :D gz ESL
2014-11-25 17:38
Because they were invited, didn't had to go trough the qualifiers ;)
2014-11-25 21:02
But still they should be removed from this team list :D
2014-11-25 22:05
agreed, but what can we do
2014-11-25 22:11
LOL mouz, such a bad luck
2014-11-25 17:38
mouz disband inc
2014-11-25 17:38
ESL bringing credibility back to cs :D... these fucking people surprise me every time jesus.
2014-11-25 17:38
ahahahahahah
2014-11-25 17:38
bad bad bad rule lol
2014-11-25 17:39
cheaters!
2014-11-25 17:39
#58
World pkka 
What a disgusting decision. Mouz should be able to play, because he was not official member and haven't cheated the first 2 matches (and the first 2 matches he was still not banned from ESEA either).
2014-11-25 17:39
So mouz gets kicked but not Titan and Epsilon? Why is this? This is pretty fun this mouz hunt..
2014-11-25 17:39
Next story? Allu either resigns or explodes.
2014-11-25 17:40
allu is mad as fck now xD
2014-11-25 17:43
Its justified to be mad..
2014-11-25 17:45
agreed
2014-11-25 17:47
Loooool
2014-11-25 17:40
ul mouz
2014-11-25 17:40
It's fine, it gives more presure on other team to make sure none of their teamate cheats. I think the only way wa can beat that virus that is Cheatings, is to increase the ethics within the team, so then they make justice themselves.
2014-11-25 17:40
Epsilon and Titan cheated their way into Pro League. Mouz plays against the worst teams with a standin (who in the end happens to be a cheater) in 2 games which they could have won with 4 players. Gets disqualified. Seems fair.
2014-11-25 17:40
#215
United Kingdom QNo 
+1
2014-11-25 18:17
#67
Portugal inzp 
ouch
2014-11-25 17:40
hahahahahaha ROFL
2014-11-25 17:41
ok...and now ban fnatic from DHW... they played with flusha all the time
2014-11-25 17:41
How people stupid are, thats soo... hltv logic to stronk
2014-11-25 17:41
#72
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Iceland fatboislim 
what about planetkey dynamics titan and epsilon?
2014-11-25 17:41
I dont remember these games, but PLEASE say that tabsen got DDoS'ed and THATS why he wasnt playing, please, please!
2014-11-25 17:41
So the baguette cartel can still play but mouz who played with smn like three unimportant matches gets disqualified? xD
2014-11-25 17:41
just lol
2014-11-25 17:42
erm are we all missing something here? WHY THE FUCK ARE EPSILON AND TITAN STILL THERE THEN
2014-11-25 17:42
vac ban =/= esl ban :C
2014-11-25 17:43
Smn was esea banned then vac banned right? from what i just read they banned him because hes a cheater it doesnt say he was caught on esl cheating so why are titan and epsilon still allowed their spots when players from their teams have been vacced??
2014-11-25 17:45
Basically: ESL is german, so they ban a german in order for a german team to play this league. What doesn't make sense?
2014-11-25 19:20
mouz would have won the qualifier even without smn but the decision is legit
2014-11-25 17:42
Vac ban lel
2014-11-25 17:42
ul chris
2014-11-25 17:42
(16:3 vs. "Offline Mod CS:GO" & 16:2 vs. „UNKNOWN") "the scores look very tight, they woul'd never win without a cheater in team!" ahaha they would win if they played even with 4 MAN without smn. It's just useless!
2014-11-25 17:43
#83
 | 
Poland kRAMERO 
what is doing titan and epsilon there then?
2014-11-25 17:43
RIP CS:GO
2014-11-25 17:43
#87
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Vietnam yolesnoobs 
Disqualify Titan and Epsilon, then. :/
2014-11-25 17:43
Mouz have had a shit week...wow
2014-11-25 17:43
that is so fucked up
2014-11-25 17:43
mouz really unlucky lately lol
2014-11-25 17:43
#93
hypn | 
Serbia hypn` 
I thought someone went on VACation from mouz (chrisJ) :D
2014-11-25 17:44
this is soooo sad
2014-11-25 17:44
n1
2014-11-25 17:44
mouz really getting fucked over these past few days
2014-11-25 17:44
ESL at its best :D
2014-11-25 17:44
hahahahahahahahahaha
2014-11-25 17:45
titan and epsilon lol
2014-11-25 17:45
hahahaha
2014-11-25 17:46
wow poor mouz.. chrisJ will be mad again and he will be right, again !
