pronax: "Was a lose-lose situation"

fnatic's Markus "pronax" Wallsten has taken to social media to address much of the controversy surrounding his team and their performance at DreamHack Winter 2014.

In a lengthy post on his Facebook fan page, Markus "⁠pronax⁠" Wallsten spoke candidly about the recent so-called community "witch-hunt" in the wake of recent VAC bans of high-profile players, particularly the accusations levelled against members of his own team:

"Despite what a part of the community(including few pro-players) might think.. We are trying to play a fair game, for me competeing means that I try my absolute best, to do better then my opponent, but also following the rules of the tournament," he wrote.

"We may not communicate as much as other players on social medias, but we are a very hard working team that practice a LOT. And going to Dreamhack was not only about competing and doing our best anymore, we also wanted to squash the cheating accusations, since Dreamhack admins said that they would host the most secure tournament so far in cs:go.

The witch-hunt:
But after a few players and some "respectable" profiles joined the witch-hunt as well, trying to get dreamhack/valve to disqualify us from the tournament before it even had started, the same tournament that is supposed to be so secure that we would not be able to cheat... And people want to take away the only chance we have to prove ourselves?

I think its here we really started to feel insane amount of pressure going in to the Dreamhack tournament.

However, i do think we showed that we are one of the best teams, even if it was shaky here and there we still delivered good games, and I definitely think flusha proved himself, he is the second best rated player in the tournament followed by: pasha, olofm and JW. And there is clips from dreamhack where he does the exact same things that made some people accuse him of using "aimlock." And i actually think that speaks for he's innocent."

Wallsten also addressed his team's decision to forfeit their rematch with LDLC, and their use of the now-infamous boost on de_overpass which preceded it:

"As probably everyone know we used a very special boost in the game against LDLC on the third and deciding map: Overpass. We did not think there would be anything wrong with using this boost. I had seen LDLC using a similar boost against NiP in the groupstage, and thought it was fun that they also had found something that no other team knew about. Dont get me wrong, I understand that the boost we used was A LOT better then the boost LDLC used. But the boost is not as game-breaking as the Dreamhack "experts" said. And we really thought that the boost was legit to use according to the official rules. The only reason the boost seemed so game-breaking was because the team we played against took to long to figure out where Olof was standing. If they had figured it out in time(i think they figured it out at 13-13), they could have bought an scout/awp and killed Olof from outside T-spawn without Olof even being able to see the guy who kills him.

I just cant belive that if other teams had found this boost before the tournament, that they would not have used it if they had not known about the "transparency." bug.. but thats only speculations of course.
And I cant help to think that if a team like NiP was to use this boost that they would have endured the same reactions as we did. They would get praised. Again, thats only speculation.

Please, understand that we had no intention in mocking the rules of dreamhack with the boost, or doing anything to harm the tournament in any way, we went there with the mindset to WIN, and to give our fans a good show, and to once again show that we are one of the best teams.

So why did we forfeit against LDLC?
Because even if atleast I thought that Dreamhack took the right decision in restarting the map from 0-0, we had nothing to win by playing that match. It was a loose/loose situation for us, no mather what we did. And some of the players had no motivation left to play in the tournament considering everything that had happened. So we decided as a team to give LDLC the victory, wish them luck and move on.

Some last words:
I would like to give a BIG thanks to Fnatic and our sponsors, who have shown that they support us no mather what, and that they do everything they can for us. I am truly happy to be able to work with all of you!

I would also like to thank all of you that have been supportive to us during these hard times. I will forever be grateful. And i hope that all of you will continue to support us in the future, and i hope that we can come back stronger in 2015."

His comments on the boost in particular echoed the sentiment of an earlier tweet he made, which drew a parallel between fnatic's used of the boost and Dota 2 player Danil "Dendi" Ishutin's use of the "fountain hook" against opponents TongFu in a match during The International 2013:

 

 

After bowing out of the rematch against LDLC on de_overpass at DreamHack Winter, fnatic placed 5-8th in the year's last major. They will next be seen in action in Dallas, Texas for the ESEA Invite Finals on December 5-7.

