ESL ESEA Pro League finalists found

The online season is two matches from completion and the eight participants at the $250,000 ESL ESEA Pro League Finals on July 2-5 have been determined.

Following a grueling twenty-two match online season for a total of twelve teams on each continent, only two matches remain - with dignitas possibly forfeiting theirs - to finalize the season standings.

The regular season on each continent has paid out $125,000 in prize  money - for a total of $250,000 - thus meaning there's only $250,000 left for the Finals from the massive $500,000 prize purse.


pronax led his squad to a first place finish in the European division of ESL ESEA 

Below are the final standings for each continent's regular season, which shelled out idential prize purses to both the European and the North American division.

European division North American division Prize money
1. Sweden fnatic 1. United States Cloud9 $18,000
2. Poland Virtus.pro 2. Brazil Keyd Stars $16,500
3. Denmark TSM 3. United States Luminosity $15,000
4. France EnVyUs 4. United States CLG $13,500
5. Sweden NiP 5. United States Liquid $13,000
6. CIS HellRaisers 6. United States Nihilum $11,500
7. CIS Natus Vincere 7. United States eLevate $10,000
8. Denmark dignitas 8. Canada Tempo Storm $8,500
9. France Titan 9. United States affNity $7,000
10. Germany mousesports 10. United States Method $5,500
11. Germany PENTA 11. United States mouseSpaz $4,000
12. Ukraine FlipSid3 12. Canada ACE $2,500

Naturally the top four finishers from each continent have qualified for the $250,000 ESL ESEA Pro League Finals, which means the following eight teams will be on show in Cologne:

Sweden fnatic Denmark TSM Poland Virtus.pro France EnVyUs
United States Cloud9 Brazil Keyd Stars United States Luminosity United States CLG

We have previously posted the full schedule for ESL ESEA Pro League's inaugural season's finals. The prize money distribution at the Finals will be as follows:

1. $100,000
2. $60,000
3-4. $25,000
5-6. $12,500
7-8. $7,500 

As always, you can expect HLTV.org to provide you with full coverage of the ESL ESEA Pro League Finals, taking place on July 2-5 in Cologne, Germany with $250,000 up for grabs.

#1
Ukraine rim 
gl
2015-06-23 12:03
wtf. this is gon be the EU Teams in cologne? rip. :( no titan. no navi. no fun. :/
2015-06-23 12:17
#82
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Denmark U w0t m8? 
TBD
2015-06-23 12:31
lol if they dont put teams like Titan , Nip , Navi.. they wont be able to collect $250,000.. i mean.. no stickers for these teams.. + less audiance who actually want to see these teams play... = not enuf prize money haha xD they'll have to consider these teams. Stickers Contribute ALOT to the PRIZE POOL Basically..
2015-06-23 12:34
#99
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Macedonia balich 
i think navi have more fans that TSM and Envy together
2015-06-23 12:37
+1
2015-06-23 12:51
It's insane that esea puts a team like clg in the tournament instead of navi titan and nip. Not one of the na teams are even better than f3 at number 12
2015-06-23 19:12
+1 na teams cant compete vs eu
2015-06-23 20:28
good jokes..you guys think these EU teams are so good lol
2015-06-24 01:57
You're absolutely right. Na'Vi has a huge fanbase that stands firm above TSM/Envy. I think only NiP's fanbase can be compared to that, and to a lower extent VP. But even teams like LGB sell stickers like crazy, LGB's logo is immensely popular amongst youngsters.
2015-06-23 13:37
I think all of you are absolutely speculating because you have absolutely nothing to base anything of what you say on.
2015-06-23 14:04
#404
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Macedonia balich 
they were calculating obviously
2015-06-25 11:26
+1
2015-06-23 12:38
u noob, THIS ISNT A MAJOR, there are no stickers or anything, this is just a 250k tournament, the major will take place in August in Cologne
2015-06-23 12:42
ok
2015-06-23 12:44
hes right dude
2015-06-23 13:08
yea m8 it's a diffrent Tournament. We will have 2 tournaments in Cologne with 250k price
2015-06-23 13:08
yeah the 250K Prize thing confused me to take it as ESL 1 Cologne
2015-06-23 13:19
+1 10sionofficial noob
2015-06-23 13:10
SrryForMySwag mate :v.. i wrognly took it as ESL1 Cologne. just because of the prize pool and the location of the event.
2015-06-23 13:24
A major doesn't have to be sponsered by Valve or need stickers you know.
2015-06-23 13:11
#124
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Denmark U w0t m8? 
nip is already in
2015-06-23 12:55
I aren't think that ..
2015-06-23 14:07
The Stickers don't contribute to the prize pool at all dude
2015-06-23 13:03
they do. wtf. just read what the sticker capsules say m8. its clearly written on them that the this will contribute to the prize pool. :/ altho i got confused and took it as the ESL 1 Major. because both are gonna happen in Cologne and both have 250K Prize Pook
2015-06-23 13:21
The sticker money is going to the teams, not the prize pool. Oh and the sticker money is more than the actual prize pool
2015-06-23 13:55
sticker money is for the teams not the prize money.
2015-06-23 21:29
No they dont the Sticker money is only for the teams
2015-06-25 07:58
There wont be any stickers. Its not a major.
2015-06-23 13:08
This is not a major...the major is in 2 months,i agree there shouldnt be so many NA teams who are going to get destroyed,istead there should be 6 teams from europe
2015-06-23 13:18
yes. i took it wrongly as the ESL 1 Cologne Major. just because of the prizepool and the location of the events. my bad. :)
2015-06-23 13:22
there will be no stickers for this tourney, its not a major man. and what do you expect ? top 4 qualifies. thats it.
2015-06-23 14:58
they already have 250k wtf are u talking about ?
2015-06-23 15:24
wtf are you on about ? This is NOT ESL ONE COLOGNE the major. ANd they have enough money for prize money.
2015-06-23 17:16
#292
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Austria db42 
all of them could have tried more and get a better placing in the ladder, its not like they had to forfeit all those matches and now they end up standing at the place they are at currently.... navi is easily on a table with all of those teams who qualified and yet they didnt mananage to qualify (and thats coming from a huge navi fangrill aswell)
2015-06-23 18:07
#314
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United States webby1355 
This isn't for the major just the ESEA/ESL League Titan, Na'Vi, and TSM will be at the major in August
2015-06-23 18:46
"Na`Vi, Titan and dignitas's final placing are yet to be determined"
2015-06-23 16:37
eh what? the 4 best teams qualified. ofc teams like tsm and fnatic are more fun to watch than navi lol.
2015-06-23 16:56
fnatic TSM Virtus.pro EnVyUs Cloud9 Keyd Stars Luminosity CLG CLG takes out lum Keyd takes out CLG c9 takes out keyd fnatic takes out nV tsm takes out fnatic tsm takes out c9 Fnatic/VP/TSM in final3
2015-06-23 17:05
This isn't ESL Cologne the major, its ESEA ESL, a new tournament.
