What did we learn from DH Winter?

lurppis
December 2nd, 2014 20:10

In this article we take a look at the biggest takeaways from the fourth CS:GO major, held this past weekend, DreamHack Winter 2014.

In an article titled "Biggest storylines for DreamHack" we outlined the biggest things to look out for while following the action at this past week's $250,000 major tournament.

Now three days of top level Counter-Strike: Global Offensive smarter, we've received answer to those questions and more, and we take a look at it all in this writeup.


What did we learn from DreamHack Winter 2014?

 

LDLC are, right now, the world's best

LDLC have been the world's number two team since it was built during the big French roster shakeup in early September. They have finished second to Titan, whose Hovik "KQLY" Tovmassian may or may not have been cheating, at DreamHack Stockholm. They then topped SLTV StarSeries XI Finals over Na`Vi and Titan, before surprisingly losing to iBUYPOWER in the semi-finals of FACEIT League Season 2 Finals. Then the Frenchmen finished runner-ups to fnatic at both ESWC and Fragbite Masters Finals. Now, just under three months after the team was built, they are world champions.

Looking at every team's results since the previous major, the only team whose record is comparable to that of LDLC's is fnatic. The Swedes of Markus "pronax" Wallsten were dominant and won every event but DreamHack Stockholm since the previous major. They were always better than LDLC up until now, but they crumbled when it mattered the most, and a number one finish at a major, combined with constant second place finishes, ranks up higher than a number of wins, and then a quarter-finals exit at a major.

Some will put an asterisk next to LDLC's win unfairly, due to the protest that took place in the quarter-final against fnatic. The fact is LDLC were up 13-3 despite fnatic already abusing a clearly map-breaking glitch in the pistol round, and would have much more than likely cruised away with a win had fnatic not started abusing the boost spot Olof "olofmeister" Kajbjer found himself in practically every round of the half - but more on that later.

Nearly nine months removed from being stripped to the title of the world's best, the former VeryGames and Titan trio of Richard "shox" Papillon, Nathan "NBK-" Schmitt and Edouard "SmithZz" Dubourdeaux, together with two LDLC and Clan-Mystik talents Vincent "Happy" Schopenhauer and Fabien "kioShiMa" Fiey, now get to call themselves world champions, and the world's best team at this time.


World champions

 

Happy is the HLTV.org DH Winter 2014 MVP

Though Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg raced ahead of Happy in the public's MVP vote - probably partly due to his highlight worthy actions in the grand final - the official HLTV.org MVP of DreamHack Winter 2014 is the world champions' in-game leader, Happy.

Happy finished with a plus-1.00 rating in seven of nine maps he played at DreamHack Winter - the two maps with a sub-1.00 rating being LDLC's fairly lopsided losses, 8-16 to fnatic and 4-16 to NiP, in the playoffs. Out of the seven maps with an above average rating, he finished five with a plus-1.20 rating - truly remarkable number. In the first map of the grand final he put up a 28/13 score for +15 and a 1.58 rating, and he was also a huge reason as to how LDLC were able to top their group with a 24/15 score in the group stage battle versus the Ninjas.

Happy was fifth at the event with his 0.81 KPR, and fifth as well with a kill, assist or survival in 70% of all rounds played at the event - which proves the incredible consistency he performed with. He had the most clutch rounds out of his team, and the most multi-kill rounds. Though he didn't engage in too many entry kill battles, he came out on top in 71% of them, or 22 out of 31 times.

That he did all of this while being the in-game leader, a part-time AWPer, and a clutch player, shows why he was our Most Valuable Player at DreamHack Winter 2014. Earlier in the year we have mentioned that Happy was one of the most underrated players in the world, thanks to LDLC's constant growth under his leadership, but after this performance he should slowly gather a big enough following to become properly rated.


Happy is HLTV.org's official DH Winter 2014 MVP

 

NiP are back

NiP came into DreamHack Winter fresh off a bootcamp at a big mansion in Sweden, trying to rush Mikail "Maikelele" Bill's implementation to the defending major champions. Though most wrote them off coming into the event, their strategy advisor Faruk "pita" Pita expected the Ninjas to win it all - a bold statement from a team who only had three or so weeks to implement a new player to their system.

Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson confided to HLTV.org before the event that he felt NiP's key to success was allowing Maikelele to roam free and build their new game style around him, and according to an interview with us, that is exactly what NiP did. And guess what - it paid major dividends as NiP made it back to their fourth consecutive grand final, despite struggling to perform for as long as five months, save for four days of great play in Cologne.

As I expected in my pre-event article, f0rest once again elevated his level of play after a roster change. He finished the event with the seventh best rating at 1.15, down a little from his career average, but probably at least on par, if not above, his average for 2014. He put up 0.82 kills per round - third best at the event - had a few vintage-f0rest performances against HellRaisers on de_inferno and Planetkey Dynamics on de_overpass, and got himself into a number of highlight clips.

f0rest had either a kill or an assist in 77% of NiP's round wins - nearly 15% more than the team's lowest contributor Maikelele - and either got a kill or an assist, or survived, 89,2% of NiP's won rounds. He scored an entry frag in 31 of NiP's 166 won rounds, and had by far the best rating out of NiP players in the rounds they won - 1.79, some 0.17 above Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund's second best number in their team. He also ranked number two, behind LDLC captain Happy, with a kill in 54% of all rounds played.

NiP will now get to take a well deserved vacation to close out 2014, having been directly invited to MLG Aspen, and then begin preparation for the first big tournament of 2015, to be held in Colorado at the end of January. NiP will get better from here once Maikelele fully adjusts to the team, and vice versa, and that will only make the Counter-Strike scene more competitive in 2015.


Despite the unfortunate ending, NiP are again among the very best

 

fnatic's questionable antics

It's hard for me to argue for fnatic in their boost drama. For top level players to find out about such an obviously map-breaking glitch two months in advance, and to ask others to keep it a secret from the general public - and Valve, who could have easily fixed it in time for the major - and expect it to fly, seems ridiculous to me.

If fnatic had used that on a single round, such as the second round force buy that saw olofmeister score two Scout headshots to the sewer area from far above, maybe they could have made it fly with the admins. There was confusion as to whether a pixelwalking rule existed for this event, and thus maybe doing it once could have been overlooked.

However, to abuse such a clearly map-breaking glitch for an entire half, to me, is simply unacceptable. I was surprised by Patrik "cArn" Sättermon's tweet, which in my opinion sent a message to the new CS:GO fans following their first matches, that Counter-Strike is all about abusing glitches and finding what seem to be unfair advantages. That obviously is not at all what Counter-Strike is about.

A case can be made that any team would have abused the spot had they known about it, or that there were no rules against it. That's fine. But you can't look at me in the eye with a straight face and tell me that boost was fair. No one, not even fnatic's players, would allow that boost to be used if they were put in the place of the tournament admin, and another team asked them about it.

What for me says that fnatic, in hindsight at least, agree, is their decision to withdraw their protest and to forfeit the deciding map. I think regardless of the community's opinion, unless the decision came from cArn and the fnatic organization, you have to stick by your guns if you think you are right. fnatic changed their mind, and forfeited a chance at a second major win.


olofm's boost caused a huge controversy

 

The scene wins, thanks to the final day

Though fnatic's now-illegal boost on de_overpass and the drama surrounding it and both teams' protests almost siderailed DreamHack Winter for around eighteen hours, the incredible games witnessed on the final day of competition, combined with fnatic's decision to withdraw their protest and bail out of the event, made up for the issues and ultimately made DreamHack Winter a great event.

NiP versus Virtus.pro quickly made us forget about the issues as the two long-time rivals, with some of their players' rivalries going back more than five years, went head-to-head for three maps, including a double overtime thriller in the opener. Then LDLC and Natus Vincere had a solid two map affair, but none of it compared to the grand final. First two maps were solid - though de_inferno wound up being one-sided - but the third deciding map was simply incredible.