2014-11-25 17:46
Unfortunately... But i agree we need 0 toleration about pro-cheaters. 0
2014-11-25 17:46
ESL you suck.. You think even without smn and getting some silver shit they won´t qualify when they were playing against nonamers too? My gosh..
2014-11-25 17:46
people are stupid. titan and epsilon were invited
2014-11-25 17:47
they still shouldnt be allowed to play, being caught with a cheater and all...
2014-11-25 17:49
in your opinion they should not be invited anymore and disband ?
2014-11-25 18:08
no not disband, but shouldnt be invited this season, since they played with a cheater for how long...
2014-11-25 20:01
well this is a fresh new league and for me the only league they should be allowed to play atm. what do you think about their esea attendance ? Esea should not have allowed them to attend as they qualified with the help of a cheater
2014-11-25 20:13
i definitely think they should be dq'd from esea too.
2014-11-25 20:15
uninvite? :D
2014-11-25 18:00
why ? afaik they got rid of the cheaters ? it's not like they qualified with the help of the cheaters ?
2014-11-25 18:05
of course they qulified with the help of cheaters. instead of going through the regular qualifiers they got invited because of their past performances which were achieved by cheating.
2014-11-25 19:06
titan was invited because they are a top team, they were a top team long before kqly joined them 2 months ago and didn't achieved much in those 2 months with him
2014-11-25 19:14
but the top team they were 2 months ago is in fact not the same team as the current on with kqly. the new titan was basically the old ldlc (kqly, maniac, apex) plus kennys and ex6. so it doesnt matter if they were invited for their performances as old ldlc or as new titan, they have all been with kqly in the lineup. and no, they are not invited for the performance of only two players (kennys & ex6) from two months ago.
2014-11-25 19:33
my point is they got invited because they are titan , their performance with this lineup or the old one doesn't matter .
2014-11-25 19:54
ah i see orgas shouldnt just be invited automatically... but could be what happened there :S
2014-11-25 19:57
hypocrite
2014-11-25 17:47
#114
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Portugal dracø 
fucking disrespect to mouz as an organization. Epsilon and titan are still in regardless the vac ban. Mouz DQ for using a vac banned player only for 2 matches against 2 tier 514651465165 German teams that they could as easily rekt in a 4v5.
2014-11-25 17:47
#160
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Europe  Skaarj  
Exactly :/
2014-11-25 17:57
This is so unfair.
2014-11-25 17:48
rofl what a fucking bullshit is this
2014-11-25 17:48
thats gotta hurt mouz soooo bad, they could have 4v5'd those 2 teams that they used smn as a stand in for, and now this happens
2014-11-25 17:48
#119
Estonia rYm 
aahahh bunch of onlineRz i'm happy for them! chrisJ's best friend "smn" GL
2014-11-25 17:49
really lame for mouz
2014-11-25 17:49
HAHAHAHAHAHA ESL being as stupid as ever!
2014-11-25 17:49
Looooooooool Super REKT
2014-11-25 17:50
RIPERINO LOL
2014-11-25 17:50
Wow, these guys who makes this decisions is such hypocrotte....
2014-11-25 17:51
#131
 | 
United Kingdom Swannaz 
That is a fucking bullshit move by ESL. Like Mouz needed SMN to win anyway. Dumb cunts
2014-11-25 17:51
getting assrapedv2. Goodluck to the other teams :)
2014-11-25 17:51
ahahahaha
2014-11-25 17:52
without any evidence.. sad that admins are so stupid nowadays...
