fragbite adds de_train to Masters pool

fragbite has announced that de_train will replace de_nuke in the map pool for the upcoming Masters season.

The announcement comes just days after Valve revealed that de_train would replace de_nuke in the Active Duty map-pool after the next operation.

fragbite has now become the latest tournament organiser to embrace this change, which will come into effect in the new Masters season already - scheduled to start on April 14 with the first of two qualifiers.

de_train underwent a major overhaul in December, almost six months after it disappeared from the Active Duty pool and was instead placed in the Reserve Map pool.

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#2
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Finland coswell
nice
2015-03-23 20:29
10 replies
I'm not hyped
2015-03-24 07:10
8 replies
#208
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Finland coswell
Im not hyped either, but i think a bit of change is always good. Nuke is awesome, but so damn CT sided that its a very bad map for a Major tournament with the possibility to play BO1's. I am 100% sure that they will be changing some things on the "new" train soon. In my eyes, it cannot be a competitive map in its current condition. In Major tournaments, the higher seeded team could also use Nuke as an advatage, because of the possibility to choose sides. #tuscan #wearewaiting
2015-03-24 08:08
7 replies
I may be dumb as hell, as I don't play CS:GO, so please help me... aren't the "newly added maps" like overpass or cbblestone heavy CT-sided too? The main difference is that de_nuke has been here for ages, the probability of adaptation and side-changes are higher... I cleary remember at one point of CS 1.6 that de_nuke changed from CT-sided to T-sided among the top teams... I think that train should be added, yes! But the cutted map should be cbblestone. But I guess they are going by that stats, nuke isn't played at high level because of what I've just said, and teams prefer to play "less known maps" like cbblestone, because they think they still can bring something new to it.
2015-03-24 08:56
6 replies
Overpass and Cobblestone are nowhere as CT-sided as disgusting Nuke. conservative 1.6ers gonna be conservative.
2015-03-24 09:27
4 replies
I'm sorry dude, that's not completly true. As for the de_cbblestone, #218 is right, it seems more balanced than what I though, I'm sorry... But take in consideration some random games from the last month between top teams... in nuke and overpass. de_nuke: hltv.org/?pageid=188&matchid=19330&mapid.. hltv.org/?pageid=188&matchid=19321&mapid.. hltv.org/?pageid=188&matchid=19092&mapid.. de_overpass: hltv.org/?pageid=188&matchid=19288&mapid.. hltv.org/?pageid=188&matchid=19262&mapid.. hltv.org/?pageid=188&matchid=19255&mapid.. I can't see that de_nuke is MORE CT-SIDED than de_overpass. I can't see why you call me a conservative, as I played 1.1, 1.3, 1.5, 1.6, CZ, Source and highly watch CS:GO games... Just stating that the de_nuke choice may be just "random" from the current map pool, they want to force new maps into play, removing highly played maps, leaving room for the teams to "always" show something different on the events, and that's fine for the emotional part of the viewers I guess... But for the competition, I can't see where adding randomness is alright. What they are doing is turning CS:GO into a more random game, where anyone can win, anytime. And I understand that mindset, but I can also see many negative points.
2015-03-24 10:45
3 replies
changing maps = randomness takes over? #HLTVLogic
2015-03-24 17:53
2 replies
I'll try to explain in fewer words maybe... changing maps with 15 years to new maps = randomness takes over
2015-03-24 18:19
1 reply
yay for stale map pool \ forsenW /
2015-03-25 16:09
#218
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Finland coswell
Well cobblestone, at the moment, seems to be pretty 60%-40% CT sided. It will probably change to a more CT sided map eventually. Overpass is still very CT sided, but at least T's have more room to work with with the A-bombsite additions. Still needs work though, in my opinion. Different map rotations will make teams work harder on every map, so its only a good thing to have different maps in different events. :)
2015-03-24 10:37
Hype Train is real
2015-03-24 08:02
klads
2015-03-23 20:29
not nice
2015-03-23 20:30
cool
2015-03-23 20:30
Wow
2015-03-23 20:30
Nice way to show buttlicking.
2015-03-23 20:30
3 replies
It's not like they'll ever be a Valve major, so there's really no reason for them to buttlick anyone. Whichever maps Valve pick will always be the most relevant in the scene.
2015-03-23 21:15
2 replies
you're completely right, simply is the most reasonable thing to do.
2015-03-23 23:06
+1
2015-03-23 23:15
Stupid move tbh
2015-03-23 20:30
testing...
2015-03-23 20:30
old train or keep nuke. New one is just trash imo.
