Top 20 players of 2014: dupreeh (16)

Tgwri1s
January 5th, 2015 16:54

The 16th place on our Top 20 players of 2014 ranking by Xtrfy goes to Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen. He was dignitas' most valuable player throughout the year in which they made it to four semi-finals, including two at the majors. Furthermore, his performance at Gfinity 3 was one of the most memorable in 2014, while he also stood out as one of the best CT-side and pistol round players.

Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen is still one of the least experienced players at the very top of the scene, but that hasn't stopped him from ascending to big heights since the very start of CS:GO.

As we described last year, when he finished at the 18th place of our Top 20 players of 2013 ranking, he only started playing on a high level in 2012 and quickly rose to become one of the world's best fraggers.

After numerous lineup changes in 2013, dupreeh said at the start of 2014: "this time we have found the real lineup, and this one is not going to change unless something really unexpected occurs.", referring to the squad that took part at DH Winter.

However, something unexpected did occur at the very beginning as the team decided to remove Nicolaj "Nico" Jensen and bring René "cajunb" Borg to the roster.

At that time they were still going by the name über G33KZ after leaving Copenhagen Wolves, and it wasn't until mid-February that they finally found an organization to represent – dignitas.

A few days later, the new dignitas took part in DreamHack Stockholm Invitational #1 along with NiP, Titan and fnatic. It was not the start they were expecting, however, as they got sent back home immediately after 5-16 and 3-16 losses to fnatic and NiP, respectively.

dupreeh was actually the only one putting up some resistance in those losses, getting 0.73 kills per round and having a rating 36% above average for his team.

The first major of the year, EMS One Katowice, rolled around less than a month later and the Danes were looking like they are in much better shape. They eased past Reason and iBUYPOWER in the group stage, and then against HellRaisers in the quarter-final. But then NiP once again put a stop to their campaign (6-16, 5-16).


dupreeh played very well at the first major of 2014

dupreeh wasn't the star of any of the matches, but he actually contributed in by far the most rounds overall in his team (71.6%, also 3rd most in the tournament). That was the case in the NiP loss too, but it was still not a good performance for him with only 0.56 kills per round in the big series.

Next was a tournament in his home country, Copenhagen Games, where dignitas once again made it all the way to the semi-final only to see NiP knock them out – although not without a big fight this time (15-19, 11-16).

dupreeh was the team's second best player with a great 1.16 rating and even the team's best rating in round wins (1.21). However, the latter was partially the case due to his Man of the Match performance in the first playoff round against fm-eSports (50:31, 1.47 rating, 10 assists), while in the later rounds he took a back seat to his teammate Nicolai "device" Reedtz.

dupreeh's 1vs4 clutch against H2k at Cph Games

Nevertheless, dupreeh and device seemed to have formed a lethal duo by each scoring at least a kill or an assist in 100 of the team's 131 round wins (76%), which was later confirmed throughout the year as they kept combining well.

After their third loss to NiP in as many tournaments, the team removed cajunb and added a young rising star Philip "aizy" Aistrup due to the former's "attitude problems".

Their next LAN event was a distant three months away, as they decided to skip the upcoming DreamHack Summer due to exams.

In the meantime the new lineup looked very good online, finishing second in FACEIT Spring League after topping the regular season standings, and winning SCAN Invitational over NiP.

When the time came for the LAN debut at Gfinity 3 the Danes seemed to be on point, destroying their opposition in the group stage - namely Titan, Virtus.pro, mousesports and ESG.

dupreeh was playing amazingly well and was the best player of day one with a 1.45 rating, including a Man of the Match performance in their closest match against mousesports (35:14, 1.97 rating, POV).

dupreeh's POV vs. mousesports at Gfinity 3

He didn't quiet down in the quarter-final against NiP either, as dignitas continued their incredible play and for the first time defeated the Swedes on LAN (16-4, 16-11) after another superb performance by dupreeh (43:22, 1.43 rating, map 1 POV).

But then the team inexplicably broke down and lost a 1-0 lead against Virtus.pro in the semi-final, thus finishing in 3rd-4th place yet again.

dupreeh was the only one playing above average in his team in that series, as he concluded what was one of the most impressive individual performances of the entire year (1.31 rating).

Eleven days later it was time for ESL One Cologne, the second major of the year. dignitas had some trouble in the group stage this time as Cloud9 edged them out 16-14, but Titan were no match for the Danes who went through to the playoffs with a 16-1 win.

Next in the line were Richard "shox" Papillon's Epsilon who also turned out being an easy obstacle for dignitas (16-9, 16-8), largely thanks to great play by dupreeh who was top rated in both maps (50:28, 1.45 rating, at least one kill in 28 of 32 round wins, 1st map POV, 2nd map POV).

However, in the all-important semi-final against the new fnatic lineup he didn't perform at the needed level. It was a relatively close loss (11-16, 14-16), which made dupreeh's underperformance even more apparent, seeing as he only managed to score a kill in 21 out of 57 rounds (37%).

He still ended the tournament as the team's best fragger (0.81 KPR) and as the biggest difference maker in the rounds they won (a kill or assist in 81% of them).


For the first time in 2014 dignitas failed to make the playoffs at DH Stockholm #2

Then after eight months of top four finishes, dignitas failed to make it out of the group stage at their next event – DreamHack Stockholm Invitational #2. It was not due to a terrible performance as both of their losses came in overtime, but it was a worrying result.

dupreeh played well in their first two matches, especially in the 16-19 loss to fnatic where he had a 30:25 score (CT side POV), but he then underperformed in the deciding match against 3DMAX where he put up only 0.58 kills per round and contributed in only 56% of the rounds.

He continued where he left of at the FACEIT Season 2 Finals with a string of terrible performances in losses to fnatic and iBUYPOWER, having a miserable 0.37 kills per round in the first three maps.

Though he did manage to save some face with a Man of the Match performance against the North Americans in the fourth map, that match meant nothing as they were eliminated as soon as their opponents reached four rounds.


cajunb was brought back ahead of ESWC

As soon as they returned home from Italy, with ESWC only days away, dignitas decided it was time to add more firepower to the squad by bringing back cajunb.