2015-06-23 23:07
#399
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Portugal Celito 
Dude, the group fase of major ITS like, 4 groups with 4 team . 4x4=16 and they only have 8 Teams CONFIRMED. They still need more 8 Teams. NIP and navi will get there dont worry
2015-06-24 17:25
deserved
2015-06-23 12:05
esea so easy win for VP like always tsm second
2015-06-23 13:24
How did the NA side deserve spots in the finals? Every top 8 EU teams is better than any NA team... In before another tournament ending: 1-4 EU 5-8 NA
2015-06-23 16:09
ESEA is an American league(for the most part), this entire tournament is sponsored by all of us here in America that play CS and pay for ESEA every month. We had over 700 teams competing in open this season here in America. They fronted a ton of cash to make this possible, therefor we American's get to see 4 American teams compete in this American sponsored tournament. MURICA
2015-06-23 17:31
So... having money > actual skill? Maybe that's why the NA scene is such a joke.
2015-06-23 18:18
GL
2015-06-23 12:04
#4
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Luxembourg st470 
Cloud9 Keyd Stars Luminosity CLG can actually play, but Natus Vincere not? NA has way too much slots lmao...
2015-06-23 12:09
#35
Australia PhK_ 
.
2015-06-23 12:14
#40
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Luxembourg st470 
no there arent. 4 / 4
2015-06-23 12:13
#173
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Poland dijef 
It should be 5 / 3 for EU / NA. As in other cups in the world where skill factor is considered. Lower number of spots made EU league interesting as big teams had to fight as we knew some must drop. But I doubt any of NA teams can beat EU team in the finals. Good thing is that NA has more practice now, so maybe they'll improve.
2015-06-23 13:28
#37
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Portugal krypz0n 
+131221356 what a waste
2015-06-23 12:12
Well, considering that the world is not just Europe, that's actually pretty fair. It would be better if there was an SA, Asia or Oceanic division for this, but since there isn't...
2015-06-23 12:14
Should be 6/2
2015-06-23 12:31
No, the point of this tournament structure is to give the 2 continents a 50/50 chance to win the tournament. It's not ESEA's or ESL's fault that the NA teams lack in the tactical department and have mental struggles.
2015-06-23 12:40
true, but the na teams can't compete vs the top eu teams so it's boring to watch and makes no sense having so many na teams in the same tournament..
2015-06-23 12:52
I agree, but seen from the outside as a sponsor it seems way more interesting than 9 EU teams vs 1 NA team. So i see why they have the setup they have.
2015-06-23 12:56
true, only if we had an internet that could support playing over seas :D
2015-06-23 12:59
Thats physically imposible
2015-06-23 22:27
#138
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Ukraine Tokira 
If there were 1 EU + 7 NA teams I could see 50/50 chance for NA to win the tournament.
2015-06-23 13:07
The tournament structure is clearly made to give the 2 continents a 50/50 chance to win. But as i said it's not the tournament organizers problem that the NA scene struggle. If i should throw money in a tournament, i would prefere this structure over the "13 EU teams vs 3 NA teams" structure that you properbly would like.
2015-06-23 13:25
What, like when Fnatic went to NA and crushed everything? No way they'd have a 50/50 chance. Maybe if the EU team was Flipsid3 without Simple. Maybe.
2015-06-23 16:12
May I ask you where you read that the point of the tournament is to give two continents a 50/50 chance? Because I'm pretty sure it's just because ESEA is American.
2015-06-23 16:46
It's not something i have read. Ofc the structure is how it is because ESEA have an NA league. However it would make no sense for ESEA to go and join forces with ESL, if the NA scene got less participants at the LAN finals. 4 teams from each continent tecnically makes the odds 50/50, how the NA teams performs doesn't matter in that equation.
2015-06-23 17:10
"Fair" in this context would be to have a global qualifier, which would probably result in 6-8 EU teams. "Better" is of course a different story altogether.
2015-06-23 12:40
Only Na teams that deserve a spot in the finals are C9 and KeyD stars
2015-06-23 13:19
NaVi is in the 7-9 slot somewhere, depending on their last game. NA has 4 slots, same as EU. Both orgs paid half. Don't like it? Too bad. The rules were top 4 from each side. If you wanted NaVi in, they should have come top 4.
2015-06-23 12:16
theres a diference in being top 4 EU and being top 4 NA. No hate but Na should only have 2 spots and Eu 6 spots
2015-06-23 12:29
#202
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World bigb1rd 
And with no tournaments like this that actually give a fair chance to NA teams and allow them to compete with EU and improve then there will always remain a big skill difference, which would be shit. The only way to get an even skill is for more competition and more incentive (prize money). It's a really good thing that it's 4 from both imo.
2015-06-23 14:05
#171
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Germany PhoenixD!!! 
Good esl paid the half too 4 german teams confirmend just murica logic
2015-06-23 13:25
Well EU teams win ESL tournaments and ESEA tournaments as well,so i rather have them winning 2 separate tournaments.
2015-06-23 17:18
navi are 7-9 they just played bad in the league....
2015-06-23 12:17
LMAO LMAO LMAO dude ESEA is NA organisation so they give the same amount of prize money like esl ;)))
2015-06-23 12:35
We get to watch EU play LANs every single week... so no.. its no... lol
2015-06-23 12:35
maybe because it's ESL (EU) ESEA (NA) tournament?
2015-06-23 13:10
#169
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Brazil hegium 
They just want to encourage the growth of competitive CS:GO around the world. CS won`t be bigger than other games in e-sports scene if they just care about Europe.
2015-06-23 13:24
Yea 4 slots for NA is like WTF? If NA can have 4 slots then why africa doesnt?
2015-06-24 01:19
kool
2015-06-23 12:04
#6
coswell | 
Finland coswell 
Nice! Cologne will be awesome!
2015-06-23 12:04
Should be like 6 eu teams and 2 na or just 1 na and invite aussie.
2015-06-23 12:05
+1
2015-06-23 12:10
+1
2015-06-23 12:16
Should NOT have been that way. ESEA paid half the money.
2015-06-23 12:17
Doesn't matter, No NA team can match up against any T1 EU team. No need to waste those slots with sloppy NA teams who won't even win a game against any EU team, lol.
2015-06-23 12:52
Then deal with it
2015-06-23 13:05
+1.
2015-06-23 15:19
#205
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World bigb1rd 
I expect you're correct but at least let them play first then make this judegment. The NA scene has clearly improved recently and with tournaments like this that encourage more sponsorship, more player commitment and effort etc then the NA skill level should keep improving. I'd love to see NA teams beating TSM/fnatic, they'll only do that if there is incentive and money enough for them to commit to the game fully.