2015-03-23 20:30
17 replies
+1
2015-03-23 20:56
+999
2015-03-23 21:00
++++
2015-03-23 21:02
They have to try it sooner or later. Give it a chance, after pros have played it they can be constructive so that valve can change and optimize it.
2015-03-23 21:05
3 replies
optimize Nuke then.. but, lets see.
2015-03-23 21:14
2 replies
What do you think they are doing? Just removing Nuke and never replacing it? They are removing it temporarily to do the same treatment they gave train on it.
2015-03-23 21:37
1 reply
Instead of adding the new train, which is a trash map inb4... you could add season, which is completly better than the new train for that temporary reason. But im not sure 100% about what are you talking.
2015-03-23 21:59
+ fken 1
2015-03-23 21:08
+1
2015-03-23 21:08
same story like old mirage & new mirage anyway "new mirage isnt bad like new train"
2015-03-23 21:23
5 replies
The new train it's just a shitty retarded map with that amount of textures. It seems like you are playin team fortress or something like that. I prefer something pretty simple than a casual map like the new train.
2015-03-23 21:25
4 replies
u didnt get it, i prefer old mirage, and old train(but dont like train at all in CSGO)
2015-03-23 21:28
2 replies
Oh yep, I missread
2015-03-23 21:29
1 reply
np :P
2015-03-23 21:50
+1
2015-03-23 21:50
Word
2015-03-23 21:41
I love the new train.But it's not a map for pros.It's a map to have fun with your friends
2015-03-24 08:02
#11
SLITZ | 
Sweden SLITZ
dis gonna be good
2015-03-23 20:30
THIS IS AIDS!!!
2015-03-23 20:30
1 reply
yea `?
2015-03-23 20:37
[*] nuke
2015-03-23 20:31
garbage map for scrubs
2015-03-23 20:31
Fuckers...should have given teams some time to prepare...VP is fucked now...
2015-03-23 20:31
9 replies
#21
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Portugal dracø
nah, VP were beasts in the old train. While it's true that this map is different, the basic concept remains the same.
2015-03-23 20:32
8 replies
Fucked coz VP good at nuke iz what i mean
2015-03-23 20:33
7 replies
#32
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Portugal dracø
true that. TSM, VP and NiP lost one of their best maps. In the end Fnatic and EnvyUs are the ones laughing..
2015-03-23 20:35
6 replies
NiP, NaVi and Vp lost one of their best maps when they removed old train, so...
2015-03-23 20:46
5 replies
#60
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Portugal dracø
And I was against it as well. The old train was not as good as the 1.6 version, but it was still a great map. This new train on the other hand is fucking retarded. :\
2015-03-23 20:49
3 replies
I saw a video on new train vs old and theere is way more corners to check in the interior part of the map now :/, lurkers are going to a have fucking great time now.
2015-03-23 20:54
They just need to redo the A site, B is a big improvement compared to the shit it was on old train
2015-03-23 21:45
1 reply
#168
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Portugal dracø
in terms of design I agree. But in terms of textures all the map is filled with useless junk that just fills the map and makes you lose focus :\
2015-03-23 22:20
NaVi is really bad at nuke btw. They are not practise this map at all. They must be very happy at the moment as Im as their fan. :)
2015-03-23 21:22
nice!
2015-03-23 20:31
Nice
2015-03-23 20:31
................
2015-03-23 20:31
train worst than nuke
2015-03-23 20:32
fragbite deepthroating gaben
2015-03-23 20:32
2 replies
other way around
2015-03-23 21:19
1 reply
im sure there's some reach around involved
2015-03-23 23:17
rip
2015-03-23 20:32
#24
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Hungary raffai
OLD TRAIN BEST TRAIN But fuck Valve logic. Remove Nuke because so CT sided map...But old Train really CT sided too..who cares :D
2015-03-23 20:32
I'll just [*] for nuke.
2015-03-23 20:33
retarded.
2015-03-23 20:33
#27
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Portugal dracø
Imo this is a mistake.. This version of train is casual as fuck with all the shit textures laying around.
2015-03-23 20:33
stupid move.. new train sucks rlyyyyyyyy badly
2015-03-23 20:33
rip one of the best map [*] nuke
2015-03-23 20:34
[*]Nuke
2015-03-23 20:35
retarded idea. new train is fucked up big time
2015-03-23 20:35
Nice
2015-03-23 20:35
HLTV admins Cevo was actually first to announce that they will be using the new active duty with train not fragbite.