Two of the world's best teams took on each other on de_overpass for $50,000 - the difference between first and second place finish - and had to go into overtime to decide the eventual victors. Considering the stakes, that map may be the best Counter-Strike we've ever seen played. Expect the VOD of the match to live on forever as we re-watch LDLC's triumph from a 4-11 deficit.


Final day of matches was incredible

 

The group stage format needs a change

Traveling thousands of miles to play two maps simply isn't fun. Ask iBUYPOWER or Bravado, or Vox Eminor - if we look back that far. Not only is it not exciting watching teams only play two or three games in the group stage, it sucks for the teams - though no longer financially - to dedicate their lives to perfecting their craft and then not getting more than two chances to show what they are capable of.

Now with Valve and DreamHack hosting the nearly week-long bootcamp at Inferno Online for all teams, there's no more excuses for not extending the group stage. A number of players in our pre-event interviews stated they wished a group stage format similar to that of The International - one I have also suggested previously - would be used at these events to give everyone more matches to play.

If we simply moved the group stage to a location such as Inferno Online, and removed the bootcamp, we could instead of four groups of four teams, have two groups of eight teams. That would guarantee everyone a total of seven matches, and we could feasibly play them out in best-of-three. Now that would make for an incredible group stage, and ensure the best teams make it out to bracket play.

As an added benefit, it would guarantee the two best teams could not meet in the quarter-finals - no more would one best-of-one upset, such as HellRaisers taking down fnatic, knock the Swedes down enough to have to play a team who in the other group would have surely placed in the top two. It would serve as a better seeding system for the playoffs, and it would be preferred by practically every player, and spectator. It's time for change.


Safe to say teams like Bravado would benefit from more games

 

dignitas can't perform when it matters the most

Though Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen, perhaps jokingly, said in our pre-DreamHack interview that there would be no more chokerino coming from the Danish side, that is exactly what happened once again once the playoff portion of the tournament started. After two convincing wins over PENTA and iBUYPOWER, dignitas met Na`Vi - an arguably very strong opponent - in the quarter-finals. They lost their map of choice, de_cobblestone, 3-16, and then surrendered a 12-3 lead on de_mirage to lose 13-16, and 0-2 overall.

Especially disappointing was once again the team's star player, one of the best players in the world, Nicolai "device" Reedtz. Though his career averages make him the tenth best rated player in the world, in big playoff games he constantly disappears, as was the case in Jönköping, where he finished the Na`Vi series at the bottom of the scoreboard for dignitas, with 23 kills in 48 rounds, good for 0.48 KPR, and K-D difference of -17 and a rating of 0.62. For comparison his career averages are 0.79 KPR and a rating of 1.16.

It's unfair to blame just device for dignitas' troubles, but often a team's star player is the most recognized member of the squad and thus gets both credit for its success and the blame for losses. The truth is the problem is team wide, and it may very well take more than added experience to overcome. Only future will tell whether this team will ever get over the hump, and if so, what it will take from them.


What is holding dignitas back?

 

Americans are missing more than just practice

Before the event we wondered whether practice had been all that Cloud9 were missing, all that was separating them from the team with seemingly tons of unrealized potential, to a potential future world champion. Well, if it is just practice, it's a lot more than you could realistically say is just preparation for an event. More will have to be done before Cloud9 can be expected to be competing for podium finishes at major type event.

The North Americans were in Europe non-stop for roughly five weeks, spending a few days at Logitech's headquarters, attending three tournaments, and bootcamping the rest of the time in Stockholm. If all they needed was a few more weeks of practice to put them over the edge and into contention of titles, they would have been there now. In reality, there's still a sizable gap between them and consistent top finishes, especially after three consecutive group stage exits in Europe.

iBUYPOWER's weak performance was hardly a surprise to anyone, as the roster change from Sam "DaZeD" Marine and Joshua "steel" Nissan to Derek "desi" Branchen and Nick "nitr0" Cannella was by everyone interpreted as a long-term investment; something that would hopefully pay off in 2015 once the team gets used to its new players. iBP went from a legitimately exciting team to the team who had exited three majors in a row during the group stage. Adding insult to injury, ESEA's rules prevent desi from playing at the upcoming Finals with the team, so they're attending with Eric "adreN" Hoag instead.

The North Americans now get to go to ESEA Invite Season 17 Global Finals, where they often do much better than in Europe. This time it may not be the case with four Europeans in attendance and the wind likely blown out of the so-called home teams' sails. Whatever it is missing, North America still have not figured it out.


Cloud9 could be in trouble

 

CZ-75 must be nerfed

The issue of CZ-75's strength has been almost beat to death by now, but with the tournament calendar done for the year in a week, we can finally expect Valve to act on it and try to again find a way to nerf the machine gun-pistol. Every single player in our pre-event interview series said the gun needs to be nerfed, and the eye-test of having watched all of DreamHack Winter obviously seconds that.

The biggest complaint these days seems to be how the CZ-75's strength actually makes its perfect partner, the AWP, way too powerful. Considering fnatic's Jesper "JW" Wecksell may be the world's most dangerous player with that duo, and even he wants the gun nerfed, there should be no more discussion as to whether it needs to change - only how.

I believe a good way to please everyone would be to make the CZ-75 an SMG, and raise its price to $1,000. That way it could still be a strong weapon for the second round of each half, but it would make the AWP pairing impossible, and make it a much riskier purchase later on in the half. Otherwise Valve will need to find a way to nerf it, either by lowering the damage it does, or lowering its rate of fire, which has proven to be a tough task.

At DreamHack Winter 2014, CZ-75 was number four in terms of how many kills were scored with each weapon - just behind AK-47, Colt M4A1-S and AWP. While the two most popular weapons make up for over 52% of all kills, CZ-75's number was, respectably, over 8% - well above that of the M4A4, which accounted for 5,3% of all kills.

Pistol rounds included, CZ-75 is responsible for 38,6% of all pistol kills. When the comparison is shifted to pistols only, the numbers get even uglier. A staggering 56,5% of all pistol frags, excluding pistol rounds, in Jönköping's major were completed with the CZ-75. For comparison, P250 ranked second with 20,3% while USP-S came in third at 7,1%. The latter goes to show how incredibly popular the CZ-75 is in the game's save rounds.

Valve's goal has been said to be making CZ-75, Five-SeveN and Tec-9 equally popular, but out of that trio, CZ-75 gobbles up more than 93% all kills. There's not much more that needs to be said.


Click to enlarge - CZ-75's usage is off the charts

 

With only ESEA Invite Season 17 Global Finals left in the tournament calendar for the big teams in our scene, 2014 is all but wrapped up for the top competitive scene.

Coming up next will be our official world ranking for December of 2014, the Top 20 Player Rankings, as well as a new series to reward the year's best individual performers.