2015-06-23 14:08
More sponsorship for NA teams? Organisations as Liquid and C9 are sponsored pretty well and Liquid for example haven't performed well at any event vs EU and even australian teams that don't have pretty much any chance to practise against top teams
2015-06-23 16:18
#270
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World bigb1rd 
Please name all the events that liquid have competed aginst EU at with their current roster. Regardless. You obviously think the scene should just stay purely within the established teams in EU and everyone else who isn't at their level (presumably including Tier 2/3 EU teams) should just fuck off and never get a chance to compete because they suck. I disagree and think that promoting the scene worldwide, boosting viewing figures, boosting sponsorship and the number of international events, encouraging commitment and adding incentive for players and teams to improve and not just limiting the scene and prize money to just the top6 EU teams that we see everyday is a good thing. We'll agree to disagree. I for one am looking forward to seeing how all 4 NA teams do against the best in the world.
2015-06-23 17:14
The NA scene has clearly improved? Since when? Since Fnatic was there and totally fucked up their tournament without losing a map? When even was the last NA vs EU match? Last major? That went well. Only Keyd outside groups and they ain't even NA. Some American teams are among the best paid ones and they still suck. Money-problems is just an excuse bad players come with when they can't win. FE players have used it for years. Decades even.
2015-06-23 16:34
#267
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World bigb1rd 
"since fnatic was there" - in February, really? You actually think that's still relevant now... Fucking hell... Even ESL One Katowice was at the start of march ffs and every NA team has had major roster changes since then. It's fucking obvious to anyone with any idea of how the CSGO scene works that the NA scene is stronger and with more competitive teams (Cloud9, keyD, liquid, Lum etc). Nowehere have I said that they'll rape fnatic and tsm on LAN but to deny that the scene is getting better over there just shows total ignorance and a lack of understanding of CSGO in general.
2015-06-23 17:09
Have they even played EU teams yet since those tournaments? Maybe they are better, maybe they are worse. We have nothing to compare to except other NA teams. C9 is probably better than before since they managed to beat Keyd in standings. What is it I have missed about CSGO and the NA scene lately that shows they have actually become better? Unless I missed an event (and I might have done that) there's no chance in hell you can interpret that the NA scene is better than before. Only different. The NA scene has swapped players around for fucking years and it has never worked. What's so special about this time?
2015-06-23 18:16
#412
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World bigb1rd 
Meh. Hate on the NA scene all you like but I think it's fair to say that the scene currently is stronger than it's been for a long time, if not ever: hltv.org/match/2296833-fnatic-clg-esl-es.. hltv.org/match/2296832-cloud9-envyus-esl..
2015-07-02 16:25
We have no clue how they'll do on LAN, especially the new C9. They did DECENT against TOP WORLD TEAMS as 2-week old roster. Think about that you EU fanboy. I'm not a fanboy at all, purely stating facts.
2015-06-23 19:15
bootyblasted american who can't handle that NA teams suck
2015-06-23 13:37
Should have been a global qualify so the spots are deserved. But guess Americans are scared to not have a single team
2015-06-23 14:00
Esl payed the other half, so why don't we get 4 German teams?
2015-06-23 14:02
WOW, your logic blows my mind. That makes no sense and has nothing to do with anything. We're organizing a tournament and not a talent building contest for NA.
2015-06-23 16:57
#413
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World bigb1rd 
Fortunately they seem to have built enough talent by themselves: hltv.org/match/2296832-cloud9-envyus-esl.. hltv.org/match/2296833-fnatic-clg-esl-es.. :)
2015-07-02 16:26
ESEA PAID HALF THE MONEY,AND NORMALLY EU TEAMS WIN ESEA LAN FINALS,WHATS THE BIG DEAL?
2015-06-23 17:19
NA will get destroyed
2015-06-23 12:05
CLG over Liquid, the second best team in NA, oh my god. Unfortunate Liquid woke up too late, i cri
2015-06-23 12:57
#9
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
ez 2500 for flipside
2015-06-23 12:05
#71
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
too bad they will not be invited next time with dat result
2015-06-23 12:26
#72
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
still good to get 500$ for nothing
2015-06-23 12:26
#76
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
still bad to lost invitation to next league like this cuz of bad result at previous one
2015-06-23 12:29
#80
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
they shouldn't even be in this one, invite was undeserved
2015-06-23 12:30
#86
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
true =]
2015-06-23 12:32
Yeah, maybe. But then look at the NA side. I only know the teams because of Vulcan betting and without it I'd probably only know 3-4 of them. EZ money for all of them. But now it's over since they won't win a single map in the actual tournament.
2015-06-23 16:42
n1
2015-06-23 12:05
#11
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Estonia muruw 
LUMINOSITY HYPE
2015-06-23 12:05
what happens to the last 3 teams in the groups?
2015-06-23 12:06
#15
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
i think last is insta out, and 2 play relegarion games
2015-06-23 12:07
from each group 1 team gets eliminated, 1 goes straight to the semi-finals and 2 other teams go to quarter-finals
2015-06-23 12:07
it's ridiculous that NA has the same money as EU. have you watched the standard of their matches? their teams would get annihilated if they were in EU league... EU was robbed.
2015-06-23 12:07
It is very painful see how they waste on the most importante tournament of csgo 4 slots with NA silver teams.. 6 slots EU and 2 NA ok.. but this big bullshit omg as always we will have first borring day how EU teams rape NA...
2015-06-23 12:09
The American scene paid for us to have 4 teams present. $$$$ Talks. I think that if you gave the American teams a year to adjust to EU and if they moved there and played in as many tournaments, you would be surprised with the results.
2015-06-23 17:41
#14
United States mah9 
I'm psyched. New matchups are always exciting.
2015-06-23 12:07
#16
CIS Ume 
Fnatic got this.
2015-06-23 12:07
#18
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Vietnam yolesnoobs 
rip nip
2015-06-23 12:07
Still navi Have a chance to qual?
2015-06-23 12:08
how would they have chance to qual? it's done and dusted, top 4 from both regions
2015-06-23 12:08
but do they still have a chance??? =(
2015-06-24 09:33
yes next season
2015-06-24 10:23
#20
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel 
I still can't belive that NA tier 2/3 teams get the same amount of money as the top EU teams.
2015-06-23 12:08
no surprises here
2015-06-23 12:09
so fnatic got 18k? or cloud9
2015-06-23 12:09
both...
2015-06-23 12:11
both....
2015-06-23 12:11
both
2015-06-23 12:12
both
2015-06-23 12:14
both
2015-06-23 12:15
Both
2015-06-23 12:16
#84
CIS Ume 
both
2015-06-23 12:32
None
2015-06-23 14:04
#206
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Germany rotz 
both
2015-06-23 14:09
#211
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Chile Cristoff 
BOT
2015-06-23 14:19
C'mon do it guyz! Together we're stronger! GL and HF!
2015-06-23 12:09
#27
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Russia r4jkkYNWA 
so much $ 4 shit teams from NA
2015-06-23 12:10
Luminosity and CLG instead of NiP/Navi/Titan/HR lmfao
2015-06-23 12:10
lmfao you are retarded esea na org, they gave same amount of money as ESL. TURN ON YOUR BRAINS. TY
2015-06-23 12:36
I'm seeing only one retard from Lithuania in here. GGWP, scrub
2015-06-23 12:43
you got rekt. rest in peace faggot, cs is too hard for u
2015-06-23 12:48
You're intelligence is beneath that of a retarded koala. No surprise you're living in an imaginary bubble.