The team looked solid at the start, topping their group ahead of none other than iBUYPOWER, while dupreeh was back in shape with two Man of the Match performances – against Japanese Cipangu.GO and more impressively against mousesports (28:10, 1.98 rating, POV).

However, when it came to another big clash with the Poles of Virtus.pro in the quarter-final, dupreeh was underwhelming and only managed to score team-low 0.48 kills per round, resulting in a 1-2 loss.

They went to Fragbite Masters Season 3 Finals a week later, but came back empty handed after a lower bracket final loss to fnatic (6-16, 13-16). dupreeh was this time the only one in his team playing above average in the series, partially thanks to his great play in the second map (25:20, 1.23 rating, 1st half POV).

Despite the lineup change, dignitas' play didn't seem to improve much since FACEIT Finals, so they went into the last major of the year - DreamHack Winter - as a question mark. Their group fortunately became easier when Titan were removed due to Hovik "KQLY" Tovmassian's VAC ban, so they strolled past PENTA and the new iBUYPOWER lineup to reach the playoffs for the fourth major in a row.


dupreeh & co. weren't happy with their DH Winter result

But then in the quarter-final they struggled again, this time falling victim to Natus Vincere (3-16, 13-16). dupreeh was actually solid in the series, again as the team's best by contributing in 67% of the rounds, but it was far from enough.

He finished the tournament with the team's second best 1.04 rating, and was the best in the rounds they won (1.07 rating, kill or assist in 81% of rounds), so it was a solid way to end the year at least on an individual basis.

After the event, however, dignitas decided it was time to change the lineup from the core so they removed the in-game leader Henrik "FeTiSh" Christensen and added Finn "karrigan" Andersen.

In their first outing with the new lineup only days after the announcement, the Danes managed to qualify for the first big event of 2015, MLG X-Games Aspen, by defeating Titan, Virtus.pro and LDLC.

Why is he the 16th best player of 2014?

Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen was dignitas' most valuable player throughout the year, especially at the three majors, and even at their bad events.

Although with no titles to boast with, he does have four notable semi-final finishes - at EMS One Katowice, Copenhagen Games, Gfinity 3 and ESL One Cologne – in all of which he contributed immensely. Additionally, he has 5th-8th placements at the last major, DH Winter, and at ESWC.

His best performance (1.31 rating at Gfinity 3) was one of the most impressive of the entire year, while he was also great at the majors where dignitas were almost unable to win rounds without his contribution (he had a kill or assist in 80% of the rounds they won).

Most notably he was one of the best players on the CT side throughout 2014 – perhaps even the best - having the 2nd highest rating (1.39), the highest KPR (0.94) and contributing in the most rounds with a kill, assist or by surviving (78.3%). He was also a force to be reckoned with in entry duels on the CT side, having won an incredible 70% of them – 3rd highest behind two AWPers.

And unsurprisingly he was the second most lethal player with the M4s (he used both M4A1 and M4A4 at times) with 0.30 kills per round.


dupreeh was perhaps the best CT-side player of 2014

Furthermore, dupreeh was the best player in pistol rounds with a 1.36 rating and scoring exactly 1 kill per pistol round.  

However, while those overall stats did improve his ranking slightly, on the other hand he was the worst T-side player among the top twenty (only a 0.84 rating), and similarly to his teammate device was more often than not underperforming in big matches (0.92 rating).

Therefore, together with having no MVP titles and considering the unimpressive performance streak at a few events, he was placed at the 16th spot.

In the end, perhaps it's interesting to note that his style doesn't revolve around having many huge rounds, but he gives his opponents the 2-kill punch more often than anyone else (he had only 6 rounds with 4+ kills, but the most with exactly 2 kills – 0.16 per round played).


What is your take on Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen's performance in 2014? Was it enough to earn a place in the Top 20? Should he have been higher?

Our Introduction article has all the info you need to know about the Top 20 players of 2014 ranking by Xtrfy, including an updated list.

