CLG announce roster opening

May 8th, 2015 01:17

Counter Logic Gaming have announced that they are accepting applications for the last player position on their team.

CLG are currently on the lookout for a new fifth player after parting ways with Peter "ptr" Gurney in the aftermath of a disappointing 5th-6th place finish at the ESEA Finals.

Josh "jdm64" Marzano initially stepped in as a substitute, but for Wednesday's CEVO clash against Team Liquid CLG fielded Ace Gaming's Mohamad "mOE" Assad as their fifth player. The move paid off as CLG eased past Liquid on just two maps, the first of which by a 16-1 scoreline.


CLG accepting applications for the last place on the team 

However, the North American team have not yet made a decision on this matter, and while they are currently trying out potential North American candidates, they will be accepting applications from players from any region in the world for this position, which will allow the organisation to open up the pool of talent to choose from.

To apply for a spot on CLG's starting roster, these are the requirements that a player needs to meet:

  • Must be able to move into a gaming house in the United States
  • Good communication skills Works well with others
  • Ability to receive criticism (constructive or otherwise)
  • Flexible schedule
  • Punctual
  • High level experience in leagues (ESL, CEVO, ESEA, FaceIT) or notable LAN performances

All player applications have to be sent to and include a personal presentation and also information about previous competitive experience.

CLG's decision to accept international candidates could see yet another North American team pick European talent after Luminosity Gaming signed Swedish ace Jacob "pyth" Mourujärvi, formerly of Orbit.