Sweden Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Age:
30
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
370
KPR:
0.63
DPR:
0.65
#2
vsm | 
Sweden deejaro
n1
2014-12-01 04:18
14 replies
even in cs1.6, jump from upper cat to watch A long is forbidden. what's wrong with pronax? they do whatever just for win? kick them plz ,carn!
2014-12-01 11:09
13 replies
That's definitely not the same thing.
2014-12-01 14:34
Sry for the reply on your post. Flusha had 97 frags in only 73 deaths. this is highly respectable. And gives one of the tournaments hightest score: 1.32 and 2nd as Pronax states. Problem is that 26 of these frags came against Bravado, and he died onlye 7 times. This manipulates the numbers greatly. If we only count the matches were the opponents was strong. The real K/D shows 1.07. Remember that the 13 rounds fnatic won on Overpass also greatly manipulates his score. So, no my friend. He didn't have a great event. He actually underperformed greatly if you compare to his normal standards.
2014-12-01 17:58
10 replies
Fact is, that against HellRaisers, Cloud9 and LDLC, flusha didn't play great, just average. If you count the game on overpass against LDLC as a loss (wich it clearly was), fnatic lost 3 out of 4 maps (excluding the Bravado game for obvious reasons). Now, I just want to point this out, Im not saying anything about cheats. You are all free to pick your own opinions. This is all just neutral observations.
2014-12-01 18:01
Except everyone was able to play against shitty teams, and Olof did all the fragging in the fnatic/LDLC match on Overpass. You're also removing his frags from matches against easy teams and then comparing your adjusted stats to his stats from previous tournaments without removing the matches against easy teams in those tournaments as well. So, basically, you're wrong, and your position looks shady. Flusha played a good tournament. You want to believe otherwise, so you're bending the truth to support your position.
2014-12-01 20:14
5 replies
Im not bending the truth mate. Im just pointing out the fact that the Bravado game GREATLY manipulate flushas stats. It doesn't gove a clear picture of how his performance was at all. If im an eagle, and play against double ak players, don't you think ill frag alot more than if Im playing against people on my same level? So basically Im right, and you just chose to be ignorant.
2014-12-01 20:49
4 replies
If you want change the stats for one player you need to do it for everyone else as well and then compare if he had a good tournament or not.
2014-12-01 23:43
3 replies
To be quite honest Zitron, If i were to do the same thing to the rest of the fnatic players, their stats would decrease too. But not as much as flusha who had his best game against the weakest team. Hopefully you can see that it manipulates the stats and give a wrong picture of his performance overall.
2014-12-02 10:56
2 replies
the problem with doing this is this: if flusha had a bad game against bravado, you would include it in his stats and say he under performed and then specifically point out the fact that he did bad against a bad team too. So basically that game is either non-existent or a big negative to stats, in your eyes, which is a ridiculous way to analyze performance. Especially considering Bravado wasn't the only weak team and fnatic wasn't the only ones who played them. But you're not going to adjust for those things for the other players before comparing flusha to them, you're the one trying to manipulate the stats here.
2014-12-03 01:18
1 reply
If flusha had a bad game against bravado, ofcourse this would be even more concluding of his underperforming. Hell he was - as the other four members; expected to do great damage to Bravado. Because bravados level is far beneath all the other teams in this competition. Your point is spot on, but your conclusion is not. Now before any other fnatic fanboys rush to defend their favourites, can I just point out that Im not "arresting" fnatic for cheat? Im just pointing out the fact that Flusha being the 2nd best player at this event is painfully wrong. If Pasha had played PENTA, Bravado, and a Cloud9 out of form, isn't obvious that he got better circumstances to work with in opposition of example f0rest, that will meet fnatic, LDLC and Dignitas? Fact still remains that fnatic played poorly, and Flusha wasn't great. But keep going on with your kindergarden logic, Im signing out.
2014-12-03 12:49
hey fool... if you know anything about CS then you'll know that everyone has their game and timing is huge. Sometimes you can go 30-10 one game and 10-25 the next against the same people on the same map. Yeah he did good against an easier team but their were easier teams throughout the whole tournament.
2014-12-02 01:23
2 replies
wow It seems like your dominant intellect clearly outsmarts my argument. I think they key to your success must be the "hey fool" start. Good job man, I give up.
2014-12-02 10:53
1 reply
If you not guilty you no need justification..
2014-12-18 05:53
Gl further pronax
2014-12-01 04:20
" I understand that the boost we used was A LOT better then the boost LDLC used." What a fucking cunt.
2014-12-01 04:20
13 replies
Yeah, what a terrible thing to say. He must surely be the devil.
2014-12-01 04:43
haha how desperate are you to hate? why don't you go join a terrorist organization and stop fucking about on the internet
2014-12-01 04:50
1 reply
dellx HLTV confirmed recruiting for ISIS
2014-12-01 07:45
are u retarded or something?
2014-12-01 05:39
That wasn't him bragging in any way...
2014-12-01 07:21
He is absolutely right though.
2014-12-01 07:37
Also he says "And there is clips from dreamhack where he does the exact same things that made some people accuse him of using "aimlock." And i actually think that speaks for he's innocent." I guess that this shows how strong the cheat really is. If someone will ask flusha ever to comment on the let's say "strange actions" and not "CHEAT ACTIONS" to see how checkmate will be !There are few clips posted by some guys here on hltv , show them to flusha and ask him to commentate why did he play like that. Just to commentate nothing more.
2014-12-01 07:42
1 reply
hed probly tell ur worthless no name ass.. that he doesnt remember cause it was a shitty online game that he gave a fuck less about.. GG you
2014-12-02 03:38
Few doods used this boost before dreamhack on Overpass matchmaking, we denied their tries almost everyround. I dont get how stupid LDLC is NOT to figure this one out :D
2014-12-01 08:49
2 replies
braindead
2014-12-01 14:11
ROFL this story makes me so happy.. enough said.
2014-12-02 03:40
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Poland dijef
He said it would be okay if LDLC would figure it out earlier. And that's the thing. It was so good they couldn't and that was the problem. Also how the hell they could know they could snipe him down from T spawn. Such things require exploring boost during practice.
2014-12-01 12:34
1 reply
Sure they could, and they did. The boost takes so long to do that as a terrorist you have plenty of time to get in position to counter it. That is if you know about it. Fnatic did, no one else did. Thats why they won.
2014-12-01 16:49
Rip fnatic
2014-12-01 04:20
Fnatic in full damage control mode.
2014-12-01 04:21
4 replies
+1
2014-12-01 09:19
+1
2014-12-01 12:10
+1 hahahaha just a tad too little too late
2014-12-01 15:15
#591
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Brazil Nobuga
+1
2014-12-01 16:35
RIP
2014-12-01 04:21
That's does change anything.
2014-12-01 04:22
6 replies
I aren`t think that
2014-12-01 04:26
1 reply
yes
2014-12-01 04:53
Change what?
2014-12-01 04:32
1 reply
anything?
2014-12-01 04:47
the intention of pronax post was surely not to reach damaged ppl like you
2014-12-01 10:39
not yes
2014-12-02 03:13
Shameless.
2014-12-01 04:22
2 replies
Pretty good TV show, yes.
2014-12-01 06:18
1 reply
+1 but not the british version
2014-12-01 19:38
haha the fountain hook example is spot on though, but i dont follow dota2, did navi getaway with that trick?
2014-12-01 04:24
27 replies
Yep, and everyone were happy because Na'Vi is most adorable dota 2 team like NiP in cs
2014-12-01 04:28
2 replies
And you are talking bullshit. That "bug" has been around longer since Dota2 exists, and it was part of the game mechanics forever. It has been tweaked after International because it has been deemed too powerful for competitive games (you can fountain hook a guy with aegis, effectively denying his aegis as there is no chance he is getting out of the base). Proof for all you bullshiters: youtube.com/watch?v=VEjLIou4aGI (2012) youtube.com/watch?v=soQf0Hsw1lM (2009)
2014-12-01 06:10
1 reply
yo quit your bullshit pls... 123 Kappa
2014-12-01 10:29
Vfountain hook isnt game breaking. What they did as fnatic gave them full vieq of the map. Almpst like a maphack. Hook isnt gamebreaking. Its like knifing in csgo. Adding insult to injury. Get it ?
2014-12-01 04:30
20 replies
No its not you have no idea what youre talking about
2014-12-01 04:43
3 replies
do you follow dota? fountain hooking is hard as shit to do. boosting takes literally no skill
2014-12-01 06:18
2 replies
#590
shox | 
Canada dB-
It's hard to press crouch and space at the same time.... Kappa
2014-12-01 16:33
#592
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Brazil Nobuga
+1
2014-12-01 16:36
Did u even watch the dota match?! Tongfu basically was in a huge lead and navi came back from the match by doing some fountain hooks on Hao who was Tongfu's carry a.k.a farmer. THAT was game breaking. Idiot.
2014-12-01 04:47
9 replies
And you are talking bullshit. That "bug" has been around longer since Dota2 exists, and it was part of the game mechanics forever. It has been tweaked after International because it has been deemed too powerful for competitive games (you can fountain hook a guy with aegis, effectively denying his aegis as there is no chance he is getting out of the base). Proof for all you bullshiters: youtube.com/watch?v=VEjLIou4aGI (2012) youtube.com/watch?v=soQf0Hsw1lM (2009)
2014-12-01 06:10
8 replies
#559
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Estonia looodi
you know that u could boost back in 2001 too if u wanted
2014-12-01 15:43
5 replies
Yea, you could boost on olofpass as soon as it was introduced :p so it's other team's fault for not figuring it out sooner ;) Also, dota2 hook bug is exactly the same!
2014-12-01 16:23
4 replies
no team knew of this boost. fnatic saw a video and asked the owner to delete it so they can use it in dreamhack... if they genuinely found it themselves i wouldn't care at all. Scummy move, karma got them.
2014-12-01 18:24
3 replies
Im pretty sure if their was a video showing this.. Fnatic would not be the only professional team aware of it.. nice try though.
2014-12-02 03:15
2 replies
I love clueless muricans.
2014-12-02 04:08
A video of that boost was uploaded like 2 weeks before DHW.
2014-12-02 18:39
You got some problem in reading. I said the fountain hook at that game was game breaking, it turns the situation around with those hooks. Why are u explaining all these bullshits to me? i do know its a mechanics since forever. Im just disagreeing when he said hook wasnt game breaking. Retard
2014-12-02 06:03
1 reply
Hahahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah what a cunt you are. It is as gamebreaking as every other spell in the game. Hook didn't win the game, hook bought time for Alchemists to build up and he won them the game after the fight near the Roshpit. Topic of discussion was whether Hook was something exploited that couldn't be countered (thats game breaking) and fountain hook isn't such a thing. I will not call you a retard since that would be insulting to that mental condition. You are aching of something much worse.
2014-12-02 11:03
fountain hooking took a lot of skill to time perfectly. Godspot on overpass doesn't take any skill.
2014-12-01 05:06
5 replies
+ over fucking nine fucking thousand. fack
2014-12-01 05:08
#583
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Finland Kurppa
That's not even the point. Who cares how much skill it needs? If it was hard to get to that boost point, would it be more fair to use it then? I hate people missing the point of an example, and the conversation gets off the tracks immediately..
2014-12-01 16:16
1 reply
You are completely missing the point. Valve was told about fountain hooking way before the International. Fact is Fnatic knew about a exploit and didn't report it. Also asked the guy that posted it to remove it. There's a bunch of ppl that post youtube vids of bugs for valve to fix.
2014-12-01 19:46
too bad CS GO aiming takes more skill then anything dota could possibly offer.. even if the person isnt looking at you.. GG
2014-12-02 03:16
1 reply
Are you serious?
2014-12-02 11:03
Yes, they got away with it and got to the finals. I'm still pissed at how valve just ignored it.
2014-12-01 04:37
This example is bullshit actually. This was not bug, it was the intended work of game mechanics, known well since Dota 1, it was so high risk move that nobody ever tried that in competetive game, and suddenly when Navi appeared to be a team ballsy enough to do it they removed the mechanics...
2014-12-01 15:33
1 reply
+1 and other thing everyone forgot of: navi did that trick like a lot before that international. It was versus EHOME in 2011 ESWC finals.
2014-12-02 13:21
hard to read , skipping that , tired of that situation
2014-12-01 04:24
lol at least fountain hooks is relatively hard to land. their boost gave them control of the enitre map for free.
2014-12-01 04:24
17 replies
yeah even trying to compare this to the fountain hook is a fucking joke
2014-12-01 04:27
2 replies
+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111+1111111111111111111111 Pronxax trying to find any bullshit excuses. ok kid
2014-12-01 04:37
At least it looked funny:D
2014-12-01 05:44
This, had Dendi not landed those hooks it was worthless.
2014-12-01 04:30
But still, the way they played it was really broken. And landing the hook results in a free kill. Which opens up .. the entire map for (almost) free.
2014-12-01 04:31
Thing is Lirik that the boost is counter-able. Fnatic said it them self that the boost can be shut down easy by a scout if you just sneek up to a corner were olof does not spot you instanly.
2014-12-01 05:41
10 replies
yeah but its extremly hard to spot if you dont know where it is. and your immortal from the mid-A area so you could basically just hold B at the beginning of the round and then later boost to spot A-mid
2014-12-01 06:12
9 replies
So bad gamesense is the LDLC's fanboi's excuse now? lololok. The reason that boost wrecked them, is LDLC is too emotional, they get mad, you could see it on their faces, they were about to cry right then and there.
2014-12-01 07:20
8 replies
While it's true that LDLC could have handled a simple boost, it would be very hard for them to deduce that there could exist such a godlike boost in the first place. How can you even imagine that a boost could give full vision of B AND mid-A AND T spawn? Plus, the boost is just above another boost spot on B site, which makes it hard to spot with sound alone, you need to clearly see your opponent in order to know where he's shooting from. I'm pretty sure that for the first few rounds they thought olof was boosted somewhere from B site. Once they figured it out, it was too late, and the emotional state this search provoked was too great for them to overcome, which is understandable. The fact that they had a huge lead was also a factor of their state of mind. Accepting a comeback from an opponent and cool your head in order to finish the match is doable, but accepting a comeback just because of a godlike boost that you didn't even know about is another thing. Most teams would have crumbled. In other words, if the boost wasn't godlike, I would have fully supported fnatic, but this kind of boost is just too much to simply allow them to use it honestly. As f0rest said: "This isn't CS.". I would have loved to see a rematch of this map, too bad fnatic forfeited, I really like their rivalry with LDLC. I hope we'll see them fight again.
2014-12-01 08:56
7 replies
Thanks for not being a douche, HLTV does not deserve you haha. But really, from what I've seen, LDLC is a AMAZING team, but once shit doesn't go their way they get mad, they definatly don't have cool heads. Also, the ref's said it was legal,during the match, why WOULDN'T they use it? This is their job, and their job is to win, people act like this is just all for fun or something. They found a edge(I really doubt they knew how well this boost would work, Part of keeping something secret for a surprise is not using it, they knew it owuld give them a edge, but I really doubt they knew how much of a edge. Also I'm sure they did try to take down the spot checking it out, and yes, since they knew where the boost was it was probably easy to spot, but once spotted, it was easy to take down. Which begs the question if LDLC is so much better, then when they DID find out, how come they didn't boost over pipes and pick him off. It's not hard.) and since LDLC couldn't find out what was happening, they kept going. I would love a rematch to, it's just this is a once in a time thing to see in CS, it has ALWAYS happened though. Pro players are MENT to push the game, find different ways to win, that's the point of competing. You can't do the same stale ass stuff every round of every game. CS is not JUST twitch aiming, it's about smart boosts, smart game sense, and smart map knowledge. Thing is, if people are calling fnatic out over OP boost, then I think it's only fair to complain about LDLC's use of OP CZ's almost everytime.(Which is another issue entirely, they ruin pistol rounds and eco rounds IMHO, the game has been off ever since they were added.) I find it Ironic that f0rest said such, coming from a team that is known to exploit(As in use, not 'cheat') these kind of advantages. NiP from my childhood would of done the SAME thing, and been loved for it.
2014-12-01 09:09
4 replies
HLTV bug, can't post my wall of text :'( will try later.
2014-12-01 10:24
1 reply
:''''( sad face.
2014-12-01 11:25
#561
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Estonia looodi
have to agree, sir
2014-12-01 15:47