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Denmark René 'cajunb' Borg
René 'cajunb' Borg
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
1118
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.13
Denmark Nicolaj 'Nico' Jensen
Nicolaj 'Nico' Jensen
Age:
26
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
399
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.61
APR:
0.12
Denmark Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Peter 'dupreeh' Rasmussen
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
1208
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.14
Denmark Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
1088
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.63
APR:
0.13
France Hovik 'KQLY' Tovmassian
Hovik 'KQLY' Tovmassian
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.10
Maps played:
247
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.12
France Richard 'shox' Papillon
Richard 'shox' Papillon
Age:
25
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.11
Maps played:
1251
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.66
APR:
0.13
Denmark Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
1214
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.13
Denmark Henrik 'FeTiSh' Christensen
Henrik 'FeTiSh' Christensen
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.86
Maps played:
239
KPR:
0.58
DPR:
0.67
APR:
0.17
Denmark Philip 'aizy' Aistrup
Philip 'aizy' Aistrup
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
964
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.68
APR:
0.14
Expected
2015-01-05 16:55
nice one, deserved :)
2015-01-05 16:57
You are abusing your position :/
2015-01-05 16:57
not to mention taking jobs away from hard-working swedes who sit on hltv pressing f5 way too much
2015-01-05 16:58
dey took er jerbs
2015-01-05 18:05
hahahaha
2015-01-06 16:54
You are abusing your position.
2015-01-05 16:58
not expected
2015-01-05 17:12
32nd Paragraph Typo :S " Rasmussen was thsi time the only one in his team playing above average in the series,"
2015-01-05 17:19
n1
2015-01-05 16:55
Since when is dupreh>defice?
2015-01-05 17:04
since he is more consistent
2015-01-05 17:17
lolwut? dupreeh and device choked together almost exclusively. it was cajunb that carried them to semis all the time(his first time) duprreh was good, device was better. period.
2015-01-05 18:17
Nah, Duphree andand Device are always consistent, specially duphree. cajunB and device is normally the best player, but duphree is almost always the 1-2-3 best.
2015-01-05 19:19
stick to your kebab
2015-01-05 19:20
+1
2015-01-06 18:47
+1
2015-01-05 18:25
Since he has better stats.
2015-01-06 13:46
n16
2015-01-05 17:51
#3
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel 
nice
2015-01-05 16:55
#4
Bulgaria Keepo 
waat so dupreeh is > device? :D tbh expected edward
2015-01-05 16:55
yes
2015-01-05 16:56
edward is top 30-40.
2015-01-05 16:58
ok xD
2015-01-05 16:59
even pyth>edward, lol edward was shittier than my actual shit
2015-01-05 16:59
thats pretty shit
2015-01-05 17:08
nice one
2015-01-05 17:09
kakoy ge ti uebashka)
2015-01-05 19:38
#102
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CIS Shoxie<3 
Keppo
2015-01-05 17:37
yes hes better
2015-01-05 17:04
he was tbh always maybe lately just device so you guys noticed him. but it was mostly dupreeh. ofc small differences but still
2015-01-05 18:07
#5
Sweden ruuvi 
nobo
2015-01-05 16:55
n1
2015-01-05 16:55
#7
Peru Leko 
n2
2015-01-05 16:55
#8
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Spain akproxx 
This list is a Kappa
2015-01-05 16:55
#48
Spain Ayrr 
Show us your list, with objective points ofc.
2015-01-05 17:03
you think dupreeh was better than NBK throughout the year? i really dont think so
2015-01-05 18:57
Yes he was. This list isn't just made up by someone. It is based on tons of statistics.
2015-01-05 19:35
TONS OF STATISTICS
2015-01-05 20:39
TOOOOONSSSS OOOOFFFF STAAATIIIIISTTIIIIIICSSSSSSSSSS
2015-01-06 06:18
t o s.
2015-01-06 12:46
Yes.
2015-01-05 19:48
nbk is overrated as fuck
2015-01-05 20:21
+1
2015-01-05 20:50
+2
2015-01-05 22:56
+3
2015-01-06 01:52
+4
2015-01-06 06:18
#207
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
xyp9x/dupreeh/device/cajunb all day all night throw the year individually > nbk stop kidding me
2015-01-05 21:19
+1
2015-01-08 07:48
gz! expected
2015-01-05 16:55
#10
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Sweden mrarrogant 
cheater
2015-01-05 16:55
gr8 b8 m8
2015-01-05 16:55
This ranking is big mistake
2015-01-05 16:55
#27
Other xyb- 
agree
2015-01-05 16:57
Disagree
2015-01-05 17:18
agree
2015-01-06 06:19
Agreeing with my disagreement or agreeing to xyb-'s agreement?
2015-01-06 14:29
This ranking is based on a whole array of stats. pbs.twimg.com/media/B6MV-jsCEAEBSuT.png:.. Just because you disagree with it doesn't make it wrong.
2015-01-05 19:45
#244
JUGi | 
Denmark Pops_OG 
<3 device ... rekt
2015-01-06 06:31
sick
2015-01-05 16:56
n1
2015-01-05 16:56
yey
2015-01-05 16:56
these top 20 are super bias to hltv admin fanboys
2015-01-05 16:56
#19
suNny | 
Finland m1skaa 
u wot m8
2015-01-05 16:56
Tgwri1s, fix "header" :)
2015-01-05 16:56
n1
2015-01-05 16:57
predictable
2015-01-05 16:57
Allu still inc
2015-01-05 16:57
b-b-b-but device is better than dupreeh :(
2015-01-05 16:58
cant wait for NiP players. <3
2015-01-05 16:58
not expected
2015-01-05 16:59
#38
Spain Ayrr 
This rank it's ok.
2015-01-05 17:00
for now list going correct, gj hltv keep up!
2015-01-05 17:00
n1
2015-01-05 17:01
#42
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Serbia firegon 
A week ago I was 100% sure he would be 19th or 20th. I'm still trying to figure out why is he over swag, with those performances but ... yeah I guess its the first guy being in 16-20 that I personally agree with. That CT domination ... yet his overall stats are pretty mediocre for top20 player.
2015-01-05 17:01
he got better placements with his team than swag that's why. swag never played in a major semi match ;)
2015-01-05 17:38
#110
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Serbia firegon 