United States Mohamad 'mOE' Assad
Mohamad 'mOE' Assad
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United States Peter 'ptr' Gurney
Peter 'ptr' Gurney
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Sweden Jacob 'pyth' Mourujärvi
Jacob 'pyth' Mourujärvi
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United States Josh 'jdm64' Marzano
Josh 'jdm64' Marzano
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2015-05-08 01:17
ez life
2015-05-08 01:22
now real insider info: -moe confirmed to clg, he left ACE in both leagues and he practice already with clg. -clg search for 5th in place of hazed. -clg also ll be coached by steel.
2015-05-08 01:45
Faroe Islands AdminIWasRDM 
Replace hazed? Seriously?
2015-05-08 02:05
yeah, hazed doesnt desire to commit as deep as others so they slowly seek someone extraordinary for hazed to give all together 110%
2015-05-08 02:07
GuardiaN | 
Sweden kvNr 
he's such an asshole to.
2015-05-08 04:30
what about +fifflaren?
2015-05-08 14:04
hazed online af
2015-05-08 02:54
Never ever MoE.
2015-05-08 12:41
United States criimson 
thanks bro dunno how are you getting your hands on this info so fucking quickly but thanks for the leak
2015-05-08 02:07
"-clg search for 5th in place of hazed." ROFL
2015-05-08 02:34
I mean of course you know the insider info so I don't want to argue, but hazed has mentioned on stream and on reddit the possibility of him being cut. He said that when ptr got kicked, he was being talked too also about the possibility
2015-05-08 02:51
U are good<3
2015-05-08 03:02
2015-05-08 03:39
but mOe is crap
2015-05-08 08:08
Am I the only one that has seen hazed play against Fenix?
2015-05-08 12:19
translation: "some global elite from EU come to us and make us top1 NA please!"
2015-05-08 01:24
nice flag faggot
2015-05-08 01:26
Chill out freedom
2015-05-08 01:27
Oddswayer or the american hater ? :D
2015-05-08 01:37
2015-05-08 14:57
chill out freedom was gr8 rofl chill out DEMOCRACY, theres no oil in cs
2015-05-08 17:19
how much
2015-05-08 01:26
Italy KnJ^ 
"even supremes are okay, we just need you to carry us" :>
2015-05-08 01:29
If pyth couldnt carry vs them I dont know why you think some random global would be able to do anything.
2015-05-08 01:49
2015-05-08 01:50
+1 - Exactly!
2015-05-08 02:02
pyth is supreme
2015-05-08 02:33
The only gun-round LG took on t-side (except for first 3 rounds from winning pistol) Pyth went for 2 headshoots on A. G_g round over. Now imagine another Pyth. G_g game - fl0m + any EU GE
2015-05-08 03:44
2015-05-08 09:59
2015-05-08 13:32
*silver 3
2015-05-08 13:38
*bronze 4
2015-05-08 19:05
i always said pyth is overrated but people here got pumper because of like 2 oneshots or whatever
2015-05-08 11:06
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2015-05-08 01:17
2015-05-08 01:17
I am 5th!
2015-05-08 01:18
United Kingdom OBLewis 
moE inc?
2015-05-08 01:18
is this a joke?
2015-05-08 01:18
Is it funny?
2015-05-08 01:18
2015-05-08 01:25
then it must be joke yes?
2015-05-08 01:26
ok is it a joke?
2015-05-08 01:18
KRL | 
France Omarion 
Pole Emploi cs:go
2015-05-08 01:31
Finland milA 
what year is it?
2015-05-08 01:18
2015-05-08 02:54
[*] i stole a candle , umad?
2015-05-08 03:26
No, as long as you are happy with its light :)
2015-05-08 04:14
2015-05-08 01:18
2015-05-08 01:18
Applications? What is this a fast food position?
2015-05-08 01:18
Pay is similar, hours are more
2015-05-08 06:12
This is actually a step in the right direction. It is a job, so naturally you'd have to apply like for a normal job.
2015-05-08 14:02
hahahaha wtf are they thinking
2015-05-08 01:18
oh no
2015-05-08 01:18
2015-05-08 01:18
That's so funny xD
2015-05-08 01:18
add me on steam
2015-05-08 01:18
Ability to receive criticism (constructive or otherwise) that´s low
2015-05-08 01:18
(constructive or otherwise) This part made me giggle a little bit. Constructive criticism fine, but otherwise sounds more like you might be the one to take most of the whining if someone is in a bad mood and not hiting their shots. NA egoes will be bruced :D
2015-05-08 01:52
The point is they're not looking for players that can't take criticism. In a team environment, it's rather important. It has ZERO to do with ego, except to instruct those applying to leave theirs at the door.
2015-05-08 02:05
Yeah but what does "otherwise" means? I get constructive criticism part, but otherwise kinda sound like "If you join our squad we will flame the shit out of you if we start loosing"...
2015-05-08 02:28