2014-11-25 17:54
shouldve played with smn for a while, gotten better results and a direct invite, so you would still be playing in this tournament Kappa
2014-11-25 18:11
this ^
2014-11-25 19:08
#133
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Sweden Kasidro 
Feel sad for mouz in this case. Would probably have won 4v5
2014-11-25 17:51
#139
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Italy 1nf3rn4L 
UNlucky Mouz
2014-11-25 17:52
This is so illogic, ESL acted so bad in this case, smn was a stand in against no name teams, and then they qualified rightfully. Shame on ESL
2014-11-25 17:52
gg mouz xd
2014-11-25 17:52
mouz can disband... first lilrobban invited shit instead of mouz cuz he thinks they´re hacking... now ESL cuz they´re thinking mouz knew SMN was hacking... since VACenning all are against mouz without evidence the FRENCH guys are hacking DEAL WITH IT stupid admins... but no...let Titan and epsilon play...idiots... (i´m not a mouz fanboy but it´s not fair... NO ONE got banned... and i think they´re all clean)
2014-11-25 17:53
idiot german Smn ban esl not KQLY :DDDDDDDDDD
2014-11-25 17:57
smn = esea ban
2014-11-25 18:04
also esl 12pps timetable
2014-11-25 19:02
lol...didn´t know...
2014-11-25 19:09
What you are writing about me is totally incorrect. I invited 4 teams based on result and had my reasons for it. All aproved. Not even the mouz-members are angry at me anymore (not on the tilt-level of novels about how much i suck)
2014-11-25 18:29
Did u notice mouz did win VP and C9?
2014-11-25 18:44
Wait a fucking moment... YOU decided that?!? So now some freaking biased admin decides who's allowed to qualify and who's not, solely based on his personal little ranking. How fucked up is that?! How did you come up with that ranking?!? Which of these other 4 teams played 1-2 against fnatic (the current #1) on a LAN event and just lost it in the OT of the third map? Considering that every team that qualified gets already a shitload of money from the sticker sales and 2 out of these 4 teams qualified (and mouz had pretty good chances to beat these teams), this is close to a sham. Absolute disgrace. Seriously, this can't be for real... Funny enough that you're a Swede and that all 4 times you invited are Scandinavian teams. Let alone the fact that myXMG got already a pretty questionable invite (you could have put myXMG in that qualifier too, together with mouz). I'm not even a fan of that mouz team, actually I was always one of the most vocal people here when it came to criticizing their players, but I respect their dedication and all the work they put into their dream. Beside that mousesports is a great organisation who always supported CS and things like that are also a backlash for the people who work behind the curtains of the organisation. This just wasn't right...
2014-11-25 18:55
u cant expect an average orga person to have a functioning brain
2014-11-25 19:04
Its Dreamhack, bro! Dreamhack without prefering sca. teams and kidding other teams is not dreamhack! Haha guys, deal with that : CS GO grows faster than the organisations and clans! The pricepool is 4-5 times higher than it always was, but the same kids and dumbheads are managing the shit in the ways they did 10 years before!
2014-11-26 08:51
I'd like to see your reasons.
2014-11-25 19:19
HAHAHAHAHAHA
2014-11-25 17:54
#151
chrisJ | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
Not fair on Mouz at all. Bad admin decision imo
2014-11-25 17:54
VP FTW
2014-11-25 17:54
disKQLYfied
2014-11-25 17:55
#155
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Bulgaria bUHALOVIC 
Why PENTA, not Gplay? They was in the wb semifinals
2014-11-25 17:57
2014-11-25 18:08
PENTA ? RLY ?
2014-11-25 17:58
xd
2014-11-25 17:59
Lame
2014-11-25 17:59
Why isn't fnatic playing in the pro league? (I'm not that into esl, no rage please)
2014-11-25 18:00
Probably didn't want to.
2014-11-25 18:03
So they get disqualified because they had a cheater on their team vs. teams they would have beaten the shit out of anyway? k den.
2014-11-25 18:01
#174
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
seems like mouz is cursed, might aswell disband
2014-11-25 18:01
#182
m0nt | 
Australia m0nt 
poor allu
2014-11-25 18:05
#185
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United States ShuteMoney 
This is the stupidest thing i ever heard, even if smn cheated during that time they def didnt need him to win, its not like he made them make it into the league
2014-11-25 18:06
Inb4 ChrisJ RAGE!
2014-11-25 18:06
dafuq?! esl wtf?
2014-11-25 18:06
Well if this is how logic goes. Shoulndt PKD be disqualified from DHW. I know its a different organization. But shouldnt they all follow the same logic? Oh yeah, forgot the scene is a wild west on the mercy of underpaid admins.