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France Nathan 'NBK-' Schmitt
Nathan 'NBK-' Schmitt
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1191
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.16
France Edouard 'SmithZz' Dubourdeaux
Edouard 'SmithZz' Dubourdeaux
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
1065
KPR:
0.66
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.14
France Vincent 'Happy' Schopenhauer
Vincent 'Happy' Schopenhauer
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1063
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.12
Denmark Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1034
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.15
United States Nick 'nitr0' Cannella
Nick 'nitr0' Cannella
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
599
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.16
Sweden Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.17
Maps played:
1158
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.62
APR:
0.15
Denmark Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
937
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.13
Sweden Jesper 'JW' Wecksell
Jesper 'JW' Wecksell
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1118
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.15
United States Eric 'adreN' Hoag
Eric 'adreN' Hoag
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
426
KPR:
0.66
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.15
France Richard 'shox' Papillon
Richard 'shox' Papillon
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1125
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.13
Sweden Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
1030
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.14
Sweden Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
Age:
29
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
537
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.60
APR:
0.15
Bosnia and Herzegovina Faruk 'pita' Pita
Faruk 'pita' Pita
Age:
26
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.91
Maps played:
168
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.73
APR:
0.15
United States Sam 'DaZeD' Marine
Sam 'DaZeD' Marine
Age:
27
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
134
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.20
Canada Joshua 'steel' Nissan
Joshua 'steel' Nissan
Age:
27
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
119
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.69
APR:
0.16
Sweden Mikail 'Maikelele' Bill
Mikail 'Maikelele' Bill
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
567
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.14
Sweden Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
886
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.65
APR:
0.14
France Hovik 'KQLY' Tovmassian
Hovik 'KQLY' Tovmassian
Age:
26
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
227
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.12
Sweden Patrik 'cArn' Sättermon
Patrik 'cArn' Sättermon
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.73
Maps played:
1
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.10
APR:
0.00
Sweden Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg
Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg
Age:
29
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.15
Maps played:
1129
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.13
United States Derek 'desi' Branchen
Derek 'desi' Branchen
Age:
24
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
306
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.71
APR:
0.13
France Fabien 'kioShiMa' Fiey
Fabien 'kioShiMa' Fiey
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
973
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.64
APR:
0.15
#1
Portugal darKq 
we learn pixelwalking is illegal
2014-12-02 20:11
legal you mean, it would be allowed had it not been because of the vision glitch and immortal angles
2014-12-02 20:13
no its not, read again.
2014-12-02 20:28
LOL
2014-12-02 20:29
#2
Ireland Rory 
n1
2014-12-02 20:11
#3
France Vilsa 
Fnatic still not VAC banned
2014-12-02 20:11
for a reason
2014-12-03 03:12
yeah, VAC not stronk enough to catch them all
2014-12-03 08:14
ahahah, true +1
2014-12-03 10:09
ye thats why kio isn't on vacation , inb4 shitstorm
2014-12-03 14:25
+1
2014-12-03 15:03
Ofc theere are no more vac bans..The VACation drama has made everyone to stop using cheat..
2014-12-03 20:03
#4
United Kingdom BiGz 
:)
2014-12-02 20:11
ok
2014-12-02 20:11
#6
suNny | 
Finland m1skaa 
1. The Admins are fnatic fanboys
2014-12-02 20:11
They ruled against Fnatic and Fnatic forfeited because of shit like your post. What the fuck more do you want? I don't care if you don't like Fnatic but don't fucking shit talk some of the hardest working people in e-sports. But hey what can you expect from a fan of Disturbed?
2014-12-03 00:53
cry :'c
2014-12-03 10:10
no because sponsors said forfeir or we fuck u fnatic right in the pussy and remove sponsor money
2014-12-03 10:43
Complete bullshit made up from a Swedish bullshit website
2014-12-03 13:58
it had to be replayed at 13-2 or whatever it was, no 0-0 obvious fanboyism at DH
2014-12-11 18:14
First they decided to replay from 13-2 because of from the Fnatic boost you could see through wall, this even though Fnatic never looked through this texture glitch or used it to their advantage. Turned out LDLC also used a boost where this bugged texture was visible from, even though they didn't use it either. From the DHW Admins POV there was nothing illegal about the Fnatic boost per say, only the fact that there was transparent textures visible from the boost.
2014-12-11 18:20
+9
2014-12-03 15:04
ldlc won !
2014-12-02 20:11
n1
2014-12-02 20:12
That with a bit of luck and more pro banned players cs scene will fall ?!
2014-12-02 20:12
Why are you on a CS oriented news site if you want CS to fail?
2014-12-02 20:23
oh oh i know the answer to this one, he is fucking retarded.
2014-12-02 23:36
how much flusha sucks without cheats maybeeee?
2014-12-02 20:12
#42
Europe v5k 
+1
2014-12-02 20:21
He made his KDR on Bravado's noobs and Cloud9 which are top20 world. Even dAt mTw Penta mouz 3dmax LC and many more are better than C9.
2014-12-02 20:28
You can't argue with people not using their brains mate :)
2014-12-02 23:19
So pro players can't get in a rut? How do you think he feels when half of the community is taking a piss at him? How do you think that affects his game?
2014-12-03 05:26
So did flusha cheat or not in this Dreamhack? Make up your mind idiots.
2014-12-03 15:14
n0thing about vp? :D
2014-12-02 20:13
They are very strong and funny (especially paszaBiceps) :D
2014-12-03 10:39
cz won grand finals
2014-12-02 20:13
ofcourse we learn! "i lift my mouse ALOT more than the average pro player."
2014-12-02 20:13
#134
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
rofl +1
2014-12-02 21:06
#268
fer | 
Brazil Nobuga 
Kappa
2014-12-03 00:17
Based Tyrone is king.
2014-12-02 20:14
#20
Canada rdss 
after every major "same question" and always the same topic "NIP are back" " "USA low" "Need to change game format".....omg please "COPY PASTE" after ESEA....
2014-12-02 20:14
Well it's not Lurpis' fault if NIP keeps playing godly at majors and NA always exit in group stages
2014-12-03 02:38
haha +1 ^^
2014-12-03 17:38
Nothing about the cheating. That's a damn shame. Guess we're gonna pretend it didn't happen.
2014-12-02 20:14
That wasn't part of DHW 2014, that's why he didn't included it. Besides, he already made articles about this at the time it happened.
2014-12-02 20:51
wasn't part of DHW 2014? thanks for the laugh.
2014-12-02 21:08
You're welcome.
2014-12-02 23:21
Shut the fuck up about your obssesion with pros being cheaters already. One thing is having doubts, another is what you are spreading across HLTV. Retarded trash.
2014-12-02 21:09
sweet dreams
2014-12-02 21:14
I think enough has been said on this already. Let this fire die out
2014-12-03 02:39
The question is not if LDLC were superior to fnatic in this tournament, because they were without a doubt. The question is "Does one victory, even in a major, make you number one ?".
2014-12-02 20:15
It's not about one victory. "They were always better than LDLC up until now, but they crumbled when it mattered the most, and a number one finish at a major, combined with constant second place finishes, ranks up higher than a number of wins, and then a quarter-finals exit at a major." I honestly agree, but the gap between fnatic and LDLC is small anyway.
2014-12-02 22:18
It's like the pros always say "Any team can beat any other team depending on the day". Implied that it's a Tier 1 team vs another Tier 1 team. This tournament LDLC were beasts.
2014-12-03 00:57
I think its crap. Fnatic has not lost a bo3 to LDLC in at a lan.