2015-06-23 12:52
You're intelligence holy shit the irony I'd expect no less from a Bulgarian
2015-06-23 13:08
Oh, noes! I made a mistake, such that I see 'muricans in here do constantly on their native language. Nice stereotyping and generalizing you bellow average inbred.
2015-06-23 13:12
bellow average inbred. oh good god the ride never ends do you know why English is the lingua franca? Because our country / culture matters and yours doesn't no one abroad speaks Bulgarian because no one cares about your shit country or culture
2015-06-23 13:23
Only the biggest losers come up with the card on how their opinions hold more weight because they live in a better country. What exactly do you have to brag about from your own doing, that doesn't involve your country, a country for which you haven't done shit by the way? You're just another brainwashed puke that eats the 'murican hype on how you're the greatest in everything. And all of that false hype starts deluding you that you're relevant and above others. I was gonna offer you a cup of ignorance but then I saw you've drank the whole bottle. You're an embarrassment to your parents, especially your dad misplacing that condom. PS; The English language has nothing to do with your country since it originates from UK and UK is the reason on why it's widely spread and used. Time to go back to being a useless redneck.
2015-06-23 13:38
lmao you are from Bulgaria and you talk about REDNECKS? stfu kid
2015-06-23 18:16
You really got nothing, huh? Laughable
2015-06-23 18:20
I make ~13-14 times your country's per capita GDP in a year according to the World Bank Edit: this is according a value of 7500, other results from the CIA world factbook and elsewhere on the world bank's website list values as low as 6500 and even 4700 what do you do besides shitpost on HLTV because there are no jobs in your country I could literally buy your poor peasant eastern eurotrash family, or just offer your mother more money than your father makes in a decade to fly over here and suck my dick until I splatter her face with cum
2015-06-24 00:38
Expected answer from a complete and utter imbecile.
2015-06-24 04:46
can't argue with facts. Also can't argue with poor braindead third worlders. I work in the tech industry at a company very high up on the Fortune list. You're an unemployable mongoloid stuck in a third world country--I'm pretty sure I contribute more to my society than you. But hey, if you force your sister to flick her bean in front of a webcam maybe you'll cough up enough to afford ESEA this month to better support our NA teams You could also apply for an H1B visa and make some real money in a real country but I sincerely doubt you have any marketable skills
2015-06-24 06:18
Expected answer from a complete and utter imbecile.
2015-06-24 06:32
English is lingua franca because of British colonialism, very little to do with United States of America. Just wanted to clear that up :)
2015-06-23 14:01
If you think English is the lingua franca only because of English colonialism, why do so many people in Western Europe speak it? Did England colonize Finland? You speak English because the plurality of global media and large international companies are American
2015-06-24 00:34
Esl is a German org....
2015-06-23 14:04
please read my message one more time
2015-06-23 14:44
Esl is a German organization so according to your logic there should be 4 German teams
2015-06-23 15:39
nice, you compare a continent and a and a country. GJ
2015-06-23 16:03
the majority of ESL's userbase is not German I'd wager not even a plurality of ESL's userbase is German How exactly do you think ESEA coughs up 250k every season
2015-06-24 06:12
Where did they find them? And when did they get lost?
2015-06-23 12:10
Shit event without top 2 navi
2015-06-23 12:11
if they're top 2 how didn't they end up in top 4 then? pls... Na'Vi wins SLTV where only real opponent for them was EnVyUs and suddenly they are top 2
2015-06-23 12:13
top2 navi rofl, because they beat NV in a close bo5 in overtime. they still struggled against Gplay, f3, and G2 in the group stage, would have never happened top TSM or fnatic. and its not like they werent invited, they just didnt qualify so it's their mistake, which doesn't make this a shit event.
2015-06-23 12:13
Natus Vincere fan
2015-06-23 12:16
gplay won against envy wake up still navi is much better than mouz,flipside,hr
2015-06-23 13:11
nV is at a slump, NaVi at their peak 1 torunament where they are slightly better doesn't instantly make them better
2015-06-23 13:17
R.I.P NIP
2015-06-23 12:12
;_;
2015-06-23 12:36
#39
cArn | 
Serbia vraca 
cant wait
2015-06-23 12:13
ESEA need to stop favouritism for NA... They should have two/three slots only. And less prize money. They are turning their LAN finals into a joke.
2015-06-23 12:15
#50
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Lithuania TaigoN 
+1 4 slots for NA is a joke
2015-06-23 12:16
ESEA has been around in NA for almost 10 years... They'll continue to support the people that supported them from the start. Stop being a little baby.
2015-06-23 12:18
ESEA is an American company, founded and run by two Americans. Maybe ESL should stop showing favoritism for EU? It is a German company after all. It is within their rights to have only German teams participate. Just be happy they're not restrictive that way.
2015-06-23 12:20
You completely missed his point, he meant that no NA team can do shit against EU teams. It's just wasted money.
2015-06-23 12:55
tbh 4 german teams would be more interesting than 4 NA teams any day of the week
2015-06-23 13:51
+1 actually yes , mouz > Na .
2015-06-23 16:07
It's not ESEA who needs to change anything, it's the NA teams who need to work harder to get better. They need to work on their tactics and mental strength. NA teams are sloppy as fuck, because the organizations let them be. So clearly the organizations need to be stricter aswell.
2015-06-23 17:40
The 4 best teams in world and 4 other teams who are not on the same page.
2015-06-23 12:15
Euros going bananas because can't have privileges, are you all from Greece or what?
2015-06-23 12:15
We just want to see best against best. There's no pity spots in Olympics either.
2015-06-23 12:29
#176
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Greece hekzy 
There are no spots.. it's open for every country literally.
2015-06-23 13:35
there're actually pity spots in olympics dude :p
2015-06-23 17:12
#178
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Greece hekzy 
Ok, I've never done this before, but now you REALLY deserve it. 7-1
2015-06-23 13:35
#405
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Finland Kunumesh 
Just going to watch the semis and finals (4 european teams left), nobody in europe cares about the group play, since it is going to be just really sad to watch. But its kinda cute that amerifags are so happy about their "equality" because of ESEA money. Prepare to be destroyed noobs...
2015-06-25 13:33
Should be c9 and keyd, and then 6 EU But oh well
2015-06-23 12:15
No. ESEA is an American org, run by two American's, that put up 50% of the prize money. If ESL wanted 6 EU teams and only 2 NA (like almost all other LAN's that have any NA teams), then they should have put down 3/4 of the money, not half.
2015-06-23 12:18
So teams that can attend are decided by money now and not skill? typical american retard.
2015-06-23 12:31
Well that's how the league has been played out... Use your brain for once you little weasel. It was stated from the start yet morons like you still come here and try to slate other teams from around the globe.