But ... its supposed to be individual list ... :/ Its such a bullshit imho. IF I see friberg on place 10 or something like that I'm literally going to go out and start riots on the street xD The same thing, if allu wouldn't be on the list Now a little bit more seriously: Yeah I KNOW this is why dupreeh is higher on that list, but why on earth does it matter? Its a list of INDIVIDUALS, INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCES, there should be absolutely no influence of team placings. As I wrote before swag always carried the team in tough games, has better stats, made bigger INFLUENCE, yet dupreeh is higher ...
2015-01-05 17:44
It's indeed an individual ranking, but what you help your team achieve is important, since it reveals how important you are to your team. You could be the best player in the world stats wise, if your team goes out in group-stage regularly, it doesn't mean much. Both Swag and Dupreeh were their team's most valuable player stats wise, but only Dupreeh managed to pull enough weight to push his team in the semis. He also did it consistently. "As I wrote before swag always carried the team in tough games, has better stats, made bigger INFLUENCE, yet dupreeh is higher ..." Do you have stats supporting your claims to share with us?
2015-01-05 18:36
#160
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Serbia firegon 
Oh yeah I do have. These are the ratings/stats of not only the whole tournaments of the players (you can find those in the threads about both players), but also the hltv stats and ratings of the MOST IMPORTANT GAMES of the tournaments for both teams. This is where swag shows his supremacy. What games do I mean? I mean games during LAN events with top teams. We all know that dupreeh can just obliterate lower teams, but just like device(actually just like the whole team) he used to choke in big games ( even though less than device ). Surprisingly, swag doesn't crush the lower teams that often. But his class reveals itself during big games, where he has pretty much ALWAYS above 1 rating, or to be more precise he is FAR above any other player in his team. I mean, that's why I bring swags example. Its not that he got this 1.12 rating only by playing US teams, but he actually carried the team in big games. Even if he was kind of alone. Its just like allu for mousesports. And one more point to make: Why do I feel that swag>dupreeh by far this year? Again look at the stats. Look when dignitas was able to beat top teams. It wasn't when dupreeh was completely on fire, it was all about device. Device could either carry his team and make insane frags, supported by solid play of dupreeh, or sit on the bottom. Dupreeh alone, didn't have ANY power to carry dignitas. Swag had games when he could carry his team alone.
2015-01-05 19:03
All the stats talked about below are taken from LAN matches, in 2014, from all international events the players attended. Since you gave your definition of "big games", I'll use the term with that definition in this post. "Surprisingly, swag doesn't crush the lower teams that often. But his class reveals itself during big games," Out of the 14 maps played against lesser teams, Swag was above 1.00 8 times, and below 1.00 6 times. Which makes a performance rate of 57%. Out of the 51 maps played against top teams he was above 1.00 30 times and below 1.00 21 times, which makes a performance rate of 59%. Seems pretty even to me, he plays about the same, whether against top teams or against lesser teams. "where he has pretty much ALWAYS above 1 rating," It's far from "pretty much always", as detailed above. "or to be more precise he is FAR above any other player in his team." Out of the 51 maps played against top teams, he was 9 times far above his teammates, which means it happens around 17,6% of the time. This stat can vary a bit depending on what you consider "FAR above", but it'll stay around 15-20% regardless. So, yeah, he's not as often far above the rest of his teammates as you make him out to be. To summarize, I think you really appreciate Swag as a player, we can feel it in the way you write about him, but if you're going to deal with stats, you need to be less biased than that. It's ok to like a player, but trust me when I tell you that Tgwri1s, the guy who makes stats for HLTV, makes a lot more in-depth analysis than I just did, so if he considers Swag having less stats to show for than Dupreeh has, I would trust him. -------- With that out of the way, let's focus on Dupreeh. "We all know that dupreeh can just obliterate lower teams, but just like device(actually just like the whole team) he used to choke in big games ( even though less than device )." Really? Let's see: Out of the 40 maps played against top teams, he played above 1.00 in 22 (55%), and below 1.00 in 18 (45%). That's not really choking in big games to me. And as you said it yourself, the whole choke thing was obviously a team problem, not an individual one. "Again look at the stats. Look when dignitas was able to beat top teams. It wasn't when dupreeh was completely on fire, it was all about device." Let's see about that: Out of the 9 LAN tournaments they played in 2014, device has a 1.04 average rating, dupreeh has 1.05, so Dignitas relied pretty much on both of them equally, with a slight advantage for Dupreeh. Concerning their impact on wins against top teams on LAN in 2014: DHW 16-7 vs iBUYPOWER: device 1.92 dupreeh 1.05 ESWC 16-14 vs iBUYPOWER: device 1.33 dupreeh 1.10 16-5 vs mousesports: device 1.43 dupreeh 1.98 FACEIT finals 16-13 vs iBUYPOWER: device 0.87 dupreeh 1.27 DH Stockholm #2 16-14 vs CPHWolves: device 1.55 dupreeh 1.41 Cologne 2-0 vs Epsilon: device 1.38 dupreeh 1.45 16-1 vs Titan: device 1.75 dupreeh 1.57 Gfinity 3 2-0 vs NiP: device 1.31 dupreeh 1.45 16-7 vs VP: device 1.39 dupreeh 0.96 16-11 vs mousesports: device 1.30 dupreeh 1.97 16-7 vs Titan: device 1.04 dupreeh 1.41 16-7 vs ESG!: device 1.17 dupreeh 1.39 CPH Games 2-0 vs fnatic: device 1.17 dupreeh 1.00 Katowice 2-0 vs HellRaisers: device 1.52 dupreeh 1.10 16-8 vs iBUYPOWER: device 0.80 dupreeh 1.27 Over all these specific wins, device has an average rating of 1.33, dupreeh has 1.36. The claim regarding device being more important than dupreeh in their wins against top teams, on LAN, in 2014, is not supported by the stats we have at our disposal. And again, Tgwri1s did a lot more detailed analysis than this, so if there's a 4 place gap between device and dupreeh according to him, I completely trust him on it. "Device could either carry his team and make insane frags, supported by solid play of dupreeh, or sit on the bottom. Dupreeh alone, didn't have ANY power to carry dignitas." Yes he did, he actually had more than enough, as explained above. "Swag had games when he could carry his team alone." Yes, and so had Dupreeh, you can find some of these here: hltv.org/?pageid=188&matchid=18385&gamei.. hltv.org/?pageid=188&matchid=18329&gamei.. hltv.org/?pageid=188&matchid=17367&gamei.. hltv.org/?pageid=188&matchid=17343&gamei.. Even if Swag had more "heavy lonely carry" games than Dupreeh (and it's not sure he did), it's far from the only factor that has to be taken into consideration. A ranking is not only made based on how often a player carry his team by himself. If you made it this far, congratz, because my post was getting incredibly long :/, sorry about that. Have a good day.