2014-12-03 04:00
That's not about head to head, it's about achievements. Besides, fnatic did lost a Bo3 to LDLC at LAN, it was their last match.
2014-12-03 09:19
Also about LDLC being beasts... they were not that much better than NiP. First of all NiP won more rounds in the bo3. Secondly NiP was very close to winning that overpass. For example NiP lost the round after pistol on their CT side (CZ imba) which gave LDLC 2 rounds, LDLC were only able to get other 2 rounds on buy rounds as terrorists. Also the retake of b when the game was 15-13 really favored NiP... I think friberg gets that kill at pit most of the time, but this time didnt. Also in the last round Maikelele was really close to clutching it all to NiP. Not saying that LDLC did not deserve to win (they really DID), but that game was really close and just one of the things listed going the other way would have altered the outcome. What I am saying is that Fnatic, NiP and LDLC are really close at the moment. Lastly concerning what Lurppis wrote, a quarter-finals exit is not as bad when it comes against a top3 (top1?) team. It would have been so much worse when thinking about the rankings, were it against Navi or even Virtus.Pro. Here you can talk about the group stage loss against Hellraisers which put them against LDLC, but even that game was 14-16 and a bo1.
2014-12-03 11:27
i learned that flusha lift his mouse alot
2014-12-02 20:15
we learned more viewer = more whiners
2014-12-02 20:15
The Internet: whining about whiners since 1995
2014-12-03 02:40
Great post
2014-12-02 20:16
You can win tournament by crying * L D L C C R Y G I R L S
2014-12-02 20:16
#28
Belarus 4rz 
And not a single word about Na'Vi... nor VP...
2014-12-02 20:16
#137
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
what is there to be said?
2014-12-02 21:06
#374
Belarus 4rz 
Well they were 3-4... And no words about them... Bor HR.
2014-12-03 16:55
#380
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
hr beat fnatic in a bo1 16-14. they wouldnt win a bo3. na'vi almost lost to flipsid3, they beat dig who choked as usual and then lost a 2-0 series to LDLC. there isn't much needs to be said really..
2014-12-03 17:19
#389
Belarus 4rz 
And then they talk about Dignitas... Think about befor you find ''everything''.
2014-12-03 20:11
#390
Belarus 4rz 
+ they mention Americans... GG logic right?
2014-12-03 20:13
#391
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
they talked about dig and americans because dig always choke and americans never make it far. reaffirming their usual performances
2014-12-03 20:28
#30
France SiiC 
Moman vacban (valve anti champagne) , no recoil spray , headshot everybody
2014-12-02 20:17
good boi lurppis
2014-12-02 20:18
#34
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North America NaughtyWalrus 
Fnatastic way to wrap up the end of the year.
2014-12-02 20:18
"LDLC world best" n1 lurppis ......
2014-12-02 20:19
gg
2014-12-02 20:19
#39
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World King Ye 
1. CZ should not be nerfed
2014-12-02 20:20
#138
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
no? you are probably of the 1% of the scene who thinks that then..
2014-12-02 21:07
jw and me too jw=30% so if u don't mind excuse moi :D
2014-12-02 21:11
#156
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
i take it you didn't read the article then? or the hltv interview with jw? he said, and i quote: "To me it doesn’t really matter WHAT they do to it, the most important part is that they do something .. so sorry, you are still within a 1% minority.
2014-12-02 21:17
#189
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World King Ye 
jw best
2014-12-02 21:58
great post
2014-12-02 20:22
CZ-75 should be removed from game
2014-12-02 20:22
Not possible because of the money involved in skins etc, but imo they should just remove it from competitive play, if the servers are set to competitive = exit CZ.
2014-12-02 22:38
of course they're world's best, after fnatic.
2014-12-02 20:25
Happy is HLTV.org's official DH Winter 2014 MVP How about N0,lol.
2014-12-02 20:25
+1 yeah I didnt get it
2014-12-02 21:27
lurppis is the biggest ldlc fanboy out there rofl
2014-12-02 20:27
surprisingly he is yes rofl
2014-12-02 21:41
yes happy mvp
2014-12-02 20:27
I learned that your intelligence is around the typical hltv kid.
2014-12-02 20:27
#59
Poland tfg 
that frenchies cry all the time oh no, we did it know before dhw
2014-12-02 20:28
#72
Germany pLH 
hltv.org/blog/9114-my-trip-to-dhw14-with.. I quote: LDLC was fuming as you might expect, but they behaved really professional, just filed the protest and discussed the matter with the guys in the admin area. At the same time fnatic was nowhere to be seen, they simply thought they have won the match. "Frenchies" were more manly than you sitting behind your keyboard judging people. Grow up.
2014-12-02 20:30
Pro tip: Read NBKs tweets from that day, he was crying like a little girl.
2014-12-02 20:33
#91
Germany pLH 
Who wouldnt be upset having to restart a match that you were leading 13:3 in and then some scumbags decide to use the most gamebraking bug cs has ever seen after withholding it from valve? Pro tip: fuck off
2014-12-02 20:38
#139
shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo 
+1
2014-12-02 21:07
Pro tip: it turned out that LDLCs boost was just as illegal.
2014-12-02 21:28
but not game-breaking.
2014-12-02 22:57
#305
Germany pLH 
Yes, i agree to the fact that both boosts were illegal. Legal standpoint: both boosts illegal But just take a look at our laws, people eho commited crimes dont all just get the same punishment. For example: Person A kills someone. Gets 10 years. Person B kills 15 people. Gets 10 years. Do you honestly think this is fair? Both commited murder(analog to boost) In our case ldlc used this boost twice. Fnatic ~10times Rulebook says that both actions are illegal, but its up to the admins to decide how to punish this, and i think restarting the match is really fnatic biased. So imho its totally justified for nbk to complain about this.
2014-12-03 03:52
And the polish are raging all the time. Typical
2014-12-02 20:35
I'm not raging!!!
2014-12-02 21:09
Nothing about how LDLC's boost was just as illegal as fnatics? :) You're even more one-sided than de_train.
2014-12-02 20:28
no titan tho
2014-12-02 20:28
yeah Happy IGL but also top player...we knw whats going there right.
2014-12-02 20:28
Wait... So LDLC is the best team in the world, without being able to beat Fnatic for like 2 months straight, being second every LAN tournament? Just because they were up 13-3 at one point, after starting at CT side on a CT map, and then losing the map and the series? I know you're not a fan of Flusha, Lurppis, but get your head out of your own ass. I don't like Fnatic, but I can still admit that they're the clear #1 team in the world.
2014-12-02 20:29
SO when fnatic cannot cheat on lan and are about to lose they can abuse a boost breaking the game which they hold secret for 2 months because VALVE would not agree such a play on an official competitive map???
2014-12-02 20:36
fnatic didn't get past the quarters, get over it
2014-12-02 21:14
And LDLC still haven't beat them in a bo3 without getting a free win.
2014-12-02 22:17
What did I learn from Dreamhack? That I can get a cheat that works on lan and get away with it
2014-12-02 20:29
fnatic still has more good maps then ldlc
2014-12-02 20:29
We learned lurppis did a great article
2014-12-02 20:30
We learned fiffy did a great jobas caster and i am thankfull Lurppis wasnt invited
2014-12-02 21:21
LDLCZ-75
2014-12-02 20:30
Hahaha Lurppis fuck logics: Fnatic win like 5 tournaments in a row outclassing LDLC, LDLC win one tournament after losing to fnatic and bullying them to pull out of the competition; LDLC nr1!! It's obvious that this Finnish ignorant scrub has made it his life call to bring fnatic down as much as he can.. fucking idiot Someone with such one sided baised opinions should never rank the worlds cs go teams
2014-12-02 20:31
lurppis love kiss french ass
2014-12-02 21:20
Hahaha, LDLC haven't been a team in more than 2 tournaments and already top 1.
2014-12-02 22:43
+1
2014-12-02 23:33
lurpis kissing french butt since ever.
2014-12-02 20:32
I learned that the rumours of lurppis being an asshole are most probably true.
2014-12-02 20:33
..that fnatic are even more retarded
2014-12-02 20:33
"NiP will now get to take a well deserved vacation" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! :[
2014-12-02 20:33
GREAT ARTIKAL
2014-12-02 20:34
#81
Zeus | 
Russia cann0n 
We learned ! what tons of team arrived on one of the biggest event of the year , just for played 2 maps GG
2014-12-02 20:35
I learnt that I won a free skin and still no information about that matter. :))
2014-12-02 20:35
good read
2014-12-02 20:35
#86
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Austria db42 