2015-06-23 12:51
It shouldn't be like that. No pity spots.
2015-06-23 13:05
welcome to the wonderful world of business
2015-06-23 16:54
#62
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Russia r4jkkYNWA 
1-Fnatic 2-TSM 3-VP 4-EnVy 5-Keyd 6-C9 7-CLG 8-Luminosity VERY INTERESTING EVENT , HAHA
2015-06-23 12:21
wtf is wrong with you I'm pretty sure that keyd and c9 can challenge VP and NV also fnatic vs tsm grand final is going to be interesting
2015-06-23 12:24
#68
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Russia r4jkkYNWA 
@ I'm pretty sure that keyd and c9 can challenge VP and NV @ lmao
2015-06-23 12:24
#240
kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
Well, in the beginning of this year Keyd beat VP on Overpass at katowice. BR csgo scene is pretty young and already achieve so much. One year ago there was no pro team here.
2015-06-23 16:06
The goal for clown9 and keyD, or NA teams in generell, is to get at least 1 round or 2 lol
2015-06-23 12:39
they need to make it 16 teams and not 8
2015-06-23 12:22
Can't really understand how ppl get mad about the fact that there will be 4 teams from NA and EU, this is the thing which (hopefully) makes NA more motivated and slowly getting on EU's level. If there would always be 1-2 spots for NA at international events how would they ever get the experience etc...
2015-06-23 12:26
#87
Germany pmb  
+
2015-06-23 12:33
#209
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World bigb1rd 
Exactly, just what I've been saying to people also. I swear there are some morons on hltv who still think the scene was better when NiP were the only fulltime commited team and raped everyone and won all the money. Recently with Na'Vi, Envy, TSM, fnatic etc all battling for top spots and the NA scene improving massively the scen is SOOOOOO much more exciting than it was. I hope NA continue to get money, tournaments and sponsers until we finally see either keyD or an NA team with Ska, shroud, hiko, roca and tarik win a major.
2015-06-23 14:16
If there were only 2 spots for NA they would be competing their hardest to get a spot, which will improve their gameplay. With there being 4 spots, the top NA teams don't even have to try hard as they're near enough guaranteed a spot as the competition is just so poor.
2015-06-23 15:27
Why is NA more important than other scenes? How about 2 from NA/SA and 2 for Asia/Oceania? or more realistically 2 from NA, 1 from SA and 1 from Asia/Oceania? If we're simply going to be throwing invites at continents in order to "motivate their scenes" rather than merit, than surely that is far more fair. There is no way at all NA merits 4 places. It's not even just unfair for EU, someone like Vox is more deserving of a place than LG or CLG.
2015-06-23 19:13
#357
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North America Foxaika 
Why is EU more important than other scenes? How about 2 from EU and 2 for Asia/Oceania? Oh wait, I know why: Vox(and anyone else) isn't part of the league. They don't have the wins to contend. If they play in the league and beat those teams out, I would agree, but in this case, they haven't.
2015-06-23 21:58
#65
Brazil 1-19 
Top 15 EU > top 1 NA
2015-06-23 12:23
#70
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Russia r4jkkYNWA 
Do u mean top 20 EU ?
2015-06-23 12:26
#85
Brazil 1-19 
I think cloud9 can beat SK if HUNDEN doesn't go huge kappa.
2015-06-23 12:32
But SK isnt in top 20, so..
2015-06-23 12:40
#69
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Finland Emvi 
Well let's hope NA can put up a real show then
2015-06-23 12:25
#73
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
there are so many stupid ppl in this thread yea, navi got rekt and will not play, you gonna show better result next time cry more navifanboys
2015-06-23 12:28
+9999 stupid navi fangays crying as always
2015-06-23 12:36
NA R.A.P.E inc.
2015-06-23 12:29
1-Envy 2-Fnatic 3-4 virtus pro tsm 5-6 c9 keyd 7-8 clg lg
2015-06-23 12:29
rip flipsid3 complete trash without simple
2015-06-23 12:30
1. TSM 2. fnatic 3. EnVyUs 4. Keyd Stars 5. Virtus.Pro 6. Cloud9 7. Luminosity 8. CLG Btw, that format is pure crap.
2015-06-23 12:33
#106
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Finland Emvi 
Keyd > VP lmao
2015-06-23 12:39
#293
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Switzerland pazzo0 
i think Keyd = VP
2015-06-23 18:13
No Navi and NiP. RIP
2015-06-23 12:35
#100
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Latvia Ke]R[4u 
but luminiosity and clg, wooohooo
2015-06-23 12:37
Gonna get raped.
2015-06-23 12:41
Top 5 EU vs. NA Silvers... FFS they won't perform at all, I would be suprised if they take a map.
2015-06-23 12:35
i like watching NA teams play even if they don't now have their best players there. but 6 from EU 2 from NA would have been a bit more balanced cut imo
2015-06-23 12:54
funny to read retards comments that NA has too much places. Someone explain to these donkeys that ESEA is NA org and ESEA donated the same amount of money like ESL did.
2015-06-23 12:37
#104
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Spain akproxx 
Wasted money online groups
2015-06-23 12:39
4 NA slots while the 10th place from Europe rekt NA last ESEA LAN.
2015-06-23 12:45
-NA +Na'Vi HR\f3 NiP Titan
2015-06-23 12:45
should be 6 from EU 2 from NA
2015-06-23 12:54
watching NA getting smashed is never fun
2015-06-23 12:57
1:Fnatic 2:TSM 3-4:Keyd/NV 5-6:C9/LG 7-8:CLG/VP
2015-06-23 13:02
VP go go go
2015-06-23 13:07
#150
Vietnam hcd 
something like that I think :p EZ money 4 EU xD Dont random draw and make EU vs EU in 1st round pls ...
2015-06-23 13:11
I hope VP do well as underdog.
2015-06-23 13:06
So, has NaVi, titan or digs still has chance to attend lan finals?
2015-06-23 13:06
every1 in the EU division is as good or A LOT better than the teams that qualify from NA region, i really dont get this system
2015-06-23 13:09
From a spectator/fan point of view it does kind of suck that obviously inferior teams are given the same opportunities as teams that are better and have worked harder than them. But at the end of the day this whole tournament couldn't happen without ESEA. It is within ESEA's rights to include "their teams" in the tournament as they've invested a lot of money in it. That's just the nature of this tournament, deal with it. Also consider the influence this tournament has had on the NA scene. This whole thing is a pretty big deal. The more PROPER opportunities you give the NA teams, the better they'll become. To say it's waste of money to reward the NA teams with so much money shows that some people are incapable of seeing the bigger picture and thinking long-term.
2015-06-23 13:09
+1
2015-06-23 13:13
To say it's waste of money to reward the NA teams with so much money shows that some people are incapable of seeing the bigger picture and thinking long-term. here, HLTV children, is the result of Finland's top 1 schooling--actual comprehension and foresight the rest of you retards should concentrate and think critically until it hurts, then reread the above post and hopefully learn something
2015-06-23 13:14
#181
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Europe skelteR 
Does not change the fact that you will have 4 teams that are in top 10 and then 4 teams from top 20-30 and it takes away from the validity and entertainment of this tournament.