It's not uncommon for people to get angry and start yelling when a match isn't going the way they want it to. I'm assuming the "otherwise" part essentially means: don't get butthurt when a teammate gets understandably heated in a match.
2015-05-08 02:56
thats really stupid tho. In a true team environment there shouldn't be any of that garbage.. I mean I doubt Nip or or fnatic have any of that, but if they do I can guarantee it is minimal which in clg's case doesn't seem minimal.
2015-05-08 05:52
I'm willing to bet NiP players are more mature/more able to keep their cool than CLG players.
2015-05-14 09:58
If you know clgs league team at all this is a must.
2015-05-08 02:36
2015-05-08 01:18
hahahaha. wow. awesome. but ridiculous.
2015-05-08 01:19
small dick fodder just sent his application probably
2015-05-08 01:19
Gonna be a hard decision of finding the right guy represent the sponsors in the right way. Its between him and m0e imo.
2015-05-08 01:20
such high lvl experience
2015-05-08 01:21
ayyyy small dick
2015-05-08 01:24
CLG as an organization is always doing this shit but will pick a known player anyways.
2015-05-08 01:19
Who isn't "known" with this as a requirement, dipshit? "High level experience in leagues (ESL, CEVO, ESEA, FaceIT) or notable LAN performances"
2015-05-08 01:28
lmao thats what I was gonna reply
2015-05-08 01:52
Yeah, imo they are hoping a top player on a different EU team applies or a good player on a T2 EU team that knows that CLG salaries are higher and are willing to move for money and a high shot of getting through the groups in ESL Pro league (like pyth did).
2015-05-08 05:15
different NA* Can't edit for some reason.
2015-05-08 05:15
2015-05-08 01:20
time to spam that email lol
2015-05-08 01:20
I sent mine.
2015-05-08 01:20
2015-05-08 01:20
I see so much trolls apply that..
2015-05-08 01:20
2015-05-08 01:20
they did it always in LoL too
2015-05-08 01:20
No one cares about buttonsmashing shitgame
2015-05-08 12:31
moe for sure
2015-05-08 01:20
United States COYS 
read this as "please someone from EU apply NA AWPers suck now that skadoodle is gone"
2015-05-08 01:21
You mean signed to c9 right?????
2015-05-08 01:37
same shit...
2015-05-08 01:48
Portugal dracø 
Hello I want to join, I can talk English and eat burgers. Wtf is this? xD
2015-05-08 01:21
This ain't fucking World of Warcraft, CLG!
2015-05-08 01:21
2015-05-08 01:21
Spain akproxx 
2015-05-08 01:22
those guys really need a reality check. also really cool title "CLG announces roster opening" given the circumstances kinda along the lines "we've made out bed, now we gotta shit in it"
2015-05-08 01:22
put me in coach, I am the prodigal son, tried out for NiP, unfortunately their wage structure couldn't handle me so it didn't work out.
2015-05-08 01:23
2015-05-08 01:24
Malta WATSKy 
2015-05-08 01:23
do u accept 1v1 long only?
2015-05-08 01:23
2015-05-08 05:53
the news remember to me to sogamed times or year 1999/2000 in the first days of CS beta
2015-05-08 01:23
2015-05-08 01:23
lol, they won't pick a nonamer so i don't see the point in this..
2015-05-08 01:23
woah m8, why are you flaming me :( remember, i am a nip tryout
2015-05-08 01:24
u w0t m8
2015-05-08 01:26
U didnt saw that article?
2015-05-08 01:35
This is actually new level of Counter-Strike, they are really hiring a player.
2015-05-08 01:24
United States Bibby 
CLG xelos , CLG cozman
2015-05-08 01:24
cozman xd
2015-05-08 01:25
he, he, he
2015-05-08 01:25
NEO | 
Poland camarpl 
2015-05-08 01:24
They be dying to get some euro talents
2015-05-08 01:25
Still want to see jdm... he should apply
2015-05-08 01:25
jdm is sick, they should stick with him.
2015-05-08 01:25
There goes moE´s dream again
2015-05-08 01:26
Lmfao application ROFL
2015-05-08 01:26
ksharp inc
2015-05-08 01:26
Pick DarkJoke please
2015-05-08 01:27
couldnt get more American funny but ridiculous.
2015-05-08 01:27
bramz | 
Tunisia bramzz 
please nikolinho just go there, this is your last hope
2015-05-08 01:28
2015-05-08 07:47
Germany uRaguuu 
Kappa? No hope in the NA scene
2015-05-08 07:51
United States iwnl 
Just keep mOE D:
2015-05-08 01:28
will be cadian anyway :D
2015-05-08 01:28
Krystal would be perfect.
2015-05-08 01:29
2015-05-08 01:50
moe probably submitted a thousand applications
2015-05-08 01:30
Spain Ayrr 
2015-05-08 01:31
thats ur chance joelz
2015-05-08 01:31
"or notable LAN performances" joelz? I arent think that xdddddddddddddddddd
2015-05-08 01:46
Bulgaria npo_Nrpok 
Keyword being "or".
2015-05-08 01:48