2015-03-23 20:35
4 replies
CEVO has always made their own fucked-up map pool; they don't follow the Active Duty rotation
2015-03-23 21:07
3 replies
here is the tweet from them twitter.com/cevo/status/5790330868657561.. And its responding to the csgo_dev account so people know that it will be the new active duty not the old one
2015-03-23 21:25
i liked that, same with esea, i liked having season and cache as special maps only in NA tourneys.
2015-03-23 22:52
1 reply
Always thought it was cool they played Tuscan, even if we'll probably never see the official remake come out
2015-03-23 23:08
I think it's a good move. We can get to see Pro teams playing on it and the map will evoluate meanwhile. ANd NUke get revamp the same way Train did. Can't wait
2015-03-23 20:36
this is just fucking stupid
2015-03-23 20:37
We want old train [*] Nuke
2015-03-23 20:37
#43
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CIS Laggy
We want old train Fuck Nuke
2015-03-23 20:38
Same shit, nuke full ct, train full ct.
2015-03-23 20:38
#45
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Europe midi
rip fragbite
2015-03-23 20:38
This map looks so shit
2015-03-23 20:39
:(
2015-03-23 20:39
They should remove overpass (Its clearly less played map at recent events...). Or they should make 9 map pool (with train and season) for few months and let pro teams decide. (most BANed maps will be removed from map pool)
2015-03-23 20:40
This is good. However I wish that Valve updates Train again before its put in the active pool. It needs some more work. For us normal players it doesn't matter, you can still play any map you want in the game. However as a spectator it makes a helluva difference, alot of teams have been playing extremely well on their T side and we have seen alot of CT dominant maps becoming more neutral. A good example of this is Cache and D2 where lots of teams take more rounds on their T side then CT side. But also Inferno and Mirage. This just isn't possible Nuke, cuz of the maps layout. It isn't fun to watch and Im glad its getting replaced. I don't believe its possible to fix the map at all, the amount of work it would take the map would change so much that you can't call it Nuke no more. Its better of being replaced.
2015-03-23 20:41
6 replies
Neh you wrong, teams just dont pracc t side nuke enough. Quite easy to take over 65% of the map within the first 20sec.
2015-03-23 21:59
5 replies
Quite easy? Thats why we see so many 9-6's, 10-5's, 11-4's on T sides. If it were 'quite easy', then Nuke would have been a pretty balanced map and everyone would have enjoyed watching it and it would never been taken out of the active map pool.
2015-03-24 00:07
2 replies
I'd say 9-6 is good for any map. Me myself enjoy nuke a lot because there is so much you can do, smoke walls and fakes and so, but I would like to see the outer catwalk removed and vents less mobile for ct. A corridor for toxic or an other entrance for ramp would ofc make the map less ct. I don't mind train in the pool, but they need to work on a site, I don't see that site as a valid plant site to do smoke plays. Maybe I'm wrong and the pros will show other, but keeping cobble and replacing nuke is in my opinion stupid.
2015-03-24 13:20
1 reply
I agree with what you are saying. And I think Nuke is a blast to play. However its not that fun to watch, since the CTs win so many rounds with ease. Considering how much CSGO has grown lately and how many spectators there are watching the pro matches, Valve would want the viewing experience to be as good as possible. And to achieve that, Nuke has to go.
2015-03-24 16:30
Quite easy ? I think you have no clue about what you are saying...
2015-03-24 11:57
1 reply
I think so, last time I played nuke we won 8-7 T side. Supreme&Global
2015-03-24 20:46
Great choice, look forward to it!
2015-03-23 20:42
Well, Nuke was getting really boring to watch anyway, but I don't feel like Train is the right replacement.
2015-03-23 20:43
#52
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Sweden raveN4s[A]
cool
2015-03-23 20:45
Really want to see what pro players will do, especially because there is no skybox. Hope it won't get vetoed every match.
2015-03-23 20:46
why not season or tuscan?! much better than train. season and tuscan are balanced maps, nuke and train is not, so?!?!
2015-03-23 20:47
train sucks, but still better than fucking cobble
2015-03-23 20:47
happy to see train as really sad to see nuke out
2015-03-23 20:48
A welcome change! Nuke was easily the most boring map to watch during official matches. The new train is a lot more balanced than the old one, and will play a lot better than Nuke does now.
2015-03-23 20:48
#59
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Finland gouca
Retarded. Nuke is the only enjoyable map at the moment due to the heavy CT-sided-design. I personally queue for Nuke only in competitive, always.
2015-03-23 20:49
#61
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Austria t47ED
we should wait for some matches from top teams on the new train maybe its not so bad
2015-03-23 20:51
It's actually a very good thing, hopefully enough small tournaments make the same move, we need a lot of testing in real situations before Cologne.