Every team abuses OP CZs. JW is a serial abuser of the CZ, it is the one-two combo of his AWP and his sidearm that allows him to make so many balls moves and get away with it. Without such a powerful sidearm, he'd a sitting duck in close quarters. Every team also seems to agree it's OP, but it's in the game, it's known and has been discussed forever, everyone has expressed their feelings on the matter many times, Valve is fully aware of what the community thinks and that it why they upped the price of it and put it in another slot in the first place. There is a big difference between exploiting an OP game mechanic that every team knows about, and whose very existence the community has vocally opposed since it came out, and exploiting an even more OP game mechanic that breaks the map and that you have been sitting on for two months without reporting it. Every top team uses the CZ because it's so powerful, and many pros have also publicly stated that it's too powerful, and its existence is a known quantity. It's not fair to criticize a team for just using a gun that is in the game, known and available and used by every other team. The situations are not comparable.
2014-12-01 16:14
any confirmation as to whether the spot is immortal (can't receive damage) from mid-a?
2014-12-01 20:33
1 reply
It's not fair to criticize a team for using a boost that's in the game, that the other team didn't know but still had the chance to find out/do. That's what makes CS so beautiful, no matter how anyone skewers it, it's a fair game, because both teams have the same exact awportunity's, (lol awp pun!), and LDLC was probably more mad that fnatic found a better boost before they did. It is a part of the game, this shit always has been, as much as the OP awp, and OP CZ, it's there and if you wanna be good you have to learn how to adapt. This is not the end of boosting, and specially boosting to get an advantage. I mean, if you wanna go the 'it's not ment to do that!" I'm sure g00se didn't think people standing on people's head to see over smoke was going to be a thing either. It's the Pro's job to break the game, or it will never be patched, and never be 'fair'. Also, thanks for a big post without calling me names, I do get your points, and they're good ones, it's just this is the norm in CS, it always has been. If people are this butthurt over a silly boost, then pubmasters are gonna make these teams cry tears of rivers, which is sad because in the olden days, even if a team lost to pubmasters they thoroughly enjoyed getting outsmarted and out played by a team not as 'skilled' as them through game mechanics. TL:DR, its more of a gray area then people are saying, it's not 'blatant glitch cheat!' And if it was, there would be no boosting at all.
2014-12-01 21:09
*in already CT sided map
2014-12-01 15:16
#18
s1mple | 
United States t0ro
fnatic are legends. They will come back even stronger and silence the ignorance.
2014-12-01 04:25
5 replies
nop
2014-12-01 10:19
not with this line up.
2014-12-01 13:29
fnatic is a legendary team, these players aren't.
2014-12-01 13:47
2 replies
which fnatic players won the last 3 events before dreamhack then? xD
2014-12-01 16:20
1 reply
cArn, dsn, GTR, f0rest and GuX best fnatic team by far! :)
2014-12-02 18:55
I think fnatic should just disband. There's no way they can recover from all this hate, their rep has gone downhill so fast
2014-12-01 04:25
3 replies
#22
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Sweden fued
how about you shut your mouth?
2014-12-01 04:27
1 reply
He can still type if his mouth is shut...
2014-12-01 04:34
+1. theyre a bunch of twats
2014-12-01 16:19
rip fnatic
2014-12-01 04:27
You guys should hire a new PR-team.
2014-12-01 04:27
That fountain hook thing in the International was ridiculous but fun to watch. It was there only option to win that match, and it payed off at the end I believe. ("player Danil "Dendi" Ishutin's use of a certain ability against opponent -- Chen "Hao" Zhihao --" Opponent is Tongfu right?)
2014-12-01 04:27
2 replies
Hao was their carry and Dendi landed hooks on him at first which made trading very easy. Later on he hooked others too:P
2014-12-01 05:48
Fountain hooks were made by navi year before the international. In 2011 ESWC Finals vs EHOME
2014-12-02 13:29
this is what I don't understand about the community. even having this event be the most secured lan in history, people still think flusha was cheating. I literally think 99% of hltv are a bunch of 14 year olds who can barely pass grade school, yet they act as if they are a bunch of experts on coding.
2014-12-01 04:27
30 replies
every hltv user is at least at the same level as pro's, if not even higher
2014-12-01 04:32
4 replies
Same level? No mate theyre ten levels above and have discovered parallel universes, theyre the masters of the internet, the reddit users are 20 levels above everyone else tho, their gifs are immaculate, insane and fantastic, in one gif they can catch a cheater.
2014-12-01 04:40
3 replies
Ten level's? I'd wreck a pro allstar team like they're silvers. PRO right here. Kappa Seriously though, People peek so much more - including the pro's, in CSGO.
2014-12-01 07:25
in this moment, i am euphoric
2014-12-01 13:13
Reddit suspects flusha too tho :D
2014-12-01 13:48
i dont think hes cheating. i dont like fnatic because of their history of unsportsmanlike behaviour. even trying to compare their boost to ldlc's is insulting. do they REALLY thing that a boost that lets you see a tiny portion of 1 spot, that you then cant even kill someone from is the same as a boost that gives easy vision over 3/4 of the map?
2014-12-01 04:37
6 replies
Can you quickly elaborate on the "history of unsportsmanlike behavior"? I suppose you have in mind that one incident at DHB, for which the players themselves apologized? What else is there to support your case?
2014-12-01 07:41
5 replies
That's already an history
2014-12-01 13:49
Their cheats, Olofboost.... Devilwalk smiling saying they knew about it for 2 months but did hide it from valve just to win this map.... how much evidence do ya need?
2014-12-01 13:54
3 replies
Their cheats? You mean your cheating accusations. Olofboost? So what? LDLC did a boost which sucked at comparison but was just as "illegal". Can you find me an actual quote from Devilwalk saying that? I'm genuinely interested in that one, because I didn't notice anything like it. All I noticed was some kid on reddit saying that fnatic members asked some dude to take down his video, which was backed up by big fat load of crap.
2014-12-01 14:32
2 replies
Just search for :"devilwalk interview dreamhack" , he said it right after the match was over.
2014-12-01 16:44
most secured lan in history Thats the point. The most secured lan in history does not make it cheatfree. They still were allowed to use their own mouse and keyboard. And if you are so naive and think its not possible to code hacks into keyboard/mouse firmware you ought to to some research on it before talking shit.
2014-12-01 05:52
16 replies
Naive? Maybe he's not naive? Maybe it's just people here on HLTV became too paranoid about cheats and SUDDENLY everyone found excuse for fnatic being so dominant on the scene
2014-12-01 07:42
7 replies
It's not out of nowhere, it's linked to the VAC ban wave and the (questionable) informations leaked by some people from the cheat industry and some players. The community never had the habit of accusing a team of cheating just because they dominate, otherwise NiP and VG at the time would have been done for. Fnatic wasn't targeted because they dominate.
2014-12-01 09:07
6 replies
>Fnatic wasn't targeted because they dominate. Not exactly. You say these accusations aren't coming out of nowhere. I agree. There have been VAC ban wave and there was some info about the other cheaters, but the thing is - NO ONE is targeted otherwise than fnatic\flusha, even though he's not really the only guy who's suspicious and have been in those leaked info and stuff like that. There was SPECIFIC hate going on at fnatic's side. And yea, NiP and VG wasn't ever targeted because back then, the community didn't know that there is even POSSIBILITY that top pro players could cheat on LAN. But now, when we all found out about those private cheats, everyone's goins INSANE. I just think it's Valve's job to get those cheaters and nobody has the right to start witch hunt
2014-12-01 09:32
5 replies
"NO ONE is targeted otherwise than fnatic\flusha" I disagree, it's true that flusha got most of the witch-hunters on him, but I've seen many other threads on other players, like olof, krimz, JW, kioshima, etc... It's true that fnatic got most of the hate, but I don't think it was because they dominate. I think it's because as flusha got more and more suspicious clips out in the open, people started wondering why fnatic didn't do anything on this matter, and then they assumed they were protecting a cheater and so on... It's a downward spiral, once people are convinced that someone cheats, the whole team and organization becomes a suspect as well.
2014-12-01 10:18
2 replies
Well, I won't tell a lie, I can't say that I think that this is happening ONLY because of fnatic dominating. I don't think that this is A REASON of hate, but I do think, that BECAUSE of this hate, community found a way to doubt in fnatic's past achievments. I was hoping that fnatic could win DH Winter and prove that they are really number 1 team on the scene, but here we go, dat boost and all the drama after. Now everyone's saying 13-3 NO WAY FNATIC COULD'VE WON THAT, but we never know, they are #1 after all.
2014-12-01 10:27
1 reply
Indeed, we will never know if they could have won that or not, I personally highly doubt it, especially with the mindset LDLC was in before the boost happened, but I'm sad that we couldn't have this great quarter-final take place without a drama. I really hope this kind of thing doesn't happen again, with fnatic or any other team.
2014-12-01 11:29
"NO ONE is targeted otherwise than fnatic\flusha", target other players then, I want to see the same aimlocks on GTR or f0rest, for example
2014-12-01 13:50
1 reply
+1.... Flusha is targeted cause he has fucking suspicious clips. not one.. not 2... but about 100 at this point. I bet you cant even find 1 clip with GTR!
2014-12-01 13:58
You clearly dont pay attention to anything. pLH The mouse/keyboard and driver had to be verified before use. And there was supposedly a hack involving the cellphone, so players had to turn in their phone before the match. Anders and semmler used a clip from n0thing (a while back) to show that some actions made by the player would be perceived as cheat if you didnt know it was a pro player.
2014-12-01 09:16
2 replies
dignitas players confiremd ontwiiters/fourm noone was checking gear
2014-12-01 12:24
dupreeh confirmed himself noone checked their gears
2014-12-01 13:51
Im pretty sure Fifflaren statet that all mouse and keyboard chips were checked before the matches. Do you think Dreamhack admins are stupid enough to think hacks cant get stored on gear? Get real dude.
2014-12-01 09:18
2 replies
I refer to #482 and #424 www.hltv.org/news/13693-fnatic-penta-progress-to-playoffs#r6910266 So next time please do your research before you start spouting nonsense and insult people because you failed to do your research. Do you even lift?
2014-12-02 02:11
1 reply
im not insulting anyone. How was i suposed to know you refered to a different post, lol!
2014-12-02 10:28
really because swag said he wasn't allowed to use the mouse he was using all week as bootcamp.
2014-12-02 01:46
1 reply
Yeah, because he didnt send in everything in time what the admins had requested.
2014-12-02 02:05
never an event will be 100% cheat free with how advanced the cheats are today and will be tomorrow.
2014-12-01 12:16
tldr flusha cheats. fnatic kick flusha and all will be good
2014-12-01 04:28
4 replies
flusha dident cheat
2014-12-01 04:34
3 replies
whatever u say pronax
2014-12-01 04:38
We have aimlocks gif, explain all of them, and you may convince me he is 100% clean
2014-12-01 13:52
1 reply
No proof.
2014-12-01 15:44
yeah but fnatic try to win with boost in every round thats unfair and even worse for viewers to watch.I dont think even if pronax found that boost to try everyround thats a bit bad for a professional org fantic and players.
2014-12-01 04:28
4 replies
Why is it unfair? LDLC could of used the same exact boost. LDLC also could of killed olaf with ease if they weren't so busy getting ready to cry.
2014-12-01 07:26
LDLC even admitted that they would have used the boost if they knew about it.
2014-12-01 09:17
I found i hilarious to watch. And painfull...
2014-12-01 09:26
i found it pretty entertaining.
2014-12-01 09:57
#30
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Poland marco555
Dont even try to compare Pudge combo to your boost, little boy...
2014-12-01 04:28
3 replies
You're right!, Fountain hooking is worse. LDLC could of EASILY killed olaf if they had ANY game sense, or didn't cry and gt mad, falling apart when they get wrecked. Fountain hooking is guarenteed kills, there's no way someone is escaping that.
2014-12-01 07:28
2 replies
+1
2014-12-01 13:14
Except if you miss any of the 4 points required to achieve fountain hooking all of which that has to be done in split second.
2014-12-01 21:02
Since when Dota and CS has anything similar to be compared? Since when an orga like NaVi could be compare with such a hated orga like Fnatic? Dont even pronax, please dont!
2014-12-01 04:31
3 replies
wtf is navi who established in 2009-2010 compared to fnatic?
2014-12-01 16:45
2 replies
LOL! I love Fnatic at that time, read again: "Since when an orga like NaVi could be compare with such a hated orga like Fnatic?" This FNATIC era is one of the worst, since they have names who cheated like JW, refusing handshake, kicking schneider, they are doing a lot to be hated. Dont get me wrong, I like gus, dsn, pita, carn, friis, trace, xist, and almost every player except this line up, and trust me, im not alone.
2014-12-01 18:17
1 reply
oh on that matter yeah i kinda agree with you on this one, seems like players lost respect of community in various ways i thought you said navi is somewhat legendary organisation compared to fnatic lol
2014-12-01 18:23
i dont understan the hate towards fnatic
2014-12-01 04:34
12 replies
Let me throw a few things: - Handshake. - Cheats. - Hiding from valve for 2 months such a bug to win a game. - Devilwalk interview after the win. - Tweets from their manager after the win. To name a few, and I didnt mention the "flusha/olof shit".
2014-12-01 04:40
11 replies
cheats LOOOL
2014-12-01 05:33
- Handshake. "MODDIII started the trashtalk and heat up their own team, by the time fnatics apologized and kicked MODDIII". - Cheats. "Bunch of gifs proof nothing" - Hiding from valve for 2 months such a bug to win a game. "Hiding? so Fnatic is hiding things but LDLC is not?" - Devilwalk interview after the win. "Devilwalk interview is just a few minutes after they win, they never aware of community would label them as cheater/abuser because of the bug, they thought they can be proud from their own win. They never thought it was cheating whatsoever." - Tweets from their manager after the win. "what tweet"?
2014-12-01 05:51
7 replies
They didnt kick MODDI for that, they play along with him after this, also JW, Flusha and Devilwalk still there. Cheats: hltv.org/news/9550-wrtt-react-to-thor-di.. Hidding, because fnatic was working with valve in maps, they can and should say if something like this was wrong, if you cant see the difference between fnatic and ldlc boost, i cant do anything for you. Devilwalk reaction, saying they knew this over 2 months and even asking a guy to hide this, is bs. Tweets: twitter.com/cArnCS/status/53841296658949.. Im to lazy to find you more, that day was crazy.
2014-12-01 05:58
4 replies
They never thought it was wrong, because according to their statement it was similar but better version of boost. They honestly think it was fair and square, they were saving it for finals but in the end it turns out to be overpowered. They agreed to play rematch but what do they get? hates. hates everywhere. Devilwalk reaction in the interview is basically after the game is done, they are not allowed to access internet and they haven't receive information about complain, nor HATES and RAGES from community because of that boost. I'm sure devilwalk talked proud thinking that they are interviewed because they're winning, not because people think they are abuser. They went back to hotel, receive complain, open up internet, people talked shit about them. Yes I watch the game, I felt excited watching that boost at first and many people watch it with me feel the same as the insta thread I made in hltv got bunchload of positive replies. Then suddenly hate spreads and people spit in fnatic's logo, taking all the negative thing of all they want to do. this community speculate and making assumption of the worst from fnatic, then throw it of to an argument everywhere and it spread like pest in forum. From where do you heard the "pixel walking" and "fnatics blackmailing people to remove post about boost in reddit" coming from? that's right, community.
2014-12-01 06:09
3 replies
+1
2014-12-01 07:53
#321
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Sweden Tragic78
+1
2014-12-01 09:02
Good answer! I can agree with you at some point, but again, this boost was found 2 months ago, they should say something to valve to fix it, period.
2014-12-01 17:57
hltv.org/news/11681-fnatic-sign-pronax-m.. ""MODDIII started the trashtalk and heat up their own team, by the time fnatics apologized and kicked MODDIII" nice your first point is already bullshit. btw nice to see that you and many more braindead ppl still forget that nip was the reason for there behaviour as they cried for a re-ot because they messed up with the ot-rounds :( but hey its nip so lets forget it and only see fnatic doing bad stuff
2014-12-01 10:55
1 reply
I didnt disagree? It is indeed that NiP complained and ot was replayed. I was saying that its unfair. -fnatic complained back at admin and everyone thinks they're scumbag -but back in the days nip complained but fnatics are scumbags?
2014-12-01 13:40