2015-01-06 02:15
#247
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Serbia firegon 
Ok even though I feel a little bit crashed, I still want to make some BUTs to your comment :D First of all: 14 games against lesser teams? 14? Obviously when I meant BIG games I used to call them the ones on LAN events with best opponents. But when talking about lesser teams I actually meant every game, not only the LAN ones ( such approach seems pretty fair to me ) To be honest, I have absolutely no idea how does it change his rating. Obviously the same applies to dupreeh. And even then, we have to consider both ibp and dig as a top team, who won big percentage of those games, hence the midpoint 1.0 is just inaccurate. Secondly: 30/51 times above 1.0 with top opponents - Fair enough, but how many times did they win, compared to dignitas? This is the approach I was talking about. If your team wins 16:0 or whatever convincing win that was and you have 1.0 rating - you were terrible/bad/decent. If your team loses and you have 1.0 - well the situation is different. I mean, its not that I'm saying that dupreeh only had above 1.0 when dig won 16:0, but I think you got my point. Third one is very small one: Mousesports is a top team? eee ... ekhm ... yyyy? I mean ... maybe? Now not to look like an idiot: I must say, you convinced me. It's impossible to deny SUCH stats xD Also I'm very glad that you actually had a will to do such thing, because tbh - I didn't :D One last thing Can you possibly find the number of BIG GAMES that iBP and dignitas won out of the 51 and 40. And how much do the stats change when you consider a midpoint 0.9 not 1.0 . It just for the personal knowledge, not for the sake of discussion. You just made me really interested about those stats, its not that I want to argue anymore. As I said, you clearly won. But even then, I still feel like the approach you took was favouring the better TEAM overall. Thank you for your reply, hopefully you will be able to provide me such stats again. ( I mean, if you have access to some data base xD If you don't just skip it and dont bother :D ) edit If ibp won more big games than dig - i'm just gonna shut up for a week or two xD
2015-01-06 09:26
"14 games against lesser teams? 14? Obviously when I meant BIG games I used to call them the ones on LAN events with best opponents. But when talking about lesser teams I actually meant every game, not only the LAN ones ( such approach seems pretty fair to me )" Yes, it's not a lot, but given that I took only LAN games, it's not surprising, lesser teams are quickly disposed of during LAN events, which means they play less games, which means a top team is more likely to meet top teams than lesser teams overall. However, I personally think that it has to be LAN games only which are analyzed, regardless if it's lesser teams or top teams. That's because it has to be consistent, since we don't include online games from top teams match-ups, there's no reason to include online games for lesser team vs top team match-ups. Also, online games are more random regarding the performance of a team, player, or the accuracy of the result. Finally, including online games make a lot more data to analyze, and I must admit I really don't have enough time on my hands to do that xD. "And even then, we have to consider both ibp and dig as a top team, who won big percentage of those games, hence the midpoint 1.0 is just inaccurate." Well, I don't get your point there. A rating of 1.00 is always the mid-point, regardless of the teams playing or the result of the match. Even if your team gets trashed badly, it's not because you get a rating of 1.00 that you can be considered doing a good job. You're just being decent. At the same time, if your team crushes your opponents, having a 1.00 rating doesn't make you bad, it only means that you did your job. The only thing that can somehow put this mid-point in perspective is the fact that other teammates have a the same kind of rating (i.e it's easier to score a 1.30+ rating if you have another teammate on fire as well). But I admit that it's a tricky thing to analyze. How much of a difference with his teammates do you need to consider? 0.20 ? 0.30? What about the number of teammates having a similar performance? What happens if three players carry? What happens if it's two? What happens if everyone has a similar rating? In my opinion, it's up to debate, that's why I prefer to consider the 1.00 rating as the official mid-point, the rest can be interpreted by people as they see fit. "30/51 times above 1.0 with top opponents - Fair enough, but how many times did they win, compared to dignitas? This is the approach I was talking about. If your team wins 16:0 or whatever convincing win that was and you have 1.0 rating - you were terrible/bad/decent. If your team loses and you have 1.0 - well the situation is different. I mean, its not that I'm saying that dupreeh only had above 1.0 when dig won 16:0, but I think you got my point." So, I made some other stats to correlate map wins with the rating of the player. Here they are: Swag played won lost draw maps 51 25 25 1 maps with 1.00+ 30 18 11 1 maps with 0.99- 21 7 14 0 maps with 1.25+ 16 13 3 0 maps with 0.85- 12 1 11 0 Win % 49.02% Win % with 1.00+ 60.00% Win % with 1.25+ 81.25% Loss % with 0.99- 66.67% Loss % with 0.85- 91.67% % of 1.00+ maps 