2014-11-25 18:09
Used smn to beat 2 easy teams, get DQ. Epsilon & Titan use cheaters to build their whole team career, allowed to play. Logic -9999/10
2014-11-25 18:10
very poor decision making by the organizers
2014-11-25 18:11
#198
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Finland joona 
:DDDDDDDDDDDDD
2014-11-25 18:12
good, no mercy for cheating pieces of shit
2014-11-25 18:12
PENTA is lucky team
2014-11-25 18:13
cheatsports..
2014-11-25 18:13
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKT
2014-11-25 18:14
Zero logic
2014-11-25 18:14
like they would win those matches 4v5?
2014-11-25 18:15
hurt.
2014-11-25 18:15
haha bye allu
2014-11-25 18:16
so titan and epsilon are allowed to play. and mousesport not? flawless logic there. guess esl pro league doesnt like mouse
2014-11-25 18:16
#212
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Europe gnaaa 
sucks
2014-11-25 18:16
Good decision
2014-11-25 18:19
facepalm
2014-11-25 18:19
deserved
2014-11-25 18:20
feel bad for mouz...they have been going through shit recently
2014-11-25 18:20
expected
2014-11-25 18:21
ik zou kk hard huilen wtf man 16:3 and 16:2
2014-11-25 18:21
Insane...
2014-11-25 18:21
mouz out and titan/epsilon in? logic?
2014-11-25 18:21
ahahahahajajahhahahha
2014-11-25 18:22
This is bullshit... fking ESL Bad times for mouz :( I am so mad right now
2014-11-25 18:24
SO BAD CALL, IDIOTS
2014-11-25 18:23
#230
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Sweden shirre 
This is a bit harsh imo. smn was never a part of the team and mousesports gets disqualified because he cheated? What about Titan and Epsilon that got their own players VAC-banned? They can still play? :S I think rematches would be more fair than a disqualification.
2014-11-25 18:26
rematches? smn played in first two matches in qualification - you would like to rematch whole ladder? ;) Ladder: play.eslgaming.com/counterstrike/csgo/cs..
2014-11-25 18:30
#243
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Sweden shirre 
I meant the two matches he played with mousesports, not all of them. This still isn't fair. How the fuck can Titan and Epsilon be allowed to play? smn wasn't even a part of the team and just a random stand-in.
2014-11-25 18:32
kanker esl
2014-11-25 18:26
inb4 mouz disband
2014-11-25 18:27
Not nice
2014-11-25 18:29
:/
2014-11-25 18:29
This doesn't make any sense... they have no proof that he was cheating during those matches, and they're essentially doing this because he was banned from a totally different, unrelated entity (vac) weeks later. As much as I'm against cheaters, it's not mouz's fault that ESL's anticheat wasn't good enough to detect if a stand-in was cheating or not. You can't just go and ban him and the entire team he stood in for because he happened to get vac'd weeks later... That makes no sense. Stupid morons.
2014-11-25 18:29
smn is also ESL banned and this is major reason to ESL to act. He is lucky (or stupid!)- ESEA ban, VAC ban, ESL ban ;-D
2014-11-25 18:31
Inb4 Titan and Epsilon disqualified, mouz invited.
2014-11-25 18:33
Disqualify Titan and Epsilon too then. What the fuck is this?
2014-11-25 18:37
#250
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Europe  Skaarj  
+1
2014-11-25 18:38
+1
2014-11-25 18:43
+1
2014-11-26 00:00
+1
2014-12-01 07:57
sad
2014-11-25 18:37
Playing two games which they won easily, and still being banned. Thats fucking rude for the whole team. If I would play in mouz I would personally visit smn's house and kick his ass.
2014-11-25 18:37
That's a retarded choice...
2014-11-25 18:39
Officially REKT. GG.
2014-11-25 18:45
REKT chrisJ
2014-11-25 18:41
Plantkey played with cLy too in the pro legues and they added them so no logic ... ?
2014-11-25 18:42
Feel sorry for mousesports its getting beyond a joke for them guys..
2014-11-25 18:46
But Planetkey won German EPS with cLy, so what's the problem? lol if you dq'd mouz, dq titan and epsilon
2014-11-25 18:50
gg low orga geht euch begraben ... hauptsache flusha kann sogar auf lan rage aimbot usen
2014-11-25 18:54
Well, this has been a really shitty week for mouz. I feel genuinely bad for them.