FYI: Jw had no M4 kills this entire tournament. cz, famas, ak, awp and pistols/mag7. ct sides are OP.
2014-12-02 20:36
Good article.
2014-12-02 20:38
lurppis marry me please - but you can't say atm that LDLC is THE BEST TEAM in the world, it is one of the best - they just won a major title and get in the final for the first time =/= NiP that are in finals for 4 times - in CS, there is now best team imo but a lot of very good teams.
2014-12-02 20:38
"LDLC are, right now, the world's best" HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAhahahahHAHAHAHA LMAO. VP won katowice, suddenly started suck, fnatic won dhw 2013 started suck, nip won cologne, started suck, now its ldlc turn.
2014-12-02 20:42
we learned that some people get buttmad very easily.
2014-12-02 20:43
I can't believe there is people who still defend Fnatic after this tournament. It's time to grow up and get a brain.
2014-12-02 20:43
semphis needs to IGL again for cloud9. his random/scrim-style calling fits n0thing/hiko/shroud's play moreso than sgares methodical style.
2014-12-02 20:44
Look at all this hypocrites who was saying when Titan & LDLC was at the top winning DH Stockholm: "wait for a major, small tournament, wait for the major", and now LDLC is not top 1 right now because they "just" won one major ? You must be kidding me.
2014-12-02 20:45
sorry but how LDLC can be no.1 team when they were crushed on LDLC's best map inferno and win in overtime on overpass ? they are in top 3 spot .. but there is not no.1 team like NiP on start
2014-12-03 13:11
I think you don't understand what a top ranking is :)
2014-12-03 16:51
*** HellRaisers still play shitty at 1/4 finals
2014-12-02 20:45
......when they get there
2014-12-02 21:31
i just read to "The fact is LDLC were up 13-3 despite fnatic already abusing a clearly map-breaking glitch in the pistol round, and would have much more than likely cruised away with a win had fnatic not started abusing the boost spot" Then i realised it was lurppis who write this post. He must be hate swedish player so much because he never succeed on this cs career, because sweden was always before him, like icehockey, they are jelous people finish....
2014-12-02 20:45
"I have no rational arguments about the article, so I'll just attack the writer of the article instead. Surely this won't make me look retarded." -xonic501
2014-12-02 21:18
You must be fnatic fanboy, considering he praised NiP in this article.
2014-12-02 23:00
+1
2014-12-02 23:35
he never succeed on cs? u know to much sauce.
2014-12-03 18:59
#105
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China Specster 
great article!
2014-12-02 20:45
This article is biased. Lurppis has shown that he HATES Fnatic on his personal Twitter page and he keeps bashing them for cheating even though there is NO proof except fucking gfycats. I usually like lurppis's articles, but this is very sad to see- a journalist in CS:GO being biased against a team. Wow.
2014-12-02 20:47
cry more pls. why would he no be allowed to have his on opinion? suspecting someone of cheating and hating someone are different things btw.
2014-12-02 21:23
because he's a journalist or likes to call himself that and because his articles influence a lot of cs fans he needs to be as objective as he can (which he tries in this one) but still you can see some biased lines here and there. but then again he's an amateur so at least he tries to be objective in his articles and i hope he'll improve that part. dunno why famous guys from this community (lurp included + NBK,shox,dw...) like to say whatever pops up on their minds ,it's not like the target audience is intelligent enough to know both sides of the story and make their own judgement,when it's so much easier to "copy paste" the twitter,fb,stream comments from pros and make them their own... that's the only reason i started disliking ldlc, alongside fnatic -.-
2014-12-02 22:56
"ecause his articles influence a lot of cs fans he needs to be as objective as he can" No, he doesn't. His tweets and "opinion articles" are NOT supposed to be objective, they represent his OPINION. It's the people's "fault" who let themselves get influenced by lurppis, and not lurppis's "fault". "dunno why famous guys from this community (lurp included + NBK,shox,dw...) like to say whatever pops up on their minds" Because they have the right to express their own opinion?!? Is it you Mr. Stalin?
2014-12-03 14:30
Illegal boost by LDLC on photo, let's rematch huehuehuehue
2014-12-02 20:47
nothing
2014-12-02 20:48
Such gamebreaking much illegal. youtube.com/watch?v=sSP_mEz6f_c
2014-12-02 20:48
Serious lol at LDLC being the undisputed best team right now. Nerf the CZ and then lets see where they fall. Right now, the CZ is allowing a lot of less smart players to compete at the highest level because they don't have to worry about tactics as much.
2014-12-02 20:49
i learned fnatic is bad and should disband Kappa
2014-12-02 20:50
1. fnatic 2. ldlc 3. nip 4. vp
2014-12-02 20:50
2x5 bullets in cz :DD
2014-12-02 20:51
4x6
2014-12-02 22:58
Good analysis. hatersgonnahate.
2014-12-02 20:56
The only difference of that fnatic boost compared to the ldlc boost was that the fnatic boost had an angle were the player was immortal, though I don't think any ldlc players even tried to shoot him from that angle. So the immortality bug didn't affect the game (NOT sure though). Also not even sure fnatic knew about the immortality bug, maybe they did maybe they didn't. Point being, if they didn't know about it then the only one to blame for it is the map maker, not fnatic. IF they did, then surely the only legit decision would have been instant DQ from the tournament. Also please stop with the pixel walking, it was a ledge on a wall, you should assume that you can jump there. How are you supposed to even know if a ledge is considered pixelwalking, the fuck? Are players supposed to check the map out with a map making program just to be sure? The only reason this turned into a shitstorm is because pretty much no one likes fnatic, including me. The DHW admins decision to replay the map was solid, though I wish they would have DQ'd both teams. As I personally don't like fnatic and NBK started acting all diva (like always) about having to replay the map. EDIT also the position is basically useless IF teams would have known that position. It's one of the easiest spots to counter. E.g Jumping scout, preaiming that position. There's nothing more simple in cs than killing an immobile target. The only reason why it was so effective against LDLC was that they didn't figure out how to counter it, and there is only LDLC to blame for that. They were on pretty much panic mode the whole game. I'm sure that a more experienced team, like VP, would have been able to counter it MUCH MUCH faster than LDLC.
2014-12-02 21:03
this boost is fucking gamebreaking. even if you just use it so peek and get information - its enough. actually, even the possibility you could peek from there makes the t side annoying to play. there allready are enough angles to clear if you want to get into a bomb side. with this boost you cant go undetected + always have to lookout if you dont want to give away an entry kill. using it is making the map pure shit. /close
2014-12-02 21:41
though none of that is really game breaking, as it can be countered very easily.
2014-12-02 21:47
you must be really stupid or new to cs. or both.
2014-12-02 21:57
very solid argument
2014-12-02 22:04
then explain how you want to counter this. having one player watching this spot for the whole round?
2014-12-02 22:47
you only need to watch it for the first half a minute, cause it's a 3 man boost and it's way too risky to do mid round. So MAX 30s. Also you can easily spot it almost from t base if you know where to check. When you KNOW where the CT spot is, it's really easy to kill someone from there. I played a MM where someone used it for the first time against me. They got me once, next round they used it got an easy kill, because I knew they would do it again and where the spot is. VERY easy to kill with scout.
2014-12-02 22:56
one of those 3 can go after they are boosted. and having 2 people at this boost is totally worth it. also, your random mm experience doesnt say anything.
2014-12-02 22:58
You still need to have 3 people to do the boost at any given point, hence it's always in the beginning of the round. Why would anyone risk stacking 3 guys on A site, in mid round. That's just idiotic. The competitive advantage was only the unknown factor, now when it's a known, it isn't nearly as OP. My random mm experience tells me it's very easy to kill on that spot, no point in denying that. The only difficult part is knowing where to check, when you know it becomes easy. It really doesn't matter if it's olofm, get_right or even heaton up there, I will win against each of 'em 99% of the times with a scout. Immobile target, which position is known = easiest frag of the game. If you don't realize this, lemme quote, "you must be really stupid or new to cs. or both."