58.82% % of 1.25+ maps 31.37% Dupreeh played won lost draw maps 40 21 19 0 maps with 1.00+ 22 18 4 0 maps with 0.99- 18 3 15 0 maps with 1.25+ 13 13 0 0 maps with 0.85- 14 1 13 0 Win % 52.50% Win % with 1.00+ 81.82% Win % with 1.25+ 100.00% Loss % with 0.99- 83.33% Loss % with 0.85- 92.86% % of 1.00+ maps 55.00% % of 1.25+ maps 32.50% As you can see, Dupreeh and Swag were both very important for their teams, and Dupreeh was even more so, whether it was regarding 1.00+ games or 1.25+ games (especially on 1.25+, I mean 100% of games won when he's on fire, jeez). He had also more impact than Swag on their loss when he was in bad shape, which also suggests that he was slightly more crucial to the team than Swag was. Swag had a slightly higher 1.00+ maps percentage, but slightly lower 1.25+ maps percentage, so it evens out. "Mousesports is a top team? eee ... ekhm ... yyyy? I mean ... maybe?" Well, they were included in at least 1 of the 3 world rankings made by HLTV for 2014, the one from December. It's true that they were out of the ranking officially, but that's mainly due to the fact that it was a top10 in December, instead of the usual top12, otherwise they surely would have made it in. I personally think that they should be considered a top team in 2014, but it's up to debate. Anyway, if you insist I could maybe make other stats not including mousesports, but probably not right now ^^. "Now not to look like an idiot: I must say, you convinced me. It's impossible to deny SUCH stats xD Also I'm very glad that you actually had a will to do such thing, because tbh - I didn't :D" No problem, I'm kind of lazy myself, but once I dig into something, I have some troubles stopping ^^. "Can you possibly find the number of BIG GAMES that iBP and dignitas won out of the 51 and 40." Dignitas won 21, lost 19. iBP/compLexity won 25, lost 25, drew 1. That's maps though, not matches. Since it's individual stats we're concerned about, I try to analyze stats by map, not by match, as a player's form can vary a lot from one map to another. But if you insist, I could make the same analysis based on matches. But again, maybe not right now ^^. If you want only iBP when Swag was in the team, I could look it up. "And how much do the stats change when you consider a midpoint 0.9 not 1.0 . It just for the personal knowledge, not for the sake of discussion." I don't know, I'd need to crunch everything again, I'm terrible at using spreadsheets effectively xD. But I doubt 0.9 could be considered an accurate mid-point. "You just made me really interested about those stats, its not that I want to argue anymore. As I said, you clearly won." I didn't win anything, I just pointed out some stats which I thought were contradicting some of your points, I'm glad that you found them interesting. "But even then, I still feel like the approach you took was favouring the better TEAM overall." I don't think so, but to be truly sure about that we would need to analyze how ALL players in the team performed compared to Swag and Dupreeh, for every map. That's the kind of things HLTV did for sure however, and that would take me too much time honestly. "Thank you for your reply, hopefully you will be able to provide me such stats again. ( I mean, if you have access to some data base xD If you don't just skip it and dont bother :D )" I use the HLTV stats + some spreadsheets. It's not very user friendly, but I manage to find some useful data from time to time.
2015-01-06 21:25
#251
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Serbia firegon 
Ok I just made two tables of JUST THE BIG GAMES ( I can send it, if you don't believe ) Seems like we have different data I took everything from hltv.org As I said those are the LAN games (tournaments on pages) against THE BEST OPPONENTS, that is:IBP, DIGNITAS ( :D ), TITAN, NIP , C9/COMPLEXITY , LDLC, Na'Vi, VP, FNATIC and old LGB Dignitas had 21 such games They won 8(38%) Dupreeh had average rating of 1.0 (0.997619...) He had rating over 1.0 in 10/21 games (47,6%) and once rating 1.0 iBP/complexity had 23 such games They won 8(34,7%) Swag had average rating of 1.07 (1.07391) He had rating over 1.0 in 13/23 games (56,5%) and once rating 1.0 Soo now I am 100% sure SWAGS SUPREMACY IS VISIBLE IN THE BIGGEST GAMES. End of story.
2015-01-06 12:18
#271
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Serbia firegon 
btw the last sentence is ironic xD ok last couple of sentences
2015-01-06 22:24
Oh, ok then ^^.
2015-01-06 23:12
"As I said those are the LAN games (tournaments on pages) against THE BEST OPPONENTS, that is:IBP, DIGNITAS ( :D ), TITAN, NIP , C9/COMPLEXITY , LDLC, Na'Vi, VP, FNATIC and old LGB" That's the top10 teams (not even all of them, where are HellRaisers?). We were talking about top teams, not the top10. Also, you stats are incomplete, Dignitas had 32 maps against these teams, Swag with iBP/coL had 45 maps against these teams. On LAN, in 2014 of course. You must be missing some events. Anyway, here are the new stats with only the teams you mentioned: Dupreeh played won lost draw maps 32 13 19 0 maps with 1.00+ 14 10 4 0 maps with 0,99- 18 3 15 0 maps with 1.25+ 7 7 0 0 maps with 0.85- 14 1 13 0 Win % 40,63% Win % with 1.00+ 71,43% Win % with 1.25+ 100,00% Loss % with 0,99- 83,33% Loss % with 0,85- 92,86% % of 1.00+ maps 43,75% % of 1.25+ maps 21,88% Swag played won lost draw maps 45 17 27 1 maps with 1.00+ 25 13 11 1 maps with 0,99- 20 4 16 0 maps with 1.25+ 13 10 3 0 maps with 0.85- 11 1 10 0 Win % 37,78% Win % with 1.00+ 52,00% Win % with 1.25+ 76,92% Loss % with 0,99- 80,00% Loss % with 0,85- 90,91% % of 1.00+ maps 55,56% % of 1.25+ maps 28,89% You can still see that Dupreeh was more important to his team than Swag over-all. Swag did better than Dupreeh against your list of teams, with a better percentage of good maps. However, I'd like to point out that you're leaving out teams which were also considered top teams, such as HellRaisers, Epsilon, Clan-Mystik, mousesports, etc... "Soo now I am 100% sure SWAGS SUPREMACY IS VISIBLE IN THE BIGGEST GAMES. End of story." In your definition of a biggest game, Swag had probably a better performance yes. It's far from being a supremacy though, especially since his performance had not as much impact as Dupreeh's. It's not very useful to play better if your grip on the game is not strong enough to win the game. And to know if he's really doing better in your definition of "biggest games", then you would need to take all LAN maps WITHOUT your list of teams, and see if he's performing worse/better/equally versus these teams.