2014-11-25 18:55
so stupid
2014-11-25 19:00
poor decision if u still allow titan and epsilon play the league mouz really gets it big time lately with the pathetic non-invite of the dreamhack qualifier aswell as this questionable "kick" of pro league
2014-11-25 19:02
is it some kind of joke? coz it's just dumb...
2014-11-25 19:05
mouz died with cyx anyway.
2014-11-25 19:06
this bald fuck is also putting a few lines in dll, obvious since 1942.
2014-11-25 19:12
Good job! Give the cheaters what they deserve, sorry for Mousesports. They (probably) didn´t know that their stand in is a cheater, but that´s the only fair solution. "Although Beck was not caught cheating in the two matches he played as a stand-in for mousesports," That just means NOTHING. As most people should know now, also an increasing of the aim only by 5% is possible. Now starting to discuss in which game he was cheating or not is just stupid. He is a cheater? YES! So just punish him, doesn´t matter in which games he cheated. It´s like in running sports a man would get caught cheating and he starts arguing, "but I was only cheating in the last 20 meters, the first 80m were totaly legit. Please just give punish me for the last 20m" -.-
2014-11-25 19:13
#332
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Mexico TurboDreams 
By that Logic, Titan and Epsilon should not be invited given that they also had a cheater. Like you said "it doesn't matter which games they cheated."
2014-11-25 21:16
kick a cheater then adds more cheaters GG
2014-11-25 19:15
RIP ALLU
2014-11-25 19:16
#282
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Germany lpSykl 
but EPSILON stys?!?!? realy
2014-11-25 19:19
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL its not funny but its funny at the same time... poor mouz :\
2014-11-25 19:24
Why Fnatic are not in the tornament.
2014-11-25 19:25
and Titan or fnatic not kicked? fucking double standards
2014-11-25 19:27
this is sad, i think we need a organisation like FIFA but then for CSGO. I feel sorry for ChrisJ.
2014-11-25 19:32
#293
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Netherlands Nieroth 
Haha ESL, wow. They better get rid of titan and epsilon as well. But ofcourse they wont because they need the big names in their tourney to be taken seriously. Such hypocrites. Mouz unlucky as per usual, huge big up to mouz for still trying again every goddamn time.
2014-11-25 19:33
lol mouz :D
2014-11-25 19:47
no mouz, no onlineJ, thx ESL!!!
2014-11-25 19:59
cash rules everything
2014-11-25 19:59
next - mykpv cheaters
2014-11-25 20:00
I'm confused. So mousesports had a player from another team as a stand in for the qualifiers, in which got busted for cheating later, and now mousesports are disqualified from the actual tournament? What about Titan and Epsilon? Or were they invited without having to qualify, so they never played with a cheater for this tournament?
2014-11-25 20:06
you answered your own question
2014-11-25 20:20
I know, but I was looking for confirmation that I understood.
2014-11-25 20:44
#311
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United States darkun 
difference being mouz are men and not pansy frenchwomen
2014-11-25 20:19
#313
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Brazil bandicoot 
I think smn's life is at risk now, sometimes you just step too far
2014-11-25 20:21
DISQUALIFY TITAN AND EPSILON! ESL BASTARDS
2014-11-25 20:22
CSGO IS BECOMING A FUCKING SHIT LOL. 16-3 vs a noob team that would lose only vs allu and chrisJ and only because a fucking kid and pig face cheater stand ins for them they are disqualified? AHHAHAHA
2014-11-25 20:24
BTW U NOOB ADMINS WHERE IS TITAN AND EPSILON DISQUALIFIED??????????????????' CS IS BECOMING A SHIT.... PLAYERS ONLY WANT MONEY, ADMINS ONLY WANT THEIR FAVORITE TEAMS ON THE TOURNAMENT AND VIEWERS ONLY CARE ABOUT SKINS AND EGAMING BETS. GG CSGO. -CSGO +1.6
2014-11-25 20:26
This is unfair for mose. Titan and epsylon are on coz they didn't cheat...
2014-11-25 20:34
#320
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Netherlands jen5on 
People everywhere seem to cheat, and mouz gets fucked over 2nd time this week.. Mouz doesn't deserve this imo. They're attending every qualifier and seem to be the team that's playing by far the most games lately. Since the 'onliner/cheater' argument is pretty much invalid now (cheaters can be on every team, 'lanproof' or not), I don't know why mouz keeps getting bothered in having the opportunity to be a stable topteam. If they let Epsilon and Titan play, this decision makes no sense at all.