-Handshake: after NiP (get_right) whining about loosing overtime and fnatic had to replay it (they still won). Totally understandable, but both NiP and fnatic have apologized for their behavior. -Cheat bunch of kids making clips that prove nothing, you can take clips from any pro player and make it look like cheat -Boost: fnatic doesn't make the map, valve does. So be mad at them for making a ledge there. i.imgur.com/oCL6xxO.jpg -interview: hating a team because he was happy they won and you just mad. How old are you?
2014-12-01 09:25
1 reply
Im 25. I was towards JW for cheating (he admitted), end of story. Boost, if they are working with valve (as I read), they had to say this!, also this map is new, we wanted more maps in the map pool and of course those needs some tweaks to work perfect but this kind of behaviour isnt for the good of new maps, now you cant trust in new maps if teams find bugs and did not tell nothing!
2014-12-01 18:05
"The only reason the boost seemed so game-breaking was because the team we played against took to long to figure out where Olof was standing." yeah, all ldlc had to do was find olof's tiny head across the map, figure out an angle from which they can kill him so that he cant see them, save up the money for an awp, dedicate time to JUST kill him, hope they can still win the round when fnatic is down 1 man on a ct sided map. then do that every round until fnatic lost the absurd amount of money they had saved up. sounds super easy to me
2014-12-01 04:35
4 replies
Is it me or is it already fucking hard to sometimes spot people in lower dust2 already.. what makes them think they can find olafs tiny head fucking across the map..
2014-12-01 04:35
3 replies
because they already know what to look for. ldlc had NO idea where olof was boosted for 10 straight rounds. by that time they had only 3 more rounds to find a spot to kill him from and save up money for an awp.
2014-12-01 04:39
2 replies
Practically man, what disgusts me is what I said below.. 2 months.. "respect for community" yea right lol...
2014-12-01 05:23
so it took ldlc 10 rounds to find out where a guy is who gets 2-3 kills every round with an unsilenced weapon?
2014-12-01 10:50
fountain hook was a well known mechanic, the olof boost wasn't
2014-12-01 04:35
16 replies
+1
2014-12-01 04:35
Both are still bug. So being a more well known bug, isnt it more incorrect to use it in a compy and Navi still won that match though. Fountain hook bug has been fix ever since.
2014-12-01 04:58
14 replies
Not telling valve about bugs even though valve specifically asked pros to give them feedback on bugs. Very respectable, isnt it?
2014-12-01 05:56
1 reply
+1 thread can be closed
2014-12-01 13:37
I dont think its a bug, that mechanism is forever there since dota 1.
2014-12-01 06:02
10 replies
it is? O.o
2014-12-01 06:29
4 replies
It is.
2014-12-01 06:39
3 replies
well it's an unfair comparison then.
2014-12-01 06:40
2 replies
You cant really compare them tbh, fountain hook was more like a gamble trick.. which if you miss the hook, you would end up in a 4v5 fight cause pudge is still gonna be teleported back to fountain. Also only a few players ballsy enough to play pudge in a top competitive matches.
2014-12-01 06:49
1 reply
ah sounds like wombo combo.. :\ youtube.com/watch?v=pD_imYhNoQ4
2014-12-01 06:54
Wasn't in Dota 1.
2014-12-01 08:08
4 replies
Ofc it was, we tried to pull this off many times in Dota 1 with friends, but just at pub games not TI finals ;)
2014-12-01 15:36
It was.
2014-12-01 15:39
2 replies
Not with Chen. Only with Wisp or KotL as you had to cast the hook in the fountain to catch them, which makes whole thing alot more complicated and harder.
2014-12-01 18:32
1 reply
Yep, but it's still the same mechanism. Though it was harder to do it with wisp.
2014-12-01 19:19
Fountain hook is not a bug. It a game mechanic. It wasn't fixed, it has been tweaked.
2014-12-01 06:14
"We did not think there would be anything wrong with using this boost." "And I cant help to think that if a team like NiP was to use this boost that they would have endured the same reactions as we did. They would get praised." I respect pronax, I really think he's a really good player. but.. (imo) I don't think NiP would do such an "abuse" (God spot) just to win. that's the difference there. with that tweet..so he wanted to be prasied like dendi? fountain hook -- people knew about this before dendi used it in ti3. "olofboost" -- no one knew about it except when used on that particular game. huge difference there. knowing and not knowing. can be countered. so fnatic want LDLC to counter the boost on that particular game? where they're pressured and just doing what they "know"? sad excuse.. just sad
2014-12-01 04:43
11 replies
you don't "think" no you have no fucking idea, along with everyone else here. You just assume. You don't "know".
2014-12-01 04:42
2 replies
oh fnatic lover. yeah that's why I said "in my opinion" how about respecting the opinion huh? stop crying to me. So let's just not use comments section in this forum then? even pronax has his own speculation. I have my mine. ffs
2014-12-01 04:47
1 reply
#135
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Sweden fued
As soon as someone is defending fnatic in any shape or form, you are stampled as a fnatic fanboy. Which is why the majority who speak out is witch hunters.
2014-12-01 05:09
How do you know that NiP wouldnt use it? NiP used the admins for a different rule in DH Bucharest against fnatic, fnatic won an OT MR5 but the rules said it shouldve been MR3 so NiP complained and lost again, NiP are not perfect either mate everyone wouldve used the boost trust me, even Semphis said it i personally wouldve use it
2014-12-01 04:42
6 replies
I'm not a fan of Nip mate but if you were referring on that situation, I get they complained about it but they respect the loss afterwards which fnatic disrespected their handshake. youtube.com/watch?v=zLwqahjtEWw ..but fnatic abuse the boost that no one even knew about it. It's just knowin' from my persepective about NiP. people are still allowed here to say what they think here right? :/
2014-12-01 04:56
5 replies
No they didnt respect the loss, they lost the first time and shouldve accepted the loss, its a lose-lose situation for NiP too and they came out as the good guys, if NiP wouldve beaten fnatic in the second OT wouldve that been fair ? No maybe, maybe yes, depends on the perspective, fnatic were mad just like LDLC were at least fnatic let it go the first time not like NiP they played the OT again fnatic didnt play the match they forfeited.
2014-12-01 04:57
4 replies
gonna quote you here mate.. "fnatic won an OT MR5 but the rules said it shouldve been MR3" it's in the rules. they have the right to complain about the rules. and DH decided to repeat it. it's not about the loss-loss situation. it's about how they think how the rules should work. so fnatic won both OTs they have the right to be unsportsman-like? on the LDLC situation. they have the right to complain as well anyone has. it was decided by DH that it's gonna be a rematch because they both used immortal spot accdg to the rules. but it was fnatic's decision to forfeit.
2014-12-01 05:07
3 replies
And fnatic had a right to complain about the rules too, LDLC BROKE THE RULES TOO, havent you been following? LDLC boost (way less effective and used way less) was illegal too, so technically they broke the rules and fnatic had a right to complain, if this was a court of law the fnatic would've had a case, the point is don't say that this team would not have done this or that, you never know.
2014-12-01 05:09
2 replies
yeah man. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING. LDLC broke it accdg to rules too~ I DDNT SAY THEY DIDN'T. holy crap man. My point here is THEY ABUSED THE BOOST MAN. they can see whole freaking map, do you think it's fair as a cs: go player your enemy knowing where you go every time? It's just like map hacks but it isn't. I'm talking about the morals here not the rules. If you want them to win the law then good for you. I have the right to say what I want to say man. that's what the forums are for. I'm just saying it's hard to respect a team like that because of the things they've done.
2014-12-01 05:20
1 reply
I think the point Darklord012 is trying to make it that its ok as long as it`s not fnatic. The boost fnatic made was ruled as legit, but both teams used the immortal boost. So that was the reason for replay. If i got the DH statement correctly.
2014-12-01 09:44
#504
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Poland dijef
Having knowledge of this boost would probably making it easy to counter. As guy on the boost could be shot down from many angles. Also it takes a time and 3 people to prepare. But because it was 1st time, it was a huge abuse.
2014-12-01 14:10
Boosting on red-rock on nuke in 1.6 was forbidden as well..same as some other spots. This boost should be as well. Dunnow what he's crying about.
2014-12-01 04:40
2 replies
You do know this boost isnt known before this compy right? Those boost in 1.6 was known therefore the forbidden rule was implemented before the compy.
2014-12-01 05:03
1 reply
Yes, i know. But they kept this boost a secret for..how long? Instead of reporting it so Valve can fix it before the tournament, they decided to abuse it.
2014-12-01 05:22
mimimi, go to hell fnatic...
2014-12-01 04:43
1 reply
Hater
2014-12-01 09:26
"loose/loose"
2014-12-01 04:43
2 replies
nope.
2014-12-01 04:44
1 reply
he wrote "loose/loose" in the post xD
2014-12-01 05:58
In the first half of the match, LDLC had been boosting up Smithzs from almost the same spot that Fnatic boosted Olofm from. I'm not saying LDLC's boost was even remotely close to as powerful as Fnatic's, but I still don't understand how LDLC didn't figure out where Olofm was at a much earlier point. Just consider how they had been boosting their own player from almost the same spot a few rounds earlier. All they needed to do was to aim where Smithzz had been boosted, and they would instantly kill Olofm with a sniper. Just tell Smithtz to buy a scout and look where he was being boosted... Unbelievable.
2014-12-01 04:44
12 replies
LDLC was unable to adapt, and fnatic was blamed
2014-12-01 04:55
11 replies
go to hell fnatic fanboys just mad you lost
2014-12-01 05:16
6 replies
well, fnatic didn't lose, so not really. they forfeited bud but if LDLC did win hypothetically, that's fine, better team wins. end of story
2014-12-01 05:26
2 replies
fnatic lost, because : firstly : forfeiting = loosing secondly : if you remove the rounds when fnatic used that ILLEGAL boost, and the ones when LDLC used their ILLEGAL boost, that makes 10-3, easily winnable situation, but according to the rules, those rounds are supposed to be given to the other team, making the score 23-5
2014-12-01 14:03
1 reply
you can't add/subtract rounds based on the boost. that has nothing to do with CS. we can't judge who's the better team until they play eachother again. end of story.
2014-12-01 18:24
did you just became irrational because of my perfect argument? aha. classic dumb person who doesn't realize what hes doing.
2014-12-01 06:16
Except they won 16:13 and LDLC cried their way to the finals.
2014-12-01 07:44
Im not even mad Fnatic lost lol!
2014-12-01 09:28
As if you could find a head taking 10 fucking pixel on your screen by simply searching for 10 seconds before dying
2014-12-01 14:01
3 replies
they could have deduced his location after the anti-eco round.
2014-12-01 18:25
2 replies
How could they deduce his location ? They moved forward, then suddenly died, then they checked for rounds to figure out where he was and even when they did so (10 rounds later), they couldn't kill him because it's a god spot from many positions
2014-12-01 19:09
1 reply
from their own boost, if you jumped you could hit the guys going sewer with a scout... they also knew the shots were coming from the left side relative to where they standing (which would be CT spawn area). also they knew that olofm was in CT spawn because when they rushed there, he was always there.
2014-12-01 20:01
LOL the fountain hook took precision and skill to pull off from dendi and chen, the boost fnatic did was dirty and cheap
2014-12-01 04:44
5 replies
explain where the precision and skill is? it doesn't look very skillful
2014-12-01 05:03
4 replies
You have to land the hook at the moment the moment you get send back. The skill to send him back is not insant but takes a few seconds. So the timing has to be absolutely perfect. Did this in HoN back in the days and it is not easy in any way.
2014-12-01 06:21
1 reply
thank you
2014-12-01 06:24
The fact that Hook is not target spell isn't enough for you? Let me explain in case you were serious and not braindead: Chen has to cast his Test of Faith on the Pudge which has Hero Teleport Delay (6/5/4/3 seconds). Split second before Pudge is getting teleported back to base he has to use Meat Hook (not a target spell aka you have to guess your opponents movement and target with your mouse pointer). While hook flies towards the target, Pudge is teleported back to base. If the hook latches, the enemy is getting hooked to the base (targets gets hooked to Pudge's location). If he misses, he is on completely wrong side of the map, and his team is left to fight 5v4. Get it now? High risk high reward. Game mechanic, not a bug.
2014-12-01 06:21
1 reply
ok i don't know shit about this game so I was just speculating, ty
2014-12-01 06:24
hahahahaha fag
2014-12-01 04:47
I feel sorry for fnatic, this community sucks.
2014-12-01 04:49
2 replies
yes. luckily reddit is starting to come around and there are signs of a growing minority defending them. i hope community will recover.
2014-12-01 04:56
You're totally right.
2014-12-01 09:31
great response by pronax. he raised some really good points that no "expert" at DH thought of I trust pronax more than any other "expert" that has commented on the situation. he has more knowledge of the game than anyone and understands exactly the challenges LDLC faced with that boost. he felt that LDLC would have spotted the boost much earlier in the half, which would've actually given them the advantage, because they could just pick olofm off every round.
2014-12-01 04:53
1 reply
well instead of trying to come up with some counter-play they rather cry after the game even if they used a similar boost that violated the same rule.
2014-12-01 05:04
At least NaVi (dota) didnt know where the opponents were all the time :)
2014-12-01 04:52
2 replies
nice analogy Kappa
2014-12-01 05:00
1 reply
ty, im doing my best Kappa
2014-12-01 05:06
Maybe instead of hating on Fnatic maybe we should be complaining how Valve is doing their jobs.... sure I still hate Fnatic for using a boost like that even when they knew it's something that shows that it's completely not a fair game. But they would've never gotten their hands dirty if Valve actually worked on VAC and made sure every map was clean and polished
2014-12-01 04:56
4 replies
yup, and also that boost has been known for 8 months or so, and valve has ignored it. i love how no one mentions valve's responsibility in this whole disaster
2014-12-01 05:00
+1
2014-12-01 08:02
Oh sure it's valve fault as well. But you know that talking to valve is like talking to the walls, you get no response..
2014-12-01 13:40
1 reply
Yeah I like to see Valve to actually take part of the community instead of just throwing money for prize pools
2014-12-01 22:31
Oh great another rehashed wall of text from fnatic.
2014-12-01 04:57
21 replies
#99
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up
Because reading is difficult and takes forever, says typical American.
2014-12-01 04:57
11 replies
Where did I imply that I haven't read it? What does being American have to do with anything?
2014-12-01 04:58
10 replies
#107
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up
Nice post edit
2014-12-01 04:59
9 replies
Nice avoiding my question
2014-12-01 05:00
7 replies
#114
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up
Because your original post suggested "TL;DR" (which I have forgotten the exact wording, due to you being embarrassed enough to edit your original post), and because many Americans, like you, are unintelligent and avoid reading anything that looks like "a wall of text" due to having issues reading quickly and thoroughly.
2014-12-01 05:03
6 replies
"due to you being embarrassed enough to edit your original pos" I said the exact same thing. You're a fucking idiot. Go back to your hentai. If you have a problem with Americans move out of our country you faggot.
2014-12-01 05:06
4 replies
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up
hahahah somebody's mad that I was correct
2014-12-01 05:07
3 replies
What is there possibly to reword? I was insulting fnatic for rehashing with another wall of text?
2014-12-01 05:09
2 replies
#136
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Hong Kong SHiFT^up
Rewording the post about pronax's post being too long such that you didn't read it.
2014-12-01 05:11
1 reply
Riiiiiight. Lay off the drugs.
2014-12-01 05:12
and where did you learn that 'many americans are unintelligent'? Did you pick it up from random internet stereotype? good on you brother.. may your 'intelligence' flourish
2014-12-01 21:00
btw don't you have hentai to be watching?
2014-12-01 05:02
he actually makes some really good points =/ more than i expected honestly
2014-12-01 04:59
8 replies
"I thought that Dreamhack took the right decision in restarting the map from 0-0" WHAT A GOOD POINT BRO. The only ones that agree with it are FNATIC and idiotic FNATIC fanboyz
2014-12-01 05:07
7 replies
first, that's 1/50 points he made second, that is the right decision, because both teams violated the same rules, hence the match should be restarted. LDLC got lucky as fuck and still were not satisfied. Their twitter skillz are too stronk.
2014-12-01 05:13
6 replies
FNATIC used GAME-BREAKING mechanic - everybody commentators, players, managers, us ... said they should be DQ LDLC used a boost that: 1. Wasn't gamebreaking 2. Pretty common boost 3. You can't see whole map and snipe a guy at higher connector, lower connector, tunels, etc Whole antiprotest was the stupidest thing FNATIC could do. Totaly unprofesional idiots who can't say "we've taken it a little bit too far"
2014-12-01 05:18
1 reply