2014-12-02 23:04
"You still need to have 3 people to do the boost at any given point" stoped reading there. not worth the time nor effort.
2014-12-02 23:11
he probably wanted to say that it's vulnerable to rushes. which at some point ldlc tried to pull off but slowed down suddenly in front of A site for some unknown reason :D
2014-12-02 23:15
its not. rushing a obviously wont work, you have people in the bombside. rushing b also wont work because you see the rush with this boost. actually happens in the ldlc - fnatic match. olof spots like 4 people rushing towards b and fnatic instantly rotates to b.
2014-12-02 23:19
the fuck are you talking about, it's impossible to with 2 people. IMPOSSIBLE. get your head outta your ass.
2014-12-02 23:28
and yet you still didnt realize that, after the 3rd helps with the boost, he can go everywhere. shouldnt be surprised youre retarded, maybe lurppis is your cousin or so...
2014-12-02 23:30
I said that the reason why they need to do the boost very early in the round is because it needs 3 people. I never implied it needs 3 people to hold the player in the sky. Your flawed logic came up with that bullshit, not mine. It's impossible to debate with a guy like you whose only arguments are insults. I will not reply to you anymore, so don't bother replying to this.
2014-12-02 23:34
more or less i think the same. i'm just mad @ldlc for trying to cover up their stupidity of losing 14 rounds to some boost and trying to blame 1 map spot for their lack to adapt to some unknown scenario. not to mention the rage from nbk towards fnatic and DH admins... I mean wtf? he should be punished just for spouting that shit and disrespecting everyone... and that boost while being OP it's not impossible to counter like you said. you just need to know where the enemy is shooting you from and i can't believe that they couldn't figured that out for 10 rounds.... btw i think they'd get a rematch even without all that whining on twitter that's the main problem for me. poor sportsmanship from both parties that game which is sad if you know that those 2 are the best and 2nd best teams atm. they should win and lose with dignity and not make such a bad example for everyone and be the cause for all that hate and flame on hltv...
2014-12-02 23:12
Yeah, I think LDLC really froze and started to panic. If they would have calmed down, taken earlier that timeout and thought about that boost. They surely could have figured out how to counter it. As I wrote earlier, I'm sure a team like VP would have been able to counter it far earlier. I don't blame the whole LDLC for the whining, mainly just NBK. NBK has a habit of acting like a diva all the time when things doesn't go as he likes.
2014-12-02 23:15
it wasn't easy to counter when ldlc had no idea it existed
2014-12-02 23:12
exactly my point :)
2014-12-02 23:15
I was more than happy to watch DREAMHACK on GO-TV then stream :)
2014-12-02 20:59
I like stream for the post match analysis and all the cool stuff happening in the background that you don't get to see on GOTV (flashbang dance anyone? :))
2014-12-03 02:50
Good article as always. Looking forward to the world rankings and the top 20 players articles.
2014-12-02 20:59
F0rest must have MVP.
2014-12-02 20:59
Nice read.
2014-12-02 21:01
Flusha is still cheating
2014-12-02 21:02
We learned that Flusha can cheat at any event
2014-12-02 21:04
We learned that flusha cheats Kappa
2014-12-02 21:04
fnatic,nip,ldlc,vp,navi top team. lel may joyce i broke ur virginity pls stfu hhahah
2014-12-02 21:05
I'm curious as to what happened (mindset/etc-wise) to C9 after ESL One, n0thing finally steps up and yet hiko/shroud are doing mediocre at best lately, and not to mention their executes, which seem to be sloppy.
2014-12-02 21:05
Happy <3
2014-12-02 21:06
skins
2014-12-02 21:08
fnatic is clearly still #1 i didn't read the the rest after that bs.
2014-12-02 21:09
we learned that flusha lifts his more than the average pro.
2014-12-02 21:11
we learned that flusha feels that he is special.
2014-12-02 23:01
we learned
2014-12-02 23:18
We learn unfair boost :)
2014-12-02 21:12
lurppis such a french fangei
2014-12-02 21:13
CZ-75 had the most kills because the most poeple buy it! Simple dependence. But supid tards who rush like idiots vs CZ-75 will always cry. Or buy Mac-10 on atnieco vs CZ-75... NiP the luckiest team on DH. Very very close to eliminated by ESC and VP. LDLC won cuz fnatic forfeit. I wanted to see 0-0 Overpass so much And finally when Flusha will get ban ffs?!
2014-12-02 21:14
One of the issues discussed repeatedly in previous versions of CS was how useless eco rounds were. They were more often than not a waste of time for both the players and the viewers. Now that CZs have made those rounds much more interesting, the community wants them nerfed. I don't get it. I understand the complaints regarding the awp/cz combo and I agree that's an issue. So if anything, switch the gun to a primary. Problem solved. But don't nerf the gun just because teams are losing eco rounds. That's a good thing.
2014-12-02 21:15
The eco rounds were already interesting enough with p250's and five-sevens, in case you haven't followed CSGO in 2013.
2014-12-02 21:47
Currently, I'd say teams on a CZ "save" have anywhere between a 20-25% chance of winning the round. That's a great percentage. Why should the gun be nerfed?
2014-12-02 22:19
Just switching the gun to primary isnt problem solved, If it gets moved to primary it has to have a price increase that makes it over $800. Ideally $1000 - $1200 otherwise pistol rounds everyone has two weapons and eco rounds you spray your 12 bullets and instead of the long reload time where you die you could just switch out to a pistol. Imagine a five seven combo with it for only $1000, that's gross. I agree in general though (the awp is the main issue) and ecos should never go back to the way they were in like 1.6 just to keep it somewhat interesting. How they were pre cz was good with the p250 still taking some skill.
2014-12-03 07:26
What we learned from DHW 2014? We learned that BO1 group stages are more luck than skill based, and we can have quarter-finals like NiP vs HR (16:5, 16:4) and VP vs PENTA (16:9, 16:5) and then we can have quarter-finals like fnatic vs LDLC which should meet in Grand Finals not in quarters.
2014-12-02 21:17
#157
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Argentina EnvyJ 
I learned to do insane boosts on overpass Kappa
2014-12-02 21:18
pixel walk is apparently illegal, gonna practice some spots..
2014-12-02 21:19
LDLC the world's best? Far away from it. It doesn't matter if they just won DHW. Fnatic are still better no matter what. It's like djokovic winning an ATP. It doesn't matter... federer is still better.
2014-12-02 21:29
I learned that hate has no limit. I also learned that fact can be ignored as long as it serves your own purpose. I learnt that as long as someone think a player cheat (not just Flusha, any player) it’s ok to threaten their life and comment their looks (if it’s negative and it mostly will be cause there are so few of us that looks perfect). I learned that a lot of hltv.org forum users has an extremely good memory for bad things, that’s against human nature because it’s easier to remember good things. Here a normal comment is NEVER FORGET From the tournament point of view I think the quality of the matches was good, greate crew on the streams and most of the time even good picture/sound quality. (Can still be better but not too shabby this time)
2014-12-02 21:33
"that’s against human nature because it’s easier to remember good things." plain stupid. get out.
2014-12-02 21:43
Why were the accusations and community hate towards fnatic not addressed in this article? Good article anyway, thanks for the great coverage of DHW!
2014-12-02 21:38
Dude we learned that it's more crowded at the top than ever. Every major you make a post (seemingly troll in nature) about the winner being the worlds best team. They "won" the fnatic game and beat NiP 2of3 but lost more rounds than they won. Why your opinions have to be so black and white is beyond me and just as a point of reference I think that happy deserves to be the #1 player of 2014. And I also think that fnatic cheats online and now at lan, stopping at nothing, without shame. And that NiP plays the game the right way, always. And the jury is still out on kioshima, who was pixel walking on ct pistol but not to the degree fnatic was.
2014-12-02 21:40
We learned that you are an unmature so called "analyst", which blames fnatic for cheating. And your twitter are full of your whining tweets.
2014-12-02 21:41