2015-06-23 13:40
nah NA teams just suck m8, there's nothing else to it
2015-06-23 13:43
What bigger picture ? You really think handing welfare spots to NA is gonna motivate them to play better ? Arent you a little bit naive ? If anything having 2 NA spots would actually motivate them to improve, but they wont give a fuck now that they get their free money for beating a few pug teams in online bo1 Not to mention NA already gets plenty of opportunities between mlg, cevo, gfinity, faceit, majors etc
2015-06-23 14:39
Yes, I do think that money plays a huge role in motivating players and organisations in the long run. It can be the difference breaker between a player deciding whether he should go all out, ditch his day job, and dedicate his days to improving, or deciding just to stay where he is now. More money invites more organisations. More money incentives organisations into paying greater pay for the players and taking greater risks. Money definitely plays a huge factor in making an esport scene bigger and more competitive. It's still not "easy money", at least not easy enough to encourage stagnancy
2015-06-23 16:57
l0l @ angry yuropoors don't like the choices ESEA makes? keep asking for your parents' credit cards every month and keep forking that cash over to our players in NA I feel bad for you children
2015-06-23 13:11
No NiP, Na'Vi and Titan no fun..
2015-06-23 13:13
+1
2015-06-23 14:05
no liquid for na ? rip na teams
2015-06-23 13:15
Booooriiiing
2015-06-23 13:16
RIP NIP
2015-06-23 13:17
1-2-Fnatic,VP 3-Envy 4-TSM 5-C9 6-Keyd 7-CLG 8-Luminosity TSM won't be practicing as mutch as they did due to their finals, Fnatic are on a break now so a in-form VP can challenge them, Envy are in poor shape recently, also NA teams are not even close to a challenge to EU teams.
2015-06-23 13:25
lol xD 1- fnc , 2nd envy , 3rd TSM , 4VP .
2015-06-23 16:03
Kappa
2015-06-23 17:39
#177
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El Salvador jayss 
People always whine about NA being inferior to EU, but how are they supposed to get better if they never get to play against euro teams? I like the fact both continents are on equal footing, though one Brazilian team was able to sneak in as well.
2015-06-23 13:35
Ez TSM
2015-06-23 13:41
it will be Fnatic vs CLG, VP vs Luminosity, EnVy vs KeyD and TSM vs C9 in first matches?
2015-06-23 13:42
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHA wtf are these shitty NA teams doing in such a big tournament in place for teams like NiP?
2015-06-23 13:42
#208
Barcode | 
Sweden mlns 
There's a reason why no-one has dignified you with a response. Apart from me letting you know you're a silly_swedish_fanboy
2015-06-23 14:11
he is fan of fnatic en they are already in the tour
2015-06-23 14:38
#186
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Poland camarpl 
so, are we making bets whether any of those NA teams reach top4 on LAN?
2015-06-23 13:45
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
2015-06-23 13:45
Go keyd
2015-06-23 13:49
4 seasons of 250k each, calling it 1M league
2015-06-23 13:53
It's actually 500k each season
2015-06-23 17:51
is it 2 seasons then ?
2015-06-23 17:59
Shitty teams like Luminosity and CLG playing the finals and not NiP/NaVi is a joke
2015-06-23 13:58
pyth carried LG to the finals
2015-06-23 13:59
1. Fnatic 2. TSM 3-4 VP/Envy 5-6 c9/ Keyd 7-8 Lum / CLG
2015-06-23 14:05
Im actually happy to see 4 NA teams. I like watching them playing even if theyre potentialy weaker then EU teams. :D
2015-06-23 14:10
#210
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World bigb1rd 
Yup, I'm genuinely excited to see how the new Cloud9 and also keyD do against those 4 top Eu teams. Hope they get a few map wins at least. Shame liquid didn't get in as they are stronger than CLG at the moment.
2015-06-23 14:19
iz diz M@jor ?
2015-06-23 14:30
fnatic ez
2015-06-23 14:30
i dont get it.... wasnt it a 1 million $ league?
2015-06-23 14:34
Why couldn't they make a tourney with 16 teams?, with a prize money so high it should have been no fucking problem. 8 eu teams, 4 na teams, 2 asian teams and 2 from oceania. They should start making CS GO diverse soon.
2015-06-23 14:39
But hey it's Esea involved here what do they do right? Yeah almost nothing these days!
2015-06-23 15:41
#361
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North America Foxaika 
They're not part of the league. They didn't play in the ESEA/ESL pro league. It will happen when they do.
2015-06-23 22:02
125k just for an online group stage in na, what a waste. And then boring lan finals aswell.
2015-06-23 15:13
CLG don't deserve for rekt
2015-06-23 15:15
Gl EnVy and fnatic!
2015-06-23 15:42
#229
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Sweden mr-gusse 
Kind of stupid to have as many EU/NA teams, after all the NA teams would probably not even qualify in they played the EU-qualifier. This way the LAN-finals have a lot less quality, top 8 teams EU are better than all teams in NA.
2015-06-23 15:45
In the past NA teams have beaten VP, Mouz, LGB, Epsilon(when they were good), Titan, NiP... I wouldn't just automatically say that this will be terrible.
2015-06-23 18:23
#393
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Sweden mr-gusse 
We'll see.... Place 1-4 = EU Place 5-8 = NA Will be interesting to see if NA-teams even take one map...
2015-06-24 08:02
#415
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World bigb1rd 
Taken two so far against two of the top3 teams in the world. Guess that counts as a good start at least...
2015-07-02 16:28
lol das funny 4 EU and 4 NA hahaha u funny no nip hahaha u funny no navi hahaha u funny 4 NA hahaha rofl lmao haha lolololol
2015-06-23 15:47
+1 , NiP > Na , NaVi > Na
2015-06-23 16:01
Lol from left to to right wirh the 8 esl final teams is the order i would pick from 1st place to 8th.
2015-06-23 15:48
t3 teams + dead atmosphere at esl's studio is it 'top league'? even dreamhack swe with 40k > esl
2015-06-23 15:52
VP top 2 confirmed :)
2015-06-23 15:54
ez money for fnatic or tsm
2015-06-23 16:05
#242
Ukraine bia 
No NaVi, no HR, no F3 No 100k viewers from CIS region
2015-06-23 16:09
Only 100k wtf ESL ESEA I expected a 250k final like Cologne.
2015-06-23 16:21
i too lol
2015-06-23 16:28
They are giving out 500k...
2015-06-23 18:24
Dunno why 4 teams from America is going to play LAN. It should be: 6 from Europe and 2 from NA.
2015-06-23 16:25
lol. This will be funny
2015-06-23 16:29
something is telling me that the winner will be from NA, save these words
2015-06-23 16:30
go TSM!