yes but he will dodge all the lans clg go to so is basically 4v5 xddddddddddd
2015-05-08 14:37
CLG kicked their best player, now they want a new "talent" to carry their asses. RIP CLG 2014-2015
2015-05-08 01:31
You do realise ptr underperformed after his one or two good games right?
2015-05-08 01:51
suazo | 
Europe suazo 
dryen will join CLG
2015-05-08 01:31
still better than moe
2015-05-08 01:32
Been awhile since I've seen an Invite level NA team hold an open tryout.
2015-05-08 01:32
They need open tryouts because there's so many NA players to choose from. I'm joking.
2015-05-08 01:34
+jdm imo
2015-05-08 01:32
10/10 hahaha
2015-05-08 01:32
Yo CLG 9 RWS player here, Feel free to hit me up. Kappa, but no really, hit me up.
2015-05-08 01:34
+schneider inc
2015-05-08 01:34
At the end of the day...professor chaos joins
2015-05-08 01:35
fodder surely? xD
2015-05-08 01:35
I'm in Kappa
2015-05-08 01:35
Cereal, pick up moe. I get that Tarik is trying to make him sweat but you all are just fucking yourselves
2015-05-08 01:35
Im global elite im gonna apply to this also i won some lans in 1.6. I play on 50fps and i can improve. I see myself as a better player than tarik not even joking
2015-05-08 01:37
Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo 
But how difficult is that...
2015-05-08 07:45
ok, but kinda ridiculous tho :l
2015-05-08 01:38
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2015-05-08 04:56
2015-05-08 01:43
There was this South African guy that moved to Sweden. I guess he regrets that now. I didn't get it anyway. Not like people in Europe have any English mixed teams (with a few exceptions now). Oh well.
2015-05-08 01:43
yeah, what about him now?
2015-05-08 01:47
lamp | 
Russia lamp` 
he plays faceit pugs :D
2015-05-08 02:00
Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo 
RIP his life. A move to NA would've been much more logical since their level of play is much more braindead like every region that isn't EU.
2015-05-08 07:46
2015-05-08 08:57
Bulgaria npo_Nrpok 
Hello! My name is Nikolaj Kovacs and I go by the Alias "NiKo". I've been better than the entire balkan region combined for about 3 years now. Back in the day I used to beat top teams 1v5, but recently I was granted a brief time on German top team Mousesports with whom I won the ESL Frühlingsmeisterschaft and took maps off of many top teams, amongst other feats. My rank is Global e-lite and I'm looking forward to carry you to the top of NACS. Best regards, NiKo <3 ;^)
2015-05-08 01:44
translated by LEGIJA :D
2015-05-08 01:57
Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo 
I've read he doesn't speak English tho. Not that he will have to communicate since he will just go 60-0 1V5.
2015-05-08 07:48
my time to shine , DMG baby
2015-05-08 01:44
2015-05-08 01:46
potential candidates from EU - NiKO - ???? cant think of any others anyone care to add??
2015-05-08 01:48
i got this tarik wait for me brahh
2015-05-08 01:50
Europe isaimaxy4 
2015-05-08 01:50
CLG maikelele confirmed
2015-05-08 01:53
CadiaN inc , you heard it here 1º
2015-05-08 01:54
jesus murica... pls stop already
2015-05-08 01:57
onlineJ will devilery on murican lans!!!!
2015-05-08 01:59
fodder already send 2000 applications
2015-05-08 02:00
brb writing email
2015-05-08 02:05
Somewhat an advertisement to csgo communities even though they know (should) who their picking up. Seems like a popularity stunt
2015-05-08 02:05
I think if it were just a matter of skill, they'd have gone with MoE and not done this. That he may have a temper issue may be why they don't want to and wish to open it up to applicants. This seems to confirm that they don't want to settle for his attitude, hence the references to the applicants needing to be able to take criticism... which MoE may have trouble with.
2015-05-08 02:07
To all you small scrubs that dont know cs, fuck of with ur stupid comments, like >< payer. You are all of a bunch of john snows. my nigg mOE > NA ya hear mOE?
2015-05-08 02:11
im arab can i aplly i have have some good motivation skills like torturing etc
2015-05-08 02:16
CLG FalleN
2015-05-08 02:18
2015-05-08 02:18
How sad.....
2015-05-08 02:19
Now all HLTV users are going to apply ("__") ("__") ("__") ("__") ("__") ("__")("__") ("__") ("__")("__") ("__") ("__")
2015-05-08 02:20
Is it just me or is it ridiculous that they literally posted a job description and are asking people to send them resumes. I'm totally going to apply.
2015-05-08 02:23
+1 Its not like you can see their skill from a resume