LDLC best team? Nice joke man :D fnatic has destroyed them all the year.. not even in this match they won.
2014-12-02 21:43
LDLC lineup is totaly new and already better.
2014-12-02 22:45
Good read.
2014-12-02 21:47
Good read.
2014-12-02 21:47
Nice article. The issue about the group stage are crucial to not just turn the competition more likable, but to increase the teams level in general.
2014-12-02 21:51
#187
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Portugal dracø 
We learned that swedes can't cheer for other than Swedish teams, and thus the majors should be done in another country (Give all the majors to Poland!). The semi finals between LDLC vs Na'vi were a prime example, it looked like the place was almost empty..
2014-12-02 21:52
what is up with hltv.org and cz75? the cz is fine as it is and got already nerfed hard since it was introduced. your suggestive questions in the interviews made the players say the cz should be changed by far not every pistolround is only-cz, there are pistols for every playstyle and if the cz fits the AWP so be it. in 1.6 the deagle fit the awp. there also wasn't a need to change that
2014-12-02 22:02
no, it's op
2014-12-02 22:18
Problem is not CZ on it's own, it's the CZ + AWP combo. Try it, it's broken.
2014-12-03 02:48
so much thing
2014-12-02 22:09
I wish you would've have made a section "What have I learned from DHW" Lurppis ;). Other then that, very good read!
2014-12-02 22:34
I really like the cz but it should cost like 800-1000$, not 500. Deagle on the other hand should cost 500
2014-12-02 22:35
We learned that olofmboost should be legal Kappa
2014-12-02 22:38
I saw Fnatic not losing a single game.
2014-12-02 22:40
#328
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Singapore Nephalith 
HR says hi. Didn't watch DHW after all.
2014-12-03 08:17
learned that fnatic hate must be cleansed with pure sacred water and cant go all in at bet for nip just yet
2014-12-02 22:44
The biggest point you wrote here, and no one is caring about, is the groupe stage format. If we had one like TI, it would be so much better as an entertainment for viewers but also for pros i bet. It would encourage teams to take more risk and reward the more constant one. Not every organisation could allow to establish it, but Valve is completely able to set it up at major, at least.
2014-12-02 22:48
#211
Estonia m8k 
LDLC is ofc best, losing in quarter final and then end up winning the finals, brilliant! I.only.cry.when.lose.but.this.makes.me.win.
2014-12-02 22:47
Shut up dude. That boost was broken as fuck and you know it.
2014-12-02 22:55
Good read, sick to see how large the percentage of CZ kills is, and how small a gun like the deagle is (only 2%). I would like to see the CZ on atleast the spot of the deagle or a smg replacement, lower the costs of the deagle to 500 to get it more in the game, we want to see the deagle actions back!
2014-12-02 22:49
Sick deagle play is so much more fun to watch than the EZ-75
2014-12-02 22:56
#214
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Denmark LnDcsgo 
Fnatic won All their games, LDLC...
2014-12-02 22:49
HR ?
2014-12-03 00:40
#339
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Denmark LnDcsgo 
Read the comments and you will see what i mean ;)
2014-12-03 10:13
#329
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Singapore Nephalith 
Officially, LDLC won all games and lost 2 maps. Cache vs. Fnatic and Inferno vs. NiP
2014-12-03 08:21
CZ still broke as fuck.
2014-12-02 22:55
Nuke is the least fun map for spectators.
2014-12-02 22:57
He forgot to mention that Fifflaren is better caster than he is. kappa
2014-12-02 22:58
Shots fired Kappa
2014-12-03 02:47
We also learnt that the CS:GO community is extremely quick to judge. Other than that, good read.
2014-12-02 23:01
chokerino
2014-12-02 23:02
Deagle 2% of Pistol kills..... needs fixing.
2014-12-02 23:04
I learnt cool boost spots.
2014-12-02 23:09
Lurppis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thorin all the fucing way! Boycott thorin. Praise Lurppis!
2014-12-02 23:13
Sorry but Thorin still has a clear view on who is the worlds number 1. Lurp has gotten a little cloudy in the head this past week.
2014-12-03 07:12
what we learned - Fnatic are possibly the best team in the world
2014-12-02 23:19
lurppis you are doing a great job mate, very interesting articles and always a great read. As a guy who does not play anymore, its amazing to see where cyber sport has gone. Not only in the level of competition but the professionalism of casters, news writers, interviewers etc.. Again mate doing a great job and keep it up! Much love and respect from Viro! :)
2014-12-02 23:31
This 38.6% should have Desert Eagle, why the hell Valve is killing this great weapon?! Nerf CZ-75A and tweak the Desert Eagle, we want CS 1.6 deagle actions back. Btw. nice article.
2014-12-02 23:32
+1 Deagle is so random. Would love to see more deagle action.
2014-12-03 02:46
Nice article Lurppis, you made many points that I fully agree with. Good job dude!
2014-12-02 23:35
i lold when i read LDLC top 1
2014-12-02 23:37
Nice writeup!
2014-12-02 23:37
good read
2014-12-02 23:39
I learned how much of a douchebag Fnatic is as well as Flusha cheats.
2014-12-02 23:58
what shitty journalism from lurppis. this tool believes some random nerd on reddit that said he has a friend on steam that told him to take down the map exploit he found cause he is friends with fnatic players. guess what my uncle works at counter-strike and he told me lurppis is a homosexual. there is no way possible in the world someone with no proof of connections/conversation would lie for reddit karma points at the height of some dumbass dork drama. right? right.
2014-12-03 00:05
Interesting read, but would like to have seen more argument in favour of a larger group phase. The current BO1 is very poor for a major and that needs to be highlighted more.
2014-12-03 00:06
#269
United Kingdom vL- 
cz is okey, just played mm using only cz. Finished 1st with 31-9 score on inferno. gg wp cz ftw!
2014-12-03 00:20
^proof right here that CZ is okey. ;)
2014-12-03 02:45
LDLC win, fnatic fail, but the most important thing even as a french guy is that : NiP are BACK :D and this is fcking awesome, Maikelele is stronk :) f0rest is awesome GeT_RiGht is the best, XziT the smartest and friberg the nicest ! GoGo NiP :) Gogo LDLC. And I hope fnatic will make some change, then go back stronger than ever to give us some epic games vs Nip and LDLC :)
2014-12-03 00:29
that flusha still cheats
2014-12-03 00:32
Great article ! Better than the previous ones, was good to read.
2014-12-03 00:46
#275
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United States darkun 
shitty article lurrpis. obv a LDLC fanboy.
2014-12-03 00:51
+1 how you can say fnatic aren't #1 after forfeiting 1 comp is actually the first time ive read a lurppis article and gone, yep he's finally out of touch.
2014-12-03 01:21
Yes. fnatic is top 1 with abusing map 13 rounds and cheats
2014-12-03 02:59
The boost is easy to counter as fk, try it in any MM match and there's always at least 1 scope looking for your head to pop up and BAM, free kill. Combining with the fact that LDLC did a partially similar boost, it's their own fault for not figuring it out sooner. And cheats, haha, why are they not VACation yet then? The fact that they are invited by ESEA, the leading organization in this anti-cheat campaign (hltv.org/news/13643-esea-more-to-come-so.. ) to their LAN tourney this weekend proves that even they are not sure if flusha cheated. You must be one hell of a cheat buster, or just one hell of an idiot.
2014-12-03 05:23
I think you should play for LDLC, not just being a MM master. Just like many fnatic fankids' logic: He didn't get VAC so he must clean. Hell, he's the most suspicious player with tons of strange gfycat videos compared with the other players. Guess what!? He never clearly clarify his unnatural movements except "I lift my mouse often". Besides, fnatic got invited before the cheat scandal happened. You had better to pray for him that he will not got VAC in the future
2014-12-03 06:59
Maybe he cheated, maybe not. But right now, he's not VAC banned, so hackusations are still speculations, suspicions, at least until it's confirmed. Yet you people acting like he's VAC banned like sF and KQLY, all the bashing, trashing, even death threats. I'll shut my mouth if he's proven a cheater. For the mean time, he's clean, mmkay?
2014-12-03 12:22
#397
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United States darkun 
If flusha wasn't a player all together.. there would be some other next sketchiest player.. Flusha has been on fnatic for a LONG ass time.. and has done ALOT of losing before olof and krimz... and NOW he hacks? ROFL
2014-12-03 22:51
plz nerf cz make it cz-74
2014-12-03 01:46
Lurppis, automatic pistol can't be a semi-machine gun. Think before you write.