2015-03-23 20:54
Fuck this shit, boycott is real.
2015-03-23 20:56
Someone was gonna have to be the first one to do it, but making it effective in such a short time period is kind of shitty. I mean, it's not a completely new map, so I'm sure everyone will do alright, but no one has played it seriously in forever and a lot more warning would have been nice. It'll be fun to see some train matches again tho.
2015-03-23 20:57
3 replies
r u srs, its barely been a week after Katowice, they have several months to prepare
2015-03-23 22:55
2 replies
I meant for Fragbite. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
2015-03-23 23:10
1 reply
Its k although i feel if leagues like fragbite dont add train then teams will just put it off.
2015-03-24 03:48
i would better to stick with old Train he looked so much better than this "sh*t" if you can call him like that, and just change some spots/points in nuke and it will be good map, just need to work with map :))
2015-03-23 20:57
I think there going to do what valve did with cobble and overpass. They will let the pros play the map and the pros will tell valve what needs to be fixed and done,
2015-03-23 20:57
sweet
2015-03-23 20:58
train good (but old train) i dont like playing new train.. and it looks way too different compared to other maps.
2015-03-23 21:00
This version of train is absolutely horrible
2015-03-23 21:01
#80
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Germany lpSykl
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2015-03-23 21:02
#82
ayaya | 
Ireland skend
good. an exciting season awaits
2015-03-23 21:03
And so it begins.
2015-03-23 21:04
why dont let them play office? pathetic decision, nothing to do with competitive play this train
2015-03-23 21:07
nice
2015-03-23 21:11
this train is shit. bring 1.6 old style train or keep nuke add tuscan finally!
2015-03-23 21:12
1 reply
+1
2015-03-23 21:16
when does fbm start?
2015-03-23 21:13
1 reply
nvm
2015-03-23 21:14
-cobblestone + train Who agrees?
2015-03-23 21:13
2 replies
I personally find cobble to be alright. It still needs some work but it got a lot better after the latest update where the map got smaller. It's also a nice change from all the "dust-style" maps. But yeah, im probably the only one who thinks this.
2015-03-23 21:19
1 reply
Agreed. I love cobble nowadays!
2015-03-23 21:34
Train was my favourit map in 1.6 so if they made a remake of 1.6 train im cool with it, the one now has to much shit going on my eyes almost hurt looking at all the things in this map
2015-03-23 21:16
#102
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Denmark jjh
all of you will just cry for a couple of weeks more and then finally get over it like you already did before, so stfu please
2015-03-23 21:16
2 replies
100% agree.
2015-03-23 21:42
This. :)
2015-03-23 22:43
2015-03-23 21:17
#105
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Lithuania crxyolo
these 2 were my favourite maps, but, im glad to see that train is arriving :D
2015-03-23 21:17
#106
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Czech Republic THE_WILLY
In the steam workshop there is, train_promod, train_ve... goes for train_shit
2015-03-23 21:18
Can we at least see some pro-teams play on the new train before everyone go crazy over how bad it is? I'm a bit worried myself about the map, but there is no harm in trying it out imo. I remember how everyone went apeshit when valve released de_mirage, now everyone loves it. Funny.
2015-03-23 21:18
interested to see how train evolves now... or if it evolves...
2015-03-23 21:18
bah!
2015-03-23 21:19
train good, but not best (tuscan best)
2015-03-23 21:19
well it'll probably take 2 majors until valve change it so its atleast somewhat competitively viable
2015-03-23 21:21
Removing nuke all together is just plain stupid. A simple fix would be enough: there needs to be more maps anyways...a mirage2 and dust3 wouldn't hurt either in the reserve map pool for now.
2015-03-23 21:24
Just add season already.
2015-03-23 21:31
Cant wait to see what they do with Nuke. IMO, Dust 2 & Inferno need a facelift as well! They both look like they belong in source. Good on Fragbite for progressing!
2015-03-23 21:35
#124
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Norway billson
Good decision. In current state train is way better than nuke. And of course season in map bool would be nice.
2015-03-23 21:36
old train its better.
2015-03-23 21:36
inb4 f0rest: "This new train is cool." And everyone stops the hate 'train' xD
2015-03-23 21:38
1 reply
+1 as long as pros dont play the map noone wants to play it
2015-03-23 21:45
buuuu, what a retarded move
2015-03-23 21:42
Great news! Been learning smokes on it already!
2015-03-23 21:45
#139
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Portugal ryndzoff
not complete yet. a lot of work to do on update to cs:go. GOGOGO
2015-03-23 21:47
Don't touch Nuke!! Replacing de_fcking_cobblestone!!