none of your points matter, because from DH's perspective, for them to start 13-3, they would break their own rules.
2014-12-01 07:06
Wasnt it that when you use an illegal boost the round would be given automatically to your opponent?
2014-12-01 06:58
3 replies
DH didn't do it like that, LDLC wouldve won by like 20-7 if that was the case
2014-12-01 07:07
2 replies
Ah ok. I think it's partly DHW admin's fault that they didnt published the rulebook to the public.
2014-12-01 07:16
1 reply
yes they should've done that
2014-12-01 07:27
So pronax thinks that NIP would msg a guy who made a video of a boost to take it down ? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA no -_- NIP has a respect for the game, for the play, for the gameplay ... and for other teams ... WHICH FNATIC lacks
2014-12-01 04:57
6 replies
lmfao. you're trusting some rumor started by probably a child that "fnatic asked me 2 tak my fideo down!!11" as evidence that fnatic was being dishonest
2014-12-01 04:58
5 replies
Well they were quiet for 2 months, the dates on the reddit agrees and the guy had/have JW in friends ... dunno 'bout you but I am leaning towards the "rumor". But you are right, they didn't adress that. Maybe they are ashamed, maybe maybe maybe.
2014-12-01 05:01
So, explain why there is no topics about that bug. There is 1 single video before this event about this bug.
2014-12-01 05:02
3 replies
because no one cared about it I guess. but it was known.
2014-12-01 05:04
2 replies
I would bet my ass that it would be fixed
2014-12-01 05:06
1 reply
So give your ass serbian, start preparing for the penetration
2014-12-01 12:27
And that video is same shit ... would DQ NaVi for using game-breaking bug. Shame they didn't
2014-12-01 05:02
3 replies
+1
2014-12-01 05:03
+2
2014-12-01 05:06
And you are talking bullshit. That "bug" has been around longer since Dota2 exists, and it was part of the game mechanics forever. It has been tweaked after International because it has been deemed too powerful for competitive games (you can fountain hook a guy with aegis, effectively denying his aegis as there is no chance he is getting out of the base). Proof for all you bullshiters: youtube.com/watch?v=VEjLIou4aGI (2012) youtube.com/watch?v=soQf0Hsw1lM (2009)
2014-12-01 06:23
actually the bug Navi used was fixed right after, but due to dota is complete different game, it cant be compared to cs, as the terms "bug" is quite non-existent.
2014-12-01 05:06
3 replies
It was around for a months after tournament ended as it existed before Dota2 existed. And its not a bug its a game mechanic.
2014-12-01 06:24
1 reply
thats what i was talking to. it was well-known, not like fnatic boost, and it was fixed due to lots of complains about it, not due it being a bug
2014-12-01 11:00
Not to mention the Pudge hook into chen tp (needs to be timed correctly to do it properly) it's a lot harder to do than that shitty overpass boost in spawn. Olofm used the boost every round bar the first because they screwed it up. Once he was boosted he could clearly see most of the map, it was only in the last 3 rounds (i believe) that LDLC caught on. Olofm if ever getting picked from that spot, could just get up there anyway on the following round and just spot by jumping. Make your conculsions.
2014-12-04 09:14
So true about dota
2014-12-01 05:08
pronax please delete ur life. French Best Bye Cry
2014-12-01 05:11
3 replies
Pronax is probably a beter personality than you.
2014-12-02 10:45
2 replies
:D:D:D:D poor shitty idiot from sweden? ha i am pay him for my toilet cleaning for money what he have for 1 year so yeah stupid idiot
2014-12-02 11:25
1 reply
Always the dumb belgium.
2014-12-03 10:34
Pronax go home and start Tetrising.
2014-12-01 05:18
would be nice if hltv wasn't a facebook status update
2014-12-01 05:22
I believe it was NBK that said there is supposed to be a round penalty for each use of an illegal boost. Thats how it is in esea also. So if DH had followed the rules, fnatic would have lost since they did the illegal move every round whereas LDLC did it like once or something. DH are the real fuckups here, not the players.
2014-12-01 05:34
what a fool he is. He think the hate of fnatic boost is from flusha and olofm's suspicion. If he Nip use it? the legit players wouldn't use it. disband
2014-12-01 05:35
can someone explain this DOTA thing to me? I have no idea what is going on.
2014-12-01 05:36
2 replies
they used a bug where you could send pudge back to base with chen when he hooked someone and the hooked target flew to the fountain and instant died.
2014-12-01 05:39
2014-12-01 06:25
1)The fountain hook was a well known exploit. The boost was only known by fnatic (even kept it hidden which is disgraceful). 2)It actually takes skill to land. The boost doesnt require more than 2 guys crouching for you. 3)They needed to pick around this strategy, therefore commit into something that had downsides. The boost is pure win, not any single downside. 4)The navi game was one of the most spectacular games in dota history. The fnatic game was the most boring game i ever watched in all cs history. This said, yes both these games were won by the guys using the exploit. Both exploits were removed from the game. But one is nowhere near OP as the other. Therefore the reactions were not as tense in both cases. Btw anyone could have used fountain hooks during the international, but no one else did, because it was a risky play and it actually took skill.
2014-12-01 05:39
3 replies
I don't know anything about dota, so i can't say about the hook. but the boost did have a potential downside and that is, if LDLC spotted olofm early, fnatic risked playing 4v5 every round they did the boost, because he's extremely easy to kill
2014-12-01 09:39
2 replies
"Extremely easy to kill" if he ever died from that spot (which I don't think he did) he could just jump peek it and make it a lot harder to get killed, but still have the entire map to look at. Let's face it, EVEN if you have never touched Dota, just by watching the fountain hook video, you CLEARLY can tell it is INFINITLY harder to pull off, not just once, but I believe it was 3 chen/pudge hook combos on the carry (Hao) for them to just scrape the victory. Comparing these 2 scenarios is just nonsense.
2014-12-18 02:22
1 reply
it doesn't look infinitely harder to pull off, but i admit that I know shit about that game... and this is old stuff, fnatic admit that they abused it, and they apologized, forfeited, all over and forgiven now
2014-12-18 02:28
lame excuse , what a shame
2014-12-01 05:41
stay strong pronax and fnatic, these newschool players will return to reality soon. :) I do think that LDLC deserved the win though
2014-12-01 05:47
nip will never use boost like that, and i enjoy the show nip vs vp, nip vs LDLC. I hope fnatic kick u guy asap.
2014-12-01 05:55
stay strong
2014-12-01 06:00
yeah, I'm sad about all this stuff too, how the community of 10yo hltvtards witchhunted them off dreamhack and crushed their reputation and ruined the csgo scene. and I was among them. yes, I'm 10yo hltvtard, I admit it. so it's flusha's turn to admit he's cheating and volvo's turn to VAC ban, pls
2014-12-01 06:02
How is being able to see most of the map without even being spotted not game-breaking?
2014-12-01 06:03
21 replies
youtube.com/watch?v=iSQsabWhZ-A Cant belive it took them 13 rounds to understand where they got shot from, especially since they are using a boost on almost the same spot.
2014-12-01 06:07
20 replies
Yay, pronax is using the same argument as me <3 Been working 12 hour days for 4 days straight defending your team on all platforms, glhf bro <3
2014-12-01 06:19
2 replies
thats so fucking gay. shame on you
2014-12-01 13:02
hahahahha nice life you have there man :D
2014-12-01 14:10
Wrote that on the forum right after the game. If they had figured it out it would be easy to counter since he can't cover all those angles. Then again it's easy to say when you when you know the spot or is watching a stream. Should also be easy to throw a smoke up there. Thanks for actually responding on HLTV. Was sure you guys stopped checking this awful place. Good luck and get mr Flusha's spirits up again :)
2014-12-01 06:30
I don't think you would've either. keenetrial.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2..
2014-12-01 06:32
I also can't believe you think it's legal and not game-breaking. Besides, olofboost is pixelwalking. They are not almost the same
2014-12-01 06:42
7 replies
pixel walking was not against the rules tho, there is many different boost spots on many maps that are "pixel walking" that everyone uses all the time.
2014-12-01 06:57
6 replies
Rip in peperino cheaters
2014-12-01 07:14
1 reply
why are you crying frenchie? did you lose some skins on that bet? ahah
2014-12-01 12:34
"Pixelboosting is allowed in DH winter, only DH summer had no pixel boosting in the roles" - By DHW Admins It sounds like killing people is illegal yesterday but today is not. DHW may be the only magor allows pixelwalking Yes. There are still some pixelwalking spots in the map. However, they don't gain you extreme advantage from spawn and break the game. So other teams didn't file protest
2014-12-01 07:20
it was fair we don't deserve this hate. i aren't think that.
2014-12-01 12:32
u are no sport man for me any more sorry for the hate but is deserved I dont have u stop playing or fnatic disband but usaing this boost like a rats and next cry pls norespect
2014-12-01 15:43
Being a fnatic fan since '05 along all the other gaming platforms, I believe what occurred at DH has SEVERELY tarnished not only the players in the team, but the organization as well. I'm also absolutely appalled by the behaviour of flusha. After months of cheating accusations and backlash with all these witch hunt videos, he leaves a message on his Facebook on how much he hates the community and quite honestly, a pathetic excuse for his dodgy play. After all of this, I still believe in the FNATIC ORGANIZATION, however i'll say what I believe a lot of Fnatic supporters are thinking, and that is we hope you learn from this experience, and think about what your actions can mean to others. Sorry for my bad english. Good luck in your future events and make us proud :).
2014-12-18 05:19
fnatic bring your torch, community has spoken your out. Oh and your video it's useless he already know the boost after dh if it was before i would say ok but it's pointless here.
2014-12-01 12:45
pronax for me and all of your true fans you are the real champions - remember it :) the best match i have ever seen in CS:GO was fnatic vs Dignitas few months ago with lots of over-times, extremely close match (i'm not sure but i think Dig actually won it 2:1 - old fnatic line-up), but the best map i have ever seen was definitely de_overpass in fnatic vs LDLC at DHW 2014 :) after such disastrous half, in which to be honest you should have won at least few more rounds you came to CT side at 3:12 and also lost 4on2 pistol round what made the score look almost tragic at 3:13... I can only imagine how much pressure was on your team at this time... and then you rekt them totally with that boost, it was unforgettable how LDLC members faces looked like :D and you drove the audience crazy :D that was massive, guys! :) as u said it was very easy to kill olof, but LDLC were sooo lost and frightened that they were afraid of every step on the map :D you were the real winners after one of the most EPIC COMEBACKS in CS:GO history! LDLC have won the tournament - please ask them how does it feel to win a tournament after beeing smashed in quarter-final and crying to admins and the community :) I have no idea why u guys have so much haters, who did you mess up with?! it's quite interesting... but nvm, it makes me cheer you even more! NEVER GIVE UP! Show them your mastermind skills! No fear, my friends! Cu in the next major in Katowice, for sure i will be there hoping for a fnatic vs VP final :)
2014-12-01 14:19
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Sweden jasjwl
+1000
2014-12-01 22:16
+2
2014-12-02 10:46
Surely you can't be that dumb? If you KNOW about it it's easy to counter. Why would they think to look up in the sky when someone is shooting them? You're an actual cancer to this community if you're still defending this. You abused a game breaking bug and you and your team paid the price. You deserve all the hate you get from this. Saying that, you don't deserve the hate for cheating accusations which I believe have increased the hate for this bug abuse in the first place. So sorry for you guys for that shit.
2014-12-01 14:22
First of all, I agree that playing the map overpass from 0-0 was the right decision. Both the teams used an illegal boost, but what I dont understand is, since overpass is a new map, what is the problem to tell valve those boosts to get a balanced and good game in cs go. Obviously when they think that it is legit and cant keep it for themselfs it is a problem. Sadly I see a few teams and many players that behave immature. Which in my opinion leads to the younger generation which plays cs to think, "oh yeah, when that pro flames officially other players I can do that too", or in this case "oh, they used an unfair advantage, that has nothing to do with skill, how could I do that?!". If you are a professional on such a level it should be a priority to show nice CS in and outside of the game. And last, how the fuck can you be happy to win this match against LDLC in that fashion after the game?!
2014-12-01 14:27
puuuffff and you try dont get hate pls get out
2014-12-01 15:40
"Dont get me wrong, I understand that the boost we used was A LOT better then the boost LDLC used. But the boost is not as game-breaking as the Dreamhack "experts" said." That is biggest crock of shit I have read in days. Not as game breaking? BRO! You saw 3/4 of the whole map and had an ADVANTAGEOUS angle. Also, we hate Fnatic because FLUSHA is blatant as hell in his cheats. There is a difference between a community "witch hunt" and a collective opinion that someone is cheating based on CONCRETE evidence. I really am going to boycott the crap out of any sponsor Fnatic has. Such a BM, hitting below the belt, lying bunch of whiners.
2014-12-01 06:03
10 replies
In the first half of the match, LDLC had been boosting up Smithzs from almost the same spot that Fnatic boosted Olofm from. I'm not saying LDLC's boost was even remotely close to as powerful as Fnatic's, but I still don't understand how LDLC didn't figure out where Olofm was at a much earlier point. Just consider how they had been boosting their own player from almost the same spot a few rounds earlier. All they needed to do was to aim where Smithzz had been boosted, and they would instantly kill Olofm with a sniper. Just tell Smithtz to buy a scout and look where he was being boosted... Unbelievable. Now shut up.
2014-12-01 06:18
8 replies
olofboost is pixelwalking, not almost the same. Is this your another new account, pronax!?
2014-12-01 06:47
3 replies
please read before you reply, idiot. what i am saying is that smithzs was boosted only 1m away from where olofm was boosted, so only a stupid team like ldlc would not be able to find olofm instantly.
2014-12-01 06:54
1 reply
+1
2014-12-01 12:36
You know why he is comparing those boosts? Because both will give you map breaking info. Info > everything in csgo, you understand that much?
2014-12-01 06:54
yeah it should have been easy to figure out but get this 1. Olof aware of this and with an auto in hand would have countered it easily. 2. The spot is unspammable from a lot of position that is because of the transparent walls. It was a win/lose situation, cause if he had comeback from 12-3 without using that boost, he would have gained all the respect of the world. But he chose not to since he protested. That shows he dint have enough faith in his own team. But to me he still is the best IGL, his rep doesnt take a hit. It is just that he leads an amateur team.
2014-12-01 07:04
Dude how many posts ? You are answering to every single accusation against fnatic. Why dont you go get a life ? I feel really bad for you dude.
2014-12-01 07:10
2 replies
You should feel sorry for yourself, assuming people don't "have a life" because they defend someone online
2014-12-01 09:54
Mr. Baguette, I can proudly say that I have spent something like 60+ hours over the last two weeks defending Fnatic on HLTV, Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, you name it. Few people have been allowed to threaten them or treat them like trash without me replying to them in hopes they will realize their mistake. Probably a thousands posts in total if you include all those platforms. And you are actually partly right that I am a semi-nolifer atm because I'm in between exams. But at least I'm spending my time doing something I consider worthwhile - which is defending Fnatic. Because never before have I seen someone I like be treated as unfairly as they have been treated by you people. Community has been acting like Neanderthals and I can't sit by and watch it. And it feels so fucking rewarding that people are now finally starting to realize their mistake in bullying Fnatic.
2014-12-01 12:53
Why don't you send this CONCRETE evidence to VALVE? I'm sure they will ban flusha straight away
2014-12-01 09:47
Fuck all the haters, honestly. If I could, I'll run them over for Fnatic. Especially the ones giving death threats out there, a big fuck you kids. Best of luck to Fnatic and keep fighting the good fight. Haters will hate.
2014-12-01 06:10
I agree that the witch hunt has gone to far and i think that most of us feel like the way devilwalk told us about the boost, that they have been sitting on it for 2 months was a fucking joke, I wish someone in the audience would have punched him straight in the mouth with that disgusting smile... Valve had even asked the pro players to report potential bugs on the map so they could be fixed.
2014-12-01 06:13
have much boost on csgo, why dont fixed?, its just, please valve fixed the map and close topic.
2014-12-01 06:30
You cant compare the boost to chen+pudge combo in dota2. After that game pronax mentioned, it has been patched and removed sadly. But it was well known stuff to everyone, it was there since dota1. It is extremely hard to do and requires a lot of skill. After the game there was some controversy about it, but not as much as the boost. People understood that it gave navi advantage and enabled them win over the chineese in TI3. However, as i mentioned it was well known and extremely hard to do.