2014-11-25 20:36
You're being biased because of chris, there should be 0 tolerance for cheating involved acts. I'm also against titan and pepsilon playing, but the fact is that they got invited. Cs scene is fucked up now, and we should expect moves like this worldwide
2014-11-25 21:11
hahaha this is ridiculous.... poor mouz.
2014-11-25 20:38
get_rekt
2014-11-25 20:46
Good move buy ESL, 0 tolerance against cheaters, and everyone else involved, +1 from me, but inviting penta ain't gonna help much since they're dodgy as mouz is ...
2014-11-25 21:04
rip
2014-11-25 21:08
so they invite teams with their ACTUAL players VAC'd to the tournament and then kick teams who had a stand-in get VAC'd. GG ESL! Way to go...
2014-11-25 21:32
sad
2014-11-25 21:47
#341
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Denmark fyhn 
Wow, that's really unlucky for mouz.
2014-11-25 21:50
But Titan and Epsilon ... In my openion it doesnt matter if they were invited or not .. Wasnt Titan invited for the dreamhack 2 ????
2014-11-25 21:59
lol @ the random ChrisJ namedrop
2014-11-25 22:01
2014-11-25 22:04
#349
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Sweden aN0x- 
gay porn there dont go
2014-11-25 22:27
lmao
2014-11-25 22:21
This is just ridiculous! First the unreasoned decision of Valve not to invite them to the re-qualifications at DHW and now this bs. So much bad "luck" and poor decision making against Mousesports! Seriously now this?
2014-11-25 22:29
Oh yeah and OF COURSE Titan and Epsilon may attend. Yeah because Mousesports' stand in player cheated them through the qualifications against some unknown noob teams... fair.
2014-11-25 22:33
#367
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Portugal dracø 
not even through the qualifications.. it was only 2 games against tier 146145616 teams .. I'm pretty sure that they would've won even 4v5.
2014-11-26 01:58
allu goes mad ! first dhw & now this , trololol
2014-11-25 22:39
rly wtf. feels like im living in russia. No rules and all is fukdup, wp.
2014-11-25 22:50
What the FUCK? Titan and Epsilon are still in.
2014-11-25 23:05
hahah this is so fucking ridiculous :DD smn played just a few rounds and this is result for that.
2014-11-25 23:46
shit happens
2014-11-26 00:03
Thats Pathetic. Mouz get banned for played 2 rounds with a person who had VAC ban. But Titan and Epsilon are still aloud to play. How the fuck does this work? SO Titan and Epsilon get away with it? Thats fucking rediculous. Seriously wtf?
2014-11-26 00:06
they was invited before anyone know these vac bans. They have to find a new team player ofc. but yeah its still weird.
2014-11-26 00:19
The differnce is that smn recieved a ESL Cheating Ban for a Timetable someone handed in. ESL doesnt care about VAC out of Major Events. I know its ridiculous but its their rules and they follow them. Bullshit for me aswell
2014-11-27 01:37
that sucks for mouz :(
2014-11-26 03:06
So unfair...
2014-11-26 05:15
This could be the killshot for mouz! As far as i know, they dont have a good standing with sponsors at the moment! Now the dreamhack shit and no EPL.I guess the organisation could be really in trouble next year. I guess if they dont win EPS finals, they are done next year.
2014-11-26 08:58
That kid looks like a worm.
2014-11-26 09:08
Lost all respect for the ones who decided this, this is just wrong in too many ways..
2014-11-26 09:48
ahahaha GJ
2014-11-26 09:59
Right when Allu joined I called they'd become a HUGE success, they did. It's a huge blow not being able to watch them compete since they used a cheater who was stand-in for 2 rounds, what a shame. Much love to mouz though, such a great German gang.
2014-11-26 12:21
why the fakkerino wont you disKQLYfy titan and espilon? i dont care whether they were invited or not as they gained their "hi we r gud team pls invite" -status with a cheater on their teams.. invite mouz back or disKQLYfy titan and epsilon too you stupid admin n00bs
2014-11-26 17:08
fnatic out: flusha obvious mouz in! OR RIOT!
2014-11-26 17:29
Yet epsilon and titan are in?
2014-11-26 17:31
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