2015-06-23 16:30
Don't understand all the retarded comments on 4 NA and 4 EU. Its the ESL ESEA proleague, notice the esea, hence why it takes the fucking esea format which has been in use for years..
2015-06-23 16:32
4 Top EU teams and 4 Trash NA teams this is ridiculous.
2015-06-23 17:01
#266
KRIMZ | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina cmts 
NA teams are joke now , they will get rekt in every single match. old iBP was the only good NA team, but yeah they made their mistakes.
2015-06-23 17:06
na teams are trash yet they are better then i imagine to be hltv kid hype. c9 has defeated every eu team on that list and now with a more explosive roster it comes down to sean. keyd also has aton of upside they play great at lan wouldnt surprise me to see them lead for NA.
2015-06-23 17:16
I'm sorry but this spot allocation is just fucking retarded, 4 NA teams??? Should be 6 EU and 2 NA.
2015-06-23 17:18
esea anty cheat too stronk for fnatic no kappa vp top1
2015-06-23 17:19
#279
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Brazil ;---) 
Keyd will surprise No kappa
2015-06-23 17:30
wow, why not have the 8 best teams instead of 4 of the best in EU and 4 of the best in NA? It makes no sense to have worse teams have the spot just because of american sponsorships and salty tears.
2015-06-23 17:45
American money made this possible, in order to keep our support we want to see our teams play. Which is why it is 1/2 NA(ESEA) and 1/2 ESL(EU) tournament. If you don't like it you can convince the EU to come up with the money to make a tournament that only EU's can attend.
2015-06-23 17:53
NA shuffle v2 confirmed? There's no fkn way that any of these NA teams will take a single match versus these EU teams. Mayble keyd and c9 can take 1 map in bo3 but that's probably about it.
2015-06-23 17:57
#294
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United States Envsion 
Wtf is this prize money..... >Make 4th online >Grab 8th on lan >profit 21k
2015-06-23 18:14
Lol bit of a joke really if you think about it, No NiP, Titan or Na`Vi. All of whom are better than the shitty NA teams.
2015-06-23 18:27
Fun fact, all the teams you just listed have actually lost to NA teams at Majors before.
2015-06-23 18:33
How many times an american team made it out of the groups?? Oh wait....
2015-06-23 18:33
I mean C9 made it to Semi's...
2015-06-23 18:35
No they certainly did not. Not at any major. You are loosing the plot pal.
2015-06-23 18:36
You mean C9 didn't lose to Fnatic in semi's in the first major that Fnatic won?
2015-06-23 18:39
No they did not. hltv.org/?pageid=183&eventid=1270&statsf.. There is the event page. Honestly you are completely clueless.
2015-06-23 18:43
C9 = Complexity, it's the same team just with a different sponsor.... YOU are completely clueless.
2015-06-23 18:46
THEY DIDN'T GET TO THE SEMI's
2015-06-23 18:46
DO YOU KNOW THAT 3/4 place MEANS THAT THEY LOST TO FNATIC IN THE SEMI FINALS AND THAT NIP BEAT VERYGAMES IN THEIR SEMIFINALS.
2015-06-23 18:47
THEY CAME 5th U MORON.
2015-06-23 18:48
1st. Fnatic 2nd. NiP 3rd. CPH Wolves 4th. LGB 5th. COMPLEXITY Do you need glasses?
2015-06-23 18:49
Look up the actual results, those are just based off of frag ratings you retard hltv.org/news/11814-fnatic-win-dreamhack..
2015-06-23 18:51
hltv.org/?pageid=182&gameid=2 So here's the current world rankings, not one american team. Yet Cloud9 deserve to be there??? Go jump mate they are fucking dogshit and probably wont win a single map just like there last lan.
2015-06-23 18:52
Thank you for being a giant cuntbag and being incorrect. Have a nice day. I think you should just take a chill pill, and enjoy the CS. The American teams might surprise you. They have competed in the past and I believe in they have ability to step up their gameplay. And for the record, NA teams have consistently had at least 1 team who is in the top 10 in the world, typically Top5. This happens every year. Look at 2014's top 10 hltv.org/?pageid=182&statsfilter=3 ...
2015-06-23 18:59
Haha, incorrect? Tell me the last thing Cloud9 or any american team won that involved EU teams? It would be like football saying oh we are going to let these division two teams into the champions league because they deserve a chance, Get to fuck they need to earn it. And no american team has earned the right. What happened to Clown9 at there last lan, they didn't win a SINGLE map. They are a fucking tier 3 team in the EU if that, and they take other good teams spots. It's ridiculous. How am I wrong in any shape or form? What have cloud9 done in the last 3/4 majors? Not a fucking thing they have been knocked out before group stages. So yeah my point stands. They DO NOT DESERVE to be there. End of discussion.
2015-06-23 18:59
I mean, Ibuypower and cloud9 both shit all over Nip, Navi, and VP in season 16 of ESEA Lan(2014) in America. play.esea.net/index.php?s=league&d=stand..
2015-06-23 19:03
LOL. Right, I am done. ESEA lan. are you fucking kidding???? Hahahahahahaha.
2015-06-23 19:03
I mean, it's all fun and games, until I put legitimate results infront of your face and then you just laugh. If NA teams lived in EU, at least 2 of them would be top 8 and 1 of them would be top 5 guaranteed. You can talk as much shit as you want, but results don't lie. NA has competed fairly well on a consistant basis considering we play in 1/10th of the tournaments that the EU teams, play in. Not to mention you have much better practice partners.
2015-06-23 19:08
Ok, one lan where they did OK. Show me a lan THIS year, where they have placed anywhere decent? Or a tournament that any american team have won????? Also you are talking about old lineups. iBP where a really good team and I would not complain about them being there. They would deserve it. But clown9? don't be fucking stupid.
2015-06-23 19:16
I mean Kstars made it out of groups at the last major, and Clown9(as you put them) is a mashup of iBP and the old Cloud9(who beat VP, NiP, and Navi) roster. They just started playing together at the beginning of this esea season(Feb), their chemistry has been jelling and they look like they can compete, I'm just optimistic that we could have some good CS on our hands and that's all I really care about.
2015-06-23 19:32
#364
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North America Foxaika 
+1
2015-06-23 22:05
Semi's = top4 finish. Did they finish in the top 4? No they didn't. I am done with you clueless cunt.
2015-06-23 18:47
Considering most the cloud9 lineup played for complexity in the first ever major.. which fantic won, you need to follow more closely and not spout shit.
2015-06-23 18:45
It's incredible and sad at the same time that you can earn a lot more money playing a computer game than competing in a real sport
2015-06-23 18:42
Imo in this Tournament 5 EU teams 2 Na teams and 1 Ocianian team dont see why there should 4 NA teams who are going to reach 5-8 spot
2015-06-23 18:44
Really sucks that Liquid didn't make it, they are way better than CLG and are on the level of C9 and Keyd, even higher on good days. Standings should have been #1: C9 #2: kStars #3: Liquid #4: Luminosity
2015-06-23 19:02
I agree, Liquid has been a great team and has really played well the last couple weeks. It sucks to see them not getting to come, I wish they would have worked a little harder and not lost to underdogs early in the season, especially when they took maps off some really good teams last time they played internationally.(Fnatic)
2015-06-23 19:14
Shouldn't have lost to ~3 lesser skilled teams then, right? even C9 lost twice against lesser teams, eLevate and TS.