2015-01-06 23:07
Allu top14, confirmed already.
2015-01-05 21:10
aimlocker
2015-01-05 17:01
pistol master
2015-01-05 17:02
#49
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Sweden mrarrogant 
makes me worried how few virtus.pro players will be in this list. surely should be byali, snax and pasha ?
2015-01-05 17:03
Yeah, I think byali will be 10-15, pasha and snax 5-10.
2015-01-05 17:05
#54
Spain Ayrr 
snax 3-5 easy.
2015-01-05 17:06
#60
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Sweden mrarrogant 
that sounds reasonable
2015-01-05 17:07
#58
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Portugal maguire 
they will be higher
2015-01-05 17:07
#63
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Sweden mrarrogant 
ye i guess, but i see alot of people who says pasha should be kicked lol. looking at his event history he's had a really good year
2015-01-05 17:08
#72
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Portugal maguire 
i don't know how much will his family responsibilities affect him, but as long as he can keep his 2014 level, there's no reason to kick him
2015-01-05 17:15
byali 13-15 Pasha 10-13 Snax 8-12
2015-01-05 19:55
its joke?
2015-01-05 17:05
#55
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Japan cabronnn 
dupreeh <3
2015-01-05 17:06
dupreeh > device all day
2015-01-05 17:06
Well deserved , dignitas best rifler.
2015-01-05 17:07
Poor Dignitas Guys. Always so good, but never #1 :-(
2015-01-05 17:08
#103
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Europe _jUNGLE 
just like mtw, Danes can't play for the win
2015-01-05 17:38
That's not correct. mTw won most of the majors in 2008.
2015-01-06 12:17
#252
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Europe _jUNGLE 
True, true...! whimp + MJe >> minet + trace
2015-01-06 12:37
Probably the French-Swedish show from now on, with few exceptions like GuardiaN (maybe Edward too?)
2015-01-05 17:09
#68
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Sweden mrarrogant 
lurppis is one of the judges(i think?) so allu will probably be in the list, i expect 3 poles aswell
2015-01-05 17:13
lol use brain, Allu should have made top 20 imo but not top 15, he hasn't been posted by now so he won't be. Allu > device/kioshima/dupreeh/NBK ? Come on.
2015-01-05 17:23
#89
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Sweden mrarrogant 
its easier to shine in a bad team. if he'd be in the top 20 he should already been announced imo like you said he has not played in any major tournament
2015-01-05 17:28
then why do you say allu will probably be in the list? Just because lurppis is fin doesn't mean he's allu fanboy..
2015-01-05 17:28
#96
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Sweden mrarrogant 
i'm afraid he'll be biased
2015-01-05 17:29
poland, sweden, france and GuardiaN I guess
2015-01-05 19:56
dupreeh <3 amazing player,absolutely deserved
2015-01-05 17:09
he deserved! gj!!
2015-01-05 17:12
gj bruh
2015-01-05 17:14
next allu
2015-01-05 17:15
#75
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Brazil woody77 
Well , the last 15: GTR , forest , edward , KennyS , JW , allu , s1mple , shox , Guardian , fxyO , pasha , flusha , olofm , Hiko , chrisJ or Troubley
2015-01-05 17:17
where are the guys from Virtus.Pro ?
2015-01-05 17:20
and kabum
2015-01-05 17:21
wat lmao
2015-01-06 01:22
XD
2015-01-06 10:43
chrisj or troubley top 15 lmao
2015-01-05 17:23
troubley srsly?
2015-01-05 17:26
#93
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Kuwait NewDayNewFlag 
hahaha
2015-01-05 17:28
yeah he was streaming yesterday and hes really good
2015-01-05 20:45
allu , s1mple fxyO chrisJ or Troubley???? u must be high on drugs bro
2015-01-05 17:40
what about krims? happy? snax? byali? edward? even nothing and shroud
2015-01-05 17:41
#117
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
there is 0% for shrood to be on list
2015-01-05 17:51
probably the most retarded post i have read last month.great achievment if we consider that we are on hltv.org. cg my friend
2015-01-05 17:42
lmfao. worst list i've seen yet anywhere.
2015-01-05 17:45
exactly, except for allu, chrisJ, simple, Troubly and fxyO LOL
2015-01-05 18:05
allu, Hiko, ChrisJ, Fxy0 and Troubley > friberg Maybe in a 5v1
2015-01-05 18:23
imho friberg is top 5 easy
2015-01-05 20:46
fxy0, allu, s1mple, chrisJ and Troubley can not be in the top 20 list due to not attending at least 2 majors this year.
2015-01-06 00:56
forgetting about snax and friberg?
2015-01-06 04:27
sure Troubley > KrimZ, NBK, Happy. OnlineJ > Snax, Neo, Pasha Edward > Pronax, apEx, friberg.
2015-01-06 05:55
No happy ? You're fucking high
2015-01-06 06:24
...
2015-01-05 17:18
hahahahahahaha
2015-01-05 17:23
the best
2015-01-05 17:24
n1
2015-01-05 17:26
15: Olofm or cajunb
2015-01-05 17:26
#91
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Kuwait NewDayNewFlag 
trollest year ranking ever inc?
2015-01-05 17:28
wtf ahahha Dupreeh before nbk and kioshima GOOD GJ HTLV
2015-01-05 17:28
#99
Australia dauq 
Well done dupreeh. 16th spot is negotiable but regardless, well done dupreeh :) memes
2015-01-05 17:32
KQLY TOP 1
2015-01-05 17:37
INB4 Fiffy #1
2015-01-05 17:37
surprising
2015-01-05 17:43
GTR FOREST FRIBERG SNAX BYALI PASHA KENNYS JW FLUSHA KRIMZ OLOFM SHOX HAPPY GUARDIAN EDWARD no order, thank me later
2015-01-05 17:44
spot on, these will be the 15 listed, not even up for debate. Also I will be severely disappointed if flusha's thread isnt filled with all his dodgy clips, the cheating scumbag.
2015-01-05 17:49
#120
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
his highlight clip will just be aimlock montage ;]
2015-01-05 17:52
haha
2015-01-05 18:01
this, except im not so sure about edward and guardian, maybe
2015-01-05 18:06
true maybe no Edward. Can't see GuardiaN not being top 20 tbh
2015-01-05 18:30
Don't agree with Edward but who else? Maybe Xizt
2015-01-05 19:58
fits in as 17 were at Gfinity - Happy, GuardiaN and Edward weren't. I think 2 of Hiko/Edward/Happy will be in it. If GuardiaN isn't in top 20 then the list is flawed.