2015-03-23 21:48
Valve just want to test the new train. Otherwise it would not make any sense since they put so much time in it to remake it. I think the have to remove the details and keep the clear structure of the old train then it could be a good map i guess :)
2015-03-23 21:49
Why don't they simply add de_train without removing any map whatsoever? What is the problem with making the map pool bigger? Just change the veto system so teams would be able to veto more maps and that is it, problem solved. By doing that, we would be able to see the addition of some awesome maps like tuscan, season, etc. and consequently action on more maps, which is what valve wants in the first place.
2015-03-23 21:53
GTFO STUPID VOLVO... U INFILTRATED UR AGENTS EVERYWHERE!
2015-03-23 22:06
facepalm
2015-03-23 22:12
Just bring back old train the one from 1.6 that was actually fun and good.
2015-03-23 22:13
#BRINGBACKTHEOLDTRAIN
2015-03-23 22:15
I don't see what the problem is, people will just ban train like they always banned nuke.
2015-03-23 22:19
just copy 1.6 train and put it in CS:GO gg
2015-03-23 22:37
New Train is cool, you conservative people will get over it.
2015-03-23 22:43
old train or nuke, i wont watch this ugly map
2015-03-23 22:57
Hate it! Why would you remove a map from the map pool that is played ALOT. the queue for old_train was 4 mins.... i kinda understand why they removed it from the pool. Queue time for de_nuke is 30 seconds... why in the name of god would you remove it?!
2015-03-23 22:58
Don't like this train sad
2015-03-23 23:00
Nice !
2015-03-24 00:03
Nostradamus had foreseen. The end is near.
2015-03-24 00:14
hah, gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
2015-03-24 00:29
de_seaon >>> de_nuke >>> de_train
2015-03-24 00:55
1 reply
de_season
2015-03-24 00:56
Nuke is love, nuke is life <\3 but i hope it'll be more interesting to watch
2015-03-24 01:17
expected
2015-03-24 02:02
New train is retarded. Nuke is one of the oldest maps. It will never be deleted. New season is retarded. Add old season to map pool. Overpass is also retarded. Add tuscan and remake train to 1.6 train. 99% of csgo maps are retarded, looking like tf2. Volvo is more retarded than kids playing games on macbook.
2015-03-24 02:20
3 replies
People saying that new train looks good are more retarded than justin bieber.
2015-03-24 02:24
#217
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Finland Jiksu
I kinda like overpass now :(
2015-03-24 10:36
1 reply
overpass is 50/50. but new train. its horrible. why would volvo add it to active group. this is way too stupid.
2015-03-24 11:54
new train is so shit
2015-03-24 02:22
banned every time
2015-03-24 02:46
inb4 olofm boosts on that flying bird xD
2015-03-24 06:44
rip cs go :(
2015-03-24 07:06
can we please then get the _ce and _se maps back again? Kappa
2015-03-24 07:10
This new train = RushA=Win.map
2015-03-24 08:05
nuke is good map same as old train, new train sux, bad move !
2015-03-24 09:38
Gaben cock sucker :(
2015-03-24 09:40
#214
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United Kingdom Wessywes
Poomplex
2015-03-24 09:56
#216
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Finland Jiksu
Train sucks. Revamp nuke pls (if it really is that big of a issue).
2015-03-24 10:35
New train is F**N shit, it looks like team fortress map. And what if volvo make cs_assault as the main map ? Who cares what community think...
2015-03-24 11:09
2 replies
It's the same style as Overpass and that's a great map.
2015-03-24 11:34
1 reply
Style? Do u mean visual style, textures? May be its a good map, but: 1.In comparison with old train, new is just awful. 2.Okay, replace it with old train, but why NUKE ? Nuke is okay, its a good map, dont touch it :( Anyway, its only my opinion bro.
2015-03-24 12:00
this is good
2015-03-24 11:11
I don't really think that its good. Maybe add train, but don't remove nuke...
2015-03-24 11:42
#228
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Ukraine fallenaxe
fuck all train versions except the old one
2015-03-24 13:06
Fck off. Season and tuscan are much better maps. Sukk my nipples volvo
2015-03-24 15:27
shit ..
2015-03-24 15:28
add more maps add more vetos ? problems solved ?
2015-03-24 15:39
i never got why they didn't design train just like the 1.6/css version in the first place... train was always a nice map, ct sideded, yes, but was probably THE map where good team communication/strats payed off ...
2015-03-24 21:09
#240
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Argentina ECSBOX
Valve, can you plese add de_train2?
2015-03-26 14:08
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