2014-12-03 01:52
"NiP will now get to take a well deserved vacation" Lol you know something we don't Lurpis? :D Jokes. Congrats to NIP for second spot and great to see them in top form again!
2014-12-03 02:18
DH is not up to task. They failed. Ignore them in the future.
2014-12-03 02:19
LDLC aren't the world's best LOL Comparing a team who won only one title due to a forfeit and another one who won the 3 past LAN. kk luurpis
2014-12-03 02:21
at this time.
2014-12-03 02:48
you can't say a team is the world's best at this time it's just ridiculous.
2014-12-03 02:51
Man it's major for me they're the best now.
2014-12-03 02:53
First team to lose quarterfinals and win the majors. xD
2014-12-03 03:34
#398
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United States darkun 
+5
2014-12-03 22:53
we learned that LDLC will cry if they lose
2014-12-03 03:13
we learned fnatic will use overpowered exploits if they are losing
2014-12-03 14:35
I'm sorry, but I can't overlook Lurppis' obvious bias against fnatic right now. He has clearly been on the fnatic hate train by his twitter feed For example : "Though I normally never take sides, I really do hope fnatic goes out of the tournament now. Don't want a cheater deciding a major." and numerous other tweets. My initial assessment about the boost was that it was unfair and dirty (but not illegal). But since then, I have played overpass twice and now I'm convinced that the spot is not OP at all. It's absolutely useless as long as you figure out a counter for it. Maybe Lurppis should give it a try and find out himself as well.
2014-12-03 03:33
does luppis think fnatic was cheating on lan? i think they are top1, and ldlc will be destroyed next time. nip needs gtr retrieve magic
2014-12-03 03:59
1. Teams should have a cool down area after a match before getting interviewed. Its really sad watching friberg trying to smile for the camera when you can see the tears swelling. Give teams time to accept their defeat. 2. CSGO majors need to be ruled by Valve in conjuncture with the hosts. A good example is the Olympics. All the rules are written in paper, and cities host the event followed by a clear set of rules. This way teams can focus on one thing only and and expect the same hospitality from each event. The hosts make their big bucks by hosting the event, obviously. Additionally, smaller events need to be scrapped for the minors. or something. I'm just rambling but its rediculous for players to play in a tournament 1 week before a major. It needs a solution. 3. Add a sound proof room for the players. It's impossible to hear your teammates regardless of the equipment because the crowd sounds through the mic.
2014-12-03 05:06
#314
Brazil fzl 
please implement md5 in grand final, the really best team win.
2014-12-03 05:32
+ we learnt we need proper rules and admins at such events. + hellspawn should not be involved + we need better live interviews and prize presentations
2014-12-03 06:07
I don't think LDLC is the worlds best team, at least no in my opinion. At best equal to Fnatic. EDIT: I was afraid of this before lurppis would jump on a ranking article, he has way too much hate for Fnatic to make an unbiased article about the top 20, in my opinion.
2014-12-03 06:28
"journalist" yet so bias.. lol
2014-12-03 06:56
Good stuff, But fnatic are still the Number 1 team in the world, dominating the scene for 3 - 4 months and beating ldlc in like 3 straight lan finals over that period does not see them lose this position just yet.
2014-12-03 07:04
Happy is a monster. maikel gave away the final when he fucked up the CT anti-eco, if he didnt nip wouldve taken overpass pretty easily. Oh and GTR even tho his rating is okay, i felt he kinda sucked troughout the event. If he can find his form again nip will be #1.
2014-12-03 08:32
I feel so bad for dignitas. N0thing said that dignitas was one of the best teams if not the best they have played during bootcamp and yet they still fail. Some time ago they were known for me as 'semifinal team' cause they've always lost in semifinals, but since they got cajunb and get rid of aizy they couldnt even get to semis. Device has some star moments but it just isnt enough. And then they do some absolutely stupid moves like picking Cobblestone. Like why? There's inferno FE where they would have won against Na'Vi (possibly), but no... they chose cbble where was obvious they didnt have any prepared good tactic moves.
2014-12-03 08:56
We learnt fifflaren>lurpiss
2014-12-03 09:39
#399
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United States darkun 
+1
2014-12-03 22:55
I've learned that I should move back to Europe.
2014-12-03 10:27
Because of what? no competition in Africa high pings?
2014-12-03 12:01
Well that also, but the internet speed here in terrible. I can't even stream.. I'm paying $120 per month for 20Mb download and 0.84kb upload. Also the CS level is so low here and it won't get better.. Well maybe but in a long period of time. I think me moving back to EU is the best option.
2014-12-03 13:40
$120 per month for 20Mb download Wtf? In my country ~$15 for 12mb download O.o And i think your team play good, good luck ^^
2014-12-03 15:38
ah thats true i heared that u have a very bad internet connection in Africa. Anyway which country do you lived before? Your clan might also move or you alone searching for new clan? Well played at DH i agree with Happyhippo u were best in ur team.
2014-12-03 16:51
Thanks, well we have good internet but it's really expensive, for example: 100Mpbs Fiber costs over $1100 per month.. Thanks man :)
2014-12-03 17:16
I think you played really good .. best of your team
2014-12-03 12:15
Thank you mate, appreciate it.
2014-12-03 13:37
#400
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United States darkun 
+1
2014-12-03 22:57
Delete CZ.
2014-12-03 10:48
Good article. Valve should certainly do something about the cz. p250 is already more powerful than a 3k$ colt on close range. And the five-seven is even stronger. Remove cz plz
2014-12-03 11:48
Remove CZ
2014-12-03 12:21
Great article. The group stage format sure needs a change - It's always been the negative thing about Dreamhack. Travelling to a foreign country and only get to play two maps is simply useless. Some teams use alot of money in travelcost, and when you only get to play two maps, its simply not worth attending the event for some teams. How much experience can a team gain from playing just two maps? This would also benefit the teams sponsors, and most importantly make it more interesting for the spectators. CZ should just be removed completely from the game. I used to love pistolrounds, but the fact that you can have a full-automatic pistol, destroys the basic idea of pistolrounds if you ask me.. Besides that, it basicly fuck the economic aspect of the game. Way to many eco-rounds are won due to this "pistol"
2014-12-03 13:14
Being popular with the community is now more important than being good at the game. If you lose your game just cry to the community, who will then say 'DQ other team or we boycott'
2014-12-03 13:39
Correction: Fnatic are, right now, the world's best
2014-12-03 16:11
Yeah quarterfinal exit at a major makes you nr. 1, LDLC best team in the world - fnatic would've lost without bug abuse
2014-12-03 19:14
but they did'nt.. How could be LDLC the best if they could'nt beat the BEST? Logic says -> Fnatic is the best. Kappa
2014-12-03 19:42
we learnd that BULLYING IS VITAL if you want to win dreamhack.
2014-12-03 16:44
I learn that, fnatic should be killed -.-
2014-12-03 16:52
I'm very anxious to see brazilians and asian teams playing in a high level again. I hope to see them as soon as possible!!!
2014-12-03 17:12
"I believe a good way to please everyone would be to make the CZ-75 an SMG, and raise its price to $1,000." You cant make it an SMG, but i think this would make it used reasonably often. I think the biggest nerf they can do to it right now is: 800$ price, switch with deagle, decrease rate of fire a bit. I will be sad, if they remove it.
2014-12-03 17:12
Wowiw
2014-12-03 17:14
Olofcourse Meister
2014-12-03 17:18
naaa.
2014-12-03 20:38
flusha is still cheating. omg
2014-12-03 17:52
na so bad
2014-12-03 17:56
Deagle stats :'(
2014-12-03 18:56
"freeberg"
2014-12-03 20:30
ldlc best in the world i LOL'd
2014-12-03 21:12
#1 wrong, #2 #3 correct #1 should read we learned fnatic are human.
2014-12-09 02:59
#412
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Turkey conqueror. 
very good organization.. exciting environment .. thnx dreamhack.....
2014-12-11 20:56
Subjective article, clearly LDLC fanboi and lost skins on quarterfinal vs Fnatic. Wai y u heff 2 hate on Pronax's bois ?
2014-12-12 12:43
I think Overpass is one of the lamest map ever. And should be removed from any professional matches.
2014-12-13 00:52
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