2015-05-08 02:32
Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo 
They have to invest time into scrimming and playing official games with the players. They will filter out people with notable experience since the chances are much higher that they will fit in. However, I can only see this being useful for lower tier EU teams who are on their level since every NA and high tier EU player should already be on CLG's radar.
2015-05-08 07:53
mOE train more rifle and be fine for NA.
2015-05-08 02:27
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel 
nitr0, FFS!!!!!!!!!!
2015-05-08 02:32
Dosia | 
Russia cann0n 
Niko if he know english well
2015-05-08 02:38
Pick me up Hotshot
2015-05-08 02:41
Poland Mionel Lessi 
sent mine
2015-05-08 02:44
Cadian confirmed You heard it here last
2015-05-08 02:52
Please chrisj
2015-05-08 02:53
Blackpanther's comeback pls ;_;
2015-05-08 02:59
pick me plz
2015-05-08 03:02
Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo 
He played as a stand-in and then got "cut"? What.
2015-05-08 07:55
:ASD its a joke
2015-05-08 16:39
I've notable LAN performance against difficult bots. Trust me I'm next KennyS no dissapointo
2015-05-08 03:23
lol Americano strikes again xD
2015-05-08 09:50
no bro Canadia :P
2015-05-08 15:34
Blackpoison Inc
2015-05-08 03:30
He really should apply, nice chance to show his potential
2015-05-08 10:23
My thoughts exactly, good sir! :D
2015-05-08 15:09
"or otherwise" more like "if youre bothered when people call you shit repeatedly youll be kicked"
2015-05-08 03:32
United Kingdom tomtmh 
How cringe of them to ask for applications and ask for lan proven players..there's only 5 players max they would realistically pick up.
2015-05-08 04:03
Ow well. If mOE goes to CLG, I'm definitely rooting against them.
2015-05-08 04:31
How embarrassing. They know every player in the NA scene and can't find one person to stand-in for short term? This makes them look desperate. Your 15 minutes of fame are up CLG. You were the NA flavor of the month, much like C9 and iBP were in the past. Tarik, I know you're reading this, ditch the team before you end up like elevate and stay in the forever 3rd-4th place NA.
2015-05-08 04:40
2015-05-08 04:54
Damn I wanna apply.
2015-05-08 05:11
i applied for ptr, dont worry.
2015-05-08 05:14
they really should sign jdm
2015-05-08 05:15
what about professor chaos from nihilum?
2015-05-08 05:20
he SUPPOSEDLY cannot play because nihilum org is preventing him from joining CLG source:
2015-05-08 05:40
steel coach and moe 5th :D this team never succeed outside us for sure.
2015-05-08 05:20
2015-05-08 05:42
Why don't they just post at l0l
2015-05-08 05:55
isnt delpan free? LOL THIS HAS TO BE A JOKEEEE
2015-05-08 06:27
Lurppis to take his second US rodeo.
2015-05-08 06:28
look up 'wayward' total beast every game we play absolutely good enough for pro teams seriously, watch him play, its like a unknown mystic/rain when I say he's 30-bombing ang 40-bombing more often than he gets 20ish kills @ esea, im not ducking lying
2015-05-08 06:47
This would be a legitimate good idea if it wasnt so obvious they want a top eu player.
2015-05-08 06:51
They want the best player they can get from anywhere. Stop continually buying into the Euro-Centric view that the only quality product has to be European.
2015-05-08 07:36
Oh the fucking irony, America.
2015-05-08 10:03
United Kingdom tomtmh 
how is this a good idea for any na player? they say they want lan proven there's only 10 players and 5 max they would realistically get
2015-05-08 09:39
They're looking abroad, obviously
2015-05-08 10:27
High level experience in leagues (ESL, CEVO, ESEA, FaceIT) or notable LAN performances That is kind of bullshit imo, if you want to have open tryout you should dig for some new talants in the NA scene. Take a risk!
2015-05-08 07:26
2015-05-08 08:22
Yes. The current top players in NA think they all are madfraggers, need some support players.
2015-05-08 08:40
if you try out every talent out there to check how he performs, and you fail, you simply wasted your time and money
2015-05-08 10:10
If you try out two or three taletns and find a good one or maybe two, you might place top 5 next major. It's just a gamble that might or might not work. But now since the NA scene is miles behind T1 EU they should gamble imo.
2015-05-08 10:25
High level experience in leagues (ESL, CEVO, ESEA, FaceIT) or notable LAN performances They want fifflaren so +Fifflaren =D If he applies, he's in.
2015-05-08 07:49