2015-01-06 01:02
Byali and neo > guardian and edward
2015-01-06 04:30
We are probably going to see maikelele top 10 -.-
2015-01-05 17:47
Can confirm, he's also a talented Ed Sheeran tribute artist.
2015-01-05 17:48
People are so funny here if they think that hltv is wrong with stats. Rofl.. two ace = top 5 player of the year They have own base with all stuff so please stfu and enjoy.
2015-01-05 17:52
Good player, deserved.
2015-01-05 18:16
#134
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Italy ciliatus 
best
2015-01-05 18:20
Next up: Edward
2015-01-05 18:25
gj deserved
2015-01-05 18:26
Deupreeeeeeeh, my boy, my baby boy!
2015-01-05 18:31
One of the nicest guys. gratz ;)
2015-01-05 18:32
Hhahahaha omg..
2015-01-05 18:38
TOP 15 in no particular order. GeT_RiGhT f0rest Friberg KennyS shox pasha flusha olofm jw snax byali krimz Happy Edward GuardiaN
2015-01-05 18:50
^ This.
2015-01-05 18:52
hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=707508#r737.. this is a list of players that will be in top20 FOR SURE but not in this order actually so.. there won't be Edward
2015-01-05 18:54
You might be right, and I forgot apEX! -Edward +apEX gg list spot on
2015-01-05 18:58
+1 actually, forgot about him as well
2015-01-05 19:02
Yep, almost positive apEX will be 15
2015-01-05 23:01
Edward is top 30-40. Stop overrating him.
2015-01-05 19:20
Happy?
2015-01-06 15:30
yeah, what about him?
2015-01-06 16:58
LOL sorry only saw happy now xDD Happy on top5 this year!
2015-01-06 20:52
haha, yeah he will surely be top 5 this year
2015-01-06 21:37
very deserved
2015-01-05 18:54
in my opinion device > dupreeh
2015-01-05 18:55
#155
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Latvia Andrievs 
GJ keep them coming.
2015-01-05 18:58
Good list so far.
2015-01-05 19:00
sorry, but device > dupreeh.
2015-01-05 19:10
Then explain why Device chockes so fucking hard at playoffs when Dupreeh is consistent and always playing up to a good level against better teams
2015-01-05 19:34
#162
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Europe Pl4yed 
well then I'm guessing next will be: 1. GeT_RiGhT 2. Pasha 3. Happy 4. f0rest 5. Snax 6. Krimz 7. Flusha 8. GuardiaN 9. Shox 10.JW 11.kennyS 12.Byali 13.friberg 14.Olofmeister 15.apEX not very sure about apex though...
2015-01-05 19:12
11.kennyS
2015-01-05 19:13
#164
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Europe Pl4yed 
hard to place him higher considering he didn't do anything close to being substantial xD
2015-01-05 19:17
he will be 1..
2015-01-05 19:18
#167
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Europe Pl4yed 
gave me a good laugh, thanks
2015-01-05 19:19
Bro 11 is too harsh ... You might want to rewatch some shit like ESEC, the guy is basically the best player since few months and has insane stats. He won't be 1 but gonna be top 5 easy, there's no other way i guess Also pasha 2 "gave me a good laugh, thanks"
2015-01-05 19:37
#180
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Europe Pl4yed 
this isn't purely a performance based list, you can't be a best player of the year without winning anything come on and who else over Pasha then? he's not the best player out there for sure, but he had a solid year being the most valuable player for VP, who were second highest as far as winnings go. it's not even close as being the same as placing kennyS first for 2014 -_-
2015-01-05 19:46
Pasha might be 5 or something, he has a good year, very solid on each tournaments but i guess forest, GTR, JW might be higher than him, maybe Snax too
2015-01-05 19:47
#187
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Europe Pl4yed 
JW is only the third best player on his team on lans, so unless you think fnatic should get 3 players in the top5, it's impossible
2015-01-05 19:52
pasna as 2nd? can't tell if retarded or just retarded
2015-01-05 20:36
#209
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Europe Pl4yed 
guys like this still think this is about the individual performance and don't understand why kennyS won't be top5 Pasha being 2-5 is 100 percent, I won't say you're retarded but you are ignorant and foolish :P this is because his top rating for VP on all their biggest wins if you didn't get that
2015-01-05 21:29
top 5 is, no order : Kennys Krimz Snax flusha shox
2015-01-06 06:32
#170
NEO | 
Europe Skrrrt 
WTF?
2015-01-05 19:21
xizt top4 nooowwaaaiii!
2015-01-05 19:27
Should've been higher, mad frenchies are crying
2015-01-05 19:43
Where is coloN???
2015-01-05 20:15
Cant wait to see my name when the list reaches NUMERO UNO!
2015-01-05 20:15
top1 pistol round rating
2015-01-05 20:29
gj
2015-01-05 20:56
only 16?
2015-01-05 21:17
i think this gonna be next top15: 1. kennyS 2. Get_Right 3. flusha 4. JW 5. f0rest 6. KRiMZ 7. Happy 8. friberg 9. Snax 10.shox 11.Olofmeister 12.pasha 13.apex 14.GuardiaN 15.Hiko
2015-01-05 21:25
If you win I give you a kiss
2015-01-05 21:42
kennys top 1 guardian top 14 LOL
2015-01-05 22:22
Hiko 15? Why?
2015-01-05 22:19
shox 10th? I mean yea he played for "weak" Epsilon, but still was going ham, being still top player in Titan and now almost every game top in LDLC he should be way higher and KRiMZ lower... but those two pricks (4th and 3rd) yea, that's gonna be sh*t
2015-01-06 03:04
gj :)
2015-01-05 22:00
my favourite player.
2015-01-05 22:11
gl dupreeh
2015-01-05 22:14
yeah buddeh! You will always be 12 to me though :(
2015-01-05 22:51
device - 16 dupreeh - 20
2015-01-05 23:58
Just waiting for Fnatic and NiP to ruin this top 20 players thing... JW(anker) and flusha too
2015-01-06 02:59
good stuff
2015-01-06 03:00
not bad
2015-01-06 03:18
nice!
2015-01-06 03:41
This list has dupreh ahead of guys like device, kioshima and NBK WHAT A JOKE
2015-01-06 05:55
#246
JUGi | 
Denmark Pops_OG 
dupreeh has been dignitas best players since ever, he's better than device, because he's more consistent
2015-01-06 06:35
Best pistol player? :D Nice!
2015-01-06 06:28
In my humble oppinion Happy has been the best player late 2014.
2015-01-06 13:45
Anyone know what resolution dupee play on?
2015-01-06 13:59
Always said dupreeh> device, people here kept disagreeing..
2015-01-06 14:30
woo!
2015-01-06 17:03
lol
2015-01-08 08:16
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