2014-12-01 06:39
6 replies
Yes and this boost would also be removed. But there are no crying French gays who lack brain in pro data that's the difference...
2014-12-01 06:52
1 reply
You are wrong. Community and players did not see anything wrong with it. It was extremely hard to do. Let me explain. Chen hero has the ability to send back friendly hero back to base, once he cast its it takes around 2-3seconds to send the hero back. The hero on which spell 'return' was casted cant take any dmg during that time or the spell is cancelled. The second hero is pudge, who has skill 'hook' (similar to scorpion hook in mortal kombat). The hook travels for about 1-2s at max range, you can avoid it by moving. In order to bring the hero back to the fountain while hooked you need to hit the enemy hero with hook exactly at the time when you are being teleported back to base by chen 'return'. The pudge players needs to time chen's spell and hit the enemy hero with hook at exact time. IT WAS VERY HARD. Almost impossible to do for common dota pub player. This boost does not require any skill. Anyone can jump on it and see half of the map, kill enemies without any problems. YOU CANT COMPARE BOTH.
2014-12-01 07:00
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Sweden fued
That's what he trying to say: it was patched for a reason but na'vi still won and no one said a word about DQ na'vi.
2014-12-01 06:59
1 reply
The decision to remove it was made by Valve, not by community or players. I was honestly disappointed that it was removed as it was entertaining to watch as it required a lot of skill. Besides the pudge hero is almost never picked in competetive dota. If it is picked, it's because of the player - Dendi. Who likes the hero a lot and is very good with it. YOU CANT COMPARE BOTH.
2014-12-01 07:04
It was not in Dota 1. I don't know where you people are getting this from.
2014-12-01 08:19
1 reply
It was. You seem to be clueless one, not him.
2014-12-01 21:09
I don't see what is the fault of a team like fnatic, because the game have such bug. I know, there are event rules. At the beginning of CS:GO they came and presented the game as the "future"! Ok, this is the future, so why anyone have something to argue? They said 1.6 is outdated, and boring, and has no good graphics, no new maps, many cheaters. But how comes that in CS:GO are exactly the same probs as there was in 1.6? Hmmm... brainwashed
2014-12-01 06:43
Pronax > ldlc x20 Not his fault frenchies were too stupid to think outside the box and lose 14 rounds because of one boost, plus they were pixel walking too just on lesser boosts... Also this dreaded new community that came too hltv judging about pros and knowing shit about the game... It is not fnatic's fault that volvo made this boost possible.
2014-12-01 06:50
Its too late pronax, no one cares about your excuses. Btw, you are talking about NiP, but remember that NiP would report that bug..
2014-12-01 07:00
1 reply
okay
2014-12-01 12:46
The thing is he approves starting from 0-0. If he were real he would have started from 12-3 and if they won then I would have given them all the credit. That was the most respectable situation. It wasnt a lose/lose sitaution it was a win/lose situation cause if they had comeback starting 12-3 they would ahve gained all the respect and shown that they dont require any bulshit thing to win them games. And yes he can specualte how the community might have reacted if NiP used that boost but i would have condoned it just like i did with them. i respect pronax as an IGL, one of the best i've seen that is why i did not expect something of that sort. LDLC practically won no round because of their boost. It was highly ineffective. As to flusha cheating, the only way to prove the community worng is to come back even stronger and there is nothing more satisfying than proving your haters wrong. GL at ESEA.
2014-12-01 06:58
won $100 betting on fnatic vs ldlc get rekt
2014-12-01 07:04
1 reply
gz my brazilian friend, lets dance samba arrivaaaaaaa
2014-12-01 07:09
no sportsmanship. a winning mentality doesnt mean to be an opportunistic asshole and abuse things that are obviously not meant to be like that. doing anything for a win is such a dumb argument and if taken to the extreme could mean cheating/DDosing to win could be perfectly fine under circumstances.
2014-12-01 07:09
omg so pathethic now all these excuses and walkting about lose/lose situaton, lol if it would have been a lose-situation when they would have won again ldlc and won the DHW... its all just to take away the attention from flusha and olofm cheating again and again... this week they will play in north america, lets see, how they like it to be cheated/betrayed on...
2014-12-01 07:10
1 reply
are u drunk?
2014-12-01 07:31
I can't agree with that boost, it's just not a fairy play. Other than that, fully agree. Please come back stronger!
2014-12-01 07:18
Such a bad typo and so small wtf.
2014-12-01 07:22
NIP>Fnatic>ALL
2014-12-01 07:32
the whine-age level is so high
2014-12-01 07:42
"It was a LOOSE-LOOSE situation" lol.. No but for real, I've always said thus community is rancid.
2014-12-01 07:43
Doesn't matter what this braindeaded community thinks or how much hate it shows for no reason.. FNATIC ALWAYS <3
2014-12-01 07:43
People hate fnatic cause they are the best.
2014-12-01 07:44
"I had seen LDLC using a similar boost against NiP in the groupstage, and thought it was fun that they also had found something that no other team knew about." What was the part about you guys knowing this 2 months in advance? Ha.
2014-12-01 07:49
Even if they figured out where Olof was, it would be really fucking hard to kill him, as he could see you before you could see him. This is really fucking pathetic by fnatic. I've lost all respect for them, once again.
2014-12-01 07:51
This community is a disgrace and hltv.org is to carry the banner, I would rather see htlv.org disappear and be forgotten due to it's retarded user base. We could easily compare this site to cancer or cockroach, but that would really be an insult to either cancer or cockroaches.
2014-12-01 07:53
1 reply
There's the door, now go. You wont be missed.
2014-12-01 09:51
Pronax is such a scumbag. trying to justify their own stupid judgement call by mentioning NiP, so jealous of them ^^ U know what Pronax NiP Doesnt need gamebreaking bugs to win comebacks!
2014-12-01 07:58
2 replies
Look what you did there, cancer!
2014-12-01 07:58
you're full of shit, gather facts and come back and try to argue
2014-12-01 12:38
Flusha's excuse of lifting his mouse a lot is so lame. Why don't you see it like that on other players? If he's cheating they (valve) should bust him, if not, have an official statement they've reviewed him and he's clean, so the community and the players themselves can continue forward. Regarding pronax - I think they (the Fnatic team) just could not cope with the hate and gave up at some point during the night (before the decision). cArn and co brought the immortality bug of Smitzz to the table and their boys got the chance to fight but there were not warriors left. Fnatic always looked so good when they win, and they looked as hopeless, as when choosing to forfeit, every single time they loose. If they want to win and be the best so much, they need to be a bit real and get a bit more professional. Sadly, the same goes for LDLC as well. I see they felt they were treated unequally but they made a bit too much of a cry for it. In general, as a non NiP fan, everyone should look up to those guys as their behaviour is just as it should be from a professional player. I am the most disappointed by lurrpis' comments about all the mess. I've heard on the streams he's a very mean guy/fan-boy but I never had the interest to read his twitter. When I was waiting for a decision on Friday I was checking what he tweets and some if it was disturbing. If he thinks of himself so high, he should try and get a directing position at Valve or some of the big tournaments, so his word is truly heard, otherwise he will continue to be a whining kid that's not let in the playground to play with the others and cries at the fence cursing at them or their rich/powerful/whatever parents. And lastly, the community shows exactly the same maturity as when I get into a MM game (DMG/LEG rank) - complete incompetence, childish behaviour, blatant, stupid and very disappointing in general. There is no IQ test you have to pass in order to play some video games but the word COMPETITIVE should stay a bit of a no-no for people with disruptive behaviour. I really hope they make the game free and a competitive pass say 10 euro. I think we'll have much better times playing the game and having fun/improving.
2014-12-01 08:20
A lot of respect for Pronax and the rest of the Fnatic team. <3
2014-12-01 08:23
Well said It is possible its a demo glitch or something that makes people suspicious Just watch the games as they play main suspect on overpass is the QC
2014-12-01 08:30
I watched flusha the entire tournament 50-70% of his kills are eco and exit frags. And maybe 20% were him baiting he's teammates. Regarding him saying that flusha had aimlocks on dreamhack winter that is not true, none of these were aimlocks he just aimed thru the wall and happened to see someone there, but the clips from earlier tournament were blatant as fuck.
2014-12-01 08:37
OMG. This is just... What a shame pronax. youtube.com/watch?v=dB4M6RzGl0M This is legit pronax????
2014-12-01 08:39
Reporter: So which team do you think you will have problems with during the DH? Devilwalk: I don't think there is a team that can make us problems i mean we are not afraid of any team right now.
2014-12-01 08:41
Huge respect, whatever you or your team does, do not bow out to the community pressure. It's what they want and it's pure retarded! Keep coming back and proving yourselves! Look forward to cheering in 2015 :)
2014-12-01 08:41
"The only reason the boost seemed so game-breaking was because the team we played against took to long to figure out where Olof was standing." I couldn't agree more. But still, aim-lock is real.
2014-12-01 08:41
7 replies
You couldn't agree more with retarded argument? you must be ..
2014-12-01 08:52
6 replies
It's not retarded bro. This boost seemed so unfair because LDLC didn't know about it and not because of the boost itself youtube.com/watch?v=iSQsabWhZ-A
2014-12-01 08:58
2 replies
So if you don't know about game-breaking boost it's not gamebreaking? HAHHAHAHA how old are you?
2014-12-01 09:02
1 reply
Obviously your low iq doesn't help you to understand, but i will try to explain it better. It's exactly the opposite of what you say. The boost is NOT GAMEBREAKING ITSELF BECAUSE ITS VERY EASY TO COUNTER ATTACK IT. But since LDLC didn't knew about it, you and many like you, think that the boost itself is gamebreaking. If you don't get it, i give up.
2014-12-01 12:25
hello saucer! can you be a little more biased because to you everything about 1.6 would be an exploit and cheat and therefor you had to play CSS with hitboxes big as NBK's whiny head... :( Why don't you cry about LDLC using the junk CZ ? that's not a game breaking and perfectly balanced?
2014-12-01 09:03
2 replies
Hello worst troll eu. I'm playing this game for 10 years. And I have never seen boost like that in competetive 1.6 match. So by your logic f0rest and TaZ are saucers? Go away low troll. twitter.com/g5taz/status/538414296485855.. twitter.com/f0restCS/status/538412136826..
2014-12-01 09:08
1 reply
+1 just have to check pro player's twitter, everyone agree with forest and taz. except Carn...
2014-12-01 09:49
Respect to Fnatic! LDLC also used a boost that wasnt meant to be.....
2014-12-01 08:44
DHW 14 never forget
2014-12-01 08:46
You didn't deserved this hate, but you can't help on the childish mentality, which define anything unnatural that better or different. Keep working hard, and just focus on the positive reactions. <3 NiP
2014-12-01 08:48
4 replies
youtube.com/watch?v=dB4M6RzGl0M this boost is childish mentality
2014-12-01 08:51
3 replies
This boost is result of creativity, and research.
2014-12-01 10:41
2 replies
Fnatic didn't find this boost.
2014-12-01 10:42
1 reply
So you saying that, your only problem is the fact, that Fnatic used the boost. Becouse no matter who found this boost, this is a result of what i said.
2014-12-01 11:13
In response to this statement from Pronax. "Despite what a part of the community(including few pro-players) might think.. We are trying to play a fair game," Putting up a statement saying "We are trying to play a fair game" after doing that boost you guys did on overpass makes you guys look stupid. I am sure you will try and argue that the boost was the same deal as the one LDLC did, but as you are able to see what side of the map the enemy are going to, due to being able to see 3/4 of the whole map, you might as well be looking at them through a wallhack and stacking the bombsite the enemy team go to. While LDLC's boost only shows a small proportion of the map that does not give a major advantage. Just thought I'd put that out there.
2014-12-01 08:53
So he just admitted he has no integrity and needed exploits to win a game. Stop calling yourself a pro gamer man you are a joke.
2014-12-01 08:59
1 reply
yeah only team that used game breaking boosts is fnatic... ldlc,nip etc are saints and gods of csgo :(
2014-12-01 09:00
fnatic the best <3
2014-12-01 09:07
The statement sounds like "if someone could cheat, why not us?"
2014-12-01 09:19
lol flusha was 100% cheating
2014-12-01 09:20
no mercy for cheaters!!!
2014-12-01 09:26
Expected. More lies. "And there is clips from dreamhack where he does the exact same things that made some people accuse him of using "aimlock." And i actually think that speaks for he's innocent."" Again no single word that flusha did not cheat. Only that nobody found something.
2014-12-01 09:31
Fair game lel haha Hltv wont stop hating because of shitstatements like this
2014-12-01 09:44
everyone is destroying fnatic because of that boost. and the flusha shiz looks bad, but come on.. what do u guys aim at around corners. the ground, the sky, or where a head might be? that being said i never believe internet crap, but man flusha looks so suspect, and its sad. cuzz if he's hacking, i can guarentee, a player on every team is.. except navi, cuzz i love them
2014-12-01 09:54
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ESEA : " More to come soon "
2014-12-01 09:56
Are you wanna die
2014-12-01 10:04
I still do not understand why there is so much confusion? After all, the same admin said that everything was legal.
2014-12-01 10:08
go fk yourself. really.
2014-12-01 10:27
TITAN along whit polish people fuck of.we no you are cheeating u are only trying to get fokus on fnatic assholes
2014-12-01 10:31
1 reply
NiP was dominating for far way longer and no one had problem with them even now after so called "witch hunt" no one have problem with them so stfu fnatic fanboy
2014-12-01 10:52
Go pronax!
2014-12-01 10:40
comparing that rat boost that allows you to see the whole map to dendi and puppy fountain hooks is wrong on so many levels,that actually takes skill and timing to pull off,plus when dendi failed his hooks he had to buy tps or smokes although he was pretty fukcing poor. my point is the boost fnatic did is safe and game breaking as there is no guessing game left giving that you can see where the terrorist are going,and even if you are spotted you cant be killed from most positions;whereas dendi/puppy fountain hooks were extremly punishable and required high level of skill and precise timing along with tongfu making some dumbass mistakes. edit:pudge and chen combo was in the fukcing game for ages,and everyone knew about it,and its not broken it can be countred and tongfu had the heroes that could have,namely doom/darkseer.
2014-12-01 10:48
1 reply
+1 pronx is clutching to straws he should bow his head in shame
2014-12-01 11:00
He think if he use op glitch it makes game more entertainment? Such unlegit retard!
2014-12-01 10:51
game breaking bug, still the best dota2 game i have ever seen and to see it at International first of all it WASNT bug but game mechanic secondly it was well known thing but hard to execute it correctly and noone realized how overpowered it actually is(again if you will do it correctly) so thats the reason why they changed it... completely different story from what fnatic did
2014-12-01 11:05
... pls pronax
2014-12-01 11:30
lol pasha must be ashamed of himself being mentioned with olofm and FLUSHA... MY FRIEND.
2014-12-01 11:38
haha that DOTA2 clip is exploiting over 9000 and pronax says hey guys its okay to do that shit hahahah plzzz uninstall
2014-12-01 11:43
Well spoken. Gl in the future guys and make sure to get your motivation up for 2015. I can see you guys taking the no.1 spot in the end of 2015 if you keep grinding.
2014-12-01 11:48
gj pronax <3
2014-12-01 11:57
100% with pronax on this one, all this hate on fnatic based on nothing makes me see the whole community as a bunch of silver players going full retarderino 24/7, just sayin'.. I'm I the only one that thinks Fnatic won the game fair and square? epic comeback imo... ps. not even a fanboy
2014-12-01 11:58
4 replies
100% with you, the boost was legal and the "pixel walking" was consider legal too.
2014-12-01 12:50
#656
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Sweden jasjwl
100% with you
2014-12-01 22:31
2 replies
can we make 100% with you a thing like '+1' ? x'D hahaha
2014-12-01 22:58
1 reply
#723
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Sweden jasjwl
2015-01-01 03:26
#402
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Japan mameloff
please do your best with that and challenge yourself gl fnatic <3
2014-12-01 12:00
"The fountain hook is known by the developers in Dota 2 and they have said that there is no intention to remove it, and it is apart of the game." Apples and oranges Pronax... Apples and oranges.
2014-12-01 12:00
3 replies
Did developers "in" CSGO removed pixelwalking on maps ? No, they didnt.
2014-12-01 12:10
1 reply
+1
2014-12-01 21:30