High level experience in leagues (ESL, CEVO, ESEA, FaceIT) or notable LAN performances so basically being better than the whole clg
2015-05-08 08:41
Maybe just scrubs but they beat LDLC this past January at MLG Aspen Games 16-14. At the offline qualifiers for ESL One Katawice, they beat Titan 16-14, and also beat Gamers2 16-14.
2015-05-08 08:50
well still there is noone in US who has "notable LAN performances" that isn't miles above CLG already on CLG or banned so i just don't know what exactlx they are looking for :D
2015-05-08 10:17
Haha that was all on Ptr's back and they kicked him :D
2015-05-08 13:18
Brazil Collee 
Gamers2 tier 10 Beat ldlc/titan being carried by the player they kicked already nt tarik
2015-05-08 18:07
Brazil Collee 
+1 rofl
2015-05-08 18:04
From steels stream while pugging with Troubley, "Are you interested in moving to NA for a year, I know an organisation looking for EU talent" Obviously he said no. (Rekt top NA players with 160ping)
2015-05-08 09:06
CLG NiKo<3
2015-05-08 09:12
this is or must be a first ever a top tier team (in their region atleast) has a recruitment post like this.... cause i don't remember seeying this happen even in 2003.....
2015-05-08 09:51
Application sent. My dream is to be as toxic as possible and slowly force any NA players out of CLG. If I can pay Hiko or Thorin to say something negative about someone in CLG then that will get repeated a billion times on the internet. I can use this to leverage them out of the team. Then replace each member with UK players. Then move the gaming house to the UK. My master plan to stop everyone replying to UK people on HLTV with mean comments about our lack of a scene :(
2015-05-08 10:33
Hire him ^
2015-05-08 13:16
This is unprofessional af
2015-05-08 11:23
Can't see this as a good idea. Good luck to them riffling through the sheer mountain of applications from silvers.
2015-05-08 11:44
joelz in
2015-05-08 12:25
This is actually an interesting idea. Picking the guy wanting the most, compared to a shitty friend.
2015-05-08 12:48
Think this is joee from caz eSports chance.
2015-05-08 13:02
'Ability to receive criticism (constructive or otherwise)' he once DDoSS'd me for a week because I asked him why he threw a flash
2015-05-09 03:35
He's the hero CLG deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
2015-05-11 19:46
why bother while CLG is already top1 NA?
2015-05-08 13:09
"Ability to receive criticism (constructive or otherwise)" HAHAHA can't stop laughing! XD
2015-05-08 13:19
"ur bad" "ok :("
2015-05-08 13:22
peewee herman is available. Audition can be found here
2015-05-08 13:22
what the FUCK
2015-05-08 13:32
ok i just sent my application when will i know i am accepted?
2015-05-08 13:34
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie 
"Gaming house in USA" Well...
2015-05-08 13:37
Waiting for applications lol
2015-05-08 13:52
It's the time for Summit1g international debut. Go Summit !!! :D
2015-05-08 14:05
He makes waaaaaaay too much streaming for him to seriously think about playing as a pro. He makes AT LEAST $40k/mo. streaming (my guess).
2015-05-08 19:09
Thats more than salaries of TSM players (about 30k).
2015-05-09 04:48
nikolinho is the way to go .
2015-05-08 14:49
Greece her-1g 
cadian prolly
2015-05-08 14:50
I could see them using moe to cheat online to get them to the lans then for some reason moe can't attent and they would bring in another 5th.
2015-05-08 14:57
Poland ekedeke 
heedo from angry pandaz best clutch in the world
2015-05-08 15:47
EliGE | 
United States mehrfth 
Inb4 ShahZam
2015-05-08 17:56
Brazil Collee 
I dont see anyone so much better than jdm to join CLG, not even from EU. Maybe weber, but I don't see any other player moving to NA. Niko would be their best choice though, his aim is great
2015-05-08 17:58
sign me.. i play good.
2015-05-09 04:48
they dont want silver 2 players
2015-05-09 13:23
I bet you that MM ranks dont matter much to these guys :) - nice try @ insult tho.
2015-05-09 15:23
By such an announcement, they are trying to get their hands on a good EU player, they could have pick a big player but Kinguin fucked them up.. if not EU Player, they are gonna pick one Known NA. imo M0e_tv may be a good fit, but he rages a lot and cry.. still <3 m0e ! fanboy ? YES !
2015-05-09 13:22
All this and they will probably end up playing with CadiaN.... Yeah..
2015-05-11 19:47
2015-05-12 12:07
who the fuck would want to play with CLG, they're the worst.
2015-05-13 18:26
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