2015-06-23 19:33
we are losing titan and navi due to having some fuckin clg and lumonisity in such a huge tournament. This format is a joke and the influence of big organisations has to end. Just simply not fair
2015-06-23 19:14
these 3 NA teams are jokes.... so sad that Titan Nip and NaVi is out for these noobs...
2015-06-23 19:15
#367
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North America Foxaika 
Actually they are out because of the EU teams that made it. They should have won their division.
2015-06-23 22:26
You are a retard dude, even though i'm sure you understood his point you still say the same shit over and over... You know european teams should be allowed more spots...
2015-06-24 08:38
#406
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North America Foxaika 
I'm a retard because I am stating the truth? This is how league play works. I don't *know* that European teams should have more spots for not winning their division. I'm not sure if you follow any other sports, but that isn't how it works. Even if you can argue that a team is "better" they still have to win in their division. Tough luck if they can't(at least with no wildcard).
2015-06-25 13:42
ace doesn't deserve that money lmao
2015-06-23 19:40
Tfw when you win 4000$ for winning two games out of 22.
2015-06-23 20:51
im okey with keyd but other 3 teams ? it will be fucking slaughter na teams wont even get more that 5 rounds vs tsm or fnatic as usual
2015-06-23 21:42
Cloud9 took a map off of TSM when they played at Katowice, this roster seems to be even better.
2015-06-23 21:54
#417
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World bigb1rd 
2015-07-02 16:30
#363
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North America Foxaika 
Hilarious that people(predominately Europeans, by the look of it) don't know how leagues or divisions work.
2015-06-23 22:03
#369
Dosia | 
Russia cann0n 
RIP na on LAN
2015-06-23 22:38
why is nv fourth? they are 1-1 with tsm with the same round difference between them but a better round difference overall is it because mouse forfeited their last match against them?
2015-06-23 22:46
#373
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North America Foxaika 
If I recall correctly, it's based on head to head round differential.
2015-06-23 23:47
yes i know, tsm won 19-16 and envy won the other 16-13 so it's equal :D
2015-06-23 23:49
you're right it doesn't make any sense
2015-06-24 01:29
Guys, I dont understand why you all are so mad about the equal share of slots split btw NA and EU. It was already known and accepted by all the teams that the top 4 teams frm each continent will compete in the offline finals so what is the fuss all about now? The skill gap btw EU and NA is irrelevant here. The point of this tourney is to pit the NA elite against the EU elite, NOT to actually determine the proper world rankings. If you wanna a tourney like that, the majors are there for you. Dont you guys get it? Whether EU teams will stomp NA teams or not, that is irrelevant. And...for NA scene to improve, they need more of their teams to get international experience. How is it fair to judge the growth of their scene if they are not being given equal exposure to compete amongst the world's best?
2015-06-24 01:15
Why is everyone so mad? Who has the most viewers when it comes to these tournaments? Americans. Who is earning the most money for the advertisements and everything? Americans. Ok now shut up and deal with watching the best teams from NA and EU compete. I look forward to watching the tournament, but they will get more viewers with NA teams involved than not. Think about it
2015-06-24 02:03
#386
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North America Foxaika 
I don't even get why people are clamoring for teams outside of the league to get in. And in regards to other EU teams, they should have done better in division play. It's simple as that.
2015-06-24 04:54
#394
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Sweden mr-gusse 
Well EU Qualifier is a bit harder than the shitty NA one. Does NA even have 4 good teams? They even "imported" KeyD to even have 4 teams that could perhaps take one map against EU-teams. I'd say KeyD is NA's hope. Funny cuz they are from Brazil, NA can't produce a good team....
2015-06-24 08:38
#407
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North America Foxaika 
Doesn't matter that it's harder. Doesn't change the fact that teams in the league are the only one that matter, and that you have to win divisional play. And if you honestly think Keyd are the biggest hope, lol, you haven't been watching the games, have you?
2015-06-25 13:44
Sigh. Despite the (unusually and extremely) prideful comments from us flaggers, it's kinda obvious to all that moment the finals start, there would be ALOT of rekt and stomping going on and the 4 NA teams will most likely be placed at 5-8. It might be a e-sports and with it comes stuff like business and betting, but it's still a game, only those with real skills will win. No matter how many times the (money talks magic) happens and some teams that wouldn't have made it through the online qualifiers if all of them fought in mixed country brackets, even if they got free dosh from the bottom spots at the finals they would never really "win" or improve tbh. Some say NA needs more chances to play in tournaments with top CS:GO teams(who are all EU teams) and get more experience, but I honestly don't see much difference whether they do or not. If the NA teams needs more experience going against top EU teams, who does the top EU team need more experience against and where can they go to do that? All of those top teams in the world in EU got to those levels only playing each other and I doubt they traveled to other countries far away to get "experience", so why does NA need to specially do all that just to be able to even challenge top EU teams? It's not as if the US is a small country and they have quite a few pro teams that plays each other constantly as well(yet it doesn't seem like their levels improve, like the EU scene). They also aren't in a position like Keyd where in their country, there aren't any strong pro teams that they can constantly have matches against(or even constant leagues matches) to improve themselves. It could be because I'm not a fanboi of any team or country/scene, those comments about "why NA teams aren't as comparable in terms of skill,teamwork,strats(and pretty much anything else in regards to the game) to EU teams" sounds awfully biased and/or like excuses to me.
2015-06-24 06:20
#408
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North America Foxaika 
I like how you ignore the arrogant and silly European comments that don't understand how league/division play work, and then complain about how the already established format is wrong because the European teams they wanted to see failed to get in.
2015-06-25 13:46
Do it for the western hemisphere keyd 1.rip NA 2.Surprise EU madafakkas
2015-06-24 06:53
Can any 1 answer is this a major with new stickers that you can bet to get the coin?
2015-06-24 17:28
#403
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Brazil RisenNTC 
no it's not, you'll have to wait for cologne
2015-06-25 08:00
oki ty
2015-06-25 17:43
#418
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World bigb1rd 
Are all the angry euro children still convinced that NA won't win a single map, that none of those teams deserve to be there, that they'll all get stomped and the games will be shit? Watching CLG beat fnatic then was fucking epic. They might not win another map but all the same that's a fucking brilliant win for them. And I'm a euro, just not a pathetic little kid like most on here who only want Envy/fnatic/tsm to win everything and play every final. Diversity is good, NA scene is improving and it's waaay more exciting to have them competing and looking good than having NiP/fnatic rape everyone and win everything. The more decent teams the better for the game in general.
2015-07-02 16:34
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