Actually, they removed it :)
2014-12-01 15:28
What a load of bs. As a professional organization, i think they shouldn't give a shit about any accusations towards their players, unless they're not clean ofc. Apart from that, the Overpass boost has been one of the dumbest moves i have ever seen in CS:GO history. Why would anyone show such disrespect for his enemy when he is already being accused of playing a non-fair game. None of fnatic's recent actions has made any sense.
2014-12-01 12:02
If fnatic were to play their next LAN tournament on independent computers/equipment with only a config file would that satisfy everyone? The witch-hunt does need to end, I'm seeing no end of idiotic videos which show nothing at all. I won't be wasting my time with it. If anyone does have irrefutable demo proof which has been reviewed by others get in touch.
2014-12-01 12:01
5 replies
SF and KQLY proved that you don't need any software installed on the PC - its all embedded into your account
2014-12-01 12:03
4 replies
Oh right, you know that for certain then?
2014-12-01 12:18
3 replies
No, I haven't seen it with my own eyes so I'm not certain. But I believe it's the highly possible reason for the VAC BAN
2014-12-01 12:23
2 replies
No its not
2014-12-01 12:51
1 reply
and what is?
2014-12-01 12:53
...had a chance to replay the match from 0-0 instead of 12-3 (or 13-2 can't remember). and this calls the lose/lose situation? Devilwalk say (with that arrogant smile): "we have not trained, didn't need" but pronax say "we trained a lot". Sorry fnatic but "as you make your bed, so you must lie on it"
2014-12-01 12:04
stop reading after 2nd line (to play a fair game).
2014-12-01 12:07
Well explained. Now you just need to keep ignoring those kids and keep playing. Simple as that.
2014-12-01 12:09
1 reply
It is kinda hard, when the community that players rely on is full of shit... But, yeah. To be the best is a hard work, which I am sure Fnatic are capable of ;)
2014-12-01 12:14
I dont know what is it hard to undestand in : "this Boost was prohibited by the rules of major". Nothing similar with his example which is not a game breaking bug.. I didn't hate Fnatic but they real fuck up this time and their reaction are worst.. Flusha : "didn't care about this community", OK.. but if u get money is because of us, never forget. Pronax : "i use a game breaking bug and i still think it was a good idea...". The game was completely useless, no fun, no enjoy to watch. Sad to think it was normaly the best match...
2014-12-01 12:14
1 reply
Not a game breaking bug? You can kill with it one enemy no matter what, and they won a very important match, in the biggest dota event, just by using the fountain hook. And guess what, they removed that after the event. It is a very similar example, which didn't get punished.
2014-12-01 15:34
pronax isn't without a sin. Probably he decided to use that boost against LDLC. That brought even more hate to fnatic.
2014-12-01 12:20
HUEHUEHUE M80S
2014-12-01 12:21
"And I cant help to think that if a team like NiP was to use this boost that they would have endured the same reactions as we did. They would get praised. Again, thats only speculation" Ofc because they are not retarded and antipathetic team like fnatic!!!! Pls quit csgo
2014-12-01 12:23
2 replies
Wow, you have so convincing arguments.
2014-12-01 15:35
1 reply
Thank u my friend
2014-12-01 17:51
More crying..so paranoid the whole fnatic lineup. Just a bunch of babies without their mama.
2014-12-01 12:25
the dota2 tweet reminds me when I was 5 years old, when I did something wrong and my parents shouted at me, I defended myself by asking why they didn't shout at my older sister when she did the same thing a few weeks ago. Didn't make what I did not-wrong but at least I felt better. @fnaticlogic
2014-12-01 12:28
1 reply
+1
2014-12-01 13:29
"mather" LOL
2014-12-01 12:30
FNATIC N1! ILOVE! NOOBS!
2014-12-01 12:41
What NIP did, I say this because Pita is a member of NIP and so speak for NIP when he talks about other csgo pro players was disgraceful. Pita started the wich hunt on flusha just before this event and that is really bad. After his tweet the community started to see the whole Fnatic team as cheaters. This hate storm and accusations will affect your chance of doing good in a turnament and I am sure that was exactly what Pita tried to achive. He must have been sure that no matter what he claims only a VAC ban proves anything so to gain an small advantage he throw some shit out and see if the community can help to create a storm of nothing.
2014-12-01 12:57
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#497
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Portugal dracø
The witch hunt started way before pita said anything about it. There were already a enormous spam in hltv, reddit and 4chan about it. The 1st clips started to pop up in the same day SF got vac banned.
2014-12-01 13:59
Dendi is a beast
2014-12-01 13:00
fnatic are all noobs except for pronax who has a really low K/D ratio I think the all cheat. They are noobs i hope they quit cs and get a life fnatic noobs quit cs much wow
2014-12-01 13:05
pronax, delete csgo fckng retardoo)))))))))0000 crying like a little girl :***888
2014-12-01 13:08
Skill to do what dendi did with his team mate >>> Skill to use Auto-Sniper to kill bots.
2014-12-01 13:29
1 reply
+1
2014-12-03 09:39
The comments on this post are insane. Pronax is the man. Good job on taking your time to tell us more about what happened during the tournament. You guys are no doubt one of the best teams in the World.
2014-12-01 13:40
1 reply
5th-8th place, forfeited... they arent even in the top5 olo
2014-12-01 13:57
Stopped reading at "We are trying to play a fair game"
2014-12-01 13:40
I lose respect on fantic and you pronax and your twit is really retard :) We are trying to play a fair game MADE MY YEAR SO HARD STOP acting as if you were the victim, and play fair and no like rats :)
2014-12-01 13:48
talking about fountain hook bug, known and used by all DOTA2 players for years... Kid logic
2014-12-01 13:48
The decision of the DH admins favored fnatic A LOT. They broke their own rules in favor of fnatic. At 4:34 the admin said: "We see that removing rounds according to the rules wouldn't be fair in any way, therefor we decided that the whole maps will be replayed" If they had followed strictly the rules, and removed all the rounds where either LDLC or fnatic used this kind of boost (that let to transparent textures and in case of fnatic even to a immortality bug), fnatic would have lost anyways.
2014-12-01 13:53
"We did not think there would be anything wrong with using this boost." "But the boost is not as game-breaking as the Dreamhack "experts" said." Well it kinda is that game breaking since it limits the T-side so much. It is already too easy to rotate fast in overpass, so the boost was pretty ridiculous. IMO both LDLC and fnatic should of asked from the admin before hand to confirm that the boost would legal, especially fnatic. Also about the fact that people are hating on fnatic, the players shouldn't take hate that harshly and should look at the bright side. When I was watching the LDLC vs fnatic match, I saw the crowd cheering for fnatic a lot. Sure the tournament was held in Sweden, but the fact that there are many people who really support fnatic, should overcome the hate and not make fnatic throw in the towel in the quarter finals. Besides, hltv.org is full of trolls or people whom don't think before they type about something so they're comments are often pretty meaningless. I am not trying to be mean or anything, just expressing my thoughts. So I'll say stay strong fnatic and don't let the community control your actions this way.
2014-12-01 13:55
#490
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Portugal dracø
>We are trying to play a fair game Stopped reading there. After the match devilwalk says "we didn't train the map, didn't need to". I guess this shows how fair the game was :D I hate this politically correct speeches full of bullshit. I like pronax tho, I'm pretty sure he's the one who works the most, not only in fnatic but probably in the entire csgo scene.
2014-12-01 13:56
1 reply
"I hate this politically correct speeches full of bullshit." well fuckin said!
2014-12-01 14:04
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Europe xqt3r
To all that people who think that FNATIC players cheats : guys... prove it , and not by some video compilation gathered from youtube and other sites.. every pro player prefire on the angles and through the boxes ! Such a team don't deserve this after so many years of playing cs and dedicate a lot of time to be on top ! Stop hate them because of their succes . Show them some respect instead . It feels good when you watch them and they offer you a great match ? Maybe some good skins from betting.. To be honest i am NIP's fan and i don't comment anywhere . This community has so many haters .. Guys we are people , we don't have to hate eachother . I am sorry about my english and i hope you understand me .. ! Peace
2014-12-01 13:59
not gamebreaking he says ahahaha
2014-12-01 14:01
And that boost is COMPLETELY game-breaking. You can have 3 guys on A and if the Ts go B you see it early enough to still get 5 people on B in time. It completely ruins the map.
2014-12-01 14:02
Trying to win with a dirtey trick and getting caught. No honour left to play legit ... sorry fnc no respect left!
2014-12-01 14:14
I agree 100% with pronax.
2014-12-01 14:18
Yeye, dw said that it was 100% the players decision to forfeit. These cry outs afterwards is telling me otherwise.
2014-12-01 14:18
The boost was awsome,people at dreamhack loved it. and no other than fnatic did know abaut it. Called mapknowlige
2014-12-01 14:21
1 reply
exactly... ;) audience explodes every round rekt by olof = priceless but ofc next day DHW admin which explained us the thing, standing beside SirScoots, Thoorin and Semmler (or Fifflaren, nvm) - he said that pixel-walking is legit, but the TEXTURES BUG and IMMORTALITY BUG makes the position beeing forbidden... ffs IMMORTALITY BUG?! things are looking more and more pathetic, but also greetings for the lost children - LDLC on overpass #neverforget #foreverythingelseIwillpaywithMasterCard
2014-12-01 14:32
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Denmark vnG
I would have perferred them to play the match, as I actually feel this is even worse than just accepting the penalty and play. They didnt forfeit because they felt it was the right thing to do, they seem to have done it because they was sad about this even being challenged. What might be damage control, was just the opposite for me. Taking a dump in the front yard of "Serious pro eSport"
2014-12-01 14:28
Nice one
2014-12-01 14:29
"we also wanted to squash the cheating accusations, since Dreamhack admins said that they would host the most secure tournament so far in cs:go." Just because he didn't cheat in this tournament. Does not mean he has cheated before. Or can cheat just because the security is stronger in this tournament. "The witch-hunt: But after a few players and some "respectable" profiles joined the witch-hunt as well, trying to get dreamhack/valve to disqualify us from the tournament before it even had started, the same tournament that is supposed to be so secure that we would not be able to cheat... And people want to take away the only chance we have to prove ourselves?" Of course people don't want to play against a team who has a guy who has been cheating. You also don't want to hire a guy who has robbed a bank before to your company. It's big tournaments with big money on the line. No one, wants to play with a guy wasting their time, and cheating them for all their hard work. "I definitely think flusha proved himself, he is the second best rated player in the tournament followed by: pasha, olofm and JW. And there is clips from dreamhack where he does the exact same things that made some people accuse him of using "aimlock." And i actually think that speaks for he's innocent." Maybe he played decently without hacks, when he also has such a strong team around him. Does make it much easier for him to perform. Just like playing football in Real Madrid. People carry a lot of weight for you, if you are weaker. But if you say he did the same aim-locking on LAN in this tournament, then it just means he is cheating again. Because he has been busted for aim-locking before. So no it does not prove he is innocent if he aim-locks again, it proves he cheat again, and again just because this tournament is more secure, does not mean it is bulletproof, no matter how hard you want to believe it Pronax. "We did not think there would be anything wrong with using this boost. I had seen LDLC using a similar boost against NiP in the groupstage" This is exactly the problem. It is okay to use the game mechanics, like boosting, standing on each others heads and shit like that, because it can give you an advantage, but it is not totally destroying the other team in itself. If you can make boosts/bunnyjumps on your team, it is a technical ability. Just like Ronaldo can make dribbles. It is fair because everyone can learn it, and everyone can use it as a little technical ability against each other. It is a small thing to the overall outcome of the game. But using a boost showing the entire map, calling out all the opponents tactics and shit like that. Are you joking? A map is not MADE to be played like that. It is like playing football like this: 1.bp.blogspot.com/-Cevs6QVhGu8/UoUhNu-sU.. Do you really think that is fair? Please don't like to yourself. A nearly total map overview, and sniping possibilities. It is obvious cheating. Making a boost to a box on a side, is not cheating, because it is not changing the entire dynamic of the game. It is just a little technical thing, that is the difference. Your boost is changing the entire way the map is being played from start to end. It is like changing the gravity levels for the ball only going downhill like on the picture. If you can't see the difference between the impact your boost had, and all the small technical things the other teams are doing. I simply think it is because you don't "want" to see it. Because it could not be more obvious. You can measure it in direct game impact, your boost won you 10+ rounds in a row. LDLC's boost, gained them maybe 2-4 kills total. Reality check, thank you. In your boost, there's also a guy standing in the air, which is pixelwalking, luckily for you dreamhack has made a mistake and forgotten the rule. But again, it should be common knowledge for all people with manners, and respect for the game that you want no pixelwalking. So rules or not, should not be necessary. To know what's intelligent and not. "I just cant belive that if other teams had found this boost before the tournament, that they would not have used it if they had not known about the "transparency." bug.. but thats only speculations of course." And that's exactly why you get all this hate. Because you can't understand how fucked up your behaviour and choices are. But you continue to play holy saints with no sins in your lives. According to yourself you have never made mistakes, and are incredible examples for the entire scene. That is what makes people throw up some puke in their mouth when they read your statements. "And I cant help to think that if a team like NiP was to use this boost that they would have endured the same reactions as we did. They would get praised. Again, thats only speculation." I must admit I was laughing when I wrote this. This is coming from like a 5 year old boys brain. Well, the little brother can do anything, but we can't. Poor me. If NiP had a player that was cheating we would find it disgusting too Pronax, and if NiP abused such a big bug in the game like you did, we would find it disgusting too. Please don't be so butt hurt about NiP, if you acted with some class, and had likeable personalities, you would have as much fans as them. But you deny to shake hands, you have an obvious cheater with aimlocking, you deny to kick him from your team, and you keep crying, and crying, and crying in the social media about how tough this is for you, without realizing you are creating your own reality with your actions, time and time again. If you don't like the way people treat you, then change. How hard can it be? "Because even if atleast I thought that Dreamhack took the right decision in restarting the map from 0-0, we had nothing to win by playing that match." Pronax nearly everything you write in this interview causes head pain to me. Your logic, you reasoning, your arguments, it is like so rigid and up in your own arse nearly. Again (nothing personal, I am not here to fight and talk shit, but damn it hurts that you can't see further than your own nose tip) First of all LDLC are one of the best teams in the world on overpass, their T side is insane, and they just destroyed you 13-2. Totally on fire. And you say you have everything to lose, by getting a reset? LDLC had maybe 90%+ chance to win that match, and getting a reset starting from 0-0 being mathematically 50% vs 50% again (in theory) and you mean you have EVERYTHING TO LOSE? You just gained/stole 40% percent winning chance from LDLC, pure robbery. How can that be fair? Even percentage wise if you started from 13-2, LDLC would maybe have lost some percentages, because they were not warmed up, they had spent energy being down about your robbery and so many things. It is just not fair. They were ahead 13-2, they were individually onfire, and as a team onfire. You had a minimal chance to win, and LDLC are insane as T on overpass. Probably one of the best if not the best on T on overpass. Just look how the picked NIP apart. I am sure they would have got those 3 rounds against you. So your logic of fairness is this: 1. 13-2 LDLC on fire 2. Well, we just abuse the greatest bug in history, and if we get the match restarted, well it is totally fair. Let's forget they were ahead 13-3 and onfire. 3. Had 10% to win or lower, and got a reset of the match, with a LDLC side being pissed, disillusioned from being robbed, having to start over from their 13-2 onfire train. = Fair, you simply fucking think it is fair? How can you spit those words out of your mouth. You were losing, you pull the plug, you get a restart = fair. Please stop yourself pronax, take a break, get some fresh air, control those emotions. Something is clearly blogging your vision of reality. The thing about you pulling the plug is that. If you win the match fair and square, then no problem you won. But if you lost, you can just pull the plug and get a restart. That is not fucking fair, that means you have a winning condition that the other team doesn't have. You have 2 tries to win a match, while the other team only has 1 try. Winning a match 2 times on a row on that level is not easy. So by no means fair.
2014-12-01 14:41
4 replies
omg totally agree u fucking rekt pronax's kid logic :D
2014-12-01 14:58
I wanted to edit some stuff on my message. Like few spelling errors and things that sounds weird like "Do you really think that is fair? Please don't like to yourself." (Please don't lie to yourself) But apparently I can't edit any more, weird :o) prntscr.com/5c2qr7 So my bad, if something sounds weird like that. Can't correct it. Again I just want to make it clear. I don't hate anyone, I don't say pronax or fnatic are bad human beings and they are less worth than me. I just felt like sharing my opinion about your logic in your statements pronax. In fact I have always loved Fnatic as an organisation, loved the great memories they gave me as a team in 1.6 with Carn, F0rest, Archi, get_right, and Gux. Peace.
2014-12-01 15:14
Great post!! I like the football comparison you did for the sake of clarity..
2014-12-01 15:10
+1 Great post!
2014-12-01 15:30
It was a one way invisible wall. That's why it was illegal. You're not the most hated team because of hackusations or illegal boosts; you're the most hated team because of your attitude in the pro scene. You deserve all the hate you get until you realise it's the fans that make you. Because by the sound of it, it's gonna be the fans (or haters to be more precise) that are gonna make you quit.
2014-12-01 14:30
fnatic is the real winner od DH winter 2014.
2014-12-01 14:33
1 reply
i see fnatic PR works
2014-12-01 14:45
WELL i vote FNATIC and the boost was crazzzzy. will go to the history books for best boost ever
2014-12-01 14:34
fnatic was bullied out by ldlc and cloud9 reps
2014-12-01 14:35
mapknowlige are also a part of the game friend
2014-12-01 14:37
1 reply
1+ my friend
2014-12-01 15:58
TBH it's a fucking video game, wow they used a bug. It was cheap and cuntish. and they get to replay the game... Then fucking replay and win it, no one gives a fuck about your shitty brand. all we care about is the match, so fucking stop crying.
2014-12-01 14:38
"We are trying to play a fair game" "The only reason the boost seemed so game-breaking was because the team we played against took to long to figure out where Olof was standing." Embarrassing...
2014-12-01 15:27
1 reply
Not really
2014-12-01 15:50
Compares pixelwalking to Dota 2 mechanics that was absolutely legit and worked as intended? Lawl...
2014-12-01 15:29
14 replies
Absolutely legit? They used a game bug, they won with using it several times in the same match. And if it's absolutely legit why did they removed it?
2014-12-01 15:39
13 replies
It was not bug, this game mechanics was meant to work like that and it was known since Dota 1. Only one team in the world was able to pull this off, because there's only one player in the world who can play Pudge succesfully at competetive level - this shows how much of a high risk high reward move was that, not bug abusing. They removed it because it turned out too strong, same like Rubick can no longer Telekinesis on cliffs - it's also not a bug, but a mechanics change that was too powerful.
2014-12-01 15:41
11 replies
But that is exactly what fnatic did, they were the only team that studied the map hard enough to gain advantage and the boost got removed because it was to strong. I don't really understand why that is different, and there was no rules against pixelwalking.
2014-12-01 15:49
10 replies
Navi strat = legit strat, smart use of game mechanic Fnatic = bug abusing, as what they did was not supposed to work like that.
2014-12-01 15:51
5 replies
If it was so "legit" then why did valve remove it? It was clearly not intended to be used in the pro scene. What fnatic did was also clever use of game mechanics.
2014-12-01 15:53
2 replies
I won't discuss it any longer since you cannot see a difference between using a game mechanics to your advantage and using game bugs to your advantage...
2014-12-01 16:00
Valve said it wasn't a bug, the combo was public knowledge for a year or more. They probably removed it because as the game grew older, the players got way better and could pull it off quite easily.
2014-12-01 16:07
You keep saying the same thing, w/o any reason. Not only one team was able to pull this off, any Pudge/Chen duo has the ability to easily take down targets with almost guaranteed success. Someone used it against me on public mm too. And which part not supposed to work like that? Because the boost was totally legal, except tha transparency bug, which they didn't even used. Don't get me wrong, i think they should work on the map, and delete that boost, but 3 days ago, when they used it, it was legal, just like the fountain hook.
2014-12-01 16:08
1 reply
So you admit there's is a difference between a mechanic, known to everyone for a long period of time, that was seen only as a funny pub strat, and an exploit of map that was a fault of map designer who didn't pay enough attention to building the map?
2014-12-01 16:12
#568
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Estonia looodi
+1
2014-12-01 15:53
+1
2014-12-01 15:55
everybody new about it before. Navi used it in another official match at a different tournament, and no one was against it.
2014-12-01 16:03
why people talk about things about they have no clue? firstly it WASNT BUG.it was game mechanic. secondly...even pub scene knew about that.the thing was that teams didnt realize how overpowered it actually is so noone tried to use it(btw do you know why?bcs its hard AF to execute it correctly.many teams tried to train that after TI and vods from that were hilarious as hell).so no...they werent the "only one team that studiet that" but they were only team which made legit strat from it. thirdly...even valve stated that it wasnt bug and they "fixed it" because it was OP... how can you even try to compare that with fcking pixelwalking which is clearly BUG and nothing more.its like you would try to excuse defusing through the boxes or silent defuse. im not fnatic hater and i actually like pronax.he seems like a good guy and im his fan from 1.6 but he is absolutely wrong and his comparsion to dota2 and navi is BULLCRAP
2014-12-02 01:17
everybody new about it before. Navi used it in another official match at a different tournament, and no one was against it.
2014-12-01 16:02
ONCE AGAIN.they was bullied BADLY,DO YOU UNDERSTAND
2014-12-01 15:35
don't be fooled people, this (as well as the DHW dropout) is a disingenuous attempt at restoring/saving the organisation's reputation.. they know (or at least heavily suspect) that flusha has cheated and now pathetically try to turn the tables and make themselves look like the victims in all of this, LOL.. if they were 100% sure of flusha being innocent they'd probably be defiantly trying to prove all the people accusing him wrong and simply continue playing since they should easily be top 1 contenders..
2014-12-01 15:42
The part about NiP is very true. Let's be realistic - fnatic would very likely be the winner of the whole tournament if they had not forfeit LDLC match. I guess not many other teams would decide to do such step, there was 100k$ waiting to be grabbed.
2014-12-01 15:48
2 replies
Ppl keep forgetting. NIP WOULD NEVER DO THAT BOOST AND IF THEY HAD KNOWN ABOUT IT THEY WOULD TELL VALVE.
2014-12-01 17:15
1 reply
did you expect fnatic to understand this? they're just saying this to make themselves look good by dragging others down. they are displaying the typical mindset of the untrustworthy.
2014-12-01 18:06
still strong Pronax and fnatic and forget this fags.
2014-12-01 15:51
#567
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Estonia looodi
i hope u fnatic guys will come back and destroy, pls dont quit
2014-12-01 15:52
another shitnatic logic.... that flusha used aimlock at Dreamhack only point out that he fking CAN and DO cheat on LAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2014-12-01 15:56
i dont mind them using 'bug', i just dont understand how can you say 'ohh he did well on this lan so he doesnt cheat'. explain each individual move he makes in those suspicious parts and maybe players will believe that he doesnt cheat untill then some of us will still believe that he cheats
2014-12-01 15:59
#580
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Finland Kurppa
When I saw the boost, I was thinking about the fountain hooks by Na'Vi. :P I was so excited!
2014-12-01 16:12
Can everybody just relax.. he's innocent til proven guilty, remember?
2014-12-01 16:22
Before dreamhack i was like,, ok, i like fnatic, they are pretty good" after dreamhack ,,Fnatic are best team in the world and i am never gonna change my opinion" Why ? Because this hate on them for no reason, every clip what is made on flusha can be logically explained (ok few are weird, but it still can be explained) and their boost ? I think it was good, why not to use it, pixelwalking is used on more maps and always was used (inferno for example), so why not now ? Because they could see the whole map ? I cant see problem in it.Its really big advantage yes, but tell me honestly, do you think that if LDLC knew about that,they wouldnt use it ? They would, every team would.As he said they could kill him and i even tried that with friends, its not so hard, its just they are "stupid" enough not to figure it out faster. And i think the whole hate increased just because of that cheat thing. Everyone thinks they cheat and now they use boost to completely turn around the whole game. I think most people are mad, because they dont like them, but it was pretty good game and i think not even single person just look at the game without emotions, everyone was suprised and thats a good thing right ? Thats what is the tournaments about and whole gaming, to move with people and entertain, not just look at it as on another boring game. Its my opinion, you gonna say fnatic fanboy,yes i like them, but does it really matter ? They might not have the best personalities (JW) but as a players, they are really good you have to admit it. *ldlc were better that match, i have to say that and they definitely deserved to win that dreamhack :)
2014-12-01 16:32
as others have pointed out; to compare this simple & gamebreaking boost to a very skill-based play in dota2 just shows how fucking retarded pronax and fnatic are and how self-obsessed and toxic they are. he knows full well how dirty and unfair that boost was but they did it anyway because they were so desperate to win. they will do anything to win and i dont think cheating is ruled out either. for him to say nip would use this boost without anyone complaining; to say LDLC used a similar boost then contradict himself; to compare the boost with dota2 fountain hook. I mean wow i just cant get over how fucking delusional he is.
2014-12-01 16:31
He is right about the NIP part though. As much as I hated that boost I like his response.
2014-12-01 16:51
1 reply
Yeah, ldlc wouldn't have file a complaint and it would be remembered as the sickest play of DHW 2014
2014-12-01 22:53
burn him alive
2014-12-01 16:53
To all the fucking haters he was right about the loose loose situation if they would have won the match the haters would have said that they saved their asses by the boost and won the next and if they would have lost their rematch the haters would have been like they deserved a loss after such a cheat thatis the truth And talking about the boost it was the best part of the tournament it was quiet op than ldlc boost And about accusations on flusha about the aimlock if any one hears a sound he will surely move his crooshair towards that direction coz sumtimes looking that way makes it more clear to listen and now if he plays so many matches sometyms doing so he directly aims on the players head theres no any problem in that u can watch any pro players video u will surely see it minimum in 3-4 times so stop acuusing him
2014-12-01 17:03
"game breaking bug, still the best dota2 game i have ever seen and to see it at International." You can't same about fnatic vs LDLC game.. That was just not fair.
2014-12-01 17:09
lose lose situation right ? youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ
2014-12-01 17:11
3 replies
It was because fnatic won once that match and NiP wanted rematch because they did not type .ready before that match and fnatic beat them again. If you just look at the video they seems as f*ckers, but actually its not as true as it was. Ok they still acted as a childs, but slightly by right i would say.
2014-12-01 17:19
2 replies
it wasnt about illegal boost again on nuke made by fnatic ?
2014-12-01 17:26
1 reply
no :)
2014-12-01 18:42
Well, if those statements say something, it is that they aren't the smartest guys on earth. I mean, Hasn't it occured to anyone from fnatic that such a boost might be on the verge of legality and since they haven't had too good press recently maybe it's better to win in a "normal" way?
2014-12-01 17:26
devilwalk is a shit he would to anything to win,find out a (imbalanced)boost from where you can see 70% of the map then say (we are to busy with practice)c'monnnnn find a better excuse....YOU HAD 2 MONTHS to report this not abuse it when you know you can lose the map....fnatic lost the respect of the commnunity with that boost and flusha's (smoke god spraying) smoke vs fnatic is cs:go is like playing 1.6 with 16bits
2014-12-01 18:05
2 replies
Lol If NIP did this ud be under their scrodum licking their nutsack u wanna piece.
2014-12-02 03:21
1 reply
CRY!!!
2014-12-02 20:11
gg fnatic
2014-12-01 18:29
Anyone that has played Dota for a couple of years knows this is bullshit. Stop trying to make excuses for you and your teammates Pronax, we don't buy it. I used to be a big Flusha fan, but after reading his post on FB and yours, I'm starting to think you are a bunch of whiny little girls. The fans and the scene have been too harsh towards you? Probably, but just get over it, be men, and fight for the next event with all you have (and stop cheating if you guys really are...)
2014-12-01 18:59
Poor parallel with navi's dota 2 "bug". It was nothing new, everyone knew about the pudge fountain hook. They just whipped it out when nobody expected it.
2014-12-01 19:05
I actually think fnatic genuinely thought it was legit, but as for this: "the boost is not as game-breaking as the Dreamhack "experts" said" Don't bullshit. It's obviously game-breaking. Trying to claim it isn't is complete bullshit.
2014-12-01 19:08
4 replies
It got them 14 rounds in a row and getting 2+ kills without leaving their spawn
2014-12-01 20:55
it's only game-breaking once. Once you know its possible and how to counter it (you can snipe them with a scout/AWP from near T spawn without being seen) it is no longer game breaking. So now that it's widely known, there is actually no real need to patch it other than for the sake of making the map better. Everyone now knows this boost and how to counter it.... so how is it game breaking?
2014-12-01 20:59
2 replies
No real need to patch it? You can't counter that spot on the pistol round. In an already CT sided map the CT can now rotate to the correct bombsite every single time on every pistol round. Pistol rounds are crucial rounds for the T side because it may be one of the only rounds the T side can get. Even if everyone now knows how to counter it, it still requires the T side to buy scouts or awps. Even with a scout and awp it doesn't guarantee them a 100% ability to counter that spot. Forcing the T-side to stretch their money to be able to afford scouts/awps is still unfair. This spot needs to be patched and thankfully it most likely will be patched.
2014-12-01 21:57
you can't be serious. you have a miles better position, they can shoot you in the head through the wall if they're lucky, you basically have a clear shot. even disregarding anyone shooting, you can see half the fucking map.
2014-12-02 17:41
It's gonna end that Flush will leave Fnatic beacause everyone is acusing him of cheating, even though he isn't Then I this community will go after JW, then Olof then Krimz and so on. Or we could stop now and keep this Community toxic free. HAters please get a life and clib out of Fnatic's ass crack.
2014-12-01 19:14
Dear pronax! The difference between your situation and Navi dota2 team squad in the international 3 is that team tongfu knowing about combo chen + pudge, still give them opportunity to use that, and they're know, how it works, but LDLC team hadn't realised what are you doing and where is this boost. So, i guess it was not fair after all
2014-12-01 19:34
1 reply
+1
2014-12-02 10:39
"we had nothing to win by playing that match. It was a loose/loose situation for us, no mather what we did. And some of the players had no motivation left to play" ehm... $100k?
2014-12-01 21:50
3 replies
Do not think money is everything. Remenber they dothis for you and all the fans. Take away the supporters in a footballmatch(CSKA MOSCOW in CL for example) and there is noenjoyment left.
2014-12-02 00:23
1 reply
Yes, players play for fans and not for money. Thats why 1.6 is still alive...oh wait
2014-12-02 11:10
NIP lets players keep rewards.. most orgs dont.. learn ur facts.
2014-12-02 03:22
absolutley correct.
2014-12-02 00:25
good kaf
2014-12-02 01:56
agree with apached - 200%
2014-12-02 09:15
gogo fnatic! you are still number 1 keep smashing :]
2014-12-02 18:42
olofmeister boost nuff said - youtube.com/watch?v=oUxXhqQ3Wnc
2014-12-02 20:26
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2014-12-03 01:01
i still respect fnatic they are a great team that has shown capable of beating allmost all (if not all) pro teams out there.. that's just where hardwork gets you kids. and cheats! nah jk i dont think flusha cheated......... but idk
2014-12-23 00:32
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